Nov. 24, 2025

Wolfgang Petersen - The Perfect Storm

Wolfgang Petersen - The Perfect Storm
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Season 6A Film By...

This week, Jeff and Amber celebrate the 25th anniversary of Wolfgang Petersen's sea-faring thriller, The Perfect Storm, with a discussion about the actors, crew, and incredible director that brought this true story to life for the big screen.

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I smell copper tone, which means the voice of reason.

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Amber Lewis is in my studio.

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It's actually Hawaiian tropic.

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Last week, on November tenth, was the fiftieth anniversary of

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the sinking of the SS Fitzgerald.

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Amber.

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Yes, on my mother's birthday.

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Oh, happy, happy birthday to Nan Lewis, one of our

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favorite listeners.

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I hope she likes.

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I hope she likes today's pick because oh my gosh, loves.

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Loves today's pick.

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Okay, well, yes, Amber, I'd like to discuss another famous vessel.

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You could say it was a hell of a boat

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with a hell of a crew and a hell of

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a skipper. So let's talk about a film by Wolfgang Peterson,

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his thrilling seafaring adventure film celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary,

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The Perfect Story.

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Hello everybody, and welcome back.

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I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis.

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And this is a film by podcast Amber. We've been

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Because Eric was a sight to behold. He had the

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How about that?

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Super fun?

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Yeah, Well, back to the Perfect Storm and Wolfgang Peterson Amber.

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I've got I got a few things about Wolfgang here,

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I got a quote if you will. Born and raised

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in Imden, a harbor city north of the Netherlands, he

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was the son of a naval officer, which may account

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for his love and fascination with the sea in naval subjects.

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Yes, that makes total sense.

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Doesn't make total sense, like the guy that gave us

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The Perfect Storm and doss Boot and the Poseidon remake.

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Like if if you're in the water, you're you're probably with.

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If you're not with James Cameron, You're you're defhew with.

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It was his.

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His film Doss Boot in nineteen eighty one that gave

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him his international breakthrough. It was nominated for Best Director

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and Best Adapted Screenplay at the Academy Awards.

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That movie is so intense.

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Oh my gosh, Oh it's very intense. Amber. Let's talk

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about films he didn't direct. They include the first Harry

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Potter film, What hold on? Think about that though, Think

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about this. This is the guy that created the never

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ending story.

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I always forget that.

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Yeah, he's so, he's got some credub is large, so

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it does. Another one was the two thousand and one

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Batman versus Superman film that would have starred Colin Ferrell

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as Batman facing off against Jude Law's Superman.

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I don't know. I'd have to give that some thought.

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I think I think he definitely gives Snyder's film a

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run for the money, no matter how you get it. So, yes, yeah,

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but Peterson both projects early in pre production. Now on

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the theater going experience, he was quoted as saying, theaters

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are always going to be around and doing fine. With

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computers and technology, we're becoming more and more secluded from

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each other, and the movie theater is one of the

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last places where we can go still gather and experience

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something together. I don't think the desire for that magic

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will ever go away.

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I one hundred percent agree. I don't know if it's true.

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I hope it's true.

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But I only need to look at the crowd that

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we were in for the sneak preview of Superman earlier

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this yes, to know that he has one hundred percent

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right about this. Yes, I've never had a better time

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in a movie than I was sitting there with you

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and Dave and Wayne and Scott, the whole the whole

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team watching a sneak a sneak preview of Superman, and

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that crowd was just electric.

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The enthusiasm. Oh my god.

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Well, speaking of the magic of movies, Amber, let's talk

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about The Perfect Storm. I doubt many people have missed

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this one, but if you would please give us a

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little brief synopsis, let us know what the Perfect Storm

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is all about.

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In October of nineteen ninety one, a confluence of weather

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conditions combined to form a killer storm in the North Atlantic.

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Caught in the storm was the sword fishing boat, the

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Andrea Gale. Magnificent foreshadowing and anticipation fill this true life drama,

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while minute details of the fishing boats, their gear, and

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the weather are juxtaposed with the sea adventure.

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When this comes out, it is a box office smash.

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Everyone's loving it, except for a.

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Lot of critics. Gets a lot of mixed reviews. I

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got two here. I want to drop on you.

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And I'm not even gonna give the names of the

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publications or the critics because I just don't know what

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the hell movie they watched. Quote one, when in its

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final scenes the movie desperately tries to churn up some

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of the celestial schmaltz of Titanic.

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It is too little, too late.

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The fuck.

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Oh it gets better? Listen to this one.

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Once the digital effects commence, the perfect storm has all

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the impact of watching a friend play Nintendo.

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What movie did they watch?

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Are they talking about?

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These?

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These came from very well regarded publications.

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That blows my mind.

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Heck, how could what?

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What? What was this critic thinking?

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Oh? I mean, I have to admit we came at

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it a little differently. I read the book, Yeah, lived

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the book. This Sebastian Younger can write a hell of

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a tale. And then my mom read it and we

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were like obsessed with sword fishing. We read Linda Greenlaw's book.

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We couldn't wait for the movie to come out. We

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were there like opening day. We sat so close that

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I ended up getting seasick in the theater. I mean

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we loved this movie. I mean, and you know, we

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were excited for it. But if it hadn't been good,

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like we would have been devastated, but we would have

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acknowledged that it wasn't any good Like. No, I don't

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know what these critics were thinking. Man, And I'm usually

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willing like, oh, not everybody likes everything, but no, that's

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so Mark.

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So in an age where we've got you know, you

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can ride the movie like we've got the motion chairs

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and we've got the three D. You're telling me that

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you're telling me on the two thousand, you guys are.

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Movie is so good. We got seasick that premium. I'm

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not playing. I'm not paying for Amber.

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When they're on the Mistral and they were eating lasagna

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for lunch, I leaned over to my mom and I

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was like, do you have a dream? I mean, and

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your purses. I'm gonna it's.

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The Minstrel. We'll get to that. We'll get to those guys,

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but uh oh, I know you. Amber. Let's let's take

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a quick break and when we come back, we we

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got to talk about this cast. It's a huge cast.

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I don't know if we have time for everybody, but

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we're gonna We're gonna make time as much as we can.

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We'll be ready welcome back.

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We are talking about Wolfgang Peterson's The Perfect Storm. So

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let's begin with the Captain Billy Time, played by George Clooney.

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I love, an adore George Clooney, but I think he's

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the only person that should not be in this movie.

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Really, yeah, okay, that's he. I didn't see that coming.

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I mean, Diane Lane a little bit but him definitely

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like you don't live that life.

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Okay, So Clooney typically can do no wrong unless it's

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Batman right now, now, I will give you this.

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And even in that, he was a good Bruce Wayne.

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Oh he's a great Bruce Wayne. Yeah.

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Okay, But when it comes to playing Billy Tyne, Clooney

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doesn't even have a hint of the accent, which.

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That bothered me a little. And it just I don't know,

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everything was too like meticulous, like he had just the

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right amount of stubble and just the right flannel, and

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I don't know, he did not look like like the

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rest of those guys one hundred percent could have walked

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off that boat. Okay, like I believed it completely, but

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I just well, I was like, George has never been

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on a boat, I don't think, unless it was like

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a yacht.

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Okay.

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So initially he wanted Wahlberg's role of Bobby Shafford.

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Uh.

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But and he's thinking the studio is going to cast

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mel Gibson for the lead role because that's the talk

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going around Tinseltown. And after Harrison Ford says no and

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Nicholas Cage says no, and Mel Gibson wants way too

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much money. Wolfgang calls Clone back and said and talks

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to me into the role. He basically he sells him

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on the fact that, hey, you're thirty eight years old,

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the same as Billy Time was. And you know, Clooney's like,

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I'm getting in this movie.

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So he takes the role.

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So but you're you're not sold like out of that

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list I gave you though Harrison Ford, Mel Gibson, Nick Cage,

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would any of those done have done better than Clooney?

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I mean, Clooney is a good actor, so like it's

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not like he ruins the movie. I think I probably

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would have believed Harrison Ford a little more because Harrison

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for just has that vibe of like he's gotten his

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hands dirty in his life. And I know George didn't

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always grow up with a silver spoon in his mouth,

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but he just has that vibe, like that Danny Ocean

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like classy vibe.

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Billy Tyme.

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I don't know, is crazy just a little too much

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for it.

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It's a little too crazy, I think always. I think

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I think we had enough trouble with the depiction of

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Billy Time that we did not need that craziness to

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push it over the edge.

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Well, it's Mark Wahlberg as Bobby Shafford who makes a

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handshake deal after George Clooney personally recommends him to Wolf

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King Peterson.

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You gotta remember they worked together on Three Kings.

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Yes, and as George mentions this, Wolfgang's like, wait, I

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loved him and Boogie Knights call him up, He's already

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he has the accent baked in.

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He was born here. So it's fine. What you think?

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What'd you think of Mark?

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I thought it was perfect. I think this is the

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best thing he's ever done.

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This in The Departed, You might be right, I'm well,

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I mean, Boogie Knights, you know he's.

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I don't have the love for that movie that everybody

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else does.

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No love for that huh okay, okay.

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I can appreciate it. But but all right, I.

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Am with you. Though this is one of his better,

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his better roles. He actually he.

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Gets into character amber. He moved into the Crow's nest

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in the real town. He stayed in Bobby Shafford's actual room,

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and he even works the door a few nights a week.

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Like that's what I mean, Like he lives that world

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like he just fits right in.

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Yeah, now you said you mentioned Diane Lane as maybe

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not the best fit talking about the Christina Cotter Bobby

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Bobby's girlfriend.

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Well, just like with George Clotney, like she doesn't. She's

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a phenomenal actress, she's amazing. I love her. But you

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don't walk down the street in Gloucester and see Diane

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Lane like ever, No, but'smous she's too famous, she's too glamorous,

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she's too I mean, she's a theoryal beauty. Like she

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nobody looks like that she is.

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But I I give him credit, like I give her

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credit for playing it down like her looks like she

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plays down her beauty.

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Yes, and she looks I think she does.

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A convincing job of having that blue collar life, you know,

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that that look, which, like I said.

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She's a great actress. So like it's fine.

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And you know, here's the thing, herd Wolfgang go way back,

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like when he first moved here to the United States,

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they met and for years and years they tried to

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find a project to work together on. Never never got

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it the right thing lined up. But then he's he's

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think she's perfect for this part and he's you know,

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he's especially looking that she's uh, she's age appropriate because

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as you know, for me in the book, you know,

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Christina is a little bit older than Bobby, and he wanted,

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you know, a woman that could could play that part

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convincingly and uh and have that character's emotional range.

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Well, and she was so perfect as like the person

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you never forget about. She's always in the back of

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your mind worrying about him back on shore.

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I think she does phenomenal job.

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I appreciate, uh, the fire that she's got.

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Especially, yes, I thought she was gonna deck the boss.

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Does she does at least once? You know, he's got

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a shiner at one point in the movie, Well that was.

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Bobby that I do that, That was Shenanian's But no,

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I'm talking about when she starts yelling at ah, Bob Brown, Bobby, Yeah,

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Michael Ironside's character, Bob Brown, when she's like you read

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me Goviner, I was like, oh, she's gonnack him.

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Yeah, I see a lot of my ex girlfriends in

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this performance.

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That's it's a little a little scary. She's she's she

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doesn't she does it justice.

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Can we talk for a minute about John c Riley

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playing Murph Dale Murphy.

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Oh my gosh.

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First off, I love the fact that we get John

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c Riley and Mark Wahlberg teamed up again, you know,

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shout out the Booie Knights one more time.

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But uh, and I, you know, pardon me.

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Had hoped that they're gonna be a lot more buddy

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buddy on the on the boat. You know, but this

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is based off this is based off a true story,

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so we're not going to get that.

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But man, his his his subplot with his with his kid,

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little boy.

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Yeah, like, I don't know what went wrong in that marriage,

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but I love how they're.

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Depicted, the character the parents are depicted.

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Where they seem to have a very healthy relationship for

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the sake of their son. You know, he didn't get

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a lot of money in the last boat. He hands

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it to her, she takes she goes here half for you.

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I was like, that's a good woman, that's a good guy.

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Yeah, go parents, right, But.

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That's that fisherman's life though. I mean they're gone a.

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Lot ember now.

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Listen, I I'll say I experienced the book. I didn't

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read it, I listened to it, which I gotta tell you,

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if if listeners, if you want to, if you got

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if you got nine hours to listen to this book,

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it is just extraordinary. I listened to it on Spotify

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Ember it was free. The guy doing the narration I

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apologize because I don't remember his name off the top

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of my head, but did a fantastic job.

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So yeah, it's a it's a fantastic audiobook.

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Uh, I don't know.

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I might have missed it in the book and you

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can you can correct me here, because it wasn't until

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like the third or fourth time I watched this movie

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that I realized, you know, we got this rivalry between

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John c Riley's Murph and William Fickner Sully.

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And for the longest time, I was like, what is

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the problem with these guys? Why? Why? Why are they

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just at each other?

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I never pieced together that there was like a little

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bit of something happening allegedly with Sully.

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And Dale's X. Was that more? Was that caption more

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in the book? Or did I that was just.

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In the movie? That was Sully just trying to get

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our eyes at of Murphy.

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Okay, so not real and shit.

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No, Sully was actually not a lot like he's depicted

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on the movie. There were a lot of the family

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members of the actual crew that were kind of upset

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with their depictions. But you're trying to portray this was

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before like anybody knew anything about this life. There was

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no Deadliest Catch back then, so you're trying to show

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like what it's like to be on these boats and

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you're on top of each other and you're tired, and

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you know. So they were kind of painting with broad strokes.

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They weren't giving one hundred percent biographical.

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I don't care if it's one hundred percent biographic or not.

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Go I tell you about my favorite character.

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I know it's gonna be Bugsy.

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It's Bugsy John Hawkes, who is just a sensational actor.

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He's playing Michael Bugsy Moron was it Moran Moran Moran,

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I just want to jump into I want to talk

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about the chemistry between him and Rusty Shwimmer's.

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Actually their scenes are so beautiful.

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Well, the chemistry happening between them is is just it's unreal.

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And Wolfgan Peterson even talked about how they were on set.

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He said, uh, he talked about how they fell in

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love with each other and it wasn't a physical emotional love.

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It was just they could not get enough of each

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other's company. They were inseparable on and off set, and

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and it showsdorable. My favorite moments are are with or

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with Michael and uh and Irene.

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Yes. Yeah, and I love that she came to say goodbye, like.

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We'll get to that. Well we'll talk scenes.

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Yeah, but just their whole their whole thing in the

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in the bar where you know, he looks like the

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typical scumbag. He's trying to hit on her and are

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so bad.

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Well they are? What's he said? You know, bout your drinks?

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Like see us have two? No, here's the crime, you know,

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I don't know.

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If you told me they had fallen in level on

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set and we're a couple in real life, I believe

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it absolutely.

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Yeah, if you said like they were married, I would

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totally be like, I'm not surprised.

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Yeah, the way they look at each other, it was

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just it was just it was touching.

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H One more person I definitely want to shout out

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Mary Elizabeth mastro Antonio as Captain Linda Greenlaw.

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Now you said you read her book.

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She read a book was like a fictional or nonfiction

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about the whole situation.

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What's going on?

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Yes, Linda green Law is an absolute badass, amazing woman.

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She's the or was the only female swordfish boat captain.

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She's spectacular. She's written three books. Actually I've only read

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the one. She did do one season of Deadly's Catch,

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and she is just she is nothing like the bullshit

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portrayal that we get in this movie. She is an

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absolutely amazing, super awesome, hard ass woman.

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She is not right, So you're radio now you're not

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happy with her portrayal.

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Not even a little bit at the beginning, okay, but no,

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when it gets to the end, I am just.

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What was it? Is she too? Is she too emotional?

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Yeah? Yeah, there is no way that the real Linda

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green Law was screaming into the radio and hysterical and

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you know, I mean that was completely invented for drama, Okay,

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And I don't like that. It was you know, we

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have to have a woman like completely loser shit like Okay,

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women don't.

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Always do that, you know.

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It was after a very difficult time filming James Cameron's

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The Abyss. Oh yeah, she said she would never do

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a movie that had anything to do with water.

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Again. Well, no, I love that movie.

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I love that movie, but boys, they went through it well.

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When Peterson called her, she turns him down until he

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assures her that all her scenes are shot on land,

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and then she's like.

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Okay, you got me.

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I'm in.

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I think you needed someone of her caliber though, to

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play this role. Like, I'm not sure who else plays

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Linda Greenlaw.

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You know, Linda Hamilton's Holly Hunter. Okay, give me five minutes.

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I should think of more, but there's three run off

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the top of my head.

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Linda Hamilton, Yes for sure. Uh, okay, answering.

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But they just they wanted the drama.

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Yeah, you gotta have it.

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They they wanted to convey how serious the storm was.

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Well, uh, just a just a couple quick mentions here,

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just just to say we we tried our best to

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capture most of the cast here.

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Uh.

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Christopher McDonell Shet McGavin himself is the meteorologist Todd gross and.

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With a thankless job of like nothing but exposition, but

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he does it so well well.

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And he also he has the dubious honor of giving

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us the movie title in the Yes, well.

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You know, as soon as the first time we see

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him and he's eating the donut.

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He's getting ready to go on on the news and

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he's like, I'm gonna need maps for you know, this place,

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in this place. I'm like, oh, he's gonna say it.

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He's he sees the storm coming, We're gonna get it.

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So I'm excited for that.

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And then I love her to pieces your girl, my girl. Yeah,

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we've we've met, we've met before. Karen Allen, the lovely

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Karen Allen. Uh, she's got this very small role playing

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Melissa Brown.

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Uh. She's on the She's on.

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The yacht, the the Mistral with Bob Guten's Alexander McNally.

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Uh. This guy, I've been selling forty years and I've

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never charted nothing.

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And he's a country club sailor. This guy thinks he

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knows everything. Yeah, I I to be fair, it was

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supposed to be like an easy hop down to you know,

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Bermuda or wherever they were going.

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So I like, I like the you know, he's like,

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it's my boat, and she's like, it's our it's my life.

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And yeah, and Cherry Jo were amazing together. Yeah, but

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Karen Allen just by existing like raises the caliber of

481
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the movie. Like she shows up and They're like, oh

482
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:09.880
really this is.

483
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:13.680
This is Marion Ravenwood, right, this is Jenny from Starman.

484
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:18.640
So how about this her and Mary Elizabeth Flip. Yes,

485
00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:26.039
Now could you go with Karen Allen for for Linda? Yes, yeah,

486
00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:27.960
I think that's that's the move.

487
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:29.640
I think that's what I think that would have been

488
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:30.200
the choice.

489
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.880
Amber. Another quick break and then we got to talk music.

490
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:36.279
Oh yes we do.

491
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:43.079
All right, we're back Amber. I want to talk music

492
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:43.880
for a minute.

493
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:45.720
Oh yes, please.

494
00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:52.319
This has got just an incredible collection of amazing songs.

495
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:57.480
Bruce Springsteen which uh that happens to be my all

496
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:58.559
time favorite Bruce song.

497
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:01.920
I think, oh, it's just it's just a good song.

498
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:03.640
It's just it is a very good song.

499
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:09.079
But we got zz Top, Alison Chains, Bob Marley, the

500
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:13.920
Allman Brothers, Rod Stewart. I feel like every song we

501
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:17.200
hear is well placed, it fits the scene and it

502
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:18.440
helps build the atmosphere.

503
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:20.960
What do you think of the selection?

504
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:26.920
Well, even before that, the opening scene when they're the

505
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.559
Andrea Gale and the Hannah Bowden are coming back into

506
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:35.200
Port from their first run. I am always so impressed

507
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:40.279
with James Horner's score because you've got this beautiful score.

508
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.799
But then you've got like electric guitar in the through

509
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:48.519
it and it just is perfect for this movie. But yeah,

510
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.000
the the soundtrack is just it's what you're gonna hear

511
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.319
in this bar. It's what you're gonna hear the guys

512
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:58.799
playing on the boat. Absolutely, and I love during the

513
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:02.160
ending credits. I'm not a huge John Mellencamp fan, but

514
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:06.000
the song that plays at the end is just beautiful.

515
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:07.799
The first time you hear it, you're like, is that

516
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.039
is that the Cougar? It is?

517
00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:15.599
Hey, this ain't a bad song. Ah, Yeah, you're right.

518
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:17.640
It is the music you're gonna hear in the bar

519
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.079
at the Crow's Nest. I love what they're all just

520
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:24.799
sitting there waiting like they like when they're on the boat.

521
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:28.240
It's almost like they're trained dogs waiting so they can have.

522
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:29.279
Their their snack.

523
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.000
And when when Clooney comes out and says let's go fishing,

524
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.039
all of a sudden, hits the hits.

525
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:37.880
The the the the boom.

526
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:38.920
Box tap comes on.

527
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.279
Yeah, touch touch blaring and they go to work and

528
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:43.240
they're having a good time.

529
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:45.839
I love I love the music selections.

530
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:50.720
Uh you're talking James Horner, you know, who else happens

531
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.480
to be a big fan of James James Horner's.

532
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.119
Work is that our man Wayne, our very.

533
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:57.920
Own Wayne Whited.

534
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:00.960
Let's radio to shore and see if we can get

535
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:06.240
him to offer up one of his soundtrack spotlights, Wayne, Wayne,

536
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.920
come in, Please Wayne, are you there?

537
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.920
By the year two thousand, James Horner was beginning to

538
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.480
be known as the composer of disasters, given to him

539
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.880
due to his incredible scores that he had created for

540
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.000
many of the nineteen nineties disaster films such as Apaula thirteen,

541
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.839
Deep Impact, and of course, the most successful disaster film

542
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:31.440
of all, Titanic. If Horner was scoring the film, you

543
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:33.880
could bet something horrible was going to happen to the

544
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:38.640
characters within. But no film rightfully justifies the name as

545
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:43.440
The year two thousand's Wolfgang Peterson directed The Perfect Storm, again,

546
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.440
the story of a sinking ship based on a true story.

547
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:49.960
This would be the first time that Peterson and Horner

548
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.640
had worked together, and for Horner it would be a

549
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.920
perfect storm of music, creating a thundering and powerful epic score.

550
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:02.920
In true Horner's style, he reintroduces motifs and instrumentation familiar

551
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.160
to listeners from his past works, but introduces a few

552
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.599
new sounds to keep his compositions fresh and new. Horner

553
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.640
starts off with the most impressive cue of the entire score,

554
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.640
the nine and a half minute Coming Home from the Sea,

555
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.839
to match the director's opening shots, full of cross fades

556
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:24.640
and images that introduce the main characters, Horner is composed

557
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:29.720
of very electric overture, consisting of six different and distinct movements.

558
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:35.000
It's a beautiful piece with heavy symphonic orchestra, acoustic and

559
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:39.440
electric guitar, introducing each of the different character themes as

560
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:43.119
well as the sea theme. Full of singing strings and horns,

561
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.720
Horner introduces a five note motif to symbolize those that

562
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.640
have fallen det sea, before bringing in the piano and

563
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:55.599
electronics and a somber gets psychological bit of scoring. Finally,

564
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.519
the full orchestra comes to futation, giving us the main

565
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.720
theme of the film, and ending with a lone horn

566
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.359
that brings the theme back full circle. This piece stands

567
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:08.319
as one of Horner's most symphonic and varied and has

568
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:10.200
been considered by some to be the one of the

569
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:14.160
finest pieces composed by the meister during his career. Corner

570
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.680
has created two recurring themes used in the entire score.

571
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.440
The first is a longing string theme that captures everything

572
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.240
inherent in the story, the nobility and bravery of the fishermen,

573
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:29.079
the tranquility of Gloucester, with subtle hints of the tragedy

574
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.640
to come. The second theme is a six note motif

575
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.720
to represent the sea, powerful and mysterious, performed by the

576
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:41.319
brass section. The queue, titled the Decision to Turn Around,

577
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.559
completely changes the mood of the score, beginning with typical

578
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.359
rising and falling strings, and then all of a sudden

579
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.079
goes very disonanymous, beginning a sequence of music which never

580
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:54.519
lets up for the rest of the score. Finally, the

581
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.680
music reaches a monumental point of fierce power, with the

582
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:01.880
q rogue wave generating awe and terror all at once.

583
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.920
Through the use of frantic violins, incessant rumbling percussion, and

584
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.359
a three note brass motif, it becomes a searing and

585
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:16.200
at times frightening musical experience, with stark piano chords, tumbling strings,

586
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:20.480
and harp waves screaming out in horror before falling earily silent.

587
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.039
The score to the Perfect Storm is an exhausting but

588
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.640
rewarding addition to James Horner's career, one of his greatest

589
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:33.559
and most celebrated of that decade. Horner's relationship with wolf

590
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.759
Bank Peterson would continue one more time when he would

591
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.799
be called to replace the rejected score created by composer

592
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:43.079
Gabrielle Yared for the two thousand and four film Troy.

593
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.440
James Horner's music for The Perfect Storm would be made

594
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.000
available with the release of the film on June twentieth,

595
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.559
two thousand by Sony Classical on a CD, containing nine

596
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:56.559
tracks of score, totally an hour and fifteen minutes and

597
00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:00.400
included the song Yours Forever sung by John Mellencamp with

598
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.480
music written by James Horner. This CD release contains a

599
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.640
vast amount of music heard in the film, close to

600
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:09.640
eighty percent. However, the complete release of the score that

601
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.160
Horner fans have been yearning for has yet to happen.

602
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.200
The original two thousand release is still easy to obtain

603
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.920
from the secondary market and auction sites, and recently, in

604
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.359
September twenty twenty three, the record label Music on Vinyl

605
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:26.000
released a one hundred and eighty gram LP as a

606
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.759
limited edition of one thousand individually numbered copies on red

607
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:33.799
and black marble Vinyl. It goes without saying that most

608
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:37.160
collectors of James Horner's music already have this perfect score

609
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.599
in their collection. But if you're new to film music

610
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:41.720
and want to hear the late meisters at the height

611
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.119
of his career, pick up a copy, put on your earphones,

612
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.640
turn the lights off, and sit back and enjoy an

613
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:51.680
incredible and emotional roller coaster of a score. He truly

614
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.000
was the master of scoring. Disaster.

615
00:33:57.720 --> 00:33:58.480
Well they have it.

616
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.119
Amber I knew he was going to be all over

617
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:11.719
this episode him. Yeah, you heard him and David did

618
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:16.159
the their their James Horner episode earlier this season. Yeah,

619
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:20.559
and that's that blew up on YouTube quick and it's

620
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.800
had plenty of plenty of downloads everywhere else.

621
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:26.599
I'm always happy.

622
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.440
To get Wayne, Wayne, thank you again for uh for

623
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:33.639
giving us your insight on on the great James Horner.

624
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:36.760
But how about a little insight into this film's background.

625
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:40.880
Amber I got some stuff that is straight from the

626
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:45.480
man himself, Wolf King Peterson. So according to him, it

627
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:48.119
was while he was working on Air Force one that

628
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:52.360
a a sound mixer gave him a copy of Sebastian

629
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:55.880
Younger's nineteen ninety seven non fiction book The Perfect Storm,

630
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.239
and this guy told.

631
00:34:58.039 --> 00:34:59.800
Him that it was right up his alley.

632
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:05.159
Now, coincidentally, Warner Brothers had already bought the film rights,

633
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.920
and then they approach him several weeks later to see

634
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:11.159
if he's interested in directing it, so you could kind

635
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:12.079
of say it was fate, you know.

636
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.119
He was, yes, like the stars were just aligning.

637
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.519
So we talked about this being shot on location, and

638
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.800
the town was very weary of the film production to

639
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:26.239
coming into set to shoot. Wolfgang likened his crew of

640
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.079
two hundred and fifty people to the circus coming to town,

641
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:34.119
and he said ultimately it was in fact, author Sebastian

642
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:38.039
Younger who came into town, had a little press conference

643
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:41.199
and like a little town hall meeting and basically told

644
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.920
him like, hey, guys, this story is in great hands

645
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:47.280
with Wolfgang Peterson and they're gonna they're gonna tell the

646
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:51.119
story right. And basically the town, you know, all the

647
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.519
locals were like, well, if he's if Sebastian says this,

648
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:58.400
then welcome, come on in. And practically everyone you see

649
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:01.559
in the background that doesn't have a speed and maybe

650
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:02.960
a few people that do have speaking roles.

651
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.400
They're all locals. So I love that. I love that

652
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:06.119
about this production.

653
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.440
I think that was really cool that they just they

654
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:11.039
come to town, they take over the town, but they

655
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.719
bring the town into the creative process and invite them

656
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:15.360
to be a part of.

657
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.599
This so well, and they just you know, Sebastian Younger

658
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:25.199
is a unique author and that he like gets into

659
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:28.559
their world. He went out on boats and did the job,

660
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:33.760
like he has mad respect for these these difficult jobs

661
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.719
that are done in the world. And so he had

662
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.400
gotten the respect of the town during the process of

663
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.239
writing the book, so to get his seal of approval,

664
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.920
and then for them to just see how much the

665
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.920
film crew and the production just respected them because this

666
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.119
town is tiny, Like they all knew these guys. It's

667
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:58.599
not like, you know, you live in Cincinnati and oh yeah,

668
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:00.599
I kind of heard about that on the news. You know,

669
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:03.440
these are guys you saw at the grocery store, you.

670
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.440
Know, tight knit group, right, Yeah, it's a family. It's

671
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:07.840
a family feel in this time.

672
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:10.599
There's a couple of scenes I want to talk about,

673
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:14.159
and you let me know what the pivotal moment is, you.

674
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:15.679
Know, and if we if I touch on it.

675
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:18.079
Then you just jump right in and let me know then,

676
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:21.800
But can we just start with Billy's conversation with Linda.

677
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.559
I he gives us this monologue.

678
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.599
You know, I'm talking about the You're a goddamn sword boat, captain.

679
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:37.239
Fogs just lifting, throw off your battle line, throw off

680
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:43.199
your starin yead out the South Channel, pass Rocky Neck,

681
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:48.440
ten Pound Island, past Niles Pond are I skated as

682
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:52.199
a kid beloye air horn and you throw a wave

683
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:56.280
to the lighthouse keeper's kid on that's rightither the birds

684
00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:01.519
show up, black packs and herring gull, big dump ducks.

685
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.679
The sun hits you head north over up to twelve

686
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:15.800
steaming now and guys are busy. You're in charge. You

687
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:22.760
know what your goddamn short go, captain? Is there anything

688
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:23.480
better in the world?

689
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.000
And it's so good. You know, that's the best line

690
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.719
in the movie. And it's so good. Amber we hear

691
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:32.119
it twice.

692
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:36.719
Yeah, the movie closes with him with his narration over

693
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.480
Horner's score, and it's it's perfect.

694
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:43.559
It is perfect way to uh to let the movie

695
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:48.440
fade out. But this this moment, I don't know.

696
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.800
I gotta give it to him, like I feel like

697
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.239
they convey when when she steps on board, you know,

698
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:56.639
he's like he doesn't look up, he just he just smiles.

699
00:38:57.400 --> 00:38:59.360
And you know, I smell copper tone and you know

700
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.559
she correctly Yep, I get. You get the feeling they've

701
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:07.519
known each other for like a decade, right, Yes, they're

702
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:11.639
like they're Gloucesters, will they won't they couple? It feels like,

703
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.079
you know, and I even like it. She's like she's

704
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.079
kind of like making a pitch. She's like a you know,

705
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:18.239
trying to find a guy to settle down with, raise

706
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:19.000
a family.

707
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.599
And not to make a pass. To make a pass.

708
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.440
Yeah, I love I love how how confident she is.

709
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.760
I love how how chrismatic she is. And she's just

710
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.039
you know, and because Party is like, well she is

711
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:32.559
she just goofing off?

712
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.440
Or is she does? She is? She is she got

713
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.360
something for him? You know. I like that they don't

714
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:39.159
go into it.

715
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:42.760
It's just like it's it's left up to your your imagination,

716
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.239
like they could have been a good couple or they

717
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.079
make a good couple. But they're also like they're just

718
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:49.840
they seem like they're the best of friends. Even though

719
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.679
they're they got this friendly uh competition going between them.

720
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:55.920
You know, yes, I love that scene.

721
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:57.400
Yeah, that banter is great.

722
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.519
Irene, come, you talked about this, Irene coming to see

723
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:01.039
Michael off.

724
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.559
You know, because the people you can watch him. He

725
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:06.159
doesn't expect anyone to come.

726
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:06.840
Ah.

727
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.760
Well, they have this nice they have this nice night

728
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:13.280
in the crow's nest and then she's like, hey, I

729
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:14.239
got I got kids at home.

730
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.880
I'm out of here. You know, those upper hand as

731
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:20.199
a handshake, and he I like that. He's he takes

732
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.800
the handshake right, and he's just say that I took

733
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.440
a shot. It's you know, not happening. And you're right,

734
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:28.320
he's just heading to the boat.

735
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:29.840
He doesn't he knows anyone's coming to see him, but

736
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.519
she shows up to see him off, and it's just

737
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:36.480
that that goofiness that he has, that that that comedic

738
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:40.800
awkwardness where he's trying to get he's trying to like

739
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.440
these lines that he thinks are just dynamite, and she's

740
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:46.599
just seeing it for being just cheesy.

741
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.199
You know. Yeah, but they're both kind of shy, and

742
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:53.039
they're both you know, kind of flirtatious, and you know,

743
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.440
it's just it's so sweet.

744
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:58.880
It's a beautiful moment because something's building, you know, and

745
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.440
I like, you know, he's like, I wish you night

746
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:01.320
so I could.

747
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.760
Say good night Irene, you know, as cheesy as that is.

748
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.679
And but then she gives it like a little bit

749
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.480
of dramatic weight. She's like, there'll be time for that later.

750
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:13.280
And now you're like, and he's got that smile and

751
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:15.039
you know, now it's like, you.

752
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:18.239
Know what this is. There's something something good could happen here. Yeah,

753
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.719
you know, and and it crushes you because you know

754
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:22.280
the story. You know what's gonna happen.

755
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.400
But even like later on the boat when he's like, oh,

756
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.079
you know, they've got this massive haul and he's like,

757
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:28.519
I'm gonna buy an F one fifty.

758
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.480
I'm gonna drive Irene up to the coat.

759
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.519
You know, he's making all these dates in his mind,

760
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:33.320
you know, with this woman.

761
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.199
I love it though. I love that. I love that scene.

762
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:43.920
Now, Sully saving Murph absolutely unexpected and just it's fantastic.

763
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:49.079
Yeah, and that is something that actually happened. It didn't,

764
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.239
it didn't happen on this trip, but it did actually

765
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:56.719
happen to Murph. And I love that scene, as horrible

766
00:41:56.719 --> 00:42:01.000
as it is, because it shows like, you focus for

767
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.320
one second, and these guys are only getting like two

768
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:06.480
hours of sleep, you know, for days on end and

769
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:11.239
working for twenty hours and it's so incredibly dangerous.

770
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:16.880
Imagine working close quarters on little sleep with someone you

771
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.760
can't stand and and just how high your irr ability

772
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:26.119
factor would be. And the thing that makes this scene

773
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:31.840
so great is that Murf goes overboard and you expect

774
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:36.320
Mark Wahlberg or George Clooney to go dive it in

775
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.760
because they're the heroes, right, yes, and it's solely solely

776
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:41.719
does it like zero hesitation.

777
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.199
He is, he sees that he's gone, he dives in.

778
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:45.679
Yeah.

779
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.719
It turns around to tell him all one more time

780
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:49.960
and then oh wait, the guy I want to who's

781
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:51.199
asked I want to kick is not here.

782
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:55.400
If you kick, he's in trouble. I gotta save him.

783
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:55.840
Yeah.

784
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:58.199
It's a fantastic moment.

785
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.719
And it's even better like the you know, the morning after,

786
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.159
when when Murf's gotta make the like the thank you

787
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:10.239
you know speech and they still have to be at

788
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:11.880
odds with each other, you know, He's like, I guess

789
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:14.119
it's I owe you, and he's like, yeah, I guess,

790
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.159
you know, I'm supposed to say you do the same

791
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:18.480
for me, and but I just love the.

792
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:22.239
Fact that that that moment where Johncy realizes like it's

793
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.960
all I can manage rate it. Yeah, but but they

794
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:25.840
make peace.

795
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.639
Like they from there, Like the the morale of the

796
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:33.079
Andrea Gale shoots up because they haven't got to catch.

797
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.920
It's not looking good. Morale's down.

798
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:40.480
They're starting to get critical of Billy's sights and it's like, okay,

799
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:41.039
well what are we.

800
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:41.519
Gonna do here?

801
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.239
So yeah, for sure, how hard is it for you

802
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:49.320
not to cry during Linda's eulogy at the end.

803
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:52.039
That's a hard scene. Man.

804
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.119
I just don't And I just you know, these guys,

805
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:02.719
it's it's such a hard life and high risk, low reward.

806
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:06.480
Every now and then you get a good haul that

807
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:10.280
keeps you going back out, you know, because you got

808
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:14.880
that one big paycheck. But it's it's a rough life.

809
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.440
And I can tell you honestly, every time after we

810
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.719
read this book and then watching like Deadla's Catch, like

811
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.440
every time we have seafood and my family, we say

812
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:27.000
thank you to those guys like you may never have

813
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.880
thought about them before, but you think about him after this.

814
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.440
You know, you have to I've cracked the code. U.

815
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:36.840
Do you know what the secret is to an amazing

816
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.920
eulogy scene in any movie, like when you do a

817
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.079
funeral scene. No, it's not, it's not the eulogy because

818
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.599
if you think about Linda's eulogy, you know, Mary Elizabeth Buthntonio,

819
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:50.880
she's up there, you know, she's like, hey, I didn't

820
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.559
know Billy's crew that well, and she kind of does

821
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:56.199
like almost like a sonnet type of you know, like

822
00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:00.679
rest easy, you know this and that. It's not that

823
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:06.000
you have to have a impactful monologue for that actor

824
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:10.159
or actress. What you have to have is the cutaway

825
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.599
shots to the crowd, the reaction shots to the of

826
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:15.800
the crowd that like, you got to have that person

827
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:19.639
that is on the brink of crying, that they're barely

828
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:21.559
holding it together, and then you got to cut to

829
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.599
the person that has already lost it and you know,

830
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:29.840
and it's it's those those cutaway scenes that that really

831
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.519
hit you like a hammer, because like it makes you

832
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.320
think when you see someone crying, like, you know, you

833
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.320
you want to empathize, You wanna you want to you

834
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:41.559
naturally you want to feel sad too, you know, or

835
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:45.400
you think about it, it pulls a memory, right, you

836
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:46.199
gotta have these scenes.

837
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:49.159
They're they're the ones that are you know, left behind.

838
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.599
And the part of her eulogy that always gets me

839
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.159
is when she says, you know, when you lose someone

840
00:45:55.199 --> 00:46:01.239
at sea, there's no grave, there's no coffin, there's nothing.

841
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:03.760
They're just gone. Like you watch them sail off and

842
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:07.800
they never sailed back, Like you know that emptinesses is

843
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:10.239
just gut wrenching amber.

844
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.800
What is the pivotal moment in the Perfect Storm?

845
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:18.760
For me? I am in the book and then again

846
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:22.360
in the movie, I am completely blown away by the Coastguard,

847
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.679
these men that are risking their lives to save these people.

848
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.599
And you know, you can hear about things like this

849
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:32.800
and you think like, well, what kind of freaking idiot

850
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.800
like sailed out into a hurricane. But when you realize,

851
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.199
like it was just lack of imagination, Like that's how

852
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:43.159
nature gets you every time. And they thought they had

853
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:47.239
a plan and it fell apart. Nobody could have predicted

854
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.440
the storm, And so you have these heroes going out

855
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:55.679
to save these people and they get the call that

856
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:00.719
the Andrea Gale is in trouble and the pilot says Glocester.

857
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:02.760
They're always from Gloster.

858
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:06.639
Yeah, we didn't talk about the dash Mehawk playing one

859
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:08.880
of the y the rescue guys.

860
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:09.679
I love that dude.

861
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:14.039
But when they break off and they say this shit

862
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:18.239
is too serious for us to even attempt to save

863
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:21.360
these guys, like we're going to die and we're out

864
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.440
of gas, and you know, I mean when it's too

865
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:26.840
much for these guys that you've seen do all the

866
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:31.800
soro stuff, like you know, it's just devastating. It's it's

867
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.360
a once in a lifetime storm. So that to me

868
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:38.159
is when it goes from being like, oh, it's serious,

869
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:41.239
but you know we'll be okay too, Like, now these

870
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:42.079
guys are screwed.

871
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:44.679
Yeah, well, even I like I like the dash he

872
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:48.239
he treats it seriously but also gives you that touch

873
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:52.519
of a you know, comedic levity. You know, we're going

874
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:56.559
after some fishermen have lost their way, well possibly their minds.

875
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:00.360
You know, you're right, it's like it's too crazy to

876
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.239
be true. But good, good call, Amber. I'm with you

877
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:03.800
on that one.

878
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:06.480
Uh, let's take one last break and when we come back,

879
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:12.360
we'll start wrapping things up, all right, Amber, So if

880
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:17.079
someone was unfamiliar with Wolfgang Peterson, and they asked you

881
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:18.719
for some suggestions.

882
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:22.719
What three movies would you have them watch?

883
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:24.960
And three?

884
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.079
Try your best, just follow the rules.

885
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.280
Damn it, give me one.

886
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:34.079
Let's go, let's let's go back and forth here, what's

887
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:34.960
what's your first pick?

888
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:39.599
Well, I love when I'm reminded. Like I said earlier,

889
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:41.719
I always forget about the Never Ending Story.

890
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:49.039
Never was never an extort that think that movie is awesome.

891
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:53.599
That movie is such a classic. And you know, if

892
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.519
my childhood had to be traumatized by it, then so

893
00:48:57.639 --> 00:48:58.480
did yours.

894
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:03.199
Well, yeah, we have the Never Story to thank for

895
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:04.320
teaching us about death.

896
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.000
Yes, like the swamps of sadness with with our texts.

897
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:12.599
It's just that's the worst scene ever. Like that is

898
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.119
the saddest scene ever.

899
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:19.239
I am willing up right now starting to cry just

900
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:24.840
thinking about it, because it's anger, frustration, sadness, like, oh,

901
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.679
just plethora of emotions going through our hero tray of

902
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:29.400
his mind.

903
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.840
For this horse and you just you got you gotta

904
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:34.199
let him go. It kills me.

905
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:36.760
Yeah, it's it's devastating.

906
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:38.119
I gotta tell you.

907
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:43.639
Neverning Story is always referenced on our road trips.

908
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:45.880
When we go to these these conventions.

909
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:53.360
Really well, it's it's because of Morla. Anytime you like, yeah, Morla,

910
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:55.920
the ancient one. Anytime we're like, okay, we've we got

911
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.280
to get up at three, three forty five in the

912
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.280
morning because we're driving to Pittsburgh, you know, and then

913
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:06.639
you were like, you, oh, the line to see Matthew Lillard.

914
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.760
There's like seven hundred people waiting and there's a line

915
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:12.719
to get into line to get into the line, and

916
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:15.480
immediately we're we it never fails.

917
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:16.920
At some point, you're gonna hear one of us go

918
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:18.440
you can't.

919
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:23.639
It's ten thousand miles away.

920
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:30.679
Where's the food court at it on level three? I'm

921
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.239
not going down there. That's ten thousand miles away.

922
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:35.800
Yeah, that is awesome.

923
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:40.639
I love the never ending story. I'll go I'll give

924
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:42.880
you one. Nineteen eighty five.

925
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.199
Oh you're still in mine?

926
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:46.679
Is that your next one?

927
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:48.760
That was gonna be my next one? Enemy? Mine is

928
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:50.880
the best movie.

929
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.639
We covered this one in our third season listeners, go

930
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:54.840
back and check it out if you haven't.

931
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:55.760
If you haven't heard that.

932
00:50:55.719 --> 00:51:00.800
One, Amber, it almost wasn't a Wolf Peterson movie.

933
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:01.280
Did you know that?

934
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:06.719
No? Yeah, Terry Gillam was offered the job, but he

935
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:10.280
turned it down because he wanted to develop his own

936
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:16.719
fantasy project and that was eventually it became his dystopian

937
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:18.039
sci fi film Brazil.

938
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:20.320
So I think we all won.

939
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.960
Everybody say that's a win win as far as I'm

940
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:27.639
everybody wins there, yeah, enemy mine, so good.

941
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.360
All right, Well we've gone through two of your picks.

942
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:31.719
I'll give you my second pick then.

943
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:32.239
Yeah.

944
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.719
Nineteen ninety three in the Line of Fire.

945
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:40.519
Oh, the assassination one. Yes, I like that one for

946
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:43.320
the workaround on how he got the gun in.

947
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.199
Yes, that was really clever.

948
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:46.920
I like that.

949
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:51.320
Did you know that the character that Cleane Eastwood plays

950
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.679
was inspired by a real life secret Service agent who

951
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:56.400
was with in Dallas.

952
00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:58.559
It was the guy that jumped on the back of

953
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:00.119
the littone know.

954
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:05.440
Yeah, did you know what that guy's name was? No, Clint, No,

955
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.400
it was I promise Clint Hill was his name?

956
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:14.280
Clint playing a secret service agent based off of Secret

957
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:15.880
Service agent Clint?

958
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:18.960
Like, how many people in the world are named Clint? Anyways,

959
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:19.880
those are the two.

960
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:21.920
If I had a son, I'll name him Clint, just

961
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.880
because we got to keep it going. No, this was

962
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:29.400
I think Malcolvich got he got nominated for an Academy

963
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:33.119
Award for his betrayal, which is just haunting.

964
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.320
I mean, it's so good. I think that's Malcolm Itch's

965
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:36.760
best role in my opinion.

966
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.760
And you know, we didn't really talk about this in

967
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:42.119
like bits of Trivia, but did you know that Wolfgan

968
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:45.639
Peterson has a habit of convincing his stars to do

969
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:46.400
their own stunts.

970
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:48.960
No, he wants to.

971
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:50.920
They don't want you to do it.

972
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:53.199
They yeah, the studio is like hell no.

973
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.639
But he wants to get he wants to get the

974
00:52:56.679 --> 00:52:59.360
right shots, and he doesn't you know, if he can

975
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:02.079
help it. He does at one you know, someone else

976
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:03.639
playing the playing the part.

977
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:05.199
Go back to in the Line of Fire.

978
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.480
There's that moment where Clint he's chasing Booth and he

979
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:10.800
makes the jump, but he's a little short and he's

980
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:11.679
hanging off that building.

981
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:15.159
That is actually sixty two year old.

982
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:18.000
Clint Eastwood hanging off that building by like a like

983
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.199
a little rope, a little bit like it's hidden. Obviously

984
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.880
you can't see it, but the man was doing his

985
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:24.000
own stunts because WOLFGANE.

986
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:26.719
Peterson was like, come on, how about that?

987
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:29.599
I gotta watch that movie again. I probably haven't seen

988
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:30.360
it since nineteen year.

989
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:32.880
We don't think about it like it's I know, I

990
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:35.119
know the end of things. I know the end of November.

991
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:38.599
We'll we immediately we're thinking about Thanksgiving, but you know

992
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:42.480
it's the the anniversary of the assassination. So yeah, I

993
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.199
don't know, call me, call me wrong, but I like

994
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:48.400
watching JFK and In a Line of Fire because that's.

995
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:49.960
The double feature.

996
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:51.800
Huh, yeah, that's double feature.

997
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:52.360
Good choice.

998
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:57.159
Yeah, Stone and Peterson can't can't get wrong, all right, Amember?

999
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.400
One last pick for you? What do you got?

1000
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:02.519
Okay? So for this one, I went kind of out

1001
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:08.239
of the box a little bit from nineteen ninety one.

1002
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:13.840
It's a movie called Shattered, okay, starring Tom Behringer. And

1003
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:19.159
you'll remember from your favorite movie The Player, Greta Scaki.

1004
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:22.119
I forget Robert Dolmans a player.

1005
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:26.039
You love that movie, but she loved her.

1006
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:27.840
Did that.

1007
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:34.199
But yeah, it's a it's a film noir about a

1008
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:38.440
guy who gets in this horrible car accident and his

1009
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:41.960
face is all like mangled and stuff, and he's in

1010
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:44.400
the hospital for weeks, and he wakes up and he

1011
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:49.480
has amnesia. And he has to start piecing together, like

1012
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:52.079
what's going on with his wife? How did he have

1013
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:52.840
the car wreck?

1014
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:59.360
Okay, I you're you're you're educating me here. So I

1015
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:02.880
love Wolfgang Peterson, love Tom Barringer, and I love a

1016
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:03.599
good film noir.

1017
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:08.639
So I will search for this on TB or.

1018
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:11.480
I think I saw it most recently on to be

1019
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:12.960
all Right.

1020
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:15.480
Yeah, I love to be I'm gonna I'm gonna find

1021
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:17.280
this because you you've convinced me.

1022
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:18.400
I gotta. I gotta check this out.

1023
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:19.280
It's good.

1024
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:21.760
But I got one more for you. My third.

1025
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:26.199
I know it's gonna be Oh you do, I do what?

1026
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:27.320
It's gonna be air Force one.

1027
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:29.239
It is not air Force one.

1028
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:33.480
No, no, uh you know you you thought I was

1029
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:36.800
a zig. I'm actually gonna zag. Yeah, it's not air

1030
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:38.679
Force one. And I would love for it to be

1031
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:39.440
Doss Boot.

1032
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:42.159
For ninteen eighty one, but it's not. Well, I've boots.

1033
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:43.800
So I didn't pick that one because.

1034
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:48.360
I'm going with nineteen ninety five's Outbreak. Oh my god.

1035
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:50.360
I think of that damn movie every time I go

1036
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:52.840
to a movie theater because there's a scene where a

1037
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:56.639
person sneezes and the like droplets go in somebody the.

1038
00:55:56.639 --> 00:56:00.880
Mauplets like, oh I got it, surf through the air,

1039
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.559
and then yeah, yeah, that was.

1040
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.760
A good movie that was like terrifying at the time.

1041
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:09.800
Well it's terrifying, but like the only one thing.

1042
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:11.239
You had was the Andromeda Strain.

1043
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:13.440
Yeah. Well think about this though.

1044
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:19.119
Five years ago COVID hits and in twenty twenty, Outbreak,

1045
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:21.719
like for the first time in twenty five years, hits

1046
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:26.079
Netflix Top ten. Everyone is wanting to watch Outbreak, and

1047
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:28.719
I think part of us is like we're watching it

1048
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.280
as like a what do we do next type of thing?

1049
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:38.360
Yeah, yeah, this Contagion are absolutely terrified.

1050
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:39.440
I'm not gonna lie.

1051
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.840
I when the pandemic hit, I wanted a good scary

1052
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:43.480
double feature.

1053
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:45.159
I did Contagion and I did Outbreak.

1054
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:49.199
Oh my god. And then you took a silkwood shower

1055
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:51.360
and did not leave your house. No.

1056
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:53.559
I packed a bag and I just waited for like

1057
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:57.599
the trucks to roll in and the biohezard suits stay indoors.

1058
00:56:57.639 --> 00:56:58.199
Citizens.

1059
00:56:58.239 --> 00:56:59.559
I was like, nope, I'm getting the hell out of

1060
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:01.320
here soon as I see those guys show up.

1061
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:03.000
Uh did you Okay?

1062
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:06.400
So that film initially was conceived as a as a

1063
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.039
big blockbuster action adventure movie.

1064
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:08.480
Did you know that?

1065
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:09.559
No?

1066
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:14.840
Uh yeah, so action adventure and that I don't know.

1067
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:17.639
Well, originally it was supposed to be.

1068
00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:21.719
And after Harrison Ford turned it down and Mel Gibson

1069
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:23.480
turned it down, they're doing those guys are turning down

1070
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:24.400
a lot of things lately.

1071
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:27.519
I mean, at least on the episode, and then Sylvester

1072
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:28.760
Stallone turns it down.

1073
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:33.239
It was rewritten as a dramatic thriller once Dustin Hoffman

1074
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:36.320
took the role because as soon as Peterson got Dustin Hoffman,

1075
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.760
he's like, you know what, this could work, but let's

1076
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:40.400
change it up a little bit, like no one's gonna

1077
00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:43.960
believe him jumping off of rooftops.

1078
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:45.960
And yeah, we got to push the science we got.

1079
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:48.280
Yeah, but the movie's better for it.

1080
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:53.559
Yeah, yeah, definitely, I'll go again again.

1081
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:54.400
Yeah.

1082
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:56.599
Well, you know, it's it's funny because like you think

1083
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:59.760
Renee Russo, like, in what world is she looking at

1084
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:04.920
dust and Hoffman, who's significantly older than her and you know,

1085
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:06.519
not looking like an action hero.

1086
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.159
You know, you're like, really they were a couple.

1087
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:12.800
But when you think that originally she was supposed to

1088
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:18.400
be with Harrison or mel Or sly makes a little

1089
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:21.000
bit more sense, you know. Yeah, but I'm gonna go

1090
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.119
one more layer deep in some fun facts for you

1091
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:29.960
think about this. This movie was written for Harrison Ford

1092
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:33.840
and Dustin Hoffman was the one that got it. If

1093
00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:37.480
you go back in time, there was a Dustin Hoffman movie.

1094
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:39.880
It was written for Dustin Hoffman. Can see for Dustin

1095
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.800
Hoffman who turned it down and Harrison Ford took it

1096
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.880
in that movie was Blade Runner?

1097
00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:47.440
Oh thank god?

1098
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:52.119
Well run around chasing replicants.

1099
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.079
I mean I'm not even the biggest Blade Runner fan,

1100
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:56.079
and even I'm like.

1101
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:59.800
Dude, Rudger howerd kicked his ass, like for sure.

1102
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:06.480
All right, Amber, what's your recommendation, like for The Perfect Storm?

1103
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:08.519
I mean, you read the book multiple times, You've watched

1104
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:10.880
the movie multiplied this, you're recommending this one right.

1105
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:13.199
Yeah, one hundred percent. And like I said, you know,

1106
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:17.199
put respect on the name of these men that go

1107
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:20.159
out and do the hard things, like this is a

1108
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:24.400
job that is like no other, and you know it's

1109
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:27.119
a true story, Like you know, put respect on their name.

1110
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:30.679
This one should be in your collection and before you

1111
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:34.039
go download it or you buy a digital copy, keep

1112
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:36.960
in mind that you'll be missing out on an amazing

1113
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:41.480
DVD or Blu ray because the extras are as bountiful

1114
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:45.599
as a glossman's catch. I'm talking about behind the scenes featurettes.

1115
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:47.440
I'm talking about not one.

1116
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:51.880
Amber, but three audio commentaries. You get.

1117
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.400
You get an audio commentary with Wolfgang Peterson, which is amazing.

1118
00:59:56.039 --> 01:00:00.480
You get an audio commentary with the effects team, which

1119
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:02.840
why do we didn't even talk about that? But you know,

1120
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.119
we all get hung up on like the amazing wave

1121
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:06.559
at the end.

1122
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:07.320
It's on the poster.

1123
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:11.199
But when you watch the commentary track and you find

1124
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:15.960
out how much digital effects went into this movie, and

1125
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:18.480
the true sign of great work is that you don't

1126
01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:21.440
know that it's there. And I'm talking about little things

1127
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.559
like the boat to the Andrea Gel when it's in harbor.

1128
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:27.480
They needed it to be about six to ten feet

1129
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:30.800
higher in the water. They made it happen. They digitally

1130
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:33.480
created it, They lifted it without you knowing it.

1131
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:34.800
Oh, never kidding.

1132
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:39.760
Little scenes like John c Riley driving with his little

1133
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:42.880
boy in the car. They had to create that digitally,

1134
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.360
Like it's just you know, like the the shipping containers

1135
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:48.440
on that one vessel where they kind of dump out.

1136
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:51.880
It's the stuff that you don't think about because we're

1137
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:54.840
waiting for like a giant Poseidon Adventro type wave to

1138
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:58.000
destroy this boat. And we get that, but there's so

1139
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:00.679
much else that you have no idea. You just like

1140
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:05.320
from like the water, the you know, the rainfall, all that,

1141
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:06.800
and it's it's incredible.

1142
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:08.159
Definitely a fun deep dive.

1143
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:13.679
Uh. And one other audio commentary, your boy Sebastian Younger.

1144
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:14.159
Uh.

1145
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:16.800
He does an audio commentary for the movie, which is

1146
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:17.440
pretty awesome.

1147
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:19.280
So, oh, I bet that's interesting.

1148
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:20.599
Yeah, check it. Check it out.

1149
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:24.440
You gotta get a physical copy of this one for sure. Listeners,

1150
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:27.960
what do you think of Wolfgang Peterson's The Perfect Storm?

1151
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:30.159
You can let us know on social media. You'll find

1152
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:33.719
us on Facebook, Instagram, and x. You can check out

1153
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:36.119
a film by podcast dot com for all of our

1154
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:38.440
film and uh TV articles.

1155
01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:40.480
You can uh. Angela are very own.

1156
01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:43.400
Angel I was gonna say, we just got a new review.

1157
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:45.800
Did you read Did you read her article on frank

1158
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:53.199
It was very good Patreon members amber she uh she.

1159
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:58.639
Wrote in a more in depth, little little spoiler filled analysis.

1160
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.559
I mean the looks like two hundred and fifty years old. Like, let's.

1161
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:07.280
How much I'll tell you what Angela wrote this incredible piece.

1162
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:10.519
Uh like the extended version I guess you could say,

1163
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:11.440
is on Patreon.

1164
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:14.199
But check out out yet.

1165
01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:16.800
Yeah, hit the hit the website. You got you guys, if.

1166
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:19.480
You're thinking about Franken Sein or uh you have questions

1167
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:21.360
about it, you got you gotta check out Angela's article.

1168
01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:24.400
It's it's pretty amazing that is on the website. You

1169
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:26.360
can write to us at a film by podcast at

1170
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:30.039
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1171
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:32.199
may just read your response on the show and send

1172
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:36.239
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1173
01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:39.079
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1174
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.920
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1175
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:46.159
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1176
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01:02:57.360 --> 01:02:59.719
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1180
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:04.320
thousd twenty six. So Amber, I gotta say thank you

1181
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:07.760
for having a chat about the Andrea Gail and her

1182
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.840
crew with me and uh and definitely big thank you

1183
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:12.880
for an amazing job.

1184
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:13.400
This month.

1185
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:16.920
You hosted a few times, and I gotta tell you,

1186
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:19.159
I thought I thought those episodes were fantastic.

1187
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:21.400
Well, thank you. They were sure fun to do.

1188
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:25.239
And to all of you listening to the show, following

1189
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:29.719
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1190
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:42.599
and our Patreon, we certainly thank you. Another quick break

1191
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:44.480
and then we got to talk music.

1192
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:45.880
Oh yes we do.

1193
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:49.960
I'm gonna use the bathroom real quick. Okay, I will

1194
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:50.480
cut that out.