1996: Mission:Impossible

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Good morning, mister Johnson. The
man you're looking at is Dayton Johnson.

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He's the host of a podcast called
Docking Bay seventy seven, where he often

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shares very controversial opinions about movies,
music, and pop culture in general.

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He also believes that the nineties are
the best decade for cinema. Your mission,

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Jeff, should you choose to accept
it, is to recruit Dayton as

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a guest for your limited nineteen ninety
six series and engage him in discussion about

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one of the biggest summer blockbusters of
that year. He will likely try to

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disparage the film Cobra or praise the
Last Jedi as a good Star Wars film,

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so be ready to censor him as
always. Should you or any member

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of the film Buy team be caught
or found in copyright violation, the secretary

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will disavow all knowledge of your actions. This message will self destruct in five

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seconds. Good luck, mister Johnson. What's up, everybody. I'm Jeff

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Johnson from a Film by podcast,
and I'm hoping you're down for our latest

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dope new series. We've broken down
the fresh films of nineteen eighty six.

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We examined the gritty Cinemascape of nineteen
seventy six, and now it's time to

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check out the Hella Good Flicks of
nineteen ninety six. So I'm going to

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jam this week. A film by
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at the top of the disavowed list
is Docking based seventy seven host Dayton Johnson.

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Hey, what's up dating? What
did I do to get this avowed?

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Man, I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna story. Well, we're not

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gonna. We're not gonna put that
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we want to We want to protect
you as much as we can. Hey,

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maybe the listeners can come up with
the story what did I do to

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get this avowed? Yeah? Oh, I'm sure they'd be go with.

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I'm sure they come up with some
good stuff. I'm sure they would.

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Day And I hope you brought your
red light green light chewing gum because it's

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time to catch the train for mission
impossible? Do you really think we can

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do this? What are going to
do this summer? Would be impossible?

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Is he serious? To catch your
breath, to keep your cool, to

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believe your eyes because you guys are
trained to be ghosts. Because this summer.

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You don't know what you're missing.
The impossible happens, Tom Cruise,

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Mission Impossible created Pg. Thirteen when
IMF agents Ethan Hunt and his mentor Jim

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Phelps going a covert assignment that meets
with disastrous results. Jim and the team

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are killed, leaving Ethan as the
prime suspect on the run. Ethan recruits

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a brilliant hacker and a renegade pilot
to help him break into a heavily guarded

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CIA building to steal the knock List, a confidential computer file that will prove

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his innocence. Daydan, it's been
twenty years. We're going on twenty plus

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years of Ethan Hunt. Tom Cruise
inaction as Ethan Hunt. It's hard to

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believe, isn't it. I feel
like we were just at the movie theater

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a few weeks ago, yeah,
and seeing Dead Reckoning, and you know,

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every time they put on another movie, I kind of go back to

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memories of this one and seeing this
one in the theater, and you know,

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the next level stunt that were in
this and very iconic imagery in the

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very first one. And I was
a fan of the TV show, so

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I was excited about them doing a
film version and actually ultimately happy with what

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we got. Do you So you
recall, okay, so you've seen the

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the nineteen sixty six television show.
I'm assuming in reruns. Yes, yes,

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I never got to see it.
You know, I'm wondering if it's

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on Paramount plus or two B or
something like that. I'd love to catch

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it. Yeah, it was a
fun show. It was one of those

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things that I remember. I remember
when FX first started and they had to

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fill a lot of their time slots
with and that most of what they filled

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it with was, you know,
reruns of old shows, and I caught

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it on there for a while,
and I remember as a kid living at

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home that it was on reruns as
well. So, yeah, it's a

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cool show. And I liked that, you know, that spy attitude,

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the spy show that was. It
was smart and fun and you know,

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kind of also ridiculous with their you
know, the ripping of the mask off

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the face and everything. And but
either way, it was always a fun,

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fun ride. And so, like
I said, when it came to

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the movie, I was all in
already. I came across a a fun

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fact doing doing a little homework for
this first Mission Impossible. Apparently this is

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the only one in the series that
that shows, you know, the whole

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removing the mask is like a famous
trope in these films. Now, apparently

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this is this is the only movie
that where it was an actual mask like

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that they were ripping off their face
affects Wizard Rob Bouteen responsible for it.

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Yeah, I'm kind of sad that
we don't. We don't get the practical

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effects anymore though, Yeah, I
mean I get it. Uh, you

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know, even though I think see
they had masks on, but you can

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tell that they're at least for my
eyes, it looked like it was emerging

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of two like they had the they
had the mask, and then they had

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the version that they could rip off, and that was a It was a

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blend because you can kind of see
it if you're really paying attention that you

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know, ever buy them, especially
when he pulls off the Phelps mask.

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There's a little bit difference from when
he takes it off, first grabs it,

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when actually comes off, but either
way, it's still fun. It

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still looks looks cool, and yeah, I mean, I'm always going to

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be a fan of practical effects,
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long as they can still make it
look good, then yeah, I guess

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digital is okay. Well, I
mean I'm taking a closer look at you

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right now. And if if at
the end of this episode you you pull

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your face off and I've been talking
to John Wright this whole time, I'll

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be I'll just be wowd Man.
So, uh so do you what do

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you think about nineties culture? Was
there was there a nineties culture uh influence

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for this film, because don't I
can think of one thing, but I

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wanted I wanted to see what your
your thoughts were. The only thing that

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kind of out at me, honestly
was the computer screens, you know,

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when they were getting online or whatever. It felt very clunky considering they're supposed

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to be, like, you know, so advanced as far as their equipment.

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That kind of threw me off,
and I kind of wish they would

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spend a little bit more time making
it look a little bit more slick.

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But that's the first thing that jumps
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nineteen nineties, and also the laptops
and cell phones were you know,

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there wasn't that many in the movie, but there they definitely looked very period,

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very mid nineties. Yeah. See, that's that's where I was going

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with probably like the tech that we
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six. We've seen the dawn of
the Internet, but it's still very relatively

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new. We still were still dialing
up at fifty six K on AOL to

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get into into chat rooms, like
when he's when he's chatting with the Max,

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like the im chat. Yeah,
you know that. That definitely feels

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like this is we're in the nineties
here, right, But it was also

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you know, you watch a movie
like this and you're like, you're not

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you know, for the first time, I feel like you're saying, well,

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that's really cool. I wish I
could do that. You're saying,

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oh, that's cool, because I
did. I did that before I came

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to the movie theater. You know, I was. I was on all

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earlier this afternoon chatting with people in
a chat group. So right, So

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this is the first film to be
released in three thousand plus theaters. It

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breaks the record for a film opening
on a Wednesday with eleven point eight million

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dollars. It just beats out the
previous box office holder. You want to

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tell us who that was, Dayton
and he guesses, uh, I'm talking

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for a Wednesday opening, But you're
on the spot here see see see if

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you can get it, this is
a Jurassic Park close. It was terminator

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to Judgment Day. It had held
the record for a Wednesday opening with eleven

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point seven million. Cruise beats it
with eleven point eight. But uh,

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and this book. I literally just
read that too, and I was like,

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wait, I know which one it
is. I mean this and this

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goes on. I mean, this
is a blockbuster. It goes on to

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make four hundred and fifty eight million
dollars. It's the third highest grossing film

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of nineteen ninety six, and while
most critics take issue with the complicated plot,

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they all praise it for the action, the suspense, the visual effects.

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You were you were praising it for
the visual effects earlier, are you?

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I don't know, Like I I'll
I get it. Like when I

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was when this, when this first
came out, I was a lot younger.

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The plot is a little convoluted.
See, But but I watch it

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now and I'm like, what what
Why? Why didn't we get it?

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Why? What wasn't what what weren't
we understanding? See? I see,

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to me, I don't feel like
it was confluted. My only complaint.

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It's one of those that the first
time you watch it, you're trying to

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figure it out. And to me
sitting back because I saw those complaints too,

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and I don't see it, because
how convlude it is it it?

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I mean, you know, Ethan
basically gets set up and they think,

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you know, they're coming out his
iron people are coming after him because I

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think it's him. He has to
prove himself innocent. How is it convoluted?

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I don't get It's not. It's
not like there's ten different things going

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on. You know. We find
out that, you know, Philips is

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still alive, and that's a great
scene to when he's put piecing it together,

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you know, and what I love
that scene. So to me,

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it doesn't it doesn't feel convoluted.
Let's see, let's let's talk about let's

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talk about that scene because it is. It is such a great scene,

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and I feel like you need to
be you need to be a little bit

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older. You need to watch it
a couple more times to understand that that's

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probably the pivotal moment, that's the
key scene, because the first time you

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watch it, you're like, oh, Phelps is alive, and he's explaining,

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he's telling Ethan what's happening. We're
seeing, like, what's happening,

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but we don't know it's not matching, it's not really matching what what Felt

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is telling us. And Ethan is
like why Jim, you know, and

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you just assumed that. He's like, why would they why would they do

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this? Jim? But all along
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He's onto him, so we're he's
it's it's such a brilliant scene because he's

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you know, you've you've got John
Voight explaining, he's he's basically giving Ethan

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Hunt this story and meanwhile Ethan Hunt
is taking his story and then he's putting

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it together and seeing in his mind
what's actually happening. And it's such a

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brilliant moment in the film. Well, yes, that well his uh Cruz's

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reaction when he's thinking about how Hannah
got blown up. He's trying to figure

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out who, you know, who
did it, and then he sees Claire

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with the switch and he kind of
just say, no, it can't be

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her. Yeah, So I love
that. But what I really thought was

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slick was have Phelps explanation as to
why Kittrick is doing it. You know,

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you got a bad marriage and the
present front of the country without your

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permission, there's no Cold War anymore, and you know you're making sixty two

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thousand a year. Everything he's saying
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and I that you know, and
and my only complaint with the whole reveal

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and it actually it takes place just
before that scene when he picks up the

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Bible with the Drake colers damn damped
in it, those damn gideons, right,

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And I'm watching that every time I
watch this movie. Now you have

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that voice over that they go they
kind of take you back to that scene

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where he says, oh, I
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I'm like, we don't need that, you know. My thing is,

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you know, you don't need to
over explain because they definitely explain it when

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Phelps shows up. So I think
that we just didn't need that voiceover.

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Sometimes I know there's a lot going
on, but at the same time,

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don't talk down to us. You
know, if you're paying attention, you

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caught the Drake Hotel and if you're
not quite sure what that means they tell

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you in the next scene. Anyway, that's that's a fair that's a fair

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point. Let's say a quick break
and when we get back, we'll go

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behind the scenes on this one.
Dan. Let's let's talk a little bit

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about the film's production history. Obviously, it's based on the hit television series

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from nineteen sixty six, You Were
you Know, you grew up? You

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Know you said you loved it yep. I was surprised to find out that

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the the series stars were offered the
opportunity to cameo as the team that gets

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killed off in the opening, and
they all flat out refuse, like they

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are not a fan of this film. Did you see that? Yes?

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I did see that? Uh what
was it? Mark Landau basically told everybody

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to not accept the parts because they
did not like the idea of everybody getting

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killed off. He didn't like the
story idea because it was more the TV

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show was more about getting in and
getting out, nobody seeing you, and

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so he didn't like He basically didn't
like the story. He didn't like the

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idea of everybody getting killed and a
lot of people took issue with Phelips being

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the bad guy. So yeah,
the original cast was not a fan.

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But you know, get over it. Well you said, okay, you

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say get over you say get over
it. But I do think about this.

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So think about this. So twenty
thirty years from now, think of

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a hit television show that you and
I love and they're going to make a

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film, only they're going to take
our beloved cast, and they want to

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kill them all off, and they
want to take the central character and they

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want to turn them into the villain. We probably be a little pissed,

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man. I think I think it
depends on the story and how good of

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quality of the movies. Now,
you did an episode with me and we

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discussed the Disney era movies. Yeah, and you and a couple other people

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were very unhappy with how some of
the story aspects were handled in the Last

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Jedi. I don't know, boy, I'm just saying. I remember one

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of us in the chat was very
upset because the lightsaber got thrown off.

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old TV show turns bad, I
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works within the confines of the current
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it, you know, I'm I
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was on the show, i'd probably
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show, so it doesn't really impact
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you know, if it works within
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works within the story, if you
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do whatever. Fans wondering what put
you on the disavowed list just found

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out that that boldly absurd take on
the last Jedi. But we're gonna move

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on date because you and I have
I have battled many times. Well I'm

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boldly absurd, So it's fine.
Growing up. Tom Cruise, he's a

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longtime fan of the show, chooses
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minted production company, Cruz Wagner Productions. And this is his first time to

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be a this is his first shot
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say he he handled him, he
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minutes, and then i'll have I'm
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decision he made. But another thing
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read it, except I'd probably will
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a prequel comic in nineteen ninety six, written by Marv Wolfman. It's illustrated

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by Rob Leefeld. Cruise gets an
advanced copy. He feels the illustrations of

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Ethan Hunt are just a bit too
feminine, and this leads to the book

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being recalled. They pull it.
It's it's now. It's now a very

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rare comic book. It's very what
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you know you could find one for
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it's a it's selling for upwards of
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wow, so good luck finding that
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many dollars is that per page?
Let's do the mast Oh Wowanus thing Dayton.

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This is the third film that Tom
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Can you can you tell me what
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The Outsiders was one? Yep?
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that Tom Cruise was in Young Guns? No? Because I did know that

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he has a cameo he just pops
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of the rustlers that gets shot off
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and Cruise does this thing for Amelio. Amelio says, I'll show up

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in Mission Impossible. Now. Granted, his his is a little bit more

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of a glorified cameo. He's he's
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Cruse getting shot off a rooftop.
But I always think that's fun. You

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know, anytime I watch Young Guns, I'm always looking to Oh, there's

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Cruise. Right. So it's like
I'm blinking you most a type of moment

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blaze of glory. You know,
we have John Boy Jovie shows up in

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that Oh in the pit. Yeah, he's in the pit, jumping out

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the Yeah, let's talk about the
soundtrack for this film, and uh and

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a and a key decision. I'd
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originally they hire Alan Silvestri to score
the film. He finished about twenty five

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minutes of his score and he's removed
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Tom Cruise made that decision as as
producer. Huh and and Cruise. Obviously,

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Cruz brings in Danny Elfman. Sylvestry's
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not saying it's a it's a bad
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but I mean that's an interesting choice. But maybe maybe it's because we have

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Elfman and he is relatively fresh as
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he did Batman eighty nine, so
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part of his scoring career. And
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is why he chose him. Maybe, you know, possible invests a little

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bit too, I don't want to
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more of the TV series, more
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that, and they decided to see
they want something newer. Well we got

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now we gotta we gotta go back
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did a film in ninety six called
a Racer. I remember that Silvestri he

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gets kicked off this project. He
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put it into a racer. So
healthy doesn't get him gone anywhere. Yeah,

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very very plug and play. Maybe
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doing the right thing. Yeah,
the theme is iconic though, Uh oh

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yeah, I remember do You Are
Buying? Like the cassette single or the

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CD single The You Two, the
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they put out their their theme.
I played the ship out of that.

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It was so cool. And uh
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a Grammy for the Yeah Pop Original
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That's pretty cool. I love the
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think about you're you're in a band
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Mission impossible. You get the call
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to work together. They go,
Okay, well you you do yours.

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I'm doing mine. We'll see,
we'll see which one they're like. So

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one of them is recording in New
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they basically turn them both and say, you guys, pick whatever you want.

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And then we get this this release
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got remixes by DJ's. It's it's
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I'm concerned. Yeah, it was. It's fun for sure. Yeah.

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So the principal roles you might have
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Cruise, being Rams and John Voyd. That's my principal roles, the heavy

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hitters. Yeah, I mean at
the time, Ving Raams wasn't really a

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big name yet. Principal actors.
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makes sense because if you think about
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last very long. And guy who
plays Kittridge, I can't even tell you

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something else he without my head.
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have him. I don't even have
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honestly. I mean, I know
he's he's crucial to the movie. But

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you know, I'm talking like as
far as like marquee names I'm throwing,

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I'm talking being Rams just because he
was an established actor. We had seen

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him, you know obviously two years
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He is blowing the doors off of
everybody that that amazing movie, that iconic

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seen. But I mean I had
history with him before, like he this

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is his second time working with Brian
de Palma, you remember a film that

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he did called Casualties of War,
Michael J. Fox, that's right,

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and uh love People Under the Stairs. I think that was like nineteen ninety

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two maybe, Yeah, So I
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seanra know, I he's one of
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with. You know. Obviously the
professional was amazing, and so to me,

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I guess because you had a decent
international cast in here, you know,

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Vanessa Redgrave and the manual be there. But yeah, these are people

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that you know, well, I
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overseas for sure. But yeah,
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All right, well let's let's let's
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we just kind of like you just
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quick. But uh, let's let's
let's talk. You know. I think

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John Voight this is a this is
a very smart piece of casting because you

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would never expect John Voight to play
the villain of the film. It's a

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good reveal. He's he's he's been
his his his his career has been the

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the hero role or the the protagonist
role. He's he's he's the guy you

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trust right, you know, this
is this is this is this isn't like

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it's a it's we're not talking Anacona
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a bad accent. This is a
bad movie. I'm not, I'm not.

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I'm not arguing with you. So
I love seeing John Voyton here.

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I think I think void, especially
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like Tom Cruise. Who does Tom
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would have been someone like Paul Newman. But we already seen that in the

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Color of Money in eighty six.
True, So I like, I like

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void. Voight works really well for
this film, you know, I yeah,

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I mean Paul Newman would have They've
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I guess Voight works. I was
starting to think of somebody else that run

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that same age range that's kind of
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to do. It would have been
an interesting turn red for Okay, so

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Redford, oh you know what,
you might have just sold me because now

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I'm thinking like Three Days of the
Condor Redford. Yeah, and then later

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he does Spy Game spy game Pitt. Yeah, well, because there's there's

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a physicality that that the Jim Phelps
role requires, Like you have to believe

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John Voight can face off against Ethan
Hunt on that train on the roof of

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that train later, right, So
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you know, the champ Rick Schroeder. I'm believing John Voyd's physicality.

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I definitely would have believed Robert Redford. So yeah, if we could go

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back into if anyone maybe they maybe
they called Redford, he just didn't pick

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up the phone. But you know, that's a good called date. I

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definitely see that one. Vanessa Redgrave
is max. I wish we had more

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Vanessa Redgrave stuff in this in this
day and age, like in the nineties,

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because she's, yeah, she's such
a lady, you know. Yeah.

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I loved her interactions with Hunt.
You know, it's it kind of

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went back and forth from I don't
trust you to totally flirting with him,

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and yeah, you know, and
and and I liked her because she's one

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of those villains that is charming and
slick and you're kind of like, yeah,

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I could see how this person got
to where they were. You know

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what I mean, you can you
you know, you could believe that she'd

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be responsible for doing something horrible.
I mean like, you know, at

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the same time, you're kind of
like, eh, but i'd work for

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you. Would look the other way
a lot with Vanessa Redgrave. I think

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like just just because she's Vanessa Redgrave, that her voice is just she's sultry.

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Look, I'm gonna I'll say this
even though I don't I don't think

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I mean it, But I don't
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fan of Sean Reno as Kreeger.
And it's not because he's not doing a

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great job. It's that I absolutely
loved him as leone in the professional just

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at what like two years three years
before this is a few years. Yeah,

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so it's hard for me to see
him be a little slimy and be

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a little little cutthroat. He's fantastic
in the role, but I just wish

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he wasn't such a a villain.
Yeah, he's definitely a villain. Uh

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one thing I because but I see I

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believed him because he uh his the
way he delivered his lines, and you

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know his reactions, like especially once
they get back to the hide out and

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he's harassing Hunt about did you say, you know, meeting and everything else,

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and then of course Cruise does that
great you know sleide of handbit.

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He's just so, he's just so
irritated and so angry. And you know

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from the from the minute he gets
on the screen, you're like, I

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don't trust him, you know,
when they're having a meeting, I'm like,

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I don't trust this guy, you
know, and he proved that you

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can't trust. Yeah, listen,
I don't trust him. But if but

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if you're gonna lower me twenty feet
on a slack rope and make sure I

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don't fall, like, I'll trust
him there because he he does a bang

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up job holding that rope, even
when there's a giant rat, you know,

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scurrying right by him. Man,
that was you know, that was

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creepy. But of course it's just
sneezing and you know, oh yeah,

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toast toast is this dayton is This
probably the most memorable scene of the entire

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film when you look at the look
at the overall because like mission impossible.

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When you say mission impossible, your
brain should immediately go to big action spectacle,

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Tom Cruise risking his life doing some
daredevil stunt. And really the most

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dangerous thing Tom Cruise does in this
one is running out of the restaurant in

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Prague when they explode that giant tank. That's where all right? That is

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my favorite stunt in the whole movie. It's autumn. The train is great.

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Obviously, the him hanging suspended from
the you know ceiling the FBI in

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Langley or whatever, that is iconic
and it's been spoofed. It's been used

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in other movies and TV shows constantly. But man, everything like especially the

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lead up to it, when the
tone of the conversation with him and Kitchrid's

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changes, the angle the camera angle
changes to go from straight on to you

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know, looking up at him on
an angle, and it's great. So

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he no, soon as that happens, things are gonna go bad. And

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he gets that piece of gum out
and when he throws it, which is

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a great shot too, because his
hand goes across the table the water and

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he hits that thing and that one
four waight or is just staring at it

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like huh, and it explodes.
The water comes down and what's so cool

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is I meant to look this up. But you got to wonder how many

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takes do they have to do?
And I'm thinking it couldn't have been that

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many because two takes, that's what
I thought. So here's here's the deal.

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I think it was had to be
La couple here here, So here's

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the deal. You have to remember
we know that Cruise is going all in

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on stunts. He starts this in
nineteen eighty six when he's filming with Ridley

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Scott doing Legend, so he wants
to do his own stunt work. But

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this is ninety six when he wasn't
known for doing that that kind of crazy

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off the wall stuff. So they
shoot the They shoot the scene with his

405
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.799
stunt double. The palm was not
happy. He's like, it just doesn't

406
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.559
look good. You can tell it's
not you. Do you want to try

407
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:44.200
it? And Cruise knows like there
potentially you can drown doing this stunt.

408
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.480
So are you? Are you cool
with that? And you don't you don't

409
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.000
ask Tom Cruise to stick his tongue
on the flagpole in December. You know

410
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:53.240
he's good, He's going to do
it. You don't even need a double

411
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:59.839
dog there, and so what what
happens is we get this incredible moment and

412
00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:04.400
you when you watch that scene,
the look of his face of sheer panic

413
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:11.400
and terror is because he knows he
is seconds away from dying, and they

414
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.200
captured on film. It's it's awesome. Absolutely, It's what's so good about

415
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:21.039
it because if you because you watch
it and you know the waiter that got

416
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:26.160
blasted to the window is is in
front of the building now, so not

417
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:27.440
only does he have to get out
in front of all that water, but

418
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:32.200
he has to not trip over that
actor at the same time. Huh.

419
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:34.400
And I'm like, god, it's
so great, such a great I mean,

420
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.839
like I said, the train seemed
at the end is great. Uh,

421
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:42.400
but man, far and away the
train, the train's fun. The

422
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.880
train's fun. I'll say this,
the train, the bullet train is fun.

423
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.519
But at the same time, you
know that, Okay, we're we're

424
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.680
dealing with some some special effects here. I mean, they had like wind

425
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.680
machines blowing on their faces like one
hundred and forty eight miles an hour just

426
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.519
to just to give us that illusion
him and void. But you know they're

427
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.440
safe. And I'm not saying I
don't want him to be safe, but

428
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:07.200
your heart has to pump a little
bit faster when you're watching that that restaurant

429
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.400
scene, when the when the aquarium
explodes, and it's the better action scene.

430
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.039
What's yeah, I think? And
honestly when the when the plane or

431
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.680
not the plane, when the helicopter
crashes. See, I have an issue

432
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:23.519
with how quickly the train stops because
when the helicopter follows him in there,

433
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:27.200
the conductor is telling him speed up, speed up, so it's already a

434
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:33.319
bullet train and then it's now they're
going faster. So the helicopter crashes,

435
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.119
which it's great. I don't care
when the explosion it blows him back onto

436
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.000
the I love when it blows him
back to the train. That's a fantastic

437
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.960
moment. It doesn't really look dated
either, know, it actually still looks

438
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.960
really good. But uh, my
issue is it's tumbling, you know,

439
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.319
behind and it seems like all of
a sudden it stops. And of course

440
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:52.440
you have the cool part with propeller
and it points right. It is,

441
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:57.440
it's cool, but I'm thinking that
thing literally came to a stop and it

442
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.519
had to have been going I don't
know. Ninety one hundred miles an hour,

443
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:04.240
un miles an hour, probably,
yeah, And it seemed to stop

444
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.519
almost on a dime. And I'm
thinking, if that's the case, then

445
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.960
interview people getting up off the ground
and everything else in the trail there's actually

446
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:14.359
nothing happened. I'm thinking a little
bit more that would have been better,

447
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.640
but I don't care. It's still
cool scene. It just it kind of

448
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:22.759
they forgot some detail. I'm with
you. And as as the climactic action

449
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.279
piece, it works, it's fun, it does, and I'm I'm I'm

450
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.359
here for it, but I think
the the aquarium is the better scene.

451
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.880
And then on top of that,
the break into Langley is probably the most

452
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.559
fun we're gonna see. As you
said, it's been, it's been.

453
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:42.279
You know, people have borrowed from
it that we've seen it. You know,

454
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.160
it's a it's a popular moment and
I love I just I still like

455
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:51.039
watching it here recently, I'm like, damn, this scene's so great.

456
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:55.079
Well, and then the details they
placed into that, because when the security

457
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.160
card comes in and goes, wait
there was two of you, there's three

458
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.759
of you. The other one and
you know, Kreeger knocks the guyle pulls

459
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:06.200
out his knife. He's like,
you know, zero body count and you

460
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:10.079
see the knife that matched the one
that yes earlier, and you might miss

461
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:14.039
it. But they go back to
it a little bit later when they talk

462
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.359
about what happened. But man,
that's such a great little hint right there

463
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:21.799
that you mean, obviously somebody else
could have that knife, but it's still

464
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.480
placing that what if what if this
guy, you know, because he's already

465
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:30.200
kind of shown he's not trustworthy.
One one one popular trope, and I

466
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:35.599
don't know if Mission Impossible started it. You correct me if if if I'm

467
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.400
wrong here, because I'd love to
know. But I love the trope where

468
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:45.640
we're explaining the heist and you're seeing
it play out. I love that,

469
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.440
you know, Like I love how
he's like, you know, that's trust

470
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:51.200
me, Luther. It's it's so
much worse than you think. And he's

471
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.240
you know, first you got to
go through this access point and you're watching

472
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:57.359
the whole Yeah, the whole show. I love when movies do that.

473
00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:59.359
I love when action movies do that, Spy movies do that. That's one

474
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:00.880
of my favorite things. It's one
of my favorite tropes. I should say,

475
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:05.680
yeah, I can't. I can't
remember it happening and before mission impossible,

476
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.280
though, Is there is this the
first one or is there something that

477
00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:13.400
you can think of that that that
predates this, you know, because the

478
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.559
only other one that comes to about
my mind immediately is like Oceans Oceans eleven

479
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:17.559
eleven. Yeah, because I was
just think, because I've watched it like

480
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:22.239
four times in the last six months. Yeah, so I know they do

481
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:23.280
a good job with that, But
I'm trying to think off the top of

482
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:28.440
my head. I'm sure there has
to be and uh, I'm sure we'll

483
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.280
hear from somebody. I'm you know, Robert's listening to this episode is probably

484
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:36.199
yelling at me which one is.
Uh, but you know, I'm sure

485
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.639
there is. Although I think maybe
this one kind of made it a trope,

486
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:44.559
you know, kind of maybe this
one, if this one doesn't invent

487
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:49.920
it, maybe it popularizes it.
Yeah, Okay, I absolutely love the

488
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.679
beat of sweat on the lens of
his glasses. Yes, and that quick

489
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:59.320
drop that is such a such a
moment. Man. I still to this

490
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.719
day, I'm like, oh ah, you know, you're just you're holding

491
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.920
your breath a little bit watching It's
it's so it's so good. I want

492
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.679
to take I want to take one
more break. But before I do,

493
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.760
I want to go back. There's
one person you mentioned her, and I

494
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.679
just have I just have a question. I can't say it's a cameo obviously,

495
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:21.679
and you can't say I don't think
she qualifies as before they were famous,

496
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.280
because I think she had done on
five or ten French films. But

497
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:30.840
Emanuel Barrett as she plays Claire Dayton, why didn't she become like the next

498
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:37.280
Hollywood knew she's a fantastic actress.
She's gorgeous, she had good chemistry with

499
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.519
Tom Cruise. I felt, Yeah, where'd she go? That's a great

500
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:45.800
question. I don't know where she
went. Uh it's one of those that

501
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.079
and you just don't know who's going
to take off. And maybe she just

502
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.960
didn't want to, you know,
do all the you know, the American

503
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:57.920
film stuff. I mean, she
just wanted to keep doing uh, you

504
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.639
know, you know, European films. I don't know, but it seems

505
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:02.320
to me like she did her thing
and she was happy with that, and

506
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:06.960
that's kind of like a you know, I'm good. It just it's like

507
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.840
doing a little bit of research on
her. Her most famous role, she

508
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.000
she played a nude model in some
French movie that I had never heard of.

509
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.599
And I'm thinking that you went down
that path and you could have you

510
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:24.519
could have been like the next you
know it it girl in Hollywood. I

511
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:28.239
don't I don't understand, I really, I just I enjoyed her. I

512
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.639
enjoyed her performance, filmography, almost
every single one of the directors I did

513
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:36.360
her films or foreign directors. Well, that's what I'm saying. She went,

514
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.880
she went back to France, and
just maybe she preferred, you know,

515
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:44.159
maybe she's preferred that instead of the
Hollywood glitz too much, rather just

516
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.719
stay stay with what she knew.
Yeah, I didn't prefer it, but

517
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.599
I guess it's not it's not up
to me. Let's let's take a break

518
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:59.199
and when we get back, we'll
be keeping it real. We are back

519
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:06.079
an agent, Dayton Johnson has decided
it's time for keeping it real. Dayton.

520
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:09.920
Three questions. First, one our
favorite, one of our favorite actors,

521
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:15.639
Billy Zobka, good friend of mine, met him last year. He's

522
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:21.239
fantastic guy. Dan As you remember
he was, he was dominating Dojo's high

523
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.320
school cafeterias and college swimming pools in
some of the best movies in the nineteen

524
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:29.400
eighties. Then he's notably absent from
Hollywood for most of the nineties. So

525
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:34.559
the question is, what about zob
Dayton. Let's replace one actor from this

526
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.239
film with William Zobka. I'd love
to hear your take on who he's playing,

527
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:43.199
which which role is he taking?
Okay, so I don't share your

528
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:50.159
love of Billy Billy's portrayals in as
far as his acting. Chops this about

529
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:54.719
this, about there it is,
but no, So I actually had to

530
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:58.920
think about this for a little while, and because there's not a lot of

531
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:04.760
options in in this in this movie, but what made the most sense was,

532
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.920
uh, he he's going to be
Jack. He's taken the place of

533
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:14.639
Emilia s Tevez because I could totally
buy into the snarky comments that Sves was

534
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.920
making. I can totally believe him
in that. And you know, he's

535
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.800
part of the I am forced so
cool And he's also the first one to

536
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.760
die. Get so you were you
were doing so good, you were doing

537
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:30.519
so well there Dayton. Well,
to be fair, I think he also

538
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.639
has the uh, the coolest death
out of the of the one group,

539
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:37.239
it's the most of you, I
mean you know, you get stabbed,

540
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:43.239
you get blown up, you know. Shot dude, he gets smashed by

541
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:49.639
an elevator into spikes that come down. See, I'm like, what a

542
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.039
way to go man. Gruesome but
but but but probably the best the best

543
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:59.280
offing of the I m F force
there. Yeah, very memorable. So

544
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:04.639
I do agree with you your take
for the simple fact that Cruz isn't going

545
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:08.039
to move through this film in Zopka's
shadow. So I think it's best for

546
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:15.000
everyone if Zopka just take the Miliss
cameo role like Jack. And you're right,

547
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.920
Like I could the banter. I
can hear William Zopcha's you know when

548
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:22.440
you think of what he's doing in
Cobra Kai with that that punk Daniel LaRusso,

549
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:29.519
the the jabs, the quick wit, the I totally buy it.

550
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:35.320
So yeah, yeah, he's playing
Jack Dayton sequel, prequel or remake.

551
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.559
You've answered this question so many times
on our on our nineteen eighty six limited

552
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:44.280
series, and you answered it a
couple of times on our seventy six series.

553
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.239
If you controlled this ip, what
would be your pitch to the studio

554
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:52.159
to revive it? And keep in
mind we're in production. Uh, Christopher

555
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.119
mcquarie is on the eighth film.
They're production right now on the eighth film.

556
00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:00.800
So right, what's what's your thoughts
here? So we obviously continue the

557
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.559
franchise. But here's the thing.
As much as we like to think that

558
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.559
Tom Cruise is never gonna die because
you know, in the last thirty years

559
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:13.719
he's only aged like five years,
at some point he's gonna have to have

560
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:19.239
some may take us. So you
need an Ethan Hunt heir apparent, so

561
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.000
you know, or if you're listening, you need to bring somebody in.

562
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.599
And I have two options, maybe
even get them both in there. But

563
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:32.239
what you do is you bring in
Ansel el Gort, who, of course

564
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.800
we know from Baby Driver, and
he was fantastic in that he's so he

565
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:37.079
can He's already shown us he can
handle a car. He can handle a

566
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.719
vehicle, you know, and that
does happen in these movies. And I

567
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.719
think he has the charm, you
know, he has a he's young enough,

568
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:51.360
he could be a you know,
a younger IMF agent and kinda be

569
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:55.920
kind of set up to take over
for Hunt. Now, we can either

570
00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.519
go with him or somebody who's familiar
with him already having a franchise, I

571
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:06.519
say you bring in Jennifer Lawrence as
an option. The Hunter Games was great,

572
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.400
and she's she can be physical,
she can play smart, you know,

573
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:13.800
she you can believe her a lot
of different things. So maybe you

574
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.239
bring them both in. Maybe they
both you know, come in and that's

575
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.880
you know, they kind of play
off each other. I'm thinking, I'm

576
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:24.360
thinking of her role in Red Sparrow, right see, Okay, Yeah,

577
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:30.599
I this would be a situation where
I'd be in favor of of going a

578
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.360
different direction, like giving us a
female agent because this this film, this

579
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.000
film franchise, think about this mission
impossible. The first one we got,

580
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:42.760
we had what three three female agents
yep. And then we kind of move

581
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.639
away from that, and then we
kind of get we we kind of drop

582
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.280
down to like there's always gonna be
one female agent or there's one fem fatale

583
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.920
that Ethan's gotta gotta work with.
So I'd I'd be okay with that,

584
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:59.039
you know. And maybe if Ethan
Hunt becomes like the Jim Phelps mentor role,

585
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:00.800
like he's the and on the thing
about this, he could just phone

586
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.679
that in. He could he could
produce these things, he could do the

587
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:10.079
voice over you know, he could
be uh take the part exactly, I'd

588
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:14.039
be that'd be that'd be interesting.
Yeah, because they're they're not gonna stop

589
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.000
making these movies. He's he has
said it himself. These things are gonna

590
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:20.840
go forever. Not maybe not with
him, but there they'll continue. So,

591
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.639
uh, if I was gonna do
anything you mentioned, Cruise refuses to

592
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:30.960
age. So so if I can't
read that Marvel prequel comic, let's just

593
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:35.519
film it. Let's do a live
action prequel. And here's what I'm gonna

594
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:37.320
I'm gonna tell you. I don't
know what the storyline is, but maybe

595
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:42.880
let's tie it to uh Easa Morales
from Dead Reckoning. We had that,

596
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.679
Remember we had that that opening,
that prequel opening. I'd love to see

597
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.599
that film see what happened there.
Yeah, that's true. That's a good

598
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.480
idea, you know, give me
and it wouldn't mean to think about it.

599
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:53.239
You're not gonna need a lot of
it, but you could do a

600
00:42:53.239 --> 00:43:00.079
little bit of a of the uh
the digital d aging on on Cruise and

601
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.599
East Si Morales, and I think
there'd be a fun movie. So that's

602
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:09.519
what I'm going for DVD extras.
It's nineteen ninety six, the DVD format

603
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:14.480
has been introduced to US markets.
You know, we got the simplicity of

604
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.320
the compact disc. We love the
high definition. It's wowing us. A

605
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:22.079
lot of us are mistakingly thrown away
our VHS tapes, not realizing we'll be

606
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:27.159
trying to recollect them at flea markets
twenty thirty years later. But you know,

607
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.079
dating for centophiles like us, the
special features were usually you know,

608
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:36.599
we had the no frills package of
scene selection or Spanish subtitles. Maybe you've

609
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.760
got a trailer. I'm going to
ask you this, what DVD extra would

610
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:45.679
you want on your DVD for this
film? Here's your choices. You can

611
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.199
have an audio commentary, which doesn't
exist for this film even in the re

612
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:53.519
releases on Blu Ray. You have
deleted scenes, which I'm sure there's plenty

613
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:57.480
of out there right now. You
can have a making of documentary, which

614
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:04.880
I think exists now. Or this
this category just got added a couple weeks

615
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.159
ago when Amber Lewis joined me for
Romeo and Juliet. You can have the

616
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:13.159
Amber Lewis Actors round Table. You
know, you could you could choose three

617
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.159
or four of the cop you know, the actors and have a roundtable conversation

618
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:19.119
with their their thoughts on making the
film. What what what extra do you

619
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:23.960
want on your DVD? I do
like the actor around you, you know,

620
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:29.360
honestly, I think I still think
I want to commentary, because you're

621
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.519
right, it doesn't exist. I
have the version I own came out shortly

622
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:37.400
before am I three hit theaters.
I know this because it has a sticker

623
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:42.679
on it says get a free ticket
to am I three And it does not

624
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.800
have a commentary. And no,
and now, granted not in all commentaries

625
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.480
are great. There's some that Some
of them are just that, you know,

626
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.960
the director by themselves and that gets
a little boring and they're kind of

627
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.559
dry. But you know, some
of them are great. They give you

628
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.360
all the behind the scenes stuff.
They kind of tell you some stories things

629
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.599
you did really get anywhere else.
So I'm always a fan of a good

630
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:07.800
dog com Well, rumor has it, de Palma and Cruise didn't exactly get

631
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:13.760
along during the production of this film. So I want a DiPalma and Cruz

632
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:19.159
commentary track where maybe they hash it
out, maybe they're you know, they

633
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.559
give us some great stories. That's
what that'd be my choice. Who do

634
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.000
you want on your commentary? Do
you just want like a DiPalma commentary?

635
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:30.599
Do you want do you want a
Cruise Paula Wagner, Like a producer's commentary

636
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:34.719
with a Wagner and Cruz. Maybe
that would be interesting. But I you

637
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.639
know, I'm one of those I'm
I kind of like to look at things

638
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:40.599
from the director's standpoint. So you
know, maybe you do as you have

639
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.039
you have to Palma, and then
you have some of the actors come in,

640
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:47.559
you know, and you have I
mean, even though most of them

641
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:51.239
weren't there. Maybe get John Waite
who was there for a decent amount of

642
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.239
it, and just share their stories. But it would be interesting to see.

643
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:58.639
I'm afraid that if you had Cruise
in there with him, that it

644
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:05.639
might evolve into something we never get
it anyway, Well, the only thing

645
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.360
more dangerous and I don't know if
this is what you were alluding to,

646
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:12.400
but the one commentary track I don't
care for, and you you said,

647
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.760
sometimes when when a director is by
himself, they you know, and they

648
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.360
don't have anyone to to banter with, it can it can be a little

649
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.440
dry. I think like Tim Burton
might be one of the the prime examples

650
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.119
of don't waste your time. I
mean, I love Tim Burton, but

651
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:30.679
his commentary is just they're hard to
get through. Yeah, but the commentary

652
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:37.280
tracks that I do not like are
where you get three or four people together,

653
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.920
but they're not together. So soone'll
be talking and then I'll be like,

654
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.679
you know, you like you've heard
Tom Cruise talking or Brian de Palmer

655
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.519
talking about a scene, and then
you hear you hear someone go actor John

656
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.639
Voight, and then he's like off, you know, he's as his cabin

657
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:54.719
and cannon. He's like, oh, yeah, this is a good you

658
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:59.760
know. I If you're gonna have
more than one person on the commentary track,

659
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.280
get them in the room together,
put them on a zoom call or

660
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:06.280
something. They need to be reacting
to one another, not just I don't

661
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:08.880
want to hear sound bites that's someone
edited into a conversation. So the and

662
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:13.719
the only other problem, like A
as much as I love Big Tomel Little

663
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:19.559
China, that commentary is because they're
not talking about the movie. They spent

664
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.079
half the time talking about their their
kids and I know, but dude,

665
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:27.119
I adore it because they're talking about
hockey and their their music, and it's

666
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:32.199
just you're hearing too buddy movie.
I know, but still, I've never

667
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:37.320
listened to a John Carpenter audio commentary
that that I didn't just love. So

668
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:43.199
I'll say that fair Dan, Let's
talk about this film's legacy. Is it

669
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.360
a classic, a cult classic,
or just a product of its time?

670
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.760
Oh, it's a classic. It's
a classic, right, it has to

671
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:54.159
be because it was huge at the
box office. And there's the exception of

672
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:58.960
the computer screens and the phones.
There's nothing about it, the screams,

673
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:04.079
and it's not like the pop culture
was influencing it. Ultimately, if it

674
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:09.159
led to since it did so well, we ended up getting more TV shows

675
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:13.880
made into movies. Here's just a
few I found. Just a couple of

676
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:16.360
years after this one. We had
the British TV show The Avengers was brought

677
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:20.719
to the film in nineteen ninety eight, which of course just totally tanked.

678
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.719
It was terrible. You have The
Mod Squad, which is also not very

679
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:29.360
good. That was a ninety Yeah, that wasn't that good. Yeah,

680
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.480
And then you have Charlie's Angels two
thousand, which wasn't bad. It was

681
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:37.280
a fun movie, it was good. And then twenty one Jump Street was

682
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:40.960
made into two successful comedic films.
Not great, but they were fun.

683
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.960
And of course you have still have
this franchise, and recently we had The

684
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.280
Fall Guy, so I love the
fall Guy. So if you look at

685
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:52.280
what you know, I mean,
people love to say, how oh hollywoods

686
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.400
out of ideas, blah blah blah. Well you know what, Support the

687
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:58.519
smaller films, Support the ones that
are new and different, and maybe we'll

688
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.280
get some more of those. But
as long as you're keep buying tickets to

689
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:05.400
these popcorn movies, they're gonna keep
making them. So we're just as most

690
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:09.320
responsible for that as the as Hollywood
is. But the fact is this was

691
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:13.679
successful and other and studios will go, hey, what TV shows can we

692
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:17.039
make into a movie? A lot
of them didn't do well, some did

693
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:21.719
well. You know, when you
when you think about, well, when

694
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:28.760
I think about if someone says erotic
thriller or Hitchcockian thriller, Brian de Palmer

695
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:30.760
is the first director I'm gonna think
of, and his stuff is awesome.

696
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:37.320
But if someone says, take this
TV show from thirty years ago and make

697
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:42.639
it a hit film, Brian de
Palma should be the name you think because

698
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.039
he did it. He did it
with this, He's gonna do it.

699
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:46.559
He did? Is it? What? Nanta seven? With the Untouchables,

700
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:50.280
he's kind of like you're he's he's
a he's a go to guy, like

701
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:54.519
and think about that's This and Untouchables
are his two biggest uh when we're talking

702
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.440
financial success, these are his two
biggest films. I can only imagine,

703
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:00.519
like if you if someone called him
up and said, hey, we got

704
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:06.559
this TV show from nineteen seventy three
and we're gonna we're gonna do something with

705
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.519
it. What do you say?
I bet he's got another one in him.

706
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:12.840
But oh, I think so,
I think so. Well, you

707
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:16.440
know, I don't think that there's
a strong representation of nineties culture in this

708
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:21.719
movie outside of some of the tech
that we talked about. But as far

709
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:25.280
as how this film impacts pop culture. The fun thing here and I didn't

710
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:30.480
realize this until recently, but this
movie reinvigorates Apple. Did you did you

711
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.719
see about? Did you did you
read that? Did you catch that one?

712
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.800
No? I didn't interest the company? So Apple loses. They post

713
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:43.920
losses of seven hundred and forty million
dollars, and in nineteen ninety six,

714
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.360
that's quite a bit of money.
You know, a lot happens earlier.

715
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:51.440
It happens early in nineteen ninety six, but thanks to a huge product placement

716
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.239
in this film, because Ethan's on
the MacBook and you know, uh,

717
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:58.920
they have a big ad campaign.
They're doing commercials, they're doing print ads.

718
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:02.199
Apples rowing right back, they bounce
right back. You know, I

719
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:07.440
want the cool laptop that Ethan Hunt
used. And before you know it,

720
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:12.599
Apple is taken over again. So
you know, we mentioned they're in they're

721
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.400
in production right now on the eighth
film in this franchise. So to say

722
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:21.480
it has not stood the test of
time and has stayed in pop culture,

723
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:23.800
I mean the theme. You know, who doesn't know this theme? If

724
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:27.639
you're trying to do something in a
hurry, or you're trying to do something

725
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:31.119
that you can't do, it's it's
there and day. And I I would

726
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:35.079
say that this film, when you
look at his filmography, I think you

727
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:39.719
have to agree that this cements Tom
Cruise's action hero status because before this,

728
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.679
we you know Legend Top Gun,
Days of Thunder, They're they're big blockbuster

729
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:50.119
films, but they're not action hero
movies. Right and after this, you

730
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:52.920
know, he jumps into the Ethan
Hunt roll every other couple of years,

731
00:51:52.920 --> 00:52:01.920
but he's also doing Oblivion, he's
doing Minority Report, War in the World

732
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:06.679
War, the World's Live lived.
I repeat, I mean, there's the

733
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.719
he is. He is the action
star and he probably he probably wasn't birth.

734
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:13.559
We just were waiting for it.
But I feel like this is the

735
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.840
movie that that cements that, like
we need an action movie, we need

736
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:20.400
a summer blockbuster, we need Tom
Cruise. He's he's gotta be the top

737
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:25.280
answer with with the Honestly, if
you look with the exception of his version

738
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:31.360
of the Mummy, he has a
tendency to surround himself because he's usually executive

739
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:35.880
producer or producer on the movies,
so he finds the right director, he

740
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.800
finds the right people to be on
there with him. So like him or

741
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:45.840
not, he has a knack for
surrounding himself with talent and quality, and

742
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.639
we get good, good films out
of him. We do, We absolutely

743
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.760
do. I will not disagree with
you one bit. It's funny you mentioned

744
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.000
the Mummy because he can kind of
do whatever he wants, like he's he's

745
00:52:55.000 --> 00:53:00.280
in pt Anderson films throughout his career. He's he's playing vampires. I remember

746
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:05.119
when when The Mummy came out to
theaters like that, there was like the

747
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:09.639
ongoing joke was everyone's calling it Mission
Impossible Mummy Protocol because because it was Tom

748
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:14.239
Cruise and he was it was I
mean, I love I thought that the

749
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:15.559
movie was enjoyable, but it was
more of an action movie than it was

750
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:22.039
a horror film or a universal monster
movie. So I don't know. I

751
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:24.440
still wouldn't change a thing about it, honestly. Well, you know,

752
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:29.400
from rock stars to international spies,
it's been a great week dayton U.

753
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:35.000
You know, I still I'm still
surprised at your your take on rock Star,

754
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:38.239
but but I respect it. You
want to tell us, you want

755
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.679
to sell us. What's coming up
on docum Base seventy seven next week?

756
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:45.039
Yeah, next week, our next
episode we are hitting. It was the

757
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:49.960
first time watch for me, and
it was suggested by one of our regular

758
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:55.239
guests who's now a host. Robert
suggested that we do the Gus van Zandt

759
00:53:55.280 --> 00:54:00.239
directed film Milk starring Sean Penn.
And he's like a politician, right,

760
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:05.679
Yes, it's that's a good Josh
good, isn't that with Josh Brolin.

761
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.599
Also he played the other guy that's
running for a fantastic film. Yeah,

762
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:13.039
it's so so good, so absolutely
yeah, all right, I got it.

763
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:15.440
Who's on that one? Is that
you? And Robert Me? Robert

764
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:19.880
Namber. I'm looking forward to that
one. I'll definitely be tuned in.

765
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:22.199
It's a great film. I can't
wait to hear what you guys have to

766
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:30.239
say about it. Ask for you
listeners out there, we want to thank

767
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.400
you for checking out our limited series
nineteen ninety six. We're gonna cover a

768
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:37.639
lot of movies from this year,
but we won't get to all of them.

769
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:40.119
So if you got the one that
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770
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:45.000
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771
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772
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773
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774
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775
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