Jan. 11, 2026

Wes Anderson - The Royal Tenenbaums

Wes Anderson - The Royal Tenenbaums
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Season 7

Jeff and Amber discuss the brilliance of Wes Anderson, as they analyze his incredible taste in music, his ability to draw star power to his ensemble casts, and why Gene Hackman was so unhappy in the 2001 quirky, melodramatic family comedy The Royal Tenenbaums. 

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Amber Lewis. It is season seven, and we're doing something

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different this year. This year only, we are celebrating the

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anniversaries of the films of two thousand and one and

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two thousand and six, and we decided, Hey, let's not

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be underrated for a while. Let's do a big one.

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Let's do the blockbusters, let's have some fun. What do

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you think about all this?

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I'm excited. There's some good ones on this list coming out.

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There are a lot of good ones, a lot of

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big movies that we normally wouldn't get to talk about.

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So I am excited for this season and I'm excited

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to talk about today's movie. So let's get to it.

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Let's talk about a film by Wes Anderson, his two

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thousand and one quirky masterpiece, The Royal Tenant Bombs. Hello, everybody,

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I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis, and this is a

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film by podcast Amber. Yeah, I said it, masterpiece. I

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know we're gonna get into it. I know you're you're

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familiar with Wes Anderson's work. Correct, Oh, yes, okay, okay, good,

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because I got some I got some questions for you

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before we get started, though, Can we shout out our

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newest Patreon member, Brad Sorenson. Welcome, Brad, Welcome to Patreon. Welcome.

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You know, I'm assuming he listens to uh to the

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normal feed here that we do, Amber, But Brad, uh,

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if you're listening to the Royal tenem Bombs episode, you

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gotta you gotta reach out, man, you gotta email us. Uh,

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let us know. How'd you find us on Patreon? What

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brought you to the Patreon? Is there a certain movie

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you're hoping that we're going to cover? Reach out? Let

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us know. We are happy to have you on Patreon

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and listeners. If you have not joined, Brad and many

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others you can. You can go to patreon dot com

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slash a film by podcast I think our Tears, Amber,

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if I'm remembering, write start for as little as three

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dollars a month, and you get access to all of

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the exclusive bonus content. We do video episodes over there.

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We've got several limited series like ten for two with

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Andrew Blakeley, We've got a film at fifty and we've

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got the Lost nineteen six episodes. So there's a ton

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of stuff over there.

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Yeah, it's a good time.

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Well, Amber, let's talk about Wes Anderson. I've got three

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things you may not know about this director and a quote.

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It was while attending the University of Texas as a

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philosophy major, he became friends with Owen Wilson and began

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making short films, one of which was called Bottle Rocket,

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starring Luke Wilson. It was screened at the Sundance Film Festival,

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where it received funding to be made into a feature

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length film. And this cult film has many fans, me

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among them, also Martin Scorsese. Did you know that?

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No?

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Yes, I love it? Yeah, And an Esquire magazine articles

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Scorsese chose Wes Anderson as the next Martin Scorsese. That's

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a big deal, I mean, and that you know that's huge? Yeah,

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this one I think is really cool. During production, he

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prefers to have his cast and crew stay at hotels

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and have dinner together instead of using trailers and on

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set catering. Yeah.

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They did that on this film, I guess because they

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were shooting in a real house. Trailers were like six

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blocks away, so everybody was hanging out at the green room,

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which was in like the attic of this house.

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And it just like.

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Helped him to bond and really made it a pleasant atmosphere.

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I love it when you know movie sets are like that.

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How badly would you love to live in the Tennenbaum House?

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Oh my gosh, a lot.

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It's gorgeous.

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It's so amazing, It's.

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So eccentric and cool and fun. Uh yeah, set designs

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phenomenal on this one for sure. Amber Wes Anderson's great

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grandfather was the older brother of Edgar Rice Burroughs. What

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yeah you want? You want to tell our listeners? For

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those that maybe haven't heard the name Edgar Rice Burrows Amber,

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what is he famous for writing?

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He wrote Tarzan?

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Yes, Tarzan? He wrote John Carter of Mars.

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Well, I don't know from that, but I from Dartzaan.

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Not a John Carter fan. Okay, I gotcha, I gotcha.

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I mean, if Alexander Scarsguard wants to make a John Carter,

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maybe I'll be there.

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You weren't you weren't you weren't? Okay with the Taylor kitsch,

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but I didn't watch it okay. On his directing style,

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Wes had this to say, quote, I have a way

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of filming things and staging them and designing sets. There

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are times when I thought I should change my approach,

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but in fact, this is what I like to do.

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It's sort of like my handwriting as a movie director.

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And somewhere along the way, I think I've made the

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decision I'm going to write in my own handwriting.

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I love that analogy.

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Isn't that great? Like I really, I really like that

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because if you're you know, if you're no stranger to

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Wes Anderson films, they all have very rich texture to

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the sets everything. I feel like everything is put in

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a place for a reason, down to the tiniest detail.

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But it also doesn't look stage. It looks like it's

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supposed to be there. It looks like they just walked

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in and found this place, right. I love his style. Now,

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speaking of style, Amber we uh, I don't know if

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you listen to the last show, but we're we're doing something.

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We're having a little fun this season. We're, like I said,

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we're talking about big movies. Everyone has heard of them,

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everyone has seen them. We're kind of I feel like

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we're wasting the listeners time if we're going to give

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them a detailed synopsis about what the film is all about.

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So I didn't really talk about this last week with

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Brad but this was a this was a game that

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me and some people used to play at work where

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we would describe a movie in five words of or

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less and then you had to guess the movie and

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you know, kind of a kind of a fun way

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to pass the time. So instead of the detailed synopsis

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is that we are typically doing on a film buy,

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we're doing a five word synopsis. So Amber, I know

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you haven't really had a lot of prep time for this.

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If you could describe the Royal Ten of Bombs in

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five words or less, would you say, you know, how

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would you try.

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To do it? Well? It can be last.

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Well it mean five words. I'm sorry, it's a five

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you have to use five words.

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It has to be five.

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Yeah, I should have said five words. I should have

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said it's a five word synopsis. That's that's the game

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of the game.

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Well, family track suits.

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Well you're no, no, no, hold on, now, hold on, you're

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giving us a synopsis. I'm saying, Amber, like, yeah, Amber Lewis,

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what is the Royal ten of Bombs all about? And

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you're gonna tell me?

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Now?

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Five works?

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You do it? Let me hear how you do it?

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How you Yeah?

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Okay, lovable grifter wins back family.

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Oh okay, so not like word association.

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No, now you're getting it.

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Okay, well we're gonna go with yours.

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Okay, we'll go in mine next time.

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I will have one prepared because.

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You're coming back next week, so you better learn how

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this game works.

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Yeah, I mean so extinct you would think that this

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would be easy for me.

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I would think this was right up your alley. You

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would have had you would have had one way better

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than mine.

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No, no, I'm literally sweating right now.

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Uh what was it? Jason Colvin, our good buddy from

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the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcast? He sent me

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a message after listening to Rocky Biboa, and it said

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the Royal tenem bombs. I think his five words were

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weird title never seen it? Like, well, okay, that's that's

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not a really good description of the movie.

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But yeah, really going to be able to guess the

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film from that one.

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But well, and hey, listen, aber what we told what

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Brad and I told everyone last last week? You know

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we want you We'll tell you what movie we're doing

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next week, and then we want you to you know,

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email us, shit us up, give us your five word

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synopsis because if we use it, we will send you

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some a film by Swag. We will shout you out

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on the episode.

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So yes, and you can tell listeners that I need

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some help.

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So all right. So Wes Anderson states this film is

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quote the most complex, ambitious musical piece I've ever worked on.

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How do you feel about that?

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Well, I I don't know about complex, the most complex,

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but I guess it would depend on when he said that.

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But the first thing I wrote down watching this was

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how much I love the use of music in this

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It's every single song is perfect.

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He I know, he's a big fan of using the

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Rolling Stones, which maybe maybe that's why Scorsese is digging

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Wes Sanderson because you know scores. But you're right the

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you know, we've got the Velvet Underground in this movie,

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the Rolling Stones. A couple of times I think, uh, Nico,

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there's I mean, there's so many amazing tracks.

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Like I think that's where all the money went, because

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they the Beatles and yeah.

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Class the clash. They got the Charlie Brown Christmas theme,

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which feels so strange in that moment but also so inviting.

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That it's so perfect for Margaret.

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It's perfect it's perfect for Margo. Yeah, I I just

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I think.

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It opens with hey Jude is just oh. I was like,

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this is exactly what this movie is about.

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If our buddy Deaf Dave from Deaf Dave's nineteen eighty

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four hasn't seen this movie, I think you win him

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over immediately with with it starting with with hey Jude.

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I don't know, like, there's so many I wish we

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had more than an hour to talk about this one,

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because there's a lot of themes. There's a lot of

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stuff going on this movie. There's a lot of complexity,

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I think, and I know we can't really get in

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the weeds with it, but but I absolutely love it,

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and I'm glad it sounds like it sounds like you're

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a big fan too. So I'll tell you what. Let's

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take a quick break, and when we come back, we

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will discuss the cast. Welcome back. We're talking about Wes

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Anderson's two thousand and one, The Royal Tenant Bombs. It's

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celebrating it's twenty fifth anniversary Amber and it just this

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is just a couple of days ago. It hits so

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hard to believe it's been twenty five years since this

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came out.

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Oh now, Space, we've been so old.

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I think it's fair to say that this is Gene

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Hackman's movie. It written for him. He plays, He plays

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the patriarch Royal Tenenbaum. I know I don't want to

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stay too long on Gene because you and I we

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talked about his role in this film last year when

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we did our top ten Gene Hackman performances we did. Yeah,

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so the listeners, if you haven't heard that, Amber and

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I we paid tribute to Gene last year after his passing.

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We kind of shared what we felt were our top

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ten favorite performances by Gene Hackman. Go back check that out.

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That was a really fun episode to do with you, Amber.

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But I will say this because I don't know if

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we touched on this in that episode, but he does

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win the Best Actor at the Golden Globes for this movie.

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The part, as I said, was written for him, and

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when he initially turned it down, Warren Beatty and Michael

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Kine were both considered. Now, Warren Batey, I know that's

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not gonna work, but could Michael Kane could have done

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this this it would have.

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Been such a different movie.

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Though it would have been but like the silly goofy

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Michael Kane, like the Jaws for Austin Powers gold member

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type of Michael Kine who's just letting it, letting it go.

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good time with this one. I don't know how true

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this is, but Gene Hackman not the only Gene that

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was considered. It turns out Gene Wilder was asked to

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come out of retirement for this role, and uh he

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turned it down. He said, no, I'm retired.

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It would have been interesting.

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Could you see uh, an older Willy Wonka running through

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these scenes with with these kids and Angelica Houston and

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everybody else. I think I think Gene Wilder would have

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done it justice big time.

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It would have been a very different movie, but it

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would have been an interesting choice. The one thing about

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Gene Hackman when I was watching it again today, when

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he was telling the story about about oh, what's his

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name Pagoda stabbing him in the market, Yeah, I was like,

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I one hundred percent believe that everything he's saying, Like

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there is no question in my mind that like this

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is actually a story that actually happened, Like he just

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has that truth about do you him?

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Do you remember a couple of seasons ago, you and

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I did, uh Tim Burton's Big Fish?

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And you know we've got this this character who has

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these these just in these these crazy stories, these these

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tall tales that just can't be true. And I kind

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of feel like Royal Tenebaum is like that kind of

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a character. Like you, It just can't. You just there's

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no way it's real, but but it is. You want

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to believe him, You gotta, you kind of gotta believe him.

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He's he's really good at what he does. I do

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love that, Like who stabbed you? He carried the man

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that stabbed me, carried me on his back to the hospital.

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He's fantastic. No, I love I love Gene Hackman. I

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like I said on that episode, the tribute episode, this

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is one of my all time favorite performances by him.

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I'm glad he took the role. I know he wasn't

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happy taking the role. I know he wasn't happy on set.

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We'll probably talk about that a little bit. But Amber,

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let me just run through this all star lineup and

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this this cast, this ensemble cast came together because Wes

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Anderson got Gene Hackman. These everyone was like, Oh, you

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got Hackman. I want to I'm in. This movie also

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stars Gwyneth Paltrow, Angelica Houston, Ben Stiller, Luke Wilson, Owen Wilson,

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Bill Murray, Danny Glover and it features narration by Alec Baldwin.

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My question, yeah, yeah, where do you want to start?

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Because I listen, I know I would love to chat

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with you about every single one of them, but this

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is the you know, this is the episode. We're not

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doing a mini series on it, So you know who

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stood out to you? Who do you? Who do you?

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Who would you like to talk about?

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For me? It's Angelaki Houston.

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Playing Ethelene.

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Yes, she makes this movie just as much as Gene

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Hackman does.

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I love how she is. I don't want to say

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she's flighty, but she's kind of just her characters. She

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just she's kind of floating from scene to scene, you know,

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kinda what am I wanting to say? Kind of oblivious,

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kind of oblivious to everything that's going on around her,

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yet it knows what's going on. You know, Iss has

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the has the pulse of the of the situation. She's

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she's let's be honest, she's beautiful. She's absolute gorgeous. Can

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you can you picture a young Gene Hackman and uh

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Angelica run around?

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My favorite scene I don't kind of jump in the

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gun here, but I love the fight that they have

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on the street when he tells her he's dying and

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then he's like, well maybe I'm.

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Not that amber. That was their first day of shooting.

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Shut up her.

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There's a there's a story she shared. I can't remember

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where I saw it, but you know day one scene

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one with with with Hackman and she slaps him hard,

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like you know the slap you see. It's she didn't

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hold back. And she shares a story where she immediately

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sees her handprint on his cheek and she thinks, oh ship,

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he is gonna be pissed at me.

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So yeah, did say that I didn't realize it was

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their first day, But he did say that when they

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shot that scene it was just him like just trying

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to catch it all in the camera because they just

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like kind of took off and he was like running

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to catch up.

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Yeah, and they just did it.

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It just happened.

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He is. He has said that they initially both of

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them turned it down Angelica Houston. Her condition was, hey, look,

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I want to do it, but you need to you

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need to build these characters a little bit more. I

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need we need some more scenes with with Ethelene to

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to show who she is and see what she's all about.

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I wonder if this is one of those scenes, because

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it I could easily see him just in the house

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already when he has that scene where he's like, hey,

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you know, I want to reconnect. I want to you know,

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make up for lost time for them to have that

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moment outside it. I think it's it's a great scene

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because it shows it shows that she's still in love

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with him.

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Mm hmm.

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That's why I looked at it.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, you.

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Can't get that. Yeah yeah, who else you got? Who

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else you want to talk about? Anybody else before we

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we get we get started.

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I really loved Danny Glover this.

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Uh Danny Glover. He's what Henry Sherman I think is

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who he's playing. Yes, Ethlene's uh accountant and uh and

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and suitor as as it were. He's got the he's

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got feelings for he wants to wants to move in

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on worlds turf.

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Yeah, he he turned down Oceans eleven for this.

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Oh okay, you know what. I I know you're a

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big fan of Oceans eleven and I was. I thought

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I thought I'd stun you with that. But yeah, he

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it wasn't just him, It was him, Luke Wilson and

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Owen Wilson, they all said no to Sodaberg so they

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could do this one. So yeah, I kind of wonder.

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I'm wondering if Luke and and We're gonna play the

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brothers and Oceans that, which would make sense. But I'm

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wondering who would who would uh, who would Danny Glover

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play in Ocean's eleven? Would you if you're casting, who

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do you got a mass?

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I don't know. I think he'd be. I think he'd

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be really good.

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In the Elliott Gold that I'm thinking Elliott Gold, like

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he's the money guy. Yeah, they're going to Yeah, that's

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that's who I had to We're not gonna move on

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without a little talk about Bill Murray.

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I know, I love it, Like Wes Anderson's like I

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have to have him in my movie, but it's such

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a small part.

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And Raleigh Sinclair It's it's so strange, but I do

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love how he how he exits, you know, after he

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finds out about Margo's past and you know, I have

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a cigarette.

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I love it. After he sees like all of her boyfriends.

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He's like, she smokes, Oh yeah, this wild life that

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she's had from age twelve to age thirty whatever, you know,

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and he shuts the folder, slides it back.

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To the detective and he's like, she smokes so good.

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I will say this. I think I've I've said it

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once or six times. You know, I'm not the biggest

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Gwyneth Paltrow fan, but I love her in this movie.

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She is so good in this Yes, and yeah, man,

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I really I wish we could just talk about all

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of them. I now, but it's they're amazing. But listen,

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we got we gotta keep moving. We gotta get moving.

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A little background on the movie. So Wes Anderson cites

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inspiration for the film came from his own parents divorce,

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the films of French director Lewis mayl Mao. Louis Mao,

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is that how thank you?

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Thank you?

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The French connection with Amber Lewis that's always correcting. This

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also the Orson Wells nineteen forty two film The Magnificent

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Amberson's books such as EO. Conisberg's From the Mixed Up

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Files of Missus, Basil E. Frank Welker, Frank Weller, and J. D.

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Salingers Franny and Zooey. He's pulling from a lot of places.

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Yes, he does a great commentary on the Criterion Collection.

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Yeah, and do you own Do you own the Criterion Collection?

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I do not, Okay, I do not, okay, but I

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they actually have it on Spotify. Someone was kind enough

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to upload the audio commentary.

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I that blows my mind. I have never considered listening

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to audio commentaries for movies on Spotify.

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I was just looking, like for an interview with Wes

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Anderson talking about the movie, and then I saw that. Yeah,

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so I was very excited to get to listen to that.

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But it's amazing that he's so well read and just

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has this huge spectrum of knowledge that he draws from.

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And it's little pieces. It's not, you know, like the

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Magnificent Amberson's thing. It's the credits, the introduction of all

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the characters, just that little piece, you know, and then

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he moves on to something else.

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And I love.

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That here where he draws inspiration from it's just it is.

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It's such a deep pool. I think, yes, and I

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love I love his work for it. That's you know,

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and this movie especially, like I feel like every time

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I watch The World ten of Bombs, I'm pulling something

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new out of it, or I'm noticing something new in

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the background, or like the board game closet.

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I'm obsessed with that closet with all those games.

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Who doesn't want that closet? But did you notice next time,

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next time you watch this movie, I want you to

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pay attention.

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To Oh, I wonder if we're thinking of the same thing.

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What is it?

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Okay? I got two things, actually I picked up on Okay,

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they own two different versions of Operation Oh.

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I didn't see that.

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Okay, but did you? I know you, I hope you've

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seen this, the pool chain on the light. Did you

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notice that one?

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Oh, it's a like a hotel or something from the

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Monopoly board.

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Yes, it's the little Green hotel from the Monopoly game. Yeah,

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you had no.

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I was looking at the titles of the game. I

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was trying to see the titles because I feel like

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they're very specific types of games, like they're very intellectually competitive.

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Yeah games, it's not like games of chance like aggravation

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or something. It's all like stuff like scrabble.

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And Clue is in there, yeah, yeah, there's it's it's

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all about skill and and puzzle solving. M But you

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know there are all three children are geniuses. Yes, what

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else are they going to play?

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Right right?

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Amber The Waldorf Astoria was used for all the hotel scenes,

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which I love when we're at the hotel with with

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Pagoda and Royal, it's it's just so much fun. You

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put me on the street. Where's my where's my encyclopedias?

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They're in storage, sir, you stole my encyclopedias.

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Yeah.

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Uh.

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The Tenebaum home that you and I both would love

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to visit, love to live in, that's actually located in Harlem,

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New York.

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I was so happy to find out that that was

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a real place.

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Oh could you You just can't make this house on

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a on a set? I don't think. I guess she could,

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but it would feel like I love that, Like even

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like the kitchen, like the scene where Royal and Henry

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have a have a little bit of a blow up.

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That's that isn't That's just an authentic New York kitchen.

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Because you can see how tiny and cramped it is. Yes,

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there's no room to move. Yeah, this house is fantastic. Absolutely.

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Now one more thing before we take a break. Amber.

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We talked a little bit about this on the Gene

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Hackman episode, the tribute episode we did, and we've we've

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kind of mentioned it briefly, but Hackman was not happy

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on this set.

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And that makes me so sad.

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It makes me sad because.

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He's so good in it and the work is amazing,

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but I think, you know, you get older, you just

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it's hard well.

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You know, And to hear Anderson tell it, he goes

474
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:55.200
to him, he says, yeah, you know, Hackman says, Hey,

475
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:58.039
I've got a couple movies left in me, so whatever

476
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:01.119
I'm doing, I just want to have fun. I just

477
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:04.640
want to make it a fun experience. And for him

478
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:06.359
to for this to be one of his last movies

479
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.799
and for him to have just an absolute terrible time

480
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:15.160
on set, to the point that he is being labeled

481
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:17.759
a bully, you know, by a lot of his co stars,

482
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.200
not towards them, but towards Wes Anderson. You know, I mean,

483
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.119
he kind of let it fly on set, like he

484
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:27.559
he you know, he openly, you know, berated Anderson and

485
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:31.599
bullied him so much so that that apparently Bill Murray

486
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.440
had to be the one to call him out and

487
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:36.799
you know, kind of kind of back him off. And

488
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:40.759
then Murray, I don't know if you know this, Murray

489
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:43.200
chose to come to set every day even if he

490
00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:45.920
wasn't shooting, just so he could kind of hang by

491
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:50.200
Anderson as like his you know, his confidant, you know,

492
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:54.359
just to make sure Hackman wasn't wasn't a on his

493
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.119
case the whole time. And that makes me sad.

494
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.160
Yeah, I kind of feel like and I mean I'm

495
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:01.920
speaking out of turn because I don't know any of

496
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:06.039
these people, but it feels to me like maybe Gene

497
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.200
Hackman was a little bit he was coming from a

498
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.759
place of fear. You know, you're working with this guy

499
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.920
you've never worked with before who has a very unique sensibility,

500
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:18.359
and you know, if you don't trust your director, that's

501
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:20.640
got to just scare the hell out of you. And

502
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.400
you know, he's the focal point of this movie, so

503
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.319
you know, that stress level has got to be a challenge.

504
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:33.359
I think you're onto something there. Because Hackman also before passing,

505
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:35.279
he said, you know, when we talk about this movie.

506
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:37.480
One of the things that made him hesitant to take

507
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.200
it was it's a story about an absentee father who's

508
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:46.200
trying to make amends before it's too late, and maybe

509
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.799
it is too late. And Hackman had a little bit

510
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.359
of that going on in his own life with his family,

511
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.680
so he actually, you know, his agent was really pushing

512
00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.240
for him to take the project, but it wasn't until

513
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.240
after he talked with his family and told him about

514
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.000
the movie to say, hey, what do you think They

515
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:06.440
all kind of got behind him and said, yeah, you

516
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.359
should do this movie. It's you know, and I'm wondering

517
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.240
if they're thinking, like, do this because maybe it's a

518
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.319
it'll be cathartic for him, But it's unfortunate because it

519
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:20.200
just didn't. It didn't go well. I got something here.

520
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:23.759
I'm gonna read this for you, Anderson says, quote it

521
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.440
was written for him against his wishes. Hackman was hesitant

522
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.440
about accepting the rule, citing his lack of understanding of

523
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:35.880
or commonalities with Royal. Hackman's agent persuaded him to take

524
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:39.720
the role. It was in twenty twenty five. Anderson elaborated

525
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.480
that Jane was very annoyed about the money. He was

526
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:48.279
also furious. Also, he didn't want to do the film anyway.

527
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.640
I talked him into it. I just didn't go away,

528
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.079
and everybody else said yes to the salary. So Jane

529
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.799
just went with it and that just became our way.

530
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.680
He left without saying goodbye. He was grumpy. We had friction.

531
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:04.119
He didn't enjoy it. I was probably too young and

532
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.400
it was annoying to him. He liked the movie, but

533
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:09.839
he told me he didn't understand it when we were shooting.

534
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:14.160
And then Bill Murray adds on and says, Jean was

535
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.480
really rough on Wes. And I used to kind of

536
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:18.680
step in there and just try to defend my friend.

537
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:21.680
Such an awesome movie, such a beautiful picture. But to

538
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.359
here that no one's having a good time, especially when

539
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:27.440
you know Anderson wants to have that community type vibe,

540
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:29.440
that family vibe where hey, let's all stay in the

541
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.079
same place and let's all have dinner together every night. Unfortunate.

542
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:36.920
Yeah, especially when you know the the ultimate result was

543
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:37.400
so great.

544
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.759
Yeah. Absolutely, We'll take another break and when we get back,

545
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:48.119
let's talk about the scene. Okay, Emember, I know we

546
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.200
have a habit of talking about what we feel is

547
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.200
the pivotal moment, right, and again, just wanted to just

548
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.960
want to change it up. This is this is only

549
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.599
we got one season to have a little fun outside

550
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:05.119
our norm. So I'll challenge you. I want you I've

551
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:06.839
got a scene that I want to talk about. I

552
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:08.960
know you've got a scene, but I want you to

553
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.200
I want I want you to tell me, like, why

554
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.880
are we talking about this scene? Is it because of

555
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.039
the cinematography. Is it because there's a strong performance. Is

556
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:19.000
it the pivotal moment?

557
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:19.680
Uh?

558
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.160
Amber, what scene you got and tell us why we're

559
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:22.759
talking about it?

560
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:23.880
Uh?

561
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:30.279
For me, it's the Royal uzzy Ari crime spree.

562
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.119
Okay, let me stop you right there, because this is

563
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:38.119
this is amazing. So last week watching Rocky Balboa and

564
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:42.119
talking with Brad Kozo, I'm thinking, man, there's so many

565
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.000
good moments in this movie, but there's one scene I

566
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:46.359
just want to talk about. It's a little scene, but

567
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:48.640
I think it's it's just the best performance in the

568
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.799
whole movie. And I asked Brad to start us off

569
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.119
and then I'll be damned if he doesn't take the scene.

570
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.839
So we just talked about that. You know, I was like,

571
00:31:57.880 --> 00:31:59.799
all right, I just I just I just piled on

572
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:04.200
to everything he had to say. Amber, There's some really

573
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:10.359
meaningful moments in this movie. There's some great interactions between characters,

574
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:12.920
and I left that to you. I was like, yeah,

575
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.119
you know what, I just want to have a fun one.

576
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.359
I'm gonna talk about Royal sneaking the grandkids out and

577
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.519
just doing a bunch of crazy shit that these kids

578
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.799
shouldn't be learning, you know. So okay, let's talk about

579
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:25.640
let's yes, and I love how you call you called

580
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.759
it Royal's crime spree. Yes, it is, it is. He's

581
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.000
they're breaking laws left and right. But let's let's talk

582
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:31.640
about it. Amber.

583
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.160
I'm not talking about dance lessons.

584
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.039
I'm talking about putting a brick through the other guy's windshield.

585
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:44.880
I'm talking about taking it out and chopping it up. Well.

586
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:48.440
I love when he says, like, I can't remember how

587
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:51.519
he phrases it, but he says something like if your

588
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.759
sons like aren't in danger, you're not really raising them, right,

589
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:59.440
And Fel's like that's not a thing, that's not good

590
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:04.000
for anything. I have to see him, you know, just

591
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:08.839
embracing these boys and these boys who are like practically

592
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.480
wrapped in bubble wrap because of their father's trauma. And

593
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:17.240
to see them go out and just live lie, you know,

594
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:19.960
to the absolute extent of living life.

595
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:23.519
They have to be kids around rural what's so fun

596
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:23.920
about it?

597
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:28.319
Just nuts and I just love it.

598
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.240
Oh my gosh, I can't even think of how many

599
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:32.240
lots let's.

600
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:34.359
Say, let's let's let's let's think about some of this stuff.

601
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.359
So he teaches them to cross the street when it

602
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.039
says don't walk. They nearly get hit by cars and

603
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:43.960
he's he's like, it's like he's like dodging them. The

604
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:47.039
big smile on Jean Happen's face as they're running across

605
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.359
the street is priceless.

606
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.920
But like, did you notice though he put himself between

607
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:52.119
the cars and the kids.

608
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:56.920
Yes, uh, he's looking out for him while he's teaching him.

609
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:00.519
The shoplift and the little corner store there. He takes

610
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.200
them to the track dog dog fights.

611
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:03.880
Dog fights?

612
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.319
Were you so worried that, like the snoopy dog was

613
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:08.519
the one that was fighting.

614
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.280
Oh yeah, dog's one.

615
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:11.960
Hundred and ten years old. You can't put him in

616
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:12.320
a fight.

617
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.559
Buckley's not making it out at the end of the years,

618
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.360
but you didn't want you didn't want him in the

619
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:18.760
dog fight?

620
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.480
What is it with Wes Anderson and killing dogs? Like

621
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:22.679
this happens a lot.

622
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:24.559
It does very upset.

623
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:29.519
Now you mention it. You know, most dogs don't don't

624
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:31.800
make it through a whole film of his. And there's

625
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.159
gotta be some kind of trauma that he's expressing, you know,

626
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.480
from from childhood. Maybe maybe he lost a dog and

627
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.159
that's like his way of paying tribute to him. I

628
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.880
don't know. But even when they get back and Ben

629
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:43.440
Stiller is like, where have you been? You know, he's

630
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:46.599
like frantic and he looks I think it's uh it's

631
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:49.840
either Ari or Uzi, which awesome names for these kids,

632
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.559
by the way, but uh, there's specks of blood on

633
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:56.280
his forehead and he's like, what's this. Rule's like, don't

634
00:34:56.280 --> 00:35:03.679
where that's that's that's that's that's dog blood. You know, Hey,

635
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.800
what where have you been?

636
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:09.920
Oh?

637
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:11.559
You just stepped out to get some air.

638
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:14.400
That's that?

639
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.599
Holy shit, that's not what is that? Oh?

640
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:24.079
No, No, that'sh dog's blood. Come here?

641
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:32.199
What you stay away from? My children? Do you understand?

642
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:32.960
My got it?

643
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:34.360
I haven't been in here for years?

644
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:34.639
Hey?

645
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.519
Are you listening to me, Yes, I am, I think

646
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:39.960
you're having a nervous breakdown.

647
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:42.679
So two things I want to say about this scene.

648
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.239
First off, the moment. The reason I wanted to talk

649
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:50.079
about it is because it we have to remember, Royal

650
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.519
is a con artist. He's a he's a he's a grifter,

651
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:56.840
he's he's got a scam and he's always's scaming. Ever

652
00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:00.719
he's scamming his family throughout this movie. But this but

653
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:02.599
the fact that he just wants to hang out with

654
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:05.000
these two little boys and connect with them and be

655
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.679
their granddad. You know what's he say, call me, call

656
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:14.840
me pappy. You know the fact that he's call me mister.

657
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:21.400
But the fact that he's taking the time to spend

658
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:26.480
with these two boys, it shows me that yeah, he's

659
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.280
running a scam, but at the heart of it, his

660
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.039
intentions are pure. He just wants to be back in

661
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:37.239
in his family's life and he wants to experience you know,

662
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.559
these these little boys, their their world, and and and

663
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.239
being their grandfather and having fun with them, teaching them

664
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.480
stuff that their dad won't and that and it, and

665
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:48.440
it all comes to to a head at the end

666
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:50.760
of this scene is so perfect because we've had a

667
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.119
brief bit of fun and we're laughing, and then we

668
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:59.920
go into the board game closet where you know, Chaz explodes,

669
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.159
you know, do you are you listening to me? And

670
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:05.360
then World shouts right back at him, and you know,

671
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.000
it's like, I'm trying, you know, he's trying to teach

672
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.960
Chaz it's okay to be a little reckless. Let these

673
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.159
kids have some fun. So such an awesome moment. I

674
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:20.800
gotta be honest, I had you pegged for a different scene. Yeah,

675
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:22.559
I'm glad. I mean, I'm glad we're talking about this one,

676
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.679
you know, but you know, and I'll cheat, I'll dip

677
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.639
back into last season and just give you a pivot

678
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.840
moment without talking about it. But the whole interaction between

679
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:38.199
Richie and Margo, I think it's is that the Velvet

680
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:40.039
Underground song maybe? Or is that the NCO song I

681
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:45.880
can't remember where Richie cuts his hair and has his accident. Yes,

682
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:50.440
and then they they meet in the tent and they

683
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.320
kind of come to terms with how their life is

684
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:53.880
gonna like, how they're going to be with each other.

685
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:59.199
Very poignant moment, very sad, very it breaks.

686
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:04.159
Your heart for Yeah, but I also love the the

687
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:05.000
tracking shot.

688
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:07.880
Oh gosh, yeah, after.

689
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:12.039
The uh, after the car crash like that. The whole

690
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.199
section to me is just perfect.

691
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:15.760
Like the movie could have ended there. I would have

692
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:18.360
been happy it could have. Yeah, I'm okay with the

693
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:22.920
ending because I love his epitaph, but oh gosh, that

694
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:24.039
tracking shot.

695
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.519
Is I'm a sucker for those anyway. But it's really

696
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:29.119
good Amber.

697
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:33.480
Let's let's run the numbers real quick. It was released

698
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.800
December fourteenth, two thousand and one, estimated budget of twenty

699
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:42.480
one million, with a worldwide gross of seventy one million,

700
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:47.559
four hundred and forty seven seventy nine dollars. Nominated for

701
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:50.760
one Academy Award. You want to take a guess at

702
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.000
which which one it was nominated for.

703
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.880
I don't know. He usually gets nominated for screenplay, so

704
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:57.320
you're that or Hackman.

705
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:03.360
He's nominated for Best Writing. It loses to Gosford Park,

706
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:04.760
Your boy, Altman.

707
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:06.960
You know how much I love that movie.

708
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.920
I do, but I also know how much, uh you

709
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.880
love another nominee. And let's be honest, Uh, could Royal

710
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.719
Tenon Bombs have won it? Yeah? It should have. Could have.

711
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:20.360
Gosford Park should not have but who really should have won?

712
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:24.000
Let me tell you you can see it. Let me

713
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.400
I know, but guess guess what should have won that year? Memento?

714
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:32.000
You're gonna, you're gonna it's.

715
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Not my I love, I know, but he's all my heart,

716
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:36.800
But it's not my favorite.

717
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:41.039
Let the record show that Christopher Nolan was mentioned, and

718
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:46.880
you went, I don't think that'll ever happen again. Moving on? Uh,

719
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.960
The Royal tennim Bombs has a runtime of one hour

720
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:56.000
fifty minutes. Rotten Tomatoes score eighty one percent, IMDb score

721
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.760
seven point six out of ten, and if you're on Letterboxed,

722
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.039
it's a four point one out of five amber. It's

723
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:09.440
Wes Anderson's third feature film. Where do you rank it

724
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:13.480
among his work? M Is it the best? Is it

725
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.000
second best? Third best?

726
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:20.119
And maybe fourth?

727
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.559
I call the World ten of Bombs a masterpiece? And

728
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:30.000
you're saying it's the fourth best Wes Anderson movie. We're gonna, okay,

729
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.880
we're making have you seen hold on Kingdom? Hold on?

730
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:34.840
We're making time of this.

731
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:35.599
Okay.

732
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.880
At the number three if if that's number four, in

733
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:40.800
number three you.

734
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:46.119
Have a Grand Budapest hotel, no thanks, and number two

735
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:51.800
you have fantastic mister Fox and then number one Moon

736
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:52.719
Ri's Kingdom.

737
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.239
Okay, okay, I got I'll say something about moonris Kingdom,

738
00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:03.079
but first we're gonna take one last break. Can't believe you, Lewis,

739
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:03.679
I just can't.

740
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:07.039
I can't believe it. I mean, we say no thank

741
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:08.679
you grand food past.

742
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:11.320
Well, I say no thank you to it. Being ranked

743
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:13.800
above the World tenem bombs is what I say no

744
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.800
thank you to. But we got to move on, all right, Amber.

745
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.880
This is I'm excited to see what you're gonna do here,

746
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:26.119
because this is you have such a huge tendency to

747
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.400
cheat your ass off at this at this question. Every

748
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.880
time we do this one. In the past, we've always

749
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.440
talked about, hey, if someone hadn't seen anything from this director,

750
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:41.719
you know, aside from this movie, what three films would

751
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:44.280
you suggest they watch? And then you find a way

752
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:47.800
to come up with double answers and you know all

753
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.400
your nonsense. But here's how we're doing this now, Amber,

754
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:55.239
this season. Okay, the question is because we've been you know,

755
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:57.599
World tenem Moms. It's a big movie. Everyone knows it, right, Yes,

756
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:04.760
the question is written by, directed by, or starring what

757
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.840
underrated project would you suggest to someone by this director?

758
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:11.559
So this is amber, this is like, it could be

759
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.320
another Wes Anderson film that he directed, It could be

760
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:19.480
something he wrote, it could be if he was in

761
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.800
a film. But the idea, we're flipping the table. So

762
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:26.920
now I want to hear an underrated project that you

763
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.159
think people should check out by Wes Anderson.

764
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:31.480
I don't know, because I don't feel like anything of

765
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:37.119
his is underrated. But I picked The dar Dealing Limited

766
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:39.800
because I feel like not as many people have seen.

767
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:44.599
That one I would agree with that, and I just.

768
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.639
Found it like completely hilarious. And it's another Angelica Houston.

769
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.920
Okay, I think one of his most underrated films. And

770
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.840
keep in mind, this is our This is the second

771
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.639
time we've talked about Wes Anderson. Way back. I want

772
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.800
to say maybe season two, Brad and I covered The

773
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:10.000
Life Aquatic awesome, you know, and truth be told. You know,

774
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:11.960
when you're talking to Sinopisly, you know.

775
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.480
You're talking to me about my like top four or whatever,

776
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.960
like it changes depending on what I most recently watched,

777
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.000
like Moonrise. Kingdom will always be at the top, but

778
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:24.480
it fluctuates because I love them all.

779
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:28.760
Okay, and that's fair because while you could kind of

780
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.800
rotate what the best one is, what the the third

781
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.159
best is, whatever the case may be. I also feel like,

782
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.639
unless you're talking to centophiles, the common going, the you know, public,

783
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.639
the you know, they don't know who you know. Maybe

784
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:44.480
they've seen The Fantastic Mister Fox, but they don't know

785
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:48.400
it's a Wes Anderson film, or maybe they've they they

786
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:50.880
think they saw it, but they're not sure. I think

787
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:55.440
he's got an underrated vibe across all his movies because

788
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.079
you know, they're they're more they're more like art films,

789
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.920
they're more complex, there's more to them. It's not the

790
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:02.679
big blockbuster.

791
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:07.239
I think people kind of misunderstand how accessible they are.

792
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.920
Yeah, so I'll tell you what I'm going with. I'm

793
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.639
going with one that was written by and directed by

794
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:20.000
Wes Anderson and Amber. I'm talking about twenty twelve's Moonrise Kingdom.

795
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:24.599
Thank God. Vibe was telling me you didn't.

796
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:27.000
Like it, and I was, oh, no, no.

797
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:28.519
Oh no, we can't be friends anymore. How do you?

798
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:31.639
How do you not like? Like a silly coming of

799
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:34.760
age romantic comedy about two twelve year olds running off

800
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:38.280
into the Wilderness. It's the movie has so much going

801
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:41.159
for it, and that cast, I mean, because we've got

802
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:44.840
some We've got some of the the Wes Anderson regulars

803
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.559
like Bill Murray, but we also have Francis McDermott, we

804
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.480
got Bruce Willis, Edward Norton, till To Swinton, Edwon.

805
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:56.760
Jordan is so funny in that movie, like, I can't even.

806
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:02.639
Are so good Wes Anderson. I guess he in real

807
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:07.280
life growing up, he was in the Scouts, and regarding

808
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:11.719
Edward Norton's performance, he said, Edward Norton could actually be

809
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:17.280
an Eagle Scout. He's that good. So yeah, great movie, Amber.

810
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:21.840
We recommend the Royal ten and bombs right, Oh my gosh, yes,

811
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:26.400
where'd you Where'd you catch this one? It's it's like

812
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:27.840
you can rent it on most of the platforms.

813
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:31.159
I think, yeah, But actually I was going to rent

814
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.880
it on Prime and it's on sale right now for

815
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:35.639
four ninety nine, so I just bought it.

816
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.440
What a bargain. As I said earlier, I love the film.

817
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:45.000
I happened to own the Criterion Collection's gorgeous two disc

818
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.079
edition that is packed with extras, including that audio commentary

819
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:51.719
that you were listening to on Spotify, there's so much

820
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:52.920
a minute.

821
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.599
Is this the only Wes Anderson you own? Or do

822
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:58.400
you own others? U?

823
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:03.679
This is the only one I own, but I love

824
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:04.039
them all.

825
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:08.199
I think, oh god, I only am a milkshake because

826
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:10.840
we had a back going because we decided it could

827
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:15.840
go either way. Either you hate Wes Anderson and like whatever,

828
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.679
or you love him and you like own them all.

829
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:22.480
And I think you're like more leaning toward yeah them

830
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:24.280
and owning them all. You just don't happen yet.

831
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:30.000
So yeah, exactly. I found out recently that seven of

832
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.119
his movies are in the Criterion Collection, so I figure, like,

833
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:36.719
maybe once a month I treat myself and I grab

834
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:40.119
another one because the next one, the Life Aquatic. I

835
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:43.400
absolutely think that movie was a last want that one

836
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.840
for sure, But yeah, this is one of those. This

837
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:48.639
is one of those directors where I would own. I

838
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.920
would happily own his entire catalog, no doubt about it.

839
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.199
This Friday, we are dropping you a bonus episode. Wayne

840
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:02.079
and David will join me to celebrate John Carpenter's birthday

841
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:07.679
with our top five favorite Carpenter scores. I'm excited about.

842
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:09.199
You cannot wait for this.

843
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.840
Oh my, I'm excited because you know, Wayne and Dave

844
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.440
are like the masters when it comes to this. But

845
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:19.320
this is a situation where Wayne truthfully was like, hey, listen,

846
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.719
I'm I'm not much of a Carpenter guy. I don't

847
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.400
know a lot of his work. And I said, well,

848
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.119
that's too bad, because we're it's his birthday and we're

849
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:31.960
definitely doing one of these awesome composer episodes. So Wayne's

850
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:35.280
idea was, all right, well you love him, Dave loves him.

851
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.800
I'll host, and well, hear what you're going. So I'm excited.

852
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:40.320
I get to I don't have to host this one.

853
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:41.960
I get to I get to share my my my

854
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:47.039
top five. So super excited. Listeners come back, Yes, listeners,

855
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.679
come back this Friday the sixteenth, which is John Carpenter's

856
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.960
actual birthday, and you'll, uh, you'll hear us talk about

857
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:58.519
our top five favorite John Carpenter scores. But next time

858
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:02.199
on a film buy, we'll talking about Ron Howard's two

859
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:07.519
thousand and six thriller The Da Vinci Code. Amber. It's

860
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:09.679
me and you. We're going back to back on you know,

861
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.000
I know you got you got thoughts on Ron Howard,

862
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:14.480
The Din code.

863
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:15.599
I got opinions.

864
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:19.880
Yeah, listeners, if you've seen it, how would you summarize

865
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:21.400
it in five words?

866
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:23.400
Yes? Please God help me.

867
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:28.360
Go to a film byg podcast dot com to give

868
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:31.719
us your answer, or email us at a film by

869
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.119
podcast at gmail dot com. If we use your five

870
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.960
words synopsis on the show, we will shout you out

871
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.199
on the episode and we'll give you some of a

872
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:43.559
film by swag. Please join us on social media. You

873
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.960
can find us on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and x We

874
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:52.000
love interacting with you, sharing opinions, taking your request for

875
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:55.159
future episodes, and debating great movies. Amber is I've Amber.

876
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:58.840
I've seen you on Facebook many times. Someone leaves a

877
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:01.119
comment on our Facebook page and you've You've jumped in

878
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:03.440
there and you know, mix it up with them.

879
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.159
So but always with kindness.

880
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:10.760
Always with yeah, come challenge the voice of reason. I

881
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:18.199
defy you. Oh and one other thing, Amber, we talked

882
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.440
last month. You know we kind of had that that

883
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:25.320
that relaunch of our YouTube page. And I can't remember

884
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:26.960
what episode it was. I should have I should have

885
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:29.760
been saying this in every episode. So I apologize listeners,

886
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.079
but I told everyone, you know, we're we relaunched the

887
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:35.559
YouTube channel, which means you gotta get you know, you

888
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:39.079
gotta build your subs, your followers up, your subscribers. And

889
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:43.639
I told everybody that we're gonna choose one person, the

890
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.719
first one hundred followers, the first one hundred subscribers on YouTube.

891
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:50.519
We're gonna randomly draw one name, and that one name

892
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:56.440
gets a ticket to join the con Men this season

893
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:01.239
at one of the many conventions that we're going to

894
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:05.639
go to. So whether we see you at Scarefest or

895
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.960
Galaxy Con or Steel City Con or horror Hound we

896
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.800
you know, we we got a bunch of them, and

897
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.079
we thought, hey, let's launch this YouTube thing and let's

898
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.840
let's find one of our listeners that wants a free

899
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.360
pass to one of these awesome conventions where you can

900
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:23.880
meet these celebrities. You can talk with these celebrities just

901
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:26.280
like we do. I'm gonna let you know, Amber. You know,

902
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:28.719
at the time that we're recording this right now, I

903
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:34.239
want to say, there's maybe thirty ish spots left before

904
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.159
we hit one hundred. So wow, if you're listening, now's

905
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:41.480
the time. Go to YouTube at a film by podcast

906
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.639
dot com, hit that follow button and check out all

907
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:46.360
all the stuff that we're doing there now. Because we're

908
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:48.599
doing these interviews, like these celebrity interviews, we thought, why

909
00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:50.719
don't we just put why aren't we putting these on YouTube?

910
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.880
Why aren't we sharing these experiences you know, you know,

911
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:57.360
in video format. So that's happening. Amber. It's a new season,

912
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:00.559
and I am happy that you're with us. Happier too.

913
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:03.079
Thank you, hope you hope you enjoyed your vacation because

914
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:06.519
you've got a lot of work coming up. You saw

915
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:11.079
the schedule, so the voice of reason it will be.

916
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:14.440
It will be so to all of you listening to

917
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:17.599
the show, following us on social media, and subscribing to

918
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our Patreon, we thank you.

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