1996: The Craft

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It was the mid nineties. Some
of us were a year or two out

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of high school and some of us
were a year or two into college.

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We didn't know who we wanted to
be, but we knew where we wanted

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to be the movie theater. These
are the movies of nineteen ninety six.

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For this episode of a Film by
join us for a nostalgic trip back to

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the year nineteen ninety six. We're
exploring the culture, the music, and

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the message that films in nineteen ninety
six offered to determine whether they're classics,

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cult classics, or just a product
of their time. I am Amber Lewis,

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and on this special Women's History Month, all Female episode, I've taken

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over the studio and in Amanda Janeic
to help me call the corners. So

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welcome Amanda, friend of the show
and a guest on the Black Christmas episode

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which I just listened to the other
day and load Well, thanks for having

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me and I love she's wearing like
a Friday the thirteenth, hooty, super

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awesome, love it the wardrobe stable. All right, Well, everyone,

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let's light some candles, burn some
sage, and discuss the nineteen ninety six

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film the Craft. There's just something
about them that's different this morning to another

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school, that's exciting, that's making
everyone want to know them. I can't

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stop thinking about you. And there's
a real good reason why a witch friend.

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Watch out for those weirdles, Lady
dar Theaters, Friday, So Quick

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Synopsis. A newcomer to a Catholic
prep school falls in with a trio of

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outcast teenage girls who practice witchcraft,
and they all soon conjure up various spells

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and curses against those who anger them. So, Amanda, when I was

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looking this up, you know,
I bought it off a Prime. It

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is available on Pluto TV. Yeah
you guys commercials. Yeah, I wanted

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to get the Blu ray, but
I didn't have enough time before the podcast,

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so I just bought it streaming.
But so Dayton, please forgive me.

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But you're the horror movie aficionado,
like this was listed under horror.

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Do you consider this a horror film? Not at all? Not at all,

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And to be honest, this isn't
even my wheelhouse this type of horror.

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If they would call it a horror
movie. I'm more into the slashers,

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Like I'm weird like that. As
they say in the movie, I

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am the weird all But I love
that line so much that it's like the

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killer line from the trailer. It's
one of my favorites, as oh,

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the Super nineteen nineties trailer. You
gotta love that too, even you know,

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back then when I was in high
school and stuff, this was not

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my forte of horror. This was
not my regular taste. It's not horror

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to me at all. There's nothing
scary about it. But like, I

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feel like it's more like like a
coming of age movie, like like Ferrispueller

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or The Breakfast Club. Like it's
each have their gimmick. It's us meets

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witchcraft. Yep. Yes, Like
it really only gets crazy in the last

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like half hour mm hmm, you
know, And so up until then,

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I feel like you're just watching teenage
girls. Yeah, yeah, like you

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said, coming of age story.
After the uh Satanic panic of the seventies

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and eighties, everybody kind of started
to relax into this idea of witchcraft and

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women kind of taking control of their
destinies. It wasn't so unusual for women

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to be more in the business world
and you know, more power in the

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home and things like that, and
with like the grunge esthetic and the focus

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on individuality. The idea is which
is as like the ultimate outsiders who gained

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power from going against the grain,
like really seemed to kind of have a

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jumping off point here, did you, Like, I knew tons of people

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that this was when they started exploring
WIKA and lighting candles and reading you know,

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Scott Cunningham and things like that.
Did was that your group or is

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that that kind of a niche for? That? Was not not me at

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all, But there were some of
those people in high school. We had

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the people that were you know,
exploring, like you said, the wick

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on stuff, and then the people
who were exploring vampirism because interview with a

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vampire, you know, like and
not calling those people freaks because everybody's different

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or whatever. But that was,
you know, one subset of a group

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in high school. But yes,
definitely knew some people like this. Knew

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far more people like the quote unquote
bullies in this movie, though, Yes,

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And unfortunately, you know, my
son loves this movie and was very

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excited that we were watching it multiple
times. But one of the first things

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he said the first time, you
know, we turned it on was the

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bullying is it's not any better,
it's not you know, it's just the

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same. Like it just seems like
a generational curse almost. Yep. Yeah.

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Unfortunately, how old is your son? He's twenty four, Okay,

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So I have an eighteen year old
who's in the throes of high school right

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now. Yeah, he graduates.
Yeah, he actually graduates in June.

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I know, it's hard to believe
because I look so young, but it's

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yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy. No, I'm kidding, but you

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know, he experienced some of that, you know, more so in middle

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school though than high school, which
is I can identify with that because middle

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school was awful. High school was
a little bit easier. I felt like,

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this is more the type of stuff
that bullying and stuff that I experienced

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in middle school. Same mine was
like like fifth sixth grade was like the

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worst, awful, Like they're just
little goblins at that age. Yep.

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And then you get I think you
get more self involved in high school,

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so you don't have time to really
pay attention to what other people are doing.

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And BAMA matter, at least in
my case. Yeah, I mean

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it's still there, it's still there, but yeah, you know, you

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come together. I don't know how
it was where you went to school,

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but we had like four middle schools, maybe three or four middle schools that

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fed into the high school. Mm
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you may have only known one or
two people like you in middle school.

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Well, now then you go to
high school, there's more people like you.

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So then that whole sapient numbers type
thing, you know. And all

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right, so let's talk cast and
production. Starring Robin Tooney, Buza balk,

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Nev Campbell, and Rachel True,
the movie opened at number one in

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North America, making six point seven
million dollars. Its sleeper hit status was

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attributed to teenagers and young women responding
to the movie's themes and proving, as

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always, if you build it,
they will come, damn. According to

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box office Mojo, the Craft is
the eleventh highest grossing film about witches since

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nineteen eighty. Well, ultimately it
earned fifty five point six million against a

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budget of fifteen million. Huge success. But here listen to this and this.

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I just can't even talk about how
much this annoys me. It's rated

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R. Yeah. The only thing
I could find is they were trying to

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get a PG. Thirteen reading for
it, which I've seen PG. Thirteen

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movies that were way more violent,
yep, you know, way more sex,

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way more you know, nudity.
There's no sex, there's no nudity.

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There's really very little violence. And
it was because it was teenage girls

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practicing witchcraft. I read that.
And also, you know, obviously nineteen

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ninety six, mental health wasn't as
big of an issue or discussing it wasn't

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as you know from it. I
read that it was that i'mgoing threat of

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suicide as well, because which they
kind of glamorize it. Yes, yes,

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which they knew teenage girls that was
their their market, you know,

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so hopefully that would turn away some
of the teenage girls. And I also

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read that it was and this ties
into kind of what you say, it

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was misconstrued as double worship, even
though they specifically say in the movie this

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isn't double worship. But it's kind
of that perfect storm coming together at the

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time. But I just think there's
like just this layer of misogyny that is

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just so frustrating. But I love
that it's still like made all this like

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people came anyway nobody can yep,
absolutely, but I just can't even believe

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that. Yeah, it's just so
yeah, like it's nineteen to ninety six,

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right right, like you love,
Like it's only the last twenty minutes

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that get violent, you know,
but yeah there's one f bomb, you

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know. But we can go see
Indianagens in the Last or in the Temple

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of Doom and watch a guy's like
ar get ripped out of his chest and

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right right like it's but that's bananas, it's over again. It is kind

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it is kind of mind boggling.
But like it said, different times too.

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You know, this is rated R, but so is American Pie and

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they don't they don't even compare.
But yeah, different times, yep.

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Absolutely, And I thought was interesting
that the critics really liked it. They

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loved the cast, they thought the
performances were great. The biggest complaint they

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had was that there was so much
special effects toward the end. But I

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don't know, I feel like,
unless you're gonna make like a real Wiccan

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movie, which would be honestly kind
of boring, right, you're just like

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praising trees and lighting candles and being
very zen, you know, you have

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to lean into their powers, right, so you have to have special effects.

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I mean watching it now, they're
kind of dated. Yeah, I

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hate the glamour sequences, Okay,
are by far the weakest. Not a

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fan. I'm a huge fan of
Christopher Nolan because he uses practical effects,

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and I think it's no mistake that
one of the best gags in the movie

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is the practical effect of the levitation. Oh yeah, when they do light

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as a feather stiff as a board. Yep. Like that's the best scene

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and it's all camera tricks. That's
probably the most iconic scene from the movie

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as well, wouldn't you say?
I think so. I think that's what

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people care about, are you if
you mentioned the relationships and the fun at

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the beginning, if you mentioned the
crap, that's the scene that people remember

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mm hmm, not her coming out
of a mirror at the end, or

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you know whatever. It's that.
Like you said, the light is a

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feather stiff as a board sequence,
Yes, and I kind of felt like

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it also. We talked about it
kind of being like a teen movie,

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but also it gave me kind of
superhero movie vibes because my favor my favorite

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part of a superhero movie is,
especially in an origin story, there is

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always a moment if the movie's worth
a darn where the hero has just gotten

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their powers and they just take a
moment and have fun. And for one

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sequence you have Spider Man swinging through
New York or Superman flying and it just

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feels good to do that. And
it's just a young person that can do

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these things, going wow, look
what I can do. Oh my god.

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And so there's a lot of that
in the beginning of this, as

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they start to you know, develop
their powers, you know, just the

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fun of it all and the being
girls at a sleeper right right, I

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mean right off the bat, you
know. I mean too though they're making

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a girl lose her hair, you
know, like they poor guy with the

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snake, I mean, he was
obviously you know, to use the tone

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first collective act is murder. Yeah, I did, to use a term

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from the genre that I am most
familiar with. You know, he's our

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harbinger, you know, and they
run away lasting like that doesn't make me

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feel good, But I see what
you're saying. It's like it's playful for

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a while, yes, and I
agree. I agree. That's fun to

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watch. All right. Here we
go, So some behind the scenes info.

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The idea for the movie came from
producer Douglas Wick and screenwriter Peter Filardi,

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who wanted to make a movie that
blended high school and witchcraft. Andrew

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Fleming was brought on board to direct
and write the final draft of the screenplay.

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The movie is shot all over Los
Angeles, and I don't know are

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you? I know you're a slasher
girl, but are you a Lost Boys?

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Oh? Yeah, because I freaking
love that movie and the whole sequence

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of them in downtown LA at the
beginning, like it was such a Lost

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Boys vibe. Yeah, it felt
like, I mean, I'm a huge

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Loss Boys fan. I'm a bigger
Keeper Sutherland fan, you know. But

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that's a whole other podcast. I
can't decide if it's real or if it's

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just fun. Either way, it's
fun. First of all, they hired

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a real life wicked named Pat Devon
to act as an onset advisor. She

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wrote the incantations and invented the spirit
manon that's not even like a thing.

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But then when the name, yeah, so like why would you even do

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that? But I like that.
They also didn't like pick something real and

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do it wrong, right, They
did their homework. Yeah, they say

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that. When filming the invocation of
the spirit scene. Several strange occurrences disrupted

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production like that, Yeah, the
fog rolled in only when they were doing

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the incantation, Like when they cut, everything was fine, but then they'd

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start rolling and the fog rolled in
and that's hovered over the set, and

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the tide rose and came up dramatically
and like put out their candles and then

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all the power went out. Wow. And so there's a great behind the

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scenes, you know, making a
little documentary on the DVD and you can

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find it on YouTube also, okay, and half of the people involved in

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production are like, ooh, spooky. And then Robin Tony is like,

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oh my god, you guys were
on the beach and like, I'm just

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I'm reading about that right now as
you're talking, because I'm like, I

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didn't read any of the facts,
but I just thought it was funny that

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our lead actress, playing Sarah,
Robin Tunny was like, Okay, so

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the water came up. We're by
the ocean and the tide comes in because

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that's what the tide does. Like
she was totally sketch about the whole thing.

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She was not impressed, and everybody
else was like ooh, it was

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this spooky though, so I can't
decide if, like if Robin Tutney's right,

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and practically speaking, it was just
things that happened. Nobody, nobody

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else more powerful than than we ever
guessed. That's so interesting, isn't that

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funny? Yeah? I love stories
like that. Though. We had eighty

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five other actresses screen tests for the
four main roles, including Angelina, Julie

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Scarlett Johansson, and Alicia Silverstone.
M h. I don't know about those

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choices. I can see that.
I can see Angelina Jolie only given what

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kind of transpired around that time with
her and Billie, Bob Thornton and stuff,

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and they're violent blood and yes,
yes, exactly, and she's got

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that look, you know, that
look about her, kind of exact different

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pum to her. So I can
see that the other two. No,

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all right, well let's talk about
who they did cast. My favorite is

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fru Is the bal who plays Nancy. She is such an out there force

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of nature, just wild woman,
just commanding of every scene that she's in,

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and so never ever born, No, no, she's never. She's

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always at a time and so smart
like she had. They interviewed her in

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this behind the scenes documentary, and
she talks about, you know, how

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she really studied about Wika and what
it really was all about and really got

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into it and really was interested,
and then also really dove into her character's

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backstory. And you know, she
comes from this very toxic, abusive,

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addiction riddled home and what kind of
psyche would that person have and the magic

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becomes her addiction. She already has
that addictive personality right right, you know,

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for like a teen movie. She
really you know, had this elaborate

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psychological profile of this girl that she
was playing. And it makes Nancy more

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interesting, I think than just the
crazy one. Yeah. No, I

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like that right off the bat from
jump in this movie, she is got

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those personality traits that continue through the
whole movie. You know, the boisterous,

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allowed, the harsh, you know, the harshness to her. It's

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not something that evolves once she gets
the you know, the powers and stuff

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like that. It was there all
along, yes, But you know,

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I one thing I love is her
introduction when she's walking through the commons with

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Rachelle and Bonnie. She has what
is this look about her? She's in

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the middle and they're on either side, and she has this look about her

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like, do not mess with me, stay away from me, approach at

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your peril. Yep. And it
totally fits that Bonnie and Rochelle would be

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drawn to her because Bonnie needs somebody
to protect her and Rochelle needs somebody to

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deflect the interest okay, because she's
the only black girl at the school,

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right right, and Nancy is so
she's so magnetic, yeah, in kind

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of a negative way that she just
pulls everybody to her and you don't really

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notice the other two. And I
thought that was a really great way to

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introduce the three of them in their
dynamic. Absolutely, because we all knew

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somebody like that in high school too, the loud mouth one, the one

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that everybody thinks it's weird, but
you know, they've got those insecurities they're

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trying to cover up too, because
you see her insecurities when she's at home

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and stuff. You know, it's
like that's the front she puts on,

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you know, self protection. So
we all knew somebody like that. It's

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so interesting that she takes it to
such an aggressive place like usually that person

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is the class clown. Mm hmm. You know, well I'll laugh at

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myself first, So nobody can laugh
at me, right right, And she's

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so so angry and aggressive with it. Yep, how bent on revenge?

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Yeah for sure. Next in our
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She was one of the first to
be cast, but her character was

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not written as a person of color. Okay, so they completely rewrote her

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character and her storyline and added that
racial abuse into who she is. And

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I think she talks about the actress
talks about how important it is to be

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represent for you know, girls,
to see somebody like them, you know,

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kind of going through what they go
through. And I have to say,

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like her magic storyline is the one
I can get behind the most.

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Laura Lizzy is just the worst,
and I think she deserves everything she gets.

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Oh, one hundred percent. No, I really liked that character a

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lot. Didn't they cast her though, because and like you said, she

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wasn't written to be a person of
color, But didn't they audition her and

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liked her so much that they cast
her and then rebuilt the story around the

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actress herself. Yes, she said
that they brought her back several times to

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audition, but she was only ever
auditioning for Rochelle. So she took that

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as like a positive. Yeah,
that kind of like, well, this

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is mine. I guess they just
need to see more, which I thought

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was just kind of progress for the
nineties. I mean, we're still fighting

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now to have more representation in movies
and pop culture, and you know,

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hey, we got one fourth of
the Coven as a person of color.

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Said nothing for nineteen ninety six.
So now Robin tooney her story. She

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plays Sarah, and her story is
interesting. She had just done Empire Records

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and had shaved her head. So
she comes into audition and her hair was

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like an inch long, but there
was something about it, and she was

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auditioning for Bonnie. She wasn't even
auditioning for Sarah, but there was something

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about her. So they brought her
back and threw a wig on her and

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had her audition again. And she
really wanted the part of Bonnie, but

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they sold her on the part of
Sarah because they just saw that she had

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that charisma to really hold the movie
together. I think that was just an

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inspired choice. Yeah, it's not
a great wig, but yes, I

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agree. I think she's good phenomenal
in the role because she plays it from

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all facets, you know, like
she plays the angst angle, the revenge

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angle, the fear angle, the
happy go lucky teenager angle, like she's

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got them all that whole range in
there, and I think she does really

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really well with it despite some of
the really bad like dubbing that kind of

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drew that kind of drove me a
little crazy. Not gonna lie because it's

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like clearly they recorded that at a
separate time. But I think she does.

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I think she does great. And
it was such a that's such a

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tricky storyline to play because it doesn't
one hundred percent I feel like makes sense.

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You go out with this guy one
time, you smooch one time,

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and then he tells everybody that you
slept together and you were terrible and embarrasses

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you in the hallway. But you're
gonna cast a love spell. Yeah,

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I'm in this tool, Like I
don't know. I'm glad you brought that

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up, because that was one of
the things, you know, in revisiting

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this movie that I was like,
didn't like that when I saw twenty years

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ago. Still don't like it.
Now, do you think it would have

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been different if, like Nancy,
she had wanted more revenge, like she

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had actually wanted to make him look
like an idiot. I don't know though,

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because they when they casted their initial
spells, hers were still pretty genuine,

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Like she wasn't hell bent on revenge
and stuff. You know, she

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wasn't. I don't want to say
mean girl yet because she doesn't quite go

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full mean girl. She gets her
backbone later, but yes, she was

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still that innocent, hurt girl.
So the spell did not make a lot

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of sense to me. It wouldn't
have made sense to me if it was.

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Oh, I want to do this
to make a fool of them either

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though. But then again, you
know, these girls are meant to be

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what sixteen years old, so a
lot of what we did at sixteen didn't

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make sense anyways. So so maybe, you know, putting yourself in the

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head of a sixteen year old girl, even though you were hurt like that

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and stuff, maybe you still want
them to pine up for you and you

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know, showing the air of their
ways. You could have had this,

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you know, but I don't think
any either way would be better or worse.

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But yes, I'm glad you brought
that up, because I'm like,

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I don't know about that, But
the more I'm again gaining perspective, trying

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to think of it from a sixteen
year old girls standpoint, maybe it does

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make sense. Well, and maybe
there are some girls out there that are

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just like, oh, Skate Old
Bridge is so gorgeous, because I was

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just like, eh, yeah,
not in this movie. No, yeah,

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you knew now, all right?
The last member of our Kevin Now

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they said she was the most famous. I didn't know any of these girls

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except for for Uza Balk, for
Usa Balk was in my favorite Christmas movie,

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the best Chris Magic Ever, and
she was in Return to Oz,

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which was the stuff of nightmares even
to this day. But for everyone else,

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Nev Campbell was the one that everybody
knew. This was kind of a

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Nev Campbell movie in a way because
of Party of Five. Were you a

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big Party of Five fan back in
the day, You know, I couldn't

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tell you one thing about the show
aside from I mean, I can see

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their faces and stuff, but I
can tell you I watched it, but

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I knew her from there. Well. She got cast at the last minute

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after they convinced Robin Tutney to take
the role of Sarah. And it was

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this movie that Wes Craven saw and
said that's the girl I want for scream,

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which, oh my god, how
amazing is that? Yeah, that's

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it's interesting sing because it's like she
does still play this, you know,

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somewhat naive kind of sweet girl,
at least for the first half of this

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movie, you know, So I
can see why West Dragon would see that.

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Well, and even at the end, like she she becomes so happy

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that she's just obnoxious and narcissistic,
but she's still got that, leading to

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my least favorite line of the movie
when when they're driving in the car and

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Sarah turns around and goes, you
used to be nice, but now you're

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just narcissistic or something like that.
Yeah, but it's like what sixteen year

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old talks like that? Both times
hears both times under my skin that line.

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So I love that scene because I
love how no matter how Nancy yells

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at them, Rachelle and Bonnie just
keep laughing at Yeah, that's funny.

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It's not the scene, it's just
that one line that I'm Yes, sixteen

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year olds do not talk that way. Maybe they do, No, I

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don't know, but I know we
didn't talk that way back then. No.

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No, Well, and she's like
doing a psychological profile and everybody in

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the car because then she tells Nancy
like, you're paranoid, and mm hmm.

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It's like I would just you know, in nineteen ninety six, you

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know what would I be then nineteen
you know, let's say I was sixteen

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at the time. Though, you
just turn around and go, you know,

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you used to become a knight,
just a bitch. Yeah, you

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know, like I can't even imagine
the word narcissist coming out of my mouth.

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But well, she's the leader of
the Kevin So yeah, even if

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they don't realize it, there was
there was a whole storyline that they kind

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of cast aside, but not really
where nobody else has powers they're just leeching

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off Sarah. And I feel like
that's still kind of a through line.

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I do too, Like I think
she brings them all together and they're able

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to manifest more as a group than
they are individually. But I think if

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she had moved to town, like
they could have invoked the spirit all day

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long and he wouldn't showing up.
Mm hmm, I agree. I agree.

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Well, she is the fourth though, so right, but then she

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still has powers at the end too. Yeah, And the other end,

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Bonnie and Rachelle don't. No,
is that because she invoked the spirit of

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Manon. I don't know that's what
I took it as. I think.

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I think it had more to do
with her embracing her power. Yeah,

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unless like him imbuing her with power, right right? No, I see

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that too. I mean I don't
know that we're talking necessarily about two different

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things either, Like, well,
yeah, I think that's why at the

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end she still had the power.
She had it all along, but more

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of it. I think. All
right, let's talk about the supporting cast.

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Let's get Chris out of the way. Skeet Ulrich playing the same exact

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character that he will then go on
to play in Scream, only just slightly

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less psychotic. It's just because it's
a little less psycho. But I don't

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know. I mean, he does
like attempt a sexual assault, So yeah,

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we have borderline felony in one scene. You know, he was on

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his way mm hmm, but that
erratic he didn't have that erratic like behavior

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that that Stu or not Stu Billy
has, Yes, because he was,

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you know, a lovelorn teenager under
a spell in this one. So I

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kind of feel like, I know
your answer, who would you prefer?

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Billy or Chris? Neither? I
know they're awful, right if I had

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to look at one Billy, But
I got how I just sound old lady

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creepy saying that I know, right
well, we're pretending we're like sixteen,

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so it's it's okay. Back in
ninety six, it would have been Billie

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all day long. I was personally
affronted by Breck and Meier in this movie

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as Chris's friend met, like he's
this sweet, cute, little cuddly skateboarder

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and clueless so that he shows up
as his total like jerk. He total

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total jerk in this movie. But
I thought he played it really really well,

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like he played the kind of goofy
best friend without being over the top.

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I thought I thought he played it
really well. He really really did,

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And that's probably why it drove me
so crazy. I think I knew

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about twenty guys like him in my
high school m M. You know,

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always with a smart comment and always
taking it too far. And you know,

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again, like we talked about before, you know, probably that way

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because he's covering up in securities,
you know, embraces this lie that skeet

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Ulrich told, you know, whatever, dude's probably never gotten late in his

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life, you know, but it's
easier to like attach himself to that,

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you know. Yeah, I thought
he did great. Be the little puppy

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following Chris around. They've got their
own little covin going on insecure male group.

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And then I think, arguably the
worst person in this movie is Laura

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Lizzie and my Christine Taylor. I
had no idea, Like she's the funny

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girl from you know, like Zoolander
and Dodgy all and stuff. Yeah,

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she's Marcia Brady for crying, yep, yep. And every time I see

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her in this, like, first
of all, I just want to smack

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her. I'm not a violent person, but she can push me there.

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But I just can't believe, like
when she just looks at her and says,

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I don't like she's the N word, I'm like, he say to

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somebody's face. But there are people
like that in this world, Yeah there

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are. And she was just meant
to be evil though, See you think

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of those movies. Every time I
see her, I think of, hey,

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dude, a Nickelodeon. Did you
ever watch that back then? Oh

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00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:23.640
my god, By the way,
I'm in the middle of the Nickelodeon thing

406
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:29.359
right now, the thing that's dropped
on. Yeah, that's not great.

407
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:35.519
But she was also the best friend
in Wedding ser Oh that's right. Mm

408
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:39.039
hmmm. Oh I love that movie. Me. She's not supposed to be

409
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:45.759
a racist piece of garbage, like
that's not her because it's interesting because she

410
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.559
can play that dizzy, dumb blonde, you know, like little boy crazy

411
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.799
with a heart of gold type character, but then she could turn around and

412
00:33:52.839 --> 00:34:00.000
play this pretty fuss. Yeah,
for sure. How do we feel about

413
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:06.920
Laura Lizzie getting a redemption arc.
I'm kind of not thrilled about it.

414
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:13.159
I kind of feel like she should
just be left to stew in her her

415
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:16.119
bad wig. Did she get a
redemption work? Well, a little bit,

416
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:22.519
because when they go to the party
to get Nancy, Nancy goes to

417
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:29.679
the party to get revenge on Chris
because Chris has attacked Sarah. Yeah,

418
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:37.159
so Sarah goes upstairs to get Nancy
and Rochelle and Bonnie come in behind them,

419
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:40.480
and Laura's there at the party and
she comes up to Rochelle and says,

420
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.920
you know, can I talk to
you? Yeah, and she's like

421
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.079
yeah, and she says, well, so how are you? And she's

422
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:54.079
like fine, and then eventually she
says, I'm really sorry. Oh that's

423
00:34:54.159 --> 00:35:00.559
weird. Now I'm gonna have to
watch it again. So obviously her redemption

424
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:02.840
arc did not leave an impression on
me, right, it meant nothing to

425
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.599
you. I feel like the minute, like, first of all, I

426
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:13.119
don't know how she connected Rochelle to
anything that was happening to her in any

427
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:19.199
way, probably internally like just thinking
about things, you know, But like

428
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:24.320
I also don't know that that,
like the minute her hair stops falling out,

429
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:28.400
she's not gonna like go back to
being who she was. Yeah,

430
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:32.480
I'm not crazy about that. No, I thought, I don't. I

431
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:36.679
thought we didn't want any of our
villains to like get thrown out the window.

432
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.199
I think that was a little excepting
poor Chris. We were ready redemption

433
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.760
arc at the end of the movie, though. I'm sure we'll talk about

434
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:52.280
that, but I'm glad that didn't
happen either. So okay, Amanda,

435
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:59.480
wake up, Sonatna got homework.
So one more special mention in our cast?

436
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.800
How much do we love Lario the
woman that runs the Wickan shop.

437
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:12.639
I thought she was so sweet,
see, very sweet, and you knew

438
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:20.920
that she had recognized Sarah's abilities immediately. I think she recognized that immediately.

439
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.760
Yes, I feel like she was. I have a real problem movies like

440
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:30.480
with exposition dumps, and I do
feel like that's why that character was built

441
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:34.480
in there. But how else are
you going to explain some of the stuff

442
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:37.679
to the audience? Yes, you
know, so, yeah, I mean

443
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:44.199
good character. Yeah. Oh I
think I loved her a lot. Yeah,

444
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:46.639
yeah, probably, I mean just
didn't really you know, leave a

445
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:52.320
huge impression on me. But I
don't know. She gave me just a

446
00:36:52.440 --> 00:37:00.559
very like like white witch sage vibe
in a story where you know, these

447
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.880
children are just left to run rampant
with you know, snakes and daggers and

448
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.239
oh god, and read spell books
and who knows what. No one knew

449
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:14.239
where they were, nobody cared like
that's why I don't know. Like I

450
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:15.679
grew up in the eighties, that
kind of fits a little more. In

451
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:21.239
the nineties, my parents were cracking
down. I was getting ready to graduate

452
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.280
high school though, so they were
like, oh, we better make sure

453
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:32.320
she's straight, all right. So
a segment that I absolutely love that we

454
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:37.400
do on the on this series,
it's called Keeping It Real, and it

455
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:43.119
goes like this. One of our
favorite actors, Billy Zobka, was dominating

456
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.679
dojo's high school cafeterias and college swimming
pools in some of the best movies of

457
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:52.159
the eighties. Then he's notably absent
from Hollywood for most of the nineties.

458
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:59.559
So the question is, what about
zob replace one actor from this film with

459
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:05.519
William Zabka. I have to go
with Chris and have you I feel like

460
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:10.679
that. I feel like it's the
obvious answer. But you know, he

461
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.800
can play that tough asshole that you
can play that tough guy that you know

462
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:20.159
everybody's afraid. We saw that in
Karate Kid and stuff. But now you

463
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.800
know in Cobra Kai we're seeing that
sensitive side of him, that love puppy

464
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:28.159
sad. Yes, even if it's
under a spell. You know, I

465
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.440
don't see him being the goofy like
you said, puppy dog best friend.

466
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:37.039
What other male supporting characters do we
really have, Well, here's what I'm

467
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:45.519
thinking. How about him playing the
Laura Lizzy character. Oh, and it

468
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:51.800
would continue this kind of theme of
these girls taking power from the men,

469
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:58.079
And I think he could really be
vulnerable, like his hair all starts falling

470
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:02.199
out, and he's not the Golden
Cuy anymore. I can see it.

471
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.119
I wouldn't like it, though.
I wouldn't like it because then I feel

472
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:14.440
like we're going to start going down
a path that I'm not a big fan

473
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.320
of. If you listen to Black
Christmas, we're all men are assholes,

474
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:22.920
all of them, and then it
becomes a women. Then it becomes a

475
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.000
you know, women are powerful.
They gain these powers and stuff to take

476
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.920
it out on all the men that
they know, like all men are evil

477
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.559
and this and that. I love
the fact that we have a female in

478
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:37.760
here that's just rotten to the core. I love that. I love that,

479
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.159
So I can set that's a good
point. I can see your point,

480
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.719
but I just I don't think i'd
like the direction that would take because

481
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:50.480
then it just becomes a man hating
movie. Good point, Very nice.

482
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:58.119
All right? How about this sequel, prequel or remake? What would be

483
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.800
your pitch? Which would you want? Not a remake? I can tell

484
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:06.559
you that for they did that already
too, yeah or effect. Yeah,

485
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.599
And I didn't see that, so
I don't I wouldn't watch this one either,

486
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.119
especially in the times we're in now, because I feel like it would

487
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:19.519
be very message heavy, very time, you know, side of the times,

488
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:23.599
message heavy, and that has its
it has its place, and I

489
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.760
love the fact that some people appreciate
that and they love it and stuff.

490
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.119
If it's too heavy for me,
it takes me out of it. I

491
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:34.079
don't want to be scolded. I
feel like our remake would do that,

492
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.199
Like you said, maybe putting them, you know, where they just take

493
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:43.320
revenge out on just the men that
they know and all the men did them

494
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.800
wrong, you know. I feel
like that's the direction it would go in.

495
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:52.320
I am leaning more towards prequel,
and it's funny you asked me about

496
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:59.920
the shopkeeper because I feel like she
has an interesting backstory. We are definitely

497
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.800
on the same page. I was
thinking prequel too, and I was thinking,

498
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:12.920
wouldn't it be cool if we did
teenage Lario and she knew Sarah's mom

499
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:21.880
and they were like in a coven
together. Okay, okay, that would

500
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:27.519
be interesting. That would be interesting. That would be interesting. Feel like

501
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.119
a little storytaled dust there, sprinkling, you know. We got a little

502
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:36.000
Halloween two action going on where we
write some stuff. But yeah, that

503
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.559
could be interesting. Yeah, I
think I'd be more interested just to see

504
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:45.000
how she got into this and what
she did with that nothing she had.

505
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.800
Yes, I don't even think it
needs any other ties to this movie at

506
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:55.239
all, just the idea of her
exploring her power. And yeah, nobody

507
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.239
would go see it except for me
and you, but I still think it'd

508
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:04.920
be interesting. I think it would
be very interesting, absolutely, all right.

509
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.519
Another thing we like to talk about
on this series is DVD extras.

510
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:15.199
So they put out a great Blu
ray with a great transfer, it's got

511
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:23.599
the director commentary, it's got I'm
making up documentary documentary. I'm not sure

512
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:29.199
about deleted scenes. There's only one
real deleted scene that I know about that

513
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:35.239
anybody talks about. Anyway, I'm
thinking an audio commentary with the girls.

514
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.880
What do you think? Oh,
that would be really interesting. Yeah,

515
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:43.159
for just an extra on the DVD. Mm hmmm, Yeah, that would

516
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.840
be That would be so interesting.
I love audio commentaries though, because you

517
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.000
get those behind the scenes stuff they
forget to tell you, Like when they're

518
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.239
doing an interviews and stuff, it's
like, oh, nobody's gonna care about

519
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.280
that, but then it comes up
during the commentary, you know, and

520
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:59.719
if people lose their you know,
Oh, I didn't think you'd be interested

521
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.360
in that, but you learn these
different things that you wouldn't have learned otherwise.

522
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:06.039
Yes, I'm fully on board with
that. I think that would be

523
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:10.320
very very interesting. Yeah. The
first one I ever I remember listening to

524
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:16.119
was for Fellowship of the Ring,
okay, and those guys were so hilarious,

525
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:20.920
Like all the actors that you know
played the Fellowship, Oh my god,

526
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.639
they were so funny and they just
told the best stories. And I'm

527
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.320
like, now, some of them
it's hit or miss, but the ones

528
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:30.800
that really, you know, get
into it, I just think are so

529
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.920
much fun. They are fun,
you know. I mean my favorite series

530
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.880
of all time, you know,
our favorite movies of all time, the

531
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.880
Friday the Thirteenth franchise. It's just
my favorite, you know. And I

532
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.320
could talk for hours and hours and
I'm not going to sit here and say

533
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.920
that I know everything there is to
know about it, but kind of you

534
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:52.119
know. But it's like the first
time I watched the commentaries for those and

535
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.159
stuff too, It's like the actors
will just tell you little snippets and I'm

536
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:59.280
like, holy grip, I never
knew that, Like that's really interesting.

537
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.159
So yeah, I think there's I
think there'd be some good stories to tell

538
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:07.199
about this movie, Yes for sure. M all right, So how has

539
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:14.880
this film aged over time? I
feel like other than like we talked about,

540
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:22.039
the glamour special effects are really bad
low rush, But I think other

541
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.440
than that, it holds up really
well. I think it's still the themes

542
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:32.000
and stuff are still very relevant,
absolutely, And then you look at things

543
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:37.559
like the fashion and the hairstyles,
the makeup and stuff. Oh that's back.

544
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:40.960
You know, walk in any hot
topic, you know whatever, and

545
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:46.239
it's like you're walking into this movie
still nowadays. You still have the prepsters,

546
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:51.920
you still have the you know,
the outcasts. You still so in

547
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.960
those terms, I think it's held
up really well, really really well.

548
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.840
You know, you can say the
same thing like about like sixteen Candles,

549
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.639
you know, like it's any I
feel like a lot of times when you're

550
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:07.400
talking about movies that deal with high
schoolers, that deal with different groups and

551
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.920
high schoolers, those in general are
going to hold up pretty well because you're

552
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:17.519
always going to have those certain stereotypical
groups, you know. So overall,

553
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:22.000
I feel like it's held up pretty
well. I think so too, And

554
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:30.159
I think it's interesting. You know, we go to like the Renfest all

555
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:35.360
the time, and you see these
people that like grew up in that era

556
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.880
and now are just like, we're
adults, so we have money and this

557
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:45.679
is where we're gonna throw and so
it's kind of like watching the characters in

558
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:47.599
this movie and now they're all grown
up and they're still the same people that

559
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.239
they were, you know, a
little older, little wiser. But you

560
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.840
know, in terms of themes too, you know, it's this you we're

561
00:45:54.880 --> 00:46:00.360
in the midst of this female empowerment
right now, that's you know, going

562
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:05.079
on that's really really big right now, and that is essentially what this movie

563
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.840
is. So I feel like,
not only is it held up well,

564
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:12.880
but it was a how of its
tight too, Yes, very much.

565
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.760
So I think, you know,
you could have a good like Barbenheimer double

566
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:22.599
feature, you know, watch the
Barbie movie and then go a little darker,

567
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.159
have a couple of cocktails, and
throw on the Craft. You know,

568
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:29.360
yep, yep, a little darker
yep. And then it's hard to

569
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:36.639
imagine what things would have looked like
without this movie, because afterwards you just

570
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:43.920
get this influx of you know,
Witchcraft themed properties, you know, you

571
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:49.679
get Charmed and practical Magic, and
well they say Charmed is they say Charmed

572
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.519
is just a direct ripoff of the
Craft. No, I never watched Charmed,

573
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:57.079
but I was loved Charmed, and
I don't know why. They say.

574
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.880
It's just a lot of interesting stuff
about it, you know, even

575
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:06.480
down to the same songs like that. I guess the only song of charm

576
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.079
is in this movie. But like, I feel like that was a nineties

577
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:17.159
thing, like every TV show turned
on had like that Dawson's Creek, you

578
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:22.639
know, soundtrack, soundtrack, vibe
going on. I didn't watch didn't watch

579
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:24.679
that either, but not at all
A shame to admit that I did watch

580
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:30.119
it like two years ago, so
you know, yeah, I mean I

581
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.960
didn't watch, and it's just some
of the stuff I was reading was interesting,

582
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.039
you know. And we wouldn't have
that if it wasn't for this movie,

583
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:40.199
or maybe I would. Maybe we
would because we had you know,

584
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.320
nine inch Nails, we had rab
Zombie, we had you know, the

585
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:52.280
basically the second coming of Alice Cooper
at this time, you know, quote

586
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.679
unquote, you know, double worship
type stuff, you know, So maybe

587
00:47:55.719 --> 00:48:00.960
I don't know, I don't know
who's to say, well, thank you

588
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.320
so much for joining me on this
Lady's Night edition of a film buy.

589
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:12.599
I have loved talking the craft with
you. It was fun. Now I

590
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.400
have to go watch it again though, because I and as soon as that

591
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.440
scene comes out, I know I'm
gonna be like, oh, yeah,

592
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:21.400
that's right. You're like, oh, yeah, you know. I do

593
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:22.880
want to ask you Amber what you
thought at the end of the movie though,

594
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:29.519
before we close out, when Bonnie
and Rachelle walk up to Sarah at

595
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.480
the end and they give her that
fake as apology, and I think that

596
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:37.800
had one hundred percent to do with
the fact that they don't have powers anymore.

597
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.119
Yes, yeah, yeah, but
it's like I thought for a second

598
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.079
we were gonna get some kind of
redemption arc. Yeah, they were gonna

599
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:47.760
hug This movie was all about friendship
all along, and these girls just lost

600
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:54.559
their way. No, those girls
are still not good people. So she

601
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:57.800
was like, oh, trying to
kill me. You're sorry for that?

602
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.239
Really, okay? I thought that
was I just thought that was really interesting

603
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:06.440
because in a movie where you know, for an hour it's nothing but friendship

604
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:10.519
and laughter and love and you know, or sleepovers and yeah, exactly,

605
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:13.239
like I thought, at the end, it's gonna be like, Okay,

606
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.199
we're gonna send them out of the
theaters with some warm fuzzies. Oh,

607
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:20.599
I understand. It wasn't it was
the Powers, it wasn't you Kumbaya.

608
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.320
But no, it turned out these
these two were not good people. I

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thought that was a ballsy move and
it paid off. Well. I agree,

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but I feel like the lead is
a little bit buried because I think

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Nancy's ending is so disturbing and so
upsetting like that it kind of like throws

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you away from that whole conversation.
The idea of her just being straight jacketed

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for the rest of her life and
like totally bonkers is just nightmare fuel.

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So I missed the softer punishment.
I I didn't see it coming. I

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was like, oh, okay,
I don't remember this, but that's good.

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I thought they were gonna be fine. I know, I really thought

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they were gonna tie a little pretty
bow on it at the end, you

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know, over all fine, you
know, all along it was only Nancy

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was horrible, and then reveal,
oh no, they're actually all pretty terrible,

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like you know, the exception of
Sarah, So yeah, although she

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was kind of like watch a stepper. I'll that's that's why I'm like ish

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so heavy on the ish. All
right, Well, thank you everybody for

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listening, and if you want to
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My Camber. Did you watch the
trailer for The Craft? No? Oh

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my god, you have to.
It's the most nineties trailer you'll ever see

627
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in your life. It's even got
the nineties trailer guy that talks like,

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oh I love him. You know
you don't hold school. You know in

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the world? Right, is rady
lost in your glue? This coll fucker