Aug. 29, 2024

A Film at 45: Escape From Alcatraz

A Film at 45: Escape From Alcatraz

"No one has ever escaped from Alcatraz. And no one ever will!" Our limited series, "A Film at 45" is back to celebrate the 45th anniversary of the films of 1979. We're dusting off the end of a decade that changed cinema forever, with a fresh look at...

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Season 5 A Film At 45
"No one has ever escaped from Alcatraz. And no one ever will!"

Our limited series, "A Film at 45" is back to celebrate the 45th anniversary of the films of 1979. We're dusting off the end of a decade that changed cinema forever, with a fresh look at modern classics and hidden gems that we can't stop watching! On this episode, David and Scott are doing hard time with Clint Eastwood in "Escape From Alcatraz!"

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to nineteen seventy nine. In

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a Film Buys limited series A Film at forty five.

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I am David Burns and.

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I'm Scott Hoffman, and as usual, we're dusting off the

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end of a decade that changed cinema forever with a

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fresh look at modern classics and hidden gems that we

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can't stop watching. This week, we're busting out an episode

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about doing hard time on the Rock way before Sean

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Connery even tried to do so, with Escape from Malclatraz.

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No one has ever escaped from Alcatraz, and no one

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ever will. I'm Alcatraz, who is not like any other

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prisoner in the United States. Inmates here have no saying

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what they do those they're told. We don't make good citizens,

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but we make good prisoners.

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No one has ever escaped from Malcatraz, and no one

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ever will. It's January eighteenth, nineteen sixty and Scott, you're

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we are heading to the Rock, A film by recently

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covered Michael Bay's The Rock with Sean Conner and Nicholas Cage.

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So it is only fitting that we go back a

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bit further into nineteen seventy nine and do the same

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for Don Siegel's Escape from Alcatraz starring Clint Eastwood. Scott,

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I am. I'm a history buff, and so I knew

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the story before watching this film. But how would you

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describe this to someone?

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You're one up on me because I knew Bo Diddley

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about this. Now, sad me if you've heard this one before.

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But this is another nineteen seventies movie that takes place

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back in time, as you mentioned, nineteen sixty to be specific.

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Convicted fellon Frank Morris moves to San Francisco as an

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inmate of Alcatraz, one of the most imposing and inescapable

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prisons ever built in the United States. Although he's escaped

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several prisons already, the Alcatraz warden tells him he'll never

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do it again. Ironically, that's exactly the moment when he

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starts plotting his escape. Morris witnesses the cruelty of the

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warden time after time, which inspires him to construct an

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elaborate plot that hopes to set Morris and three other

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inmates free. Did they ever make it out alive? We'll

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talk about that in today's episode.

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Yeah, this is a true story of the escape by

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Frank Morris. Clarence and John England from Alcatraz Scott. One

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of the things I really loved about this movie was

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the opening. We see that it's January eighteenth, nineteen sixty,

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Frank Morris is being taken across the bay transported to Alcatraz.

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What I loved about it is the fact that there

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was hardly there's no dialogue until they took the cuffs

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off of him when he got into the prison, and

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we get that drum beat from the score and the

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slow arrival to the Rock. You know, this gives not

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only Frank's first look at it, but we see it

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through his eyes as he approaches. No words, give it

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a much more ominous vibe to the place. I think

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it added so much more depth to film, wouldn't you agree?

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I agree? Yeah. I mean personally, I'm watching this for

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the first time, so I'm seeing it through the lens

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of somebody who has seen nineteen ninety six Is the

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Rock several times. And what struck me was how similar

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the beginnings of both movies really are. Because you have

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that militaristic kind of marching drum beat, the darkness, the rain.

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A lot of similarities there, but it also kind of

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gave that tone of even though it's not a military prison,

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that there's a very kind of regimented, kind of militaristic

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order to the operation of the prison. Oh yeah, absolutely,

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And basically he's being escorted to this place where he's

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going to spend the rest of his life. So I

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thought it was a very clever use of not only

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the sound but the imagery. I got kind of Halloween

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vibes from nineteen seventy eight when they were approaching and

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they saw that giant sign about turned back, you're approaching

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a federal It seemed like that scene in the opening

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of Halloween where they kind of right up to the

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the institution. But yeah, it was a great way to

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uh open up this this movie. You see him being

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stripped of any kind of remnants of civilian life, that

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it's over for Frank in this moment.

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Yeah, I mean, and and once you get that little

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bit of dialogue with him getting the cuffs taken off,

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we go back to no dialogue. I mean, he gets stripped, examined,

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escort through the prison to his cell until you get

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the welcome to Alcatraz, followed that by that wonderful lightening crash.

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Yeah, Interestingly enough, he's inspected in that scene when he's

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taken down to the buff by the director Don Siegel

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in a in a cameo. He's the one that's basically

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striped searching Eastwood. Well, I mean all it has to

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you know, looking at his mouth and whatnot. But kind

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of an interesting, interesting choice there that.

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That is quite interesting. Actually, I think this is based

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off of the nineteen sixties book by Jay Campbell Bruce.

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Is that correct?

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Yeah, I think it's Jay Bruce Campbell.

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No, he Didaddy with Bruce Campbell. It's Jay Campbell Bruce,

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which I think he wrote this just a few years

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after the incident took place at Alcatraz, so obviously fresh

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in the mind of America when that happened.

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Yeah, And it's also kind of an interesting circumstance that

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not long after this famous escape, Alcatraz was closed. And

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I don't think necessarily one had directly to do with

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the other, other than just you know, bringing to light

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a lot of the decay that was happening around the prison.

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But I mean the timing of it is exquisite because

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it makes it that much more legendary to say this

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is the last escape that ever happened from Alcatraz and

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is basically the right on the heels of the death

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of Alcatraz itself.

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One of my favorite lines this movie comes pretty early

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into the film when Frank is taken to the warden

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and basically the warden is getting him the rundown of basically,

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you know your mine, you will only see what I

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want you to see, you know, basically those kind of things.

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But his line was, you know, Alcatraz was built to

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keep all the rotten eggs in one basket, and I

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was especially chosen to make sure that stink from the

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basket does not escape. I loved that line, I really did.

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There's a man that's that's that's pretty powerful, right there, warden.

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Yeah, I mean, of all the I think it's also

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interesting that it's a nameless warden. Yeah, I mean throughout

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the movie he's never necessarily named. In the credits, it

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gives him a full name, but it's just the warden.

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Yeah.

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And in terms of the actors you that could have

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been chosen for this role Patrick McGowin. I immediately recognized

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him as the aging and villainous King Edward from Braveheart,

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of course, but I didn't know how well known. This

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actor was for so many other works before this.

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He's done a ton of stuff.

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Yeah, he was the top actor in the fifties and

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sixties in the UK for things like The Prisoner, which

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is kind of an interesting parallel to this. He was

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originally chosen to play Gandolf in the Lord of the

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Rings trilogy, the Modern Trilogy, and Dumbledore in the Higher

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Potter films, which interesting casting.

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Yeah, yeah, I would have.

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Apparently he's devoted to his wife. He often refused movies

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that would involve love scenes because he didn't want to

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kind of cheat on his wife in that way, and

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had an intense dislike for guns so much so that

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he wouldn't He insisted his characters in things like The

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Prisoner didn't use guns. So, although my first reaction is yeah,

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it's Lung Shanks, he has so much more to him.

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He's a fascinating actor, he really does.

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I remember watching this again, I guess I kept watching

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the Man Where'd I know him from? And then at

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Don and he said, oh my goodness, he's from Brave Heart.

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He was. He was almost James Bond twice.

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Wow.

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Okay, he was considered for James Bond and Doctor now

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before Sean Connery got it and turned down Live and

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Let Die. Hmm, he had a chance to replace Roger

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Morris James Bond. Again, I don't know that I would

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have cast it that way, but.

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No, a lot of layers to this word there really is.

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I don't know if I would have seen it that way,

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but as Bond as him his Bond. But hey, whatever,

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we got what we deserve. Recippose so exactly. Moving further

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into this movie, what's the character named Wolf? That dude

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that was creeper man? First off, as soon as you

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see him with playing with the spaghetti and on how

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he was, you knew where that was going as soon

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as he introduced that character, right, and and.

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He holds the batch and lets it burn down to

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his fingers. Yeah, very intimid character. But not to Clint Eastwood, right, No,

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not obviously stands up to him. But yeah, Bruce Bruce

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Fisher does a great job of having that kind of

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creepy presence to Wolf.

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Yeah in this Yeah, they could have cast it some

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way better for that, that's for sure. And then we

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get the introduction to Litmus, who is obviously has a

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pet mouse. I got a lot of reminded, was it

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the Green Mile that we had that in? Is it

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the Green Mile?

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Was that? Yes? It was in the Green Mile? Yea

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had the pet mouse and then the Shawshank. It was

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a pet bird, That's what it was.

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Yeah. Yeah, but when when I saw that, it gave

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me a lot of vibes of the Green Mile I

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was watching. In this again, luckily the mouse had a

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much better ending. Yes, this one then the Green Mile.

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Well, we hope, so I'm hoping when Frank gets to

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the shore of Alcatraz he lets the mouse go, because

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otherwise that mouse is drowned for sure, like unless he

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had a little tiny life jacket that he kind of

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stitched together.

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But okay, now we got a whole new movie.

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What happened to the best? Actually?

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Yea, but new I thought that was a nice touched

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to the film. And it added another depth of a character,

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you know, to help see the prison life and have

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some way that, you know, to counterbalance what was going

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on within the prison.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean it shows a lot of the

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personalities that we dive into. Litmus was a great example

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of somebody who had a sense of humor. He knew

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that he was there for life, and he was just

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taking it in stride, like, but he's you know, offering

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up to play a poker with the other guys and

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things like that. So it was an interesting introduction to

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prison life and kind of the spectrum of people you

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get when we're talking about those are kind of on

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the the friendly end of the spectrum. The next person

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that comes to mind for me is Doc Oh, yeah,

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played by Roberts Blossom. This actor I've known for a

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long time for things like Christine Home Alone. You remember

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him as the Marley character. Yep. Roberts has so much

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emotional range in this role. It's astonishing.

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And what's gonna say is adding to that, what's crazy

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is the fact that these are guys that are in prison,

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but you they still make you feel for them. And

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Doc is a perfect example of that when they take

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his painting away, like his life is over, you know,

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and he knows it and you know, and that's why

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he has the reaction he does, you know, when he

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asks for the hatchet and what he does to his fingers,

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you your heart just breaks for this guy when he

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gets his paintings taken from him.

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Absolutely well, I mean, you see the the interactions that

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he has with Frank gives him a lot of range,

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like he's being helped, he's being you know, kind of

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joyful and showing like you can have you know, you

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can have things beyond these walls. These don't walls, don't

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define you, they just surround you. When he has the

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painting taken away in the cell, the the emotional breakdown

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that he has is very telegraphic, is very you feel

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for him absolutely in that absolutely in that moment, and

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it carries through to the wood shop scene where you

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see his face contort and you know, he does that

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kind of blinking thing, and you can see him going

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through this kind of process of taking this action. And

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I was I was wondering where the hatchet was going

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to go. Honestly, I didn't know if he was going

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to throw it into a guard, if he was going

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to just eliminate himself Entirely. I was not expecting him

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to chop off his fingers. But that's one of the

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moments when you see Frank's character just snap and decide

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that's it.

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goes and grabs the fingers and puts them in the

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box and he takes it over and shoves it to

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the guard here. Put that in your report, you know.

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I just oh, I love that scene. Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean you have a lot of a lot

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of characters in here in Alcatraz, so it's the you know,

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most inescapable person ever, so you have to kind of

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wonder what each of these people have done to arrive here,

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but you never really find out. As far as I

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can remember. The only person where you get any kind

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of background is English, played by Paul Benjamin, who, again

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I recognize this actor from several other works, usually when

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he's older, so it's very interesting to see him in

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this younger role. And his story as well is heartbreaking

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that he has two back to back ninety nine year

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sentences for basically self defense. I mean, he killed people

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in self defense.

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But just they were white and that's why you raise that.

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Yeah, that's just absolutely heartbreaking.

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Yeah, it really is.

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He's such an amazing supportive character for Frank and oh yeah,

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for I would say for the prison in general. He's

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just trying to keep the the madness of it at

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a baseline and make it a livable life. Yeah.

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I liked the introduction to these two characters. When Frank

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goes to the library, you know, to assist with like,

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you know, taking some books and magazines to d block,

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and you get that English basically calling him boy a

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few times, and then Frank gives it right back.

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You know.

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It's almost like that respect at that point to each other,

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you know, right right, Yeah, And of course you get that.

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You get that follow up scene too, when they're outside.

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He goes up there, you know, to sit with English

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and then he doesn't, and then obviously you've got some

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you know, very racial dialogue rut there, which we're not

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going to talk about. Yeah, but then he comes back

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and sits down with him, and again more respect between

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the two characters.

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There, right, which in that scene I had kind of read,

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as you know, English had just explained to him kind

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of the hierarchy of the steps you have to earn

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this height. So I thought Frank was kind of stepping

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away from that to say like, I'm not gonna sit

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next to the throne, right because I have to respect that.

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And then English was like, no, I want you to

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sit here. Let's chat, right. Yeah, you mentioned the library scene.

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I didn't realize watching this who was the first person

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on Frank's delivery route from the library.

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A very young individual. Go ahead, who is it?

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Yes, I had to watch this a couple of times

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to get it. It was Danny Glover yep, in his

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movie debut. We don't get the signature myrtaw voice, which

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is a shame. I'm not sure why I was dubbed over,

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but I'm getting over this shit exactly. But you can

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see the trademark Glover, you know, uh, movement of his

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head as he's delivering lines.

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Yeah.

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I think that was a great little easter egg in there.

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I just wish they had, you know, done more with

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with Danny's abilities.

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But I do too. I wish there was a little

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bit more. But you really couldn't go that way because

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you you're telling a different story, you know, and if

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you were to dive into all that stuff, it'd be

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a whole lot longer for a movie, and I think

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it would detract from the pacing of the film. So

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I understand that you have to let some of that

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stuff go in order to make sure you're telling the

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story that you want to tell. Yeah, but you know,

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there's there's there's so much to this man. There's some

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stuff that I think they've cut out that I wish

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they would have added, you know, like I said, being

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a history buff, that dam I wish they had dived

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in a little bit more of them creating the left raft.

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And it really wasn't a life raft in this movie.

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In real life, it was a life draft that they

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made this one. It was just what that liked. Yeah, yeah,

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that's basically all they created. But that's not true. What

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they really created was a life about is what they made.

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I would like to have seen them do more of that.

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You know, we really didn't dive into that portion of it. It

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was more of them just getting the tools to dig out.

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I mean, sure we see some of that, a little

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bit of that, but not as much as I really

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wanted to see. You know. If there's anything that I

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disliked about this film, it was that portion.

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Yeah, And I do wonder if they had to make

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if they had the intention or the ability to make

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kind of an extended cut. But then it's seen how

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long it was running and said, all right, to be efficient,

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let's cut to the chase. I do think it's also

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interesting how much we got kind of details of how

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they executed this escape. And I'm curious to know how

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much of it was accurate. So for example, the fan

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that they turned into a drill, yeah, actually.

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Did much all accurate. Man, what they did. Wow, they

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were smart, man, They were really intelligent on how they

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were able to get planned their escape, do the escape

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and get out of there. See, everything you see is

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on par of what really happened, obviously, except what I

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talked about with the lifeboat kind of thing, but still right,

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very close.

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Yeah. Well, and you know, one of the best aspects

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of the escape, or one of the one of my

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favorite parts of it, was the punctuation of it with

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the chrysanthemum. Yea, that's sitting there on the rocks. This

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just perfectly intact, just sitting there waiting like they knew

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that he's going to come this way and look for us,

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and just have this kind of greeting card for him,

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which is a nod back to Doc. Right, he says,

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the flower symbolizes me, like it can't keep me contained,

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which they ultimately rebel against and you know, make that escape.

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But the links that they had to go to, wow,

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oh yeah, there's a lot of details here. Like you said,

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it's that you know, I think they noted in Frank's Dacier.

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He has a superior IQ. It absolutely comes through everything

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from painting over a new grade to creating the fake heads.

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Oh yeah, I mean it was really in depth on

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this planet that they did, man, and actually they were

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able to pull it off as just a miracle in itself.

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But it just shows you the brilliance of those guys,

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it really does. I want to want to call out

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a couple of the actors who played the England brothers,

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Clarence and John. You got Jack Cibo who was in

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the Hitcher in nineteen eighty six as a trooper Preston,

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which I know we covered in the nineteen eighty six series.

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But the only one I really want to call out

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is good old mister Fred Ward, who plays John England.

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A lot of you who love Trimmers is going to

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know are going to remember him who played Earl. But yeah, no,

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this I think this is Fred Ward. I think he

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had some television, but I think this is his first

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major role in a movie.

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Out that's considering, Like, you know, coming back to this

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from a modern perspective, it's fascinating to see where he

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gets his start.

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Oh yeah, it absolutely is one other actor that I

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want to call out who I thought my heart broke

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for this character is Larry Hinkn, who played Charlie Butts. Yeah. Yeah,

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this guy was just you know, trying to make his

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way through prison, you know, and just you know, gets

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in on the escape plan. But then as you see,

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he really breaks down when they're escaping. You know, he's scared,

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he's nervous, he doesn't know if he can do it,

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they can pull it off, and he's almost frozen in fear, right,

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I mean, that's what you're getting right there. And when

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he finally decides, hey, you know what, I'm going to

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go join them, he gets to the point where he

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can't jump up to grab the bars because there's no

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one there to assist him and it's too high up.

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It was really heartbreaking, man.

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It was. I mean, Larry did an amazing job of

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showing that kind of that struggle and that turmoil. Right

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his face is trembling, and I wanted so badly for

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him to be able to find some clever way to

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jump up and reach those bars, but he never could

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get there. Again, this is somebody who I've grown up with.

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Seeing an older Larry hankin He's in one of my

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favorite movies of nineteen eighty six. He's in Running Scared.

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Is Ace the Mechanic the queue of Running Scared. But

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you know, he comes to this movie as kind of

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an everyman, right, probably somebody who's a bit down on

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his luck and just happened to get dealt kind of

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a bad hand. Ye. The fact that he can't make it,

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it really breaks your heart. At the same time that

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the bravery that it took when they were doing the headcount,

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when they were ultimately you know, discovered the escape had happened,

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He's just standing right there at the bars, like, Okay, yeah,

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let's talk. I mean, you probably can't catch them at

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this point because they're already gone or they drowned and

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they died, but I'm still here.

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So yeah, there's It's just so much was going on

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in that scene that I mean, you know, I again,

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I knew how it was going to happen. I knew

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how it was going to end, but I'm telling me,

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it was filmed so well that I was on the

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edge of my seat the entire time. They're gonna get caught,

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They're gonna get caught, and I know, I'm like come on,

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you know this story, you know what happens. But still

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it was done so well. It really kept you on

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the edge of your seat.

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Well for a first time, or I'll tell you. Even

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the scene where Charlie can't whistle right right, it's like,

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I don't know if it's nerves or what he's supposed to,

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you know, you know, whistle a tune, uh to signal

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that the guards are coming, and he can't. It's like

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he's got a mouthful of crackers, right, he just can't

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get it out. It was very tense, like there was

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no point where I was thinking, Oh, they're going to

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get caught, they're going to get thrown in solitary whatever.

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You knew they were going to actually get out. Whether

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or not they survive, it feels like the movie leaves

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that kind of ambiguous, which is very smartly punctuated by

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that end scene right over the credits of kind of

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an eerie music. I would say, yep, with that kind

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of frightening. Maybe it's because of the real hair, but

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that paper mache head yikes. So I'm air fuel.

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There is some documentaries about this escape and about the

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did survive, did they survive? Did they not? Survive. Apparently

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the FBI got a letter many many years later from

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South America from the England Brothers. Interesting that they did

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survive this. One of my fav favorite guys on the

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history excuse me, on the Discovery channel who does Expedition Unknown.

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He did an episode about this escape and he also

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went down to South America and he actually interviewed people

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who knew of the England Brothers in South America after

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the escaped Alcatraz. The guy's name is Josh Kate. So

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if you ever want to watch the episode, look it up.

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Expedition Unknown Undiscovery. Really good episode and he actually covers this.

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So by the sounds of it, Scott, they did make it.

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Yeah, well, I mean speaking of you know, groof in

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the modern day. I think there was an episode of

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MythBusters where they had kind of recreated the elements of

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the escape and things like that. So yeah, I would

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definitely try that down and check that out.

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Yeah, it's very interesting. Some other scenes in this episode

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that were kind of heartbreaking is too is Litmus, I

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guess having his heart attack. Yeah, when the warden came

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over to take the flower away, and you know that's

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obviously where the mouse kind of.

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Escapes, yeah, where he kind of crushes it in his hands.

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Yeah, yeah, Oh my god.

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Yeah. And I really didn't want that to happen to Litmus.

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I was so sad to see that happen and there's

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just nothing they can do. He drives to the floor

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and that's over. Yeah, it was.

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It was definitely heartbreaking. Obviously. I want to talk a

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little bit about Don Siegel too. He's the guy who

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directed this film. He worked a lot with Clint Easwood

465
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:38.960
obviously over the years, and I think that's why the

466
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:40.720
involvement between the two of them is in But I

467
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.240
think this is the last time they would work together.

468
00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:47.880
Was this film. I know he directed Funny Enough Between

469
00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:49.839
You and I Scott. He did the nineteen fifty six

470
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:51.039
Invasion of the Body Stature.

471
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:53.359
I saw that. I saw that. I'm glad you brought

472
00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:55.440
that up. Yeah, And I mean, like you said, it's

473
00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.119
not the first time they've teamed up. They've done Dirty Harry,

474
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:05.200
Two Mules for Sister Sarah, among others. But uh yeah,

475
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:09.119
apparently they had a fallout over how to kind of

476
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:14.160
credit the production of it, as I understand it, Eastwood

477
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:18.240
when it is uh mal Poso Company to be credited.

478
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.200
Siegel kind of fought for making it a SEAgel film.

479
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:26.200
They had a kind of a joint agreement, but they

480
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:28.440
were finally able to agree how to move forward. But

481
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:31.519
it established a bit of a rift between them, so

482
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:33.519
they wouldn't work again after this.

483
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:35.680
Which is quite a shame because they were they were

484
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:38.359
very talented individuals. But they were talented, really good when

485
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:43.039
they were together. But you know, things happen, unfortunately, and

486
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:46.359
that's what happened here. I find it also interesting that

487
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:50.279
the movie that they were watching in here was Hell

488
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:54.440
Is for Heroes, which is directed by Don Siegel and

489
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:55.400
starring Steve McQueen.

490
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.279
Right, so he got to choose choose like his favorite

491
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.799
scenes for you know, wait here, I wanted a show.

492
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:05.880
There of course? Why not? Right? All right, well tell

493
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:07.759
you what, Scott. Let's take a little bit of a

494
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.000
break and when we come back we will talk about

495
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:17.039
through the lens. All right, Welcome back everybody where. Scott

496
00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:19.680
and I are discussing here at film at forty five

497
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.200
Escape from Alcatraz starring Clint east Wood, drect by Don Siegel. So, Scott,

498
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:28.480
looking through the lens, did you find anything interesting?

499
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.400
So I just want to kind of give credit where

500
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.160
credits due in terms of how well this did in

501
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:37.559
nineteen seventy nine. Obviously, it's not that long after the

502
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:40.720
prison has closed, so it's still freshened people's minds and

503
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:43.839
kind of an interesting story to follow up on. Consistently

504
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:47.440
highly rated even among modern critics, which is good to see.

505
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:50.799
It was highly successful at the time, earning five point

506
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.480
three million in the US during its opening weekend, getting

507
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.799
forty three million in the US and Canada, making it

508
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.039
the fifteenth highest grossing picture of nineteen.

509
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.480
Seven denied, which is funny in the fact that so

510
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:05.119
many studios that want to touch this. It's like, yeah,

511
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.799
nobody wants to see a movie about people in prison.

512
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.599
Well you were wrong.

513
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:13.359
Right, Well, I mean, especially when you have this kind

514
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.359
of you know, maybe their perception of what a prison

515
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.480
movie was would be always going to have a lot

516
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:23.240
of fights in the yard. It's going to have a

517
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:28.720
lot of content that you know, might be kind of uncomfortable,

518
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:33.799
you know, But it's not kind of a prison movie

519
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:35.920
as much as it seems to be almost kind of

520
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:38.400
like a heist movie, right, even though they're not not

521
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:45.160
going over a bank. It's very much centering around even

522
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:50.559
though they're in prison, even though they're convicted, kind of

523
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:58.880
the injustices against them spiritually, If nothing else from this Warden.

524
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.319
As much as Warden was trying to keep order, he

525
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:06.559
obviously went too far in a couple of occasions. So

526
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.759
it's very much kind of a you know, the machinations

527
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:14.559
of the plan watching that unfold, and the tense drama

528
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.720
of seeing whether or not they'll actually be able to

529
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:17.279
get out or not.

530
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:20.279
Yeah. What I also found very interesting about this This

531
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.039
was actually filmed while that place was still open for

532
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:27.400
tourists right now, and apparently they, like they to a

533
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.359
tour came through like what every half hour, they could

534
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.359
only get like thirty minutes of footage and then any

535
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.720
would have to stop and wait, and then I guess

536
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:36.319
eventually they got tired of that and they moved to

537
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:38.680
a lot of night shoots. But man, what a nightmare

538
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:39.319
that would.

539
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.960
Have been, absolutely thought. I think I read somewhere that

540
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.880
Glynt Eastwood had even kind of agreed to people like,

541
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:50.039
if you'll stop badgering the crew, I'll sign autographs afterward. Yeah,

542
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:54.680
basically trying to kind of push people off. Yeah, and

543
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:57.720
even though it was you know, open to tourists. There

544
00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:59.599
was a lot that they had to do to bring

545
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:04.720
it back to filmable standards, right, Like, it's been a

546
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:06.599
lot of money. It was already in a state of

547
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.720
disrepair when they shut it down in the in sixty three,

548
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.440
and at this point they had to do a lot

549
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:17.160
of repainting, even though they had to have very carefully

550
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:21.480
applied paint because there was there is I think it's

551
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:27.680
graffiti and art that was put thereby some Native American

552
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:32.519
groups and they didn't want to trial that are cover

553
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:35.400
right right, Yeah, so they had to use basically paint

554
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:39.000
they could easily come off without damaging the art underneath.

555
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:46.599
And no electricity, so they're fifteen miles of cables to

556
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:50.519
to keep the lights on essentially, which is that's crazy,

557
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:52.519
very interesting. That seems like it's a lot of power

558
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:53.680
that we needed for that place.

559
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.119
Yeah. Well, even even the rain scenes and stuff. They

560
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:58.200
had a pipe in water because they couldn't use the

561
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:02.400
ocean because of the salt water. Yeah, they had that's

562
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:03.920
that is crazy all that had to do. But I

563
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:05.599
tell you what it worked out for that prison though,

564
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.039
for you know, for a historical site, because they were

565
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:10.839
able to get a lot of that fixed because of

566
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:13.599
the studio to bring it up the standards, to make

567
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.519
it look you know, better than what it was because

568
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:18.799
it was falling apart. So I mean it kind of

569
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:20.480
it worked out for them to let them use this

570
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:21.920
as a set, I think.

571
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.440
Yeah. And I mean, you know, the success of this

572
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.480
movie I think would have some kind of influence on

573
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:33.039
you know, investing and continuing upkeep of Alcatraz is a

574
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.359
historical site, right, Yeah, and we see Acatraz use several

575
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:39.640
times after this for a lot of movie locations.

576
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.680
Yeah. Absolutely, again going back to those days with the

577
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.480
usual sets, you know, I mean, they actually used the

578
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.359
actual location. Uh. And it shows, you know, it really does.

579
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:53.400
And I think that again added another dimension, uh to

580
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:58.000
this film. It was actually using that location. Another thing is, uh,

581
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:03.079
they didn't hire stunt something men. When Clinton's wood, Fred

582
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.039
Ward and Jack Deviat was going down the side of

583
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.559
the building, that was actually the actors doing that.

584
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:14.400
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a bold move. Hopefully they had

585
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.640
you know, some some pads at the bottom just in

586
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:22.640
case they fell, but uh, that's kudos to the actors

587
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:26.920
for being willing to go through that for this movie.

588
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:31.160
Yeah. Absolutely, you won't have that nowadays. Man, they would

589
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.319
throw a fit about using the real actors in situations

590
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:36.319
like that, Tom Cruise.

591
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.119
Good luck getting the insurance for the studio.

592
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:43.440
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, all right in anything else, Scott.

593
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.680
So one last note that I think is kind of

594
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.839
interesting tying it back to the modern day ninety six

595
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:56.920
movie we were just talking about. When Don Siegel read

596
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:02.400
the j. Campbell Bruce book, he wrote a treatment in

597
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.759
nineteen sixty six called The Rock based on this book,

598
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.599
considering the movie that we got with Sean Connery and

599
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:15.759
Nicholas Cage. Yeah, it's very interesting that that was the

600
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:16.559
title he chose.

601
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:20.359
It isn't it and obviously was on purpose of course, right,

602
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.359
but it comes full circle, right it does? Yeah, all right,

603
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:28.200
well let's score it. Jerry Fielding obviously did the music

604
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.279
for this. One of the things that I find very

605
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:33.680
interesting about the music in this movie is the fact

606
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.079
the lack of it at a lot of times. And

607
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.319
typically I would throw a fit about that, because you

608
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:44.079
know me, I love a good score. But in this

609
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.480
movie there were so many times that didn't need it,

610
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:49.720
and I'm glad they didn't use it. I mean, if

611
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:52.079
you really think about it, we get the drums at

612
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.119
the beginning of the movie, which help adds the tension

613
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.599
as we're approaching Alcatraz, and then obviously you get the

614
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:02.319
big build up score as there's gaping in the ending stuff.

615
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.559
As you said with the fake head that it's rolling,

616
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.159
But in between that, you don't really get a lot

617
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:09.079
and you don't need it.

618
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.719
I totally agree. I think this is one where any

619
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.840
kind of music would have taken away from that idea

620
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.960
of isolation and the probably the deafening silence within the prison,

621
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:27.719
because all of that is taken away right there. There

622
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:33.280
are no records, there is no music, there's nothing that

623
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:37.199
would kind of fill those halls, So to have it

624
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.400
filled with music feels like it would be a bit artificial.

625
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:45.199
I think the times when they did use music was

626
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:47.960
very appropriate. We already talked about the drum beat in

627
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:53.320
the beginning, but the creepy music that seems to kind

628
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:58.280
of build throughout the escape punctuated at the end did

629
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.800
it did a great job of making it feel like

630
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.599
a very tense atmosphere. I appreciated that.

631
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.400
Joyce more Yeah, I know many of the authors who

632
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.360
have seen some of these movies. Jerry Fielding has done.

633
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:14.159
He did Dirty Harry, The Enforcer. He also did Outlaws,

634
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:18.480
Josie Wales, The Outsiders, Beyond, the Poseidon Adventure, The Gauntlet,

635
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.039
the Bad News Bears, just to name a few. But Scott,

636
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:22.840
I think you said he has a connection to something else,

637
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:23.239
does he not?

638
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.320
Yeah? So I was. I was surprised to learn as

639
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.639
I was going through this that there's a connection to

640
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:34.400
something else that's near and dear to both of our hearts.

641
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.719
As I understand that Jerry Fielding wrote the scores for

642
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.880
season two and three of Star Trek the original series.

643
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.280
Wow, yeah, I never knew that.

644
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.840
I didn't either. But interesting connection to what we usually

645
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:52.280
talk about on Phaser set is done.

646
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.039
Yeah, absolute. It's always nice when we connect phasers to set.

647
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:59.440
This done to other movies. So no good call out there, Scott, yep,

648
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.039
All right, well let's quote this. Find anything interesting.

649
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:08.159
So I did see something interesting, not necessarily from you know,

650
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:11.480
it was hard to look for interviews about Escape from

651
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:14.639
Alcatraz because everything that came up in the search would

652
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:20.400
go back to the actual escape itself, so I couldn't

653
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:25.199
necessarily hear anything from the cast, the crew, from Don Siegel.

654
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.440
So instead of you know, fighting the wind. I just

655
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.920
kind of leaned into it and found an interesting snippet

656
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:39.199
from a BBC interview where prison warden Richard Willard was

657
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:43.000
interviewed in nineteen sixty four. He was very much under

658
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:48.320
the impression that this trio did not make it. He says, yes,

659
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:51.159
we were short a few, but they are not bragging

660
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.559
about it. In other words, that assumably all those that

661
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.320
were that we are short drowned in the procedure. There is,

662
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.280
to our knowledge, nobody walking the street today bragging about

663
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.679
having escaped from Alcatraz. Why am I so sure? You

664
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.239
hear the wind, don't you? And you see the water?

665
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:11.119
Do you think you could make it? I think that

666
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:16.440
was I think it's kind of a egotistical presumption. You

667
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:20.719
say that they did not make it, But for me,

668
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:26.039
I definitely think it would have been a very difficult journey,

669
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:27.840
to say the least. And I don't know if I

670
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.400
could have made it. What about you, Dave, There's no

671
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.480
way I could have made that. But yeah, for me,

672
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:35.920
I actually dug off a quote from Roger Ebert in

673
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.639
nineteen seventy nine, So he says, so the movie doesn't

674
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:43.639
have the ending that its superb beginnings had us expecting

675
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:48.320
with Escape from Alcatraz. Though I think that's acceptable. There's

676
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:50.880
so much else that's so good in the film, in

677
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:56.400
the performances, the characters, the minuently observed details of prison life,

678
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.079
the timing events leading up to the escape, that we

679
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.920
realize how rare such craftsmanship really is.

680
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.440
Yeah, it's true. I could agree more with Roger Ebert

681
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:08.960
on that one.

682
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:13.280
I say that's fair. Yeah, And you know, considering some

683
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.480
of the movies that are feeling the pressure to do

684
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:20.400
a lot of a lot more with special effects and

685
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.800
things like that, I think the production of this movie

686
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:25.079
very much fits the story.

687
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:30.360
Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, all right, any what ifs I.

688
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:35.719
Did find it interesting Apparently before Patrick McGowan was signed on,

689
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:41.599
Clint Eastwood considered Donald Sutherland where John Vernon as a

690
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:47.679
board of the two, I think Donald Sutherland would have

691
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:52.400
been a fascinating whole again, but I think he would

692
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.480
have had a much different energy. I think it would

693
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.440
have been similar to what we saw in the Hunger Games, right,

694
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.440
but in this era, you know, fresh off of Invasion

695
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:05.320
of the Body Snatchers, I'd always be looking for that

696
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.400
signature done Southerland smile, right, and I think it's fitting

697
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:14.480
that this Warden rarely, if ever did so. I think

698
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:15.559
they got the right choice here.

699
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.880
Oh no, absolutely they did. This Warden just gave off

700
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:22.679
those vibes that man, you are a jackass, and he's

701
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.400
so full of himself, and it comes off in every

702
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:27.280
scene that he's in. All right, well, let's move on

703
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:29.760
to the rewind and he likes dislikes.

704
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.480
There's a lot that we already talked about. There is

705
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:39.159
one scene that I missed from Charlie Butts, and I

706
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:41.519
think it's one of the standout performances here. When he's

707
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:42.440
talking to his wife.

708
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.679
Oh yes, I forgot about that scene.

709
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:49.840
Good call, and he finally kind of breaks, you know,

710
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.039
the the guard interrupts the call and says like, you

711
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:56.400
can't talk about the you know, inner workings of the

712
00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:01.199
prison or whatever. Yeah, and his rage just pops from

713
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:05.400
in place you really don't expect from this unassuming looking man.

714
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:06.320
Uh.

715
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.880
He just explodes. And then on the other side of

716
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:14.440
the glass. The performance by his wife matches that emotion,

717
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:18.000
just saying like I love you as slowly as she can,

718
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:23.719
you know, making sure that he understands how she feels

719
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:25.880
that It was just again heartbreak.

720
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.039
Yeah, that's that's something you weren't expecting coming in that film,

721
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.039
and then you get it and it was You're right,

722
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:34.360
they drove that home and it hit hard, that's for sure.

723
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.199
Yeah.

724
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.159
So, I mean one of the things that there's a

725
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:41.480
lot of scenes in this that are really really well done,

726
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:44.079
and it seems like the two that I choose are

727
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:49.199
the ones around the Warden and Frank Morris. But the

728
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:53.920
one line that he gives, and this is after Doc

729
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:57.000
is gone and everything, he goes up to him and says,

730
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.559
there's always the possibility of some asshole will be offended,

731
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.400
isn't there talking about the painting, And I'd love that line.

732
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:06.199
I'm like, yeah, I get under that skin of that

733
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:11.920
warden for what he did to Doc. Love that. I

734
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:17.920
do have one dislike in this film, and that is

735
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:24.360
the using of the fade out too much. Oh yeah,

736
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.519
you know, you really need to limit using fade outs.

737
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:33.880
I felt this movie did it way too much. I

738
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.519
don't know if it was really a thing. I haven't

739
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.119
paid attention to Don Siegel's work. What if he uses

740
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:41.679
that a lot in his films. Maybe he doesn't. I

741
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:44.239
just didn't really pay attention. But this one. It really

742
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.840
stood out to me. I'm like, why do we keep

743
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:49.280
fading out so much? Can we not use that dissolve

744
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.480
here from time from time to time? But it just

745
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:54.920
felt awkward a lot. Am I wrong in that?

746
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:57.440
No? I mean, now that you mentioned that, I guess

747
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.960
there is a lot of that happening in the movie.

748
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:03.199
It didn't it didn't stand out as much to me.

749
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:07.960
But this was such a fresh watch that it's possible

750
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.039
that on a rewatch that's something it's a little bit

751
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:10.719
more pronounced.

752
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.000
Yeah, if you do go rewatch it, pay attention to that.

753
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.239
You two listeners, if you go to watch this again,

754
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.880
what do you think about that? Is? Did they use

755
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.519
fade outs too much? I think they did. Maybe I'm wrong,

756
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:24.920
It could be it happens, But still great movie. I'm

757
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:26.199
not going to detract it from that.

758
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:29.360
No way, absolutely, And I mean I think it's easy

759
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:33.239
to see the impact of this movie aside from what

760
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:35.360
we've already talked about. Hopefully it went. You know, some

761
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.239
of the money went back into restoration of the Falcon Traser.

762
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:40.679
At least the popularity fed that a little bit. Yeah,

763
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:46.440
there's some obvious big film connections. You'll be able to see,

764
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.480
especially with Shush Anchordemption, as you mentioned before, the Green Mile.

765
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:56.360
While the source material for each of those is very distinct,

766
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.320
they're very distinct stories. What they have in common is

767
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:01.519
really the fact that they're set in prison. One is

768
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:05.440
about an escape, the other one not so much. But

769
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:09.480
you can definitely see the dna of how they kind

770
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.400
of approach the drama in this movie with a lot

771
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:19.639
of earnestness. They definitely wanted to not so much say that,

772
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:21.960
you know, all these prisoners should be free, because again,

773
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:23.639
we don't know what they did to get in here,

774
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:28.599
but it does still recognize them as human beings yep,

775
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.920
right from different walks of life with different interests and

776
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:38.000
seeing what you know, as red says in josh Ank Redemption,

777
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:42.280
what being institutionalized does to a man. So if you're

778
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.239
a fan of any of those kind of movies, this

779
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.679
definitely is worth a watch. There's so much more to

780
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.039
it than beyond the escape itself, which I had always

781
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.800
gotten the impression from the poster, from the title that

782
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:56.760
it was mostly going to be you know, there's going

783
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:58.760
to be a lot more fighting in this one, a

784
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:02.599
lot more physicality. There really isn't. It's a lot of

785
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:07.960
dramatic profiles of various people in prison and what that

786
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.159
does to them and what they'd be the links they

787
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:11.800
would be willing to go to to get out of it.

788
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.280
Yeah, I mean, it's a Clint Eastwood movie, So you

789
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.840
think that he's going to be constantly this badass who

790
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.000
kicks a bunch of butt. He kicks a wolf spot,

791
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.840
which he deserved in the shower, So but who will

792
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.119
overlook that? But I mean, you expect a Clint Eatwood

793
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:25.880
movie that he's going to be playing this guy who's

794
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:29.119
going to be constantly fighting and you know, showing how

795
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.519
bad ass he is. He is badass, Yes, we would

796
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.719
admit that, but it's a little bit different film for

797
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:35.840
Cline's Wood, you know.

798
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:42.960
Yeah, absolutely, And I think it's a good direction for

799
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.480
him to go in because he's showing that he has

800
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:51.360
the you know, dramatic ability beyond the so called action movies.

801
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:53.639
Not that he wasn't able to demonstrate that in other

802
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:56.760
pictures before this one, but it's definitely one that shows

803
00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:57.760
his range. Yeah.

804
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:01.320
Absolutely. In further of the impact of this film, too,

805
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.039
is I love the fact that the writer of this

806
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.119
really went out of his way to make sure this

807
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:08.800
film got made because so we kind of mentioned a

808
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.679
little bit earlier that so many studios passed up on

809
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.639
us because they said, it's it's a movie about people

810
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.480
in prison, nobody's gonna want to watch that. I'm glad

811
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.079
that the writer kepped to his guns and kept pushing

812
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.480
and got this made and got this pushed through and

813
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.920
it became what it is, because it definitely is a

814
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:31.599
classic to anyone who's into cinema, and it really has

815
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:34.199
its place there, and then it deserves it because it

816
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:36.000
is a really fantastic film.

817
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:38.039
Yeah, I'm glad that you covered this one.

818
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:39.800
Yeah, me too. Where'd you watch this up?

819
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.480
I saw it on Amazon Prime, which is a bit

820
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:49.119
of a relief because usually when you're looking for kind

821
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:54.280
of behind the scenes facts, there's always that great feature

822
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.000
on the app at least that gives you a little

823
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:57.920
bit more of a closer look.

824
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.119
What about you, I don't own this one, so I

825
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:02.920
did the same thing as you. I watched it on

826
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.719
Prime is where I caught it at. Definitely worth the rent.

827
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:09.880
If you've not seen this, go check it out. It's

828
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:10.599
totally worth it.

829
00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:13.800
Yeah, and while you're at it, dig deeper into the

830
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:18.159
destination Unknown episode on the MythBusters episode. Absolutely, after watching

831
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:19.599
this movie, say don't spoil anything.

832
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:24.239
Yep, absolutely, highly highly recommend Josh Gates's Expedition Unknown. All

833
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:26.719
of his work is incredible, but yes, the episode he

834
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.960
does about Alcatraz is a lot of fun to watch. Yep.

835
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.880
All right. As always, we want to thank our listeners

836
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:36.960
for tuning in and listening to our excitement about films

837
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.679
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838
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:44.400
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839
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.760
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840
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.639
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841
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842
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.000
Go out watch something new, watch something different, and who

843
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:59.440
knows what you'll discover next. Thanks everyone.

844
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.360
Yeah, let's break down out here, Yes, break