1996: Romeo + Juliet

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It was the mid nineties. Some
of us were a year or two out

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of high school and some of us
were a year or two into college.

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We didn't know who we wanted to
be, but we knew where we wanted

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to be, the movie theater.
These are the movies of nineteen ninety six.

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What's up, everybody? I'm Jeff
Johnson from a Film by podcast,

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and I'm hoping you're down for our
latest dope new series. We've broken down

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the fresh films of nineteen eighty six. We've examined the gritty cinemascape of nineteen

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seventy six. Now it's time to
check out the Hella good flicks of nineteen

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ninety six. Amber Lewis is back. She y Z. Do you bite

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your thumb at me? Madam?
I do bite my thumb, sir.

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Do you bite your thumb at me, madam? No, sir, I

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do not bite my thumb at you, sir, But I bite my thumb,

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sir. Amber, let's away and
set the stage for Baz Luhrman's Romeo

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and Juliet Juliette. I will lad
with thee tonight, an exciting new vision.

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Well, don't leave me so unsatisfied. What satisfaction, cancel have tonight.

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Shakespeare has never been this sexy on
screen. The exchange of thy love's

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faithful vow for mine, sensational parting, such sweet sorrow that I shall say

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good night till it memorrow. The
love story of all time, for our

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time, Leonardo DiCaprio Claire Dames in
William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet ready pg.

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Thirteen, a modern, twisted version
of William Shakespeare's play about two young people

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from opposite families who fall in love
in secret amber. We've got a version

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of Romeo and Juliet that we have
never seen before. I mean safe to

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say, safe to say right,
like as Lerman never does anything you know

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expected or by Halves. I love
baz Luhman. I'll go ahead and say

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that. And I love that he
approached this project with the question, if

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William Shakespeare were alive today and he
was going to direct this film, what

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would he do. I don't know
that he would do this, but I

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like it. At least, you
know, he was trying to keep the

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bard in his own story, talking
nineties culture and how it influences a film

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like this. So let's talk about
Juliette for a quick second. Claire Danes

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is hot off of My So Called
Life, which it begins airing reruns on

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MTV in nineteen ninety five, so
she everyone knows who is. If you're

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a teenager, if you're young twenties, you know her, right. Yes,

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I was just out of high school, so it's still a little raw

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to watch that show. But boy
did I love it. It was so

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real. Yeah, I mean it
was. It was a great show.

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And then I think it was it
was really smart the way MTV. You

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know, it kind of run its
course on ABC and MTV picks it up

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and says, hey, let's we'll
just show the reruns. Genius move and

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you got to talk about the culture, like I'm watching this recently. Like

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the guys in the in the in
the film, you know the haircuts,

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you know they're shaving, the shaving, the lines in their hair that that

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was a very ninety thing to do. You know, they're shaving the symbols

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like you like the capults, like
they've they're shaving, like the cruciffectses and

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the back of their heads. And
the fashion, even the chains, the

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baggy clothes well, and even the
way it was shot like we'd already gotten

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pulp fiction yep, and this was
very much in that same kind of vein.

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Yeah, everything's everything's. Everything is
very vivid, everything's sped up right,

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and it's it's fantastic. I mean
the movie looks like a music video,

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which is perfect because the soundtracked.
My gosh, so nineties. This

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is so MTV friendly that literally the
only thing missing from it is Carson Daley

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in the MTV Beach House. More
on the soundtrack line, I know,

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we got to talk about the soundtrack
because I definitely want to spend spend a

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minute on that. But uh,
November first, nineteen ninety six, this

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opens at number one. It's uh, it's gonna be the fourth highest grossing

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film of the month. An he
guesses, Amber, what what the top

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three in November were. I'm terrible
at this game. Well, the top

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three belonged to Star Trek First Contact. Yeah, it's my favorite, of

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my favorite, Yeah, Picard and
the Crew of the Enterprise. They beat

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out Romeo and Juliet. Also Space
Jam, which I'm kind of surprised wasn't

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the number one movie of the month. The number one movie of the month,

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Ransom You know wow, Gibson,
I mean, my son, it

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was Hella good, but oh it's
fantastic. The month good Aya, Ron

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Howard, Yeah, Romeo and Juliet. It ends its run with one hundred

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and forty seven million dollars on a
budget of fourteen point five million. So

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needless to say, it is a
massive hit. That's how we got Mulan

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Rush exactly tend all that money.
Yeah, thank you everyone that went out

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to the theater in nineteen eighty six, because Mulan Rouge is fantastic. Also,

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critics were generally positive, and obviously
the the MTV audience is loving this

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film. I don't know about you. You do you remember going on seeing

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this at the theater. This was
the first time I've ever watched this version.

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You have got to be kidding me. I am not kidding you.

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Wow. I love any and all
Shakespeare like anytime you can get it produced

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for a mass audience, I think
is spectacular. But this was just a

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little too too much for me at
the time. I find it shocking.

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This is this is nineteen ninety six. This is the arrival of heart Throb

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Leonardo DiCaprio. This is one,
I mean, this is one year before

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Titanic, and I can't believe you
loved him because of what's eating Gilbert.

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Great. You did because that you
loved him in that, because it's an

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incredible performance. But watching this kid, and but I just I don't know

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it just I think because it was
a known story, and I just find

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it hard to accept that that young
Amber in nineteen ninety six is flipping through

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the channel. She sees MTV and
there's there's there's Leo, and she's not

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like a child. You're still you're
still young, twenty two year young Amber.

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Yeah, you're not calling your girlfriends
up and be like, girls,

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grab some drinks, let's go see
this movie. No Lea never hit me

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that way. It was always I
have always just been mesmerized by his talent.

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I will I will go ahead and
uh declassify my scoundrel status. I

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saw this like probably three or four
different I know at least three times.

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I can think of, uh where
I was. I wasn't swooning for Leo,

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but I was taking different girls on
dates. And you know, I

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was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I

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was a scoundrel. I was like, yeah, let's see this. It

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looks good. I was, you
know, I mean, granted it was.

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I I enjoyed it, you know, but by the you know,

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the second, third time, four
time school date, if your girl is

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happy, so hey, let you
know, let Leo do the work and

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then I'll be there when the movie's
over. Told her, yeah, absolutely,

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yeah, yeah, Amber. There's
not a lot. You know,

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when you would think a movie like
this there would be just a wealth of

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knowledge online or you know, out
there. As far as like the making

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of the movie, there's there's not
a whole lot. I read an article

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from Entertainment Weekly where they sent a
journalist out to like go on the set,

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you know, and talk about the
making of the movie and everything,

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and like seventy five percent of the
article was this guy talking about how everybody

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was sick, like ol Danes had
the flu Leo had Manazuma's revenge. How

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embarrassing is that to have been in
an article clar Dane's mom got pneumonia,

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like Baz Luhrmann was sick. I
can tell Cally everybody on production. Yeah,

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I can tell you most of the
production team, Bazz especially, they

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were all sick after shooting the the
opening, the opening scene at the gas

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station. Yeah, they they're so
they're shooting that on location. They're in

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Mexico. Pretty much all this movie
is shot in Mexico, Mexico City,

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I want to say. And they're
they're right there at a real gas station.

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I was actually watching. I was
listening to one of the audio commentaries

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about this film, and they were
talking about how just everyone got sick from

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all the pollution and the combustion.
You know, you figure a ten to

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twelve hour day outside at a gas
station on next to a major road,

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So yeah, I get it.
And uh, let's not forget most of

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the most of the sets were built
from scratch, like in Mexico, to

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look weathered and vintage and kind of
broken down, and then most of them

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got swept away because you know,
we get this hurricane that hits and Baz

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is shooting right up until they're they're
basically telling them like take cover right now.

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But my got it was worth it. That shot is cool. Yeah,

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you know, when we're talking about
Mercutio's death, you know, it's

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just a scratch, you they Yeah, they had some CGI happening back then,

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but they didn't have CGI that can
make palm trees bend over. Sideways

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from from when Gale Force wins and
uh, you gotta give you gotta give

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credit to all the actors in that
moment because the sand on that beach is

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hitting them like bullets. And you
know, Baz even talks about him and

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his DP. We're talking about it
and saying like, we were really worried

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that sand was going to hit the
cameras because if they hits a camera,

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like, what can you do.
Meanwhile, these guys are just taking it,

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you know, taking shrapnel, you
know, while they're trying to perform

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Shakespeare. So very very interesting,
uh situation. Here's what surprises me.

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Ember, And maybe you can weigh
in on this given your your background.

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But this is only the third film
adaptation ever had. We had one in

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nineteen thirty six, we had one
in nineteen sixty eight which starred Olivia Hussey,

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and then we wait, you know, until nineteen ninety six to get

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another one. I think some of
it has to do with the challenge of

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casting, which they struggled with that
in casting this movie, they originally wanted

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Natalie Portman to play Juliet, and
they even went so far as to have

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her do like screen test with Leonardo
DiCaprio, and when they look back at

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the footage, you know, he
was twenty one and she was fourteen,

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and it just looked completely inappropriate.
Props to them for like recognizing it.

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You know, there's a lot of
productions that would have probably just gone with

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it. Well, Props to no
one for even suggesting like, well,

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yeah, yeah, she's she's a
great actress. I mean she's thirteen.

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Is that cool? Because he's twenty
one? But that one age appropriate for

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the play rug because they're so young. And that's part of what makes the

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story work when it comes to these
three adaptations or or Broadway or you know,

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anything, and anything goes like do
you have what's what's Amber Lewis's go

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to Romeo and Juliet. Hands down, Kenneth McMillan's choreography of the ballet with

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Alessandra Ferry and Julia Oboca. It
is absolutely the most magical thing you can

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ever watch in your entire life.
And I said, and I just cried

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through the whole thing because it's so
magical and so beautiful and so powerful.

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And if I can get even one
person to look it up on YouTube and

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watch this ballet, it makes me
happy because it is one of my favorite

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things in the entire world. I
was not expecting that. I but I

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like it. I dig it,
you know because like I wouldn't even thought,

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I wouldn't even thought about it happening
for Romeo and Juliet. I always

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think like stage adaptations, plays,
musicals. Maybe, but I'm gonna I'm

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gonna tell you a most memorable version
because I do. I do love this

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film. I love I love Baz's
vision. Most memorable version for me has

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got to be the nineteen sixty eight
film because I can I can tell you

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right now, I still remember it
like it was yesterday. We're in English

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class. We had we had read
the play, right, every English teacher,

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you're gonna read Romeo and Juliet,
right, ye? We you know,

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she missus Hatcher rolled in the cart
with the TV VCR. You know

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we're gonna watch Romeo and Juliet.
And it's a little you know, it's

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a little dry. I mean,
this is like I think this was like

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nineteen ninety maybe when I'm watching this
and we're all kind of like trying to

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stay awake through it, and I
clearly remember I still remember. I mean,

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it's it's it's silent in the f
the in the in the classroom,

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no one's talking, and she pipes
up and she's like, guys, settled

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down and we're like, what,
we didn't do anything? And then a

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second later, Olivia Hussy wakes up, jumps out of bed, jumps out

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of bed and kind of shows off, shows the goods and we we did

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not settle down. So not expecting
that that was a good that was a

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great day at school. I'm not
gonna lie is that really knew where to

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get, you know, his box
office money from Yeah, I I was.

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I was a fan of Olivia Hussy
from that day on that. Yeah,

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listen, the sixty eight version is
a is a fantastic film, though

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I'd recommend that one too. But
Leonardo DiCaprio, so you gotta remember he

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he's not Leo yet. He flies
to Australia, he pays for his own

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ticket, heads out there. Because
Baz has not got this, this project

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isn't even in greenlit yet. So
Bass has the idea to kind of create

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like a sizzle reel, like they're
gonna film one or two scenes to show

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off to the executives. The studio
execs so that they can they can get

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the money for it. I think
that's kind of awesome, you know,

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like I mean, this is a
moment like this is this is a year

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before Titanic, so you know,
like you mentioned, he's you know,

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what's what's eating Gilbert? Great?
But other than that, you know,

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I'm thinking what credits three and growing
pains? So oh I was thinking this

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boy's life and oh wait was that? Yeah? Well get great? Was

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but I forgot about this boy's life. But I kind of dig the fact

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he flies in. You know,
he does the does the shoot, the

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mini shoot, he's auditioning. Ah, He's just fantastic. I clearly see

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why he became a box office superstar, like with this movie especially, you

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know, yes, yeah, because
you know, Shakespeare is challenging, and

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I love when there's unconventional casting going
on and you're not you know, it

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doesn't have to be you know,
stuffy British people that you've never heard of,

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like it can be you know,
the common actor and Americans can do

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it. I was very impressed.
I think that it's interesting that Leo speaks

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the language better the more upset he
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Danes like they create a chemistry and
a magic together that is just unbelievable,

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the chemistry between these two. I
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love with them when you're watching them? That scene with the fish tank like

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fish tank, Oh my gosh,
no dialogue, don't need it, right,

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perfection. Did you pick up on
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notice the fish in the in the
in the tank? I noticed that they

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were all blue and yellow? Yes, well, that's so in the movie.

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The Capulets have one color and the
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and the one fish that they're both
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catching their eye is a yellow and
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union of the of the families right
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it's enchanting, you know, I
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moment. I understand how difficult it
was to light it. Uh. The

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DP actually talks about that a little
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if you whatever angle you're choosing,
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reflection that you don't want. He
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this is this is ninety six,
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Drop some l e led lights and
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of how they lit the shot so
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he's on his side, it's like
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amplified. You know. Yes,
it's a gorgeous, gorgeous scene. I

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absolutely love that scene just for the
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amazing, I think and Claire,
like you guys, remember DiCaprio, he

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lobbies for to be cast just because
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their audition, and allegedly he said
she was the only one that would look

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him in the eye, which I
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I absolutely believe that they're in love
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that that Claire was quite taken with
mister DiCaprio. Can you blame her?

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Well, I can't. I'm not
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everybody falls in love with him when
they work with him a little bit like

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he and Kate Winslet to this day
are best friends. Yeah. Well,

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speaking of speaking of Kate Winslett,
here's something I don't know if you if

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you came across this. Claire Danes
decided not to do Titanic on the grounds

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that she didn't want to do back
to back movies with DiCaprio. She didn't

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think it'd be good for her career. That's it's a bit of a I

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mean, it's a shrewd decision.
I don't know. I mean I think

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Titanic would have been what it was
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Seventeen years old, she goes,
I'm not going to do this Titanic

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movie because you know, I don't
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You know right where we're swimming and
swimming in water. I'm not doing

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that, you know. But you
know what's it's the right decision. Maybe

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not for her, but it's the
right decision for all of us. Because

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I couldn't imagine Titanic without Kate Winslet. I just cras So, yeah,

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no, not at all. Can
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supporting players. There's two people want
to talk about. And then, uh,

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you know, if there's anyone that
you want to bring up about,

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you know, certainly we'll we'll discuss
him. I'm gonna go ahead and say

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it. I'm pretty sure this is
my all time favorite character that John Loquizamo

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has ever done. Second is because
I didn't really I never really got like

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what everybody was on about with him, Like everybody just loves him and they

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praise his work, and I was
always just kind of like okay, and

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watching this, I'm like, well, dag, if I had watched this

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in ninety six, I would have
known all this time what everybody was talking

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about. Well, you know the
crazy thing about the crazy thing about John

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Loquizamo is that usually he's playing he's
playing a little bit of a goofball or

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a clown or you know, you
know, literally a clown in the Spawn

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movie. He or he's like the
he said the slot. Yeah, Well

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he's always he's like a weaker character, right, Ye, He's a silly

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He's a silly character or your character. He never he never really gives off

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intimidation or strength, and his Tibolt
Prince of Cats is just like I'm watching

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this recently, I'm like, man, I forgot how badass he is like

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I would not I would not cross
him. I don't. I wrote down

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his seething anger like he's always on
a simmer. Yeah, he's never not

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angry about something what I I love
and uh, I'm sure you read this

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and it it is so well demonstrated
in the film with his performance. Shakespeare

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had said tibolt Was was a showman
with with the sword. Right, and

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we know, you know, anyone
that hasn't seen this film, will I'll

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go and tell you. There's no
swords because it's a like a it's a

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gritty modern adaptation. So there's no
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So he does not glorify the handguns, No he doesn't, but but Tibble

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they're there because they're all armed and
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But did you notice did you notice
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Was was a showman with his sword. Loquizamo trains with like this, uh

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this dance instructor to make more of
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when he's when he's dancer, let
me go dancer. Oh and he is,

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so he is, he's He's watched
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As far as I'm concerned, he
is. John Wu should have been calling

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John Loquizamo after seeing this and said, hey, uh, let's let's talk

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because you're you're my next movie.
He's fantastic, interesting because Tibolt is usually

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played as kind of like a heavy
yeah, and Mercutio is the one that's

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the flamboyant, funny like everybody falls
in love with him. I loved Tibolt

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more I was. He's hanging on
his every word, like just looking for

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him in the scene. Well,
even the way he delivers the dialogue.

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Yes, I mean these sounds,
they're so comfortable speaking it. Yes,

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absolutely, you mentioned you mentioned Mercutio, Harold Perennial. This might be one

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of the most wildest performances I've ever
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Leguizamo are perfect foils for each other, like they're making their own separate movie.

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Yeah, that I'm totally on board
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movie. I'll tell you what.
That that costume party where everyone they're you

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know, the the Mantia boys are
getting ready to meet up. You know,

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Leo's got to look dreamy. He's
got his like his Knight's armor,

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and you know the rest of them
are kind of ghouls or clowns. And

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when he shows up in that that
car and and hops out, I was

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like, holy shit, we're gonna
have We're having a good time tonight.

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That's what's gonna happen here. We
are definitely having some fun. He's so

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engaging, he's so entertaining, but
he also has these moments where he dials

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it back and gets really serious in
spots and then flips it again. I

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don't know, I don't know how
he's doing it, and but he's doing

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it so well, and he's doing
that the dialogue justice as far as I'm

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concerned, Yeah, they were just
absolutely my two favorites as far as speaking

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the dialogue and being comfortable with the
language and just really being one hundred in

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their character. Right, I said, I wanted to talk about two,

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but actually I want to talk about
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back to me, Right, Pete
Posselwaite, who plays Father Lawrence, the

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only one speaking, and I ambic
pentameter, so props to him. Yeah,

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I'm pretty you know, you're right. He's the only one, isn't

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he. Yep, this guy he
was such a brilliant actor. You know,

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I'm so sad that he that we
lost him. Did you know that

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he was not the first choice?
Father, Lawrence, You're not gonna believe

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it when I tell you who it
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is I really liked. I don't
know. Well, yeah, I don't

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think it'd be sad. I just
I think it'd be more like, huh,

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there was a legendary actor who wanted
the role. He was pursuing the

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role. Now they didn't have to
go to him. He went to he

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went to Baz, none other than
Marlon Brando. Oh no, thank you.

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Brando wanted it. But this was
this is around the time I think

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this was. I'm pretty sure,
if I'm not mistaken, this was around

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the time he lost his son.
He had some he had some family tragedies,

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so he had to he had to
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I'm happy about that. Yeah,
I can't believe I was. I wasn't

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gonna talk about her, but we
got to talk about Miriam Margolis right,

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nurse nurse. She made me sad
because I love her so much. But

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it wasn't her necessarily, it was
what they did with her. The nurse

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is there to provide comic relief and
to be a bridge for Juliet to get

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messages back and forth to Romeo.
And they made her just this farce.

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Instead of putting a button on the
balcony scene, she ruined the end of

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the balcony scene, you know,
because it's like, Bads can only be

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serious for so long, and then
he's throw something ridiculous in about the comic,

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almost like a her scream, yeah
okay, I got you, you

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know her the nurse calling to Juliet
throughout the scene is supposed to convey a

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sense of urgency and secrecy and ramp
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also forbidden and we're gonna get hot, and and this just made it ridiculous.

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So I was very frustrated every time. Instead of enjoying it, I

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was frustrated every time. I feel
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at times is a bit too cartoonish, yes, you know, and like

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her accent and just layers upon layers, Like her costume was crazy and her

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accent was over the top, and
it was too much for me, you

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know who was too much for her
Leonardo. So she wrote a book in

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twenty twenty one. I haven't seen
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she is sassy. So I am
looking at this book at the first available

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opportunity. So her memoir is called
this Much Is True, and she gets

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to a section with her time with
DiCaprio. I'm quoting her here. She

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says, Leonardo has grown into an
extremely fine actor. But back then he

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was just a handsome boy who didn't
always wash. He was quite smelly in

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that very male way some young men
are. I'm assuming, like, you

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know, you're a young guy.
You're out in the heat all day.

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You know you're little gamy. You
know you've been playing basketball day. Yeah,

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and listen. She goes on to
say she was immune from his groin

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charms, unlike poor Claire Danes,
who then was only seventeen. It was

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obvious to all of us that she
really was in love with her Romeo.

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But Leonardo wasn't in love with her. She wasn't his type at all.

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He didn't know how to cope with
her evident infatuation. Nurse do addition that,

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yeah, how about that? But
all right, hey, look I

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that's that's that's four supporting players.
You know, I don't know if I

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missing anybody, but you know,
you'll you'll correct me if I if I

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did, because there is I'm gonna
consider this one a cameo. And you

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know I'm talking. I don't know. There's the sadness of the fact that

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I don't don't know why. Yeah, because the play typically runs two hours.

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Yeah, this movie runs exactly two
hours. Yeah, so I guess

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he needed to take things out to
make room for his fancy shenanigans. But

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like bas cut a lot, yes, and you know, so there's a

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lot of mercutio that we're missing.
And you have Brian Dennehy right there as

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Rob's dad, and he has like
two lines and it's let's break. Let's

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uh yeah, let's let's address this
Brian Dennehy, who was a spectacular actor.

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Oh my god, you've got him. He's he's Lord Montahu and yes,

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we get I think it's is it
two scenes? Yeah, he shows

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up at the beginning, he shows
up at the end, and he speaks

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maybe three words. I'm like,
really, come on, yeah, it

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just her breaking. And then Paul
Sorvino, who I usually love, but

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like the accent that he put on
and every although his scene with Juliette was

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really powerful, but oh goshcha,
I don't know. He just like the

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parents were not doing it for me, and it mostly for lack of Brian

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Dennehy, but then the rest of
them. I was just like, this

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is not happening. Well, I've
got something. I've got something on the

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parents. I'm gonna kick that down
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okay, okay, maybe you'll maybe
you'll dig it. I don't know.

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But so I think it's fair to
say we always like to talk about cameos

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or before they were famous. We
got to remember, this is nineteen ninety

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six. So I kind of feel
like Paul Rudd, who's only in the

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movie for like what two scenes,
but maybe three three three guacamo. Oh,

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he's fantastic. I'm not gonna say
he's not fantastic. He is absolutely

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fantastic. But I love the fact
that they were able to get him for

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such a small, small role because
at this point, let's think, you

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know, nineteen ninety five, he's
you know, clueless. Well he's not

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clueless. I'm just saying he wasss
how I knew him? He was the

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guy from Clueless. I loved him. It's funny that you say I knew

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him as the guy from Clueless,
because also in nineteen ninety five, I'm

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like, oh, yeah, he's
the guy from Halloween, the shitty one,

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you know, the Curse of Michael
Myers. He's Tommy Doyle. He's

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the second person to play Tommy Doyle
in the Halloween Branch. Yeah, bully,

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I mean, that's how bad that
movie is. I forgot. Yeah,

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I mean, but the irony is
that now I will go back and

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watch that one, specifically to watch
Paul Rudd. Yeah, I'm like,

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try it one more time. Yeah. So, so he's playing Paris well,

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and here's the thing, like my
argument, because, like I said,

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Roby and Juliet is not at the
top of my Shakespeare list. Yeah,

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and it's incredibly frustrating and one of
the frustrating things as kind of a

403
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.680
traitor to my sex. You know, Juliet did not have it so bad

404
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:15.119
marrying Paris. I'm just saying he's
good looking, he's got money, he's

405
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:20.880
nice, Like he's kind of boring, but he's kind of a dufist.

406
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.920
But like, there's nothing bad about
him. This is not like the fate

407
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.799
worse than depth that she seems to
think it is. And I love how

408
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:39.640
Paul Rudd completely encapulates that, like
he's this kind of nerdy like just kind

409
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:45.559
of he's just this dumb guy that
like she could marry and he's fine,

410
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:51.400
Like your hot take might be onto
something. But because you're right, like

411
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.960
this is still Paul Rudd. He's
still dreaming. He's still a pretty handsome

412
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.440
catch. He's the governor's son,
right well, and he's been all,

413
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:06.079
yeah, okay, that's interesting.
He likes her, he treats her nice.

414
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.200
You know, he's not a bad
match as things go. I'm just

415
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:15.400
saying I think you're right. I
definitely think you're right. Before we move

416
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:21.920
on, I did forget VONDI Curtis
Hall as the Prince, which is Prince.

417
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:29.480
He is amazing. He is absolutely
fantastic. I always remember him.

418
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:34.160
A couple of years before this we
covered we covered uh, we covered this

419
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:39.359
film. We did Falling Down Joel
Schumacher movie. Oh yes, remember remember

420
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:44.240
the gentleman who gets taken away.
He's like, he's he's protesting outside the

421
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:50.319
bank because he was not uh what's
he say, not economically viable? Yes,

422
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.640
that's him. Oh my gosh,
I was thinking of him and that,

423
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:59.960
you know, these guys that just
shows up and stuff like, Oh,

424
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:01.680
there's that guy, you know,
kind of a thing. I don't

425
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:05.119
know if we're going to cover it
on this ninety six series, but he

426
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.199
did. He did another movie this
year in ninety six. He did a

427
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:14.400
Broken Arrow with with Christian Slater and
Don Travolta. John Travolta, Yeah,

428
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.679
yeah, he was one of the
Colonel's So yeah, he's a he's a

429
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.840
good actor. That's a that's a
good that's a good that's a good call.

430
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.480
Amber. I'm glad that we brought
him up. Let's take let's take

431
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:31.000
a quick break, and when we
get back more of Baz Luhrman's Romeo and

432
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:38.360
Juliet Amber. I want to talk
about this music for a minute. I

433
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.559
want to talk about this soundtrack.
Can we do that? Oh my gosh,

434
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:49.800
nineties, this is the a minute
I saw Garbage was on the soundtrack.

435
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:53.559
I was like, oh Jesus,
Garbage, Ever Clear, Ever Clear,

436
00:34:53.840 --> 00:35:00.320
Hole, Surfers, Radiohead, Yeah, the Cardigans. My god,

437
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:05.360
this is like every mixtape I made. Do you do you remember that?

438
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.199
Do you remember the Garbage song number
one? Crush? Yes? Can you

439
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.559
hear it? Can you hear your
mind? Like you want to listen to

440
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:14.239
it for quick say, let's take
a minute, all right, let's take

441
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:19.960
a quick minute and listen to it. Oh die for you, Oh would

442
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:37.559
die for you? Up been die
just a feliu si to your mem Oh

443
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:45.480
cry for you, Oh cry for
so that this totally Romeo song. It

444
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:52.519
is, and it's it's Sureley Manson's
song, because this is the song that

445
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:57.159
made me a fan of the band
Garbage. I love this track this.

446
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.400
I want to say it's the best
track on the album, but we know

447
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.760
that's not the truth, not the
truth. We know that we're gonna talk

448
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:07.360
about that one. But this one
is such a such a banger. It's

449
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:13.639
so what's the word. It's erotic. He's got like an erotic here.

450
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:19.559
Yeah, and it you know,
when you really read the lyrics, you

451
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:24.400
know, we don't get the big
moaning, grown scene of Romeo, like

452
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.119
so Rosalind left me and what'll I
do? And and it always makes him

453
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:35.840
irritating to me because he's so fickle, Like one minute you're like totally in

454
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.719
love with this woman and you're ready
to walk into the ocean and then forget

455
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:43.880
about her. He's melancholy, right, Yeah, he's still melancholy over rosaline.

456
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.400
And he sees Juliette and that was
like the whole point of going to

457
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:50.079
the Capitulate's party in the first place
was because she was going to be there.

458
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.360
He was going to try to get
her back, and then you know,

459
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:58.800
sees another hot checking off he goes. But I think this song really

460
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.559
speaks to you know, he just
fills his heart full of somebody and he

461
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.480
you know, I will do anything
for you. Like the lyrics are great.

462
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:16.119
It's fantastic when you when we're talking
ever Clear and Butthole Surfers one inch

463
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:22.320
punch. Basically, if you opened
a time capsule from nineteen ninety six,

464
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.719
that is what nineteen ninety six sounds
like. So that again credit to whoever

465
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:32.239
arranged the artist for this soundtrack.
But someone that you're not going to see

466
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:38.320
on on MTV or at least I
never saw her on MTV, and most

467
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:43.440
certainly the best song on this soundtrack, it's the Love. Did see her

468
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.280
on MTV? Did I? She
did the song you Gotta Be that was

469
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:52.800
everywhere you got to be in the
early nineties, and she had this great

470
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:59.760
video is black and white and she
oh wait wait so with her hands she's

471
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:07.440
so the song you gotta beat okay, desree, Yes, this song,

472
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:13.760
this song, the song kissing You
though, it is such a beautiful,

473
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:42.239
beautiful and the fact that they just
let it play can stand thousand two rays

474
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:59.280
the students who never fall? Who
cha stops without yes? So crool.

475
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:12.239
And it is such a perfect backdrop
to that beautiful fish tank scene. And

476
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.800
you know it continues on when they're
kissing in the elevator and the cameras spinning

477
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:23.519
around them and oh my gosh,
perfect that scene. That that I would

478
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:30.760
say that scene, with its incredible
cinematography and the performances and the set design,

479
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:37.360
it is as good as it gets. But it's only perfect because it

480
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:45.360
has desires kissing you playing throughout the
entire moment that without that song, the

481
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:49.559
scene's good, it's not great.
I don't even I could even imagine a

482
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:53.519
different song. You know, another
another artist singing all slow and sultry the

483
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:58.599
way she doesn't at the at the
party. This this song is so good.

484
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.679
I love this song absolutely. It
reminded me of the opera scene in

485
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:12.280
Fifth Element Good Calls. The way
that just took over the whole movie for

486
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:16.719
that whole sequence. That's another moment
where like the music takes over. Yeah,

487
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:22.000
yeah, good call. And I
think that this whole sequence. I

488
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.760
love Mulan Rouge, but I think
this sequence is one hundred times better than

489
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:30.639
anything in that movie. You mentioned
Mulin Rouge, and we got to remember

490
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:35.119
one of the great things about Mulin
Rouge is how Baz takes all these amazing

491
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:38.960
songs and does all the mashups or
sings them in a different way. Yes,

492
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:42.639
we get that. I'm pretty sure
this is the first time we get

493
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:46.960
that, because remember when Romeo goes
to see Father Lawrence, the choir,

494
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:52.440
the young boys and the choir are
singing princes when doves cry, And how

495
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:58.079
great was that perfect it was?
And the perfect song selection? Yeah too,

496
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:00.519
it's so good. It's so good. Out of the box. When

497
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:02.719
you're talking about artists, you can't
say out of the box without talking about

498
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:08.760
Radiohead. I know Baz wants them
to do the the exit music for the

499
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:15.320
for the uh for the film,
and he sends them the last twenty minutes

500
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:16.880
like the rough at It, you
know, the dailies. He shows them

501
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:21.239
the last twenty minutes of the movie. He says, Hey, you know,

502
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:22.320
can you do a song for me? It's going to be it's you

503
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.159
know, when the credits are wrong, it's gonna be like the exit music.

504
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:34.599
They send him back a song called
exit music for a film, which

505
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.880
I don't know if that's just me
and smartasses or them just being really like

506
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:45.480
deep and you know, meaningful.
But uh, the song is I mean,

507
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:49.400
you could not have picked a better
song. Right, Let's let's take

508
00:41:49.400 --> 00:42:19.639
a listen. Let's take a listen. Way yout today we escaped, we

509
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:29.880
scn It's uh, it's haunting,
and you you know, I don't know

510
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.159
if you're a Radiohead fan, but
you know, if you're a Radiohead fan,

511
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:36.519
I think you're thinking it's brilliant.
But the look on your face suggests

512
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:40.039
that maybe you're not a Radiohead fan. Not I don't really know them that

513
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:45.239
well, so that's something I need
to explore a little further. But that

514
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:52.239
song, I knew that that Baz
loved that song, and it didn't make

515
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:57.760
any difference to me at all what
was playing. But I also didn't like

516
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:01.079
the end of the movie, so
wow, So I was already in a

517
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:06.320
gray mood by the time I got
there, So all I can tell you

518
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:12.800
is the film soundtrack is just it's
unreal. And you know, yeah,

519
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.800
you don't get the exit music song
by Radiohead, but you do get.

520
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:21.440
Uh, there is one on the
on the soundtrack, what's it called talk

521
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:25.599
show Host And that's kind of like
that running It's almost like Romeo's theme,

522
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.280
like the melancholy Romeo theme. You
remember, what do you know they want

523
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.360
to talk about? I know,
the one you're talking about. Yeah,

524
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.320
so you know, I don't know. I just think it's this this thing

525
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.920
is packed and it's not all like
we I kind of feel like we just

526
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:45.800
focused on some of the slower,
more melancholy, more deeper songs. But

527
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.000
then you got you know, you
got love Full by the Cardigans, which

528
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:57.199
was ruined forever by the Office,
you know, but even like something like

529
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:04.559
Young Heart's Run Free by Kim's Hell, that's the one that Mercutio does at

530
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:08.599
the party. Yeah, oh for
ever see that In my head, it's

531
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:13.119
just he's crazy, man's having a
time. He's having a good time.

532
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.519
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just I'm glad we had we

533
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.599
had to take an extra minute talk
about the soundtrack for sure. Uh,

534
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.320
I'll tell you what let's take let's
take a quick break, and when we

535
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:31.559
return, I think it's time that
we start keeping it real. We're back,

536
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:37.440
Amber Lewis has decided it's time to
keep it real. Amber, you

537
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:42.119
are no stranger to this. I'm
happy to say a couple questions. I

538
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.920
got three questions for you. Starting
was one of my favorites, uh,

539
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:50.440
one of my favorite actors, Billy
Zobka. As we know, he was

540
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:55.239
dominating dojo's, high school cafeterias and
college swimming pools in some of the best

541
00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:00.199
movies of the nineteen eighties, but
then he was notably absent from Hollywood for

542
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:07.440
most of the nineties. So the
question is what about zob Amber, I

543
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.840
want you to take one actor out
of this film and replace them with William

544
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:22.920
Zobka. What are you thinking?
My initial thought was Paris because it's essentially

545
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:28.159
the same character that he plays in
Karate Kid, kind of when he's you

546
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:32.800
know, Macin on Elizabeth Shoe at
the country club, you know that kind

547
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:38.719
of. But then I started thinking
about it, and I think, like,

548
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:44.599
switch from you know, swords and
guns to karate and he's Tibbalt.

549
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:50.639
I wish I'm kicking some butt.
I wish my notes weren't digital so that

550
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:52.760
I could show you what I wrote. I'll go I'm gonna go ahead and

551
00:45:52.760 --> 00:46:00.880
say I'll read it to you.
While Zopka is ideal for Paris because he's

552
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:07.360
no stranger to someone stealing his girl, he clearly is tibbled the Prince of

553
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.360
Cats. That's something. Hey,
we are in sync, we are in

554
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.199
this. I'm digging it all right. Yeah, Zopka as tibbled. Something

555
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:22.039
we've been asking on all these series
like nineteen eighty six, in nineteen seventy

556
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:29.159
six, and now nineteen ninety six
Amber sequel prequel remake. If you controlled

557
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.960
this ip which is Rummey and Julie, is that is that in public domain?

558
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.920
By the way, I have to
believe it is, right, yeah

559
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:38.320
Shakespeare? Okay, yes, yes, all right, so you do control

560
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:43.639
it Amber because it's public domain.
So okay, Well, what would be

561
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:46.639
your pitch to the studio to revive
this? Okay, Well, once again,

562
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:52.119
I'm gonna throw out there, we've
done it as a musical. Let's

563
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:58.199
just film the ballet, like maybe
on location or something. I'm just saying

564
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.880
it hasn't been done. Yeah,
and more people need to see this ballet,

565
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:09.280
but for a more pop culture audience, I'm thinking we need to have

566
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:20.119
a Stranger Things Slash Percy Jackson crossover
event and get those kids together in this

567
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.480
cast. Okay, so you're going
you're going with like a sequel? Up,

568
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.199
So are you're going with a remake? A remake? Yes? Okay?

569
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:29.440
Are you gonna keep it in the
same well, you can't have a

570
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.679
sequel. Everybody's dead, Okay,
So are you keeping it like at modern

571
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:37.800
times in with these with these two
casts, these television casts, I don't

572
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.480
know, yeah, I think so. It's kind of going all the way

573
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:46.159
back in time, all right?
Uh? Any any choices you you've got

574
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:51.719
the two casts lined up for these
these stellar TV shows. Anyone that you

575
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.800
that just has to be Romeo as
far as you're concerned. I mean,

576
00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:00.960
I gotta go with my boy,
Walker Scobel. Okay. Percy Jackson,

577
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:07.760
he's just absolutely a delightful young man
and he's going to be huge. This

578
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:13.079
is just the beginning of his career
and he's gonna be like the next Leo.

579
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.320
I'm calling it. I'm kind of
stuck on a on a Juliet though.

580
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:22.679
I kind of feel like Millie Bobby
Brown isn't the obvious choice, you

581
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:29.000
said, So I really like Sadie. Oh okay, I really like her.

582
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.239
All right, that's not a bad
choice either. That's actually that might

583
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:36.000
be the better choice. So I
was kind of thinking her, okay.

584
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:40.480
And then if we could get Finn
to be mercutio and be like and let

585
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:45.519
him like really play it, you
know, I think he would be fantastic,

586
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:51.000
all right, all right, And
Whenona Ryder has turned into such a

587
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:58.239
delightfully quirky actress her career, she
could be like the nurse. Oh you

588
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:00.920
want her to be the nurse.
To be the nurse? All right,

589
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.199
you said, you said it,
well, you said the sequel keitt me

590
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:08.159
done because everyone everyone's dead, But
I mean everybody would care about all it's

591
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:12.960
left his old mom and dad.
This one might surprise you. Remember earlier

592
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.079
I said I had I had more
on the parents for you. Yes,

593
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:21.239
how about this? Uh, this
this has potential. I can't I and

594
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.800
I'm I'm surprised that, uh there's
not a lot more heat around it.

595
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:30.480
But uh, there is a prequel
in pre production, and it's I think

596
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:32.840
it sounds like it's it's it's sticking
with this aesthetic you know how this is

597
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:42.280
like Romeo plus Juliette. The title
Montu plus Capulate blood Feud, and it

598
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:47.719
says here finally reveals the origin of
the hated rivalry between two powerful families.

599
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.199
A young Prince Montyu takes comfort in
the arms of his one true love,

600
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:59.000
despite the fact that she has promised
to his best friend, Prince Capulot through

601
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.719
an arranged marriage. So everyone's always
talked about, like what why do these

602
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.119
two families hate each other? And
there's always been the theories. So this

603
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:10.960
is like suggesting that they were best
friends and then one was like, hey,

604
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.400
I'm in love with his girl,
but the other one's like, well

605
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:16.880
she's it's an arranged marriage. She's
my wife now, And think about this.

606
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:22.960
There's there's the scene. There's two
scenes that I really feel give this

607
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:27.280
weight. The first time we see
Lord and Lady Montague Brian you know,

608
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.440
Brian Dennahey, and I think it's
Christina Pickles, isn't it. Yes,

609
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:35.719
they're in the car and he is
going out of his way not to look

610
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:40.800
at her right, kind of like
she's like the second choice maybe. And

611
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.000
then the rage, like you mentioned
that that scene, that amazing scene with

612
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:50.199
Claire Days and Paul Sorvino. You
know he he kind of hauls off and

613
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.639
backhands, back hands his wife and
you know, you know he and he's

614
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:58.719
just he's angered, right, And
he's also kind of like at the party,

615
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:02.559
he's kind of getting a little too
uh, a little too familiar with

616
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:07.119
some of the younger ladies there.
So when you think about this, it's

617
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:12.519
kinda that would that would play,
wouldn't it? It would that would be

618
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:17.159
an interesting story because you know,
it's kind of the old joke is like,

619
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.280
why are you fighting because they're capulates? Well, bo, well why

620
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.519
because they're cabulates and we're montacuz and
we fight. That's what we did.

621
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:34.119
Yeah, so I think that has
potential to be an excellent uh an excellent

622
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:39.360
film. Yeah, very interesting.
Would you do it in Shakespearean language?

623
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:44.039
You have to? It's it's like
a follow Yeah, it's like a follow

624
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.199
up. I'll also tell you this, I listen, I just want to

625
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:50.760
I want to throw that out there. See what you thought, who'd you

626
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.239
cast? Well, I'll tell you
who I would cast, because that is

627
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:58.719
not happening. That film is not
happening. It's I just made that up.

628
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:00.800
That's what I want to see that's
that's my prequel idea. So now

629
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.079
that I know, now that I
know I've got your buy in, I

630
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:07.639
know I've got a amber. I
gotta go back to the well. Here

631
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:12.719
young Mantiu and young Capulot played by
uh, let's do the face off again.

632
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:16.920
It's Chalamea versus Lucas Hodges. Oh. Yes, after I saw Lucas

633
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:21.480
Hodges, remember we we we talked
about him when we did Lady Bird,

634
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:22.519
and I was like, yeah,
the kid's kind of a week he's kind

635
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:28.199
of a goof. But when you
see him in Manchester by the Sea,

636
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:31.079
which I had not seen when when
we did that movie. Now I'm like,

637
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.920
oh, yeah, that that kid's
got some some rage. Let's do

638
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.800
this, and I think you'd be
happy with this one. I only,

639
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:42.199
I only I'm only casting those two
and then one other one, Captain Prince,

640
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:46.719
the young Captain Prince. It's gotta
be Lakeith Stanfield. Yes, that

641
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:52.320
dude, he's he's that dude's so
great. He's love love him. Yeah,

642
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:54.360
all right, any anyone that wants
to pick this up, I can

643
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.760
write the script for you. If
in the agents, I mean, you

644
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:04.639
know, studio execs are listening manti
capulate blood feud like screenplay by Jeff Johnson,

645
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.159
film by Battle all Right, Hey, yeah, hey, I'll sell

646
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:12.719
it whatever they want. I don't
care. I don't care whoever wants to

647
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:20.159
so. DVD Extras nineteen ninety six. The DVD format is initially introduced to

648
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:24.760
US markets. The simplicity of the
compact disc is very pleasing. The high

649
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:30.079
definition wows us, and it has
us tossing out our VHS tapes, but

650
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:35.079
Amber Cinophiles like us h The exclusive
special features were usually the no frills package

651
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.239
of scene selection French Spanish subtitles.
You might get a trailer, so I'm

652
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.119
gonna ask you, uh why,
Actually, I'm going to preface this by

653
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.880
saying, the first one that came
out was kind of bare bones edition.

654
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:53.039
But this special edition here, I
forgot. I forgot it was in my

655
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:59.119
collection, This special edition I got. I gotta tell everyone because I'm assuming

656
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:02.559
that this train for the Blu Ray
edition as well. You get an audio

657
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:08.000
commentary from Baz Luhrmann, Katherine Martin
who was the art director, set designer,

658
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:14.679
Don McAlpin and he was the dop
and then Craig Pierce was one of

659
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:19.199
the co writers. It is a
fantastic conversation that they're having all together.

660
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.199
They're all four together, they're all
four talking. It's not one of those

661
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:24.159
you know when you get like a
four or five people and it's just like

662
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:30.440
screenwriter Jim Norris and then like they
put his little insert in. Yes,

663
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.559
these these thing you could clearly tell
they are all four in the room together.

664
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.800
They're all just shut and having a
good time. That. Yeah,

665
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:44.039
you get Cinematographer's Gallery, it's a
scene study by Don McAlpine. You got

666
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.719
Director's gallery, go go behind the
scenes with Baz Lherman. There's cast and

667
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:52.800
crew interviews, there's the design gallery
with Katherine Martin, music videos, but

668
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:57.519
you know, theatrical trailers. It's
it is packed. So I would definitely

669
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.440
recommend that. So, I knowing
that that's out there, I don't even

670
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.840
know what we would ask for.
Right. As much as I appreciate the

671
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:10.039
technical conversation that I'm sure they had, when it comes to Shakespeare, I'm

672
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:17.079
more interested in the story and the
acting and how to you know, get

673
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:22.920
into the language and how to get
into the play. And you know,

674
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:27.719
we have such wealth of you know, really great actors. You know,

675
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:34.119
if we could have done it with
Brian Dennehy like a legend of New York

676
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:37.639
stage, Like, what does he
have to say about working Shakespeare? You

677
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:43.079
know, what does mir and Migoelis
have to say? What does John M.

678
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:46.599
Guizamo? Like, how tell me
about your process? Tell me about

679
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:52.599
this role, tell me about your
relationship to Shakespeare. So I would love

680
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:57.480
to have, you know, just
kind of a round table of actors talking

681
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:01.280
about the challenge of Shakespeare and the
joy of it. I will tell you,

682
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:06.320
like a roundtable conversation. That's what
you're choosing, right, Uh,

683
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:10.559
Usually you get to choose between deleted
scenes, audio commentary, or a documentary.

684
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:15.920
But I'm gonna I'm gonna let you
break the rules here audio commentary,

685
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:17.960
it's not audio commentary. That's you're
listening to them. Was they watched the

686
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:22.079
film? You're you're you're having a
roundtable. I like the roundtable. You

687
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:24.400
know what? We might have to
add that well, because I think also

688
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:30.039
like I still have that teacher brain, Like you can't teach for thirty years

689
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:36.480
and not automatically go there. And
I think it's easier to understand the story

690
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:40.039
when you have people explaining how they
understand it and the tricks that they use,

691
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:45.159
and I'll tell you what. Moving
forward, we're going to add that

692
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.239
as an option when we ask when
we asked this question, there will now

693
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:52.679
be a fourth option and we'll call
it. Actors Roundtable. Love it?

694
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:57.360
Yeah, the Amber Lewis. The
Amber Lewis Actors round Table. All right,

695
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:01.320
Amber, let's talk about the film's
legacy. Uh, that's specifically how

696
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:06.519
it's aged over time. Would you
say this is a classic, a cult

697
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:10.840
classic, or just a product of
its time. I would say it's a

698
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:16.119
classic. I would say, like
with any Shakespeare adaptation, it's like a

699
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:22.559
direct adaptation, you know. I
think that it stands up right next to

700
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:28.679
the sixty eight version. I think
the performances are, you know, amazing,

701
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:34.039
and I think that it is a
little bit dated. But when you're

702
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:38.880
considering that it's usually set in you
know, like the fifteenth century, it's

703
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:45.920
way more accessible. So I'm glad
that it exists for today's audiences so that

704
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:51.880
you know, they can have something
a little more accessible to introduce them to

705
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:57.840
Shakespeare. Well with with nineties culture
slowly making a comeback right now, this

706
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.639
is an absolute nineties classic. I
feel like, even watching like recently,

707
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:05.559
it still feels. I mean,
yeah, it definitely feels nineties, but

708
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:07.679
oh my god, in a good
way. In a good way the pulp

709
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:12.840
fiction there should be. Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say

710
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.159
this is definitely this film has a
strong representation in nineties culture. We talked

711
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:19.199
about the clothing, we talked about
the music, you know, we talked

712
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:23.400
about the MTV generation that absolutely was
eating this thing up. Yeah. I

713
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:28.239
think that there are lots of movies
that I show my son and I'm like,

714
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.159
watch this, this is why your
mother is the way she is,

715
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:36.679
this is what the eighties were like. I fee like, yeah, yeah,

716
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:38.719
And I feel like someone just slightly
younger than me is doing the same

717
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:43.679
thing with this movie. Going look
at this and let's talk about how this

718
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:49.039
film has impacted pop culture, if
at all, because I've got some thoughts.

719
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.760
Well, I definitely think you know, we've talked a lot about this

720
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:58.880
was you know, the Hillary step
on the way to the Summit of Everest

721
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:05.760
for Leonardo DiCaprio, So absolutely,
this this is his it's his launching pad,

722
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:10.440
right, yes, But I think
also for Claire Danes, she could

723
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:19.559
have just been you know kind of
uh also ran you know, teen actress,

724
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:28.960
and I think this kind of built
her credibility. I think amazing stuff

725
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.199
she does today, like on Homeland
and stuff like that. Oh, overall,

726
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:35.599
I think I think this this probably
helped launch a lot of careers.

727
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:37.760
You know, when you think about
you know, young Claire Danes, young

728
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:43.760
Leonardo, Leonardo DiCaprio, young John
Loquizamo, Paul Rudd. I mean,

729
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:47.280
we've got somest We've got some amazing
actors in this film that were established,

730
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:52.159
you know, veteran actors like like
uh, like Brian Denahey and Paul Servino.

731
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:57.280
But the the youth of this,
of this, uh of this film,

732
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:00.320
I feel this was like like like
they're calling card, Like this is

733
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:04.960
like we're here, Like like the
next generation of Hollywood was showing up with

734
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:07.760
this, you know, and it's
still relevant. You know, think about

735
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:09.679
Halloween costumes. You know, I
can't tell you how many times I've seen

736
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:15.480
you know, girls where the Angel
Wings, guys where the the Night the

737
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:20.239
Night Shining armor, you know,
and you know exactly you know what they're

738
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:22.400
doing. Yeah, when they do
the when you see the couple's costume of

739
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:23.840
that, and you're like, yeah, that's that's good. I like it.

740
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:28.079
I did it. I dig what
you're doing. Think about this even

741
01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:32.360
though like like years later to two
thousand and three, Evanescent samples Claire Danes

742
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:37.960
uh dialogue when she's when she screams
I Long to Die. It's on It's

743
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:44.320
on their debut album, Falling on
the song Turniquit. Oh, pretty badass

744
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.400
song. It's I mean, it's
great, it's great out, but I

745
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:49.840
I always wondered, like I remember, like when I first heard that that

746
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.559
that song, I was like,
wait, was that Amy Lee or was

747
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:54.519
that that sounds like Claire Danes.
I'm pretty sure that's Claire Danes. Yep,

748
01:00:54.639 --> 01:01:00.840
it's it's Claire Danes. So And
if you had any any doubt that

749
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:06.639
this movie is not impacting pop culture
today, uh, I'll tell you right

750
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:13.519
now. This Fall, a new
play based off this adaptation is going to

751
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:19.480
hit Broadway. It's starring Kit Connor
and Rachel Rachel Ziegler. I think she

752
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.280
was like she was like the one
in the West Side Story remake with Spielberg.

753
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:29.119
And if you k Kit Connor,
there's a they just they dropped some

754
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:34.199
some promo pictures of them and anyone
that was even wondering, like is it

755
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:37.519
based off like the Baz Luhmann version, or is it based off of the

756
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:44.079
classic? Listen to this? This
is This is how they're describing the the

757
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:50.280
Broadway play. The youth are fucked
left to the left, to their own

758
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:54.760
devices in their parents world of violent
ends an impulsive pair of star cross lovers

759
01:01:54.840 --> 01:02:00.920
hurtle towards their inescapable fate. That
is the official synopsis for the show that's

760
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:07.920
hitting a Broadway. See I was
excited. Uh. Tom Holland is playing

761
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:13.840
Romeo right this as we speak moment
in the West End, and I would

762
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:17.559
give anything to see that production.
Yeah, and this ends. I there's

763
01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:22.880
one more line. The final line
is the intoxicating high of passion quickly descends

764
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:28.239
into a brutal chaos that can only
end one way. I'm going to Broadway.

765
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:31.800
Like that sounds awesome? Can we
can we call it Robert Burnette and

766
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:36.679
take it? Yeah, road trip. Let's let's go Robert. If you're

767
01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.119
listening, let's uh, let's let's
go see Romeo and Juliet. But I

768
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:44.800
think that's what's you know great about
the play is you know in all of

769
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:50.719
these plays is there's a million different
ways you can do it and It's always

770
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:58.840
relevant and always interesting. It absolutely
is also relevant and interesting, is Amber

771
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:02.400
Lewis when she's here on a film
by Amber? Thanks again for stopping by

772
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:08.280
and doing another ninety six episode with
me. I seeing who am I gonna

773
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:12.559
talk about this film with? And
I was like, wait, I know

774
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:16.039
someone who loves Shakespeare, and yes, probably loves this film. So I'm

775
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:20.840
kind of I dig the fact that
you didn't see this in ninety six like

776
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:22.760
the rest of us. I'm glad. I'm glad that this was the first

777
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:25.119
time watched for you, and I'm
glad that you enjoyed it. Honestly,

778
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:30.840
Yes, I was really had a
great time and watched it a couple of

779
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:38.239
different times, and yeah, I
was pleasantly surprised. Well, I'll say

780
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:40.679
thank you, and I know,
I know we'll be talking again in just

781
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:47.280
a few days when we talk,
when we talk George Miller, so I

782
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:52.320
cannot wait. Yeah, listeners,
we want to thank all of you today

783
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:57.320
for checking out our limited series nineteen
ninety six. We're going to cover a

784
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.639
lot of movies from this year,
but we won't get to all of them,

785
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:03.960
so some of you have already shared
some films that are a must that

786
01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.440
we got to cover and we thank
you for that, so keep them coming.

787
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:11.119
You can email us at a film
by Podcast at gmail dot com.

788
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.719
You can hit us up on social
media. You'll find us on Facebook,

789
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:18.960
Instagram, x Amber and I got
a bounce. But next time, on

790
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:25.039
nineteen ninety six, your mission,
should you choose to accept it, will

791
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:51.920
be to join us for Mission Impossible, peace out alone in the world.

792
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:59.039
Baby, I'm just use email.
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