A Film at 45 - Superman with Special Guest Aaron Smolinski

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Hi everyone. This Valerie Bryan.
I'm bleat Eve Kiff fucker in Superman.

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If it'sout luck and old, We're
handful. Wait till David at Scott take

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you up, up and away.
Valerie. Wow, what an honor.

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Thank you so much for kicking us
off. It's amazing to hear from the

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original, the one and only Miss
Tess Macker introducing us, setting us up

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for one of the most iconic movies
of this decade, and a movie that

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we've been looking forward to since we
started this series. Right Dave, Yeah,

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I mean Scott. I've got chills
just having her introduced us like that.

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And yes, this is a very
special episode. Hello everyone, and

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welcome back to the year nineteen seventy
eight in a Film by Limited Series,

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A Film at forty five. I
am David Burns and I'm Scott Hoffman.

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Welcome you back as we dust off
the end of a decade that changed cinema

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forever with a fresh look at modern
classics and a hidden gems that we can't

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stop watching. In today's episode,
we're talking about a milestone in cinematic history,

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American mythology, and the superhero genre
we know it today. The one

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and only Superman, whom I only
you are the only survivor of the planet

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equipped. Even though you've been raised
as a human being, you are not

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one of them. Why are you
here? There must be a reason for

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you to be here. Yes,
I'm here to find for truth and justice

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in the American way. It's the
country. It's safe again, Superman.

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Thanks to you. No third,
don't thank me, Warden. We're all

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part of the same team. We
have a very special episode today. Not

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only are we talking about a film
that made us believe in Man could fly

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and is, in my opinion,
the greatest superhero movie ever made to define

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an entire genre. Release December fifteenth, nineteen seventy eight, with a budget

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around fifty five million dollars, it
would end up earning a little over three

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hundred million worldwide during its run.
This was the second highest coursing film of

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nineteen seventy eight, behind Greece.
Scott. I would hope everyone has or

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knows this film, But there are
a lot of younger people who have grown

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up with the recent Marvel film.
So how would you describe this classic film

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that started at all? So this
is a movie that made superhero movies possible

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because it's always been more than a
superhero movie. It taps into what those

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characters are created to do, inspired
greatness in others. From a futuristic civilization

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where one family ends to the farms
of Kansas, where another family begins.

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We see what inspires Clark to become
the hero so many others would follow.

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We see how the world reacts to
meeting Superman for the first time. Then

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we see him push his powers to
the limit to stop the greatest criminal Flame

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of our age, Lex Luthor.
This is a musty, a movie that

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redefinds what it means to be a
hero for every generation that follows. This

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is the original Superman. But to
make it extra special, we have with

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us a wonderful guest. You may
remember him as the young Kalel and the

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iconic shot lifting the truck up to
save Jonathan Kent from certain death. He

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has credits in Superman two, Superman
three, Man of Steel, Wish Master

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three. Just to name if you
joining us is the very talented Aaron Smolinsky.

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Aaron, welcome to the podcast.
Well, thanks, guys, I

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appreciate it, but I gotta tell
you that's a lot of pressure to live

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up to that introduction. Oh no, no, no, you've got trust

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me. Thanks for having me,
guys, this is that this is truly

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a pleasure. You know, anytime
I get to speak about Superman, it's

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it's really an honor and I enjoy
it. And you know, no questions

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are off the table as far as
I'm concerned. So okay, right,

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we'll good. Well, we are
started to have you join us. When

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we set out to discuss these films
that are celebrating their forty fifth anniversaries,

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we had our eyes set on a
few of them in particular. Of course,

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this was one of them. Yeah, oh, this is the top

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of the list for me, Aaron. We're honored to heavy with us,

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not just as somebody who can give
us that inside perspective to our listeners,

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but as somebody who literally grew up
with this, our incarnation of Superman.

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And I'm just so glad you had
such a great role in each one of

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them. I would say you made
a tremendous impact. You might you might

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not agree. I would hope you
would, but you made a tremendous impact

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with your first role. And I'd
just like to know a little bit more

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about how that came to be how
did you get your starting film? So

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yeah, thank you very much.
You know, it's it's it's something to

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hear what an impact that that you
know, scene had on so many people.

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So I appreciate that. How I
got my start literally it was just,

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you know, I'm from Calgary.
We're hanging out and there was a

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radio ad that they were doing this
open casting call for this big movie that

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was to be filming in Calgary.
And so my aunt called my mom and

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said, you know, they're looking
for kids three and six and nine and

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twelve. So I have an older
brother, um, three years older.

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So my mom got us washed up, brought us down there, and the

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rest, as I say, is
history. It turned out that I ended

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up looking like Chris did at that
age. Um, so just off the

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pictures and that and the look I
got. I made a pass a cast

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and director to you know, to
the producers and then and and to Dick

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Donner. And my brother was actually
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olds as well. That's fantastic.
So they actually cast three of baby Clark

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Kent's. I was second choice and
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didn't didn't work, you know,
for whatever reason. It was just you

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know, you're three, so there's
lots of variables that go along with that,

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and I was just kind of open
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you know, took direction well,
and so that's kind of how it came

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about. Yeah, we clearly know
you're the number one. So yeah,

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it always always as me to hear
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Yeah, the acting that you do, like the it's a it's a scene

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that is very important and there's so
many nuances that you do so well.

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So the fact that you were only
three when you did it and you can

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remember things about it so well is
fascinating. Yeah, it's it's I do

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remember so much and people are often
you know, taken back by that.

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But you know, I credit that
and the performance, you know, to

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my of course incredible acting ability,
of course exactly, but to Dick's honor.

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You know, it wasn't Dick didn't
say this is what you're going to

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do. Dick would say what would
you do if this was to happen?

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And that's how he was able to
get the natural reactions out of me and

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for me to just feel natural just
to do, you know, to do

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things like that hug where I give
you know, Mo Canada, big hug

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around her neck. That wasn't scripted, you know, that just kind of

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came out of how I feel.
Um, you know, I I remember

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there's a blooper everybody's seen in her
line of you know, he doesn't have

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any family, not around here anyway, came about because every time she would

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say he doesn't have any family,
and I remember this so vividly, which

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is really weird. I remember feeling
guilty her saying that because my parents were

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four feet away and I didn't know
my parents, feeling bad that, you

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know that I didn't think they were
my family. So I would say she'd

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said he doesn't have any family,
and I look at her and say,

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yeah I do. Oh, yeah, that's so good. And then so

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after a few takes, it was
finally and Glenn Ford was getting a little

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ticked off. It was like,
not around here anyway, so okay,

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but it's all, you know,
it was all Dick, And there's a

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there's a shot of Dick kind of
just sitting back leaning on the hill as

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I'm in the kind of the capsule
and he's just talking to me. And

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again it was you just landed.
You know, you're in this strange place.

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How would you feel? What would
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how it just came about as natural. And I was you know, I

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was a kind of a not precocious, but you know I kind of would

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do any thing, and I like
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um, so it was easy for
that to kind of come out and that.

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But that's really what, you know, how the natural you know,

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reactions and stuff came out was just
their dick talking. Well you can definitely

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see that in the film and just
how you have that natural ability performing there

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with Glen Forward and Phillis faxter Um. So you know, kudos to you

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for that, for being so young
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of a performance. So, you
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Thanks. Yeah, you know I
remember the hug. I remember just looking

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at her and she's just she was
just such a sweet sweet ladies. She's

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like my grandma, and I just
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Yeah, that was a great touch. Yeah, it did seem so natural,

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like that's the thing. There was
so much of it that just seemed

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like you were just making a genuine
connection with these two people that you that

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your character had never seen before.
Yeah. Yeah, and it was because

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it was it was there, and
I think, like I said, it

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was, it was it was Dick
instilling the permission to just be, you

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know, as opposed to have to
do this right. Well, you know,

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speaking of the Cans, you know, the upbringing of the cancer is

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what made Clark and Superman so strong. You know, they provided him the

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skills needed to be a caring,
good, decent human being. You know,

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we all know Superman is strong,
we all know he has these superpowers,

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but as the knts who truly made
him who he is, would you

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both agree with that? Oh?
You know absolutely? And I think that

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goes to say and in quote unquote
regular life as well, you know,

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what we're taught and what we're we're
told to believe is kind of what forms

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us. And it was beyond the
powers and all that that he had.

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That wasn't what they you know what, that wasn't what the KNTS raised Clark

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as. It wasn't you're the superhuman
person because you have these powers. You're

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the superhuman person because that's what the
right thing is to do, and you

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use these benefits that you have to
create good and do good. And that

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was, you know, really instilled
and that's I think that's what people are

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so fascinated and so touched by Superman
character, is just that honest goodness of

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really wanting I did this, you
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I did this fan film recently called
Superman Solar. I actually play Lex.

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But there's a line in there where
Lois says to Clark, Superman,

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you know, nobody asked you to
do this, and his rebuttal was nobody

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asked me not to. And that
to me sums up Superman and Clark.

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Yeah. Well, and that's one
of the great things about this movie is

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that it spends so much time on
those formed of years we don't often well,

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up to this point, we hadn't
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It was always, you know,
that Clark was the alter ego,

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and this is where we really really
got that. And I love the fact

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that I had that impression on so
much of what followed that. There was

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so many, so many features that
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I really appreciate how this movie kind
of set the bar for that. Yeah,

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I think it was you know,
people like you said the alter ego

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was Clark, but I really think
the alter ego was Superman. He was

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Clark. Yeah, that's who he
was, and Superman enabled him to be

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good and do good right well,
and when you appear you, I mean

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you're so he's raised in the ship. He has the dialogue kind of going

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from from Joel, but he really
kind of knows himself first as Clark,

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and I think that stays with and
that's so important to this character and something

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that everybody follows, which I'm very
glad to see. Yeah, and I

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think again, you know, rest
in peace, Dick. But I think

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the whole mean lifting the truck was
set the precedence of who Clark was,

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because that smile when I lift the
truck and I'm smiling is simply I'm just

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helping. I don't know you,
but I enjoyed. This is what I

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meant born to do and meant to
do, you know, And that was

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you know, Dick shot that specifically, and you know, there were days

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that we didn't film because the lighting
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same basial expressions, the same you
know, emotions, of a scene because

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but that set it up to who
Clark really was? Yeah, good stuff.

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How many times did you end up
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it feel like superhuman? Did?
Half? Yeah? It did? But

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I you know, I remember telling
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days work. That was a hard
and that The funny thing too, was

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it was you know, they were
going to lower it a little bit,

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right, but I kind of just
got under there and just went on my

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tippy toes and they were like,
perfect, let's go. Um. But

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you know, I knew that there
was a you know, there was a

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crane that was holding it up and
all that and and stuff, but you

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know, it was still kind of
still really cool. I did, you

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know, I did feel superhuman,
not that I was listening to the truck,

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but that I was pretty cool because
all these people were around me,

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and you know absolutely, you know
what I mean, that's scene is iconic

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in the in the movie. And
you know when you were going through school

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and stuff like that, did you
use that to talk to your friends and

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stuff like that that Hey, you
know, I was Khalel, I was

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Clark. You know, you know
it's even people would think so um,

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there's a funny joke. And I
don't know what this this shows rated,

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but I'll tell you this joke in
a bit, right. Um. It

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was actually a bane of my existence
growing up as a kid because I was

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naked in it, right, so
kids a lot of kids made fun of

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me. But because of it and
all that sort of stuff, and I

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never which is really interesting. It's
a Clark esque um personality trait I have.

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I never talked about it. You
know, even to this day,

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the only way people know that I
was in Superman is if somebody else tells

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them, mum, because to me, it's it was just a job.

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It was just a movie. But
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I did help in my dating scene, you know, especially, I'd tell

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all the ladies and look, he
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That's one of the That's one of
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that humility. You know, with
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never um trying to to soak up
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He's just a genuinely good guy that
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people on the planet right, and
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Embarrassed is not the right word,
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he had. You know, he
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he loves it because he can help, but he doesn't want to be known

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as just that, right, you
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it's interesting. We'll probably get into
it later. But when I met Henry

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cavill on Man of Steal and I
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same feeling that I got when I
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three for the first time. It
was just this really warm, caring,

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just kind you know when you meet
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both from both of them, it
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know, because they told him that, you know, I was the kid

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and blah blah blah. And I
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him, I said, you must
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goes, I do, but I
am you know, I want to honor

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Chris so much that I don't want
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ever going to copycat so, but
I really want to honor how he brought

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in Clark and Superman, but then
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He says, I think that's the
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he just was just a great,
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and and Chris was as well.
There's you know, I tell this story

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a lot, but it impacted me
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as an actor. Well, on
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Chris sat in the tent and had
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me uh, you know, the
the all the extras. Wow, he

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didn't he didn't go into his trailer
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He was just you know. And
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huge, right yeah, yeah,
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of sit and hang. That just
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Reeve right there, you know.
And Richard Donnard even says that the Superman

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would not have been what it was
without Christopher Reeve. And there's there's no

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doubt about that. I mean,
he's always going to be my favorite.

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Henrik Valdi did a fantastic job and
you know, I'm glad to hear that

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story that you said that you know, he was just putting a spin on

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his own. There's no way he
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No. Yeah, there's just there's
just no way. Well, and

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there was always that genuine sincerity with
with Chris, with his his performance.

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He he didn't take this on as
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a superhero movie. There was a
genuine sincerity and everything that he was doing.

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Yeah. And even in that scene
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three, Um, you know,
it's this, it's this genuine connection.

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He's not condescending or anything. Um. And I think at one point he

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kind of he kind of puts his
hand on your head, right, Yeah,

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he puts his hand on my head
and like kind of you know,

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rubs it and not in like like
I'll get out of here your little kid

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kind of way, you know.
But it was a very like warm,

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hey bud type of type of thing. Yeah. And I noticed he did

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that with a lot of um kids
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the things I saw in kind of
the latest showing when I was watching it

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with my ten year old son in
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thing when he's sending Kalle off on
the ship. One of the last things

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he does put his hand on his
head. So there's a subtle kind of

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you know, there's a legacy kind
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carries on, which is another thing
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is that is that aspect of legacy. It's what he's carrying on from his

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parents on Krypton, what he's carrying
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know, you see him passing that
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because he knows what he knows what
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you know, and he knew I
mean I don't think he knew how huge

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it was going to be, but
he knew the impact it could have on

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kids. You know that we're watching
it in their future and how they grew

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up. I mean, let's let's
let's look at this movie. I don't

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know of another movie, I mean, maybe one or two that multiple generations

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can watch and enjoy. Yeah,
and it's and it's safe or you don't

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have to cover kids eyes or their
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um, and it's touches people today
these days. That's one of my

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favorite things about doing the conventions is
meeting all the fans and hearing their stories

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about this was the first movie I
saw with my dad brought us closer together,

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or the first movie I saw with
my parents, and it's still you

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know, it formed who I was
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human. I mean that's pretty incredible
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this is what started the entire genre. I mean, it really did.

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Everyone tries to live up to be
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can do it or where every other
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speaks volume right there. Yeah.
Well, and it knew that it had

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the responsibility of not only kind of
making this character more accessible to every generation

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because it had been a run for
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but also kind of defying what people
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movie. This didn't get into camp. There were funny moments, absolutely,

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but never anything that was kind of
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like it was trying to be anything
less than a sincere approach to telling this

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story. And that's kind of the
reasons I think it hits and what say,

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yeah, and that's a Chris and
Addict thing. I mean, don't

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forget um, when christ Chris was
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hundred and fifty pounds, it wasn't
he wasn't big. But Dick saw him

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and said that's Clark and that was
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You know, they didn't go for
the guy that was already you know,

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jacked and it was going it could
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thing. They really went with the
humanality and the human element to the character

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rather than the superhero you know theme. Yeah, absolutely, and it works

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and it works well. Sure.
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a little bit about Christopher Reeve,
but Um in the film used the honor

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pat trying Clark kent for the first
any thoughts on the performance of by Feast

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and Christopher Reeves, Clark I thought, yeah, I think I think Jeff,

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you know, I think Jeff did
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I thought it was fantastic and I
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me, he really captured the the
inner struggle that he was having of what

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what do I do with all this
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which I thought was great. And
he also I think captured the the you

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know, the Chris ask, the
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Excellent. Yeah, I think,
um, he helped to build on

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so much of that kind of responsibility
he felt as a son. You know,

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He's got that great line about all
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him. That one still gets me
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and you see his you know,
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um, that moment when he's leaving
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her much information besides him going north. But they're just that sincerity in in

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the way that he brought Clark forward, I think was just fantastic and something

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we see that in Chris's performance.
But there's also that that comic side to

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him, that humorous side that he
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like this, you know, winking
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I don't know, I think it's
it's crisp, comedic timing, which for

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this when you don't necessarily expect,
but he hits it really really well.

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a classically trained actor as well.
So, I mean, he he's

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great. And it never came across
campy because I think Chris really he didn't.

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I mean later on maybe, but
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either, you know, and so
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that that allowed him to be natural
and free and have those campy those the

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comedic timing moments without it being campy
or looking like it was forced or you

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know, okay, now you want
to get a laugh here. It just

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was kind of like, you know, that's Chris, Yeah, just hit

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really naturally. Yeah. Um.
And I think sometimes he was surprised by

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it at times. I think there's
a lot of reactions where he sits up

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it's like, oh, you know, exactly, yeah, and it's natural.

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It just fits. Yeah. So
we talked a little bit earlier about

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kind of a sense of legacy in
this film, and you know, speaking

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of like Clark growing up through all
those kind of years as a father.

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Nowadays, do you feel like you
have a stronger connection to to Jonathan or

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to Joel's character. Oh, absolutely, especially the sacrifice that you make as

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a father for the betterment of your
child, for the Drell character, and

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then for the Jonathan character. Um, really about teaching just to be kind

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and just to be a good a
good person and not you know, um,

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so I do you know, um
feel that you know that the connection

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now, especially and that scene where
you're talking about or all the powers and

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I couldn't even you know, save
them. Um, that's kind of the

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relationship that I want to build with
my my kids. Yeah, having that

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real closeness where you do anything.
Yeah, Yeah, that's absolutely that's all

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you can hope for, right that
you taught them well and they're they're getting

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into the world and going to make
a good difference in it. Yeah.

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And it's you know, it's it's
the big thing is I don't care like

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my son's a hockey player, my
daughter is a competitive tier out. I

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don't care how well you do,
how many goals you score, how well

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you do if you're not a good
sport or you don't treat somebody else kindly,

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then all that all those accolades,
all those superpowers, mean nothing.

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Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I
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said Aaron. This movie was originally
promoted by focusing on two of its featured

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Austar winning stars, Gene Hackman and
Marlon Brando. Let's talk about Gene Hackman

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as Lex Luthor. This guy was
intelligent, witty, and he had a

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plan that will reshape the entire West
Coast using only three people. You know.

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He doesn't have this big army like
you see a lot of villains and

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stuff today. You know, he's
a true mastermind, right, Yeah,

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So Aaron is somebody who has played
Lex, you know, absolutely, I

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think Jean's performance set the bar for
somebody that followed. What kind of things

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did you pick up from from Gene
for your portrayal of Lex? You know,

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I've actually studied his portrayal of Lex
for other movies I did where I

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played like a bad character. And
the thing I love about it is it's

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not that typical. You know.
Yeah, bad guy is just he's really

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not a bad guy. He just
has a bad plan, right you know,

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and so he's like, I want
to kill everything he has this plan.

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It's a bad plan, you know, And so that's where it comes

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from, and that's where the evilness
kind of comes from because he doesn't understand.

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Really, I don't think that he's
this bad, horrible person, right,

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he just thinks people don't like him
and that he doesn't understand why.

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Because this is a brilliant plan that
he's got. So it was. It

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was fantastic because he was and this
is what you always need in any protagonist

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antagonist character. You need likability.
And let's be honest, Lex was likable.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah, very
charismatic, very charismatic, very likable.

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At times you go, oh yeah, I get wait, why am

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I saying that? But you know, you know, and that's how he

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you know, you can get things
done, and that's how he got miss

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Tesmar. Yeah, and you know
kind of I think at times even Clark

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was like, I kind of like
this guy, but I got to stop

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this this plan. Yep. Yeah, and you you hit you hit it

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there. Your villain needs to be
written as strong as your hero otherwise you're

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not going to care about your your
villain at all at all, you know.

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So, and Gene Hackman just pulled
it off extremely well in that role.

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And you're right, you he had
a bad plan, but Okay,

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I kind of get it. Yeah, And Aaron mentions that delivery of that

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line by Gene Hackman, that Miss
Testmoker every time he yells it. It

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is one of my favorite lines in
the movie. And we've got to talk

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about her. We've got to talk
about the unmistakable genius of Valerie Perryne as

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Miss eve testmocher um as the as
part of Lex's gang, but so much

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more. She's somebody who saved Superman
literally and who broke lets out of jail

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and Superman too, they'd both be
cooked if it wasn't for her, Yes,

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exactly. So uh we were.
We were honored to have her as

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part of a film by a podcast
and Jeff and Brad had a chance to

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talk to Stacy Souther about the Valerie
documentary, which talks about her career including

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Superman. But she's been in so
much more, um and she's she's an

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amazing woman. If you haven't had
the chance, take a look at the

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documentary. But Dave, you know, let's talk about Miss test Mocker and

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what she did for this movie.
Oh man, not not to mention what

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a beautiful actress she was. Annie
is Yeah, um, just what she

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brought to this. I mean,
she gets caught up with the wrong guys,

409
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:52.160
right, you know, and and
just fortunately for her, you know,

410
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:55.200
Superman comes along, and you know, she's caught up with a choice

411
00:28:55.240 --> 00:29:00.680
to make here, Um does she
let Superman go to save her mom because

412
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.079
one of the missiles was heading that
direction? Or does she side with um

413
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:08.279
Lex Luthor? She makes the right
decision, And I think she was perfect

414
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.839
for this rule. Yeah. I
love the fact that her character keeps Lex

415
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:18.759
in check. He I mean Otis
is Otis is always kind of like stumbling

416
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.920
to try to get his approval right, and always kind of the punching bag

417
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:29.559
for Lex. But Eve Eve goes
toe to toe with Lex the whole time,

418
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.519
and a very genuine performance, like
you can tell that she really cares

419
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.759
about her mom and it's not like, you know, feelings of regret or

420
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.039
anything else like that, but just
this genuine just please save my mom,

421
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.680
and I know that you'll do it
because you never lie. I don't think

422
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:51.400
we got would have gotten that from
any other actress. And I think that

423
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:57.359
her performance really sets the bar for
women in league with Lex. You know,

424
00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:03.880
we get Mercy, one of the
characters that comes up in the animated

425
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:06.599
series, and you know, we
see a lot of you know, his

426
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:10.519
his right hand woman, um in
a lot of other features. I absolutely

427
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:14.680
think that without Valerie, we wouldn't
have that in the in the Lex character

428
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:18.039
today, right right, Yeah,
Yeah, Well, and he's not you

429
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:19.440
know, like you said, he's
not twirling a mustache in a purple and

430
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:25.279
green jumpsuit. He's not you know, creating a death rate to you know,

431
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:30.519
to destroy the world or something like
that. He genuinely thinks that there's

432
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:34.480
that there's value in his plan.
And I think some of the best written

433
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:40.480
villains are the ones who are convinced
that they're right, that they're not you

434
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:45.079
know, evil and nefarious, that
they've got some kind of purpose that they're

435
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:52.240
fulfilling. And that's that's that's so
dangerous, so compelling in a villain.

436
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.039
And I think that's one of the
things that Gene helped to kind of involve

437
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.880
this character. Yeah, I mean, and I think it was very similar

438
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:03.759
with you know, Heath Ledger with
the Joker. Yes, you know,

439
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.160
he really had something that he really
believed it. He wasn't just being a

440
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.079
crazy joker, you know, and
he had a purpose and and Lex didn't

441
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:18.119
I don't think Lex didn't dislike Clark
and Superman. He was Superman was just

442
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.880
in his way. Like any good
guy, you've got somebody that's in your

443
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.519
way, you got to figure out
a way to move that, you know.

444
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:27.640
Um, And it was the same
thing. And so when I played

445
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:34.359
Lex, I took you know,
a lot of what I felt the objective

446
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.680
of Gene Hackman wasn't in portraying Lex
and put that into mind. And then

447
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.559
I also combined, um, you
know a little bit of Jesse Eisenberg,

448
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:48.440
who no offense. I wasn't a
huge fan of that Lex performance because to

449
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.799
me, that was more of the
just a crazy but didn't really have a

450
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.839
purpose. I found myself being like, Okay, well, why is he

451
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:59.880
so why is he so crazy?
What's the what's his purpose? What's his

452
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.960
objective here? And then you lose
interest and you kind of go whereas you

453
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.680
know, I think Gene and even
Michael Rosenbaum a little bit, they were

454
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.000
they always kept you kind of going
about, Okay, what's he gonna do

455
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:13.720
next? I see you know,
and I think you're right. I think

456
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:19.000
you're the villain has to be stronger
than the hero because people naturally gravitate to

457
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.079
the hero and want to hate the
villain. But when you can get and

458
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:25.319
this is what Jean did, when
you can get an audience confused about who

459
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.319
to root for for even a split
second, you're going to have a huge

460
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:36.799
success. Yeah. Well, some
of my favorite Lex Luthor's, you know,

461
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.920
said from Gene Hackman, you've got
Clancy Brown in the animated series,

462
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:45.960
you've got Michael Rosenbaum, and then
with John Glover being his father, it's

463
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:50.680
that aspect of Lex saying I don't
have to be stronger than you because I

464
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.279
can outsmart you and there's nothing you
can do about it. All of these

465
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.640
powers and it just kind of reduces
them, and that's intimidating. I mean,

466
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.599
there was a scene, uh you
mentioned that that great kind of delivery

467
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.359
of that miss Tess Bocker. Every
time he yells it, the first time

468
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.880
he says it in front of Chris, Chris jumps a little bit and reacts

469
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:15.160
ever so slightly. And that's one
of the great nuances about this Lex and

470
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:19.240
absolutely paved the way over all of
them to follow. Absolutely, And I

471
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.240
love the fact that you got to
play Lex. That is so fascinating that

472
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.680
it was. Yeah, it was
it was. It was a lot of

473
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.440
fun. Um it's a great little
fan fan film as well. It's really

474
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.640
really well done. It's gonna be
fun. But now I can say I'm

475
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:36.599
the only actor to play Clark Kent
and Lex Luthor. That's right. Hey,

476
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:40.480
that's a good point doing both sides. Then wait a second, does

477
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:46.960
this mean that you have been in
more Superman features than anybody else? Yeah?

478
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.519
Yes, technically, I don't know
if this fan one counts, but

479
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.759
even before that, Um, I
was one of the I think it was

480
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:59.559
me and I want to say Margo
maybe, um because Superman there were two

481
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:04.799
Superman twos, so that right at
twice, so it was Superman to the

482
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.440
Donner cut, Superman three, Man
of Steel, so there's five and then

483
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:14.639
Superman Solar now would be six for
Superman. You know films. That's fantastic.

484
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.599
Now you win, we'll give it
to you. Yeah. I'm like,

485
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:21.119
I'm like, where's Waldo in that
puzzle? Yeah, he's just popping

486
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.559
up everywhere. Well, just the
nature of the fact that you were both

487
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:28.960
Clark and Lex, I mean,
come on, you gotta admit that probably

488
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.400
counts at least two or three times
each. Yeah, I think so.

489
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.440
I think so well A Man of
Steel. How that came about too,

490
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.599
That was because I thought that was
going to be the last Superman movie,

491
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.800
as did many others um and so
I thought it would be very cool to

492
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:45.679
be in the first and the last. And so I was talking with my

493
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.760
friend Jim Bowers from Cape Wonder and
we'd both had He had more of a

494
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.239
relationship with Dick than I did at
that point, but he's like, why

495
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.079
don't you just reach out to Dick? So I did. So I called

496
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:59.440
him up and I said I think
it'd be cool this blah blah blah.

497
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:00.880
And he's like, it's a great
idea. Send me your headshot and resume

498
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.639
and I'll send it over to Zach. And that was that. Well,

499
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:12.559
it's that hugs you did in that
Kent scene. Yeah exactly. He's like,

500
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.599
all right, that's fine, No, that's fantastic. I'm so glad

501
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:20.679
that you had a chance to reconnect
with with Nick Donner so many years later.

502
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.840
Yeah, he's you know, I
moved down to la and I booked

503
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:29.679
a pilot and because I was Canadian, they needed to prove that I was

504
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.519
better than Why should they give it
to Canadian rather than a US actor.

505
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:36.159
So there's a couple of things you
needed. One of them was a letter

506
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:44.000
from a prominent um US you know, entertainment person. So again I reached

507
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:45.760
out. Hadn't talked to him.
I saw him at Dave's video once when

508
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:50.760
they released the thing. But then
I reached out and I told him the

509
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.000
situation. Three days later, I
had a letter from him saying that they

510
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.119
should give me the part. That's
just that's just who he was. Well,

511
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:00.280
that's impressive. I hope he still
had You still have that letter or

512
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.679
did you even see that letter?
Did you just go straight to them?

513
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:06.599
It went to them, But I
got a copy of that. That's a

514
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:07.199
good point. I don't know where
it is. I have to see if

515
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.639
I can find them. Actually,
I mean, that's quite a letter to

516
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:15.039
have in your collection because it's talking
about you from Dick Donnerd. That's aggressive

517
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.679
in itself. Wow, Yeah,
you know, that's just who he was,

518
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.480
you know. Yeah, well at
least you got to work with him,

519
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.000
you know, you got to interact
with him. That's that's huge in

520
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:28.440
itself. You know, I'm totally
jealous, but hey, kudos to you

521
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.840
man for being able to do all
that. So I think, yeah,

522
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.760
well, you know, uh,
we talk about the cast and stuff like

523
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.639
that, let's talk about a little
bit of the music. Because you know,

524
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:43.000
just as Christopher Reesa the definitive Superman, so too is John Williams score

525
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.760
is the definitive music for Superman.
You know, there is nothing more iconic

526
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:51.199
than the william score. As soon
as we hear it, we are flying

527
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:55.679
right alongside Superman. His music tells
a story, right, Yeah? Absolutely,

528
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.360
h I mean even in the music
itself it says Superman. If you

529
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:06.119
listen to it really close, when
it gets to the that it sounds like

530
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:10.360
it's saying Superman. Is that not
crazy? I remember? Would surprise me

531
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:16.639
if that was done purposefully? Yeah? Yeah, I think John Williams had

532
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.679
to phonetically just think about, like
how can I make this just like people

533
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.199
hear it and you automatically identify with
it. Um. I know that I've

534
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:30.719
played that theme countless times in my
car, like it's it's inspirational, Like

535
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:37.280
I can't help like even the subtle
build that it has in the beginning.

536
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:44.920
Um. And I mean like how
many people throughout history since this one has

537
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.079
stood there with their hands on their
hips and kind of repeated that dunda dun

538
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:53.440
kind of thing. I mean,
that's it goes with it a lot um

539
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:57.599
And it's an amazing parallel to the
character too, I think, because it

540
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.320
has you know, notes, a
humility in there, and it has this

541
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:08.639
very powerful build that kind of progressively
it builds and builds to a strong moment,

542
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:13.159
but then it steps back a little
bit to almost kind of recharge.

543
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:19.320
I feel like there's a lot of
parallels there with Clark and with Superman,

544
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:22.440
you know, moments when he's in
the moment remembering who he is and where

545
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:27.039
he kind of came from. Um, what does the music mean to you?

546
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.440
Well, ay, I mean it's
just you know, it gives me

547
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.000
chills when I hear it, ay, because it's great, but just because

548
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:37.239
of the memories I have of what
it's associated with. But I think more

549
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.440
so than that, I think you
hit the nail on the head as far

550
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:44.519
as it relates exactly to the Camps. I think based on the humility,

551
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:46.440
and it builds up and it builds
up and it gets strong. But it's

552
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:52.679
not a screaming. It's not an
overpower look at me, you know,

553
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.440
strength of the music, it's just
a building. It gets you warm,

554
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.760
you know inside, and you know
it raises your chat. It just does

555
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:04.239
all that warm feeling of making you
feel good. Yeah, and then like

556
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.440
you said, it kind of backs
off and then it builds again. Um.

557
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.159
So I think it's great. But
you know, people say when you

558
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.079
hear the music, what happens?
Like, I don't know. I hear

559
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:19.440
the music, I run and I
lift up a truck. How could you

560
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:23.000
not? Right, because people at
the dealership are always yelling at before exactly

561
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:25.039
like what are you doing? I'm
like, I don't know. I heard

562
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:30.800
the theme song. I thought somebody
was in trouble. Yeah. Well,

563
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.960
and it carries through so much of
the movie too, right, I mean

564
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.639
it's the it's one of the first
times that a superhero really had that kind

565
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:44.039
of theme. Um. I know
that the George Reeves um features had their

566
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:45.719
own, but this one, I
mean, you know, can you read

567
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.360
My mind? Comes through in the
theme so much of it is repeated.

568
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.639
Um, I want to listen to
it now, I kind of right,

569
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:59.039
it's hard not to. Yeah,
absolutely, absolutely, no, it's it's

570
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.079
it's a great and I and I
think it's one of those theme songs which

571
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:06.039
is so rare that people may not
have seen the movie, but know the

572
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:13.000
theme. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. So let's talk a little bit more

573
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.360
about the the music just for a
second. By chance, do you play

574
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:20.199
it in the house, Like,
does have the same effect on your family?

575
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.039
On your kids? Um? You
know, the great answer would be

576
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:27.599
yes all the time, but I
don't. And it's and it's it's really

577
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.880
funny. Like my son said to
me once last year, two years ago,

578
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:32.039
he goes, Dad, I don't
get it. I'm like what,

579
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:37.199
he goes, Why do people still
care? You were in the movie for

580
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.159
like two minutes and it was like
forty years ago. Yeah, Mike,

581
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:44.039
man, I can hear you know, fourteen years ago, Like I can

582
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:47.079
see that, right. But you
know, I've played it a few times

583
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:50.880
they here, and I think my
daughter is more enthralled with it than my

584
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.599
son is. Um. You know, she likes the music and and that

585
00:40:54.760 --> 00:41:01.559
she likes We just watched it.
I guess um gets Google and TikTok or

586
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.840
it showed like a bunch of it. So she showed me that, you

587
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.679
know, Um, and she likes
it, you know, but they're not.

588
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:14.800
You know, I think that just
two young or whatever for it.

589
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:16.360
Yeah. Well, I mean,
like you said, it's one of those

590
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:22.320
themes that people probably know that even
more than the movie, and even without

591
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.920
the movie, it still gets you
charged up right. It still does the

592
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.079
job that it's supposed to do,
which is connect you with that feeling well,

593
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:31.519
and you play the first little bit
of it, and I guarantee you

594
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:35.480
you're in a room of ten people, you're gonna have eight go like this.

595
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.679
Oh yeah, yeah, you know
immediately because they everybody associates and not

596
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:46.280
and knows it, and it makes
it really makes everybody feel like they have

597
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:51.159
a superpower. Just when you hear
it, you know, all of a

598
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.519
sudden, you're like And I think
that's the great thing about it. Yeah.

599
00:41:54.599 --> 00:42:00.559
Yeah, I use it as workout
music. Yeah, you can't do

600
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:05.400
that. You can't it. Um, So Aaron, Um, I probably

601
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:07.519
know the answer to this, but
you may be surprising me by it.

602
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:12.159
Um. What is your favorite scene
in the film. My favorite scene in

603
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:16.760
the film, I mean, I
have a bunch, but you know,

604
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:22.679
I like the rooftop scene with him
and Lois. But I like because it's

605
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:28.639
very comedic and very funny and says
a lot the old helicopter. You know,

606
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.079
I don't worry. I've got you. You've got me, Who's got

607
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.599
you? Right? Um? You
know, is just a great scene because

608
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:40.559
it breaks up the drama of that
whole thing. And again, what it

609
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:46.639
does is it brings human you know, humility back into the Superman character and

610
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:51.639
you know, and all that sort
of stuff. So and then you know

611
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:55.679
that scene. Um, I think
that's a really powerful scene with Jeff and

612
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:02.639
Glenn. That's that is among my
favorites. A very very good choice there.

613
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.719
I just I liked how the whole
cinematography with Kansas stuff. I loved

614
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:12.360
all of that. You got some
really good sweeping shots. But yes,

615
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.760
the scene between those two and then
when he has the heart attack and stuff,

616
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.320
yeah, I love that scene so
much. Well, I love the

617
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.679
fact that's all shot in Calgary.
Yeah yeah, right, just outside of

618
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.559
Calgary in a town called Blackie.
Yeah, okay, Alberta. So it's

619
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.840
a take. We we all met
at a gas station and hopped on a

620
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:30.599
bus and then drove out to the
set. And then Superman three was in

621
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:37.840
Calgary as well. Okay, yeah, they made a metropolis and my mom

622
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:40.880
and dad were in that scene.
So the lady that plays with my mom

623
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:45.320
in the Superman three scene, yeah, that was my mom. And your

624
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.559
your dad was involved too, right. He was in that scene where they're

625
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.880
pulling the guy out of the car
that was flooded when he hit the fire

626
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.119
hydrant. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's so cool. Yeah. And

627
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.719
then family business. It was a
fact my brother because he was in He

628
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:06.480
was in Superman one when they did
the montage, which that montage never made

629
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.639
it at and then he was in
a scene in Superman three that got cut

630
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.000
as well. So after that he's
like, I'm done with this business.

631
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:19.039
He's on the writing on the wall, right, Yeah, So it was

632
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.199
a family affair. Yeah, And
I would say if I had to pick

633
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:30.840
my favorite scene, it's got to
be the Lois's death in the Earthquake because

634
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:36.960
we get that range of Chris's I
don't even know if it's anger, it's

635
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:43.440
it's frustration. Like there's the Tim
Daly's animated Superman has this great line about

636
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:45.480
feeling like he lives in a world
of cardboard and then he's always got to

637
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:50.960
keep himself in check. So thinking
about this character that always has to pretend

638
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.239
one way or another and always has
to hold back to a certain degree,

639
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:59.239
this is where he really lets it
go. And the look on his face.

640
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:06.039
It's not frightening anger, it's just
relatable and that that scream just gives

641
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.320
me chills. Dave, what about
you? So you would think it would

642
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:12.679
be the first time we get to
see Superman saving Lois, But you know,

643
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.559
it's a very simple scene. It
is when he's sitting down at the

644
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:20.559
table and Lois is interviewing him for
the first time. They're on his balcony

645
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:24.079
at the apartment, right, and
she asks him do you have are you

646
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:27.519
married? I believe is what she
says. You have? You have?

647
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.239
You know? And he gives that
little grin, that little smirk that he

648
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:35.519
gives. You'll be the first to
know, you know, and he has

649
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:39.480
his hand over his face. Yes. It just proves the innocence and the

650
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:45.679
performance that Christopher Reeve brought in to
not only being Clark Kent but also being

651
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.880
Superman and made it his own that
I loved. Yeah, you know,

652
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.639
we we love to quote actors or
directors and stuff like that from the movie,

653
00:45:54.760 --> 00:46:00.559
and I really found this quote from
Christopher Reeve that I thought really summed

654
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:06.360
up who he is and why he
is the definitive Superman. He says,

655
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:12.079
I have seen firsthand how Superman actually
transforms people's lives. I have seen children

656
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.079
dying of brain tumors who wanted,
as their last request to be able to

657
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:19.280
talk to me, and have gone
to the graves with a piece brought on

658
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.440
by knowing that their belief in this
kind of character is intact. I have

659
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:29.400
seen that Superman really matters. They're
connecting with something very basic, the ability

660
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:35.880
to overcome obstacles, the ability to
persevere, the ability to understand difficulty and

661
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.920
to turn your back on it.
And that speaks volumes about Chris, like

662
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:45.920
he knew what Superman brought to these
kids, right to people who watched it.

663
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:50.039
It's that sincerity that he brought to
the character. And there's another quote

664
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.480
by Richard Donner that kind of thinks
back to that. In terms of his

665
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:58.599
sincerity and his enthusiasm about flight,
Richard Donner says, he made the flying

666
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.760
extraordinarily believable. I totally believe it
had a lot to do with his understanding

667
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:06.119
and the feeling of an aircraft when
it flies, the airflow, the list

668
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.079
of the wings, and how it's
going to affect you. It's something you're

669
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.880
very conscious of when you fly an
airplane. And I think when he puts

670
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.239
his hands out on the set he
was flying. He totally believed it.

671
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:21.159
He believed he was Superman and he
knew that for the kids, like in

672
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:22.760
your quote, you said, their
last rest was to be able to talk

673
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:27.480
to me, not just meet me, but they wanted Superman to talk to

674
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.360
them and talk them through what they're
going through. That is insanely powerful.

675
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:36.719
Yeah, huge man, very powerful
individuals for sure. In this just shows

676
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.280
you the impact of not only this
movie but on the people who were in

677
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:45.039
it. Yeah. Well, let's
let's talk about the impact of this film

678
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:50.039
because it has so many across the
board and we've already discussed some of them

679
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:54.320
with what it did to the genre
itself, but the special effects in itself,

680
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:58.159
you know it, you know,
it made us believe a man could

681
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.119
fly. With what they did with
this. Christopher Reeve was able to,

682
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:06.880
you know, with his motions make
it even more believable. But what they

683
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:09.599
came up with to make it look
like he could fly was so impactful on

684
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:13.920
the industry itself, on what they
would change because they invented a lot of

685
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:17.679
this stuff is just for Superman,
correct, correct, Yeah, absolutely,

686
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:24.880
Yeah, And I love the fact
that I think Chris and Dick Donnor both

687
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:30.679
had experience as pilots that they were
applying to you know, how he's holding

688
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.320
his hand, how he wants to
lean into it, and things like that.

689
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:37.440
And believe is the key word there, right. They knew that it

690
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:43.320
was a story about sincere belief in
the power of this character and not taking

691
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.199
it lightly. I love the fact
that he believed so much in taking the

692
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:52.280
character seriously, as in knowing the
responsibility of what he could do with this

693
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:59.639
character, but like you said,
not taking it too seriously at the same

694
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.159
time, never settling for good enough. I remember hearing that there were so

695
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:07.440
many things that they tried with making
Flying look believable, and they could have

696
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:12.320
settled on anyone, but they didn't. They kept persevering and making sure that

697
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.400
this is something that really had that
believability. That's what I think I love

698
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.480
about this movie. Yeah, well, I mean they spent a lot of

699
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:22.360
time and money on and I can't
remember the name of it exactly, but

700
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:24.119
really perfecting the harness. So you
know, you put a harness on it

701
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:27.840
and you fly, you're gonna you're
gonna tilt a little bit, and you're

702
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.639
not focus. You're so they really
perfected on getting the harness property that it

703
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:35.559
would hold the body properly, that
he could you know, concentrate on everything

704
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.320
else to make it look real.
Um, and then the running and all

705
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:44.000
that and um, you know,
he even you know, Mark mcclerk tells

706
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.880
stories about you know, there were
certain scenes where, um, he wanted

707
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:53.280
to refer to Marcus Jimmy you know
when they were talking, because it just

708
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:57.840
really wanted to stay in that character. He didn't want to break you know,

709
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:00.280
the character because he felt, you
know, it's the huge responsibility.

710
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:07.119
But he was definitely, you know, a perfectionist when it came to getting

711
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:10.920
things right, not just to be
difficult, but because he cared so much

712
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:16.760
and felt, you know, so
much responsibility to that character. And I

713
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:20.800
think in turn, he brought out
the best of other actors and other cast

714
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:24.239
members on set. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And in that scene from

715
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:29.079
Superman three, did you get to
watch him take off? I did?

716
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:34.679
Yeah, that was yeah, you
know, because on Superman one, I

717
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.360
didn't really know who Superman was.
I was just happy to be on set

718
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.559
and eating all the free candy and
stuff. You know, I didn't meet

719
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:45.639
him. I didn't get to meet
him. Until Superman three, And the

720
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:51.280
first time I met him was on
set that day, and so first,

721
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:52.280
you know, as he was mad, he had massive hands, so my

722
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:58.039
hand disappeared in his when he shook
my hand. Well, and then you

723
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.519
know, and even that had such
a big impact on me. He didn't

724
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.159
have to come over and say hi
and shake my hand and you know,

725
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.280
do all that he could, but
he could have been like, oh hey,

726
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.159
you know, um, so that
made a huge impact. But then

727
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:15.360
I remember like watching him run and
take off and it was so seamless,

728
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.679
and it's not easy doing that in
a harness, right, you know,

729
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.800
right, but it was just and
I was like, holy crap, is

730
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:24.760
he really flying? I knew he
wasn't, but it was. It was

731
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:28.840
pretty cool. Yeah, well,
anytime you were working with those kind of

732
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.280
harnesses and rigs, there's so many
variables that can throw it off. Oh

733
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:36.199
yeah, aside from just gravity,
but just the way you pitch your body,

734
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.440
the way you hold your legs.
I remember hearing that was one of

735
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:43.239
the most difficult parts, was holding
your legs in a certain position so you

736
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.119
can get a kind of balance on
that harness. That must have been so

737
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.760
amazing to see in person. Yeah, I got chills thinking about that.

738
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:52.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it
was. It was. It was great

739
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.079
because you know, sometimes you with
special effects, you don't get to see

740
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:58.440
that stuff, right, But there
are no special effects. I mean there

741
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.599
were a little bit after, but
he literally ran and then off he went,

742
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.760
and it was so smooth, you
know, yeah it was, but

743
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:07.679
you're right, I mean it is
dangerous, like Jeff almost got hit by

744
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:15.280
the train, you know. Um, Gene Hackman's brother was a step coordinator

745
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:17.159
and saved him on that, yeah, you know, him out of the

746
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:22.880
way, just because it's so difficult
with that. Yeah, and he was

747
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:27.119
he befriended you on the set of
the first Superman, right, yes,

748
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:29.920
yeah, yeah, yeah he was. He was great too, you know,

749
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.199
in the tent and befriended us and
played and played with us as well,

750
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:38.519
which is great to think that Lex's
brother technically saved Superman. Yeah,

751
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:43.280
it was a friend of Clarks.
It was a very small element there.

752
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:45.960
Well. Richard Hackman was literally like
three feet from my scene, laying on

753
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:52.079
the ground just in case that one
cable they had snapped, yeah, holding

754
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:53.800
up the truck. Wow. Yeah, yeah, that's all I had was

755
00:52:53.800 --> 00:53:00.000
one cable. Jeez. That's scary. That's scary to think about exactly.

756
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.559
People said to my parents and I, Hey, you weren't very good parents.

757
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:05.679
You let your kids stand under the
truck and then you let them come

758
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.440
out naked in front of millions of
people. We've got the brother of the

759
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:14.679
greatest criminal flame of our age,
so he's got to be very smart in

760
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:20.199
what he does. So you know
you're in a good hands. Just don't

761
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:25.880
take him off exactly, all right? Um, what else we have in

762
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:30.239
Peco Scott. You know we've talked
about the music, we've talked about and

763
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:34.599
how this kind of influenced so many
other things that have followed. Obviously,

764
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.599
you can see the DNA of this
in the eighty nine Batman, small Ville,

765
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:43.760
the Marvel Cinematic Universe, you know, taking the superhero genre and turning

766
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.679
it into something which it should be, which is to inspire greatness and others.

767
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:52.639
You can see that kind of thing
happening in so many characters. Spider

768
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:59.039
Man kind of being that everyday person
that can do extraordinary things. And I

769
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:04.360
just love the fact that it's it's
continued to persevere to this day. Um,

770
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.920
I think if I can let me, I think you the spider Man

771
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:13.280
and the Toby Maguire Spider Man is
probably, in my opinion, one of

772
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:19.639
the closest comparisons to the Clark and
the Superman in that it was just a

773
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:24.199
regular, every day kind of you
know, quirky, funny kind of guy

774
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:30.000
who had this huge responsibility and was
battling how to do it, but all

775
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:34.119
he wanted to do was just do
good. Yeah right, Well, and

776
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:37.000
they spent so much time with his
Kent's right, with Aunt May, with

777
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:40.360
Uncle Ben. They took the time
to make sure that we got to know

778
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:46.840
those characters. Um, which I
there's some of my favorite characters in any

779
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:51.880
of those features. Um. I
always love to see the parents and you

780
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.639
know, because they are who create
the hero before they even put on a

781
00:54:54.639 --> 00:55:00.280
suit. Right, Yeah, hearing. Any any thoughts on what James Gunn's

782
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:09.079
gonna do with Superman. I I
mean I kind of I get it,

783
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:14.159
you know, I get what what
they're doing with the younger and in a

784
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:22.599
new generation and all that. Um, I hope and I think that they

785
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:28.559
he will have enough I don't want
to say enough respector or that he will

786
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:34.559
try and do a modern day Superman. I think that's what the point is

787
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.039
about the younger, you know,
and kind of restarting it, revamping it.

788
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:42.400
But I think he's gonna I think
he's gonna do a modern day you

789
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:46.239
know, Christopher Reeve, not a
copycat, but bring it back to the

790
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:52.960
route where it started it what the
meaning of it is. Yep, Yeah,

791
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:54.159
I think so too. I think
you're right on that eron for sure.

792
00:55:54.760 --> 00:56:00.639
Well and knowing what it takes to
kind of make it U relatable to

793
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:04.519
a new generation like they had to
do that in seventy eight. They've had

794
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.159
to do that in so many other
iterations, but they still to stay true

795
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:12.400
to the character. And that's what's
really important, I think in making it

796
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:17.239
U timeless, making me still relevant
to have other generation right, And I

797
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:21.519
think it's such a difficult task.
And I think, you know, and

798
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:23.000
some people may not like this,
but I think some fans kind of in

799
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:30.039
a sense need to be open minded. You know that you've got to have

800
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:34.119
a different You're not You're never going
to recreate what Chris did, no,

801
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.960
right, So you can't hold anybody
to that anymore. You can't hold a

802
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:42.440
film as long as they stick to
what it's about and what the true heart

803
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.440
of it is that's what matters,
right, you know. Right, So

804
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:50.440
I think we've kind of got to
get over this. You know, it's

805
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:52.559
not Chris, It's not Chris.
It's never gonna be Chris. Nobody's gonna

806
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:58.320
be Chris. Let's look at what
Superman is about, and let's build a

807
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.920
movie about that and see we can
to that, right, you know?

808
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:07.039
And I think I think Henry did
that personally in my opinion. Um,

809
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:09.320
but I see where it's like,
Okay, you know, you kind of

810
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:15.239
let's let's do something. Let's do
something else now, Yeah, not kind

811
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:20.000
of mimicking what was done before,
but doing what was done before, which

812
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:22.719
is to dig deeper into the character
and see what else you can bring out.

813
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:27.079
And that's what's going to connect not
only with new generations, but it's

814
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.719
going to cross generations as something that
parents can share with their kids, because

815
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:34.320
I think that kids can maybe share
with their parents to say, like,

816
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.440
you haven't seen Superman until you've seen
mine, and then it takes on a

817
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.800
whole new meeting. I love that, right, And I think I think

818
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.840
that's the one place Man of Steel
missed the mark was is they kind of

819
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:46.400
did a little bit of character development, then they went right into the bad

820
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:52.519
stuff of fighting and all that,
and they lost the whole how he got

821
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.079
to be who he was and what
it meant you know. Yeah, just

822
00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:58.800
like you said, they lost then
you've got to have that heart, and

823
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:01.079
they lost that heart. Yeah,
they were starting there and then it just

824
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:04.480
kind of like, Okay, that's
enough, let's go, and you're liking

825
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.400
he kind of felt ripped off and
it jipped in a sense I did anyway.

826
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.800
Yeah, absolutely warn you said,
you're you're in a fan film Superman

827
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:15.199
solar Um. When's that going to
be available? When can people catch that?

828
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:19.239
So there, it's in post right
now, so it should be coming

829
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.519
out fall um all the posts.
It should be done and it'll be on

830
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:27.960
YouTube. And it's a great I
mean, they got they really did a

831
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.039
really good job at post production,
and the trailer looks looks phenomenal and I

832
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:37.400
had such a blast, and the
buzz about it right now that it's getting

833
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:42.199
I think there may be you know, I told the writer and director it's

834
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:45.039
the same person that created I'm like, bet, are you writing the sequel

835
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:46.880
to it right now? Because it's
gonna be We're gonna need a sequel.

836
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:51.920
We're gonna need to see more Lax
because you know it's a it's a pretty

837
00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:57.039
great scene that was in there with
between me and Glenn who plays Superman.

838
00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.239
Yeah, well, just how you're
describing it. I can't wait to see

839
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:01.239
it. I'm really looking forward.
I mean, I want to see the

840
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:06.920
entire thing, but I'm really looking
forward to seeing your Lexow. Thanks,

841
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:09.000
we'll say hope, hope. I
had a decent job, but I had

842
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:13.960
a lot of fun with it.
So you're one take Aaron, so we

843
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.199
expect it now, right. That's
right? Yeah, Like we flew you

844
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:20.440
in for four days, but we're
down in four hours. What do we

845
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:25.000
do now? Any other any other
projects you want to talk to us about,

846
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.880
any place where people can look for
you. Um, that's it right

847
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:32.440
now, you know. I just
I did that. Um. I'm supposed

848
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:39.360
to be putting on tape for a
U film with Dean Kane, but I

849
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:42.199
don't know if the dates are going
to work out on that, So I

850
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.440
can't say too much about that right
now because I don't know if it is.

851
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:46.920
But um, but other than that, that's that's it right now.

852
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:52.519
Yeah. Well, Aaron, you
know, we really appreciate you stopping buy

853
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:58.679
and hanging out with us and talking
about the greatest superhero movie ever made.

854
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:02.599
Yeah, and I'm that's that's the
point of doing this entire series is it's

855
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:08.239
these movies that are forty five years
old, which makes me feel old,

856
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:14.159
but um, but that still stick
with us. And you know, David,

857
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:15.920
like you said, Aaron, I
appreciate so much the fact that you're

858
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:19.920
willing to give us the time today
to talk to you and here's some of

859
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:23.239
these great stories, but also that
you're so willing to continue to connect with

860
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:30.639
fans because I think what you did
in these movies does have an important part

861
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:34.960
in these characters. And there are
connections that people make and you know,

862
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:38.760
they could connect to any part of
these movies. And I know that any

863
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:45.639
time you know, stars are willing
to take the time to make that connection

864
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:49.800
and share that connection and hear what
it's meant to people, It means the

865
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.719
world to us as fans. So
thank you so much for sharing your time

866
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:54.719
with us. Oh well, I
appreciate that very much, and thank you

867
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:57.920
guys. I'm honored that you you
know, you guys reached out to me.

868
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:00.159
And you know, I've said up
a four it's cheesy and I will

869
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:05.440
always say it, but without fans, there are no movies, there are

870
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:08.320
no songs, there are no sports
that you know, and and the fans

871
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:12.360
are the ones that you know,
pay for the athletes, pay for the

872
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.280
musicians, pay for the actors.
So and they go out and watch it.

873
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:21.840
And our job as actors is to
reach out and touch those people in

874
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:24.119
some way to make their day better, whether it's by a laugh, or

875
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:28.079
whether they had a really tough day
and they forgot about that day because they

876
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:32.280
went and watched a movie, or
you know, I was really touched and

877
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:36.760
in a hard time in my life
by Goodwill Hunting. That made a huge

878
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:40.519
impact on me. And so I
think as actors that's our job. And

879
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:45.360
so anytime that I get the chance
to thank fans when they come to the

880
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:49.519
comic cons is a big honor for
me because really it's, you know,

881
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.199
without without the fans, there's there's
not the opportunity. Without you guys,

882
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:55.239
there's not the opportunity to get out
and talk to more people about it and

883
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:59.679
share my experience, you know,
And it's an honor to do that because

884
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:01.760
they were on set, they got
to see the film. It's it's you

885
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:05.800
know, they get to hear all
these behind the scenes stories of you know,

886
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.840
like Dick Donner letting me talking to
the Waukee talkie and they gave me

887
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:12.400
juicy fruit gum to get me to
come out naked and all this stuff that

888
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:15.239
you know, nobody would hear.
And it's they deserve to hear that,

889
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:17.960
and I love to share it,
you know. And and I'm not one

890
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:22.159
of those conventions that it's like hi, thank you, next next, you

891
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:28.880
know, I really believe in in
I talk to people and whatever I sign

892
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:32.480
has something to do with what I
just learned about them, So it's not

893
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:37.639
a generic So it's it's specially them. These people paid their hard earned money,

894
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:40.119
they took the time off of work, they waited in line. The

895
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:45.400
least I can do is make it
special to them, you know, because

896
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:49.280
that that's just what I believe,
and I think that's what the Superman movie

897
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:52.840
is all about. So, Scott, where do you see this up?

898
01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:58.119
So most of the DC catalog can
be found along with this film on HBO

899
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:00.719
Max, but there's so much more
to discover on recent special editions. I

900
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:05.880
know a steelbook just came out.
If you have any connection to this movie,

901
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:08.400
I highly recommend investing in a physical
copy with all the great features.

902
01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:14.639
Specifically, there's a commentary with Richard
Donner and Tom Mankowitz that alone just adds

903
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.679
another layer of magic to this movie. You just can't miss. It's like

904
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:22.480
the stories we're getting from Aaron today, those behind the scenes story make me

905
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:27.199
want to watch it so many more
times, and you just don't get that

906
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:30.639
with just a streaming version. Dave, what about you? Yeah, I

907
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:34.159
mean I own a couple of physical
copies of this movie, and you're right.

908
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.760
You need this in your collection.
You need this in your library because

909
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:40.559
you don't get the behind the scenes
kind of stuff when you're streaming it,

910
01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:45.159
and you need that because you're right, Scott. This adds a additional layers

911
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:49.760
to the process of this movie and
makes you appreciate it that much more and

912
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:52.320
makes you want to watch it over
and over. Yeah. Well, I

913
01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:57.199
want to thank all of our listeners
out there for tuning in for us,

914
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:02.079
especially with this special edition, because
you know, it was great to talk

915
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:08.000
about Superman, but it was also
great to have the guest Aaron Slinski with

916
01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.440
us. Thank you, guys.
I'm really honored, you know, to

917
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:14.719
be here. I'm very appreciative of
it, and like I said, if

918
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:17.880
you know any more that you guys
want or anything like that, please let

919
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:20.960
me know. Absolutely, Aaron,
thank you so much, sir. Yep,

920
01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:27.119
all right, have a good night, right, And we also want

921
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:30.480
to give a very special thanks to
Valerie Perryne for that beautiful introduction, Dave.

922
01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:33.639
I know that you agree with that
being introduced to missus Tesmacher herself as

923
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:36.880
something we'll never forget, and we
want to give Superman fans a chance to

924
01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:43.480
help her in her fight against Parkinson's
disease. Director Stacy Souther a great friend

925
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:45.519
of Valerie that spoke a film by
about this documentary, as we've mentioned before,

926
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:51.199
as organized to go fund me page
called help Valerie Perryane Fight Parkinson's Disease.

927
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:56.079
I think at this point she's a
little more than halfway toward her goal,

928
01:04:56.119 --> 01:04:59.400
and I know our listeners can help
save the woman who saved the Superman.

929
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:02.760
Look for the link in the episode's
description and give what you can to

930
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:05.760
help out to your friend. If
you want to leave a comment and discuss

931
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:10.639
what's next or even how suggestions,
you can find us at www dot film

932
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:14.360
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933
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:18.119
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Twitter, and Instagram until our film reels

934
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:23.320
start rolling again. Go out watch
something new, watch something different, and

935
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:27.280
who knows what you will discover next. Thanks everyone, Thanks everyone, see

936
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:53.960
you next time. Yeah, but
you're the one take wonder, so you

937
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:58.239
won't need that exactly exactly it's there
if you are you talking about Jeff?

938
01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:01.559
Come on, okay, will you
guys have a great show and I'll catch

939
01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:04.880
up here and uh in just a
short while. Okay did I say something

940
01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:09.239
doing salt them? No? Just
must be a Batman fan.