Oct. 30, 2025

Wes Craven - Deadly Blessing

Wes Craven - Deadly Blessing
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Season 6A Film By...

Jeff welcomes the return of his "deadly friends," Chuck Bryan of The Cinematic Flashback Podcast and "Slasher Girl" Amanda Janik to discuss Wes Craven's 1981 folk horror thriller Deadly Blessing!

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So last year on our Patreon are limited nineteen eighty

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six series covered Wes Craven's Deadly Friend. My guests for

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that episode were Amandagantic and Chuck Bryan, two names synonymous

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with horror, and I gotta tell you I was craven

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some more time with these two, so they have returned. So, guys,

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let's talk about another film by Wes Craven, his nineteen

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eighty one underrated folk horror film Deadly Blessing. Hello everybody,

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I'm Jeff Johnson and this is a Film By podcast.

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Let me begin by inviting all of you to check

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out a Film Buy's YouTube channel. It's been there for

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a while, kind of line dormant, but we have just

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dropped our three parts special, which is available now. A

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Film By goes to scare Fest and I gotta tell

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you Each episode is packed with on camera interviews with

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plenty of your favorite celebrities that we're at the event,

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so don't miss it. Please hit that follow button now

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because we also have something in the works to celebrate

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our YouTube launch, but it's only available for the first

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one hundred subscribers.

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Guys, my Deadly Friends, We're back.

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I had so much fun discussing Deadly Friend with you guys,

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and I was so happy when you were like, hey,

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we'll come back next year, We'll do another one, and

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we just what are the chances that it would be

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another Wes Craven film with the word deadly in the title.

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I was like, I hadn't seen this movie, and I

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just said, we're doing it because it's Wes Craven, it's deadly,

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and it's Chuck, it's Amanda, and I'm so happy to

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have you guys back.

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Well, we're definitely seeing a theme going on here.

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We're going to talk about the theme later on towards

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the end here, but before we do that, Amanda, welcome back.

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It's always a pleasure.

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I gotta wonder, are we ever gonna have you on

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where we're not talking about a horror film.

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I don't know if that's gonna happen.

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But maybe probably not.

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It's not probably not right.

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Probably.

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I mean, I can't really think of any other genre

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or specific film that I get it as excited as

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I do about horror.

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I really can't like.

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And you're the slasher girl, so yeah, we got we

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got to have you for these these episodes. A genre

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I like seventies, the gritty movies of the of the seventies, Chuck,

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what can you tell us about the Cinematic Flashback Podcast?

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Yeah, The Cinematic Flashback is a show I host that

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celebrates the wild, bold, and unforgettable films of the nineteen seventies.

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Each episode, my co host and I Matt, we hop

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into the proverbial wayback machine and revisit one classic movie,

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breaking down the cast and crew, just the story behind

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the production, how it performed then and now. And you know,

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we always finish up asking does this film still groove

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or did it kind of lose its beat? So anyways,

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it's part film history, part conversation between friends who just

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love movies. So you'll get a little bit of mix

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of research, trivia and maybe a little humor along the way.

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I happen to love the Cinematic Flashback Podcast. I'll be honest, Like,

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there's there's a couple of movies. I was like, I've

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never heard of this?

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Is it any good?

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And Chuck, you if you said it grooved, it hit

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my it hit my playlist, so nice I have you

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to thank for several I was like, either I've never

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seen it or I've always wanted to see it, and

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you know, and then a couple I was like, well,

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I'm gonna go watch it again because you know, Chuck

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and Matt.

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Have have got my interest piqued. So, guys, we're here

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to talk about Wes Craven.

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I got three facts about Craven and a and a

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and a pretty cool quote befitting.

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The holiday that we're in.

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Let's start off because I know we talked about Wes

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Craven a little bit last time, but this time I

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was surprised to find out he was originally set to

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direct Superman for the Quest for Peace. What you think

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about that for a second, Wes Craven directing a Superman film?

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It didn't happen because you know that that that that

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tried and true excuse in Hollywood, Chuck, you've heard a

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bunch of times creative differences.

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Is this Superman for still being produced by gold Globus,

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the go glob.

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Brothers apparently, so the creative difference is not with them.

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They were actually with Christopher Reeve.

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I don't know what a Wes Craven SUPERMANI film would

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have looked like, but I would have watched I.

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Can tell you right now there would be a bathtub scene.

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There would be a pretty interesting bathtub scene. That is.

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That is absolutely sure.

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I'm sure that guys, are either of you familiar with

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a director named Abe Snake?

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No?

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Okay, uh oh, Chuck, unfortunate trouble. Unfortunately, you sent me

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down a rabbit hole of research on this, and I

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am familiar with it with him. But I'm gonna let

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you talk about.

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That well to anyone, any horror fan. That's like, I've

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seen every West Craven film. I have every West Craven

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film in my collection. Chances are you don't because Abe

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Snake was just one of the fake names that Wes

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used in the seventies when he was directing pornographic films.

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Now that you say that, it's ringing a bell, I

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think I did hear that.

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I I don't know where you would find an Abe

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Snake pornographic film at this point. But you gotta wonder,

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like where people complain like is it just too cinematic?

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Does it?

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You know?

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His shots just too artistic? I don't know. I've never

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never seen.

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A hand coming out of the bathtub.

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Yeah, yeah, why are we in the bathtub again? I'll

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tell you what before all that, though, before his filmmakingy

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career actually took off, he was a teacher and university professor,

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having earned an undergraduate degree in English and psychology, as

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well as a master's degree in philosophy and writing. So

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mister Craven quite the educated man before, well before and

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after his film career. So on scary movies, Wes had

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this short quote to say, horror films don't create fear,

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they release it. I think that's kind of interesting, Like

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it's it's deep, you know. It kind of makes you think,

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because I don't think we go into a movie and

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get scared. I think we just have fears that are

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in us that maybe get unlocked a little bit by

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what we see on the screen for.

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Sure, Like innate things inside every person that you're afraid of,

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the dark, strangers, invasions.

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Snakes, that's okay.

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A farmhouse with open windows at night. That to me,

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this film hit a couple of the things that get me.

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So yeah, it's unleashed.

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Look, this is a very underrated film. This is nineteen

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eighty one. This is Wes Craven before Nightmare on Elm Street.

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Chuck, could you give us a small synopsis about deadly blessing.

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Oh yeah, So it's a film about Martha and her

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husband Jim, and they live on a farm beside a

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group called the hit Sites. Now, the hit Sites are

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an Amish like sect led by Jim's fanatical father Isaiah Yah. So,

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as it goes, Jim is killed in what appears to

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be an accident and Martha is left alone, but she

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is soon joined by her city friends Vicki and Lana.

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So as murders, visions and religious hysteria spread, suspicion turns inward,

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and the final act reveals the true killer, Jeff. One

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thing's clear. When Wes Craven knocks on your farmhouse door,

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don't answer it, because that's not salvation. It's a deadly blessing.

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Very perfect, Chuck, Thank you, Amana. Let's get this out

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of the way. Is this a slasher film?

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Yes, yes, I was.

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I was quite surprised actually when I was watching it.

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I mean I wasn't ready for that, were you.

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No.

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I thought I was gonna be more supernatural, which you know,

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obviously we get a taste of. But yeah, I would

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definitely classify this as a slasher.

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None of us had seen this when we agreed to

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do this, and I gotta tell you I got a

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little nervous at first because Amanda throws a message in

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the chat what the actual f am I watching?

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And I was like, Okay, what's Wes Craven? You know

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it's it's uh, it's Ernest.

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Borgnine, like you know. And then I was out of curiosity.

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I just I just google it and I pull up

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IMDb and the only screen grabs are a naked woman

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at a bathtub provocatively and I was like, oh no,

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what if this is?

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You know?

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And then the film poster like, you know, scantily clad

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girl being you know, with the hands coming down by

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her head. I was like, what if this is some

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you know, erotic horror film, you know, like a what

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have I?

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What have I done? Like, you know, I've asked Chuck

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and a minute to watch this, and I don't know

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what I'm you know, but Amanda that crossing, Yeah, crossing.

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I was a little worried. So, but Amanda, what was it? Chuck?

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You were asking off we're off camera, You're asking like

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what what was what? Manda? What were you watching at

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that point?

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Let me just preface this though by saying I'm not

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good with new movies, which is what I admire about

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you guys that you'll you know, like you.

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Had just said that, Chuck.

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You know, I had started a playlist for you basically,

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have movies you've never seen that you want to see

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or whatever.

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I have a very small attention span.

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I'm always doing something else when I'm watching movies all

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the time, So if it's something unfamiliar or TV shows

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or whatever, I can't do it. Like I still haven't

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even finished the last season at Handmaid's Tale because I

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have to pay attention to it, like and I can't

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do that.

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So I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna sit down. I've got

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to focus on this.

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I've never seen this movie before, and it starts out

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looking like Little House on the Prairie, and I was like,

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I can tell you right now, this is not gonna

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be my jam. This is I thought it was going

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to be more like a period piece. You know, they're

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hoe in the fields down, They've got that ridiculous voiceover

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very ABC Sunday Night movie.

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You know.

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I was like, Oh, this is going to be torch sure,

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And luckily it picked up pretty quickly after that.

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But the beginning was not.

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I know, they were setting the tone, you know, and

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setting the actual setting of.

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The movie to give you world building there, but I

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was not prepared for that. I'm not gonna lie.

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I was like, ooh, I'm so happy that you said

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little House in the Prairie because my first note I'm

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looking at right now opening feels like little House on

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the Prairie until the Jaws narrator drops in, Yeah, and

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then it's like, wait, what just happened? Because he's like,

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in the rolling hills of a simple farm community, untouched

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by time, a gruesome secret has been protected for generations.

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And I was like, okay, well, now you got my

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attention because I don't want to watch the Little House.

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On the Prairie.

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No, no, you know.

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And then this guy pops in with this ominous voiceover,

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and then Michael Berryman's running around, so I was like, okay,

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now you have my attention. I'm all the way in, Chuck.

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What was your thoughts when you started it?

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Well, first of all, the credit sequence Maren Jensen, Okay,

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Athena from Battlestara pickup. I mean, you're I know you're

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going to talk about that. But for me, like my

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ten year old starts coming back out right. And the

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second thing that was just immediately noticeable was James Horner soundtrack.

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So I'm like, well, yeah, we've got something really good here.

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And I was, I was, I was kind of excited.

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I wasn't really sure how it was going to go.

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It was a little it took a little while to

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get started, but then it does pick up definitely.

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I I'm hearing the James Horner score. I know, I'm

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watching a Wes Craven movie, and chuck to your point,

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Athena is on the screen, you know, so yeah again, yeah,

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I'm with you. Ten year old Jeff's like, whoa, hey,

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Athena from Battlestars in this, and you know, and you

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got Ernest.

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Borgnine, who's just terrifying.

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You know, he's he's given off some Reverend Cane vibes

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from Pultar guys to a little bit because he's also

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still he's like, this is nineteen eighty one, so he's

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still big and brutish and looks like he can he

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can whip some ass, you know, like kind of a

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Poseidon adventure.

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Borg Nine absolutely love it.

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To be fair, you guys are talking about your ten

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year old You know and are coming out, and Maren

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came out. I had no idea who she was, but

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my forty eight year old like, oh yeah, very very

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pretty lady.

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Wow.

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I was not ready for for Athena to to disrobe.

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I didn't know that was on the menu. So I

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was like, what, okay.

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You know interesting disappointing to learn that was a body double.

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Well, some of the scenes were a body double and

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some were and you know, who's who's to say who

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it was.

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But Maren Jensen, this is her final film role.

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Career was kind of cut short by illness, but she

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did go on to co found the cosmetics brand Stilla,

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which Chuck the man is not in her head.

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You and I, we don't know what we're talking about,

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but it's shadow. I actually do this, oh you okay, okay, I.

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Know this because my my daughter, my youngest daughter, is

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a makeup artist, and so I asked her about this

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and she told me. She gave me all the information

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about it.

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So it's so it's a popular brand, then that is

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what it sounds like.

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So good it sells well, it's the.

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For okay okay, uh, Now what I I might not

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know about eyeshadow, but I do know that she collaborated

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with Don Henley quite a bit in the early eighties,

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doing some voice work, some some background vocals. Chucks at

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a little bit of piano work for Don Henley.

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Yeah, so it was it was actually, uh, you know,

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she and Don Henley were a couple for quite a

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long time. And if do you remember the song Johnny

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Can't Read So when it kicks into the course, she's

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in the background. That's okay, that's And there was a video,

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not Enough Love in the World, and she composed she's

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appeared in the video for that, and she composed a

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piano intro for his song A Month of Sundays. They

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were they weren't him for a while until they separated

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in eighty six.

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Nineteen eighty six the best year in the eighties, Chuck

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for cinema. As you know, I was surprised to see

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a very young Sharon Stone show up in this movie

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playing her friend Lana Marcus.

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And this is her first speaking role.

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I think she had done one or two other movies

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before this where she's just like in the background hanging out.

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But in Woodie Allen's Stardust Memories, she was like the

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girl on the bus is her credited role for that,

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but she had no speaking wise, this was her first

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credited speaking role. You know that was in a major film.

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Okay, so I know she's got an acting coach on

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set with her. Let's let's we'll be We'll be fair,

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but be firm. How is Sharon Stone in Deadly Blessing?

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I was she just fine?

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Did did you hear the story about like how she

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wanted direction though from Wes Craven.

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No tell okay, tell us Amanda.

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So apparently, because this was her first like you know,

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we'll call it major in quotes roll, she went on there,

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you know, on set and expected the director to be like,

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this is what you're going to do, this is how

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you're going to say this, this is you know, the

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direction you're going to turn whatever, And apparently Wes Craven

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is much more about just creating the atmosphere and letting

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the actors and actresses kind of do their thing. And

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apparently she shut down the production a couple times and

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was like finally screamed at the top of her lungs

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on the set, I need direction here, and Wes Craigan

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basically told her that I'm not your director.

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Whoa, somehow that was smoothed over.

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But yeah, I thought that story was kind of interesting

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because as a first time actress coming on a set

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to a somewhat major movie.

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You know, this is Wes's first big production movie, you know,

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first time he's working with big actors, so he.

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Had big money on this one.

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Yeah. Uh, I don't know, Like I just and I

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know it's her character, but Amanda, I gotta I gotta say, like,

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if if you're inviting you to your your gal palace

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over to cheer you up, maybe Lana should stay home.

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Maybe she she.

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Just shows up with her own bag of issues and

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you know, and box of.

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Wine and box of wine. Yeah, well I think you

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need a box of wine if you're gonna do the

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spider scene. Yeah, okay, now.

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You know I do have a funny comment about that though.

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Yeah.

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Marin Jensen that's her name, right, Yes, So she's on

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screen absolutely stunning. Can you imagine her being like, I

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am the prettiest babe in this movie. And then in

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Walch Sharon Stone.

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Yeah, nineteen eighty one, Sharon stonewaks in. Yeah, yeah, it

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had to be a little bit of a hit.

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But listen, there's there's no unattractive women in this movie

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as far as I'm concerned, none at all. Now, the spider,

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like you watch a movie sometimes, Now, this is nineteen

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eighty one, so we're thinking, there's no cgi, this is

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practical effects. But how are they doing this? And Amanda,

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I know you're not a fan of this this moment,

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but we gotta we gotta address it because there's a

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spider and let's i don't know what, like a tarantula.

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Basically it drops down and go and right into her mouth.

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And I'm like, okay, how do they do that? And

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it turns out Wes, you know, Sharon sounds like I'm

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not doing that, sure, And Wes picks up the spider

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and tries to show her like, hey, it's it's gentle,

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it's it just looks scary, you know. And he's like

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kind of holding it and petitent, and she's like, no,

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I'm not doing it unless you remove its teeth. Now

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it's nineteen eighty one, and Wes says, yeah, we will,

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We'll remove the spider's teeth, and then she agrees to

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do it. I think he's just full of shit, though, Like,

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are you telling me that they had a spider operation

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and had this thing like, yeah, do you call a

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spider dentist or you know.

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Like Hermie came in from uh readinose ring dear and

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pulled that those teeth right away.

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You know, there's not enough money in the world, not

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enough money in the room.

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She did it.

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Uh.

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I just I don't know.

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I just don't know that we're even a movie like this.

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I just you know, it's got a little bit of

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money behind it. But I don't think we're calling in

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a spider dentist to remove the tarantula's teeth. I just

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I think she I think she got bamboozled by Bye

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by Wes Craven. Let's talk Susan Buckner. She's the other

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friend Vicky Anderson. I don't know anything about this woman.

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Guys.

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I know she was Miss Washington in nineteen seventy one,

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and I know she played Patty Simcox in Greece with

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Travolta and Olivie Newton John. Other than that, Chuck, you're

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the seventies guy. Any what do we know about Vicky

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Anderson anything?

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My my hit on her was gonna be for grease, That's

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what I am from.

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But stole your thunder.

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No, that's fine.

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I'll tell you what.

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What's surprising though, the one, the one thing I did

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uncover the whole time she's doing this, I think about

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this out of all of them.

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She's a little physical. She's got you know, with the.

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Car wreck and you know, she's running around, she's you know,

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she's jogging the whole time.

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She's pregnant the whole time, she's she's shooting this movie.

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So god, I think that's a little bit dangerous.

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You know, I don't know, but I liked her though.

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I thought I liked the character.

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Yeah, she did.

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I feel like she's like, you know how everybody says, like, oh,

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it's that guy when you see somebody in a movie,

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you know you've seen them before. She can't think of

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where I watched it the first time, and I'm like.

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It's that girl. It's that girl.

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She's been a ton of stuff and to come to

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find out, Nope, nope, not really.

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So she just has that face.

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I guess that she's got the look.

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Yeah that looks familiar.

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But yeah, I you know, Amanda, you you've you've you've

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told us this is a slasher and the unfortunate thing

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in slasher films are that a lot of people are

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not gonna make it to the end, and I'm watching it,

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I'm like, I hope she makes it to the end.

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I mean she doesn't, but you know, did like here,

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I was so happy to see uh, the guy she's

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smitten with, Jeff East playing the younger brother of Maren's husband.

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Uh, he's John Shitt, John Schmidt, Schmidt Schmidt not Yeah, sorry, Jeff.

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I as soon as I saw his face, I knew

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exactly who it was, though you guys recognized him of course.

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Oh yes, that guy can kick a football like nobody's business.

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Yeah I can.

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Yeah, young Clark Kent from the nineteen seventy eight Superman.

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I thought that was awesome, absolutely awesome. Moving right along though,

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because I you know, we.

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Could talk about all we can talk about the.

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Whole Hea tight family, I'm sure, but two people and Chuck,

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if I've if I if I'm missing someone, you you

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let me know, Amanda. If I'm missing out on someone,

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you gotta tell me. But we got to talk. We

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already mentioned him.

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Ernest Bord nine as Isaiah Schmidt the Elder. Mm hmm,

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I don't know.

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Has has he ever played a bad guy. Is this

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the only time he's played a bad guy?

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Oh, I'm sure he's played bad guys before.

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I don't know.

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I just I always think of him. I think of

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Escape from New York. I think, you know, the Poseidon Adventure.

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He's always, he's always, he's a he's a cool dude.

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Yeah, we covered him on Poseidon Adventure, and that that

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was what was coming in my mind.

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But I thought, I.

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Thought in this film, Yeah, the term chewing up the

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scenery kind of describes the performance because when he's on,

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you know, he he he's a force on the screen,

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and you know it, it's kind of turning off because

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of the way that they're you know, always accusing uh

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people of being the incubists or you're the Herald or

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the you know, you're in league with the incubus.

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Hell fired to the Incubus.

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Turns out he wasn't wrong.

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Well yeah, I mean, Amanda, our guy, Isaiah, he's he

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was he had the right idea, right right. I think

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this is just classic misdirection. You know, we're supposed to

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be scared of him, but.

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Well it's one hundred percent misdirection if you watch the

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whole movie.

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I mean, I think it's fascinating he was actually nominated

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for a Razzie for that role.

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I think he won.

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I think really, I didn't think it was bad, like

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I don't think like.

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Okay, so Chuck's talking about chowing up the senior and

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you're saying he was nominated for a Razzie Award. Oh,

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I hope he didn't win. I don't know what would

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have been. Well, I don't know who he's up against.

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But you know, very classic, Amanda, to know he was

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nominated for a Razzie but not know if you want

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or not.

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So sorry to disappoint your listeners.

477
00:23:57.559 --> 00:23:57.960
I want to.

478
00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:00.240
I want to believe that he was nominated but but

479
00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:02.960
but lost, because this is not a bad performance.

480
00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:05.240
Yeah, Chuck, Chuck's right, he he.

481
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:07.079
Kind of he dials it up a little bit, but

482
00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:09.319
I think you have to when you're the elder of the.

483
00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:12.839
That's his character, right, Yeah, and the.

484
00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.640
Fictional Amish community that he's in, you know.

485
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:19.559
And it's he's evoking a response. Yeah, from the viewers

486
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:23.440
who are watching him. You're you're meant to root against him,

487
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:26.880
And like you said, it is a bit of a misdirection.

488
00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:29.640
There's a lot of misdirection there's a lot of misdirections.

489
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:31.440
We'll we'll get the we'll get the few of them.

490
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:34.440
But misdirection it is.

491
00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:38.960
You're not wrong, now, Craven. I mean, I think you'll.

492
00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:42.640
Appreciate this as the slasher Girl. Craven likened working with

493
00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:46.279
borg nine to Carpenter working with Donald Pleasants on the

494
00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:49.720
original Halloween, saying that borg nine was the first big

495
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:51.920
name actor he had worked with, and he was very

496
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:55.240
intimidated the whole time. Okay, you know that makes sense,

497
00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:58.079
Like you got to think like Carpenter when he's making Halloween.

498
00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:01.799
The only known actor is Donald Pleasance, and they're like,

499
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:03.839
there are a bunch of kids around him, and they're like, eh,

500
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.599
mister Pleasants. And Wes Craven's in the same boat, you know,

501
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:09.920
he's he had dune hills have eyes at this point.

502
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:12.359
But there's no big stars, you know. So and now

503
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:17.400
you've got Academy Award winning Ernest borgnine. You know, I

504
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:20.200
think it was Marty in fifty five.

505
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:24.640
Maybe you got Ernest borgnine on your on your set,

506
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.920
So yeah, I could see that he'd be a little intimidated.

507
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:29.480
Well do you think that that was kind of done

508
00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:32.599
by design to following Halloween's model.

509
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.519
I think. So, I mean there's let's.

510
00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:37.400
One big recognizable name.

511
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:40.039
Yeah, I mean Amanda. Let's be honest.

512
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:41.960
There's there's a couple of different things that we're gonna

513
00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:44.400
that we see in this movie that's like, oh, I

514
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.519
saw that in this movie, and you know, and then

515
00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:49.319
one in one case and we'll we'll get to it.

516
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:52.240
But uh, you know something that we'll see again, uh

517
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:55.759
with with West. But yeah, borgnine is awesome in this

518
00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.880
Uh actually got thrown from a horse, busted his head

519
00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:01.920
over and they took him to the hospital. Three days

520
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.240
later he's back on set to finish the movie. So

521
00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.440
he's a tough guy. He's a very tough guy. One

522
00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.720
last guy I want to talk about before we before

523
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:15.720
we move on, one of my favorite guys, Michael Berriman

524
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:17.559
playing William.

525
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:20.240
Gluntz God Glunts. Yeah.

526
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:24.000
This is his second of four Wes Craven films. He

527
00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:27.079
does Hills in seventy seven, He's Got Deadly Blessing in

528
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:29.960
eighty one, and then he does Invitation to Hell and

529
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:34.599
Hills Have Eyes Part two in nineteen eighty four. What

530
00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:36.240
I love about him in this movie is this is

531
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:37.680
his first I feel like this is one of the

532
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.200
first movies where he's he's not playing this scared I

533
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.640
get it, miss again misdirection. He's playing someone that we

534
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.519
are we think we should be scared of. But he's

535
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:48.839
not a bad guy. And I love the fact that

536
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:51.799
Michael Berman gets to to kind of, you know, show

537
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:53.960
his acting chops. He gets to he gets a lot

538
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.279
of dialogue in this, and.

539
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:58.799
He's you know, he's he's a tragic character as far

540
00:26:58.799 --> 00:26:59.559
as I'm concerned.

541
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.200
It's kind of the the guy who's still you know,

542
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.759
he's he's an adult, but but he still has kind

543
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.079
of he's kind of a kid at the same time.

544
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:12.160
Yeah, he's he's curious, but also you know it's gonna

545
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.240
get him in trouble obviously, but he he doesn't, he

546
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:15.920
doesn't mean bad.

547
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.599
He there's no ill will with this guy. He's just

548
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:20.960
he's a terrible liar.

549
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.839
You know, you think about their mud on the shoe,

550
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.240
you know, before you you tell your dad that I

551
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:29.920
lost the other shoe and the mud. But Michael Barreman

552
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:35.119
is so he's a He's a really interesting actor to

553
00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:37.240
just look at. So when you see him, you never

554
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:43.279
forget him. And we reviewed one Flew Over the Cuckoo's

555
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:47.000
Nest earlier this year, and when Michael Barrriman appears in

556
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:49.480
that film, it's just like, all of a sudden, it's like,

557
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:52.400
wait a minute, He's not gonna hurt anybody here, you know.

558
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.000
So he's had a he has a good film to

559
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:59.000
start off with, and then you know he's made his career,

560
00:27:59.359 --> 00:27:59.559
you know.

561
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.960
Since Yeah, he is such an amazing guy.

562
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.880
We actually last weekend we had the chance to talk

563
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.359
with him at Scarefest, and I.

564
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:12.359
Know the whole interview.

565
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:16.359
Again, I mentioned our YouTube special film that goes to Scarefest.

566
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:19.519
You can see the whole interview there, but I did

567
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.119
want to give you this clip. He had a fun

568
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:24.240
story about his time on Deadly Blessing.

569
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.480
If we could talk about another performance William Gluntz nineteen

570
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:34.079
eighty one's Deadly Blessing. This is your second time working

571
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:38.880
with Wes Craven. Any fond memories from that film.

572
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:45.839
Yes, we filmed in Texas. I was one of Sharon

573
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:46.920
Stone's first movies.

574
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:48.319
Oh that's right, chance, don't you.

575
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.400
My girlfriend at the time was a Texas blonde athletic

576
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.759
and a lot of legs. I just a real sweetheart,

577
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:57.880
and she didn't like the idea of being around all

578
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:02.559
these hussies. So I was getting my work done. It

579
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:06.319
was a great work for his West again and what

580
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:09.599
I mean the film was wonderful to work on. But

581
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.799
some of the other actresses showed up in a place

582
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.680
where we were hanging out as a tenth and she

583
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.319
had a one of them had a water bottle and

584
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.119
she looks looking at me and she goes, could you

585
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:27.160
open this, open this for me please? Now my girlfriend

586
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.680
has her hand on my thigh. I feel the claws

587
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.039
and I'm thinking, uh, I have to say the right

588
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:35.759
thing or I'm going to get in trouble here. So

589
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.839
what I did was I said, well, you have to

590
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.359
snap it like you ring in the neck of a chicken.

591
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:43.200
I got points for that.

592
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:45.279
Yeah.

593
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.440
Michael Berryman awesome guy. Definitely you got to go check

594
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.359
out that that. Yeah, he's amazing. Yeah, he's he's got

595
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:57.240
some fun stories. Let's talk about this film's background. You know,

596
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.599
as you heard, as you heard, mister barrym and they

597
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:04.640
were shooting this in Dallas, you know, Dallas, Innis and

598
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:09.000
and Waxahachie, Texas. Uh So, to create the look of

599
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.720
the film, Craven said he was inspired by Philip Wiley's

600
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:17.000
books in Van Goes's paintings to get like that houses

601
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:21.480
lined up farm, you know, American Gothic look. I don't

602
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.279
know if I'm thinking Van go for American what don't

603
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.920
you like Rockwell? Maybe or I mean I'm not the

604
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:27.440
art major.

605
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:32.359
Yeah, but you know so. The cinematographer on this film

606
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.319
was Robert Jessup, and his credentials included Smoky in the Bandit.

607
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:42.839
I think between Jessup and James Horner, they really elevated

608
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:45.799
the look in the sound of this film, and I

609
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.839
think it maybe held up some of the story a

610
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:50.880
little bit as well.

611
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:56.759
Horner's score is fantastic. It definitely gives this movie a

612
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.720
little more gravitas. Chuck, I know you're a big Horner fan.

613
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.759
You know our very own Wayne Whited is.

614
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:05.720
A huge James Horner fan.

615
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.799
I asked Wayne, I said, look, what can you tell

616
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.279
us about Horner's work on Deadly Blessing? Yeah, this is

617
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:26.000
a Wayne take it away.

618
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.960
James Horner's score for Deadly Blessing is one of his

619
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.839
earliest works, and though it is often overshadowed by his

620
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.720
later triumphs, it offers a fascinating glimpse into a composer

621
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.720
who would soon become one of the divining voices of

622
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:44.839
film music in the nineteen eighties and beyond. The film itself,

623
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.039
a Wes Craven directed horror story about an isolated religious

624
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:53.160
community and mysterious deaths, provided Horner with the opportunity to

625
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:58.559
experiment with atmosphere, tension, and musical textures. His work here

626
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:02.359
is raw, experiment and at times abrasive, but it lays

627
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.279
the groundwork for some of the stylistic hallmarks he would

628
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:11.039
refine in his later career. Director Wes Craven and producer

629
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:15.799
Patricia Kershevik originally wanted composer Jerry Goldsmith to score the

630
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.519
film based on the success of his score for the

631
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.759
film The Omen, but the Oscar winning composer was well

632
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:25.160
out of their price range. In came James Horner, who

633
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.680
was only twenty seven years old at the time and

634
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.160
who had just completed his score for the film Wolfen

635
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.559
at this time, replacing the rejected score that Craves Safean

636
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:38.039
did for the film. Horner was very aware of the

637
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.799
producer's love for The Omen, and being a great admirer

638
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:44.559
of Goldsmith's work. Horner did his best to evoke the

639
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:48.759
feel and style of that earlier score. One of the

640
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.440
most striking aspects of the score is Horner's use of

641
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:56.079
dissonance and sound designed elements to evoke unease. Rather than

642
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.720
relying on lush themes and romantic motifs, he leans heavily

643
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:05.839
on eerie string clusters, sharp brass stabs, and unsettling percussive rhythms.

644
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:11.319
The score doesn't always flow melodically. Instead, it creeps and jolts,

645
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:16.359
mirroring the unpredictable nature of the film suspense. Often, Horner

646
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.480
plays with silence and sudden bursts of noise, which just

647
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:21.880
enhances the atmosphere and keeps a listener in a state

648
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:26.599
of heightened anxiety. Some of the highlight cues that Hornered

649
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.920
created for Deadly Blessing includes the fantastic piece used for

650
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:35.160
the main title, which he immediately sets up broading unsettling atmosphere,

651
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.839
using low strings, eerie, sustained chorus, and unsettling clusters to

652
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.480
create a sense of dread. The influences from the Omen

653
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:48.359
are extremely prevalent here. The cue Martha and Jim is

654
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:52.079
a quiet, sweet interlude that shows Horner's early mastery of

655
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:56.960
the orchestra. Warm strings and a flowing, sweet theme contrasts

656
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.119
nicely with the horror material that lies ahead.

657
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.519
Next is Jim's death.

658
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:06.480
With Tractor, one of the film's more cinematic horror moments,

659
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:10.719
with Horner moving from slow dread to violent orchestral outbursts

660
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.639
in choir, and is very similar in style and sound

661
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:17.280
to one of the composer's later action horror projects Aliens

662
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.920
For fans looking for the ultimate horror queue, the track

663
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:26.000
Gluntz's Demise is a perfect example. Horner presents a longer

664
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:30.599
and more developed look into his own terrifying style, creating

665
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.519
a full arc of suspensible music which builds to tear

666
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:40.039
to release, laying choir, percussion and string clusters. There's even

667
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.400
a touch of Craig Huxley's blaster Beam, made famous with

668
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:46.880
Goldsmith's score to Star Trek the Motion picture. This is

669
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:51.000
Horner at his scariest, an example of a musical haunted house.

670
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.480
The queue Snakes in the Bath is an extended suspense

671
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.840
piece with sustained tension and a clever use of orchestral

672
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:03.079
shocks to bring out the best effect. Another later cue,

673
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.519
Faith leaps out is pure James Horner at his finest

674
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:10.519
and most ambitious, highlighting many of his musical fingerprints heard

675
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.880
so many times in his later films, A perfect mixing

676
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.159
of choir an orchestral frenzy, building up the tension to

677
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:22.559
a climax, highlighting the character of Faith and her demise. Then, finally,

678
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.400
there is the final cue of the film, the encabus

679
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.760
rises and end credits, concluding the film with a return

680
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.119
to the choral chanting and a disturbing string version of

681
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:37.440
the pastoral theme, all based around a chilling piano under theme. Now,

682
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.559
I will truly admit Deadly Blessing is not an easy

683
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:44.559
album to listen to. This is music designed to unsettle,

684
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.960
and its effectiveness lies more in the ability to sustain

685
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:53.679
tension rather than providing an enjoyable listening experience. Deadly Blessing

686
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:56.440
didn't receive a soundtrack release back in nineteen eighty one

687
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:59.760
when the film was released, with the exception of a

688
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:03.000
low quality bootleg released back in the nineteen nineties which

689
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:06.199
paired the score with another of Horner's unreleased early scores.

690
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.199
Wolfin film music and horror fans would have to wait

691
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.880
a long time before the official release of this score,

692
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.760
It wouldn't be until June of twenty twenty three before

693
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:17.639
it would see the light of day in the form

694
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.000
of a special collection volume from Intrada Records containing the

695
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.599
complete score, mastered from the only surviving set of a

696
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:29.639
quarter inch two track stereo elements. This release contains a

697
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.400
few extra pieces, including an earlier take of the queue

698
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:35.280
snakes in the bat and a later revised version of

699
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.719
the end titles, which Horner had rescored the final few

700
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:42.280
seconds to the piece Dave included. The music used for

701
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:46.000
the trailer for the film, composed not by Horner but

702
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.239
by the incredible John Beal, best known for scoring the

703
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.800
hit TV series Happy Days Lavernon Shirley in eight is Enough.

704
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:55.719
Beal is a well known composer of trailer music from

705
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.880
nineteen seventy seven to two thousand and seven and wrote

706
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:02.239
trailer music from films ranging from Titanic to Star Wars,

707
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.559
Planted the Apes to a Laddin, even Police Academy in JFK.

708
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:11.320
It's a great addition to an already fantastic soundtrack. Ultimately,

709
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.480
Corner's Deadly Blessing soundtrack remains his curiosity in his career

710
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:20.079
a bold, somewhat abrasive work that reveals this early mastery

711
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:25.239
of orchestral color and psychological manipulation. It may lack the

712
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.960
sweeping emotional resonance of his later achievements, but as a

713
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:33.880
horror score, it is both effective and historically significant. For

714
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:38.159
listeners willing to embrace the unsettling qualities, it offers a

715
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:41.480
fascinating window into an early development of one of cinema's

716
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:42.960
most celebrated composers.

717
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.960
Well they have it, Wayne, Listen.

718
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:51.920
We look at the schedule, and I'm always assuming that

719
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.840
Wayne's going to go after like more well known movies.

720
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:58.119
But when he saw Deadly Blessing, he went, oh, I'll

721
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.320
do that. I was like, no, you won't. You don't

722
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.360
know anything about Deadly Blessing. It's a Wayne doesn't like

723
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:04.119
horror films. And he's like.

724
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's like, no, that's a James

725
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:12.000
Horner score. I'm in so so Wayne, We thank you

726
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.880
for that crazy crazy uh Wayne Whited fact for you

727
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:19.280
I learned just this past weekend at Scarefest. At one

728
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:25.440
time Wayne was related to Wes Craven kind of like

729
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.639
a kind of like a dark helmet, like your brother's

730
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:32.280
sisters cousins kind of thing. But Wes Craven what you know,

731
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.480
he's he's from Cleveland, Ohio. So and that's where you

732
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.320
know our show, you know, originates from his Ohio.

733
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:40.480
Not not Cleveland, but but Ohio. Yeah.

734
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:42.639
Wayne just casually drops us on me and David at

735
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.920
Scarefest and I'm like, huh what And we've known the

736
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.119
guy twenty thirty years. I'm like, you're you were related

737
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.599
to Wes Craven through through maryg He's like, yeah, he's

738
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.639
a nice guy, Like he went to like Wayne's going

739
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:58.639
to family reunions and there's Wes and they're hanging out.

740
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:02.119
And Wayne just never thought to tell us any of this,

741
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:04.039
you know, until season six.

742
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.639
So you know, Wayne, thank you for that.

743
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.239
Wayne has so much knowledge. I mean, he's probably forgotten

744
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:13.800
more than I've ever known, So it doesn't surprise me.

745
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:15.280
I know, I know.

746
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.920
Listen, guys, let's take a quick break and when we

747
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.400
get back, there's a couple scenes. I know, we got

748
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:27.920
to talk about welcome Back. I've got Amanda Janic, I've

749
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:32.880
got Chuck Bryan. We're talking about Wes Craven's nineteen eighty

750
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.880
one I'm ash horror film, Deadly blessing.

751
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.159
Guys. I'm not gonna do like the whole pivotal.

752
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:42.280
Moment thing because it's it's a horror film, it's a slasher,

753
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:44.199
and we don't need to worry about pivotal moments. But

754
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.440
there are some crazy scenes that I definitely want to

755
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:47.960
talk about.

756
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:52.119
How'd you guys feel about the John Deere tractor murder?

757
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:58.199
Who No, I thought like, okay, you got that pair

758
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.559
there there are final girl.

759
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:03.000
Yeah. I thought Jim was gonna.

760
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:06.800
Make it that one threw me for a loop, didn't.

761
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:11.039
I was going I was surprised with Jim. I honestly,

762
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:14.360
I agree with you. They set it up perfectly. They

763
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.679
pulled the old what is it, the old Alfred Hitchcock

764
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.440
thing where they introduced like you think is going to

765
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:21.920
be the star. You start to invest in them, you know,

766
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.280
you get a little bit of a connection, you know,

767
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:27.840
because he's speaking with the the midwife lady next door

768
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:32.719
that and so you're you got all the feels and

769
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:33.920
then crunch.

770
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.559
Yeah, I'm like, okay, not not a good look for

771
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:39.199
John Deere.

772
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:42.880
It's such a what a what a way to go

773
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:46.519
right to be crushed? I mean that that is just

774
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:50.079
because because you're still there, right, yeah.

775
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.440
You're yeah, you're that's not that's not a quick death.

776
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.320
No again.

777
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.679
You know, Amanda, you talked about the misdirection that is

778
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.079
constantly going through this movie, which makes it, which makes

779
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.440
it a good you know, a good slasher.

780
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:04.599
You're always like who who did it?

781
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.719
Like, unless it's not, unless it's Nightmare on the Street

782
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:10.079
three Dream Warriors and you know, Freddy Krueger's back. You know,

783
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.199
a movie like this where you're like, who's the killer?

784
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:17.719
Who's who's responsible? Speaking of that, back to Michael Berryman,

785
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:24.360
he gets knifed, you know, while peeping on on Athena

786
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.440
from Battlestar Galactica. I didn't see that happening because at

787
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.719
that point, I'm like, Berryman, he's he's a bit of

788
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:31.119
a creep.

789
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:32.440
I think he's.

790
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:34.760
I didn't see it happening because at that point we're

791
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:36.920
being led to believe that it's one of the hit tights,

792
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:38.519
So why would they be taking out.

793
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:42.239
Their own exactly? And I'm like, well, wait, you know,

794
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:44.039
is it is it?

795
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:46.920
Isaiah? Is it Ernest borgnine kind of teaching this kid

796
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:47.360
a lesson?

797
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:48.920
Is it?

798
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.679
And then and the big shock for me is I

799
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.679
mean he has done total slasher style, you know, with

800
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.400
the with the slashing. I was like, okay, so wait

801
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.000
this is is this a slasher movie?

802
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:00.320
Is that?

803
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.360
Because I man like you, I'd like, I'm thinking, we're

804
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:07.320
watching a supernatural horror film, religious supernatural horror film, and

805
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.800
it's it's not that. Now we're we're on a different

806
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:14.239
path and now it's okay, who's the killer and we're

807
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:15.039
just along for the ride.

808
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:16.760
But that was one of the death blow too, and

809
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:23.239
that was very Giallo, like the Italian style. Yeah, we're

810
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:25.639
in the gloves, they got the knife. You know, there's

811
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:30.280
red in the frame and all that. So slasher, yes,

812
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.199
but that one, I mean that one reminded me a

813
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:38.440
little more Giallo style, which is slasher, but the way

814
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:39.639
that death was carried out.

815
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.920
Yeah, But you know, Jeff, there are two characters we

816
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:47.119
haven't spoken about in our rundown, and I kind of

817
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:52.239
alluded to the neighbors. Yeah. So there there's Louisa and

818
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:53.239
her daughter Faith.

819
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:55.079
They're pretty they're pretty important.

820
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:58.679
Yeah, they're farmers. They're not farmers. The mother, you know,

821
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.480
works works at the diner, I think, and Faith apparently

822
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:07.360
collects eggs and paints yeah, a lot. And so they're

823
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.000
they're the they're the neighbors. Poor Faith. She's the the

824
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:17.559
object of Michael Berryman's haunting, you know, and you know

825
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.840
he destroys her painting set at the very beginning. But

826
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:25.039
you know she's the she is the Laura Ingles, if

827
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:26.880
you will, of the beginning of this.

828
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.480
Film definitely starts out Laura Ingles. Definitely does not end

829
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:36.920
up Laura Ingles. No, yeah, listen, are we gonna I

830
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:39.480
know that some people might be watching this on on

831
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.639
to B or Pluto when when the time comes, But

832
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.800
are we are we are we staying spoiler free just

833
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:48.639
for for that? Or are we are we just gonna

834
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:50.039
chat about chat it up? What do you guys?

835
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.559
How do we How do you stay spoiler free?

836
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.480
Like I don't know that you can? And plus it's

837
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:57.079
it's nice ones.

838
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:01.320
You've had your chance, right listen, listener's hit pause, go

839
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:03.239
watch it if you don't want anything spoiled for you

840
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:03.760
because uh.

841
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.440
Also, you're listening to a podcast about a movie you

842
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.159
haven't seen, then that's on you.

843
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:10.840
Yeah, yeah, you do you do what you're gonna do.

844
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:17.199
So, yeah, Faith starts off the movie Laura Ingles finishes it.

845
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.559
Lou Ingles just coming.

846
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.119
What was her brother's name, Adam. I don't know Adam,

847
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:29.800
but the thing right off the bat was her mom, right, Luise,

848
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.519
She's like already like you see her kind of like, oh, no, boys, whatever,

849
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.199
I hope you have a girl, you know, boys or

850
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:38.960
nothing but trouble. And at first you're just kind of

851
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.320
thinking in your mind, well, maybe it's because she's just

852
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.280
dealt with these hit tights and they're just all jerks,

853
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:51.400
you know, to everybody. But yeah, no, she she tries

854
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.679
to hide a secret that gets revealed at the very

855
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:55.519
end of the film.

856
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.880
Well, yeah, because it's I did not see the Sleep

857
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.760
Camp reveal hitting the way it did.

858
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.079
I was, and I was a little confused at first.

859
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:05.800
I was like, why would you?

860
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:10.519
Yeah, thank you, because seriously, again going back to my

861
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:14.559
attention span, I'm in and out while I'm watching this,

862
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.519
and I saw her hit the ground. I mean, I

863
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.000
don't know if we're talking about that exact scene yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

864
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.440
but I didn't pay that close of attention to understand

865
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:25.400
what just happened.

866
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:27.880
All I was like, when they were wrestling, why, all

867
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:29.119
of a sudden is our shirt open?

868
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:30.519
Right, I'm with you.

869
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:34.719
So my first thought was and I don't I don't

870
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:35.920
want to be mean, but I.

871
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:37.679
Was just like, okay, well why would you? Why does

872
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:39.960
her shirt need to be open? Especially if she's not

873
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.199
maybe she's not built, you know.

874
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:45.800
A certain way. And then I and then it hits me.

875
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:48.440
I was like, wait, that she's not a girl.

876
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.679
Like and then I'm full on this like superwoy camp mode.

877
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:53.400
I'm like, oh, okay, now I see what's going on.

878
00:45:53.440 --> 00:46:00.000
And that leads me to her momma, Amanda, how much

879
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:00.840
the boy?

880
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:03.079
How much of Yeah?

881
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:06.760
But when you think back though, Amanda, her mom, how

882
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.239
how much missus Vorhees is she given off?

883
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:11.960
When you when you think back to it, Oh, totally

884
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.079
total hold on Pamela Vorhees.

885
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.320
She has one of my three favorite lines in this

886
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:21.719
movie when she talks about if Faith was born a boy,

887
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:26.559
she would have thrown her into the creek like a cat. Yeah,

888
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.000
like what, like you don't do what to cats, don't

889
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:30.039
do that to babies?

890
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.360
Like So at the end, retrospectively, looking back, there were

891
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:36.639
some lines that it was like, Okay, this woman's not

892
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.519
not all there, not all there.

893
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:43.360
Yeah, we've we've definitely got some Friday thirteenth happening in this.

894
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:45.840
We've got a whole lot of Sleepway camp happening in this.

895
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:50.119
Yeah, very protective mom, you know, sounding and that's why

896
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.159
you think. Okay, maybe halfway through it was like, oh,

897
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.320
that's she's got to be the killer. She has to

898
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:58.079
be like, she's far too protective, like you said, missus Vorghees.

899
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:01.800
I give you credit because I didn't see it coming.

900
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:04.119
I was like, oh my gosh, you know, because like

901
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:05.920
I was feeling a Pamela eye.

902
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:07.719
But then I didn't. I was like, well, we're not

903
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.679
going to do that. And then we did that, and

904
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.480
I was like, this is straight up for thirteenth, Like

905
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:16.079
Wes was cribbin a little bit of Sean Cunningham. As

906
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:17.960
far as I'm concerned, I have.

907
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:18.920
A question for you.

908
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:21.320
Yeah, okay, let's see it.

909
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.320
Okay, So you have a very straight I mean, I

910
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:26.320
don't want to say a straightforward I mean, there's a

911
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.800
lot of misdirection here, but it is. It is a

912
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:32.960
good horror film where you know, there is a mystery

913
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:34.719
that happens, which is part of what the fun of

914
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:38.039
the film is. But there's also a supernatural element to

915
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:43.880
this question. Did this supernatural element happen or was that

916
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.599
all just a figment of their imaginations? Not talking about

917
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.920
the what you know John Peters put in there at

918
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:54.400
the very end. But I mean, just like all of

919
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:58.440
Lana's stories about hearing the man whispering in her ear

920
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:00.960
and the hands coming down like you see on the poster.

921
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:02.599
By the way, the poster is awesome.

922
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:04.280
Oh, poster is very awesome.

923
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.960
If you've got to go and look at the poster

924
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:11.400
for it, it's it's really good. And yes, but you

925
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:13.480
know you have the hands that are kind of coming out.

926
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:19.360
So there is so just a We talked about an

927
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:23.360
incapus right a couple of times, so from a I

928
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:25.599
don't know if Wes Craven was meaning all of this,

929
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.800
but just being the dungeons and Dragons nerd that I am.

930
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:33.880
And Incabus is a is like a demon. Yeah, it's

931
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:37.039
a male demon and he comes to women at night

932
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.280
and in their sleep and they get it on. Okay,

933
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:48.119
A Suckabus is a female version of an Incabus, So okay.

934
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:51.360
So Glant says it wrong, like he's shouting out incubus,

935
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.039
but he should have been shouting out Suckubis.

936
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:58.199
Then well, the incabus obviously I think is a real

937
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:03.039
spiritual thing at the end, But calling Faith an incabus

938
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:05.679
or accusing her of being in league with or whatever,

939
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.000
it turns out he's right, he's.

940
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.480
Right, you know, Yeah, Michael Barman is right.

941
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:14.639
Yeah, they were right all along. But Mike, I still

942
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.599
feel that this this film is playing two ways. I

943
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.440
think there is you know, there's obviously there's a supernatural element.

944
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:22.480
It gets revealed at the end. So that makes me

945
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.079
think that anything with Lana when she's asleep, that that

946
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:33.000
is that is actually the real incubus. And then all

947
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:36.239
the things that are happening outside in the physical world

948
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:40.760
during daylight or you know, in the evening but not

949
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:45.199
like in a sleep state, all of that is Faith

950
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.159
going around or it could be your mom, one of

951
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:52.280
the two, okay. And then you also have was it

952
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:56.800
a ghost face? Uh in the barn? You know, who's

953
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.440
who's chasing Lana inside the barn just all OpEd up?

954
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:03.440
That was the only one that I really couldn't say

955
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:07.280
who that was because it just doesn't seem I couldn't.

956
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.800
I couldn't quite put in there that it was Faith

957
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.920
in a robe girls her mom in a robe out

958
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:18.039
into broad daylight when Maren is is right out on

959
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.960
the tractor out in front of the barn. So that

960
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.280
part I really can't explain. But I think for the

961
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.280
most part, it just seems like that there's there's a

962
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:28.320
there's a actual spiritual side to it, and there's a

963
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.519
definitely a physical side to it.

964
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.960
Chuck brings up a good point, Amanda, as my expert

965
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:37.679
in this matter, I'm gonna ask you.

966
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:42.679
I'm gonna ask you. The movie is a slasher, the movie.

967
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:48.000
Is supernatural horror. It's walking a fine line between both subgenres.

968
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:51.559
Can can can it? Does it get away with it?

969
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.920
Because and I asked this because I know doing a

970
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:57.880
little bit of homework, there were certain theaters that were

971
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.480
cutting the you know, when the incubus of the shows

972
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:01.920
up and you know, comes out of the floor and

973
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.519
all that. There were some that were cutting some some

974
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:07.119
theaters were actually cutting that and removing it from the

975
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.920
movie to keep it just a strict slasher film because

976
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.679
it was that a Yeah, So my my question to

977
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.719
you is, can horror films do this? Can they can

978
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:21.400
they kind of keep one foot in each each subgenre

979
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:22.360
and get away with it?

980
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.159
In your opinion, I think.

981
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.360
It can be done. I mean, I guess when I think.

982
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.320
About this movie as a slasher, like I think about

983
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.960
it being in a slasher in the same way that

984
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:38.159
like Halloween is not really what we deem slashers. It's

985
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:41.199
not really what people think about when they think about slashers.

986
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:44.159
But it's got those elements to it. Try to think

987
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:48.599
of another movie maybe that would combine the supernatural and

988
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:50.480
the slasher elements.

989
00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.199
I mean one comes to mind, which Jason goes to

990
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:54.039
Hell gets away with It.

991
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.599
Oh God, that's not even a movie.

992
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:58.000
I had to I had to throw it out there

993
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.320
to you. What this me of?

994
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:03.119
Okay, well, what this whole film reminded me of after

995
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.599
I finally sat down and thought about it. This was

996
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.920
Wes Craven's practice run for a Nightmare on Elm Street

997
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.559
and more rely one. I mean, I think it was

998
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:17.000
like the prototype of it, and he took some of

999
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.679
these themes and he just expanded it and just made

1000
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:24.000
a much better villain villain.

1001
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:25.239
I don't know.

1002
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:29.880
No, that's actually really good, like Parallel, because there are

1003
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:32.360
elements of Nightmare and Elm Straight that whole series that

1004
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:33.239
are supernatural.

1005
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:34.920
If you really want to think about it, that way.

1006
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:37.599
Yeah. I mean, Freddy's a slasher, but it is, it's

1007
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:39.840
got it by default. It is supernatural, right.

1008
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:41.840
I was going to say Freddy is also supernatural.

1009
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:45.360
Yeah, okay of the biggest one.

1010
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.199
So yeah, there you go, Chuck.

1011
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:49.719
I I think you're right.

1012
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:51.760
This is kind of like his his test run for

1013
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.639
Nightmare m Street and to that point the bathtub scene,

1014
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:59.239
and I know Man is about to WinCE again, but

1015
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:04.079
I was shocked at how shot for shot that moment

1016
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:09.039
is because this is nineteen eighty one with uh, you know,

1017
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:12.480
with Deadly Blessing, and then we see we see the

1018
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:15.920
exact same thing happen in nineteen eight fours a Nightmare

1019
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.519
on Elm Street with Nancy with a Heather landinghamp. I mean,

1020
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:23.280
he's I'm thinking he had to have had this running

1021
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:26.039
on set of Elm Street and say, hey, this is

1022
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:27.119
how we're going to block the scene.

1023
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:28.800
This is how we're going to do it. This is

1024
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:30.559
where I want the girl. I want her legs open,

1025
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:33.400
I want the thing coming out in the middle. It's

1026
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:37.159
amazing how how perfect it is. It's a perfect matchup.

1027
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:39.079
Well you guys were you guys kind of blown away

1028
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:40.320
when that when that happened.

1029
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:45.119
Totally right away. I mean, but yeah, I also couldn't

1030
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:45.840
sit through it.

1031
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:52.760
Yeah, it's it's tougher for me than the glove, right,

1032
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:56.559
Oh yeah, by sure, because I have I have.

1033
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.119
Lived with that for so many years. So it's it's

1034
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:03.199
it's nothing but to have this same scene come up, right,

1035
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:07.639
But now it's not you know ready, it's someone has

1036
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:13.280
actually put a big old snake into the bathtub, and

1037
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:18.119
there's some you touch me there again, I'm gonna scream,

1038
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:22.320
pulls up the soap so that snake's all over the place, right,

1039
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:27.239
I'm I'm just it gets me. And then there's one

1040
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:29.199
scene and I think I may I may have said

1041
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.760
something to you about it, Jeff, was that that when

1042
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:34.239
she's she's fighting with the snake and all that the

1043
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:36.920
snake is swimming up the side of the bathtop. And

1044
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.119
I'm like, yeah, nope, I'm out.

1045
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:43.639
I'll tell you something I have. I'm not I'm not

1046
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:47.719
necessarily I'm not afraid of snakes. I've I'll pick them up.

1047
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.960
I've I've held snakes. I've you know, whether it's been

1048
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.199
at like a nature center and it's like, hey, here

1049
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:55.679
hold the book in stricter or it's been like out

1050
00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:57.679
back of work and it's been like a brown snake.

1051
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.920
I don't it doesn't bother me, but I'll tell you this, No,

1052
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:04.800
there's something. There's a different kind of fear unlocked when

1053
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.400
the snake is in the water with you and it

1054
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.480
it just goes right by you. And I've had that

1055
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:13.719
and I, like a cartoon character, I was running on

1056
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:15.440
top of the water to get back to the boat.

1057
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:19.639
There's a different kind of fear unlocked when you're a

1058
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:25.159
woman during the bathtub with a snake, and there's some very.

1059
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:26.639
Phallic undertones to it.

1060
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:31.360
I'm telling you, guys, I almost vomited in my mouth,

1061
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:34.239
like and then a couple of times I rewatched it.

1062
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:36.559
I could not sit through it. I couldn't like I.

1063
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.920
Had to look away, like visceral reaction. Well, and that

1064
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:41.360
does not happen to me a lot.

1065
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:44.760
Well, you know, they like they say like with horror films,

1066
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:46.519
and I know we've talked about this on some of

1067
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:49.960
the other episodes we've done, but like the bathroom, it's

1068
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:55.480
one of the most.

1069
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:54.719
It's one of those places in the house.

1070
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:58.880
Where you're you're you're most vulnerable, right, because more often

1071
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:00.400
than not, you're gonna be in a state of a dress.

1072
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:03.159
You're gonna be you know, your guards down a man.

1073
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:05.719
It to your point, I know, you know, you look

1074
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:08.400
at a bathtub and you're like, let's get some candles

1075
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:10.280
and bubbles and a glass of wine. And it's a

1076
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:12.119
it's a it's supposed to be serendy, it's supposed to

1077
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:15.599
be a place to relax. And you watch this scene

1078
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:18.840
in Deadly Blessing and I don't have a bathtub in

1079
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:19.280
my place.

1080
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:21.000
It's a shower, and I'm glad.

1081
00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:23.239
I don't want a bathtub ever again after watching this,

1082
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:26.880
because not scared. You know, I can I can be

1083
00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:29.679
in a bathtub and go, yeah a hand with a

1084
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:32.119
claw with a with a with a you know, Freddy's glove.

1085
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:35.400
That can't happen. And really, but.

1086
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:40.079
You know, some kind of pest, you know, be it

1087
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:43.599
a snake or something, some kind of creepy crawly can

1088
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:46.639
definitely get in your bathtub. And this move, that scene,

1089
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:51.079
just aside from the whole Nancy nightmare, um Street shot

1090
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:52.920
for shot thing happened.

1091
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.679
I was creeped out. I was like, no, I'll never

1092
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:58.480
get in a bathtub again. Like I wouldn't go on

1093
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.800
vacation and getting a getting a hot tub at this point.

1094
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:02.599
See, we have a.

1095
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:05.199
Big corner tub and we have a hot tub, and

1096
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:06.679
I enjoy both immensely.

1097
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:11.880
I'm sorry I made you watch this movie then, if that's.

1098
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:13.599
It's just I can't watch it.

1099
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.039
I just it just like even talking about it right now,

1100
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:20.320
like I feel bile coming up, like it was, well,

1101
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:21.920
that was so unsettling.

1102
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:26.840
Oh well, let's before before Amanda, you know, loses it.

1103
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:29.360
Let's let's move, let's let's let's wrap this up, or like.

1104
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.119
One more, I got one more thing, because this is

1105
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.119
the one scene that I cannot figure out who it

1106
00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:39.280
was that put the snake in the tub, because my

1107
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:42.760
theory is this. My theory is that this is Faith.

1108
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:48.079
Faith is in love with Martha. She wants Martha for himself,

1109
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.199
so she kills her husband, or actually before she even

1110
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:55.159
does that. While they're at the beginning, uh, Jim and

1111
00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:58.800
Martha are celebrating their one year anniversary. She comes into

1112
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:01.239
the house. She steals the photo that she goes and

1113
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:06.800
makes her masterpiece painting. Later on, she later comes into

1114
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:10.519
the house after Jim's death. She sits on there, you know,

1115
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.599
their bed, and starts going up and down kind of

1116
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:17.800
in a really creepy way. Super and then you know,

1117
00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:20.840
you know, Michael Berryman is outside looking at her, so

1118
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:24.559
she offers him, and then you know she's she's doing

1119
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:29.880
stuff to get the friends away, and and then someone

1120
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:32.239
comes in and puts this snake in. So my theory

1121
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:35.079
is that, you know, faith, you know who is We've

1122
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:40.039
already said, is a man is in, you know, wanting

1123
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:45.840
to possess her own or whatever. Martha Schmidt, I don't

1124
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:48.360
see why he would put a snake in the tub.

1125
00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:51.440
So I can't explain that one unless it happens to

1126
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:55.519
be Luise the mother. So this one doesn't make sense

1127
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:55.760
to me.

1128
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:59.400
Well, it might not make sense, but it definitely scares

1129
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.880
the scares the crap out of us.

1130
00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:04.079
It was, it was effective.

1131
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:09.320
Well, guys, we find ourselves at a crossroads because we've

1132
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:14.679
discussed two West Craven films with the word deadly in

1133
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:18.880
the title. Now there are no other West Craven films

1134
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:20.920
that have the word deadly in it. We've covered both

1135
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.400
of them. So I ask you, you know, next year,

1136
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:26.159
do we come back and discuss a West Craven film

1137
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:30.320
or do we find a new underrated horror film with

1138
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:32.960
the word deadly in the title, because I can assure.

1139
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:37.079
You there are plenty of them, and we're we're here.

1140
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:38.039
The fork is in the road.

1141
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:40.480
I ask you, guys like Amanda, are we coming like

1142
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:41.400
we're the Deadly Friends?

1143
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:42.280
Are we coming back?

1144
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.079
Are we gonna do another West Craven movie or are

1145
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:46.559
we going to do a Deadly movie?

1146
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:47.320
What do you think?

1147
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.840
I think I've teamed Deadly only because I feel like

1148
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:55.880
the niche of your podcast is maybe movies that haven't

1149
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.079
been discussed as much. Yeah, and I do feel that

1150
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:02.719
films by Wes Craven have been covered on every corner

1151
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:03.880
of the internet.

1152
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.960
Chuck, do you concur Yeah, I'm gonna go with Team

1153
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:13.360
Deadly as well, because after this we get the Nightmare series,

1154
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:16.159
we get the Scream series, and you know those are

1155
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:21.039
those are really well known, maybe lesser known to you know,

1156
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:25.199
younger people who are starting off in this genre. Last

1157
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:27.960
House on the Left and The Hills Had Lies, They're

1158
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:32.360
they're very good. But yeah, Last House on the Left

1159
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:36.119
is a difficult film to watch, and I'm not sure

1160
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:41.119
I can't recommend that to everybody. It's not recommend That's

1161
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:41.800
not only.

1162
01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:46.119
That, but you keep the podcast light, yeah, playful and stuff,

1163
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:46.719
and there's.

1164
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:47.320
No way to do that.

1165
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.639
And I would not join that anyways because I won't

1166
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:52.480
watch it. I watched it once and yeah, nope.

1167
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.920
All right, let's let's after we did that Deadly Friends

1168
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:58.960
last year, Amanda, Because you said that exact same thing,

1169
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:01.800
I said, ooh, I've got to go watch this, And

1170
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:04.400
when I was finished, I was like, she was right.

1171
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:06.679
You never you never saw Last House on the last

1172
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:07.000
I had.

1173
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:09.880
Never seen it. No, and I'd never seen I had

1174
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:14.360
not seen The Hills Had Eyes Have Eyes, And I

1175
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.760
definitely would watch Hills Have Eyes again. The first one.

1176
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:22.400
I wouldn't. And originally he wanted to make that, you know,

1177
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:24.880
a pornographic film, so he wanted it to be a

1178
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:28.199
lot more than what we saw, and what we see

1179
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:29.639
is already pretty rough.

1180
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:34.000
Well, Chuck, if she gave you, well she tried to

1181
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.440
give you a warning last time with Last House, I'll

1182
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:39.280
give you a new warning just to keep it going.

1183
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:42.440
And Amanda, I'm betting she's seen this so she can

1184
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:43.079
back me up on this.

1185
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:46.760
You say on your grave, Chuck.

1186
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.159
Chuck, that is the movie you should not watch. Do

1187
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:53.519
not watch You watch it now because that's the other

1188
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:54.679
one I will not watch.

1189
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.679
Yeah, that's a that's a video box. I have seen

1190
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:01.920
that video box since what nineteen? Well need something?

1191
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:03.840
Okay, you know, can I can I give you a

1192
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:05.239
fun fact about that video box.

1193
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:10.079
I know that there's a famous actress who's rear worth seeing.

1194
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:11.519
I mean, do you know this?

1195
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:14.639
Do you? You? You know the poster the movie box,

1196
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.320
It's like we we have the woman's torso from behind.

1197
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:18.920
You know who that is?

1198
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:19.199
Right?

1199
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:22.280
No, that is to me more?

1200
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:23.760
Is it really?

1201
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:26.280
Yep? She was a model before she was an actress,

1202
01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:27.880
and that's that's that's her.

1203
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:30.320
How do you know all these weird random things? That's amazing,

1204
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:31.679
like absolutely amazes me.

1205
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:36.719
But you might wanna, yeah, hang out with wa Chuck.

1206
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:38.960
You might want to avoid I spit on your grave.

1207
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:43.199
It's if you if you thought Last House on the.

1208
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:47.360
Left was tough, well, you know, buckle up, because I

1209
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:48.639
spend on your gaves a lot worse.

1210
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:51.559
You don't do something I know.

1211
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:54.920
I know, Uh, Jeff, I had what I have? One

1212
01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:58.599
more thing? There's two more quotes.

1213
01:02:58.320 --> 01:02:58.880
In this movie.

1214
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:03.039
Okay, Oh, I didn't even give you my favorite quotes,

1215
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:04.679
so maybe you're about to give it to me, I'm

1216
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:05.280
sure I am.

1217
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:07.639
The first one is that the hit Tits make the

1218
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:08.800
Amish look like Swinger.

1219
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:11.800
Yes, absolutly kills me.

1220
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:14.239
So every time he said this is an Amish horror movie,

1221
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:19.800
I'm like, not a Swinger horror movie. Cracks me up.

1222
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.280
I think I rewatch this four times and it made

1223
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:23.840
me chuckle all four times.

1224
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:28.679
And then Ernest four nine his quote about how you're

1225
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:30.440
a stench in the nose of God.

1226
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:39.800
Yea of God ils. Yeah I had, I had the

1227
01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:40.480
Swinger one.

1228
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:43.920
But then it's a slasher movie, which means the police

1229
01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:48.199
have got to be completely invisible or useless or both.

1230
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:50.599
And I love when the sheriff the first time he

1231
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:54.880
shows up, he has the line, hey, if something happens,

1232
01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:56.719
I ain't gonna be back in time for nothing but

1233
01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:57.280
clean up.

1234
01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:00.840
Do your job, dude, like you can't.

1235
01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:05.199
Yeah, no, I thought, yeah, it's definitely a slasher Now

1236
01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:06.760
the cops are not showing up until it's time to

1237
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:07.239
just pick up.

1238
01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:10.480
Right, So right, do you want a fun little fun

1239
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:11.840
fact before we close it out?

1240
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:12.639
Absolutely?

1241
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:13.119
This is.

1242
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:15.119
It's so dumb, though, you guys, it's so dumb, but

1243
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.719
I thought this was funny. So this is a West

1244
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:22.360
Craven movie and they spend the whole movie talking about

1245
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:27.000
the Incubus. Right, Yeah, the band Incubus.

1246
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:29.159
Had a song in Wes Craven's Scream three.

1247
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:30.360
Wow.

1248
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.000
I didn't wait, I didn't think it. No, I didn't

1249
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:35.440
even think about that. I loved Incubus.

1250
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:36.519
What a dumb fact.

1251
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:40.639
Hey, I'm gonna go pull up Spotify and listen now,

1252
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:42.519
So thank you for that.

1253
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:44.719
Yeah, crowded elevator.

1254
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:50.000
Amanda watched this one four times? Amanda, you watching what you?

1255
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:50.119
Are?

1256
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:52.400
You watching on a t B or you buy it

1257
01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:53.119
or TB.

1258
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:56.119
I love to be.

1259
01:04:56.639 --> 01:04:59.960
I love to be, absolutely love to be. You watch

1260
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:00.559
to four times?

1261
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:00.719
I got?

1262
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:01.480
I gotta.

1263
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:07.320
Watched loosely okay, okay, loosely turn it on.

1264
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:10.519
For eyes on it one full time. I watched it

1265
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.920
again today while I was working, just to refresh myself

1266
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:15.800
because it's been two weeks since we were supposed to

1267
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:20.159
originally record. But I was standing at the time. But yeah,

1268
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:22.280
I think four times okay.

1269
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:25.840
So the question is, would you recommend this to someone,

1270
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:29.960
whether they're a horror fan, a West Craven fan, just

1271
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:31.159
wanting to watch something on TV.

1272
01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:35.400
Does this get the slasher Girl recommendation.

1273
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:40.599
I would say, if you like movies from the early eighties,

1274
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:44.280
probably you know, but if you're like a nineties or

1275
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:47.079
two thousands horror fan, this is gonna lose. Yeah, it's

1276
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:48.559
gonna lose you real quick, I think.

1277
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:51.400
And I also think it doesn't have a ton of

1278
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:55.880
the elements that make a West Craven movie what a

1279
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:57.920
lot of people think a Wes Craven movie is.

1280
01:05:58.360 --> 01:05:59.800
So say you take a Scream fan.

1281
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:01.800
Or even an everyone Elm Street fan, you're like, oh,

1282
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:06.280
Wes Craven did this, You'll love it. You know, they're

1283
01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:10.360
gonna probably not love it because it's it doesn't have

1284
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:14.719
a lot of the Hallmark Craven stamps in it. But

1285
01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:17.000
I would recommend it. I think it's an interesting watch.

1286
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:21.880
I'm still very confused by it all. But it's too

1287
01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:22.480
I think.

1288
01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:25.320
They were too so how about Chuck.

1289
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:31.559
Yeah, this is it is definitely better than Deadly Friends.

1290
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:36.440
Oh, I didn't see the right the rating, the ranking.

1291
01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:37.440
I didn't know. We're doing.

1292
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:39.519
Well.

1293
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:39.920
You know.

1294
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:42.159
If you're saying, if people were to ask me, would

1295
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:46.280
you recommend Deadly Friend that it's hard, it's it's it's like, okay,

1296
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:49.719
it's it's cute. It feels like an experimental movie, you know,

1297
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:53.840
where he was trying to uh do that whole John

1298
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:58.719
Carpenter starman thing for himself, but this one it feels

1299
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:02.679
more like it was his warm up. It was his

1300
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:07.039
dress rehearsal for what was coming up. And so if

1301
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:10.519
you look at it in that angle, it's really kind

1302
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:13.360
of neat. And there's some things about the film that

1303
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:16.639
don't quite make sense, you know, as far as like, okay,

1304
01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:20.559
who really is involved in all of this? And at

1305
01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:24.679
the end it really doesn't matter. And once you have

1306
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:29.039
gone back and rewatched that fall down by Faith and

1307
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:32.480
you figure out, oh, okay, now I understand what's happened

1308
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:34.400
there because they don't spend a lot of time on it.

1309
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:39.400
But yeah, it's a movie that I would recommend for

1310
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:42.639
people that if you're if you're looking for something you

1311
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:44.880
haven't seen before, you could do a lot worse than.

1312
01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:50.400
This, Well, Chuck, If someone wanted to see Buffy the

1313
01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:55.800
Vampire Slayer completely obliterate Mama Fatelli's head with a basketball,

1314
01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:58.000
I would totally tell them to watch Deadly Friend.

1315
01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:01.519
As for Deadly Blessing, it's streaming free on tub and

1316
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:02.320
Pluto TV.

1317
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:04.760
Right now, and I think it's definitely worth the watch,

1318
01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:10.400
especially for Michael Berryman, Ernest borgnine and hey, you know,

1319
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:12.719
can you really call yourself a Wes Craven fan if

1320
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:14.079
you haven't seen all his films?

1321
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:17.239
And I'm not talking about Abe Snake, I'm talking about Craven.

1322
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:21.399
So I say, like, look, if you're a Nightmare fan,

1323
01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:23.840
you want to see this just for the bathtub scene.

1324
01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:27.039
Just to see like the where we started and where

1325
01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:29.760
we ended up. So I'm saying check it out.

1326
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:34.439
But listeners, for those of you that already have, what

1327
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:37.000
did you think of Wes Craven's Deadly Blessing?

1328
01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:40.199
Did you see it? Are you planning to? Are you

1329
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:41.760
pulling up to me and watching it four times like

1330
01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:44.920
a managanic? You can let us know, you can less

1331
01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:45.840
know on social media.

1332
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:48.920
You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x You can

1333
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.319
check out a film by podcast for all of our

1334
01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:54.000
film and TV articles and the entire library, which is

1335
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:54.600
streaming free.

1336
01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:57.720
You can check us out on YouTube.

1337
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:01.279
I'm happy to say now with our we're kicking it

1338
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:03.279
Like I said, we're kicking it off with our a

1339
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:05.680
film that goes to Scarefest. A lot of awesome stuff

1340
01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:08.960
in those three small episodes, and you can always write

1341
01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:10.960
to us at a Film by Podcast at gmail dot

1342
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:13.960
com with your questions, comments and concerns. We may just

1343
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:15.720
read your response on the show and send you some

1344
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:16.920
a film by swag.

1345
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:20.560
Chuck before you run off. I know, I know we're

1346
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:22.960
gonna talk to you again. This week. We're talking about

1347
01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:26.560
The Blob, the remake with a you know, which is

1348
01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:29.239
gonna be awesome. Oh yeah, we got the Blob.

1349
01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:32.039
For Deadly Blessing, but not all.

1350
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:35.199
Wait, the Blob is not a slasher.

1351
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:37.920
I could talk about Kevin Dillon all day.

1352
01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:44.159
Chuck, you got you. You picked the wrong guest host.

1353
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:44.680
You should have.

1354
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:50.439
Well, you know it was you know, we remake it

1355
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:53.920
so good. It's well, yeah, it's all well we had

1356
01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:55.840
you know, it's directed by Chuck Russell. We had to

1357
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:59.279
have a Chuck you know, show up. I mean, it's

1358
01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:01.760
it's us slash. I would have even thought to get

1359
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:02.399
you for the Blob.

1360
01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:05.039
But I do have some other horror movies though, okay,

1361
01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:09.279
I do, I do. It's not all slashers, but the man.

1362
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:11.880
All right, well, Amanda, you'll have to let us know

1363
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:13.239
how Chuck you do this stuff.

1364
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:16.520
If you ever do the stuff? Do you remember that movie?

1365
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:17.840
I remember that movie.

1366
01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:20.079
Right here?

1367
01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:22.600
Okay, right here, we're talking the stuff.

1368
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:27.159
Uh, Chuck, I know you're gonna be back this week

1369
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:29.479
for you're with me and David talking about the Blob.

1370
01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:30.159
But what's going on?

1371
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:30.359
What?

1372
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.479
How's the lineup looking on the Cinemat Flashback podcast?

1373
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:38.600
Yeah, we are winding down our first season. I think

1374
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:41.600
we're gonna end up with twenty six episodes, which I

1375
01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:44.479
know is small potatoes. That's like a month's worth of

1376
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:49.439
podcast for you guys, But for me, I'm pretty happy

1377
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:52.920
about that. Let's see. Coming up, I've got David Wright

1378
01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:55.840
aka Deaf Dave. He is coming on. We're talking the

1379
01:10:56.039 --> 01:11:01.000
Three Musketeers, Richard Lester's Great Adventure true story, that the

1380
01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:05.319
telling of the Dumas story. Following that, we're coming out

1381
01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:09.039
with Apocalypse Now. We recorded that just recently. What a

1382
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:14.199
fantastic film that is. And then to finally wrap up

1383
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:20.359
season one, we are covering Robert Shaw in the Deep

1384
01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:25.199
and I have a guest host coming. Uh A mister

1385
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:26.439
I don't know if you've heard of him or not,

1386
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:27.399
A Jeff Johnson.

1387
01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:32.720
That's right. I I told you back when you started

1388
01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:35.880
You're like, hey, how about some give us some some thoughts,

1389
01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:37.399
give us some recommendations.

1390
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:42.520
I was like, Chuck the Deep, lou Gassa Jr. Jacobassett,

1391
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:46.439
make it happen. And you're like, what else you guys got.

1392
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:48.600
I was like, Chuck, the Deep, The Deep.

1393
01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.680
The Deep had had always been scheduled in since you

1394
01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:54.560
said that it was penciled in. It's just taken a while.

1395
01:11:54.439 --> 01:12:02.560
To get nulty just being just just I'm so excited

1396
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:03.319
to talk about the Deep.

1397
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:08.880
Yeah, listeners, if you have not already hit that like

1398
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:12.840
and subscribe button on the Cinematic Flashback podcast, you're missing out.

1399
01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:15.039
I don't know what you're waiting on. It is the

1400
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:20.640
podcast for the seventies classics. What Chuck and Matt are

1401
01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:25.720
doing over there absolutely awesome. I've been fortunate enough to

1402
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:28.840
show up a couple times over there looking at you

1403
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:32.399
Jaws episode, which was just groundbreaking stuff.

1404
01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:33.439
Chuck.

1405
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:36.359
If you if you look up Jaws podcast, you're gonna

1406
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:38.520
get a telephone book. And you know we've done it.

1407
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:41.159
We've done Jaws. You know, everyone we know he's done Jaws.

1408
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:45.000
And somehow you found a way to make Jaws like

1409
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:46.920
it was like the first time ever listened to a

1410
01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:47.840
podcast about Jaws.

1411
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:48.640
I love what you get.

1412
01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:51.239
How can you can you express how can you express

1413
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:55.239
your love for a film by just thinking of the

1414
01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:58.359
craziest ways you would redo it if you could. So

1415
01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:03.119
you guys brought it. It was very creative. David was

1416
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:06.439
an amazing host that night. It allowed me to hop

1417
01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:09.199
on and play along, and we just had a lot

1418
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:12.359
of fun. I think I think Jason Colvin said that

1419
01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:15.560
he hadn't smiled that much, and I think everybody was

1420
01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:17.039
grinning ear to ear by the end of.

1421
01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:18.840
Loved what You did. I hope, I hope you do

1422
01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:22.439
something like that again. Yeah, I hope.

1423
01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:25.560
So Rocky is having its fiftieth anniversary.

1424
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:30.399
I'm your guy. I'm your guy, Amanda. You are the

1425
01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:33.000
slasher girl, and I gotta tell you.

1426
01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:36.920
I know we said deadly blessing it counts as a slasher,

1427
01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:38.560
but I also know we've had you on a couple

1428
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:41.600
of times. I don't feel like we've done a true

1429
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:45.279
slasher film. So I think the next time you show up,

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01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:48.000
it's it's time to do a bona fide eighty slasher film.

1431
01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:48.840
Are you Are you up for that?

1432
01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:51.640
I'm ready, absolutely ready.

1433
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:55.399
That's I told you, that's my element. I told I

1434
01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:56.760
told you. I was like, I was like, you know,

1435
01:13:57.760 --> 01:13:59.159
I think we we owe you at this point.

1436
01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:02.000
You've you've you've shown up a couple times, done an

1437
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:04.920
excellent job, you know, talking about movies that aren't exactly

1438
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:06.840
your favorite subgenre.

1439
01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:09.560
So I was like, hey, pick the slasher. We're doing it.

1440
01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:11.399
I don't care, I don't care how big it is.

1441
01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:14.520
So I am excited for that too. And I know

1442
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:17.680
we've got something special planned for next season. I won't

1443
01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:19.680
give that away just yet, Amanda, but you know what

1444
01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:20.359
I'm talking about.

1445
01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:21.680
Oh yeah, yeah.

1446
01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:25.359
So I want to thank both of you, you know,

1447
01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:29.640
for for humoring me and doing a film like we

1448
01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:31.920
none of us had ever seen before, didn't know what

1449
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:34.079
to expect, but I think we had a good time

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01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:34.279
with it.

1451
01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:37.560
I I'm glad. I'm happy that I've seen this one.

1452
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And to all of you listening to the show, following

1453
01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:45.079
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1454
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:47.399
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