A Film at 45: The China Syndrome

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
nineteen seventy nine in a Film Buys limited

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series A Film at forty five.
I am David Burns and I'm Scott Hoffman

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with this limited series from a Film
by a Podcast where we're dusting off the

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end of a decade that changed cinema
forever with a fresh look at modern classics

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and hidden gems that we can't stop
watching. In this episode, we're going

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nuclear with the alter realistic, thrilling
blockbuster with a twelve day fuse the China

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syndrome. I'm ready. This is
Jackadell. We have a serious condition.

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You get everybody into safety areas and
make sure that they stay there. God,

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when Lucy getting back pressure? Now, what the hell happened to a

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high pressure cooling in check? You
got a dumb pressure? Yeah, you

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can't take that chance. Jack Adell
was about to present evidence that he believed

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would show that this plant should be
shut down. This is Kimberly Wells Live

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from Chattel three five four three two
one go. It's time for the news.

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Scott. It's not about China.
It's about choices between honesty and ambition,

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career and conscience, responsibility and profit. The China syndrome. Today,

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only a handful of people know what
it means after this podcast, so will

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you, Scott. We are dealing
with a very serious, heavy film,

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one that will just leave you thinking
about its ending and the consequences that could

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occur. But before we really dig
into that, how would you describe this

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film to someone? Well, to
paraphrase Frank Whaley's character in Broken Arrow,

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I'm not sure what's scarier the meaning
of the term China syndrome or the fact

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that it happens so often. They
have a term for it. Yeah,

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it refers to a nuclear meltdown that
where the core melts through the ground all

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the way to China. It's a
threaten in this movie that Jack Lemmon is

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trying to prevent with his friend and
Wilfrid Brimley as the two men in charge

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of keeping disaster at bay. It's
a threat that Jane Fund is covering as

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a reporter who wants to cover more
meaningful stories, with Michael Douglas as a

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rogue cameraman that wants to expose the
truth about what's happening at this power plant.

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It's a thrilling drama that has everyone
scared of what happens when people try

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to save their jobs instead of saving
lives. It stars Jane Vonda, Jack

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Lemon, and they are very young
Michael Douglas. Written and directed by James

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Bridges and co written by Mike Gray
and T. S. Cook. Yeah,

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this film is a disaster thriller,
I guess you could say, dealing

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with a very serious subject, very
powerful, and it really does have a

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message for all of us. One
of the things that I love about this

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film is between all of these fabulous
characters, the one that truly stands out

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and the one that you don't expect, the one that breaks your heart is

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Jack Godou played by the masterful Lemon. Yeah. You know, when we

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were introduced to him, he is
just that supervisor at a nuclear power plant,

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But damn does he become so much
more. Yeah. Yeah, he

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absolutely knows what he's doing, and
he's the kind of person that you want

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to be in charge of this kind
of situation, as disastrous as it is,

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because he knows what to do and
he wants to take the steps to

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do the right thing. YEA.
Unfortunately, not everybody is on the same

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playbook, and at the time when
nuclear reactors were being cooled by water.

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It's been a lot of advances since
then, but it was a scary prospect.

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In nineteen seventy nine, people were
worried about nuclear waste. They were

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worried about actions of these kind of
plants, with good reason. So in

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nineteen seventy five, just a few
years before this one, there is the

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incident at Brown's Ferry in Alabama.
So a bunch of flaws in construction and

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safety failures turned it into an accident. There was certainly alarming, but what

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became a bit more troubling was what
happened twelve days after this movie came out,

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which is crazy. So this film
was released on March sixteenth, and

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at the time there was a bunch
of executives in charge of nuclear power plants

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that were saying that it's pure fiction. It's a character assassination on the industry.

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Twelve days after its premiere, there
was a three Mile Island nuclear accident

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in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. And for
those who don't know or remember, on

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the three Mile Island nuclear generating station
in Susquehanna River in Londonderry Township near Harrisburg,

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Pennsylvania. Apparently it happened at four
am on March twenty eighth, and

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it's noted as the worst accident in
US commercial nuclear power plant history. On

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a seven point scale of how intense
these things can get, it was a

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five. Wow. So it's pretty
scary considering this is, you know,

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a cautionary tale about what can go
wrong if people are ignoring safety measures or

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cutting corners, or what people were
afraid of with having these things in our

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backyards, so to speak. And
yes, in talking about that, I

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read somewhere when doing some research for
this film that they are some people who

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believe that people behind the movie had
something to do with this. Yeah,

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it was only twelve days twelve days
after this movie came out, which is

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crazy coincidence, man, But yeah, you know, I'm sure this drove

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this movie too for an even bigger
audience because of that. Yeah, yeah,

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it turned into a blockbuster after that, because you know, understandably,

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people want their own way to understand
what's going on and to try to process

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it. And I don't think this
is necessarily you know, it seems like

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they thought that this was putting the
finger at the nuclear industry as being inherently

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dangerous. I don't think there was
anybody that was really twirling a mustache here,

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so to speak. It was just
points in the chain where people had

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ignored the job that they were supposed
to do, the safety measures, the

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quality control they're supposed to take with
dangerous consequences. And you know, listening

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to some physicists that have talked about
this movie, and you know the intricacies

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of what can happen at those plants
and all the safety measures. There's a

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scene where in this movie where Jack
Leman's character says that they have quality control

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standards that rival NASA along those lines, right, So they're taking those measures.

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It's just when certain people cut corners, it gets dangerous. And the

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biggest one of those that you know
we're going to see in this film is,

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uh, you know, the X
rays of those welds that Jack is

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trying to prove that you know,
it's there's it's not ready to go to

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be turned back on, you know. And he even goes out to the

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people who you know, but did
those X rays, and of course they're

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like, you know, cutting corners. You know, as you said talking

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you know, save the taste of
money, because he said what it would

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cost millions of dollars three X ray
all of that, you know, I

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mean, come on, okay,
okay, that's fine, And I know

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exactly that's worth the money, isn't
it? Like it makes me think of

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Ben Affleck's Batman when he says,
you know, if if there's even a

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one percent chance that this guy could
be a threat, we have to take

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it as an absolute certainty. Absolutely. Yeah. Why would you not,

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like think of the magnitude of what
can happen if you don't so like the

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fact that somebody is willing to cut
corners like that fake X ray? Oh

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my god, I think I clearly
don't understand what could happen. And I

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don't remember what the character's name was, but the guy with the bow tie.

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They kept kind of dismissing Jack and
saying like, oh, come on,

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like you said, we can't afford
to shut this down for so many

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days. Yeah, you can't afford
not to, you can't wait. Come

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on, man, you realize with
that steak here, Oh, it's scary.

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It blows your mind, I know, And you know there's people out

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there like that and have been Yeah, you're right, it is frightening on

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that and this movie really opens up
your eyes, which is why it's got

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such a good message. But really, before we dive more into it,

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let's talk about some of this cast. Scott as we know, Jane Fonda,

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who plays Kimberly Wells, she plays
a news anchor who I truly believe

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in. I think she did a
fantastic job. I felt that she was

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a genuine news anchor in this.
But of course, as we know,

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she always got the silly jobs to
report on, right, she didn't get

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those big news stories, and she
was always after that one. But one

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of them finally falls under her lap, and you know, she takes it

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and takes it in stride. Yeah, yeah, I guess so, I

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wasn't aware. This is one of
two movies where she's going to be a

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reporter, so you've got the Electric
Horseman coming up a little bit later.

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She and the rest of the cast
took it very seriously and went on several

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rounds, several rides with actual television
reporters, which you've got to respect.

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There's a lot of authenticity to her
performance at neck. I mean, she

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does the you know, kind of
like in Bruce Almighty, she goes to

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Niagara Falls and you know, talks
to the people on the Maid in the

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Mist and all this other kind of
stuff, and she takes it in stride.

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She knows that eventually it will get
somewhere, but she's also taking the

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assignments that are a bit more serious. So her tour of the nuclear power

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plant is a great piece that's helping
to kind of raise awareness of what's going

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on these plants, help people understand
a little bit more about them, which

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is fascinating because Jane Vonder was also
an activist at the time that was that

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was involved in, you know,
making sure that these things were safe,

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the paraplants were safe and not cutting
corners. But the struggle that she has

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to go through to be taken seriously
is is heartbreaking but understandably real. And

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I think at one point there was
a consideration of making her character a man,

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and I'm really glad that they didn't. This wouldn't have worked as good

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if that was a man character,
not at all, because you've got her

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and Jack Lemon both I think fighting
the same battle, or a very similar

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battle, yep, trying to figure
out trying to get people to take them

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seriously, understand what they're saying.
Listen to them. Michael Douglas's character in

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a similar situation, but they're each
taking different avenues in the spectrum. Right.

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Michael Douglas is ready to release the
footage and say, let's just expose

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them. Jack Lemon is a bit
more cautious about it, I think because

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he wants to you know, it's
not just I want to protect my job,

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because I think that's what the bow
Tie character was trying to do.

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It's more like, I know what
I'm doing in this position. I have

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a responsibility to be here in it. Yeah, And Jane Fond's character being

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responsible about the delivery of a story, so she can understand what the producer

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is saying, like, we can't
just say this, we have to research

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it, we have to dig in, we have to look at the facts.

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And I think she sides with that, which frustrates Michael Douglas's character.

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It's a fascinating kind of interplay between
the three. But what I think like

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about her character too, is in
going back to the thing that you know

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is a male character. With with
her being a female character, you're living

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in a time when a lot of
the newsakers are males. You know,

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they're they're men and you know,
you know, they're the ones that's on

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the big screen getting the big stories. So if this is a male character,

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it just wouldn't have worked the same. You know, you have Kimberly

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Wells who's not only trying to you
know, get on to get those big

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news stories, but she's fighting too
because she's a woman, you know.

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Yeah, and one of the things
that that her character you just see her

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character art from the beginning of this
film to the end of this film on

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how you know, we start off
kind of happy, fun, you know,

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she's getting those lovable stories, you
know, and you to laugh a

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little bit. But by the time
you get to the end of this film,

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you feel all the emotions that she
feels when she's in front of that

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camera there at the end and she's
trying to keep it together, and they're

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even saying, come on, keep
it together, keep it together. You

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got to report this. You know, you just see the struggle in her.

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There's no way this would have worked
as a male character, no way.

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Yeah, yeah, it wouldn't have
had the same impact at all.

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No, And I think she did
a great job in this role. Yeah,

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oh absolutely she did. And then
you know, let's talk about Michael

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Douglas a little bit. As Richard
Adams. You know, he's more than

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just a cameraman. You know,
he wants to tell that story no matter

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what, and no matter who he
hurts. He just wants to tell the

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truth, you know, right,
and you know, and typically that is

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a news reporter's job and the cameraman
is there just to point that camera,

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but not his character. And that's
what I loved about him. You know,

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he had that driving force along with
her. And you're right, with

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these three characters, with Jack two, you just had this driving trio that

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was just drove this movie and just
made it so powerful. About time we

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get to this end, it's fascinating
where we are, where you and I

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are in our movie watching experience.
Certainly Jack Lemon is a powerful actor,

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oh, without question, great legacy
of rules. When we see, at

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least personally, when I see Michael
Douglas's name, it's Michael Douglas. That's

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a pretty pretty big name. At
the time, he was just starting out,

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and he was also the producer of
this movie. He produced it.

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Yeah, crazy, yeah, how
much involvement he had with this, you

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know, going after the story itself
the story of the movie. And he

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even got Jack Lemon too, didn't
He like a couple of years before this

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was released to pull and Jack Lemon
says, I will do it. Whenever

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you're ready to film it, I
will be there. That's crazy, man.

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Yeah, he initially wanted to make
it right after one flu of the

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Cucko's Nest in seventy five, and
Lemon agreed to play the role as early

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as seventy six. And the connection
that the two of them had is powerful.

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Yeah, and you know, it's
interesting how he's the supporting actor to

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Jack Lemon's character. Yeah, you
would think it, you know, at

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least the way I would think of
more recent movies, the roles would be

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reversed, but to great effect here. I love the intensity of the young

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Michael Douglass. He's he's so committed
to doing what he thinks needs to be

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done, or what the news should
do, which is to bring the truth

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as soon as you can. He
apparently was offered or somebody, one of

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the executive producers sent him a comb
and scissors cut his hair. I'm glad

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that he didn't. He looked glad
that he didn't. Yeah, it was

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love that, but he's got that
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scene where he's you know, secretly
filming, Yeah, the accident. It

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was a great touch, and you
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Okay, are we doing this and
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A lot of a lot of nonverbals
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just the speaking of his intensity there
towards the end, man, when he's

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banging on the glass, you know
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Oh my gosh, you that was
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before we really dive into more of
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little bit about Jack Lemons at Jack
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bit earlier, you know that I
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this. You know, his character
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get that vibe at first while you
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you thought this was going to be
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it turns out no, it is, but Jack Godell played by Jack Lemon,

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it really becomes his story man,
and just how tragic it is because

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when we see him at home it
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you know, he lives alone.
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news report that at the one time
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drink. Yeah. Yeah. I
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you know, he's getting chased and he

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gets back to the power plant,
and like, nobody wants to believe in

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man, nobody was backing him up. He was all by himself. Finally

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somebody does what's his name, uh
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finally does at the end, but
it's like, come on, I

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felt so bad for his character.
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bring up a great friendship and a
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I got kind of military vibes from
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expressly said it in the movie,
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you know, probably had some military
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pursuing this career, right because he
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he's not afraid to ask other people
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manage the room. Right. On
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played by Wilford Brimley, who is
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a you know, this is my
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going to take it seriously. I
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know that my butt's on the line
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I need this job. I'm not
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I'm going to sacrifice other people's safety
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I want to make the right decisions
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working. You can tell that they
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that they've been together for a while, that they work together really, really

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well. And the ending scene with
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those lines and his willingness to stand
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say in that same moment where you
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and I was so proud of him
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I think when Jack makes the decision
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in the control room, I was
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part of Jack's plan, but he
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I think so probably been a voice
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with that, and just that that
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we can, I mean, we
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This film is for it. It's
years celeb spoiler alert boom rented. This

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was my first time watching this,
Scott, I don't know about you.

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Yeah, so it's always been on
my list to watch and I just never

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got around to it. And I'm
glad that I had an opportunity to do

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it because we need to do it
for the podcast. But man, I

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gotta tell you when that ending happened. I was gutted, Scott. Yeah,

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when when when Jack Lemon's character gets
killed and then we we go out

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there and it's just it just seemed
like it's all unraveling now and the truth

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is not going to come out,
and then Ted finally stands up, and

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then you know, Kimberlee is,
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She's trying to hold together. Man, that was just one powerful ending,

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man, And what I love too
about it, And you know,

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we can talk about this further when
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score in this movie, right.
I was wondering about that when we're doing

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our prep. I'm like, okay, so the score it hey, uh

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huh to talk about all right,
but you know what, it's a great

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effect. Yes, it totally works. And what I love about the eating

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is how it goes right to the
credits and there's just no music, just

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total silence. And the choice of
that was perfect because they want you as

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a as an audience to really take
the message they just gave you and how

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they ended. They want you to
feel all those emotions that impact and just

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think about it as those credits are
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absolutely, yeah, And I mean
there's a great book ending that they do

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with those color bars. Yes,
right, that's a shock. You're like,

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is it over? It's a black
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happen. Okay, credits are rolling. Like I was surprised with what he

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had done to steal the gun and
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control room. I hate that he
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that's part of where the heartbreak begins. This job does a great job of

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ratcheting up a lot of tension in
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you with this echoing silence and the
bookends of the color bars. It's kind

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of like, you know, does
this just become another story? Right?

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Does this just become another thing that
they cut to you? And that's kind

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of forgotten. Very interesting to think
about watching this movie before through Mile Island

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and then after it feels like it
would leave you sitting there with goosebumps and

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just thinking about how close do you
lived one of those things? Even the

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impact of like with the color bars
and stuff like that before, but when

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you see both screens of going on, you see like the the live stuff

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going on, what's happening at the
nuclear power plant, but then you see

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the commercials, what the audience,
you know, is seeing both of us

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going on at the same time.
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just how powerful that is? Right? Yeah? Well, and I mean

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thinking about if you have a chance
to go out and look for the Ciscil

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and Ebert review of this movie.
It's very interesting because I think they agree

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with us. They both give it
two thumbs up. Before they were doing

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thumbs up, and but you can
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discussion seems like it would be very, very different after that, and I'm

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sure this opened up a lot of
discussions from people. It's you know,

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it became a blockbuster after this because
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it was people's way to digest it. But what makes Jack's arc so

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heartbreaking is that you know how much
he cared about doing a good job about

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the impact of that, and he
came about that plant so much. He

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mentions that, yeah, yeah,
he loved it, Yeah, right,

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it with his life. Yeah,
and not like we this is so fun,

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but like he knew what he was
doing. He was taking it very

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seriously. And the number of things
that can go wrong in that place is

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blank. Yeah. Absolutely, It's
scary, it really is, And that's

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the point of the film. Yeah, the the executives that are kind of

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pulling the strings behind this. Richard
heard McCormick, god scram the son of

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a bitch. It's kind of like, do you even know what you're saying

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right now? I'm sure you understand, And I just you know, setting

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the swat in there, they could
have easily not had to kill him,

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I think, But it's so dramatic
and him leaving like the bloodstains on the

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control boards. Yeah, the end
of the tension you're talking about. You

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don't realise that tension is building until
it's too late. You're like, oh

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my god, I'm on the edge
of my seat and I don't realize it.

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You know, when you're you're waiting
to get that interview started and you

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see the SWAT team is trying to
get in there. They're you know,

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they're trying to get that door unlocked, and it just builds and builds,

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and they keep taking their time to
get the camera up, to get the

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sound right, and it's like,
oh my god, come on right,

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and then they're they're cutting through with
that very slow melting torch and you're like,

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Jack, get there faster. Yeah, I know, it's nerve wrecking.

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I know you're like most tense moment
in your life, but you've got

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to get there faster. I mean, you even see Richard Adams saying,

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come on, say it, say
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one thing to go ahead and say
it so the audience would hear it.

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Yeah, Oh my gosh, it's
just so ridiculously powerful. One of the

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actor I want to bring out is
good old Jeans Karen as mister Tigue.

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As soon as saal Ham, I
thought you left the bodies and you only

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moved the headstones of course. But
yeah, yep, no, I was.

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I was fascinated to see Michael J. Fox's dad from Teen Wolf,

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Oh yeah, in this. I
was waiting for him to just bang out.

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Yeah. They had a lot of
good guests in this, that's for

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sure. Well, let's let's look
through the landst find anything fascinating about this

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film. Uh tons, Apparently if
you're looking for someone on the lighter side

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of all this, Apparently Jane Fond
had an accident on the set, so

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she broke her ankle, which meant
she couldn't take ballet classes anymore, so

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she took up aerobics. That's anybody
who grew up in the eighties, right,

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Jane found his exercise videos up.
Wow. I didn't realize that.

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So we got this movie to think
for that. Huh right exactly the terms.

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Yeah, Like I said before,
I thought it was fascinating to learn

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that he was that Michael Douglas was
a producer of this movie, and how

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much he believed in the the story
and wanting to bring it to life and

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how much say he had in various
aspects of it. And we'll get into

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that with the score. But it's
it seems like it was a very brave

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story to take on and I think
it was done to great effect. And

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I don't think it's okay just to
start of his career on how he was

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able to pull this off as just
crazy the big statement. Yeah, and

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again I don't think it's necessarily saying
like nuclear power plants are inherently evil.

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It's saying it has to be very
carefully managed. Yeah, safety has to

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be a priority. Yeah, what
about you? And this is the biggest

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one I pulled out this And this
is the only movie Jack Lemon where his

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character dies, the only movie he
was in that's in his contract. There

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must be never kill him. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, I just

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a lot of stuff went into this
film to make sure it was done.

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I know they fought over the title
of it, too, did they not.

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Yeah, they didn't call the China
Syndrome because they thought it was just

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confusing title. So they fought over
that one for a little bit. But

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at least, you know, they
kept it because they realized what the meaning

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of it was. Just so many
things went on behind the scenes, but

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I'm glad Michael Douglas was able to, you know, pull this off as

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he did. Yeah, I think
considering the context, you know, of

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Three Mile Island, I think it
was the perfect choice to keep this title,

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even though you know, you're listening
to physicists talk about it and they're

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like, well, it would take
a long time. It wouldn't actually go

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through the core because gravity would take
care of it, but the release of

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the gases and also the kind of
stuff. Yeah, it's it's fascinating.

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Really, there's a lot. I
think one thing to let people know it

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is a very It is a fairly
technical movie. So if you think of

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like Hunt for Red October, I
had to watch that twice to understand what

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was going on because of all the
technical terms that are happening, and also

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the kind of stuff. But not
in a prohibitive way. Right, you

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don't have to have a physics degree
to understand You really don't even have to

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understand the the the inner workings of
a power plant. Right. It takes

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you through in the right way.
It takes you along for the ride,

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and you're just you just know that
the people who are afraid of a worst

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case scenario. Know how impending that
worst case scenario is. Yeah, and

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the steps that they have to go
through to take it. I just hope

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that Evan McCormick never makes another power
plant ever again. Right, Yeah,

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no kidding. I felt when they
were explaining when a nuclear power plant how

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it worked, it really gave me
the scene from Jurassic Park when they're explaining

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the DNA of the dinosaur. That's
what it felt like to me. So

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you do get a little bit of
an education there, that's for sure.

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Exactly. All right, Well,
let's score it, which you know you

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and I have already hinted to this, there is no score to this movie

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because it was really important to Michael
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of this film of what was going
on. And the only music you hear

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in this is what's going on in
the environment. You know, a radio

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in the background, or the television
going on, or a jukebox in the

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bar, whatever it is. That's
the only music that you're going to hear

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is what's actually happening in those scenes. And I thought that was incredibly well

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done. And you're talking and this
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and should think there should always be
one, But in this movie, no,

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I think they made the perfect decision
of not to have a score.

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Yeah, and apparently the score was
written for the movie, yeah, by

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Michael Small, but they never put
it in. I totally agree. I

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think it's a great decision, especially
that end credits. That's usually when you

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hear the you know, some kind
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mournful or something like that. No, leave it quiet because people are going

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to have conversations. Yeah, I
guess I should backtrack a little bit.

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There is one song at the beginning, somewhere in between by Steven Bishop,

409
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:34.559
so that one is there, you
know, but that's it. That's it.

410
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.599
Once the movie starts, it's there
is no more, right, And

411
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:44.960
apparently that was almost what a fool
believes the Doobie Brothers. Yeah, that

412
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.599
would have been a different tone altogether. It would it seems like yacht rock

413
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.039
kind of running scared soundtrack. The
other one not so much. Yeah.

414
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.279
Absolutely, all right, Dave,
Well, I tell you what, let's

415
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:57.440
take a quick break. I know
we've got a lot more to talk about

416
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:03.759
when we get back with China Syndrome. Okay, we're back, Dave.

417
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.119
What do we want to talk about
next? All right, well, let's

418
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.839
quote this, Scott. Did you
find anything interesting? Yeah, there was

419
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:15.440
an interesting quote by Jane Fonda.
She said. On one level, it's

420
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.640
a terrific thriller like Clute she had
made before, which one of the best

421
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:25.480
actress Oscar. But on a deeper
level, The China Syndrome is quite a

422
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:30.319
complex human story about the consequences of
choices. Everyone needs a job, almost

423
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.440
everyone wants to advance. People are
constantly compromised or requested to compromise their ethics

424
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:37.519
and their jobs. I think this
is a movie that we'll speak to a

425
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:42.240
lot of people. Yeah, not
just in the nuclear industry, but thinking

426
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:48.039
about other industries where those kind of
check and balances and quality control, quality

427
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.799
insurance is so necessary. Absolutely,
man, Absolutely, what about you?

428
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.720
I got one from Jack Lemon that
I found, He says, I signed

429
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.519
on for The China Syndrome and then
waited over a year for me to begin.

430
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:05.079
Not only did I get a marvelous
role, but I had the satisfaction

431
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.920
of being part of a film project
that deals with a very dramatic subject and

432
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:13.480
it makes for a very dramatic movie. Mm hm, And he's not kidding.

433
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:17.039
He did get nominated for an Oscar
for this role. He didn't win.

434
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.680
I think It's new got four nominations, Is that correct? I believe,

435
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.119
Yeah, yep, they didn't win
any, but at least it did

436
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:30.039
get nominated. I think uh Kramer
versus Kramer took some oscars, which is

437
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.279
coming up for us to discuss this
year, of course. But Jack Lemon

438
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.960
did an incredible everybody did incredible chop
in this movie. But Jack Lemon just

439
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.839
man. I've always been a big
fan of him, especially the Grumpy Old

440
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:44.400
Men series, but oh yeah,
man, Jack Lemon, just wow,

441
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:46.319
what a greatful role for him.
For sure. You know, I wish

442
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:52.480
I could have found a quote from
Michael Douglas about what flavor his uranium pez

443
00:32:52.680 --> 00:33:00.759
was the black. Seriously, I
was so shocked in that scene, like

444
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:08.319
the James Hampton is holding up this
thing that says, so this keeps the

445
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:15.119
nuclear reactions at bay or basically you
know this is a uranium hellen. So

446
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.400
he takes it, pops it in
his mouth and it's kind of like cradling

447
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.680
it in his mouth, and you're
like, oh, let's pit that out

448
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:28.240
no grow next scene, he's chewing
on it like there will be no China

449
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.119
syndrome too, because that guy's dead
of cancer guaranteed like two days later.

450
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.000
And you're proud of it too,
showing that black tongue. Ah, I

451
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:43.400
know you, I mean didn't it? Did they flavor it? Because like,

452
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:45.119
how would you get through that thing? Anyway? A lot of tangent,

453
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:50.079
right, but you'll know what we're
talking about and when you see that

454
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:55.519
scene exactly. So what ifs.
There are some very interesting what ifs in

455
00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:00.680
this one. I know one that
I saw was Jack Nicholson turned down the

456
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.880
role of Jack Goodell as he was
busy filming The Shining. Yeah. Jack

457
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.400
Nicholson's awesome, but I'm sorry,
Jack Lemon is the perfect role for that

458
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:15.719
one. Yeah. I think his
intensity would have been seen as almost equal

459
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:24.679
or very similar to Michael Douglas's intensity. I don't think he would have gotten

460
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.960
the same kind of empathy that I
think you naturally feel for Jack Cadell.

461
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.000
You talked to before about you know, this is a guy that's on his

462
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:37.800
own and bolooney sandwiches in a soda, watching nightly news, right, but

463
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:44.760
just his sincerity, Jack Nicholson could
have achieved it, But nineteen seventy nine,

464
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.119
Jack Nicholson was thought of in a
very different way, correct, And

465
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:52.320
I just think it would have hit
a little differently. Another what if that

466
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.679
kind of comes on the heels of
our previous episode. What if Jane Fonda

467
00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:06.599
had taken Normal Ray? Would we
have Sally Field replacing her in that's possibile.

468
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:13.079
Yeah, I think it would not
have worked. I think they probably

469
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.039
could. I haven't heard of other
casting decisions there other than having this role

470
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:20.760
originally written as a man, which
we both agree is not a good idea,

471
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:28.079
correct. But I think Jane Fonda
has a certain commanding presence, absolutely

472
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.880
certainly at this point in her career, but inherently the way that she carries

473
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:37.199
this role. I don't think we
would have gotten the same from other actresses

474
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.880
that I can know. No,
I don't think so. And it's funny

475
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:44.440
that you bring up the normal Ray
thing too. I remember how noisy the

476
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:46.960
Textile Mills was so when they were
in the nuclear power plant. It was

477
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.079
ridiculously noisy, and think, oh
wow, it's the textile mill all over

478
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:55.519
a year, right. I hope
our next movie is quieter Dave kidding.

479
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:02.079
I also believe Richard Dreyfus was originally
cast as the cameraman, but he pulled

480
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:06.760
out apparently, and then since Michael
Douglas was producing the film, he decided

481
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.079
to go ahead and take on that
role, which I think was a great

482
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:12.920
decision too. Richard drivers probably could
have done a great job, because you

483
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.199
know, we've seen him in so
many roles that are very similar to this,

484
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.199
but Michael Douglas just really pulled it
off extremely well. Yeah. I

485
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:25.199
think Richard Dreyfus absolutely could have done
it from a dramatic perspective, and I

486
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:32.880
think we'd be so much more focused
on his sarcastic presence yep, and not

487
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:38.000
necessarily like you know, Michael Douglas's
character is probably like, you know,

488
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:43.760
jumping across hoods in a chase scene
or something like that, right sliding across

489
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:47.360
the hood of a car or something. He had a different kind of intensity,

490
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.280
and I think it's an intensity that
we continue to get from Michael Douglas

491
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.800
in his career, and I'm glad
that we had that launching pad. I

492
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:59.599
think Richard Dreyfus had his own opportunities, his own roles where that came out,

493
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.079
but this was definitely it seems to
me like a landmark in Michaelglass's career.

494
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.199
I agree, I agree. All
right, Well, let's let's do

495
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.119
a little bit of a rewind here
and let's talk about some of our favorite

496
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:13.639
scenes in this movie. Scott,
you've got any great scenes you love appreciate

497
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:22.639
aside from the uranium pez secretly filming
the accident I think was pretty a pretty

498
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.599
slick move, just holding that camera
subtly and you know, kind of capturing

499
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:36.159
everything that they had too. Something
that was very intense was when the chase

500
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.159
scenes from the cover up. That
was shocking. Mm hmm. I know,

501
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.280
there's that cautionary tale from the you
know, the guy that doesn't like

502
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.320
X rays and burn them on the
construction site, like you don't know what

503
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.840
you're digging up, These guys will
come after you, and they did.

504
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.480
Yeah. I did not expect Jack
Lemon to be in a chase scene,

505
00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:00.400
but he held his own really really
well. He did. What about you?

506
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.480
So, I mean we already talked
about, you know, several obviously

507
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:06.480
the use of natural sounds and stuff
like that, but one of the things

508
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:10.599
that I really loved was Jack and
Kimberly seen in the bar when Kimberly goes

509
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:14.400
into the bar looking for Richard and
she finds Jack, and you know,

510
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:19.199
some of his coworkers are sitting at
the bar and they automatically know who she

511
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.000
is and stuff like that, so
you know, you think right away Jack's

512
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.559
going to shun her, but instead
he asked her, Hey, you want

513
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.199
to join us, you want to
you want to sit down? And and

514
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.920
she does, and you know,
they start getting into a conversation, and

515
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.760
you know, she's obviously being that
news reporter and she's pro being asking those

516
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.960
questions, you know, was the
public in any danger? But he wouldn't

517
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.079
answer that, you know, so
finally he looks at her nods over to

518
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.320
you know, they go over to
the fireplace there and sit separately from everybody

519
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:47.920
else, and he just starts talking
about his job and stuff like that,

520
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.199
and she kept probing him up,
asking if the public was ever in any

521
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.800
danger, and he just really kept
dancing around it. I love that scene

522
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:59.280
between those two characters, I really
did. Yeah, It's it's such a

523
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:05.440
great reviw of kind of that doubt
worm that's going around in his head.

524
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:10.400
Right, he was so nervous when
the accident was actually happening, trying to

525
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:14.039
go through You could see him with
his you know, his head on the

526
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.119
console, kind of thinking through like
what do I do? What could I

527
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:23.880
have done? When he's in the
investigation and he's getting those questions, you

528
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:30.760
can see him taking personal responsibility for
what's going on and how much that weighs

529
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.639
on him. So then when he
has that sense of relief in that moment

530
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.519
when they finally celebrate, he and
Ted are sitting there at the bar sharing

531
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:44.920
a drink with friends and family,
I guess, and he seems to be

532
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.679
in a pretty happy moment that he's
he's fighting to hold onto as he's talking

533
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:55.480
to to Kimberly, and that doubt
just starts to creep creep, creep creep

534
00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:02.239
in And Yeah, it's it's got
away on him a lot. Yeah,

535
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.119
And that was the point of his
character, It really was. Yeah,

536
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:14.480
Yeah, there there was just Yeah, it's it's a great moment because you

537
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:20.480
can see that that happiness kind of
melting away in him and the doubts start

538
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.800
to take over. Yeah, because
he had that relief that it was all

539
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.440
over, you know, when they
were getting interrogated and stuff. What was

540
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.800
going on. He had that relief
it was all over, and then here

541
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.960
she comes in and puts that doubt
right back into his head again. You

542
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:34.039
know, yeah, you're right right, and that bothers him how much he

543
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:38.159
could he could have done more right, But there's so much that he was

544
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:43.760
doing, and he seemed to be
all on his own, like searching for

545
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.639
the answers, searching for what's wrong, and nobody else wanted to listen,

546
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:52.519
no one. Heartbreaking it is again
going back to that tragic hero that he

547
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:54.639
was in this movie. Man,
it's just it's heartbreaking, it really is

548
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:59.840
to see what his character ended up
and how he ended and what he went

549
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.400
through and just because he cared so
much and loved his job and loved that

550
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.920
power plant and how it just ended
for him, My goodness. Yeah,

551
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:13.360
just ridiculous. Or let's talk about
the impact of this film, Scott.

552
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:16.400
There's so much about this movie that
had an impact on the audience. And

553
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:20.880
you know, we already talked about
what happened twelve days after this film was

554
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.239
released. But you know, there
was either films that would come later down

555
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:28.280
the road from this one. You
know, you would have Silkwood Testament the

556
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:32.559
day after the Atomic Cafe. So
many movies would come after this one that

557
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:38.239
you know, would have similar lots
to this movie. And let's not even

558
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:44.360
forget about the Schnobo disaster in nineteen
eighty six. Yeah, you know,

559
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:46.400
yeah, and I mean one of
the ones that stands out that you mentioned

560
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:52.000
the day after. I don't know
about you, but like every household seemed

561
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.320
to be talking about that movie.
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember people

562
00:41:55.480 --> 00:42:00.960
in their tracks. Yeah, And
I imagine this had a similar effect,

563
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:07.400
right, And it got a lot
of people talking. I think I think

564
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:12.800
I had seen that it. It
didn't necessarily, you know, kill the

565
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:17.719
nuclear industry or anything else like that, but it definitely did create enough conversation

566
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:23.599
to give us some pause, which
I think is beneficial obviously, aside from

567
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.880
the movie. Through My Island naturally
does so because people needed to take more

568
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:34.480
security measures, but it got a
lot more people mindful of it and interested

569
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:39.039
in it, and a way to, you know, for them to kind

570
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:44.440
of enter the conversation with at least
a little bit of context. Yes,

571
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:49.880
there's some embellishment from a Hollywood perspective, of course, but when you see

572
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.000
people that are experts in the field
talking about this movie, there's a lot

573
00:42:54.079 --> 00:43:01.239
of reality in this movie because they
cared enough to make it a realistic story.

574
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:05.960
Yep, I completely agree. And
for those out there, I hope

575
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.920
you've seen this movie before we talk
about it, because I really want the

576
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:13.760
impact of this ending to be fresh. I don't want it to be ruined

577
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.239
for anybody. So I really hope
you saw this movie before you've listened to

578
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:20.760
us talk about it, because with
this being my first time seeing it,

579
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:23.800
man, it's just I'm still thinking
about that ending. Scott, I really

580
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:29.360
am along those lines. Just don't
watch an eclipse, yeah, because you'll

581
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.639
get you'll get an understanding for what
happens. Yeah, but when you see

582
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:36.239
it happen, it's a totally different
thing. It is so definitely dive right

583
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:38.880
into this. Yeah. Where did
you end up catching this one? I

584
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:45.920
actually ended up running it on Amazon
Prime. It couldn't be found anywhere for

585
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.639
me, so I just had to
run it. What about you? Yeah,

586
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.400
I ultimately ended up having to watch
it on Amazon Prime, same kind

587
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:58.599
of idea, although I did get
the handed dandy copy from the library.

588
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.440
Of course, had to do some
travel, so I had to, you

589
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:07.119
know, catch up on it in
a different schedule. But yeah, it's

590
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.559
you know, this is one of
those movies that I think is an interesting

591
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:17.599
moment in time, and I don't
know how much we'll be talking about it

592
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:22.360
forty five years from now. Yeah, I think it'd be a great time

593
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:27.679
to dust this one off, give
it a look, look into what was

594
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:34.400
happening at the time, and give
it a chance, because I think it's

595
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:40.559
a very important milestone in the career
of three amazing actors, and a very

596
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.159
interesting milestone in nineteen seventy nine.
Absolutely, I couldn't agree more with that,

597
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:49.679
Scott, great assessment. Well.
As always, I wanted to thank

598
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:54.400
our listeners. I hope you're enjoying
our little adventure through nineteen seventy nine as

599
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:58.960
much as we are. We have
a lot of great films still coming up

600
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.719
that I know, Scott and I
cannot wait to dig into and explore with

601
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.199
the everyone. But if you want
to leave a comment, discuss what's next,

602
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:09.599
or even have suggestions, you can
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603
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:14.119
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604
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:16.599
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605
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:22.199
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film reels start rolling again, go out,

606
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.880
watch something new, watch something different, and who knows what you'll discover

607
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:30.880
next. Thanks everyone, Thanks,
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608
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:35.920
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609
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:40.000
plant takeover by one of its employees
right after this rollover on the picture,

610
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:46.079
please, I k F two Okay. Incredible timing. Did you did you?

611
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:50.320
Were you anticipating us the end right
or was that just ver timing.

612
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:52.960
I'll just I checked out, like
that's nine o'clock. We'll see how close

613
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:57.119
they are. And then I was
like, oh, they're done dead on.

614
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:00.960
Good job. I just said my
clothing it's perfect, all right.

615
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.800
Did you guys do a promo break? Oh crap, we did not,

616
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.239
Scott, you want to say a
promo break? Sure? Okay, go

617
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ahead, three two one a promo
break. H