Sept. 23, 2024

Tony Scott - The Last Boy Scout

Tony Scott - The Last Boy Scout
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Season 5A Film By...

Jeff and Andrew are talking football, the sharp wit of Shane Black's writing, and Bruce Willis at the height of his stardom in Tony Scott's underrated comedic action film, The Last Boy Scout! 

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Football is back, Andrew. You are based in Cleveland, the

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Giants justin town. They're leaving with a W. And now

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heading into week four, your team is one and two.

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Yeah, I mean it's the Browns. What are you gonna do?

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That's what we've come to know and love them for.

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That's why we drink here.

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Well, I gotta ask, how do you feel about Cleveland's

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chances in Week nine against LA.

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Well, ideally, as long as nobody pulls a gun on

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the field, I think will be okay.

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You know you mentioned that. When you talk about Cleveland

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versus LA, one can't help but think about the tragedy

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involving star running back Billy Cole. After halftime, he enters

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the game high on PCP, shoots and kills several Cleveland

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players before turning the gun on himself in the end

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zone on live television.

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It's hard to forget, really hard to believe even.

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Listeners. We are, of course speaking about the Cleveland Cats

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and the LA Stallions, which means we're talking about a

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film by Tony Scott, his nineteen ninety one buddy action

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comedy The Last Boy Scout You in the Air, I'm

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not on Jodan NI You can feeling over World Tennis Ride.

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Hello everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson and I'm Andrew Blakeley and

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this is a film by podcast. So The Last Boy

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Scout Andrew. I know Tony Scott has done some incredible work,

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and amazingly enough, this is one of his underrated films.

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Do you want to let the listeners know what The

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Last Boy Scout is all about?

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Once a first rate secret service agent, Joe Hallenbeck is

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now a gruff private investigator whose latest gig is protecting

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a pole dancer. When she's murdered, he begrudgingly teams up

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with her boyfriend, Jimmy Dix, an ex quarterback with a

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gambling problem. The two go after her killers, and before

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long they stumble onto a plot by well known football

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magnate to bribe federal legislators into legalizing sports gambling.

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So let's go back to nineteen eighty seven. Shane Black

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has written a dark, hard boiled action thriller about a

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washed up detective getting caught up in a case involving

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blackmail and sports gambling. And meanwhile, producer Joel Silver is

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at Fox working on a film adaptation of the nineteen

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seventy nine Roderick Thorpe novel Nothing Lasts Forever. Now, he's

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not happy with the book's title, but he loves the

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title of this unproduced Change Black screenplay, so he makes

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a deal with Black to take the screenplay's title, and

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eventually Nothing Lasts Forever becomes die.

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Hard and the best Christmas movie of all time and

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the best.

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Yeah, it's odd to know that The Last Boy Scout

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was originally titled die Hard because Joe Hallenback essentially is

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John McClean.

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Absolutely. I mean, it very much feels like Shane Black's

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Diehard as you're watching it. And this starts a trend

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for Bruce Willis of doing movies where he essentially just

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plays John McClain.

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Yeah.

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We can talk about a couple more of those later,

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but yeah, this very much feels like Dieard three.

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Yeah, And the funny thing is, you know he's kind

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of at the at the height of his star power here.

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Bruce Willis initially doesn't even want to do this because

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he says, you want me to do a movie where

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I'm trying to rescue my wife and shoot people. I

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just did that. And admittedly the script went through a

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lot of a lot of changing on set even you know,

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Shane Black has famously said he this is the most

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he's ever had to work on a script. And when

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you find out how much he makes for it, which

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we'll get to in a minute, you'll you'll be like, well,

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you know, sometimes you gotta you gotta earn that money.

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But let's uh, let's talk about this cast and crew.

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Bruce willis playing detective Joe Hallenback. Uh So Moonlighting and

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die Hard make him a star. Yeah, but he's coming

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off of Hudson Hawk right before this, which I like,

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I don't understand the hate for Hudson Hawk. What about you?

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I really do like It's not gonna make the list

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of like best movies of the nineties or anything like

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that for me, but if it were a most underrated

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Movies of the nineties, it would probably crack the top ten.

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I really do love that movie.

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Yeah, it's fun. Jack Nicholson is the top choice to

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play Joe allen Back. Huh what Joel Silver? And we're

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gonna talk a lot about jol Silver and his cocaine

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fueled antics. But how much COKEI you do in the

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day that you're like, No, it's Nicholson Nicholson is Joe

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Hallen back. Do you see Jack Nicholson this is nineteen

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ninety one. Do you see Jack Nicholson playing a character

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like this?

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Not like this, but I mean Nicholson playing a detective

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like you get Chinatown or it's also underrated sequel The

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Two Jakes. I think Nicholson can be a cool, gritty,

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dark detective. I don't know that he's still in that

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space in nineteen ninety one, though.

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Yeah, I don't think so. Love I love what honestly,

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I love what Bruce Willison is doing here because, like

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I said, this is John McClain. It's the washed up

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he's hungover like every morning, like the introduction to his character,

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he's he's he's asleep in his his buick. These kids

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are like they throw a dead scroll on him, and

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then they try and steal his watch and he pulls

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a gun on one of them. They're like eleven kids screaming.

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And just very very unfazed by waking up with a

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dead squirrel on him. That's that's impressive.

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Yeah, I mean, how bad is life when you wake

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up in your car and there's a dead animal on

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top of him?

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You're like, ah, what you know, I think fuck the

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scroll to death, you know min Off.

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Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, just I think it's it's

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a it's fascinating to see that the uh, we're introduced

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to his character and we'll be introduced to dam Wayne's characters.

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They're both just miserable. And then I think this is

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like a Shane Black thing though, I mean think about yeah,

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his Shane Black is like the king of the buddy comedy,

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the buddy cop comedy, the Detective, the Buddy Detective comped,

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you know movies. He's always no one, no one does

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this better than Shane Black.

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I think the only way you could make this more

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of a Shane Black movie is if it was set

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during Christmas. Other than that, it is the same. I mean,

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that's his his thing.

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Funny and funny. You mentioned it because this movie was

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released in December. Yeah, and I think, you know, critics

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way like a lot of people will say, because this

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is this has got a cult following now, did not

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do well at the box office. Initially, a lot of

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people said, well, this is not a Christmas movie. You know,

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you should have released it in December because it's not

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like the feel good movie and truthfully, it's la so

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we're one Santa Claus statue away from Yeah, it was.

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It took place in Christmas, and it falls into the

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Shane Black law of everything happens at Christmas time. Yeah,

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I thought this was funny. Crew members confirmed that Bruce

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Willis would show up on set in disguise and then

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ask them if they like Bruce Willis or if they

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think he's cool.

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That might be the worst thing I've ever heard.

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And you know, some thought some thought it was funny,

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some some did not think it was funny that someone

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were like, it's kind of sad, Like, I just want

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to know what is the Bruce Willis disguise? Is it

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like a sunglasses, a mustache?

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Is it?

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How elaborate is he getting?

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You know? The The only person I can think that

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would be more ridiculous is if like Arnold Schwartzenegger showed

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up and was like, hey, guys, you see this this

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big os Is he cool? This guy? Because I mean,

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Bruce Willis is such a recognizable face and voice. I

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don't know how you think you're gonna get away with

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that with your coworkers.

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You cannot get away with it.

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But he tried us that's hilarious.

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Let's talk about his co workers Damon Wayans playing disgraced

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quarterback Jimmy Dick. This is this is his breakout as

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far as film goes. SNL from eighty five to eighty six. Yep,

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he's got small but memorable roles in Beverly Hills, cop

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Roxanne Earth Girls Are Easy, you know in Living Color

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makes him a breakout star in I tellety one.

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That's what I mean. That's where I say. You know,

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that's where his real stardom came from.

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You got you got a favorite thinking back to in

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Living Color, you got a favorite character that he did.

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I mean, he did several amazing ones.

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But what's the name of the clown? I can't think

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Homie d clown, homied clown. There you go.

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That's that's where I was going, Homie declown. How me

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don't play that?

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Yeah, Homie, don't play that.

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Uh yeah.

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But it's it's an interesting transition because I think a

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lot of comedians get into the darker the more dramatic

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roles or action star. I mean, Bruce Willis obviously became

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an action star from comedy or I know Jamie Fox

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is on in Living Color, and dude's got an oscar.

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I just I really didn't buy Damon Wayne's as the

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best core back in the fake NFL. Whatever they didn't,

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You didn't, you didn't. You didn't buy him as the

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quarterback with the million dollar on the best arm in

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the National League. I think is.

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In nineteen ninety he's training with the Los Angeles Raiders

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quarterback Vince Evans to get prepared for this role, which

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I think is kind of strange because we never see

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Jimmy Dix on the field. I mean, this is ill.

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I'm gonna go ahead and call it a football movie.

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It's a detective movie, it's a noir movie, it's a comedy,

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it's a Buddy Cup movie. But it's also it's a

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football movie because we get a little bit of football,

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but he's never on the field except for when he's

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not supposed to be, when he's riding horseback and throwing

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a ball, you know, like seventy yards and hitting Chelsea

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fields right in the face. I don't know, do you

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use the train with a pro quarterback.

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I think he throws a ball twice in the movie,

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and they cut away pretty much immediately, pretty quickly. Yeah,

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point I mean, I will agree it's a football movie. Though.

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Any movie that opens with Friday Night A Great Night

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for Football by like a Hank Williams knockoff, that's a

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that's a football.

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Let's hey, let's let's show some respect that that was

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Bill Medley, the you know dirty Dancing Now of.

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Time move.

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Yeah, that guy.

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All I can think is this dude is I mean,

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admittedly a pretty catchy song. I think there has a

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line like It's party time in Cleveland. Yeah, but the

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whole opening scene is just it's a football movie. But yeah, damon,

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Wayne's could have absolutely skipped that and would have had

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no effect on the film.

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You know that you mentioned him Friday Night's a Great

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Night for Football. I do want to point out, because

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you said you can, because you called Bill Medley a

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Hank Williams junior knockoff. The initial prints of this film,

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when they're doing the testing with audiences, they didn't have

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that yet, so they were using they were using Hank

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Williams Junior, you know, his NFL Monday Night football thing

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that he was doing.

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I mean, yeah, it's clear they were just like, hey,

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we can't get the rights to that.

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So yeah, which, well, yeah, come on. So I love

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when when these movies, you know, because any given Sunday

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is another perfect example. Hey, we're gonna do a movie

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about the NFL, about the teams, about the players. Oh,

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by the way, this movie is filled with the negative

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aspects of the game. There's drugs and hookers and violence.

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You know. Then the NFL is like, nope, we're done,

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We're good, you know.

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As a Clevelander though, with this, with this film opening

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on the most cartoonish football game of all time, I

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did find it funny that they actually had like real

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football commentators, and they did mention the game is being

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played in Municipal Stadium, which is where the Brown's played,

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and that's where played right three I think ninety five,

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so like they could use a little bit, they peppered

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it in where they could.

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they're playing themselves basically. I dig it. I absolutely dig it.

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Let's talk about Joe's family, his dysfunctional family. Chelsea Field

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plays Joe's wife, Sarah.

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Yeah, I took him while I think was she and

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she was in Masters of the Universe.

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Very memorable as Tila. Yeah, it's been a minute and

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in My Guilty Pleasure from nineteen ninety seven Masters of

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the Universe starring Dolph Lungdren. Other than that, I mean

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she was like this. She was like an airline. She

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was like a flight attendant and commando in eighty five?

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And why didn't she do more? I thought she? I

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think she was a good actress.

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I mean it's hard to say she doesn't. I feel like,

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get a whole lot of time to shine in this one.

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So well, she didn't do bad. But I'm gonna tell

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you what. We'll get to Shane Black here in a minute,

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and I want to talk a little bit about the

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script that that initially was there was a lot more

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for her character to do, but then Bruce Willis and

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Joel Silver decided, now.

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We're not we're not doing all that. We're going a

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different way. But I don't know. I liked her. I mean,

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maybe overacting a little bit here and there.

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This movie's filled with overacting, though it is. They really

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in some places really leaned into the noir aspect, the melodramatic,

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and at other times when it leaned into the John

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McLain noss of it, it was all over acting.

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What'd you think of a Daniel Harris plays his daughter Darien.

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This is this is like a weird time for her

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because she's no longer the little girl from the Halloween movies,

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but she's not grown up yet. She's like, it's like

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an awkward moment for her. You know, she's like playing

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a tea. She's like fourteen. Her character's fourteen in the movie.

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She claims this is her favorite film role, and I

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think that's saying a lot because the Halloween franchise made

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her a star. I mean, she's you can't every month

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there's a you know, these cons that happen. She's there,

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and like the line is out the door to meet her,

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to get an autograph from her, get a photo with her.

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Yeah, but I mean I'm imagining a fourteen year old

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on set. I'm hanging out with Bruce Willis, with Damon

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Wayne's I'm getting to cuss a lot. Oh yeah, car

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chases and things, and she's in the thick of it.

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So like as a fourteen year old, Uh, that would

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be my jam, Like that would be my favorite experience ever.

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I liked her.

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I thought she was fun.

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Oh yeah, absolutely, and she honestly I think she holds

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her own with how much. I don't necessarily know what

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she hers and Bruce Willis's relationship felt super believable or real,

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But I don't. I don't think that's on her. I

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think she did a great job.

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Yeah, I'm a fan of her what she does in

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this one. This movie you got, you got heroes, you

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gotta have some villains. Nobel Willingham plays the Stallion's owner,

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Shelley Marcone. This is his year. He's got roles in

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Career Opportunities where he plays Jennifer Connelly's upset father. He's

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in City Slickers. I think that's probably the role I

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always think of, think of Hell yeah, yeah, well that

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and this where he's playing like a total scumbag. You know,

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he's he's like Jerry Jones. He's like evil Jerry Jones.

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Which is it much of a stretch, but.

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Yeah, he does really play that, like sinister evil up

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really well in this, like you just really want to

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punch this dude, even before I really understand the full

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way to that.

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Oh yeah, absolutely you do. And he's got some he's

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got some serious muscle he's had. It's a who's who

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of Henchman for him like Kim Coates is like a

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very young Kim Coates. Is there an uncredited James Gandolfini.

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Is in the crew?

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Yeah, I did well.

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Now I want to watch it again. Damn.

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Yeah. He no lines for James Gandalfini in this one,

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but he's uh, he's right there. And then at one hour,

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one minute, forty two seconds, the man shows up. Taylor

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Negron as Milo, his his main, his go to Henchman.

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But in my opinion, best part of this movie, absolutely

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the best part of this movie.

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He's he's one of my he's one of my all

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time favorite Henchman. If I had a top five, if

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I made a top five Henchman list, which we should

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do sometime, that's not a bad He's in my top

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five for sure.

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He's Yeah, and like you you mentioned, he doesn't get

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that much screen time. So the impact that he has,

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you know, when he's finally defeated at the end, like

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you're you're pumped about this, and it's impressive how quickly

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he was able to build up that much hate.

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Yeah, I think this is a guy. The heat check

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he brings in fast times at Richemont High, delivering Spaccula

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the Pizza. He's had that small role in Nothing but Trouble.

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He's he is hilariously repulsive in Biodome from ninety six.

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I haven't seen that one forever.

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Oh, he's so good in it, and this is like,

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this is finally he's playing against type. And he's in

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well half the movie, and he's every scene he's in,

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he's chewing it up. I love Taylor and Negron in

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this movie. He really is fantastic.

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I believe his character as this kid that was like

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bullied in high school by the cool jocks and whatnot,

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and then grew up to just be very hateful and violence.

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Like I can see that, Like he's the key to

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war trench coats to school and everybody made fun of him,

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and he grew up to just unleash all that rage

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on people.

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Yeah, and and then with this, uh, this movie wins

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a couple of awards, both from MTV, but one of

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them is like the best action scene. His villain gets

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shot multiple times, falls off of a lighting scaffold at

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the top of the stadium, and lands on top of

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helicopter blades that are spinning, and he's just like like that,

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like that Grimlin in the in the Blender, he's just

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he's all over the you know the place.

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I I love that. It's it's so over the top

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and it's beautiful.

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It is it absolutely is speaking of beautiful halle Berry

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playing the lovely Miss corret as the uh as the uh,

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the uh, the DJ says and at the she.

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Is so young in this it's it's wild to me

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that this was only you know, a few years before

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she really became a household name. Yeah, but she's just

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she seems like a kid.

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Well, think about it, she is. I mean, think about this.

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This is and this is this is absolutely her breakout year.

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She's got three movies in nineteen ninety one. She does

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she does Spike Lee's Jungle Fever. In June, she does

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the comedy Strictly Business with Tommy Davidson and a very

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young Sam Rockwell, and that comes out in November. And

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this is where, Okay, she's getting somewhere because she's like,

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she's got top billing, she's on the poster, and then

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she's got The Last Boy Scout in December. Incredible and

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especially when you think about this from nineteen ninety one

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to right now, in twenty twenty four. There's only been

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five years where she isn't in a movie on the

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big screen.

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I mean, she's she's still got it. First off, like

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she's an amazing actress, absolutely gorgeous, started young and just

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kind of kept going like obviously she's got some you know,

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I'm sure she probably won a Razzie for Catwoman here

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and there. But when she's on she's amazing.

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You know, you mentioned Catwoman and I had to. I

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actually laughed. I know, watching it, she's sitting there curled

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up with the with Jimmy Dix, you know, Damion Wains,

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and she has the actually, she has the line. If

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I was a cat I would perr.

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It's it is impossible to not think of that awful

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leather costume and terrible, terrible movie when she said that line.

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Oh man, it's it is. It's awful. But I gotta

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I gotta be honest. I don't know that she's peaked

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yet even now. Really, I don't, dude. I mean, did

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you like when you saw her what was it, John

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Wick Parabellum, Yeah, yeah, I mean now she's like she's

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ready to be an action hero and she was kicking

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ass in that movie.

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I I love that turn for her. I think, you know,

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kind of like the Charlie's Farren move where you kind

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of go from the the young hot to old badass.

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You know, what was that one that she that Charlie's

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did on on Netflix?

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Tom Blonde? Oh you're talking about Netflix?

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Yeah, the Old The Old Guard, Old Guard. Yeah, not

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an amazing movie, but she was badass in it.

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You know, she's badass and everything true.

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So I think I could I could see halle Berry

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making that move going full Liam Neeson.

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Let's talk about who's badass on the screen or behind

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the screen. Shane Black. Yeah, you and I love Shane.

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Black, of course. I yeah, you know, we were talking

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obviously about Tony Scott and Bruce Willis. But to me,

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this is a Shane Black film.

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I think you're right, this is I mean, this is

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nineteen ninety one. He has got a lot of credibility

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right now, right Yeah, I.

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Mean, he's so he's so hot going into this, Like

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I feel like you get a script from him and

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you know it's going to be egal absolutely.

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Well, let's talk about the script. You know, initially it

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was workshopped as drafts for Lethal Weapon two and die

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Hard too, which again I'll tell you. I'll tell you

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this right now. I would believe that this movie takes

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place in the same universe as the Lethal Weapon movies. However,

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and Joe brings Jimmy home, and that's when we are

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introduced to Daniel Harris's Darien character, the daughter. She's watching

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Leath the Weapon on TV. Yes, you take you cut

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that scene, you just cut a sliver of it just

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so we don't know that she's watching Leath the Weapon.

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I'm telling you this takes place in the same universe.

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I mean, if that had gone smoother, if this had

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done better in the box office, we could have had

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a what is essentially a John McClain Leith the Weapon crossover.

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How great would that be?

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I would love it?

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Well. Originally the script is much darker, way more violent.

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There was a subplot involving Milo as a director of

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snuff films.

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Damn.

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You know, like you see those back we get the

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Bruce Willis has these great flashbacks when he's a Secret

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Service agent and he's he's who's at Chelsea Noble, who

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is protecting and you know Chelsea Nobles obviously into some

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weird beating women, sex stuff. So in the original script,

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that's kind of how like the hookup initially was going

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between Shelley and Chelsea, Shelley and Senator Baynard. I think

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center Baynard because Milo was this director of snuff films

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where they were killing women. So when we talk about

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it being darker and violent, it was way darker, way violent.

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You gotta remember, Shane Black was he was coming out

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of a really heartbreaking relationship. He was in a dark place.

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He admittedly he's talked about how like two years he

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just was trying to write Joe Hallenback is Shane Black.

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He was.

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He said all he wanted to do was just smoke

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cigarettes and be miserable and read paperback novels. And a

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lot of what the character Joe Hallenback became was Shane

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Black dealing with this relationship ending.

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So yeah, I mean all of his movies have a

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dark dark you know, even the sillier ones, like I

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would say, like Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang has some pretty

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dark themes. So it's definitely just his style. But this

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is one of the darker ones, especially if you started

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adding in snuff films.

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Well, and I mentioned that Joe's wife had a more

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prominent role. It's because Milo had kidnapped her and she

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was slated to be in one of the snuff films.

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And then Joe and Jimmy have to go save he

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and not just savor they had to save her from

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a chainsaw death. She was in the original script, she

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was going to be murdered with the chainsaw until they

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get there to save her, and you know, and yeah,

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so it went dark. But uh, and when he finally

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sold this script, he became the first writer to sell

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a specscript for one million dollars, which ended up being

470
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:49.480
one point seventy five million. WHOA, that's a lot of money.

471
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.160
I mean, I was gonna say, hey, Shane, it's probably

472
00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.319
easier to go to therapy, But therapy isn't going to

473
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:55.759
pay you one point seventy five million.

474
00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.319
No, it's And surprisingly he turned down a a two

475
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:05.799
point two five million dollar offer from Coroco Pictures just

476
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:06.920
so he could work with Joel Silver.

477
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:10.160
Again, that's wild, especially given the way that I know

478
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:13.200
that their relationship plays out. But between the two of

479
00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:15.839
them and Bruce Willis and Antoni Ski. Oh yeah, so

480
00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:17.519
I'm sure here rets that decision.

481
00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:19.680
Now, Yeah, we're gonna get to that because this is

482
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:21.680
this is a situation where everyone hates everyone. But uh

483
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:24.240
oh yeah, I got I got an interesting quote here

484
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:29.720
from Shane Black about this. He says, quote, I was

485
00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:33.240
busy mourning my life and in many ways the loss

486
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:35.960
of my first real love. I didn't feel much like

487
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:40.400
doing anything except smoking cigarettes and reading paperbacks. All things

488
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:43.759
come around. Time passed, and eventually I sat down and

489
00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:47.519
transformed some of that bitterness into a character, the central

490
00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:50.599
focus of a Private Eye story, which became the Last

491
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:54.440
Boy Scout. Writing that script was a very cathartic experience,

492
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:58.000
one of the best experiences I've ever had. I spent

493
00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:01.279
so much time alone working on that days which I

494
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:05.160
wouldn't speak three four days where I maybe said a

495
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.599
couple of words. It was a wonderfully intense time where

496
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.400
my focus was better than it's ever been, and I

497
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.400
was rewarded so handsomely for that script. It felt like

498
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:17.039
a vindication and like I was back on track.

499
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:21.160
I mean, I'm gonna say it again, Shane. Maybe try therapy,

500
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:22.960
but that's that's dark.

501
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:26.720
Maybe, yeah, just talk to someone, Yeah, just a bit.

502
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.200
I'll tell you what, Andrew. Let's take a let's take

503
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:31.839
a quick break. And when we get back, I definitely

504
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:33.680
want to talk about some of the the on set

505
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:41.359
tension that this movie's famous for. Welcome Back. We're talking

506
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.599
about Tony Scott's the last Boy Scout. Things always don't

507
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:48.599
go smoothly behind the camera.

508
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:50.839
Andrew, Yeah, very true.

509
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:53.000
Well, I know there's a lot to I know there's

510
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.960
a lot to go over here, but uh, you know,

511
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.799
we'll we'll try and condense it a little bit. Tony

512
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.119
Scott hated working with Joel who was said to be

513
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:03.319
very intrusive on set.

514
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.440
Yeah, and he apparently he was. He was so bad

515
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.680
and so coked out and so domineering that the character

516
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:16.119
of Lee, the the coked out producer in his next film,

517
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:20.319
True Romance, is specifically based on Joel Silver. So every

518
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:22.839
time you're you see True Romance and you see this

519
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.079
absolutely Bonker's character that is specifically.

520
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.400
Yeah, that That's what I was dealing with on this

521
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:33.759
was who is at the Saul Rubinek who plays Lee Donowitz. Yep,

522
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:37.079
He's one of my favorite parts of True Romance because

523
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.240
I love True Rants one of my all time favorite movies. Yeah,

524
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:43.960
I love that film and the fact that that Tony

525
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:47.000
Scott goes out of his way to cast someone to

526
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:51.200
look and sound and act like Joel Silver, just so

527
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:53.720
all of Hollywood is in on the joke. Yeah, I

528
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:57.400
think that's that's amazing, man, that's absolutely amazing. Yeah, Tony

529
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.400
Scott said, you know, this production was miserable because Silver

530
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:04.039
and Willis took over. They altered the script, even made

531
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:07.240
him shoot scenes that he didn't want to do under

532
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:08.079
threat of being fired.

533
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.559
Yeah. And I think there's a couple of places it

534
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.200
shows up in here because this movie is written so sharp.

535
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.559
You know, it's got that classic Shane Black dialogue. There

536
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.720
are a couple of times where Bruce Willis like it

537
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:21.519
almost feels like he looks at the camera and like

538
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:23.519
smirks and tries to say a one liner and it

539
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:26.240
very much feels like Bruce Willis, which also been like, hey,

540
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.400
this is a time for like another upka motherfucker, Like

541
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:32.160
try to slide this one in and it feels out

542
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:33.640
of place. You can feel them trying to force that

543
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:34.559
character a little bit.

544
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:37.039
There's You're absolutely right, there's a couple of moments where

545
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.799
I'm like, that's that's not Shane Black, Yeah talking, that's

546
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.799
that's not that's that's that's a that's so and audible.

547
00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.079
Given what you've said about Bruce Willis on set. You know,

548
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:49.720
I think that makes a lot of sense that he

549
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:52.720
he's trying to build this image, this this action star

550
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.400
image that he's still super unsure about.

551
00:28:55.960 --> 00:29:00.960
Yeah, I get it. Uh, ironic. Ironically. Joel Silver is

552
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.079
also on record as saying the making of this film

553
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.640
was one of the worst experiences of his life, but

554
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.640
he doesn't go into detail. Yeah, and I know, I

555
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:11.720
don't know, I don't know about that.

556
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.000
This caused a rift between between them as well, because

557
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.880
I think this Hudson Hawk die Hard too, you know,

558
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.240
back to back to back, and they stopped working together. Yeah,

559
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:27.000
you're right, die Hard Films. Yeah, I don't think Pricepo

560
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:28.599
has worked with Joe Silver again after this.

561
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.880
Well, I I think I've got a quote here from

562
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.240
the The A D James Scott Stopel and I you know,

563
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:38.759
this is a this is a guy who is not

564
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.799
at the height of his popularity or his power, and

565
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:43.839
I think he you know, sometimes you have to go

566
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:50.519
with the outside perspective here, James said, he's talking, you know,

567
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:52.519
he's talking about an interview. He's talking about the production

568
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.519
problems he said that were caused due to quote the

569
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:01.359
over abundance of alpha males on the project. Bruce was yeah,

570
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:03.480
he says. Bruce was at the height of his stardom.

571
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.440
So was Joel, so was Tony, and so is Shane.

572
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:08.440
There were a lot of people who had a lot

573
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.440
of opinions about what to do. There were some heated

574
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.720
early nineties testosterone charge personalities on the line. It was

575
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:17.759
a charged environment, shall.

576
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.079
We say, yeah? And I mean they all had power

577
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:22.440
in that situation too. I mean it sounds like, you know,

578
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.519
from the stories I've heard, Shane kind of got strong

579
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:26.519
armed because it was sort of like a we own

580
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:28.400
the script, we can get you out of here. But

581
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.200
I mean, they all had big names, they all had

582
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:32.759
a dog in the fight.

583
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.000
Meant you gotta say, like, you know, if your writer

584
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:39.359
is not making the necessary changes you want, you're you're

585
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:41.640
kind of firing back at him and going, I just

586
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.279
gave you one point seventy five million dollars write whatever

587
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.720
I say. You know, yeah, for sure, But I mean

588
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.359
everyone everyone's got you know, I feel like everyone's got

589
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:54.160
a reason to stand their ground. And you know, when

590
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:57.480
you've got that many alpha males, you know that it's

591
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.279
not gonna work. It's it's just not true.

592
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:01.880
And I think we it's very easy for us to

593
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:03.839
look back with the benefit of hindsight and say, hey,

594
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:06.079
it's Tony Scott and Shane Black. Trust them and just

595
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.599
do what they say. They make good shit. In the moment,

596
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:10.799
I'm sure that that wasn't an easy thing to see.

597
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.640
Oh no, no, And I don't think Joel Silver is

598
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:15.799
giving up an inch of ground whatsoever.

599
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:18.000
So yeah, I'm fine writing him off. You know, I

600
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.160
don't want to lose Willis. I'm fine kicking Joel Silver

601
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:21.319
out of the room. That's fine by me.

602
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:28.559
Yeah, Yeah, save Bruce. Another situation here, Following several hired

603
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:32.839
and fired editors, Warner Brothers finally called Stuart Baird to

604
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.279
do a re edit to tone down the violence because

605
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.039
this has got an NC seventeen rating at this point.

606
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.200
They bring him in because they want to they want

607
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:42.519
to cut a lot of the violence. They want to

608
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.839
make a coherent cut of the film, and he had

609
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.640
done something very similar for them on Tango and Cash

610
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:49.480
in nineteen eighty nine.

611
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:54.880
Yep. Yeah, I remember reading him right talking about this

612
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.680
and basically said he was handed was a mess. It

613
00:31:57.839 --> 00:31:59.759
was not a He didn't just cut out some of

614
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.400
the islands, he completely re edited the whole thing.

615
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.759
I can't imagine how how difficult that be when you're

616
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:08.559
you're showing up the last minute to try and fix something,

617
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.759
and then they're like, here's the whole mess, and we

618
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:11.720
don't know what to do with it.

619
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.119
Editors do not get enough credit when it comes to

620
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.279
the amount of times I've heard a story that like

621
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.000
this movie was a disaster, even great, Like I've heard

622
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:21.839
this about Star Wars that was handed to somebody and

623
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.799
they were like, this is unintelligible. We've got to start

624
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.480
from scratch and produce gold out of it. It's editors

625
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:29.519
do not get enough credit.

626
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:35.079
No, absolutely, they don't. A couple of fun things, you know,

627
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.160
you kind of mentioned a shared universe with this and

628
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:41.519
Die Hard. Yeah, the police station that Jimmy picks Joe

629
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.680
up from is the exact same one used in Beverly

630
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:45.279
Hills Cop two.

631
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.240
You know what. I was literally sitting there watching It's like,

632
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:49.480
this feels familiar, but it.

633
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.480
Doesn't feel Yeah, have we been here. We've been here before,

634
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:56.160
right this this office looks very familiar, you know, And

635
00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:01.160
obviously Tony Scott directed that another fun one. The scene

636
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.319
showing Shelley's house exploding is the exact same explosion they

637
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:06.519
used in Last Action Hero.

638
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.720
Interesting. I mean, I guess, you know, CG and whatnot

639
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:13.119
was still still years away.

640
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.759
So yeah, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna sell off

641
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:21.920
some some blockbuster moments. Right. Yeah, here's something I'm watching

642
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.640
this recently and it's been it's been a while, and

643
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:28.960
I thought, wow, is Shane Black just way ahead of

644
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.200
his time. This whole movie hinges on the idea of

645
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:36.400
legalizing gambling like sports betting. This is nineteen ninety one

646
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:41.920
when it's obviously very illegal, can't have it, can't do it.

647
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:45.480
And think about today, We've got DraftKings. It's everywhere.

648
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:47.920
Yeah, but a part of the part of the game.

649
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:50.119
I mean, if you're gonna say he's way ahead of

650
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.759
his time, let's also talk about the fact that it

651
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:54.839
is a common theme in this movie where they say

652
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.359
free agency is gonna ruin football and kill football, and

653
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.079
that is true. It's still the biggest thing in the

654
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.079
entire country. I mean, it passed baseball, you know what

655
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:03.359
I mean.

656
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:07.519
So hey, listen, I I had the cop who who

657
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:11.639
yells at Jimmy. Free agents ruined the game. Think about this.

658
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.079
We're living a world right now where Jerry Jones just

659
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.800
paid Ceedee Lamb one hundred and thirty six million dollars

660
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:19.159
for a four year contract.

661
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:23.480
Look, I get it. We still have to deal with

662
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:27.599
Deshaun Watson for another couple of years, which, yeah, you decision, yeah,

663
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.000
could have made I hate it, So come on, Cleveland.

664
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:33.400
I don't even like rooting for my team right now.

665
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:37.400
But the idea that like and maybe this is you know,

666
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.280
we've talked about our age difference in the past. I

667
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.639
don't really remember a time before free agency, so it

668
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:44.559
just seems silly to me that they're talking about how

669
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:46.360
this is like the end of football as we know it,

670
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.280
and it's like, that's yeah, it's fine, man, Football is

671
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:50.280
the same as it always was.

672
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:55.639
Before this becomes an ESPN podcast. Let's let's let's flip

673
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.719
back to the movie. Let's talk about the pivotal scene,

674
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:03.360
because there's one for me. I can't think of anything

675
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:08.079
more pivotal to the misery of these characters, to the heartbreak.

676
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.039
I'm talking about Jimmy telling Joe about the deaths of

677
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:14.079
his wife and infant son. I mean that, Yeah, that

678
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:15.760
breaks your heart, right.

679
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.920
It really does. Yeah, I mean it's I'll tell you

680
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:21.880
I was. I was impressed with what Damon Wayne's was

681
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.000
able to do in that scene, because you know, he's

682
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.719
a bit of a cartoon character up to this point.

683
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:30.159
He's over the top, you know, yea coked out former NFL,

684
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:33.880
fake NFL player, and he really carried a lot of weight.

685
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.159
It's just it felt a little weird to me because

686
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:39.440
of how silly this movie has been up to this point,

687
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.199
you know, the shooting, the C four and the trunk

688
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.400
and the I mean, honestly, the opening scene he talked

689
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:47.639
about guy pulling a gun just in the middle of

690
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.559
a football game. It just felt very cartoonish. So this

691
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.480
felt like a little out of left field for me,

692
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.119
but it absolutely grounded it again. It kind of brought

693
00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:58.960
you back in, like, oh, these are characters, they have

694
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.440
feelings like you should actually care a little bit.

695
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.280
I have to believe that this is one of the

696
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.800
you know, when we talk about the darker violent script

697
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:08.000
that he initially wrote, this is one of those things

698
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.159
where they're like, you're not cutting this part because and

699
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.599
I love the writing too, because we get yeah, we

700
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.880
get a little. He's planting seeds throughout the movie. You know,

701
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.039
every time he's drinking, he's he's cheering. He's like toasting

702
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.039
Alex to Alex the astronaut, to Alex the accountant, and

703
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:24.960
you're like, who the hell is Alex? And to get

704
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.960
this backstory about him having the game of his life,

705
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.639
I think in Miami he throws for three hundred yards

706
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.119
and meanwhile, back in La his wife is hit by

707
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:40.320
a truck, killed instantly. His baby lives for like seventeen

708
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.320
minutes on life support. The writing here is phenomenal. Shadeli's

709
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:49.639
writing is It'll break your heart and you're Damon Wayans.

710
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:53.840
The emoting he does with his eyes, just his facial

711
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.280
expressions that it blows it blows you.

712
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:59.840
Away, and it does help, I think, because up to

713
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.679
this point, part of you is like, Okay, why is

714
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.000
Dana Wayne's like so invested in this, Like why isn't

715
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.199
he just like saying the cops can do it? And

716
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.280
that kind of gives you that he he's been through,

717
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:12.800
like he's experienced real loss before he actually can do

718
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:14.280
something about this, you know what I mean, he can,

719
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:15.840
he can help, he can do something, And I get

720
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.360
that it definitely motivates his character. But yeah, it's it's

721
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.559
dark man that when he says that Alex fell asleep

722
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:28.000
and had enough time for one dream. Oh yeah, God dude,

723
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:30.280
that that killed me a little bit.

724
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.440
And so that's that's harsh. I mean, I you know, yeah,

725
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.159
great moment for sure, Wance and this and this one.

726
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:40.920
Do you have anything that uh competes with that one

727
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:42.320
for most pivotal Uh?

728
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:44.599
Yeah, I would say that's definitely probably the most emotional scene.

729
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.400
But for me, the pivotal one, the one that really

730
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:48.760
like got turned this movie up a notch was uh

731
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.960
after how in Beck briuce Wellis's character is framed for

732
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:56.119
murder of a cop, and the cops bring in Jimmy Dix.

733
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.199
They bring his family and his wife who has been

734
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.239
cheating on him, who they are in a bad as

735
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:03.239
bad a spot as they can be, and Jimmy DICKX,

736
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:05.559
who he just punched in the face and kicked out

737
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:09.239
of his house, are both like screw you guys, like

738
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:11.199
he wouldn't do this, Like absolutely not.

739
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:12.000
Oh good moment.

740
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.400
Yeah, they have the idea they're being questioned when they

741
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:19.039
have every reason to hate Allend Becker. Still both like, no,

742
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.119
he's not bad, Like you're wrong, fuck you. And I

743
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.000
love that because it really says something about both fair

744
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.480
characters and their relationship with him. And I think like

745
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.760
that kind of takes it up because then immediately from there,

746
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:35.960
that's when Jimmy Dix tells Uh tells Darien that like, hey,

747
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.440
I'm gonna go find your dad and gets out of there,

748
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.000
and that like really kicks off the final Yeah.

749
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:43.639
I mean, let's let's be honest. Halen Back is not

750
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.239
a ray of sunshine. He's not the most likable character

751
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:47.519
that Bruce Willis has ever played.

752
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.199
Yeah, even when the Last Boy Scout is a little sarcastic.

753
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.400
Yeah, which I love the fact that when she hands

754
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:58.800
him uh that that pro card to sign and he

755
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.880
signs it to the of the Last Boy Scout, Jimmy Dix,

756
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.360
I was like, that's all, Like, that's something I would

757
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:06.400
want from like the set, you know, if I could

758
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:10.039
get that card. No, I'd want that framed. Yeah, that'd

759
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.360
be a cool one to have. Andrew, Let's take one

760
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.960
more break and then I want to talk Tony Scott

761
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:23.159
with you. Hell yeah, welcome back. It's time to talk

762
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:26.559
a little bit about Tony Scott. I'm going to point out,

763
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:30.000
Andrew we this is not our first time talking about

764
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.800
Tony Scott. We actually did an episode on his film Revenge,

765
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:39.480
which probably his maybe his most underrated work, and if

766
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.760
you haven't seen it, the film is phenomenal. It's Kevin Prime,

767
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:50.880
Kevin Costner, Madeline Snow, Anthony Quinn. It's romantic, it's tragic,

768
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:55.039
it's action packed, it's tense, it's There's so much I

769
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:58.960
could say about Revenge. I've said it already, though, if listeners,

770
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.880
if you have not listened to our episode on Tony

771
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:04.719
Scott's Revenge, go back. I want to say it's like

772
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.960
the second season. We're a lot more youngers, a lot

773
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.039
more inexperience, so you know, forgive us that, But at

774
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:16.559
any rate, Tony Scott something you you would appreciate about

775
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:20.679
this man. He was an avid mountain climber. That's awesome,

776
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.239
very awesome, right, Surprisingly to me, I didn't know this,

777
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:28.920
and we've covered this movie. He was set to direct

778
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:33.679
the nineteen eighty four classic Starman Oh until critics seen

779
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:37.480
his debut film The Hunger from nineteen eighty three, and

780
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.199
basically everyone in Hollywood just decided this guy's done, and

781
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.960
they buried him overnight. He even famously has said that

782
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:46.960
Warner Brothers saw a cut of the film and his

783
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:48.639
parking spot was painted over the next day.

784
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:50.840
Damn.

785
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.639
Yeah, and I'll you know, the hunger.

786
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:55.920
It's not great.

787
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.840
No, it's not great. But is it is? It kicked

788
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.239
this guy to Hollywood bed. No, it's not so.

789
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:05.679
I mean, hey, I'm glad he powered through because we

790
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.519
got some genuinely, genuinely great movies out of this game.

791
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.960
We did. We did, and you know, we we all

792
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.920
know what happened to Tony Scott. You know, he took

793
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:15.800
his own life. Sadly. I want to say that was

794
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.880
like twenty twelve. I got a quote here from him

795
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.280
which is a little haunting. Uh. He's he's talking about

796
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:26.480
his early days in Hollywood and what his career will

797
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.960
ultimately become, and he says, quote, hopefully, I'll be viewed

798
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.519
as an extreme character when I pass on. You know,

799
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.000
they might say, wow, he was out there. He was

800
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.920
a fucking lunatic, and I like to be viewed that way.

801
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:42.159
So I like that.

802
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.679
I like I like that. Yeah, it's it's a it's

803
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:47.519
it's a little telling, but at the same time, it's

804
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:50.360
I like that he you know.

805
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.320
Took he took ownership of what he made, and I

806
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:53.960
mean he does.

807
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:54.400
Yeah.

808
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:59.800
His his filmography is intent. It's really it's visceral. So

809
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.920
sometimes it's a little crazy. So I'm glad that you

810
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:03.800
know that's what he was going for.

811
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:05.840
Well, I'll tell you what we're about to go for.

812
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.039
We are running short on time, so it's time for

813
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.440
the no huddle offense. Andrew. Let's uh, let's let's get

814
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.440
down the field here. I like I said, we talked

815
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:20.920
about revenge, we discussed his filmography, but you were not

816
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:25.719
on the show at that point. So they listen, they

817
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:27.920
can hear me talk about these movies if they listen

818
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:29.639
to that episode. I want to hear what you have

819
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.880
to say about some of these these these films set

820
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.119
up knock them down, all right. Nineteen eighty three, The

821
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:36.679
Hunger his directorial debut.

822
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.199
I've seen it. It was fine. I said, I'm not

823
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:42.400
gonna rave about it, but it's fine.

824
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.360
It's a vampire movie. That is unusual.

825
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:51.119
Yeah, I if you if you haven't seen it, it's fine,

826
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:52.119
don't worry about it. Yeah.

827
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.000
One one, you and I have discussed a lot. We

828
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:57.519
have actually talked about it on our limited series nineteen

829
00:42:57.559 --> 00:42:59.480
eighty six Top Gun.

830
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:01.960
Yeah. I mean, if you say Tony Scott, that's the

831
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.599
first thing that comes to my mind. You say nineteen

832
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:06.360
eighty six, It's probably the second thing that comes to

833
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:09.639
my mind. Is it's top Gun. Everything to be said

834
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.159
about it, We've we've already talked about it, as you

835
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:15.559
said in the nineteen eighty six series, So classic, amazing.

836
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.239
What else is nineteen eighty seven? He directs Beverly Hills

837
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:23.559
Cop Two. My question to you, Beverly Hills Cop Beverly

838
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:25.440
Hills Cop Two, which is the better film?

839
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:30.760
Ooh, you know, I'm probably gonna go with the first one.

840
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.880
I think that's you get more time introducing the character

841
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.760
of playing with you know who acxul Foley is. I

842
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.119
will say the second one is looks gorgeous. I love

843
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.719
the cinematography in the second one. But yeah, I think

844
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:43.719
I gotta give it to the first one.

845
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.280
All right, as long as you can give Beverly Hills

846
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.840
Cop to credit over three the train Wreck that is three, And.

847
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:53.280
I still haven't seen that new one that just came

848
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.239
out this year. Axel Foley, I think is the title

849
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.440
I'm nervous. I've heard sure if I ever want to

850
00:43:58.480 --> 00:43:58.679
give it.

851
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.039
A try, I've heard nothing but good things about it. Uh.

852
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.400
Jason Colvin from the show You Can't Be Serious Podcast,

853
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:06.400
he saw it like the first day it dropped on Netflix,

854
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.440
and he's he raved about it, and he was like, hey,

855
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:14.119
Axel's back, the gang is back. This is this erases

856
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.559
Beverly Hills cop three. This for we we forgive, we

857
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:20.599
forgive uh ax of Foley for three because of so well,

858
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:22.000
I gotta we got we gotta check it out.

859
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:23.599
Right, let's set up, let's set up a little watch

860
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:24.280
time for that. We'll watch it.

861
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.039
Let's we'll do that one. Yeah, as I said, we

862
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:31.280
we did do an episode on nineteen ninety's Revenge Kevin Costner,

863
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.679
Madeline Stowe. I'm gonna tell you right now, just go ahead.

864
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.679
I'm gonna give you the guarantee. Just just buy it,

865
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:41.079
but but make sure you get the unrated version because

866
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:43.039
it's steemy.

867
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:44.679
Good to know.

868
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:47.760
Yeah, he's busy in nineteen ninety because uh, one that

869
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:50.880
I know you have seen Days of Thunder.

870
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:55.039
Obviously, I mean it's it's top Gun again sort.

871
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.000
Of, it's top Gun on the racetrack.

872
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.320
Right, Yeah, absolutely, And you know, as I said, I

873
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:01.320
love him make it's very visceral movies. You can kind

874
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:02.920
of like they have like a lot texture to them.

875
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:04.639
The characters are all sweaty and you just feel it.

876
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.440
So I think that works really well in that environment.

877
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.800
It kicks ass. But yeah, if you like Top Gun,

878
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:11.599
you like Days of Thunder, you know you have to.

879
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:16.320
Yeah, one of my favorite Michael Rooker characters. Yeah, at

880
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:20.360
young Michael Rooker, Young Michael Rooker. Yeah, we've been talking

881
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:24.119
about nineteen ninety one's The Last Boy Scout. Two years later,

882
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:27.639
in nineteen ninety three, he takes a Quentin Tarantino script

883
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.880
and makes one of my all time favorite movies. I'm

884
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:32.880
talking about True Romance.

885
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:37.280
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know that you and I've necessarily

886
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.599
talked about this one before, but I absolutely love True Romance.

887
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.039
I think it's my brother's like one of his favorite

888
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:44.000
movies of all time. He won't shut up about it

889
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:47.480
like this one. That one, to me feels like a

890
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:50.679
Tarantina movie over a Tony Scott movie. And I don't

891
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.239
know if that's necessarily fair, because obviously he's a great director,

892
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:55.639
but I think the script is what really shines the

893
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:57.920
most there. Kind of the same as the way I

894
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.440
give credit Shan Black for The Last Boy Scout, but

895
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.480
they both do phenomenal work. The cast of Steller. I

896
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:05.519
love young Brad Pitt and that one. He's so funny.

897
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:08.519
Oh god, Floyd is amazing in that movie.

898
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:10.880
It's just I mean, I love that movie.

899
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:13.920
It. Yeah, I'll tell you something.

900
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:16.559
I think that might be his most underrated. Every film

901
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:20.119
nerd I know loves it. Yeah, most people I think

902
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:22.159
have let it slide and don't really know about it.

903
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.440
So if i'll you know what, we we always take

904
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:30.159
the underrated films of directors to focus on on this podcast.

905
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:32.800
I'm gonna check the numbers on True Romance and if

906
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:36.519
it's if it's underrated, if it's truth, true, truly underrated,

907
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:38.159
we're absolutely doing it.

908
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:40.400
Yeah, we'll just throw this episode out and record a

909
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:41.639
whole new one on No.

910
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:44.440
No, you can never have you, You could never not

911
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:48.199
have enough Tony Scott. So I'm fine, Sure, Well, I'll

912
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.039
find a way to say, yeah, it's you know, Crimson

913
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.880
Tide is a very underrated submarine movie, and that's why

914
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:55.840
we're talking about it. So no, and that's actually that's

915
00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:00.519
nineteen ninety five. That's his next film, Denzel. This is

916
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.800
first pairing with Denzel, I think, right, yeah, and.

917
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:08.000
It kicks ass. Oh gosh, Yeah, Denzel is amazing. It's

918
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.760
it's tense. I love a good submarine movie because it's

919
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:16.199
just the claustrophobia, constant tension of it. And yeah, I

920
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:18.840
absolutely love this movie. I haven't, to be fair, I

921
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:20.559
haven't seen it in a few years, so I don't

922
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:23.000
know how well it's held up. But big, big fan,

923
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:24.559
and you know, you know I love Denzel.

924
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:27.000
Yeah, I know I know how you feel about Denzel.

925
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:31.000
But I'm gonna put you on the spot here, dost Boot,

926
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.440
Crimson Tide, hunt For at October? What is the best

927
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:35.159
submarine movie?

928
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:40.199
Oh? Man, Okay, so best I'm probably gonna go Hunt

929
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:44.800
For at October. Okay, But I will say, and you

930
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.159
didn't mention it, I really have a weird place in

931
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:49.199
my heart where I absolutely love you five seven to one.

932
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:54.079
That movie. Yeah, that movie gets me and like just

933
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:56.760
I get so anxious and tense watching it. But I

934
00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:58.519
would say best is probably Hunt For at October.

935
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:03.639
Okay, all right? Nineteen ninety six. I kind of feel

936
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:05.599
like we're we're starting to see a little bit of

937
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.239
a decline. Okay. He does a movie called The Fan

938
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:14.559
with Robert de Niro, who is like unhinge Yeah, DeNiro,

939
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:21.719
So de Niro is like this unhinged super fan of

940
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.800
Wesley Snipes. Wesley Snipe's like an all star baseball player. Yeah,

941
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:29.440
and it's kind of like a stalker movie, like a

942
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.880
you know, he hey, de Niro goes off the off

943
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.119
the rails. It's a little forgettable.

944
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.000
With a cast. With a cast like that, and you know,

945
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.480
tony' skyt directly unsurprised. That sounds like it could be

946
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:43.119
pretty kick ass.

947
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:45.639
I'm not saying it's a bad movie. It's it's fun

948
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:47.920
to watch. Like de Niro is kind of channeling a

949
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:51.880
little bit of Travis Bickle. Yeah, and you know, you

950
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.639
got Ellen Barkin, you got you got a couple other

951
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:56.599
people and it I think John Leguazambo's in it. If

952
00:48:56.599 --> 00:49:00.239
I remember right, it's worth a watch. I'll say that

953
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.719
it's all Pluto TV. It's streaming with ads. Give it

954
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.519
a watch, you might you might enjoy it. Yeah, all right,

955
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.960
did you enjoy Spy Game? In two thousand and one,

956
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:12.719
he's Brad Pitt.

957
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.679
Robert Redford yeah, I wanted to really badly.

958
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:20.159
Why didn't this movie? Why was it good?

959
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.239
It was pacing issues. I watched it again, probably about

960
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:25.360
two years ago. I was it had been a long time,

961
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:28.119
and I was like, Okay, it's Redford, it's Brad Pitt's

962
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.800
spy stuff like that sounds awesome. It's really slow, and

963
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.199
I think with spy stuff, you know, you always run

964
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:35.960
the risk of that and you need to, you know,

965
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:37.400
kind of keep the pace up. You need to keep

966
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:38.840
the tension up. And I just think it failed to

967
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:39.079
do that.

968
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:43.199
It was it was boring. Yeah, I'm going to say it.

969
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.639
It was. You can't tell me c I a spy

970
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.719
thrillers and then make it a boring film.

971
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.159
And I don't want to see real spy stuff. I

972
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.519
want to see Tom Cruise blowing up a million ton

973
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:55.280
fish tank, you know.

974
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:57.440
I want to see James. I want to see James Bond.

975
00:49:57.719 --> 00:49:57.880
You know.

976
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:01.679
Yeah, well, you know it is what it is. But

977
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:04.159
he is back in a big way. In two thousand

978
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.440
and four. He's back with Denzel. He does Man on Fire,

979
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.000
which I think is one of his better films.

980
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.760
It really is. Yeah, it's amazing. I think it kind

981
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:19.159
of kickstarted this whole like older aging like guy comes

982
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.800
out of retirement to just absolutely destroy people. It's like

983
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.519
that it's taken before taken was the thing A good point.

984
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.719
But we also, as gonna say, we also still have

985
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:33.000
like the broken hero, like Denzel as an absolute raging

986
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:36.199
alcoholic in Man on Fire, And I love the fact

987
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:37.960
that that's part. Like you know, the guy's like, why

988
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.719
you know, giving your resume? Why why are you so

989
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:44.519
Cheap's what's wrong with you? He's like, I'm an alcoholic,

990
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:47.679
Like he in the job interview, he flat out says, here,

991
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:49.000
here's what you get with me.

992
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.280
You know. Yeah, it's I mean, but it really works.

993
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:53.840
And again that goes back to what I was saying

994
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:55.960
about Tony Scott. He's got that very visceral style where

995
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.639
you just you feel the temperature outside and the humidity

996
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:01.519
and I know, things like that in a way that

997
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:04.039
a lot of directors I think miss, and that movie

998
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:04.840
really sells it.

999
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.840
Well, you know a lot. I think one thing I

1000
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.480
got to give credit to is uh is the cinematography

1001
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:12.320
in that one, because it's it's in a way it's

1002
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.079
a little bit like Traffic where it's kind of it's

1003
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:17.000
Mexico city, so we have to make it look washed out. Yeah,

1004
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.480
the the lights are it's it's like it's overexposed.

1005
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:23.920
This wasn't a cliche yet when he did it, though,

1006
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:26.239
I feel like I got another one.

1007
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.519
Yeah. Well yeah he was two thousand and four, he was.

1008
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:33.960
It was still something something, something new. Yeah, I love

1009
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.679
I Love Man on Fire, Denzel Christopher Walken. You got

1010
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:40.960
Dakota Fanning. You know she's like adorable, like nine year

1011
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:41.840
old Dakota Fanning.

1012
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:42.400
Yep.

1013
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:49.519
Yeah, Fantastic Film, two thousand and five. Domino. I never

1014
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:49.880
saw it.

1015
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:56.880
It's okay. I mean I I liked Kiera Knightley's turn,

1016
00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:59.239
as you know, kind of an action star, like a badass,

1017
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:03.679
were playing against type. Not his best work, I think.

1018
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:07.039
You know, it's been long enough. It's been it's almost

1019
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.079
been twenty years since it came out. I might be

1020
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:10.400
ready to watch it now, but I remember when that

1021
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.880
trailer came out. The trailer was on every every commercial break,

1022
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.079
the trailer was on, and it was a super annoyal

1023
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.679
one where Kieranley is like, I'm Domino, Hobby, I'm Domino.

1024
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:21.679
Like she like says her name like four different times

1025
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:22.159
in the trailer.

1026
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:22.440
It's like.

1027
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:27.320
Stop, you know, just please don't don't talk anymore.

1028
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.159
Yeah, I think you'll like it, but it's yeah, it's

1029
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.639
not going to hold up to Man on Fire, Data

1030
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:33.400
Thunder or anything like that.

1031
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:36.920
Well, like the Fan. It also is streaming on Pluto.

1032
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.000
A lot of Tony Scott stuff is on Pluto. I

1033
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:41.480
was when I was doing research on this, I was like, oh,

1034
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:45.079
there's another Tony Scott movie on on Pluto two thousand

1035
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:48.760
and six called Denzel Because now it's it's deja vus.

1036
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.480
Not great, Yeah, not bad.

1037
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.920
I think we're starting to see his decline in filmmaking.

1038
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.559
He starts getting a little overly stylized. I think, um hm,

1039
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:01.599
starts playing around with a lot of like the camera

1040
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:04.360
flares and the being able to change the color digitally

1041
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:08.400
and stuff, and it's starts just feeling a little bit forced.

1042
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.719
Yeah. I think we're getting up to a point where

1043
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:16.239
starting with Men on Fire, going through Domino, definitely with

1044
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:20.960
j V it's almost like one long movie because all

1045
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:22.960
the shots look the same and it's like the same

1046
00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:27.679
color palette. Two thousand and nine, he does the remake

1047
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.840
of the Taking a Pellem one two three with Denzel

1048
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.599
and John Travolta. Yeah, Denzel's is man at.

1049
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:36.159
This point, like, yeah, I mean if you if you

1050
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:36.880
can get it, you know.

1051
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:39.960
Yeah, well yeah, I mean you can. You can do

1052
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.840
a lot worse in your film.

1053
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:46.039
And the Taking a Poem on two three was again,

1054
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.079
if it's on TV and I don't have anywhere to be, like,

1055
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.760
I'd watch it, but I'm not ranking up there with

1056
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:52.199
the greats.

1057
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:57.239
I'm not. And honestly, if it's on TV, I'm not

1058
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:58.679
gonna stop and watch it, but I will go. You

1059
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:00.280
know what, I think I want to watch Taking a

1060
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:02.800
Pillow one two three, the Robert Shaw version, and I

1061
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:05.679
think that's what I'll go out of my way to find,

1062
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:09.119
the Robert Shaal versus. So. His last film in twenty

1063
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:15.519
ten was the action packed train movie Unstoppable with Chris

1064
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:17.760
Pine and and Denzel Washington.

1065
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:20.559
Yeah, you know, I actually never saw that one. I

1066
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.480
kind of wanted to. I'm a big fan of the

1067
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:26.239
you know that genre, the speed style genre of you know,

1068
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:31.039
realistic in quotes disaster, but I just never got around

1069
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:31.159
to it.

1070
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.199
I guess, well, sadly you won't be able to stream

1071
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:36.599
that on Pluto TV, but you can stream it on

1072
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:39.360
two B so good to a lot of his a

1073
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:42.800
lot of his his filmography is available to watch, and

1074
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:47.639
that's a great thing for anyone that's a Tony Scott fan,

1075
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:49.559
or if you're wanting to become a Tony Scott fan.

1076
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:53.559
As far as I'm concerned, Andrew, we've just burned through

1077
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:57.119
his filmography. I want to ask you favorite Tony Scott film.

1078
00:54:57.920 --> 00:54:59.760
You know what, if you had asked me before we

1079
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:02.559
went through the phomography, I probably just need your reaction.

1080
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:04.800
Would have said Top Gun. It feels like an obvious answer,

1081
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.119
But I really got to go with True Romance. I

1082
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:08.360
love that movie.

1083
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.719
You and I are of a like mind. Top Gun

1084
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:13.880
feels like the answer, Like if you're shooting from the hip,

1085
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:16.159
it's got to be top Gun. But when you say

1086
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:17.880
a minute to think about it, Yeah, when you get

1087
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:20.880
a minute to think, you got to say true Romance. Yeah,

1088
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:24.519
that's how I look at it. I saw speak a

1089
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:27.559
true romance. I saw recently trying to remember the name

1090
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:29.519
of the company, and I apologize because I don't have

1091
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:33.679
it committed to memory. But there's a Facebook ad Trigger Treats.

1092
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:36.599
I think it's trick or Treat studios. They do famous

1093
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:40.920
replicas of like Halloween masks, you know, horror stuff. Every

1094
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:43.599
now and then, though they'll they'll do something that's not

1095
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.800
a horror themed one. And they've created action figures for

1096
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:47.840
True Romance.

1097
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:49.519
Oh that's fantastic.

1098
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:51.199
They're coming out. I think they come out and you

1099
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:52.800
can pre order them now. They're coming out in December

1100
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.679
nineteen ninety nine for each figure. But there's there's Clarence

1101
00:55:56.760 --> 00:56:02.719
Alabama Drexel and the Valkilm More character, the Mentor as

1102
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:04.519
he's known, which is clearly he's Elvis.

1103
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:05.239
Yeah.

1104
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:07.760
I saw these things. I'm like, I'm buying. I'm buying

1105
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.679
the whole set. Yeah, man that I'm a grown man

1106
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:13.159
and I will own these, these these action figures of

1107
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:14.880
True Romance, I know.

1108
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:16.519
If nothing else, I know a few people who I

1109
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:18.800
can I can put that in their stockings.

1110
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.119
Yeah. And this is and I'm not talking dude, I'm

1111
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:26.840
not talking about like lifelike articulate seventeen points of you know, articulation.

1112
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:32.079
The No, these look more like Kenner Star Wars figures

1113
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.679
even better, which it makes them look so much cooler,

1114
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.719
I think. But yeah, check check them out. I want Yeah,

1115
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:40.159
Trigger Treat Studios is what I want. To say. I

1116
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:43.039
don't apologize if I'm wrong there, but got to know

1117
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:46.960
andrew your recommendation on the Last Boy Scout.

1118
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.239
It's I mean, it's definitely worth watching. I'm a Shane

1119
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:52.039
Black fan, I'm a Tony Scott fan, I'm a Bruce

1120
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:54.639
Willis fan. It's one to add to the list, but

1121
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:58.039
I would definitely say don't go into it with the

1122
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:04.119
expectation of an air type grounded thriller. It's a little

1123
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:06.400
on the silly side, but it's fantasy.

1124
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.280
Where did I own a copy of this? So you know,

1125
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:11.079
I just pulled out the DVD. But where where'd you

1126
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:11.599
see this on that?

1127
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:14.239
I did? I did actually buy this one on Prime.

1128
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.239
I had to go digital because I couldn't find a copy,

1129
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:21.199
you know. Unfortunately DVDs are harder to come by nowadays. Sometimes.

1130
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:23.960
Yeah, and I'll tell you the DVD release of this

1131
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.679
not great, very bare bonds with the extras, nothing good

1132
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:32.239
you get like scene selection and Spanish subtitles. I think

1133
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:35.199
that the transfer doesn't look wonderful. I mean it obviously

1134
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:38.000
it looks better than vhs, but yeah, no, I can't

1135
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:39.639
say much more than that. If there's a Blu Ray

1136
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:44.239
version of this that's I might have to upgrade. But listeners,

1137
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.400
what do you think of the last poist scout? What

1138
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:49.800
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1139
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:54.320
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1140
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:56.679
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1141
00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:59.519
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1142
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00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.599
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1144
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1145
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:11.559
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1146
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1147
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:17.960
We've got some new stuff coming. You know. We got

1148
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:22.280
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1149
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:27.360
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1150
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.840
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1151
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:31.159
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1152
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1153
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1154
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1155
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00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.079
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1157
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1158
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1159
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1160
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:57.519
And those are a lot of fun too, Andrew.

1161
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:00.840
I'll tell you what is making me very happy is

1162
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:04.320
our conversations. He's ten for two. Yes, So as we're doing,

1163
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:08.159
we're taking we're taking ten minutes, I strict ten minutes

1164
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:10.840
to talk about a strict two minutes of a movie.

1165
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:13.440
And uh man, those have been a blast so far.

1166
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:15.199
So yeah, we got We've got some good ones coming

1167
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:16.679
up too. I got some good ideas I'm excited to

1168
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:17.280
talk to you about.

1169
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:20.000
I can't wait to hear them because, uh you know,

1170
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:21.760
you know, I'm ready for a ten for two. In

1171
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:25.239
the meantime, listeners, we thank you for tuning in week

1172
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:28.880
after week. And Andrew, it's been great having you guest

1173
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:31.159
hosts more often this season. But you need to know,

1174
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:35.119
Water's wet, Sky's blue, an old Satan Claus. He's out

1175
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:36.599
there and he's only getting stronger.

1176
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:37.519
So what do we do?

1177
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:47.920
Be prepared, Son, that's my motto, Be prepared, mood River

1178
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more deadly.

1179
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Well, ev night, Moover