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Hello everyone, and welcome back to nineteen seventy nine in
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a film by Limited Series, A Film at forty five.
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I'm David Burns and I'm Scott Hoffmann, and as usual,
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we're dusting off the end of a decade the changed
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cinema forever with a fresh look at modern classics and
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hidden gems that we can't stop watching. This week, we're
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having a sort of crossover as we're joined by crewmates
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from Phasers Set to Stun to talk about Star Trek,
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the motion picture.
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Darflee reports our last ex crew members are ready to
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beam up, but one of them is refusing to step
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into the transporter.
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Balls is a thing out there? Why is any object
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we don't understand?
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Always call the.
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Thing headed this way?
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Science officers spot, I'm reporting as ordered Captain.
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Vessel status fully operation.
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I say, missus Scott, shall we give the Enterprise a
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proper shakedown?
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I would say it's time for that set I, mississili
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I had warm.
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One War one, sir, heading, sir, that a way.
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So welcome to the show.
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Wayne Whited and Chuck Brian, Hello everybody.
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Hey, thanks for having me back again.
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No problem.
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We knew exactly who to bring on to talk about
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this one.
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Yeah, we had this on the radar. This was going
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to be the cross over vent of the year for
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phasers and for a film at forty five, so we
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always had that target ready to go. So it's excited
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to have both of you on here. It really is
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to talk about this film. As we mentioned, we are
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discussing fifth anniversary of Star Trek, the Emotion Picture, the
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film that introduced our og crew to the cinema. We
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finally get to see Captain Kirk, Spock, doctor McCoy, hura,
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check Off An Scotty finally grace the big screen, and
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along with them, they brought the Enterprise in a very
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epic story that we're about to break down here for you.
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But before we do that, Scott tell us what this
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film is all about.
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Sure, Well, like you said, it's been roughly ten years
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since the last new adventure of the USS Enterprise on
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television and the first time that Star Trek is venturing
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onto the big screen. This movie finds Admiral Kirk returning
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to the bridge of the Enterprise after a long hiatus
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as a mysterious spacecraft vaporizes, a small Klingon fleet and
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a starfleet space station on its way to the heart
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of Federation space. Kirk gathers his original crew in Dick's
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commanded the Enterprise once more, leading the mission to save
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the Federation from this massive, yet unknown threat. Will they
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be up to the challenge after being away so long?
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Will this movie breathe life into the franchise? Well, Doctor
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Grizzly disco Bones change how we look in fashion in
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the future. We'll talk about that in today's episode.
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So here's my honest opinion on this film. I'm gonna
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go ahead and get it, get the elephant and out
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of the room here. So, when I first saw this
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as a kid, I was super disappointed in it. You know,
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I wanted plane exploring battles. You know, the stuff I
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saw in the OG series that I caught and reruns.
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You know, this is nothing like that. And seriously, it
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let me down. Luckily, you know, we got Wrath the
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con that came along and kind of set us back
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on track with that. However, with that being said, watching
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this film as an adult and knowing more about it,
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I appreciate this film so much more than I once did.
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So this is just one of those reversals that you
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know as a kid, I'm like, you know, you know whatever,
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It just everything felt off to me and a lot
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of people. I think it did. But the older I got,
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I realized one and I appreciated this film, the story
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everything more Now looking back as a kid, I could
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understand that. But you know what about you guys.
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I totally agree with that, Dave. I think there's also
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a bit of a difference between if you're taking a kid,
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if you're taking a kid to an amusement park or
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a museum. Right, If you're taking them to a museum
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and they're expecting an amusement park, they're going to be like,
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what is all the walking and looking and learning about?
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It's all this slow study. And I feel like maybe
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a lot of audiences were expecting that. They weren't expecting
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a longer movie that was a little bit more focused
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on details and science and contemplation and things like that.
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But I'm in the same boat. When I first watched this,
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I ended up actually kind of skipping through a lot
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of the longer space scenes and a lot of the
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you know, hey, look at the ship kind of long
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drawn out shot shots. But when I went into it
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knowing it was a longer movie and knowing the tone
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that it was kind of setting, and I was ready
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for it. It became a different movie before me, Chuck,
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what about you.
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Yeah, I'm gonna say that. In nineteen seventy nine when
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I saw this, I also walked away from it. I
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was very disappointed. Subsequent viewings didn't necessarily help it. But
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somewhere in my college time frame, I started seeing what
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the story of this film really was. And to be honest,
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I kind of you can clue in on several characters
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if you wish, because there's several story arcs that are
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going on in here. For me, I kind of latched
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onto Spock in this film, and once I started following
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his story and his journey, the movie started making a
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lot more sense to me, and I started finding room
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to enjoy it. But I have to kind of similarly
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say what both you know you and Scott have said.
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David.
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It's not Wrath of Khan's. It's it's not The Search
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for Spot, it's not Voyage Home, and but it is
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something different. It is a bottle episode, if you will,
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It's something that's not duplicated. It was the highest grossing
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of the Star Trek films until the two thousand and
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nine film came out, so it was very successful for
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its warts and all. Without it, I don't think we
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would have had Star Trek two.
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So I agree, yeah, completely.
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Wait what about you, Well, to understand how much you
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know I like this film, you have to really understand
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my origin with Star Trek. You know how I came
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to get into it, And because I was not a
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fan of the original series, I didn't follow it as
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a kid. I didn't grow up with it. I was
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a Star Wars, Battlestar Galactic, you know, g I Joe
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type person. But I discovered Star Trek. I saw Star
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Trek two and three and four when they came out
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in theaters. But I really didn't become a Trekky until
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the next generation came out. And then after that point
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is when I started watching the original series, in which
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I started really devouring anything Star Trek. So they would
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have been about nineteen eighty eight or eighty nine when
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I first saw the motion picture on videotape and it
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was that extended, really long version that should never have
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been released. I liked it. I really liked the film.
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I appreciated what they were doing. I did feel it
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was really too long, which of course I learned later
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that was because of that specific edit that they had
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for the videotape. But I love the film. I love
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everything about it I thought. I mean, the visual effects
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are outstanding, the music is outstanding. I love the actors
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and the characters. You know, I didn't have all that
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preconception that stuff, you know, that anticipation that everybody had
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from watching the original series. So you know, to me,
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they were they were just Kirk spocka McCoy as as
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I knew them from the other films. But it's no Master,
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like you said, it's not Star Trek two. But it's
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still very high on my list of favorite films.
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Yeah, I mean it's a good film. I mean even
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the cast even said it didn't feel right to them.
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It didn't feel like their characters at times. You know.
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Then they were struggling with that when they were filming
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this movie. You know they have admitted that. So but
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when you look at this as a whole film, I
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love this movie. Do not get me wrong at all.
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And you know, I like it a lot more than
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I used to. And I believe my understanding is Gene
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ron Berry was going to do a Phase two star Trek,
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and a lot of this evolved from that a lot,
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but which eventually, yeah, which eventually Phase two became the
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Next Generation, which we all know, we absolutely love, you know,
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that's what you know that became. But I mean, I
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believe they didn't know Walliam Shetner was going to ask
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They thought Wallims Shetton was going to ask for too
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much money coming back to a new TV series. So
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that's why they kind of introduced Decker thinking that he
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was going to take over that role with the Phase
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two Star Trek. So the fact that the television series
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really didn't work out and it became the motion picture,
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if you look at that a lot more and it
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makes this film look a little bit different in my opinion.
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Yeah, And people a lot of people don't realize how
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close they came to making Phase two. I mean, they
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came right down to the wire. You know, they were
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doing costumes, the sets were being built, test shots were
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being done, scripts were written, which I remember there used
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to be a book out back in the eighties called
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I think it was called The Lost Stories or something
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like that that went through all the scripts you know
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four Phase two, and they were really fascinating. But the
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pilot episode, which is basically what the motion picture came
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to be, other than a few changes at the end,
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was an incredible story. And you know, yeah, it was
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missing Spock. I don't know if it would have worked
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without him, but it's just it's fascinating, this whole thing
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about Phase two. But they came so close to filming
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and within weeks of filming this, you know, that's how close.
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So you know a lot of the stuff that we
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see in the motion pictures we would have saw on
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the television screen.
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Just a bit of scope obviously.
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Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, and you have William Shatner.
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When they were trying to decide whether or not they
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were going to bring William Shatner back, you know, they thought, well,
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you know, he's I don't think the studio executives really
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liked him very much, and they didn't think he would
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translate very well, uh, to a to a movie, and
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so their thought was that in act one or you know,
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he would be killed off. And so Gene Roddenberry of course,
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fault against that tooth and nail and eventually got him
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to where he was promoted to admiral, and so that
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brought in Decker as the commander, and really William Decker
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and Aliyah Aliyah are the only two remaining characters from
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the original scripts that they were working out both for
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Phase two. I mean Phase two was seriously this is
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like everyone knows what happened in May of nineteen seventy seven.
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That was Star Wars. That changed everything. That suddenly showed
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the studios that science fiction was not only profitable, it
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was very profitable. And then Close Encounters of the Third
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Kind was coming right out right after that later in
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December or the following year of nineteen seventy nine, Alien
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was already in the pipeline. It was being made. So
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science fiction was starting to have its resurgence to where
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it could make really good, good money. And so here's
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Paramount juggling between Okay, we're gonna make a movie and
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you know, well, we have this script that's we're gonna
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get Philip Kaufman to direct this this movie for us. No,
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we don't quite like that anymore. We're gonna make it
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back into a TV show. Maybe it's going to be
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a movie.
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But then in August of seventy seventy seven, seventy they're
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they're going to start going full steam ahead into making
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this into a movie.
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Yep. That's also interesting.
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Yeah, it's also kind of a you know, you bring
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up obviously, Star Wars changed everything about not only movies
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and merchandising, but but sci fi at the time, right,
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it seemed to have kind of taken over sci fi,
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and I think when there's the promise of bringing back
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one of the granddaddy's of sci fi with Star Trek,
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I feel like maybe there is an expectation that, well,
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we can we can make a lot of money off
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of this with merchandising like we did with Star Wars.
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And they tried.
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They tried, Yeah, and I know that there were there
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were action figures made. But then, you know, thinking back
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to being a little kid, it goes from seeing Star
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Wars and all the stuff that goes with that, all
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of the kind of the play that that encourages, to
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seeing this movie. Yep, Right, you wouldn't necessarily get the
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same kind of draw. I think maybe it.
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Would be like if if Silent Running in two thousand
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and one came out after Star Wars, wouldn't be hold
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either one of those two movies. I really feel like
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Star Trek should have come out maybe before Star Wars,
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and it would have fit right in that suite vibe
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of how the seventies movies looked before Star Wars. I
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think after Star Wars there's a different bar that's been set.
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I would also say there's kind of a different expectation
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that people may have come into, you know, if their
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kids had watched the original series. You've got this charismatic,
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semi swashbuckling debonair Captain Kirk. When we meet him in
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this movie, he's very dour, I would say, very controlling.
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think this guy's kind of a jerk.
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that I did not understand who Kirk was and why
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he was so different from the TV show.
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who I think does fit into that pre movie Kirk
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kind of mold. He is a little bit more charismatic.
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He is a good looking character, right, and he is
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trying to kind of like step aside and say like,
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all right, you're going to take command, Okay, I'm still
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going to show you when you're wrong, but you know,
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I'll be here in supportive So it feels like Decker's
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character is a little bit more endearing, which knocks the
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legs out from Kirk, but he kind of sets himself up.
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For that paramount. I think you know, they had, you know, money,
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they were thinking about money, and you know, of course
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obviously that's what they did what they do, but you know,
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when Star Wars came out, they probably looked and said, well,
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what do we got that can match that? And of
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course they said Star Trek and but you know, that's
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kind of a flawed thinking in their you know, their way,
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because I mean, let's be honest, Star Trek is not
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really geared towards kids like Star Wars. It's it's just
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it's just not it never has been not. I'm not
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saying kids can't enjoy and watch it. We all did,
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but but I mean it's really not the family type
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film that Star Wars is. So you know, you know,
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they tried their best with with the action figures and
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you know McDonald's had a happy meal, but I mean,
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think of the motion picture as a kid. You watch us,
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and it's going to go s right over your head.
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You know, it's like most of this stuff is you know,
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who are these people? You know, it's not until like
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you're you're like a teenager, which is when when I
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saw the film that you could really appreciate this film.
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It's it's not the family film that star wars and
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but and that's so it was flawed at the beginning
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in my opinion.
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You still get some brilliance of some of these characters
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from time to time that you see a little bit
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of them shutting through. You know, you get those moments
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between Kirk and McCoy, You get those moments when McCoy
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and Kirk all together. You even get the the ripping
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off the band aid like I like to say, when
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he tells Decker that sorry, buddy, I'm taking charge of
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the ship. You know, those those kind of moments. And
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then when Scotty was standing like giving those glances of
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what was going on. So you still get that brilliance
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of those characters. But there's still a lot of those
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element was missing in this film. But you know, they
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came back strong with Wrath of con so we can
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forgive them for that. But overall, this movie was beautiful.
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The special effects were outstanding, and I know every one
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of us can say here and agree that Jerry Goldsmith's
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score is just out of this uh and then another planet,
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how good is the score? And it's where we get
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the next generation score from the open, you know, So
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you know, we get we get a lot of stuff
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in this film that we're going to appreciate down the
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road that maybe not at first we do because it's
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kind of catching us off guard as a film. But
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it's still an overall really good film. It's it's in
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a great adventure of what's going on and trying to
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discover of in basically finding it's a satellite, you know,
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that's you know, and it's a little kid almost basically,
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you know. I think it was it Spock that said
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that or McCoy. You know that it's a child, you know,
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So you know, there's a there's a lot of stuff
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in this that is really good at the heart of it.
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And Chuck, I believe you said if you if you
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gravitate towards Spock's character here, you get a lot more
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appreciation out of this film. And I agree with that.
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When I watched this again to get ready for this podcast.
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That's exactly what I did, you know, because I had
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forgot some of the elements of this film because I
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hadn't seen it in so long.
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Did you watch the recent release of the directors I
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did addition, Okay, so you're you're actually seeing material that
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there's maybe just to kind of go down the releases
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that you possibly can see. You can see the original release, Okay,
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you can see what Wayne saw, which is the special
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longer version which was aired on a U. In fact,
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it has one scene where Kirk is coming out of
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the Enterprise in his space walk and you can see
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the set and everything all around it because it wasn't finished.
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Then you can see the I think it was maybe
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the twenty the first Director's Edition, which was was only
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made for d two thousand and two thousand and one,
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thank you, but they did not the elements of that
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movie would not scale to high definition. And then back
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in twenty let's say it was twenty twenty two, they
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David Fine and company got to the point where they
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were they were redoing all of those original those effects
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for the for the Director's Edition to come out with
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a version of this film that had the quality of
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HDR that could be printed on the film and could
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be reshown in theaters again, and that version is Christine.
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It is gorgeous.
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That's what to watch.
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It's the US version. Yes, in a pretty version.
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It puts in parts of Spock's story that were excised
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the whole I weep for Veger like a brother because
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vgre is asking questions that really, I mean, it's the
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same questions that all humanity, every culture in the world asked,
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these questions about where did I come from, where am
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I going? What do I matter? You know, in the universe,
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and Veiger has gotten to a point of it sentience
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to where it's it's now asking those exact same questions.
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Yeah, you might be confused about, you know, the idea
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that there's so many different versions of this film, but
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you have to realize that back in seventy nine, and
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this is my opinion again, but they made a mistake
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of setting a date for the release of this film
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that they just could not reach. And so the film
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was released back in seventy nine pretty much incomplete. I
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didn't have the proper edit, didn't have a proper sound editing.
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I mean, they went down to the last minute. If
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I remember reading a story that's Robert Wise actually carried
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the wet print on the plane with him to the premiere.
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That's how close it got. I mean, Jerry Goldsmith recorded
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his last recording session like less than a week before
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the film was released, so you know, they really came down.
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They didn't have enough time to finish this, so some
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of the visual effects didn't get done. It definitely didn't
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get a good at it because if you watch that
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original version, there are you know, times when they're hanging
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on the characters and it's like, oh, I cut cut,
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and they're always stand around staring at you. Yeah.
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You know.
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It wasn't really until two thousand and one that they
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did a proper with Robert Wise. He was in charge
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of this. I got was fortunate back in two thousand
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and one. I went to a convention in Baltimore about
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four months before this was release, and the visual effects
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designer that worked on Star Trek Voyager, who also did
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this motion picture, I think his name was Adam Leibowitz.
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He did a like a panel that I got to
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set in there, and that was the first time I
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saw any footage from the motion picture Director's Edition, and
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I got to sit there and listen to the technical
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aspects of putting this together, and it was just absolutely fascinating.
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But this is something that they wanted to do for
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years and years. Robert Wise always felt that he never
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would had a chance to finish his film, and he
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finally did. And then of course with the Blu Ray release,
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you know, they got to tone it down and got
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to to you know, fine tune it so that it's
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a perfect but final release, and that's why there's so
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many different versions.
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Just to expand out. So Wayne hit and if we
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wanted to start talking about production or you know what
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happened with this film, Wayne hit it right on the nail,
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right on the head. The studio had already sold this
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film to distributors to be in cinemas on December seventh.
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It had to be one hundred and twenty something minutes long.
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And if they did not get it into the cinemas
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on that date, now the distributors could start to find
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the movie company thousands of dollars, I mean, like in
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the realm of like a lot of money. So this
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is what stood over it the entire time, and in
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my brain I always had to kind of think about
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where the timeline actually happens. So if you start in
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nineteen seventy nine, they finished all the principal photography in
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right around December or January, January of seventy eight, I'm sorry,
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January of seventy nine, they finished principal photography. At this point,
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Star Trek the motion picture had more optical shots than
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Star Wars and Close Encounters had altogether. And on February
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Robert Wise went into a viewing room to see what
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the original effects company, which was able In Company or Astra,
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what work that they had, what completed shots had they
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had completed, and they had nothing.
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They had a.
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Little bit of the probe scene. So whenever you look
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at the film and you kind of notice that that
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probe scene when it comes on board the enterprise, things
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look a little bit different there. That's what Abel had
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worked on in that particular scene, but he had nothing.
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Abel gets fired, That whole company gets fired. They bring
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on Douglas Trumbull. Trumbull brings on John Diistra, and now
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they set up three separate studios or three separate locations
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in the Marin County area to where they begin working
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on the effects for this film. They really don't get
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all of their cameras built out, their software program This
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is not you know, out of the box kind of stuff.
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This is all highly specialized. They don't really get this
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completed until like June. That's when they're starting to start
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to shoot some of that film June of seventy eight,
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and they are going twenty four hours a day, three
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shifts just weeks on end this film. When mister Scott says,
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you know, she'll launch on time, you know, even if
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we have to get out and drag it out, that
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speaks for the production of this film post production.
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And it's rough post production. I mean, think about how
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much visual effects this film has, how many long sequences
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of visual effects you get, And can you imagine, you know,
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the film editor, the sound editor, Jerry Goldsmith himself having
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to just stare at a blank screen for like minute, minutes,
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three minutes trying to create stuff, trying to work on
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this and they just don't have anything there. There's nothing
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there to work on, but they still have to do
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the work.
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I mean, you know, it's crazy to think about, that's
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for sure.
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There's a there's a quote somewhere I can't remember. It
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might have been who was the studio head was it
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was it?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He was like, it was like, this film is going
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to be out, even if we have to put Black
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Leader where the effects are supposed to be, it's going
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to be in theaters on that date because they don't
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they don't guarantee you that you have.
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To have a good movie, right obviously, So I just
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get live performers to stand up with the screens and
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just pan them a little bit or puppet thing, right
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exactly exactly. Well, I'll tell you what. Let's take a
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little bit of a break when we come back. Let's
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get into some of our favorite parts of the movie
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and keep digging deeper into Star Trek the Motion Picture.
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All r anybody, welcome back, where we continue our discussion
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with Star Trek the Motion Picture. So, gentlemen, there's a
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lot to this movie. As we know. We've had some
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really good discussions of the production of it and those
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kind of things. So let's dive in a little bit
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deeper some of our likes and dislikes. Chuck, what about you.
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As far as dislikes go, Again, there's even with the
486
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:18.799
the latest version, I still feel that some of the
487
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.039
pacing is a little bit still too long for me,
488
00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:26.160
because you know, they do through the Beagure cloud where
489
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:29.039
they're flying through it, and then they fly over Vgure,
490
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:33.680
and those two things having happened almost simultaneously back to back,
491
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:35.920
I always felt like that something could have been done
492
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:39.079
to break that up there, There could have been something
493
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:45.799
else going on in that timeframe, and that I think
494
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.720
for the most part, that's that's what really has has
495
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:53.279
never really worked for me, and in all of its incarnations,
496
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:58.000
stuff that I just think has bang on. Even the
497
00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:01.319
effects in seventy nine, even though you could see all
498
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.799
the matt lines and everything, I didn't know what those
499
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:05.720
were at the time, but even though you can you
500
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:09.799
can see them, the ship looks gorgeous. I mean, the
501
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:13.480
Enterprise I don't think has ever looked in the films
502
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.039
as good as it did. The paint job that was
503
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.480
done on that, the on the model was just incredible.
504
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:26.200
I think the production quality of what you see it
505
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.400
looks good. The money is up there, it's on the screen,
506
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:32.319
it's been it's been spent, and by gosh, I am
507
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:34.720
so glad whatever they had to do to get Nimoy
508
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.839
on board, I'm so glad that they got them on board.
509
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:40.039
That's like, one of my favorite shots of this whole
510
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.279
movie is when mister Scott and Kirk are heading to
511
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.359
the Enterprise and you get those long sweeping shots of51200:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.440
the shuttle right going, you know, around the Enterprise, and51300:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.519
you get that beautiful score from Jerry Goldsmith, and yeah,51400:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.880
that Enterprise has never looked as good as it did51500:27:54.920 --> 00:27:56.640
in that film. You are absolutely right, shock.51600:27:57.440 --> 00:27:59.920
Yeah, although there was one one thing that was a51700:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.440
little weird to me. It seemed like they were going around,51800:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.559
like they went around the back of the Enterprise and51900:28:06.599 --> 00:28:09.279
then it feels like the opening of the shuttle bay52000:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.319
was right there and it looked like it was opened.52100:28:11.400 --> 00:28:13.519
So it was like, I just have to go all52200:28:13.559 --> 00:28:14.880
the way around to the side.52300:28:15.400 --> 00:28:16.839
You want to show him, show him the Enterprise.52400:28:16.880 --> 00:28:20.200
That's that's true.52500:28:19.880 --> 00:28:21.599
That's what it was. It was like a shuffle tour.52600:28:21.880 --> 00:28:27.000
Yep said, you see Scotty's admiration for it because he52700:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.200
does keep looking at Kirk like, come on, this is52800:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.759
my bread and butter, this is the big show here.52900:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.160
But yeah, absolutely, wait what about you?53000:28:34.960 --> 00:28:38.440
Well, you know the film, it's such a beautiful film,53100:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.720
every bat last bit about it. But actually I'm the53200:28:41.799 --> 00:28:46.359
opposite of you, Chuck. I the longer sequences, especially the53300:28:46.440 --> 00:28:49.359
vature flyover, is my favorite part of the film because53400:28:49.440 --> 00:28:53.720
I think that's when everything gels together, because everyone that's53500:28:53.759 --> 00:28:55.519
working on this film is doing their best, and they53600:28:55.640 --> 00:28:59.720
really put out some incredible work for nineteen seventy nine,53700:28:59.799 --> 00:29:04.119
and that those scenes of the flyover don't seem long53800:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.160
to me at all, because they're just it's it's eye candy.53900:29:07.400 --> 00:29:09.839
It's it's eye candy. To me, it's it's ear candy.54000:29:10.160 --> 00:29:11.279
You know everything there.54100:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.839
I just that's where that's an overdose. Yeah, Goldsmith's score.54200:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.039
I was reading some review where they were, you know,54300:29:19.079 --> 00:29:25.039
they were complimenting Goldsmith's score in that it overhyped some54400:29:25.079 --> 00:29:26.920
of the sequences a little bit more.54500:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.200
But I'm fine with that.54600:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.880
Yeah, no, no, no, I don't think you'll find anyone54700:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.720
on this podcast who disagrees that having more Jerry is54800:29:34.759 --> 00:29:35.400
a bad thing.54900:29:36.880 --> 00:29:36.960
No.55000:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.640
I completely agree with you on that, and we get55100:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.359
so many good themes from Jerry and in this movie55200:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.839
that obviously gets used later on and other Star Trek55300:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.119
movies and the next generation even lower Decks uses some55400:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.359
of those sound effects and stuff like that. You know55500:29:49.440 --> 00:29:51.000
that the whole vdure score. But we'll get into that a55600:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.720
little bit when we're talking about Jerry Goldsmith, because we55700:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.680
know that's coming, and so hang on there, listeners, we're55800:29:56.680 --> 00:29:59.720
gonna get to that point. We promise Scott one of55900:29:59.799 --> 00:30:00.880
us in likes and dislikes for you.56000:30:02.359 --> 00:30:05.160
So just to expand a little bit on the I'll56100:30:05.160 --> 00:30:08.680
start with a dislike, which really focuses on Kirk, because56200:30:08.680 --> 00:30:11.279
I think, unfortunately we don't quite get the Kirk that56300:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.079
we get in the subsequent movies or in the preceding56400:30:14.279 --> 00:30:18.119
series what I've seen of it. I think it's interesting56500:30:18.160 --> 00:30:20.319
that even though he goes to such lengths to take56600:30:20.359 --> 00:30:23.559
over command, he almost gets them all blown up because56700:30:23.599 --> 00:30:27.480
he has that inherent misunderstanding of how the new ship56800:30:27.519 --> 00:30:31.559
works and basically takes them into a wormhole and almost56900:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.440
gets them to collide into an asteroid just because he's57000:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.880
rushing things way too much. You also get his intradition57100:30:39.039 --> 00:30:43.720
to Ailiyah, which seems to speak to his reputation preceding57200:30:43.759 --> 00:30:47.480
himself or something about her culture. I don't quite understand.57300:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.960
But the first thing she says to Kirk is that57400:30:50.000 --> 00:30:54.960
her both of celibacy remains intact and it's like, is57500:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.200
that something that you have to say when you're announcing57600:30:57.240 --> 00:30:59.920
yourself to somebody who's new. Is that because of your57700:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.359
relationship with Deckers, they want to make sure that there's57800:31:02.440 --> 00:31:06.319
nothing weird happening there or that you know that Kirk57900:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.400
has a little bit of a history, is a somewhat58000:31:09.400 --> 00:31:12.319
of a womanizer, and you're just like, it's her race.58100:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.839
Yeah, that's why. That's what that explanation was for. They58200:31:15.880 --> 00:31:17.440
really doesn't come out in the script, but.58300:31:19.480 --> 00:31:21.839
The book said something about their race being what is58400:31:21.880 --> 00:31:26.279
a Dalton being highly sexual? Yes, so I don't know58500:31:26.599 --> 00:31:27.799
exactly what that means, but.58600:31:28.920 --> 00:31:29.680
Even the.58700:31:31.160 --> 00:31:34.200
Version you saw as a kid, Wayne, Uh, it expanded58800:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.920
out a lot of that that those details. Uh Like58900:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.920
there's a there's a conversation between Sulu and Chekhov about59000:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.960
about Delton, and That's has this kind of nippy look59100:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.319
on his face, Like yeah, but all.59200:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.279
That I think don't Dealton's they like have like a59300:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.960
pheromone that that causes men something to to swoon over59400:31:56.000 --> 00:31:56.759
them or something like that.59500:31:56.839 --> 00:32:02.200
And you see the way that that in the director's edition.59600:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.240
You do see where in the probe scene where Chekhov59700:32:06.279 --> 00:32:10.440
gets burned, Aliyah goes over and before they can administer59800:32:10.519 --> 00:32:12.440
pain medication to him, she says, I can do this59900:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.440
or whatever, and she puts her hand on his shoulder60000:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.519
and then you see Chekhov relaxing, So you know, she60100:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.880
can use those pheromones in terms of both, you know,60200:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.079
the sexual ideal of it, but also in terms of60300:32:24.119 --> 00:32:24.920
healing as well.60400:32:25.160 --> 00:32:27.359
It makes me think that maybe the Daltons are slightly60500:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.400
telepathic or it could be something like that.60600:32:32.880 --> 00:32:37.079
As far as the likes. So I'm coming from this60700:32:37.799 --> 00:32:41.519
late in the game as a Next Generation fan and60800:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.920
watching it again for this podcast. This is after I've60900:32:45.000 --> 00:32:49.759
seen obviously the Next Generation series, the movies, and Picard61000:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.799
season one. So what always kind of fascinated me before61100:32:53.839 --> 00:32:58.160
seeing Piccard season one was that I keep seeing parallels61200:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.240
or possible connection points to the with this, and I61300:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.400
think it's a completely different species that haven't read into61400:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.880
expanded cannon on it or whatever it is. But there's61500:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.039
a line that Spock drops about resistance being futile.61600:33:13.599 --> 00:33:13.759
Yep.61700:33:13.920 --> 00:33:15.759
I was wondering if y'all picked up on that.61800:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.640
Oh yeah, yeah, it made my ear kind of perk61900:33:19.720 --> 00:33:20.640
up a little bit, but I.62000:33:20.720 --> 00:33:21.519
Heard that.62100:33:22.759 --> 00:33:23.160
Go ahead.62200:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.559
I'm sorry I heard that line for the first time62300:33:25.680 --> 00:33:27.960
this weekend when I rewatched this, and I'm like, I62400:33:28.039 --> 00:33:29.799
wonder if these guys are going to hear that same62500:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.640
line the way it hit me this time.62600:33:32.279 --> 00:33:34.759
Yea, it could be. I mean, I don't know if62700:33:34.759 --> 00:33:36.160
they've ever explored in that, but I know a lot62800:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.799
of people have have theorized that Jer come from.62900:33:38.640 --> 00:33:41.720
The boorg well, and then there's a there's a second63000:33:41.880 --> 00:33:46.880
theory that it could be connected to h whatever species63100:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.920
the Romulans were afraid of that were the prophecy of63200:33:50.960 --> 00:33:55.880
the synthoids. Oh yeah, right, because it talks about the63300:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.279
fact that VJER goes out to this distant plan that63400:34:00.279 --> 00:34:03.640
I'm assuming we have no hope of ever contacting or63500:34:03.759 --> 00:34:07.759
interacting with that kind of build it up and send63600:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.880
it back. But it seems like they're not necessarily interfacing63700:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.239
with carbon based life forms until the end when Aliyah63800:34:14.280 --> 00:34:17.480
and Decker fused to become a you know, a higher63900:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.280
state of being or whatever. I'm assuming they ascend to64000:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.760
whatever level Badgie eventually gets into in lower decks. But64100:34:25.719 --> 00:34:27.559
it just seemed to have some of those kind of64200:34:27.559 --> 00:34:29.760
connection points and what I like about that are just64300:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.000
all the different threads that you could pull to say,64400:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.559
what is that world that feature comes from?64500:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.519
Yeah, I do agree with that. My only just like64600:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.360
this entire film, is the security guards uniforms. Did you64700:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.679
guys look at those on How crappy those look?64800:34:45.280 --> 00:34:46.239
The football uniforms?64900:34:46.320 --> 00:34:52.599
Yes, let's talk about those four guys got thrown around65000:34:52.639 --> 00:34:54.880
so much in the original series that they said, okay,65100:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.280
we need them to have helmets.65200:34:56.679 --> 00:34:57.320
Makes sense.65300:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.920
Well, I have a little bit more humility than the65400:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.880
you know what Kirk is wearing where you can see,65500:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.880
you know, his his secondary badge or whatever you want65600:35:07.880 --> 00:35:08.199
to call it.65700:35:10.000 --> 00:35:11.800
Well, now, you know, a lot of people make fun65800:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.400
of these costumes, but I what was I I can't65900:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.000
remember the costumes of the Robert It's got to do Batman,66000:35:19.000 --> 00:35:22.440
you know. I applaud him for trying something different, trying66100:35:22.480 --> 00:35:24.920
something a little more futuristic. It didn't quite work. The66200:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.960
little booty thing, you know, the boots attached to the pants.66300:35:28.000 --> 00:35:29.800
I didn't like that all. But it's it's seventies. It's66400:35:30.039 --> 00:35:30.840
very seventies.66500:35:31.280 --> 00:35:36.199
Yeah, okay, I love the costumes because, as I said earlier,66600:35:36.559 --> 00:35:40.280
this is a film that it's a bottle episode. If66700:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.519
you will, it might even be in an alternate universe66800:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.239
for all we know, because we never see this again.66900:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.760
It's here in this one movie, and then it's never67000:35:48.840 --> 00:35:52.719
spoken of again. You know, it's onto the uniforms from67100:35:53.039 --> 00:35:54.920
Wrath of Khan and that's how it is on the67200:35:54.920 --> 00:35:57.800
way back. Yeah, So I just, I just I love67300:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.039
that seventies vibe of it. I think it's at one67400:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.360
point I was thinking, what I've changed the costumes? I67500:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.119
don't know. I think what shocked me as a kid67600:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.960
was that it was not as bright as what it67700:36:12.039 --> 00:36:12.679
was original.67800:36:12.840 --> 00:36:13.880
I'm glad you said that.67900:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.360
Yeah, it seemed very dull.68000:36:16.519 --> 00:36:18.840
That's my problem. It's not the design of the costume.68100:36:18.880 --> 00:36:23.039
It's the coloring that that that whole muted seventies brown68200:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.239
blue type. It doesn't work for me. It doesn't work68300:36:26.239 --> 00:36:27.559
as Star Trek.68400:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.880
Well, if i'm if I'm Scott Bakula, I'm thinking my68500:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.599
looking stars went a different way with their costumes to68600:36:34.639 --> 00:36:36.440
just be like just shoot me from the waist up.68700:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.360
That's all I am say. There's there's a reason why68800:36:39.199 --> 00:36:42.880
they didn't use those uniforms. Again, we're done.68900:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.760
Moving on speaking in the seventies fashion. Are we going69000:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.199
to glance? Right? By the fact that Bones in his69100:36:49.599 --> 00:36:55.400
you know, semi retirement, is not only rocking the beg's.69200:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.159
Look now that's really seventies.69300:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.840
You know, spreading out the uh the red carpet chest69400:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.360
hair for everybody to see. But then he's got the69500:37:05.519 --> 00:37:10.800
Flavor Flav Barry Gibb medallion hanging right down there. And69600:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.079
I know it's the seventies, but damn Bones, really he is.69700:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.880
He is on the dance floor, and then all of69800:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.320
a sudden someone comes up and says, look, you got69900:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.119
a call from some guy Nogura.70000:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.599
Uh, they also talk to you about this little.70100:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.480
Known clause the damn it Jim, Well.70200:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.519
Chuck, I think you just uncovered a possible way that70300:37:32.559 --> 00:37:34.880
they tricked Bones back onto the enterprise. They just did70400:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.519
a Saturday night fever kind of lit up dance floor70500:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.280
and he stepped on the wrong part and it happened70600:37:40.320 --> 00:37:41.599
to be a transporter pad.70700:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.960
There you go back through the damn.70800:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.119
I think one of the one of the close introductions70900:37:47.239 --> 00:37:48.960
is that we have one guy who doesn't want to71000:37:49.000 --> 00:37:50.800
use the transporter. He wants he wants to go last71100:37:50.800 --> 00:37:52.239
you right, knew right away who that was.71200:37:52.360 --> 00:37:54.400
Oh wait, what are you doing right?71300:37:54.559 --> 00:37:54.719
Well?71400:37:54.760 --> 00:37:57.480
And good reason that the most five minutes ago.71500:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.400
Yeah, it's horrific. Yeah that was down the hallway.71600:38:01.679 --> 00:38:04.679
Yeah, frightening is what that was. Yeah, I saw that.71700:38:04.679 --> 00:38:05.559
I wouldn't want to go either.71800:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.800
I read somewhere that they wanted that to be extremely71900:38:09.880 --> 00:38:13.519
horrific and very painful to the to the the people72000:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.159
who were starting to re materialize. But one of the72100:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.280
last things to re materialize was their mouths. So it's72200:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.280
like they're already coming in, they're screaming, they just have72300:38:22.400 --> 00:38:23.679
no mouth to scream with.72400:38:24.599 --> 00:38:29.880
So, yeah, somebody said, if they could have just had72500:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.719
a young Jeff Goldbloom come by with a little Brundle72600:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.119
Fly Industries kind of shirt and just be like, I'm72700:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.760
just gonna look into fixing this. Don't mind me, I'll.72800:38:38.599 --> 00:38:39.159
Be over here.72900:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.199
Oh no, no, no, no.73000:38:43.119 --> 00:38:44.480
Well I'll tell you what I think. We're going to73100:38:44.559 --> 00:38:46.719
take one more break and when we come back, let's73200:38:46.719 --> 00:38:48.800
get a little bit more into the score.73300:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.519
All right, everybody, welcome back, where we continue our discussion73400:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.239
with Star Trek the motion picture. Hey here at a73500:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.840
film at forty five. Well, gentlemen, let's talk about the73600:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.440
one thing that we've kind of hinted at and I73700:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.000
know every one of us is dying to talk about.73800:39:04.639 --> 00:39:09.480
Let's score this film a beautiful music by Jerry Goldsmith,73900:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.960
who we've already mentioned. Quite a few of these themes74000:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.880
get used, reused throughout other series and movies and those74100:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.960
kind of things for a good reason, because he hit74200:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.880
the nail on the head with this score. It is stunning.74300:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.639
He was even nominated for the Academy Award.74400:39:25.480 --> 00:39:26.159
For this one.74500:39:26.840 --> 00:39:30.280
I agree, Wayne, he should have won, and unfortunately he74600:39:30.360 --> 00:39:33.880
did not. But Wayne, chuck, go for it. I know74700:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.079
you both want to dive into this score, So be74800:39:36.559 --> 00:39:37.360
my guest.74900:39:37.480 --> 00:39:39.079
Go ahead, go ahead, Steh David.75000:39:39.119 --> 00:39:41.119
I will be over here on the side.75100:39:41.800 --> 00:39:43.679
Wayne, Well, once you started, and I'll hop in.75200:39:44.480 --> 00:39:48.840
Well, you know, I I just love this score. It's75300:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.360
one of Goldsmith's best. I mean, if I were to75400:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.199
look at you know, top five, this is number two. Yeah,75500:39:55.239 --> 00:39:56.719
it's not quite number one for me, but it is75600:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.000
number two. It's it's very high. This is this is75700:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.639
Goldsmith's empire strikes back, as it was to Williams. You know,75800:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.800
this is the top of his career. Of course, he75900:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.719
was cranking out incredible scores around that time. Anyways, there76000:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.920
were so many good ones, but just the way he76100:40:13.000 --> 00:40:17.800
uses the orchestra, the themes that he creates, the use76200:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.920
of the blaster beam, which was just brilliant. It had76300:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.039
been used in a few other films, but nowhere near76400:40:23.079 --> 00:40:26.320
as as perfect as Goldsmith used it here in this.76500:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.800
I mean, I hear that every time and it gives76600:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.320
me chills because I mean, to me, that's figure. I76700:40:31.519 --> 00:40:35.159
can't hear anything else, but anywhere else it's Veguer. That's76800:40:35.199 --> 00:40:40.159
the sound of that, of that cloud. Every theme on76900:40:40.280 --> 00:40:44.480
this is perfect, every note, you know. And it's not77000:40:44.599 --> 00:40:46.719
surprising that it's perfect because you know, he had a77100:40:46.760 --> 00:40:48.199
lot of time to work on it, and it was77200:40:48.320 --> 00:40:51.679
very frustrating for him, I know, very difficult. There was77300:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.960
a lot of a lot of problems with the recording77400:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.039
of it. He had to he had to go back77500:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.320
and redo it one time, and I'll talk about that77600:40:59.360 --> 00:41:03.039
a little bit later. But you know, there's just it's great.77700:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.039
So what I'm gonna say it's this is it's the77800:41:06.079 --> 00:41:07.000
best part of the film to.77900:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.320
Me, And we get the most amazing klingon theme from78000:41:10.320 --> 00:41:10.920
the Yes.78100:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.880
Which is used over and over again. He defined the78200:41:13.880 --> 00:41:15.679
sound of star Trek of this film. I mean really78300:41:15.719 --> 00:41:19.079
everything after this is goes back to the motion picture78400:41:19.079 --> 00:41:20.360
and his sound that he created.78500:41:20.559 --> 00:41:20.800
Yep.78600:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.679
That's another way that it refines the Cleons, right, like, absolutely,78700:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.800
I'm seeing them with the ridges. Yeah.78800:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.280
The Klingon sequence at the beginning of the film was78900:41:32.360 --> 00:41:36.000
one of the best in terms of you knew now79000:41:36.039 --> 00:41:40.599
that you weren't watching TV, You're watching emotion picture because79100:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.159
they took this race of beings who pretty much look79200:41:44.360 --> 00:41:49.280
like humans for all intentsive purposes, a little swarthier, if79300:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.920
you will, and now they look distinctly alien with with everything.79400:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.320
And I love that on the Klingon Bridge, the commander79500:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.719
sits up at the front and everyone else's behind him,79600:42:01.000 --> 00:42:04.800
and then Jerry Goldsmith's music comes in and it just79700:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.760
it is the theme. I think we even talked about79800:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.719
this in First Contact. I mean, it's it's the theme79900:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.280
for the for the Klingons that defines them for forever.80000:42:14.719 --> 00:42:18.480
Yep, absolutely, yeah, yeah.80100:42:18.480 --> 00:42:22.440
I was gonna say the the the Blasterbeam. Uh, that80200:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.440
was one that I had to go in and look80300:42:24.519 --> 00:42:26.960
up because I I could hear what it was and80400:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.039
I just could not understand when I would listen to80500:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.719
this album, how that sound was made.80600:42:33.239 --> 00:42:34.519
It's an interesting instrument.80700:42:34.960 --> 00:42:39.800
It is, it is incredibly interested and I don't know80800:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.199
if you can help me remember the name of the80900:42:43.159 --> 00:42:49.119
person who inventitives like Huxley, right, Craig Craig. Yeah, and81000:42:49.320 --> 00:42:51.920
he was in uh he played he was as a81100:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.000
child actor. He was on a couple of episodes of81200:42:54.039 --> 00:43:00.519
the original series. Yep, so little connection with with that81300:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.679
as well. Thanks for remembering that first name.81400:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.159
Wasn't he in something else? I know he did. He81500:43:07.199 --> 00:43:11.599
wrote the music that was played during the The Genesis81600:43:11.599 --> 00:43:15.400
Project video for Star Trek two. Oh that electronic music.81700:43:15.440 --> 00:43:16.719
I know he did that, but I swear he did81800:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.519
something else, something else in Star Trek for but I81900:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.280
don't remember now. But yeah, I mean it's it's an82000:43:23.280 --> 00:43:28.079
incredible instrument. It's a huge instrument. It's it's very impressive82100:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.599
to play, and it's still there and he's still playing it,82200:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.800
you know recently in concert versions. He's actually came out,82300:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.360
brought it out and and performed it.82400:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.280
There's it's there are great videos on YouTube to go82500:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.679
and watch to see him play this because it's it's82600:43:43.760 --> 00:43:48.400
it's very difficult to describe, but it is a stringed82700:43:48.440 --> 00:43:53.079
instrument on a metal that gets hammered like like like82800:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.719
slapping guitar strings and it just it just makes that82900:43:58.760 --> 00:44:02.639
immense noise. Yeah, so like at the as you guys83000:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.039
were discussing on lower decks, uh, at the in the83100:44:06.039 --> 00:44:09.320
opening sequence with the Worst Day Ever, when it pulls83200:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.639
out and you see the vedre cloud, Yeah, you hear83300:44:11.679 --> 00:44:13.960
a little bit of a rumble. It would have been83400:44:13.960 --> 00:44:15.239
great to had a full.83500:44:15.000 --> 00:44:16.199
On blaster beam there.83600:44:16.840 --> 00:44:17.480
Yeah.83700:44:17.599 --> 00:44:19.039
Yeah, they should have put that on there. I didn't83800:44:19.039 --> 00:44:19.400
think of that.83900:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.119
I read somewhere that when Robert Wise signed on to84000:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.320
direct this film, Paramount Studio said that if he asked84100:44:26.360 --> 00:44:30.320
him if he had any objections of Jerry Goldsmith scoring84200:44:30.440 --> 00:44:33.039
this and his because he had worked with Jerry Goldsmith84300:44:33.079 --> 00:44:36.480
on The Sand the Sand Pebbles in sixty six score, yeah,84400:44:36.639 --> 00:44:41.559
and he reprobably hell no, He's great, good choice.84500:44:41.880 --> 00:44:45.960
Yes, Roddenberry wanted to use Goldsmith back in the original series,84600:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.519
but it didn't work out with scheduling. So you know,84700:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.440
Camp Motion Picture and Goldsmith was at the top of84800:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.920
his career at that time, so yeah, they had him.84900:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.800
It was no problem. And his score, you know, is85000:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.440
one of the most requested scores. You know, it's been released,85100:45:00.440 --> 00:45:03.519
probably the most of any Star Trek scores of multimates released.85200:45:03.800 --> 00:45:06.559
We released six times over the years, and different various85300:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.400
war versions or forms. You know, there was the original85400:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.400
album and then they came out on CD, and then85500:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.079
there was an extended version for the twentieth anniversary, which85600:45:15.440 --> 00:45:16.960
that I remember when that came out, I was so85700:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.559
glad it came out because of the entire score. My85800:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.840
favorite piece of music was of a Q called the85900:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.559
force Field, which is the third part of the Vedre Flyby,86000:45:26.159 --> 00:45:27.679
and it was not on the original score, and then86100:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.280
we finally got it there. I just love that piece.86200:45:31.159 --> 00:45:34.000
And then in twenty twelve we got the three disc86300:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.360
set from Lalla Land, which is totally complete. Everything is86400:45:38.360 --> 00:45:43.239
in there, including the eight cues that Goldsmith wrote. Well,86500:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.039
he started when he started writing this, he he had86600:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.480
an idea of scoring this as if it was like86700:45:48.519 --> 00:45:53.760
a a seafaring you know movie, something like Ships on86800:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.800
the Ocean, and you know, he went and wrote the86900:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.440
music and then went in and recorded it, and Robert87000:45:59.440 --> 00:46:01.719
Wise didn't like it. He said, no, no, no, that's87100:46:01.760 --> 00:46:03.480
not what I want. I want to march. I want87200:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.400
something that people remember when they come out of the theater,87300:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.360
so we had to go back and restart all or87400:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.639
again redo it again. But those eight pieces of music87500:46:10.719 --> 00:46:16.280
are on this soundtrack. There was a session in November87600:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.400
of seventy nine where they had already scheduled the orchestra87700:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.440
and Goldsmith was due to go in and record score87800:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.719
and he had nothing new because he had no footage.87900:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.679
They had not given him any new footage to record88000:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.000
or to write music for us. So he went back88100:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.840
in and just re recorded everything from the first session.88200:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.320
That's all on this soundtrack, as long as as well88300:46:37.320 --> 00:46:42.440
as the disco version of the theme and some early takes,88400:46:42.519 --> 00:46:44.880
and everything's on there. And then of course there was88500:46:44.920 --> 00:46:48.000
the vinyl release in twenty seventeen, and then they released88600:46:48.000 --> 00:46:51.039
it again in twenty two for the two disc Director's edition.88700:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.320
So I mean, you can tell this, out of all88800:46:53.360 --> 00:46:55.880
the Goldsmith's scores, is the most wanted score. It's been88900:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.679
in print almost its entire what forty five years.89000:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.719
To expand on on on part of the story Wayne89100:47:02.760 --> 00:47:08.119
was telling there when the piece of music that Goldsmith89200:47:08.199 --> 00:47:13.280
had played for the director, and and and and he89300:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.239
did not he did not like it. Goldsmith went back89400:47:16.639 --> 00:47:21.440
and that is where the theme came out of because89500:47:21.480 --> 00:47:26.119
what was missing was a theme and to start to89600:47:26.119 --> 00:47:30.719
glue everything together. And then that became from those those89700:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.599
sessions is where that theme started to derive.89800:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.519
It's it's almost there. You can almost hear that Star Trek,89900:47:37.760 --> 00:47:39.679
but it wants it's not quite Yeah, it wants to90000:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.880
be there, but it's not quite there. And then also90100:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.320
recently this actually came to a surprise. There was a90200:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.920
company that was releasing the print version of the score,90300:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.960
you know, the orchestral papers that and when they were90400:47:53.960 --> 00:47:57.559
doing their research, they found five pieces of music that90500:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.320
Goldsmith had written and was never recorded. He decided not90600:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.519
to use an alternate version of the merge at the90700:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.039
end with Ali and I need to get that. Yeah,90800:48:08.320 --> 00:48:12.119
those were those were actually recorded. Joe Kramer was another90900:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.159
fantastic composer. He did one of the Mission Postle films.91000:48:15.159 --> 00:48:18.320
He also works on Doctor Who. He went and recorded91100:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.760
those five pieces of music, and uh, they're actually available.91200:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.519
They're they're not only any of the motion picture CDs,91300:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.800
but they are available on a set that Lalla Land91400:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.480
brought out called Star Trek the Final Frontier, which is91500:48:30.519 --> 00:48:33.559
a four disc mix of all TV series and stuff91600:48:33.559 --> 00:48:35.000
plus you can find him on YouTube too.91700:48:35.559 --> 00:48:39.519
Also on YouTube, you can find the Sean Cassidy Yeah91800:48:39.760 --> 00:48:43.719
Go version A Star Beyond Time, Yeah, which is the91900:48:43.840 --> 00:48:45.360
love the Iliah love theme.92000:48:46.239 --> 00:48:46.440
Yeah.92100:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.719
The seventies had this, had this thing about doing uh uh.92200:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.239
Well ever since Star Wars and their disco version, assume92300:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.679
that everybody had to do a disco version of course.92400:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.440
Well. One of the interesting things that I saw and92500:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.320
I always watched these things with subtitles just because I've had,92600:49:01.400 --> 00:49:03.199
you know, kids in the house for the longest time,92700:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.559
so I can't help but watch something of subtitles. But92800:49:06.960 --> 00:49:10.719
you know, obviously the the theme caught my attention because92900:49:10.760 --> 00:49:15.679
it's used for Next Generation. But the title of his93000:49:15.800 --> 00:49:18.639
life is a Dream is that right? Now?93100:49:18.719 --> 00:49:20.960
That's for that's for Star Trek five. That was the93200:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.559
title that he came up with that film. Okat believe93300:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.039
it has a special the Ilia's themes called A Star93400:49:27.119 --> 00:49:27.800
Beyond Time.93500:49:28.519 --> 00:49:31.000
So what's interesting is it says in their life is93600:49:31.039 --> 00:49:35.159
a dream place as it's playing that song, and I93700:49:35.199 --> 00:49:36.920
was like, oh, okay, I didn't know I had a name.93800:49:37.000 --> 00:49:37.920
Apparently it doesn't.93900:49:38.840 --> 00:49:40.920
That was yeah, that was something that was he I94000:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.440
know they used that name for Star Trek five. But94100:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.760
maybe they just you know, you know retro, you know,94200:49:47.039 --> 00:49:48.320
named everything that I don't know.94300:49:48.760 --> 00:49:50.800
All right, well, let's move on and let's quote this.94400:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.960
Anybody find any interesting quotes about this movie?94500:49:55.800 --> 00:49:56.000
Yeah?94600:49:56.280 --> 00:49:59.400
I found one. You know, little Nimoy he wrote a94700:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.679
few books about Star Trek. He read a book called94800:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.880
Star Trek Memories, and he briefly talked about the film,94900:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.840
and he said that while it was a finely crafted95000:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.320
film and it did well, but from the actor's point95100:50:11.360 --> 00:50:15.000
of view, frankly, it was frustrating. We didn't feel like95200:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.239
we were getting to play the characters that we enjoyed95300:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.480
playing in the way that we knew how to play them.95400:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.400
And it was frustrating for Gene Roddenberry too. It wasn't95500:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.159
the story or script that he wanted, and the gap95600:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.519
seemed filled with too much emphasis on special effects. I95700:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.000
agree with him, I mean, you know, in what he's saying,95800:50:32.199 --> 00:50:34.320
it had to have been frustrating for them. You know,95900:50:34.360 --> 00:50:36.440
they know their character. Everybody know their characters, you know,96000:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.000
even it it's been ten years since they played them,96100:50:39.280 --> 00:50:41.719
they knew them well, and to have to stick to96200:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.400
a script that they felt that, you know, didn't quite96300:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.239
portray their characters properly. That had to been very frustrating,96400:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.800
you know. On the flip side though, and I was96500:50:52.840 --> 00:50:54.800
going to say this earlier. You know a lot of96600:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.880
people criticize that that all these characters don't seem like96700:50:57.920 --> 00:51:01.719
they're Kirk Spock McCoy. But you know, these are characters96800:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.599
that hadn't seen each other for a while. You know,96900:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.559
it's like going to the school reunion and you're seeing97000:51:07.599 --> 00:51:09.639
these people like ten years later, and you know you're97100:51:09.639 --> 00:51:12.320
going to act weird. You know, you're you're not going97200:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.480
to sure exactly how everyone's gonna act. You're gonna you're97300:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.519
gonna gonna be a little you know, distance from one97400:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.199
another until you get to know them a little better97500:51:19.239 --> 00:51:21.480
and you start talking, and then you start getting back97600:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.159
into and by the end of the film, I feel97700:51:23.159 --> 00:51:25.920
that that's what happened. They got started getting back into97800:51:25.960 --> 00:51:27.039
their characters by the end of.97900:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.280
The It's a good point, it really is. I found98000:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.239
one from James Dohan. He's basically just talking about Star98100:51:33.239 --> 00:51:35.960
Trek in general. He says, I really didn't have to work,98200:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.159
shall we say, with Star Trek. It was a natural98300:51:39.480 --> 00:51:41.440
when they opened my mouth there were Scotti. It's like,98400:51:41.480 --> 00:51:43.440
I tell people, what you see in Scotty isn't ninety98500:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.280
nine percent James Douhan and one percent accent.98600:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.079
I have a quote from Jerry Goldsmith and I pulled98700:51:52.079 --> 00:51:56.719
this one because I may have said this to you98800:51:56.840 --> 00:52:04.360
David an email. I don't know where I stopped loving98900:52:04.480 --> 00:52:08.599
maybe this movie and where the production of this movie,99000:52:08.639 --> 00:52:12.360
how it got made is what I really love the99100:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.159
fact that we even have this movie. It's a miracle.99200:52:17.239 --> 00:52:19.480
It could have gone wrong. I mean, if they would99300:52:19.519 --> 00:52:23.719
have had two more weeks to even test this film99400:52:24.039 --> 00:52:26.239
to see I think we would have had a different99500:52:26.360 --> 00:52:29.599
a different film. But anyways, Jerry Goldsmith have found this99600:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.800
quote from him, and it's a little bit lengthy, but99700:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.320
it's good. He said, I think the picture, for what99800:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.920
it is, is a miracle. I enjoyed the picture. It's99900:52:37.920 --> 00:52:39.599
not a great work of art. I don't know what100000:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.960
picture is. And it's entertaining. A person has to be100100:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.159
into this sort of thing, and like this sort of thing.100200:52:45.519 --> 00:52:46.960
There are people who go to see it four or100300:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.199
five times and they're crazy about it, and there are100400:52:49.199 --> 00:52:51.239
other people who just don't like it. But for what100500:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.760
it is, I mean it is Star Trek, and it's100600:52:53.800 --> 00:52:56.480
an area you either have to like Star Trek or100700:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.639
don't go see this picture. But like I say, I100800:52:59.679 --> 00:53:03.920
think it's a miracle. And Alan Dene Foster even echoed100900:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.880
some of the sentiments when he said, I mean, when101000:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.519
you think about it, it's really a miracle that this picture.101100:53:09.239 --> 00:53:09.960
Got made at all.101200:53:10.800 --> 00:53:12.480
That's rue, you know, with all the problems they had,101300:53:12.519 --> 00:53:14.039
it's amazing that it came out.101400:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.280
Oh, very thankful that it did, because I don't think101500:53:16.320 --> 00:53:18.199
if if it wouldn't have been made, we wouldn't have101600:53:18.239 --> 00:53:21.840
got Wrath of con Oh, nochs Bog anything so well.101700:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.559
And it may not have even had the franchise continuing101800:53:24.599 --> 00:53:25.800
at all, correct.101900:53:27.639 --> 00:53:28.079
Exactly.102000:53:28.199 --> 00:53:30.159
Yeah, I mean if it continued on as phase two,102100:53:30.320 --> 00:53:32.119
say it was made as a television series, it probably102200:53:32.119 --> 00:53:34.880
would have ran two or three it was successful five102300:53:34.920 --> 00:53:36.320
or six years. Yeah, I don't know if it made102400:53:36.400 --> 00:53:38.800
that far. I let's say five years the most four. Yeah,102500:53:39.400 --> 00:53:41.360
but there would be no next generation. I think that102600:53:41.400 --> 00:53:43.559
would have probably been the end of it. I mean102700:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.159
they may have talked about a film, but I don't102800:53:45.159 --> 00:53:46.239
think they would ever made one.102900:53:46.519 --> 00:53:48.719
Yeah. I think the two hour television series was going103000:53:48.760 --> 00:53:50.239
to be called in Thy Image.103100:53:50.320 --> 00:53:51.239
That was the beliefs.103200:53:51.280 --> 00:53:52.119
Yeah, that was the pilot.103300:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.840
Yeah, the script that became the motion picture. Yeah, there103400:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.880
was a great episode two from Phase two that where103500:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.039
had Kirk in a train supporter accident being transported back103600:54:02.079 --> 00:54:05.559
to World War two. P Pearl Harbor. I absolutely love103700:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.679
that script. There's so many great scripts, you know, if103800:54:07.719 --> 00:54:09.920
you look it up, look up Star Trek two, read103900:54:09.960 --> 00:54:11.840
some of the stuff. It's fascinating if you're a Star104000:54:11.880 --> 00:54:13.960
Trek fan. I never heard of it. Look this stuff up.104100:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.760
Yeah, that makes me think of the Final Countdown for104200:54:16.800 --> 00:54:17.239
some reason.104300:54:17.480 --> 00:54:19.440
Yeah, remind me a lot of that too. Yeah.104400:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.400
The there's a book out called Star Trek Phase two104500:54:24.519 --> 00:54:26.960
by Judith and Garfield Reeve Stevens.104600:54:27.039 --> 00:54:27.719
That's a great book.104700:54:27.840 --> 00:54:31.000
Yeah, and it has a lot of scripts from from104800:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.000
the Phase two and and a lot of a lot104900:54:33.039 --> 00:54:36.159
of information about that. And I think that's I think105000:54:36.199 --> 00:54:41.679
the Phase two has been documented so well that for105100:54:41.719 --> 00:54:45.760
anyone who loves Star Trek seek out those books for that.105200:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.119
You look it up, even even looking up information on105300:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.400
the movie that almost was the was it The Planet105400:54:53.400 --> 00:54:57.480
of the Titans, which was going to be directed by105500:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.199
Philip Kaufman who went on to make Invasion of the105600:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.639
Body Snatchers and the right stuff. So there are there105700:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.599
were other attempts that were made, and I think they're105800:55:07.639 --> 00:55:14.280
all interesting in terms of seeing what everyone was working105900:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.880
on in Star Trek between the end of the animated106000:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.920
series up until the motion picture and it was a106100:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.360
long time, from like seventy three all the way up106200:55:23.400 --> 00:55:25.599
to seventy nine it was in motion.106300:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.920
So, yeah, Dave, this sounds like a This sounds like106400:55:29.920 --> 00:55:31.880
a future episode to get Wayne.106500:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.760
I would love to talk about that. I would. I106600:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.440
would absolutely love. Let let's plan that because this will106700:55:38.480 --> 00:55:39.960
be a fascinating subject there.106800:55:39.960 --> 00:55:41.800
Ego listeners, We've got an episode is gonna be coming106900:55:41.800 --> 00:55:45.079
down the road about Phase two for sure. Yeah.107000:55:45.239 --> 00:55:50.599
By the ways, the Phase two enterprise is it's it's107100:55:50.639 --> 00:55:56.239
it's it's the enterprise that wasn't And it's somewhere in107200:55:56.320 --> 00:56:02.000
between the original series enterprise and the motion picture enterprise.107300:56:02.599 --> 00:56:06.079
It's just m and the model which they built. The107400:56:06.159 --> 00:56:10.639
model was used on some of the motion pictures early posters.107500:56:11.199 --> 00:56:13.119
I have one of the posters. It's it's on the107600:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.639
back of the Yeah, that was the same picture. It's107700:56:16.639 --> 00:56:18.880
a little chunky, but I love it. It's it's it's107800:56:18.920 --> 00:56:19.760
gorgeous model.107900:56:19.920 --> 00:56:21.800
I'm curious was it a price purple at all?108000:56:24.039 --> 00:56:24.199
Yet?108100:56:24.280 --> 00:56:29.039
Let's talk about that. That does bring up a good point,108200:56:29.599 --> 00:56:33.280
you know, with lower decks slowing down a bit. They've108300:56:33.480 --> 00:56:37.800
clearly shown that animation works, whether it's taking a comedic108400:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.639
spin or not. Maybe it could have a little bit108500:56:40.679 --> 00:56:43.000
of that to get a broader reach for audiences. But108600:56:43.079 --> 00:56:45.840
if they have all those things as visual references, there's108700:56:45.880 --> 00:56:49.559
nothing to say they couldn't basically animate the Phase two108800:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.119
stories or some of them and you know, catch some108900:56:53.400 --> 00:56:54.119
catch some interest.109000:56:54.679 --> 00:56:58.039
Two of the scripts were made the Next Generation Bomb109100:56:58.280 --> 00:57:00.400
two of the scripts, one for the Child the other109200:57:00.440 --> 00:57:02.639
one for Devil's Do So you know Paramount still has109300:57:02.679 --> 00:57:04.159
those scripts. They could still use them anytime.109400:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.559
Well, you're listening to Paramount, we want them yep. Well,109500:57:07.599 --> 00:57:09.000
I mean, you know that kind of leads us into109600:57:09.039 --> 00:57:11.760
talking about the impact of this film. You guys just109700:57:11.960 --> 00:57:13.599
kind of hint on some of that, Like if this109800:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.199
movie would not have been made, we probably would not109900:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.159
have the Star Trek that we have today, the series110000:57:19.199 --> 00:57:21.039
that we have, the films that we have, and you know,110100:57:21.159 --> 00:57:23.559
it would be completely something different, if anything at all.110200:57:24.400 --> 00:57:27.599
You know, So this film really set up even though110300:57:27.599 --> 00:57:30.159
we already had the TV series, the original TV series,110400:57:30.599 --> 00:57:35.880
this film really set up an entire franchise that just exploded,110500:57:36.280 --> 00:57:38.400
not only on the big screen, but on the small110600:57:38.480 --> 00:57:41.639
screen too with television because we got the next Generation110700:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.760
and that's my love and I'm sure just for all110800:57:44.800 --> 00:57:47.360
of you guys on here, the Next Generation just made110900:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.800
me fall in love with Star Trek and that's my111000:57:50.960 --> 00:57:54.960
OG crew. And you know when I go to conventions,111100:57:54.960 --> 00:57:56.960
that's who I want to hunt down. I want to111200:57:57.079 --> 00:58:00.199
meet them because that's who I grew up with. To111300:58:00.320 --> 00:58:03.000
think that if this film did not happen and I111400:58:03.039 --> 00:58:05.639
would not have gotten now that just that's a scary thought, guys,111500:58:05.840 --> 00:58:06.280
it really is.111600:58:06.400 --> 00:58:06.599
Yeah.111700:58:06.880 --> 00:58:08.679
Well, I mean it speaks to the you've got to111800:58:08.719 --> 00:58:12.719
think of the the makeup of the formula that led111900:58:12.800 --> 00:58:16.719
to this even being seen as a success, because you know,112000:58:16.840 --> 00:58:20.199
it wasn't a perfect movie, it didn't have perfect returns.112100:58:20.320 --> 00:58:22.519
But I think a fair amount of that was people112200:58:22.559 --> 00:58:26.320
that already had love for the franchise and possibly saw112300:58:26.360 --> 00:58:28.920
an opportunity to introduce somebody else to it and kind112400:58:28.920 --> 00:58:32.159
of pass that on. So you know, to the fan112500:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.039
base out there that's continuing to keep this kind of112600:58:35.039 --> 00:58:38.400
stuff going. It makes a difference because I think this is,112700:58:38.599 --> 00:58:43.280
you know, similar with Star Wars. You have different iterations112800:58:43.320 --> 00:58:46.800
that reach a different generation in different ways, and Prodigy112900:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.199
is a great example of that. Strange New Worlds and113000:58:50.360 --> 00:58:53.079
Lower X or other you know, examples of how those113100:58:53.079 --> 00:58:55.280
things can be future iterations. But there's a place for113200:58:55.400 --> 00:58:57.840
it to continue, and I think this speaks to that113300:58:58.000 --> 00:58:58.280
a lot.113400:58:58.480 --> 00:59:01.039
All right, So, gentlemen, words, everybody to see the set.113500:59:01.119 --> 00:59:03.079
I obviously have it on DVD and Blu ray. So113600:59:03.679 --> 00:59:04.719
where'd you guys catch it at?113700:59:05.159 --> 00:59:05.239
Uh?113800:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.400
For me, it was paramount plus. Whenever I'm looking for113900:59:07.480 --> 00:59:08.480
Star Trek, that's where I start.114000:59:09.039 --> 00:59:12.000
Good place to go, Chuck. I have copies.114100:59:13.760 --> 00:59:17.800
I have the the the Director's Edition. It was like114200:59:17.880 --> 00:59:20.920
the Complete Adventure, which which has uh, you know, the114300:59:21.199 --> 00:59:24.480
the original. It has all the ones that I described earlier,114400:59:24.719 --> 00:59:30.519
uh in it. What's interesting with the special Longer Version SLV,114500:59:30.679 --> 00:59:34.039
which Wayne saw as it was his first, is that,114600:59:34.639 --> 00:59:36.960
uh they actually went in in that one scene where114700:59:37.039 --> 00:59:39.960
Kircas coming out, they completed the special effect for that114800:59:40.119 --> 00:59:42.239
so that you're you're able to see it and not114900:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.320
pull you out. But if you so desired to see115000:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.400
it as it was, you know you can.115100:59:47.639 --> 00:59:49.480
You can see that when you can't miss it. Even115200:59:49.519 --> 00:59:50.880
when I saw the for the first time back in115300:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.960
eighty eight, I saw the rafters. It's it's it. You115400:59:54.039 --> 00:59:56.679
can't miss that. But that's how I saw it. I115500:59:56.760 --> 00:59:58.719
saw the same way. I've got the same edition that115600:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.239
you've got because I love this film, and I have115701:00:01.599 --> 01:00:03.440
more copies of this than probably get of the film.115801:00:03.480 --> 01:00:05.719
I have that that's out there, but yep, that's where115901:00:05.719 --> 01:00:07.320
I watched it from Nixcellent.116001:00:07.880 --> 01:00:09.960
Well, Willyne Chuck, thank you so much for joining us116101:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.639
for here at a film at forty five slash phasers116201:00:12.679 --> 01:00:13.119
at the time.116301:00:13.760 --> 01:00:14.239
Yeah, thank you.116401:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.639
You know, Chuck, I know you've got a new podcast,116501:00:17.800 --> 01:00:19.079
is that right? Can you tell us a little bit116601:00:19.119 --> 01:00:19.360
about it?116701:00:20.079 --> 01:00:24.079
Absolutely? Thank you for bringing that up. It's called Cinematic Flashback,116801:00:24.480 --> 01:00:28.360
and we focus on films of the seventies and my116901:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.880
friend Matt and I we are we've gone back and117001:00:32.239 --> 01:00:36.440
looked at The French Connection, which is a classic film117101:00:36.760 --> 01:00:43.280
in terms of how police procedural and dramas started to117201:00:43.960 --> 01:00:47.639
change from the sixties and into the more gritty seventies,117301:00:48.480 --> 01:00:50.840
and then we covered a film that was new to me,117401:00:50.920 --> 01:00:53.840
and this is why I like my friend Matt Is.117501:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.519
He introduced me to a film called Breaking Away, which117601:00:56.719 --> 01:01:00.599
came out in seventy nine. It won the Adamy Ward117701:01:00.800 --> 01:01:06.039
for screenplay that was written for the screen not an117801:01:06.159 --> 01:01:11.440
adaptation by Steve Tessig. And really enjoyed that film. And117901:01:11.719 --> 01:01:14.400
I'm just realizing now that Star Trek Commotion picture is118001:01:14.440 --> 01:01:17.000
in the seventies, so I have to wait some time118101:01:17.239 --> 01:01:20.719
before we can cover that one. But I might see118201:01:20.719 --> 01:01:21.920
if I can get you guys and we can re118301:01:22.039 --> 01:01:22.880
talk about it again.118401:01:23.199 --> 01:01:27.159
Sure, that'd be great. You don't have to tell us118501:01:27.199 --> 01:01:29.239
twice to go do that because we love Star Trek118601:01:29.280 --> 01:01:29.559
as you know.118701:01:29.679 --> 01:01:31.440
Absolutely no, but yeah, thank you.118801:01:31.559 --> 01:01:31.760
Yeah.118901:01:31.800 --> 01:01:35.559
So Cinematic Flashback dot Com. We are on Spotify all119001:01:35.639 --> 01:01:39.519
the streaming platforms and you can get us also at119101:01:40.519 --> 01:01:42.679
Cinematic Flashback dot com as well.119201:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.159
Excellent. All right, well, listeners, go go check that out.119301:01:45.880 --> 01:01:48.519
That sounds like a fantastic idea, so you know, go119401:01:48.559 --> 01:01:50.199
out there and listen to what he has to offer119501:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.760
on that podcast. As always, I want to thank our119601:01:52.800 --> 01:01:54.800
listeners and hope you are excited as much. We don't119701:01:54.840 --> 01:01:57.679
have very much left of nineteen seventy nine. We've got119801:01:57.800 --> 01:02:00.519
a one more film to cover in the that's the119901:02:00.599 --> 01:02:04.239
black Hole, which is coming up. That's gonna be the120001:02:04.320 --> 01:02:08.239
one to end us for nineteen seventy nine, and we're120101:02:08.239 --> 01:02:11.360
gonna be doing that with Dayton from Dockingbay seventy seven.120201:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.480
So we are looking forward to tackling that one and120301:02:14.840 --> 01:02:17.119
having listening to us talk about it. All right, So120401:02:17.159 --> 01:02:18.440
if you want to reach us, you can find us120501:02:18.440 --> 01:02:22.119
at www dot film podcast dot com. You can write120601:02:22.159 --> 01:02:24.480
to us at a film by Podcast at gmail dot com.120701:02:24.920 --> 01:02:28.360
You can also find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x.120801:02:28.559 --> 01:02:31.159
Until our film reels start rolling again, go out watch120901:02:31.320 --> 01:02:34.199
something new, watch something different, and who knows what you121001:02:34.280 --> 01:02:36.280
will discover next. Thanks everyone,
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