1996: Mary Reilly

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It was the mid nineties. Some
of us were a year or two out

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of high school and some of us
were a year or two into college.

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We didn't know who we wanted to
be, but we knew where we wanted

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to be, the movie theater.
These are the movies of nineteen ninety six.

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What's up, everybody? I'm Jeff
Johnson from a film by podcast.

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With our gnarly new limited series,
we broke down the fresh films of nineteen

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eighty six. We examined the gritty
cinemascape of nineteen seventy six, and now

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it's time to check out the Hella
Good flicks of nineteen ninety six. Amber

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Lewis, better known as the Voice
of Reason in the podcas cast World,

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has shared her viewpoints many times on
our limited series. She has been my

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co host several times on a Film
Buy, and she is with us today

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on nineteen ninety six. Hello,
good to be back. Great to have

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you back. First question. You
walk up to the bar to the far

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left. At the at the end
of the bar you see you see Malkovich

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Jekyl, and on the opposite end
of the bar you see Malcovich hide and

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the bartender slides a drink in front
of you and says, this is from

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the guy at the end of the
bar. Who are you hoping that drink

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is from? I mean just from
a safety standpoint, Uh, definitely doctor

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Jekyl, but from a like compelling
Hello, who is that standpoint? Well,

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I wouldn't mind it coming from Eyde
either. Okay, Well, listen,

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I thought we were going to lose
all the bad boys in the audience,

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but I guess they'll stay tuned in
because this could go either way.

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There you have it, listeners,
please join us in the laboratory for a

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discussion about Mary Riley. In the
house of Doctor Jekyll, there lived a

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chambermaid named Mary Riley. When did
you last see the doctor's assistant, mister

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Redwood had Please don't interfere now she's
about to take side. What did you

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get in the battle between good and
evil? I saw the room. There

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was blood on the ceilings. Julia
Roberts or others John Malkovich, Mary R.

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Rated r at Theaters, February twenty
third. Mary Riley is a dutiful

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housemaid in the employe of the noble
doctor Henry Jekyl, whom she admires very

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much. And while Jekyll's interest in
her grows, she finds herself drawn to

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his mysterious partner, mister Edward Hyde, a man whose charm and offensive behavior

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are equally alluring. Just ask Gamber. The more time Mary spends with both

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men, the more dangerous her situation
becomes. How about it, Amber,

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This was actually my first time watching
it, and I was pleasantly surprised.

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I actually was very pleasantly surprised,
especially going into this knowing what the critics

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thought of it and what the ap
I mean, I remember when it came

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out and I didn't watch it then
because they were just like it was garbage.

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So I felt the same way.
I remember ninety six this, you're

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seeing this, we're seeing the previews, and I was just like, immediately

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hard pass, you know, I
mean the nineties culture? Is there a

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nineties culture influence in this film?
Because I mean, if we're talking in

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eighteen nineties, then one could suggest
that the drug culture in London, you

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know, be it opium or personality
changing opotions, it's becoming more commonly practiced,

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right you know. Obviously, I
mean we didn't even get like the

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real Julia Roberts in this, so
no, which I think was a big

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It was definitely off putting for me. I think it was a big problem

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for a lot of yours. Interesting
that you say that, because Julia Roberts

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is at the height of her stardom
and power in Hollywood. I mean,

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think about this pretty woman in Flatliners
in ninety Sleeping with the Enemy, Dying

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Young, and and Hook in ninety
one, Pelican Brief in ninety three,

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and in ninety six, she's got
this one Michael Collins, a Woody Allen

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movie, plus a pretty notable guest
spot on Friends. So this is a

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time when she's America's sweetheart and one
of people's fifty most beautiful, and we

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left her alone with the box office
this time, well, they made her

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completely unrecognizable, which I'm not entirely
sure what the point of that was,

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Like, it's not like you're gonna
disappear into this character and forget that she's

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Julia Roberts. So I think the
movies that she did that were successful at

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this time, it was she was
playing a believable character as Julia Roberts.

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I think you're onto something there,
because I mean, is it necessary to

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let's just talk about her look Okay, I feel like they go out of

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their way to make her they you
know, this movie wants Julia Roberts in

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the lead role, but they want
you to forget that she is one of

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people's fifty most beautiful people on the
planet because they give her a terrible haircut.

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You know, she's frail, she's
very ghostly and pale. Yeah,

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Like they even dyed her eyebrows,
which like made them like you almost couldn't

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see them, which that is something
that you do to a character having just

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seen done too, to make them
look really unsettling, Like all the market

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in don't have eyebrows. Like it's
off putting. So you know, they

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just made her look as unattractive as
they possibly could. But like for why

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I was that's the question I'm asking
why, And did you find her accent

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or her attempt her attempt to act? Okay, so just as off putting

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my question. It's like Malcovich didn't
really even there you have it. Malkovich

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isn't even doing an accent, and
she's doing her best to stop close,

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who is like a genius doing some
weird I don't even know what the heck

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was going on there, So maybe
that's like a director choice where you know,

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I had a vision and we just
weren't there. I don't know,

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well, Stephen Fers, I know
he had worked with her before, and

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Glenn Close. I know, we'll
get to her here in a minute.

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But I just feel like her prep
was, Hey, anyone got a copy

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of the nineteen eighty four My Amadeas, I'll just watch that and that's I

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mean, I'm good, but but
but Julia. The problem with the problem

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when when an American tries to do
an accent, they I feel like most

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of the time they don't commit fully. And what I mean by that is

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the accent will slip in and out, because several times she's delivering dialogue where

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she is absolutely Julia Roberts, and
most of the time she's this very sheltered

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Scottish woman who kind of mumbles her
lines and make up your mind's go one

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way or the other. You know, Yeah, like there's no excuse for

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not prepping. And I kind of
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she was kind of at the height
of her popularity at the time,

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and like rumor has it, she
had a jet on standby, you know

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about the jet you know, so
she can fly back to la whenever she

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needed to. So if you are
that person, then you can either say

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I need this X Y Z,
you know, to prep or I'm not

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doing this when you have TriStar pay
one hundred and twenty thousand dollars just to

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park a jet on the tarmac in
case you want to fly back to California.

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Yes, you have the power to
say this person is the best vocal

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coach in the world. Get them, or I get it. We're in

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London and I'm from Scotland, but
I'm gonna not do the act because Malcovich

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isn't doing it either. Yeah.
Yeah, let's make a choice. The

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audiences made a choice because this movie
opens to poor reviews and absolutely bombs.

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It makes twelve million on a budget
of forty seven million. Audiences surveyed by

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cinema Score gave the film a grade
of C and critics offered mixed to average

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reviews, citing a real lack of
chemistry between Roberts and Malkovich. One one

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in particular, Entertainment weekly is Owen
Glibberman stated that, quote Frears and Hampton,

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he was the writer reduce the three
major characters to drawing room stiffs who

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sit around explaining their passion instead of
acting on it. I really love that

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quote because when you hear that and
you and you, and especially if when

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you've just seen the movie, he's
not wrong. Yes, yeah, And

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I know listen, I know you
know you said you enjoyed this. I

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know I enjoyed, and I know
so far we sound like we're really we're

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very much, we're very much giving
it a hide review here I style review.

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But you know, I just want
to point out, like why why

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a lot of people didn't see this
is this is one of those hidden gems

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from from nineteen ninety six. Maybe
maybe we weren't ready for it. You

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know, a period movie like this
is fantastic, but maybe it's just a

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year or two too soon. What
do you think? I did read something

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from a like an unnamed studio source
that said, you know, this was

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supposed to be like just this dark, little atmospheric kind of thing, and

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once you got like the cleague lights
of major Hollywood talent on it, it

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turned into like this big, sprawling
mess that they were trying to make the

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movie fit the reputation of Julia Roberts
and ooh okay. Instead of just keeping

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it, you know, very contained
and very small. And you know,

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so maybe if they hadn't kind of
aimed so high and tried to shoot for

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like a big opening and you know, and attention and things like that and

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just kind of quietly under the radar
slip this in it, you know,

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Halloween, people would have been surprised, and it, you know, might

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have picked up more on you know, word of mouth. I think your

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reputation is the voice of reason is
well earned with with a statement like that.

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Let's take a quick break and when
we get back, we'll go behind

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the scenes and talk about some of
the cast. Now you can ask Angela

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Lansbury about buffering. Angela, for
a tough headache, is buffering really strong?

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Asper? Oh my, yes,
I've learned extra strength of buffering has

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the strongest dose of aspirin you can
buy, one thousand milligrams. Mis Lasbury.

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How can buffer and be so strong
if it has buffers? I wondered

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myself till I heard that the buffers
don't weaken it. They just help prevent

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aspirins tomach upset. I depend on
bufferin. Shouldn't you discover the strength of

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buffering? Welcome back, we've got
Amber Lewis with us. We are talking

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about Mary Riley a little bit about
the production history on this one, Amber,

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And I know you probably know a
lot of this, so I will

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I'll offer it for our listeners.
Let's talk about the timeline for how this

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movie gets made. Eighteen eighty six, Robert Lewis Stevenson writes the novella The

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Strange Case of Doctor Jekyll and Mister
Hyde. And then fast forward to nineteen

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ninety, Valerie Martin, who was
inspired by his novella, writes Mary Riley.

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It's option by Warner Brothers, and
a year later it makes its way

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to Sony where Tim Burton is planning
to direct waynowna writer in the title role.

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Let's just marinate for just a second
in that world. How great is

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that film? Tim Burton directing a
Jocko and Hyde movie and he's got a

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writer in nineteen ninety Yes, and
I love her. I always loved her.

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And really, when you you know, as you continue, you're going

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to talk about you know, maybe
other people that could have played Doctor Jekyl,

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but anybody really I think with Tim
Burton and Win on a writer,

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like if they're willing to to go
full Burton like it would have been really

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good. You say, anybody,
and we'll talk about some of the people

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that could have been in the role. And I'm going to blow your mind

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with my pick later. But you
know I'm getting ahead of myself here.

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You gotta remember it was it was
John Peters, famous producer, you know,

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John Peters, Peter Guber. Peters
is the one that got Mary Riley

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over at Sony. And it's also
John Peters that puts ed Wood in Turnaround,

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which absolutely pisses Tim Burton off and
he walks away from the project in

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response. So if you're wondering why
there's no Tim Burton, Mary Riley,

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email John Peters and thank him.
He's the one that's a that's involved.

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They quickly replace Tim Burton with Stephen
Frears. He's brought into direct and the

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plan is to match Uma Thurman with
Daniel d Lewis. I mean, take

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all my money again. That's you
know you had, you had me with

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the Tim Burton project. Now you
know, you're like, okay, Uma

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Thurman and Daniel d Lewis. Absolutely
yes. Meanwhile, the studio, you

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never believe who they want. They're
saying they're telling, they're telling frears like,

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hey, wait, who slow down, Let's talk about al Pacino for

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a minute. Oh god, that's
actually a weird studio. Al Pacino has

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doctor Jekyl. Are you watching that
one? M? I mean he's like

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he's old enough to be one of
a writer's grandpa, you know. But

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well, and this was like,
hey, yeah, Mary, yeah,

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son of a woman, Era,
bring me Mary, bring me that potion?

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You know what, why'd you hire
Mary? She's got a greater Yeah,

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al but you know, does definitely
definitely does not work. Sadly,

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Daniel de Lewis said, nope,
not not doing it. And you and

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I I think it was you and
I have discussed Daniel d Lewis before.

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He is very picky but his roles
so he says no. And if you're

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wondering, okay, So let's talk
real quick. This is nineteen ninety,

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this is early nineties. So why
are we talking about Uma Thurman? Why

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is she a top draw? Because
Julia Roberts beats Uma Thurman out. Do

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we want to talk about that real
quick? Well, it was still like

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very early days Uma Thurman because she
had just done dangerous liaisons. I think

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that's why Stephen Ferz wanted her.
He was like, exactly what this amazing

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new uh, you know, exciting
new person. And I think it would

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have given her a huge boost.
If you pull Uma Thurman in, you

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have the ultimate dangerous liaisons reunion.
Because you got Stephen Freeres directing, you

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got Chris Chris Hampton writing it,
you got Glenn Close, you got John

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Malkovich and the name is escaping me
at the moment. But even the producers

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are the same, but last in
appropriate, like Julia Robbris I mean not

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that this is old, but like
she was pushing thirty. Yeah, she's

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like what she's like twenty nine,
She's on the edge of a thirty.

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Uma would have been for this role. I think you're right. Uh.

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The script goes through twenty five rewrites
now in the film, not like the

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whole script or was that just the
ending? I could never figure that out.

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So my research I looked into this
and basically it's the script gets twenty

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five rewrites and then he films three
different endings. You know, he's going

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full on, you know, no, you know, he gives his ending.

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Apparently test audiences hate it. Studio
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He tries some different stuff. Test
audiences hate it. Stud says, okay,

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whatever, just put his original one
back in, because you have to

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remember he after it's all said and
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editor to try and do a different
cut. I mean, this is not

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the kind of not the kind of
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that's that's about to come out.
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Malcovich and Roberts definitely did not get
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that's not always a terrible thing because
they're I don't think so actors that like

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completely hated each other. But that
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it does. I don't think it
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you pump out and this is pre
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you're hearing that kind of buzz.
It's not exactly hitting movie websites and you

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know great great sites like a film
by you know, it's not hidden.

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So we just hear like the it's
Hollywood hearing about the back and forth and

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the star is not getting along,
and then the movie's starting to go over

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budget. There's all these rewrites,
we're shooting different angles. Test sciences aren't

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getting along with it, and so
what do we do? We dump it

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in February. I think that was
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like, don't even try. Apparently, Ah, they didn't. I'll tell

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you who did try. Can we
talk about the film the film score for

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a minute. I was blown away
by the score. So George Fenton,

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who he's in that Dangerous Liaison's alumni, right, He's done some good work.

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because it is moody, it's atmospheric, you know, it really gives the

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movie a sense of tension and a
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to give that to us, you
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and the production design, h like
if you just kind of look at everything

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else, don't really look at the
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at home in a Hitchcock film.
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kind of substitute it for a lot
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right. So we talked. We
you know, we talked about Julia a

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little bit. Malkovich. Malkovich,
this is a very interesting time for him

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because he has built up some street
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and this is before obviously, this
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know, he's a few years after
Dangerous Liaisons. We haven't seen him in

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Rounders yet, we haven't seen him
in conn Air where he's playing these over

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the top villains, but we have
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Line of Fire. So I feel
like he's a hot ticket and definitely someone

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you can go, Yeah, this
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However, like a lot of the
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with a movie, especially a movie
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the chemistry has got to be right, and it's not here. Yeah,

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am I wrong? Or I feel
like Julia Roberts was really hamstrung, like

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she was really trying to create this
fully flashed character and it just that wasn't

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who she was then. And so
if she had just been sleeping with the

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enemy, Julia Roberts, that we
like, you know, that makes you

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root for her, that makes you
care for her, that has emotions,

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and you know, is invested in
this story. You know, you can't

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act in a vacuum. So I
feel like Malcovich like he just didn't really

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have a whole lot to work with, because I feel like what he did

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was amazing. When he walked in
his hide, I was like, oh

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no, mister Hyde, like,
that's the end of the library. I

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was like, damn, okay,
let the movie begin. We better cool

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hamber off here. Now. I
think you're right. I think this movie

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absolutely works with Julia Roberts. I
think this movie absolutely works with John Malkovich.

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But it does not work with Julia
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will say this, it's not the
Jacqueline Hyde story. It's not which threw

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me off. And I think if
I thought it was gonna be, I

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didn't know about the book, okay, So I thought it was going to

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be like the Jackal and Hyde story
that we all know, Oh okay kind

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of told you know, from over
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is seeing and experiencing as a member
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I think that would have been a
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trying to make them like have a
relationship or be in love or whatever.

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If it had been kind of her
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figure out what's going on because she's
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and he's got a fiance that he's
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going off and doing all this weird
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this mister Hyde? And that I
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completely. I like it if you're
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kills or oh no, they're cannon
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I love Karen Hines, but I
like, you dangled him in front

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of me for nothing. Well,
yeah, because he's you know, he's

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just some scumback who's you know,
one of the brothels. He's like a

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VIP member of the brothel that Glenn
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yeah, he's great, but I'm
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and not like I didn't even he
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like root for him to die.
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got he got killed. Bummer.
It's okay. Life goes on. So

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we also got a couple other great
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I know we we briefly discussed her
is she does she know what movie she's

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in? There? Here is one
thing that I did think of that kind

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of redeems whatever the hell was she
was doing, is if she was playing

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an english woman who was putting on
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like exotic. Okay, all right, then uh kay, kind of it

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makes sense. But I mean,
she was so good in Dangerous lays On,

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so I don't know why she wouldn't
just do the same thing. Yeah,

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and what what does it make sense
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be a very strong, willed,
fierce woman, and she's talking a big

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game about about Jekyl to to poor
little Julia Roberts. However, she in

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like her her rant. Every time
we see her, she's ranting, she's

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she's on the war path, and
then she ends every rant with just tell

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him I'll do whatever he says,
tell him whatever he is. I'm like,

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okay, so are you like what's
on her? Like I wanted to

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to get you know, information that
like, I just I don't understand it

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because one maybe you know, because
he clearly he is not going near this

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brothel. He explains that to Mary. You know, me in a place

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like that, I you know,
could never do that. He's a prestigious

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doctor. I mean, you saw
the name plate that she's shining at to

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begin in the movie. It's got
half the alphabet, you know after his

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name. He's he's obviously a doctor
of many medicines in schools. I just

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don't understand Glenn Close. I don't
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she she rages at at Julia Roberts. Yet she's always like very submissive in

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the end, she is going to
do whatever is asked of her. So

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yeah, but she also didn't seem
like ruthless enough to where she was just

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throwing these girls away to mister Hyde, I don't care, I'll get another.

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I mean, I feel like she's
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when he spots uh, I forget who

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he spots. I think I think
he mentions Mary Riley even was like,

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oh, I haven't seen her before, and yeah, she says that she

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has that that throway line. She's
like, hey, she's not even eighteen

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yet. Oh yeah, yeah,
because he he kind of hey, what's

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up, you know, which is
being such a creeper. He's definitely been

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a creeper. And I'm also I
want to be careful her because I don't

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want to. I don't want to
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if you're walking past all these women
that are you know, made up,

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they're painted up, they're ready,
they're ready for action, and then Joey

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Roberts shows up wet from the rain
with that dyed eyebrows and that that extremely

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uh that that extreme haircut she's got. Yeah, how is he walking by

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all these girls? And then he
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one, right I I don't know, but yeah, I still yeah,

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I was happy, you know,
I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't

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unhappy that he got he got killed. Yeah, another supporting player who we

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definitely if you feel that way about
Hines, you're gonna feel a certain way

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about about this guy. Michael Gambon, who he is as far he is,

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he is as far removed from Albus
Dumbledore as he possibly could be.

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Here. He plays Mary like and
we just see him in flashbacks for most

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of the movie, but he's he's
vile, he's so disgusting. Yeah,

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that was just horrific, And like, I'm not really sure what the point

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was. I mean, it was
the was the whole point to show us

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that she has had, like Mary
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life. Or maybe that's why she
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is because because she was abused as
a child. I guess I don't know

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it kind of I guess it would
have. I'm still stuck on the original

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story because it's such a good story. So in the original story, doctor

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Jekyl is engaged two very you know, appropriate, nice sweet young girl and

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then he as mister Hyde, takes
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and abuses and eventually kills. So
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to Okay, this is why Mary
Riley is going to accept this abuse from

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Hyde. Yeah, and you know, because this is how she thinks she's

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supposed to be treated and this is
how this dynamic is going to play out.

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But then it never had anything to
do with anything. Is the irony

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loss on you that In nineteen ninety
six, Michael Gambon is playing a vile

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tormentor of a child who is abusing
them and throwing them in a cupboard undneath

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the stairs. And then years later, now I did my time Michael Gambon

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was in a movie with the kid
locked in the closet. I'd have two

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Nichols, which is not a lot, but it's weird. Yeah. I

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always like to talk cameos and uh
before they were famous extras. I'd love

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to seeing Michael Sheen here. Maybe
Michael Sheen, ohys specular as ever.

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One thing you can say about this
household of all of the weight staff and

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the you know, the cook and
the butler, if that's what he if

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that's what that guy's job was.
Everyone is so repressed and it's so dark

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and moody and Victorian London and Sheen. Every time the camera is on him,

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he has got the biggest smile,
onest face. He is just full

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of life and oh that would have
been great. Well yeah, but he

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could. Could he have been the
butler with that, with that that good

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nature, that that fun atmosphere around
him, that fun vibe he was given

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off? Yeah, probably not.
He's like very unprofessional. Well think of

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Okay, So think about let's fast
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in the Underworld movies that Michael Sheen
could have been the head butler. Yes,

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uh, you know Jacky's right hand
man. But this, you know,

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baby sheen is you're calling him.
He's just too full of life.

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We can't contains those shoes. Every
time he came on the screen, I

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was like, yes, yeah,
yeah, Like, oh, is baby

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she at breakfast? Yeah right,
I'll go down. I'm having breakfast.

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Yeah. Did you see the way
he was attacking those shoes with with just

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clean of the clean the hell out
of them. Love him, Amber,

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Let's take one more break and when
we get back, it'll be time to

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keep it real. We are back, Amber Lewis, it is time to

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be keeping it real. A couple
questions. You are familiar with this.

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I know you have been with us
on our nineteen eighty six series where we

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had some fun questions in the breakdown. We did it, We did a

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little. We did this again with
our nineteen seventy six series, so it's

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only fitting we do it here on
nineteen ninety six. I'm going to start

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off my first question to you.
One of our favorite actors Billy Zopka was

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dominating dojo's high school cafeterias and college
swimming pools in some of the best movies

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in the nineteen eighties, but then
he's notably absent from Hollywood for most of

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the nineties. So the question is
what about zob Amber replaced one actor from

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this film with way Zapka. Oh, I think the butler, the older,

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older, rough butler. Yeah,
Like, I don't think that he

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was. He was kind of just
like just grumpy, and Sabka would have

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made him like an actual villain,
like torturing Maryley and giving her such a

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hard time. If he's the head, if he's the head of household for

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the you know, for the wait
staff, what are the chances him and

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baby Sheen are they got their own
little dojo happening out in the courtyard where

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she's playing flowers. Is that possible? Yeah? They would have totally been

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protecting Hide, helping him sneak in
and out, and they would have been

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totally on his side. It would
be since a Hide, He'd be like,

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yeah, he'd be like John Krasty'd
be since a Hide. All right,

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Okay, I like that. Uh, I'm going big here. I

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say, Zopka replaces Malkovich and here's
wow. Hey, I just said not

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too long ago, I said,
hey, it works with one of the

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stars, but not both of them. Zopka is age appropriate at this point.

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And if Malcovich it can't be bothered
to an accident. We don't need

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Zopka to do one either. This
is true. I'm all for it.

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And he did show us in Karate
Kid how two faced he could be,

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Like he was really sweet to Ali
and the country club and then study steady.

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He is the hero of the Karate
Kid. And if you want to

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have a long conversation when the mics
are I've gotten yelled at because I love

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that movie. But Andrew was quick
to point out that he wins with an

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illegal kick. Andrew Andrews in my
dojo, so he we see we see

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eyed eye on that one. All
right, before this becomes a William Zopka

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podcast question you have answered several times
Amber sequel, prequel remake. If you

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control this ip, what would be
your pitch to the studio to revive it.

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I would do a remake, and
I would uh make it more of

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a mystery. I would have you
know someone like uh, Florence Pew that

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I'm obsessed with and just watched in
in June, Like, have her kind

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of sleuthen out what's going on with
her? Boss. I like the idea

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of Florence Pew in the role of
Mary Riley. That's a good one.

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Like make her. Don't make her, you know, a whimpy character,

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make her a strong character. Make
her. I don't think she's ever played

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a weak character. Yeah, I'm
even counting Midsummer Is where she you know,

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some stuff happens, but I never
really saw her as a victim in

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that. Yeah. And then you
know, for Jacqueline Hyde. Uh,

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thinking of a movie, I love
Crimson Peak. I'm gonna say Tom Hidleston

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he needs to really play play like
a really hateful villain. Man. We

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covered Crimson Peak. We did Del
Toro a couple of seasons ago. I

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love that movie. That's a great
It's one of my favorites. Great pick'd

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be fantastic, is what that be? I'm gonna I'm gonna that he's never

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been able to really lean into the
villain like Loki is a hero. Yeah,

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I'll die on that hill. And
Crimson Peak, you know, his

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character is like just a tortured.
Yeah, you know, kind of gothic,

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uh, leading man, So we
really need him to be liked.

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I can go for it. Hi
Daddy, for sure, Hi daddy.

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Okay, all right, so Amber's
remake working title Hide Daddy. I'm gonna

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I'm gonna agree with you. Uh, definitely we go the remake route.

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And it's easy. Just call Tim
Burton back say say you're sorry. Yes,

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let him remake it his way.
And I still want one own a

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writer. I get it. She's
fifty two, but she is gorgeous.

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She's a fantastic actress. She's still
wowing us on stranger things. What's a

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different story. It doesn't have to
be, you know, just a Scullerymaide.

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She could be the housekeeper. She
could be the head of the house,

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you know, the head, you
know, like the older woman who's

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you know, more motherly. But
we don't want one on a writer to

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be you know, old and gray. We want her. Let her be

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went on a writer. Yeah,
now here' where I'm gonna blow your mind.

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We've talked all these people that potentially
we're going to be Jekyll and Hyde,

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and I got I got what I
feel is like a really good answer

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here. What on a writer her
Mary Riley will act opposite Hwan McGregor,

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who, yes, who also just
happens to be fifty two years old,

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has the accent, has the swagger, can play the gentleman, can play

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the bag. He could do it
all. Give me that movie and UGHO.

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McGregor has worked with Tim Burton before
he did Big Fish with him.

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Oh, big Fish is my favorite. I'm I'm ready for that one.

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Yes, I love your choices.
Hard to say, I don't. Listeners

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are going to have to tell us
which which remake they prefer, you know,

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if they're on Team member or not. But you know I wouldn't blame

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him if they were, because your
your idea was fantastic. One more question

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for you. Let's talk DVD extras. In nineteen ninety six, the DVD

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format is initially introduced to US markets. While the simplicity of the compact disc

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pleased US, the high definition wowed
us and had us tossing our VHS tapes

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out, But amber for cinophiles like
you and me, the exclusive special features

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were usually a no frill's package of
like scene selection, French and Spanish subtitles.

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You might have had a trailer this
one when this one comes out.

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Initially on its first run on DVD, it had some production notes and it

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had a making of featurette, which
is one of those. Basically, it's

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just a glorified promo, real from
Sony. You know, the cast of

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Mary Riley. Yeah, exactly.
So my question for you what DVD extra

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would you want on your DVD for
this film? You can have an audio

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commentary, you can have deleted scenes, or you can have a making of

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documentary. Which one you want?
If we could get them like some cocktails,

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I would love audio commentary with Stephen
Friars, Malkovich and Julia Roberts.

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I mean, throw everybody in there, like they're the Michael Sheen, you

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know, I want everybody, but
definitely those three. And you know,

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like I said, if you could
get you know, a couple of margaritas

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in them and have them like be
honest, you know, and you know

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she and Malcovich if they really didn't
like each other, like say that,

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say, hey, you know I
respect you, but we did not get

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along. H you know, I
would, uh, I would offer this

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to your your suggestion, I say, you bring them all in and no

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cocktails and then maybe a stop the
movie at the halfway point. M h,

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you hit happy hour so that malcol
So Malkovich can go from Jackal to

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hide. Yes, you know,
let Joey have a couple of drinks.

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Yeah, and then and they go, all right, let's get back in

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there. And then let's just hear
people go from from you know, let's

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hear the personality changes a little bit. I'd be up for that myself.

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I'm gonna take deleted scenes for this
one, and really all I want to

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see is either up the action,
you know, like hide about town,

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or develop some of the sexual tension
that we are supposed to feel. And

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I don't feel really landed. I
take either one of them. That's good.

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I like that. Let's talk about
the film's legacy. Amber, how

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is this film aged over time?
Is it a classic, a cult classic,

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or just a product of its time. I think you could call it

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a cult classic. Like I was
thinking, it's not a movie that where

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I'd be like, I'm never watching
this again. I think it's one of

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those you know you're watching, you
know, like a monster movie marathon for

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October and you want to see something
different, you know, you throw this

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one in it's it's got great atmosphere, great production value. It's fine.

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It's I've watched sports movies for a
Halloween marathon. I'll tell you. Last

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month, Scott and I discussed the
Hughes Brothers from Hell. Oh like this

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shole feature. This is a good
double feature, right, you're Victorian London.

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I like where I like where you're
going with it. As far as

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this film being a strong representation of
nineties culture, eighteen nineties, sure,

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not the nineteen ninety So I don't
know how much more we could talk about

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that. Do you feel like this
film impacted pop culture in any way?

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Because I got I got a hot
take for you. Well, I can't,

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off the top of my head think
of like any jekylin Hydeman since so

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it might have killed that genre,
you know. I think my take is

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that I think audiences had accepted it
was time for Julia to move on to

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more adult roles and decided it was
time for someone new to be America's sweetheart.

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And as as history tells us,
her name was Sandra Bullock. Ah

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good take transition to power there,
you know, yep, but it was

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a wooden wind. There was Yeah, there's no losers here. Well,

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Amber, last week you helped to
celebrate the forty fifth anniversary of Norma Ray

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on our limited series, A Film
at forty five Mary Riley this week,

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and I guess I should just make
you a key for the studio because you'll

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be back on Tuesday with me,
right, yep, all right, good.

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We will be talking about Greta Gerwig
as an my favorite filmmaker I have.

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I'll be honest with you. I
have not seen Ladybird, but oh,

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I'm a big fan of Timothy Shallome. I'm a big fan of Greta

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Gerwig. So I'm I'm going into
this one very optimistic. Are you in

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love with Social Running yet, because
if you're not, I think she is.

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Oh, She's a fantast She's fantastic. I've not seen her in a

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I've not seen her deliver a bad
role yet. Yeah, all right,

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awesome. I'm looking forward to Tuesday
then, And I thank you for your

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time today here in nineteen ninety six
with me. Oh, super fun.

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This is a good year, listeners. Thank you for checking out our latest

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limited series, nineteen ninety six.
We're gonna cover a lot of movies from

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the year, but we won't get
to them all. You can let us

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know which film from nineteen ninety six
is a must, or maybe you've got

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a hitten gym to recommend. Please
let us know. You can email us

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at a Film by Podcast at gmail
dot com. You can hit us up

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on social media channels. We're on
Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. As for

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00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:07.280
now, me and Amber got a
bounce, But next time on nineteen ninety

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six, our friend Amanda Janek will
be returning, so you know we're getting

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spooky. Join us, Join us
for the craft