A Film at 45: The Warriors with Special Guest Apache Ramos

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I can't believe that we're going to
be forty five years old in February.

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It's like unbelievable. Time is precious, Time is precious. It blows my

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mind. You see what you get, Warriors. You see what you get

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when you mess with the orphans.
Goad on you, warriors, Pious,

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come out to Chainey, Warriors,
come out to Plessy. Hello, everyone,

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and welcome back to another season of
a Film By Its limited series,

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A Film at forty five. I
am David Burns and I'm Scott Hoffman,

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and we're excited to bring you this
limited series from a Film By Podcast to

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talk about an iconic year in movie
history. With a Film at forty five.

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We're dusting off the end of a
decade, the changed cinema forever with

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a fresh look at modern classics and
hidden gems that we can't stop watching.

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Dave, we got a lot to
talk about this year. Can you dig

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it? Oh? I can dig
it. It is good to be back,

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and I hope everyone is they decided
as we are. This time around,

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we are celebrating films from the year
nineteen seventy nine, which are hitting

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our forty fifth anniversary. This year, we are going to immediately start off

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a bang by talking about one of
the top fifty rated cult films of all

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time, The Warriors, based off
the book by soul Yurik, and to

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our delight, joining us for this
conversation and to start our second season is

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none other than one of the orphans
from the film. That's right, folks,

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we have a patchy ramos with us. Apache. Welcome to the podcast.

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Thank you, thank you. You
know, it's an honor to be

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on your show. I'm listening to
you guys, sound great well, Thank

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you, thank you. It's our
honor to have you Apache. Believe me,

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it is, thank you, thank
you. You know. I was

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like saying earlier that I just can't
believe we're going to be forty five years

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old. I think it's February ninth
is our birthday. Yeah, that's why

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why I was twenty four back then. Time is precious. Time is precious,

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It sure is. It is.
Well, when we talked about doing

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one more season for a film of
forty five, we knew that we had

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to start it with the Warriors.
So it is a blessing that we were

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able to get you to join us
to start it off. And you know,

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one of the things that I love
about this film. In any film

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is when you know they are able
to contain a story into a real time

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experience, and that is what this
movie does, and it does it so

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well. Scott, how would you
describe the Warriors for someone who's never seen

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this before? All right, let
me try to do it justice. So,

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like you said, you know,
it's about one fateful night when street

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gangs in New York, including the
Warriors, all gathered together under a Trucian

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van Cortland Park. That's where Cyrus, leader of the Big Apple's biggest gang,

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tries to unite them all and rule
the city. But when the rogues

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shoot Cyrus, they blame the Warriors, who have to run for their lives.

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They have to make it through every
street and the gangs that rule them,

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including the Orphans, the Lizzies,
and the Baseball Furies, just to

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make it home to Coney Island.
It's one of the most stylistic action movies

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ever and we're lucky to have one
of its stars with us today. Apache.

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Just you know, just to start
us off, take us back to

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that time when this movie came out. What was that reaction to it?

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Take you back to the time.
We were still feeling the heat of seventy

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seven because the Summer of Hell in
New York City. We had Son of

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Sam. We filmed the seventy eight
We had Son of Sam as Mania going

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around shooting people. We had the
blackout which wiped out my old neighborhood in

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the Bronx. New York was in
bad shape. The President said, New

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York City go to Hell. It
was a heat, a certain certain heat

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like now they're talking about, Oh, things is so violent now. It

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was a much more violent in the
seventies when I was coming up. I

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was really coming up from the fifties
of the sixties too, but it was

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a different time. You still felt
the heat. And I think when Walt

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the Great waltz Hill filmed The Warriors
in seventy eight, you could still feel

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that that tension in New York City. New York is pretty tense, and

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I think people were afraid. They
talk about the violence in the movie.

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We had protesters, which was like
the best publicity ever. Look at the

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film. It's very mild now,
I mean pretty mild. I think it

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was the concept that scared people,
you know, of all the gangs got

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together, which is how it looked
when I auditioned. Walter had this great

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eye. He would water the sets
down and it just gave the film a

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cert and the music. Come on, you gotta give credit to the music.

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Yeah. Absolutely. You know when
you looked at it, if you

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used to say, well, we're
gonna freak you out with a gang that

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dresses up in baseball uniforms and puts
kiss makeup on it, that doesn't make

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any sense. But visually, oh
my god, it's so beautiful. You

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know. I still love watching it
and every Halloween. Oh, I just

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love when I see a little fury, a little kid dressed up as a

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Fury. Yep, it was Christmas
Gifts on Amazon, and I said,

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for the hell of it, I
looked up Warriors. They're selling Warrior vests

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and orphaned T shirts on Amazon.
We really have become part of pop culture

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big time. I mean, I
remember when Shaq one of the the NBA

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title with the Lakers, and he's
like, can you dig it? You

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know so so many times, and
if I said, We're gonna rain on

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you Warriors one more time that I've
been I've been giving film parts just to

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say that lot again, which is
you know, I don't let the truth

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mess up a good story. But
I still said I was an improv line

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that I did back when we were
waiting for the car to blow it up.

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But you know, like I said, I just turned seventy. You

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got to stop me because I'll just
keep telling you stories. I started out

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as a child, you know.
I was born in Brooklyn, raised in

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the Bronx, and that's why my
blood type is be positive. That's right,

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that good way to look at it. I love it. But you

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were mentioning Walter Hill. You know, he did such a fantastic job with

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this movie and giving it that very
stylish look. And I think if we

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didn't have yeah, just like a
comic book, absolutely yeah, if we

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didn't have that, I don't think
this movie would have been what it is

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to this day, to be honest
with you. The ones that the lady

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that made the costumes, oh my
gosh, she's gonna be so mad at

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me. I forgot her name right
now, But I was the question was

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why did the Orphans has such a
shitty T shirt? You know that's because

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they ran out of money. But
I always, I always, I always

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tell people that, uh, you
know, when I do these interviews that

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The Warriors is the rocky Horror of
gang movies. You know, because I've

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been to places across the country where
they show The Warriors and I'm a guest

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to something and people come dressed up
as the different gangs. And one of

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the best places was that the I
used to go. I don't go so

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much now, but the Corney Island
Film Festival in Coney Island, they would

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show The Warriors at midnight and oh
my god, the people would come in

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and they take it very seriously,
and they know every single line of the

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movie. And I remember one year
one guy comes because they used to ask

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me if I was wearing a wig. They used to burn my ass.

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You know, one of the generators. We're up like three generations with The

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Warriors. Got the people who originally
saw it, You got the who are

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now parents who bring their kids,
and their kids starting to bring their grandkids.

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And you know, when they came
out with the video game, that

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really gave us a whole nother,
a whole other platform. Yes, do

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you realize, fellas, right now, somewhere on this planet, somebody's whipping

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my ass in that video game.
Somewhere how many people can tell you that.

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Uh so that's kind of an honor. But yeah, it's amazing.

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But we got got talk talk I
talked too much. I know, we

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talked about the the style of this
one, and for me, it's it's

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from the beginning, you know,
it looks like another world when you got

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like the Wonder Wheel and you don't
quite know where you are. Uh there

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there's so many places, you know, this could have been a completely different

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movie. But the the style of
the shots, the you talked before about

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kind of wetting down the the sets
and making those look you know, nice

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and crisp and beautiful and all those
colors pop out. It's it's just something

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that draws in, you know,
the lines, the costumes, the director

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of photography, the way they shot
this thing. It's just it's just amazing.

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You can actually feel the heat.
I mean you could really feel there

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was some of the time. You
know, one of the the questions,

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uh, it's a remake. You
know, that's always been a question,

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do do do you want to see
a remake? And I would say about

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eighty percent of the people of the
fans they say absolutely not. And because

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it would be a totally different movie
and I agree with them with that.

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But when I do meet and greets, I always ask people when was the

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first time you saw the Warriors,
because that first time really left an impact

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on that person, and to be
part of that is so special. I

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mean the stories I hear are just
so you know, The Warriors is not

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just a movie to some people,
it really is. It's you know,

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I've met guys who are Vets and
they have their whole basement. I make

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their wives and they shake their heads
and like, yeah, the whole basement

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is Warrior related. You know,
everything is Warriors, you know. And

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but the other guys get a lot
of love. Like I personally love the

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Furies. I mean, we have
a group here in New York called Furies

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Revenge, and it's a bunch of
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Of course, they do all these
charity events and I, you know,

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sometimes I accompany them because they're my
good buddies we have. But I go

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a universal Warrior family here in New
York City. I watch how people see

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them and the connection is made and
how their eyes light up. I mean,

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it's good to be something like that, you know, but good I

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think, well, you know,
What I love about the going back to

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the style is I love how they
kind of did it in chapters where you

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get Lynn Thigpen as the DJ,
the Lady, Sports News, off the

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Street, Boppers, the Baseball Furies
dropped the ball made an error. Our

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friends are on second base and trying
to make it all the way home,

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but the inside word is that the
odds are against them. Stay tuned,

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Boppers, Stay tuned. I love
what the yeah, yeah I have a

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school name. Yeah, very nice, but yeah, I mean I love

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how they set that up and just
kept the story going. You know what

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I was telling Jeff too earlier was
you know, I hadn't seen this movie

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in a very long time, and
when I sit down and watch it,

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it's like, man, this movie
really still holds up. It is just

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fantastic. And it's just by the
time I got to the end again,

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because once it starts, it grabs
you and it does not let go until

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the very end when it when you
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don't get that much for movies,
I'm gonna tell you, but this one

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again, it grabbed me from the
beginning and didn't let go till the end.

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Well, It's like lightning in a
bottle. Right. That's why when

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you know, talking about remaking it
and things like that, and you talk

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about, you know, what was
happening at the time, I feel like

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remaking it would would take it out
of that time period and it's it's a

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window. It would be much more
violent. Let's tell you that, a

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lot more explosions and then that kind
of stuff. I'm sure. Yeah,

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No, I know that they would
do the best to you know, recapture

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it, but I don't know that
you can or that you want to.

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This is something where I feel like, you know, you've got to bring

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it back for like you said,
future generations, to share with kids,

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to share with you know, friends, and and keep going. I mean

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something you just gotta you know,
celebrate as much as you can. And

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one thing about the Warrior cast is
that we are very close cast. I

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mean, we do like each other, and we do hang out, we

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go to dinner and all that stuff. So I want to do a shameless

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plug for my man, the Purple
Fury, Rob Ryder. He has a

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book out about filming The Warriors.
Oh wow, Oh nice Rob, Rob,

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and he's available on Amazon. But
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one of the stunt men. He
was one of the punks. Oh yeah,

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and he was, and he was
the Purple Fury. So this is

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called Purple Fury Rumbling with the Warriors. So he tells it. He talks

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about, uh, when they were
actually filming the Warriors and what they went

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through and stuff like that. No, I haven't read it. I know.

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I feel bad. I haven't read
it. It int innet My attentions,

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man has been he told me a
minute, my attentions man. Ever

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since the internet. I used to
read books all the time. Oh my

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god. But the incident now is
like it's kind of ruined us. Oh

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yeah, I used to know about
ten fifteen girls phone numbers by heart,

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you know, man, I barely
remember mine. And now when I fill

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out things on the computer and you
put what year you were born, you

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got to spin that shit the price, that's right, right. It takes

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a while to get to fifty three. So Apache, how did you become

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an orphan? Okay? That's always
my fun story? Okay, So I

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went to Hampshire College and back and
this is in Amherst, Massachusetts. I've

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never really seen a play, but
I don't want to take you that far

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back, all right. So anyways, I had a professor from Maine and

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his name was Gladden Shock, and
he's just a fantastic And the only writing

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course they had was called playwriting.
So I took a playwriting course, and

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he liked my stuff and he would
come down. He was a fisherman from

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Mainz. He would come down once
a month and read whatever you wrote and

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give you a critic or tell you
to mount it. So I had never

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really seen a play, so he
said, patche you're really far behind.

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He got me an apprenticeship in Napo
Valley, California, doing summer stock.

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I thought I was going to Hollywood, so I spent all my money in

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New York getting high and partying and
shipped buying my heels. It was the

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seventies and finally I get to go
to California and it was just horrible.

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I had to take a bus.
And that's when I got the famous tattoo.

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I have a tattoo I got was
by Loud Tuttle. I had just

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been reading Rolling Stone at that time, in nineteenth it was it nineteen seventy.

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This was nineteen seventy. Yeah,
in nineteen seventy three and I had

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the Rolling Stone and was about the
guy named Loud Tuttle Tattoo Artists. He

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did old janneys jah blah blah,
bah blah. Next thing I know,

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I found myself in front of Loud
Tuttle Tattoo shop and I got a tattoo.

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I wanted to get two power LP
where he's holding the chicken leg with

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the bite the boats around it.
That's what I wanted, but I couldn't

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afford it. So I used to
travel with a Puerto Rican flag on my

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LEVI Jackiet because I'm Puerto Rican,
and so that when I could afford,

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he put it on my arm.
Then I found out from a fan year

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as many years later that that was
the only flag shown in the movie,

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which I thought was good until some
wise ass he said some keyboard warrior.

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No, no, there's there's a
Union Jack somewhere in the audience. So

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I don't know. But anyways,
that gave me a lot of attention from

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a lot of people too for that. But anyways, how did I get

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the park? So I had my
own theater group and blah blah blah doing

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summer stock. I wind up in
Napa Valley, uh, and they gave

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me a broom and I couldn't leave. I spent the money, so I

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learned how to sweep the stage.
And it was the best summer it was

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in Napa Valley. I was living
in a shock and the wineries and we

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would steal the proof props that night
to build our sets. It was a

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real like hippie thing. It was
just you know, peace, love and

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narcotics. It was wonderful summer.
And so then I came back and I

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had my own theater group at the
time, and I had to come back

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to New York because I graduated,
and I wasn't getting anything nothing, So

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I got apart. I was in
a in a play called Armageddon, which

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just about Attica. I don't know
if you guys know. Attica and Stay

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Troopers killed a whole bunch of prisoners
at oh dustin helping. I played one

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of the inmates there. And it
was for the Nation of Mslam's thing,

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which is a whole nother story.
I have so many stories about that.

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But anyways, I wasn't getting anything
and the lady treat Williams restless. Is

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what a great guy he was.
I happened to be dating. His sister

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went to college with me, and
may she rest in peace too, and

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he helped me out a lot.
He was playing Danny Zuko on Broadway and

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that's the first time I met him. What a great man he was and

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his girl, my actress, got
me an agent, as you were sending

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me from things. But I wasn't
the I wasn't what they were looking for.

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Never you know, I was a
third generation Puerto Rican. My mother

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and father were born in Arlem in
Spanish Arlumn. You know. I wasn't

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from the island that way, so
I didn't have that accent that they wanted

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for these commercials, uh the way
to were portraying you in the seventies,

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you know. So I wasn't getting
anything. And then finally, you know,

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audition for the state called the Warriors. The agent sent me. So

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I go to Paramount Picture and it
looked just like the gang scene in the

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movie, all these guys out there. Now I'm from the Boogie Down Bronx.

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Okay, so I know gangs.
I knew the Black Space, the

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Savage Skulls. You know. I
know real gangs, you know, because

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I grew up there as my hometown
and so I didn't give a ship.

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I had a pair of shorts,
a black T shirt with silver letters.

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I've been rejected so many times,
so I had my my resume, my

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black T shirt that said Bronx.
I had my eight by tens and h

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in a bottle of rum. Yeah. So I go to the audition.

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I see all these fucking people walking
around. I'm sorry, see all these

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guys walking around and stuff. And
this white guy sits next to me and

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he's you know, he's talking.
I take a sip, so you want

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to sip. He doesn't want to
sip. You want to sip, You

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don't want to sip. We talk
in a long time and then you know,

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he disappears, then a little later
to finally get to me a patchie

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ramo. So I get up to
go through my thing and that white guy

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was Walter Hill and he hired me
on the spot. I didn't I didn't

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say a word. He was like
a patchy. He's so real. I

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wish I had met you sooner.
But I have this small part which you

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play it. And it was and
I said, of course, as it

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was the pop polish he was at
the time. And I took the part

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and Uh. It changed my life
and so in so many ways. And

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that's how I got the orphant number
two uh part. And and I'm a

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video game. I'm called JESSI,
which I found out because I used to

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put all my money in the jukebox. I never played video games. I

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never really got past part until my
daughter was boarded and then I would play

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one of those games were there.
But yeah, so that's how I got

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that part. And it was it
was. It was a blessing that I

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didn't know at the time. But
look, I'm still eating off it.

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I still get a residual. It's
not a lot of money, but it's

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a residual. It has my old
mother's address in the Bronx. I used

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to use that as an address,
and it's just nice to be reminded.

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And then through the years, it's
it's gained like I could tell, like

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what you know, I wasn't invited, wasn't invited to any premiers or anything

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like that. You know, you
did your job and you got upset,

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okay, And that's the funny thing. Paul Greco, May he rest in

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peace. What a great guy he
was. He did a lot of stuff.

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Paul Grico and him and I hit
it off immediately. So he was

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orphant number one and I was working
for two. So Walter wouldn't let us

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see what We didn't have a chance
to see who the warriors were. We

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had an idea of who they were
with the script, and we knew that

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they were the stars and that we
were you know, shit ordered, so

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we knew. So I couldn't wait
to see them and me coming from the

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Bronx. I think he was from
Brooklyn, I'm not sure. And the

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first time we saw them, we
were cracking up because they did not look

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tough to us at all, you
know, they did not look Michael back

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with the flowing the air and the
costumes looked weird. So it was just

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it was just weird. But we
worked and we hit it off. I

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mean we hit it off. And
one thing I could say is like,

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it's really I didn't get I didn't
really pay attention, you know. Once

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I did it and got paid,
then I went on to other things,

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sure, like you know, working
with New Addition and Bobby Brown and all

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these people. But I didn't think
nothing of it. And then it started

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growing, The popularity started growing,
and then when I had a daughter.

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Then as she got older, she
started realizing something about the Warriors. And

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then thanks to w. Van Volkenberg
WV, she's the one and me to

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these meeting greets and I go,
what are you talking about? She goes,

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people will pay you for your autograph
they went, and I was like,

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really, I'm an orphan number two. Nobody gives us ship. Yeah,

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we do, and we do it
found out. So I was totally

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unprepared. And people were bringing me
posters and stuff to sign and and and

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handing me money, and I was
like, whoa, what a country?

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Yeah, this is wonderful. I
love it. But it was really showing

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me the love that people had for
the film, just and they would tell

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me about the film. So I
always said, when was the first time

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you saw the Warriors? Stories of
For example, a guy would say to

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me, you know, my mother
and father weren't together, but my father

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came and told my mother was taking
me to see Leading the Tramp, but

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instead he took me to see the
Warriors. And you know, the bonded

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of a sentence and when when when
Swann through that lots of cocktail it to

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a patche and you showed that face
he used to laugh so hard. I

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wish he was still here and met
you because he you know, I would

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hear shit like that, you know, so it would be you know,

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it's just more than a movie to
some people, and it's blessing to be

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part of that, you know.
And I think about all the stuff I

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got rejected for it, and nobody
knows what they are. They know the

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warriors. The other day, I
have a page Facebook my daughter. That's

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another thing. My daughter is my
manager. Before she got married, she

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started getting involved in in She's done
a few films too. So she goes,

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Dad, stop signing stuff. And
I go, what do you mean.

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She goes, I know you mean. Well, but when people send

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you stuff and you sign it,
they're selling it on eBay. And I

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didn't know what eBay was, so
I said, okay, I we'll do

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it. So I would take her
to these events with me, and my

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daughter happens to be very good looking, so it helped a lot. And

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she would say, Dad, you
just be yourself, tell you stories and

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let me take care of the business. And she did, and she goes,

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oh, my father will take a
picture with you with this. We'll

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do this. Well, I was
just signing. Shit. I just really

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didn't think of it that way.
And then she said that you're on a

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missing artist list, you know,
because after the Warriors, I didn't do

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anything after that in terms of acting, and they had a SAG had a

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fun for missing artists, and so
I didn't really believe it. And I

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and I said, okay, if
you give me that money, then you

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can be my manager. And she
got me the money. It was like

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six dollars. It was a big
hug. Yeah. So and ever since

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then then she she gets to be
parted. So through Facebook when she got

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married and was having my grandchildren,
Hendrix is my grandson after Jimmy, and

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my granddaughter's name is Santana after Carlos. Okay, that's awesome, well done,

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well done. She she negotiates all
these little little things for me because

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I don't know this world. It's
the world has changed. So she guides

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me through this. Yeah you guys
me through this, but yeah and oh

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yeah, So through Facebook, she
says, there's this thing called Facebook.

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So I was like, how do
you make friends? She goes that people

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are always looking for you, but
I don't know who's who. So she

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said, just put your name out
there. I put my name out there,

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and boom, I started getting parts
and people I went to elementary school.

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It was just it became a wonderful
thing. And I'm in a movie

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now with mel Brooks on Amazon Prime
and shameless self promotion Amazon. On Amazon

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Prime. It's called The Automat with
mel Brooks and Ruth Bader Ginsberg and General

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Colin Powell and Rob Reiner. And
it's also on Amazon. And I got

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it through Facebook most of the because
I wrote a story about this place called

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the Automat and got beat out the
governor of Pennsylvania. So you got to

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see that New York is and Philadelphia's
used to eat from the nineteen hundreds until

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nineteen ninety four when they all closed
down. But it's a good story,

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so you should check it out.
It's a told New York Philadelphia story.

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But I think we took it on
tour. It did very well. It

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was also a TCM TCM So yeah, any other questions for your warrior scenes?

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How long were you on set to
film those? You know, somebody

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else asked me that, and I
don't remember. I've gone in my mind.

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I think I think we did it
in like three nights or four nights.

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I think we did it because we
shoot in two different places. None

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of them in the Bronx. It's
supposed to be the Bronx. None of

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the Bronx was in Long Island City
and one was in Brooklyn. When we

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make the turn, went Brooklyn.
When they throw the mouts off cocktail at

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me, So rude. Michael Beck, so rude, I go back.

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Is one of the nicest human beings
on the planet. He's a sweetheart of

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a man. I mean, my
daughter adores h him. We've been on

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tour, you know, we've done
different events together, and he is so

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funny. I have a bunch of
orphans. I have a crew, Robert

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Santana and David Goody, who gave
me an orphans page. They do my

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banners. They do all these things, and my banners they make. They

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do such a good job. It's
bigger than the Warriors. So Torsi and

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David Harris, my bros. And
Michael Beck. They make fun of me

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and they go. You know,
nobody gave a ship about the Warriors until

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the Patchy joined us, right,
the Warriors. But they's just great sports.

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We love hanging out. Uh d
D The Vegan. You gotta have

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her on your show. She's she's
very, very great in Wanda, one

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of the other Lizzies. So we're
the B Squad. We build ourselves as

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the B Squad, and it's all
based on the promoters. You know.

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The promoters of course want the warriors, you know, but I haven't met

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all the warriors, like I never
met rest in Peace, Ren Brandt,

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and I never met a cowboy as
you only meet the people that you were

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on set with, you know,
So people surprised when they when they talk

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about that. To me, it's
like, I'll always be I think I

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was twenty four. I'll always be
twenty four. And I look at myself

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and the thing I get the most
is, wow, you look taller on

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screen. You look yeah, but
the way he filmed it is. And

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the music, Yeah, the music
is phenomenon. But go ahead, I'm

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running out of the stories. W
Yeah. No, speaking of the music,

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I mean we can just roll right
into that. I mean, I

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believe that was composer was a Barry
d Orson. I believe is who composed

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you know. I believe it was
like the first music score sympathized for rock

409
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:10.039
and roll. I believe The Warriors
was and it works. Yeah, and

410
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:11.680
it works so well in that movie, you know, except for the final

411
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:17.039
closing song, of course. But
yeah, I thought the music matched this

412
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:22.240
movie perfectly. The only film where
you could bring a knife to a gunfight.

413
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:30.079
Yeah, that's right and come out
on top exactly. No, Yeah,

414
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.759
I mean, you know it's that
you can see with the the way

415
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.039
the scenes are shot and the music, it reminds me of Escape from New

416
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.720
York, right. You can see
the influence and a lot of movies that

417
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.839
follow this, and that's one of
the things, like, you know,

418
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.559
you show us that great art you're
getting from fans. You see the people

419
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.119
that are that are coming in they
want to meet the B Squad. I

420
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.400
mean obviously the Warriors are the big
names on all the autographs. Yeah.

421
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:00.720
I did to the theater, which
is a big event here the East Coast

422
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.640
in Jersey. I get to do
it every once in a while, you

423
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.799
know, and one guy came in
with forty five vests you know, to

424
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:15.039
sign wow people just even other you
know. I have a friend of mine,

425
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.240
I call him the Mayor of Rock
and Roll, and he was in

426
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.839
OZ and he you know, the
TV series OZ he goes man, I

427
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:25.640
would give that up in a minute
to work with Walter Hill, to be

428
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:30.480
the Warriors. It's like such a
badge of courage to have been just part

429
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.039
of it, just part of it. And the Warriors really suffered, you

430
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:38.559
know when you get to talk to
them and how they went through. I

431
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:44.680
mean, Debbie broke her arm during
the thing. At one point you see

432
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.640
her with the Levi jacket. It's
just the cast in her arm, you

433
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.640
know, right, And they really
suffered. I've heard some of this.

434
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.720
Oh, we did a thing the
thirty fifth anniversary in Coney Island. We

435
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.279
had over five thousand people show up
that day. It was amazing. It

436
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.480
was a hot summer day and people
came for the thirty fifth anniversary. I

437
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.640
lost my voice because people always want
me to say we're gonna rain on you.

438
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:12.720
It never has too much for we
ain't gotten on. Yeah, that's

439
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:22.839
right. And now I'm currently doing
a a slasher film and this is I

440
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.240
got it through a Facebook. I
don't even audition anybody. I says,

441
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:32.119
Hollywood is not calling me, Okay, this is my term is calling me.

442
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:40.000
But HollyHood is calling me to work
with all these young great filmmakers in

443
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.599
New York City that just go,
well, you be in my film?

444
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.160
I say, sure, why not? I'm mean retired now and I love

445
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.920
helping and being part of that whole
scene, and I get a lot of

446
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:56.160
love and respect and from doing these
different slasher film I'm doing with the Latina

447
00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:02.279
Queen of Gore, Cindy's Sinabria.
Uh, uh sent me a trailer yesterday

448
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:07.160
while I was I'm a big UFC
fan and I was in the UFC and

449
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:12.880
the and the Packers last night,
and uh, she sent me a trailer

450
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.400
and she's the Latina Queen of Gore. I play uh now, I play

451
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:25.160
old retired guys. And then uh, another filmmaker ts uh, we did

452
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.279
Orchard Beach. Orchard Beach is like
the Riviera, the Bronx Riviera. It

453
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.759
was kind of a rip off of
Jaws Do Going to Water. It was

454
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:40.480
a zombie film and uh oh,
the Vamp Vamp Biker's Trilogy is on toov.

455
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.400
The Vamp Biker's Trilogy is uh.
I got to work with real New

456
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:52.079
York City bikers from Brooklyn and uh
it was bikers versus vampires, and I

457
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.720
played, of course the guy that's
about to retire Detectivey has to find out

458
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.519
why these vampires are killing these bikers
and it turned into a trilogy. His

459
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:07.519
three films. He won Best Film
Coney Island Film Festival and it's it's on

460
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:09.799
TB now. It's called The Van
Bikers, so you get and there's some

461
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:15.039
interesting people in that film. In
one of the trilogies, there's a screaming

462
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:22.240
Rachel out of Chicago who owns track
records, and uh, the guy Michael

463
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:28.119
Alec, the party Monster. Remember
he was part of that crew. He

464
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.079
killed his drug dealer right after he
came out of jail. They got him

465
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.480
in the film. I didn't do
any scenes with that guy. He recently

466
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.480
over, so I don't think he's
around there. You get a chance.

467
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.319
It's on tubious for free check absolutely. Speaking of some of your current works,

468
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.960
I watched your one of your films
recently, High and Tight. Yeah,

469
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:52.359
talk about that too. I didn't
mention it. Where did you see

470
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.039
it? Powerful? I saw it
on Vimeo. Did you see it?

471
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:59.680
I thought it over the weekend on
Saturday. Really yeah, yeah, I

472
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.640
loved I love it. That was
such a powerful performance. I gotta tell

473
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:07.320
you the I don't want to spoil
too much to watch. But yeah,

474
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:12.360
you know there's there's there's family aspect
to that, and there's a lot of

475
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:16.320
there's a lot of pain in that
performance. And man, it just it

476
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:22.039
gives me goosebumps. Thank you so
much. You know, I was gonna

477
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.039
mention it, but I know it
was on It was on Amazon for about

478
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:28.199
three or four years, and then
I went to show somebody one day.

479
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.119
It wasn't that I was all hurt, so I thought it was gone.

480
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.400
And thank you man, Oh you
made my handstand. That was a hard

481
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:40.280
uh hard piece to do, you
know. Uh. The director in fact,

482
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:45.840
he just called me that the other
day. But I had to really

483
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:52.440
put myself someplace where when to be
you know, it was it was a

484
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.920
hard thing. At the end,
I'm supposed to cry. I just couldn't

485
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.000
cry. And something came out something
like in me. He came out that

486
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.840
that when I had the blade on
his throat, you know it really I

487
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.199
felt it. And he was he
was from the Yiddish theater and I can't

488
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.519
think of his name right now,
but he was from the Yiddish theater and

489
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.960
he had I think it was a
series of strokes before I had met him,

490
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:21.880
so he was you know, he
was self medicating in the movie,

491
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:28.320
but you know, he was really
struggling and he was really really The funny

492
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:32.000
part about that movie was they used
the stunt guy to cut the hair because

493
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:37.000
I didn't want to really touch is
it really? Is it really a patch

494
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:43.400
cut in the hair? I didn't
want to I didn't want to touch that

495
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.039
air it was it was, It
was really nasty. So I did have

496
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:55.079
a stunt guy. Thank you so
much for saying that. Oh you made

497
00:35:55.119 --> 00:36:00.920
my day, because I was very
proud of that piece. And if you

498
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.159
talk to is it is it Louis
Severa? Is that the director who did

499
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.880
that? Yeah, if you talk
to him, tell him kudos to the

500
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:09.920
directing style. I do little pieces
here and there of my own directing.

501
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.079
And when I was watching some of
his shots, like those static shots,

502
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:16.440
which were very atmospheric, I'm like, man, that's kind of shot I

503
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:20.199
would have gone after. I love
his work. Just seeing that, I'm

504
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.960
like, I'm a fan already.
Yeah, we were. We were.

505
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:28.840
We worked in a real barbershop in
Jersey, real old fashioned barbershop, and

506
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:34.960
the guy had a lot of old
Yankee paraphernalia in the barbershop. And uh,

507
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:43.000
you really felt the whole barbier thing. And uh, you man,

508
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.599
you made my day. Bro,
No, I gotta ask you. I

509
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:51.320
love that piece. I'm very proud
of that piece. I can find it.

510
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:53.519
I gotta see if I can find
it now. Yeah, I feel

511
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:59.880
like when I was watching that,
I'll tell Louisa, there's a shot where

512
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:02.679
I can see a little black and
white photo tacked up next to the mirror

513
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:08.280
and it looks like a shot of
you from the Warriors from that time period.

514
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:14.880
Is that right? Was a shot? I know my grandson is in

515
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.760
the picture. My grandson's one of
the just But now I got to look

516
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.079
at it again. It could have
been. It could have been because he

517
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:27.360
wanted some personal photos. But yeah, you'll probably be right. Oh my

518
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:36.519
god, Yeah, I remember that
thing coming out of me at the end,

519
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.360
at the very end. Was only
one shot and he was like whoa.

520
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.679
And then everybody looked at me right
after that shot and he said cut.

521
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:45.960
They were like, well, I
just feel that something happened at that

522
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:52.320
moment, you know, And yeah, my hands are still standing. David

523
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.159
Burns, I'm gonna call Louis.
I'll give him the number I got and

524
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.559
he can contact you guys, because
he's doing other things. Please we'd love

525
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.199
to talk to him. Absolutely.
Yeah. Now as a father, I

526
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:09.880
could feel that thank you so much. That that's that emotional build up that

527
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.440
you have. You can feel that
as a dad. And the you know

528
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.519
you talk about like, you know, not crying kind of you know,

529
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.760
keeping it in. That's that's when
it comes the strongest though, you know,

530
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:24.800
that's what he was looking boils up
that just he killed. I had

531
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:29.519
to forgive. I had to forgive. Yeah, you can see it in

532
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:34.920
your performance. You did a wonderful
dog there. Yeah. And I get

533
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:39.840
Louis to call you and uh,
if you want, I'll ask DD to

534
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:44.679
call you, want to call you, if you want any of the guys

535
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.599
to call you. Yeah, because
you know, I always look out for

536
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:52.800
my bet squad members. That's right, the best squads where it's at,

537
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.320
That's right. You can you can
see on Vimeo, like you know,

538
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:59.719
there's that that cover shot, that
beautiful art they got with the silhouettes,

539
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.039
and there's all this acclaim around it. People got to see this, people,

540
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.559
Yes, they do, especially the
fans of the Warriors, because you

541
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:09.400
know they the fans of the Warriors
aren't necessarily people that just kind of see

542
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:12.320
it and they say, oh,
that's a great movie and they kind of

543
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.840
move on like it hits something for
them. Right. It's it's that emotional

544
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.119
connection that all the stylistic pieces of
it that artistically inspire people. You can

545
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.039
see what people have been sending you, right. This one I got for

546
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:27.159
my birthday a couple of years ago. This one is a JB. L

547
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:34.639
speaker. Wow, they use they
use my head as the Ferris wheel.

548
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:39.400
Awesome, you see that. I
love it. Yeah, And the look

549
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:45.960
orphans fantastic, So you know,
I mean people do this. It's not

550
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:52.559
and that's because they're showing up the
hats yep. I mean you're even wearing

551
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.239
a hoodie with orphans. So I
mean, I like, they just made

552
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:57.960
this. This is what they just
made for me. They have the one

553
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:05.280
my tattoo because the the Puerto Rican
flag tattoo was done with Machine Francisco,

554
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:15.079
but the other one was made by
a naked woman named Lois with a needle

555
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:20.880
and thread and uh Indian name.
This one is one of my favorites by

556
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.360
a guy named Clash. He's the
blink King in New York City. And

557
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.480
yeah, and then I'm part of
the Delta Bravo. You ever heard of

558
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:37.880
Delta Bravo. It's by Okay,
Danny O'Connor, you know the group House

559
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:43.199
of Pain. Yeah, yeah,
Danny o'conne is a friend of mine and

560
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:54.440
uh six six and he bought the
outside his house and uh in Tulsa,

561
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:59.559
Oklahoma, where they filled the house, and he flew me into Tulsa.

562
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.559
They showed the movie The Warriors and
flew me in to help make money for

563
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.880
the outside of this house. And
now it's a museum. So it's part

564
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.400
of the Delta Bravo things. So
I helped raise money for The Outsiders.

565
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.320
And uh, that's another good guy
you can have on because that that movie

566
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:17.440
is about forty five years old,
right, the Outsiders. That's good.

567
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:22.599
Yeah, yeah, stay gold.
Pony Boy, pony Boy Boy, yep,

568
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.239
oh yeah. A lot of good
starts in that movie. You a

569
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:30.320
lot of good movies in the seventies. Seventies had some really really that was

570
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.960
that was a really I remember that
those times. It was. It was

571
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:38.000
different. I felt it moral there. But now at my old age,

572
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:44.519
but I'm still I'm still pretty spry
and getting to work with these young filmmakers.

573
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:47.079
Has been so much fun. But
you made my fucking day when you

574
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:53.320
remember that movie because I worked so
hard on that movie. That was I'm

575
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:58.280
glad and it's some vi Vimeo you
said, yep, yep, yep,

576
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.119
that's one of the places people catch
it. Yeah, we'll share a link.

577
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.480
Yeah, we'll put it with this
with this podcast. Who her buddy

578
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:09.119
has it? Oh yeah, absolutely, all right. You want some dirt,

579
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:14.199
Let's get some dirt. You want
some dirt. We love some dirt.

580
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.039
But no, actually we I'm waiting. I was talking to DV other

581
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:23.440
day. One of the Lizzies,
she's the vegetarian. We have so much

582
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:30.119
fun together because her and I a
lot different, you know, and she

583
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.159
is so sweet. The Lizzie's sweet. But you gotta watch them. They're

584
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.159
packed. Wanda. I do a
lot of traveling with Wanda when we do

585
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:45.440
shows. Wanda, she's the one
that that she became a mean you know,

586
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.440
you can tell your girls Puerto Rican, you know, because she gots

587
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.400
the knife to coach cheese his throat. Yep, I caught a picture.

588
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:57.719
We got some awards at the on
forty second Street, the cast. We

589
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.199
got an award for something about fighting
or movies or something, and I caught

590
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:07.400
a moment with her and David Harris
hugging each other, and I'll send it

591
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.840
to you guys. I'll look for
him and send it. But in reality,

592
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:15.000
we we you know, we're most
of us are grandparents. Now what

593
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:20.559
do we call it? Thomas Waits
he has a band that that travels in

594
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:25.559
the city, really good band.
So we support each other and it's just

595
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.719
fun. It's fun. I know
that I was a new kid, like

596
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.480
I was one of the first ones
that come from the B squad. And

597
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:37.719
the guys are great. Oh Dorsey, Dorsey Cleon. He you know,

598
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.119
he's been in a lot of things. You know, you can see him

599
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:44.280
in a lot of these drug you
see him, it's like, oh ship,

600
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:50.280
there's Dorsey. But Dorsey Uh.
I think he's retired now. But

601
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:53.960
he worked for Transit in New York
and where we shot the scene one of

602
00:43:54.039 --> 00:44:00.480
the Orphans scenes, the subway on
the L passes it and a bunch of

603
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:07.559
fans wrote Apache lives or something there. So he's Creek called me one day

604
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:15.480
he goes, Pagie, you're still
a bad motherfucker because they're writing your names

605
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:21.559
on rooftops. So I'm like,
oh, yeah, but my real name

606
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.159
is greg greg Ramos, greg ree
rolling Ramos, and uh I got the

607
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:28.480
name. I'm surprised you haven't asked
me. And I got the name of

608
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:32.880
Pagie. But I was the first. I was shorty, pee wee,

609
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.840
little man. All those nicknames and
none of them o Chino was another one

610
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.000
they gave me when I was growing
up. None of them stuck, except

611
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.480
for my mother used to call me
a patchie in the house between us,

612
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.360
so I don't know who she knew
that was a page, but she would

613
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.519
call me a padgie and what time
she said it in front of my friends

614
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:59.079
in a very bad way, and
my response was very negative, and that

615
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:04.880
was it. Yeah, they do
that. They hit a nerve. Yep.

616
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.960
I couldn't get rid of it,
so you know, I kept it.

617
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:13.039
And then I had a tattooed on
my arm by naked Lois. And

618
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.840
then when I started auditioning for things
that I kept it because I would get

619
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:22.559
another look. Besides Greg Ramos.
If you google Gregory Ramos, you get

620
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:28.719
somebody that's I think he's a serial
killer or he killed his parents and oh

621
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:34.159
that's another funny story. It's apache
Ramos is right on Google. On Google,

622
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.719
you know if you look it up. Apache Ramos right so, used

623
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.000
to get top building. Was a
pro wrestler, the Apache Bull Ramos and

624
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.639
he was Jesse the body Venturist tag
team partner and they were Southwest Champions or

625
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:51.880
something like that. Big man,
real native American Apache right So, I

626
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.880
think it was two thousand and eight
when he passed away. He transitioned,

627
00:45:55.360 --> 00:46:05.519
and so my daughter got bombarded with
couldn't go Patras and blah blah blah.

628
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.360
But yeah, there was there's two
Pasi rais Cincinnati. You're in Cincinnati,

629
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:14.519
you said, right, you don't
you have your own Coney Island that's closing

630
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:20.119
over there. We do. Yeah, I just posted that a couple of

631
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:23.159
weeks ago on my You guys got
to get on my page Orphanation. It

632
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:28.480
was started by a fan and it
has turned into just an incredible thing.

633
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:30.599
Right now. I got some crazies
in there. They're just posting old kinds

634
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.519
of ship. But it's a fun
page. Anyways. Uh so, I

635
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:40.760
saw on Coney Island was closing,
and it's like an institution over in Cincinnati.

636
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.519
It's been a big part of your
culture of your city. You know,

637
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.639
and it said Cincinnati was closing,
and they had like two palm trees,

638
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.639
and you know, I said Coney
Island. So I posted on the

639
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:58.320
Orphans page, Oh my god,
to give you proof that people do not

640
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:06.159
read. People are just going insane
on my page, Coney Islands closing.

641
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:12.280
So I was like, yeah,
no, that's Coney Island, Cincinnati.

642
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.440
Yeah. Yeah. So then they
got really upset the nerve, you know,

643
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:22.320
you know, you know, you
know how we are in the Empire

644
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:27.159
state right right, you know,
Apache, we we have a segment on

645
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:30.280
here that we always talk about the
impact that a film has on the film

646
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:36.840
industry, the fans. Literally everything
you have just shown us that fans have

647
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.719
done for you, that fans have
given you, that fans have done out

648
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:45.800
of their own pockets. That shows
you right there, the impact that you

649
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:51.159
have had on the fans and the
industry. And you should be proud of

650
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.239
that. Man, so proud of
it. Yeah, I'm so so proud

651
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:58.840
of it. I mean, like
I told you, it's funny that that's

652
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.599
the part I got the and I
gave a shit about so much that I

653
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:08.760
just really didn't care anymore. My
feelings were hurt. I sucked, They

654
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:13.639
said, I sucked over and over
again. There's nothing worse than going to

655
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.360
auditions, you know, when you
first start out. And now my grandson

656
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:23.400
he has the fro, so I
always says he wants to grow the frow

657
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:28.559
like Grandpa. So he goes.
But now he's gotten big enough to wear

658
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.119
my old sweatshirts. So he's been
through a few autograph sessions with me,

659
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.840
so he knows what's happening. But
he wore a couple of my sweatshirts to

660
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.039
school and two of his teachers approached
him and it's like, what do you

661
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:45.119
know about the Warriors? Like I
show you, what do you know?

662
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:50.119
So he wore them to school and
what do you know about the warriors?

663
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.760
And he goes, my Grandpa's in
it. That's how I know. I

664
00:48:53.880 --> 00:49:00.840
got two letters from his teachers to
ask for autographs. Really a little funny,

665
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.559
but how how cool is it that
somebody wants to autograph? I mean,

666
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:08.920
and no brag this fact. I
have the best best tag because I've

667
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:12.800
been doing mine for a long time. And it's an arrow that I do.

668
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:19.199
You've probably seen it someplace, but
it's a lot of fun. It's

669
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.199
it's really a lot of fun.
But the Automat. I want you to

670
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.480
see the Automat now. I went
on at this is just a documentary on

671
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:31.039
New York City and how we used
to eat and how. In fact,

672
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:36.519
the woman that did it, Lisa
Herwitz, she is not a New Yorker.

673
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.360
She's just a Jewish girl from the
West Coast that was fascinated by the

674
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.079
automats. And it took her six
seven years to make the movie. And

675
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:50.440
when mel Brooks heard about it,
he actually wrote a song for He said,

676
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:53.280
what do you know about the Automat? He said, you're like eleven

677
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:58.320
years old, what do you know
about the Automat? And mel Brooks can

678
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.159
tell the story and just make you
laugh. It was like he says,

679
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:12.599
the coconut cream pie was made by
God. Yeah, but yeah, I'm

680
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.559
very proud of that piece too,
especially when she told me I beat out

681
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:21.760
the governor of Pennsylvania. That's even
better. Yeah. But everything about the

682
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:28.400
warriors, the dress, the style, the I can be anywhere, like

683
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.559
in a bar or something like that, and you know, the warrior thing

684
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:37.800
comes up, I'll get free drinking. It's it's such an honor to be

685
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.239
part of it, as opposed to
the number one movie in nineteen seventy nine

686
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:44.800
was Kramer Versus Cramer. Also,
The Wanderers came out, you know,

687
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:47.039
The Wanderers. Yeah, yeah,
I was hanging out. I was hanging

688
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:51.079
out with Tony the other day.
That the other day, like six months

689
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.239
ago, we did a thing together, the guy that plays Meat and Porky's

690
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:58.440
too. Yeah, he's a great
guy. We got a lot of these

691
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.079
shows. We meet a lot of
people, you know, a lot of

692
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:02.280
cons and things like that. And
I got to tell you, you know,

693
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:06.400
from one of the fans from the
other side of the table, you

694
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.039
know, getting that signature, that's
that's proof of the experience. That's what

695
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:12.760
you get to take home, right, But what you really go for there

696
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.960
is the depth and the history and
the stories behind this. I mean there's

697
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:20.239
you know, there's a ton of
people you can talk to, there's a

698
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.800
ton of books you can read,
but there are things that you're just not

699
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.639
going to get unless you meet the
people that were really there, yeh,

700
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:30.440
telling you about it, telling you
about how it really was. So no,

701
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.559
we appreciate you doing that. Yeah, absolutely, Oh man, I've

702
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.760
gotten to meet so many great people
because of this. You get the better

703
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:42.519
for the doubt when you're the warriors. I just want to do I'm looking

704
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.960
for So here we go. Now. Remember remember we were talking about Louis

705
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:51.360
Savera. Yeah, okay, I'm
gonna tape you right now. Send it

706
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:55.199
to Louis because he would love to
hear this. Louis, I'm doing this

707
00:51:55.440 --> 00:52:00.360
podcast, and let me see who
was it? David Burns. Ye,

708
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:05.599
so high and tight, and what
did you think of it? David absolutely

709
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:07.400
loved it. And coming from a
director of myself, I don't do nothing

710
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:12.400
like you, but your shots,
your static shots, your atmospheric shots.

711
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.920
Loved all of it. You've got
a great potential, great career coming up

712
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:22.440
for sure. Yes, yeh that
so. I was so shocked when he's

713
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.639
so high and tired. I didn't
know what I'm Vivie. Oh yea,

714
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:29.960
all right, I'll send that to
Lewis and he can get in touch with

715
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.559
you guys, because I know he
does a lot of stuff. He's doing

716
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:38.079
commercial stuff now. But U yeah, he he he geeked out. When

717
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:42.400
he asked me to do the part, he went through my daughter and he

718
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.719
sent her the script and he goes, this part would be your father would

719
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:49.480
just be to this part and blah
blah blah, and my daughter said,

720
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:51.679
Dad, you can do it.
I said, I'll do it. Yeah.

721
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.840
Yeah, we saw it, absolutely
we did and loved it. Yeah,

722
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:00.920
and for our for our fare list, go watch that film because you

723
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:05.199
will enjoy it mentally. Yeah.
Oh my god, it's a video.

724
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:12.880
So let me see what else about
The Warriors. Oh? I was a

725
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:17.760
social okay, besides being an artist. I used to road manage the Fat

726
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:21.000
Boys, and I road manage the
Fat Boys. I don't know if you

727
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:27.880
remember the Fat Boys. Yeah,
oh, oh you can eat. I

728
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.559
took the Fat Boys fifty cities in
twenty five days, you know. And

729
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:36.039
uh, uh what was my point? There was a point. But I

730
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.519
used to work with the Fat Boys. I worked. Oh all right,

731
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:44.519
So I was in the record business
after I did The Warriors. A friend

732
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.679
of mine, author banker, very
famous producer now, was one of my

733
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:52.280
roommates in college. And uh,
he said, a patch, you wanted

734
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:54.079
to be in the record business.
Sure. I was working in Bloomingdale's and

735
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:58.880
loading docks at the time. Union
job, really nice job, but it

736
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:05.239
wasn't acting. It was what I
wanted to do, so I said sure.

737
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:07.559
So next thing, I know,
I'm picking and packing records in a

738
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:10.960
warehouse in Long Island City, which
is definitely what I didn't want to do,

739
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.400
you know, especially what I had
just started seeing in Long Island City,

740
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:20.039
uh not previously that so but from
there I learned about forty fives and

741
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:22.719
I learned about the record labels,
and then I started getting invited to these

742
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:28.440
record parties and then author and then
I became a national salesman. But I

743
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.239
would sell records, all the hit
records to all the retail stores, in

744
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:37.800
record retail stores back in the day
we had them. So then he eventually

745
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:43.719
started a record label called street Wise
Records and got a demo tape from a

746
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:50.000
producer in Boston from these kids in
the projects, and we put the record

747
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:52.239
out. It was called Candy Girl, and it was a new addition.

748
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:58.320
Oh wow, it blew up.
Bro it blew up. So I was

749
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:04.639
like, uh, I didn't have
to pay for anything backstage all the time.

750
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:07.440
I did a and R work for
the label, and I had all

751
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.639
these demo tapes from all these kids
from all over the country. I just

752
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.199
my daughter calls me Forrest Gump,
the Puerto Rican Forest Gump, because I've

753
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:21.639
been places that a New Edition blew
up and I was a New Addition.

754
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.480
I signed artists like Colonel Abrams.
I worked with Ready for the World,

755
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:30.039
I worked with Earth the Kit.
I worked with all these different groups and

756
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:36.400
bands and and we were the top
record independent. This is when independent record

757
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:42.519
labels ruled, and uh I came
to work one day and the record label

758
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.199
was closed. We went from the
hottest record label to his clothes and I'm

759
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:49.880
like, oh my god. So
when they say number one with a bullet,

760
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.559
they're not playing. The record business
is really dirty action. I'm not

761
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.719
going to tell you all the dirt
behind that, but anyways, the management

762
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:58.400
team of New Edition hired me.
They liked the work, so I got

763
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:02.519
to be with New Addition still from
the beginning with Canny Girl and then Bobby

764
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:06.639
broke off. Then we had a
group from Flint, Michigan called Ready for

765
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:12.280
the World and they had a number
one hit with O'shiela Yep Yep. And

766
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:16.239
then I had Colonel Abrams. Music
is the Answer. So I was going

767
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:21.440
to a lot of black record label
stuff. I have plenty awards, I

768
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:25.000
have this is like one of my
favorite oh my gold records, and some

769
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:30.800
warehouse somewhere but this was Kelly Isley
Award for my I got it from Jack

770
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:35.679
the rapper who no longer exists.
But I got this in nineteen eighty six,

771
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:42.920
August sixteenth as the Kelly Eisley Award
from my outstanding total involvement in Black

772
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:46.000
radio and Black music at the Family
Affair at Land in Georgia. Kelly Eisley

773
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:50.599
is born on Christmas Day and I'm
born on Christmas Eve. Coincidence, I

774
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:58.760
think not. But so I got
this fabulous state were I was so fabulous.

775
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:00.519
I didn't have to pay for anything. There was a lot of cocaine

776
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:06.519
involved. There was just a lot
of madness record business. And then this

777
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:10.199
woman auditioned for me. I turned
her down and the next thing I know,

778
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:16.159
I'm gonna be a father. That
changed everything. And the last my

779
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:21.360
last days in the record business was
the Fat Boys fifty cities in twenty five

780
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:23.639
days. Everywhere we went we had
to have food with the Fat Boys.

781
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:28.440
It was like being with the Black
Three Stooges. Just had just a wonderful

782
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.679
time with them. But I was
totally exhausted. Got off to it,

783
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:35.239
had this new baby girl, had
enough money to live for a while.

784
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:39.800
My wife at the time was was
with Sister Sledge and she used to represent

785
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.280
Grandmaster Flash. You heard of him, yeah, oh yeah yeah, And

786
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:52.159
she worked for sugar Hill and the
Sugarhill Gang she represented, So we hit

787
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:54.440
with like a totally music family at
that time. But then I had to

788
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.840
get a real job, because you're
only as good as your last hit,

789
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:00.840
right in the record business. So
I said, fow, you know what,

790
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:05.159
I have a degree. I forgot
about it. So I grew up

791
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:07.599
on public assistance. I grew up
on welfare. So I started working for

792
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:13.519
the city in New York with my
playwriting degree, and they just wanted a

793
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.639
degree, and they waived the residency
law. I was living in Jersey,

794
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:21.800
but I could work in the city
and because of my lifestyle. And there

795
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:24.320
was a thing called grids that was
killing people, and there was a thing

796
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:30.079
and they called it AIDS. And
when I started working for welfare, there

797
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:35.199
was a unit called Division of AIDS
Services. And in nineteen ninety eighty nine,

798
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:39.960
New York was in bad shape with
the AIDS was a killer. So

799
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:46.599
I volunteered to work for that unit, and from nineteen ninety to two thousand

800
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:52.159
I was with the Division of aid
Services and they used to call me mister

801
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:54.960
Ramos, King of Queens before that
show came out. Because I had a

802
00:58:55.000 --> 00:59:00.840
lot of coworkers who were uncomfortable.
They came from countries that were uncomfortable with

803
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:04.519
some of the clients, so they
would trade me to clients and I would

804
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:10.239
wind up with a lot of trans
and and people who lived different lifestyles.

805
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.920
And at that time, my daughter
was singing at the Metropolitan Opera, so

806
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:19.760
I used to go up Eighth Avenue
to take her to the opera for rehearsals,

807
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:22.639
and she was part of the children's
course, and a lot of my

808
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:24.800
clients were hooking, so they would
come up to my daughter and say,

809
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:30.360
you know, mister raymow's my cases
clothes or something like that. And my

810
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:31.519
daughter would look at me and she
goes, dad, is that a boy

811
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:35.800
or girl? And I said that
whatever they want to be. So as

812
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:38.679
my daughter got older, she learned
they would look out for my daughter,

813
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:44.679
and she got a nice education and
learn how to walk in hills with one

814
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:49.400
of my old time favorites, flawless
Sabrina, May she rest in peace.

815
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:52.199
That was the only sad part was
that all my clients passed away because they

816
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:55.599
had full blown AIDS at the time, and it's you know, I'm very

817
00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:00.559
proud of my stuff in the in
the theater and thing and all that,

818
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:07.519
but those are my hardest moments because
I watched people disintegrate for it's yeah,

819
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:09.920
it was it was too much.
But you know what I learned about love,

820
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:15.119
pure love. I learned about courage, pure courage. You know.

821
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:19.079
I went from writing in the limousines, being selfish, doing cocaine, having

822
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:23.000
a good time, to being stuck
in a projects elevator full of piss trying

823
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:27.039
to help somebody with age. You
know. So it really was a big,

824
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:29.639
big transition for me. But you
had to do it. I had

825
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:34.159
to get a real job and with
benefits, with a dental plan, yeah,

826
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.559
for the age unit. And that's
where I really I feel most proud

827
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:43.960
of. And then when my daughter
grew up, I started that, I

828
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.239
started acting again. And here I
am talking to you guys, who's so

829
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:52.360
high inside I'm never gonna get over
there. You guys are my friends of

830
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.000
life. Now good and thank you. Thank you for what you did for

831
01:00:55.079 --> 01:01:00.679
the for the HIV community, for
people that live with that. There's a

832
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:05.239
lot of struggle, especially in those
times you know and it would be an

833
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:09.400
advocate. God bless you for it. Yes, it was horrible because I

834
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:14.280
always felt so guilty because I thought
I should have had it, And that's

835
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:19.079
why I volunteered there and say you're
crazy, and I you know, at

836
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:22.400
that time, my office was on
the seventh floor on thirtieth and eighth Avenue,

837
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.519
right across the street from Madison Square
going and when I touched the seventh

838
01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:30.639
floor co workers in the building which
shun away from me. People were so

839
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:35.039
afraid. Back then, it was
unbelievable how people were afraid, you know.

840
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:40.199
And I wasn't afraid of it.
There's a great scene in in Papillion

841
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:45.079
with Steve McQueen. I don't know
if he did, and he needs the

842
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:49.239
help of the lepers to get off
the island and one of the lepers passes

843
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:53.320
him a cigar and at that time
they didn't know how it was transmitted,

844
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:57.039
and he took the cigar and he
smoked it because he needed that thing.

845
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.320
That's the way I felt. And
I saw so many good people, rich

846
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:05.960
people, poor people. It didn't
matter that virus was was wicked. In

847
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.880
fact, I was so I couldn't
I couldn't watch any films on aids anymore

848
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:15.800
because it burnt me out, it
crushed my shirt. It hurt me really

849
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:21.440
bad. But I was proud of
that. Those are most This was tough.

850
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.320
It was so now I think I'm
getting God's rewards because I'm getting you

851
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:29.760
know, the day I made,
The day I exit stage stage left,

852
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:31.840
I got a whole bunch of queens
waiting for me and got me backstage,

853
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:37.679
that's for sure. Yeah, there
you go. No, I mean,

854
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.400
you know, get you know,
one of the hardest things I've ever did

855
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:45.000
was having the I used to call
it the pest list, but the guest

856
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:51.760
list for a new edition at Madison
Square Guard. Oh my god. I

857
01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:55.480
have so many stories. But it's
been an interesting life. Yeah. Well,

858
01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:59.960
I mean, you know, getting
into like time capsules and things like

859
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:02.039
that. You know, we said
before remaking this, sure it would be

860
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:06.599
possible, somebody could try to do
it, but you're losing a bit of

861
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.360
history there, right, And I
mean there's aspects of this that I was

862
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:14.599
finding out about with the with the
real gangs. Oh yeah, how that

863
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:17.719
was causing chaos on the set.
You know, you talk about that that

864
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:22.199
original poster was powerful enough that people
got scared of the poster if I remember,

865
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:27.280
right, you know, talking about
they outnumber the police five to one,

866
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.039
and people like, whoa hold on, you're putting that on a poster.

867
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:34.840
Yeah, there's there's history behind that
that that you lose I think with

868
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:39.239
a remake versus just kind of honoring
the original and continuing to bring it back

869
01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:44.199
and show it. But yeah,
hearing about the involvement with the real gangs,

870
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:47.480
that would have been rough. And
you know, we were lucky enough

871
01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:52.719
to be part of hip hop history
too because ren brand tagging stuff. Really,

872
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:55.840
because that's what hip hop is,
you know, not just the shows

873
01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:59.079
that they show it. If I
hear one more time, I go out

874
01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:01.199
of my mind a fifth. Yeah, that anniversary of yeah, you showing

875
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:08.159
the same people. Hip hop is
about break dancing, graffiti and rapping and

876
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:12.760
the MC and that's what hip hop
is. But we caught that, you

877
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:16.079
know, that's that's part of the
Warriors. You know, I've been invited

878
01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:20.239
to the Hip Hop Museum in the
Bronx and stuff like that. The Warriors

879
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:26.440
really we came out at a really
interesting time and the fact that they banned

880
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:31.000
us really helped us a lot.
But I have fans from Australia, big

881
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:36.119
famous U k U K loves the
warriors I have I have. I call

882
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:45.880
them the UK orphans, you know. And because when I go walk sometimes

883
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:47.960
because sometimes I go to the meet
and greets and then we'll have a thing

884
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:56.079
where the audience comes and asks questions. Is that people have all felt like

885
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:58.760
an orphan at one time or the
other. You know, we've all felt

886
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.719
like not invited, we didn't fit
in. And that's always been my stick.

887
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:04.280
And that's the way I look at
the orphans, you know, and

888
01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:08.599
the fact that people will make this, you know, we'll make this stuff,

889
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:14.159
you know, and then they put
warriors in the back. The guys

890
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:18.880
who did the film, uh,
they really worked hard under really bad circumstances.

891
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:21.960
They didn't really have a great budget. I know. One thing they'll

892
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.280
always tell you is that they were
freezing. They were always freezing because it

893
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.000
was cold when they were filming and
they had the vest and stuff and it

894
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:35.480
was all night shoots too, right
again, so they really I know,

895
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:41.559
they tell a story about how the
gangs call real gangs were like they you

896
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:46.280
know, someone they wanted to put
the warriors like tag the warriors on a

897
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:50.239
on a billboard or something there in
Cody Island, but they would have to

898
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:55.239
have erased the real gangs up and
they were like and the guys that were

899
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:57.519
from New York and the warriors like, no, you don't want to do

900
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:05.800
that, We're not real gang members
and stuff like that. But yeah,

901
01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:11.360
it's fun, you know, I
just well, no, I better not

902
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:15.639
tell this story. Good. Well, you know, I was looking into

903
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:16.880
this, you know, talking about
the real gangs and all this other kind

904
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:19.519
of stuff. And I saw an
interview with Walter Hill but where he talked

905
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:24.199
about kind of his perspective on making
this, and he says, I think

906
01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:27.519
the most unusual thing about this film
was the fact that it didn't present the

907
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.159
gang and gang structure is a social
problem, that presented it simply as a

908
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:34.119
fact the way things are, not
necessarily a negative presented from their point of

909
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:38.960
view. It's a movie that accepted
their values and essentially understood what a street

910
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:44.119
gang was, a defensive organization,
rather defensive one that didn't preach about middle

911
01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:46.440
class value. It just made the
movie unique. And that's one of the

912
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:49.199
things I love about this and that's
why I think it's it's self contained,

913
01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:55.159
right, because yes, you could
replicate it, but you're you're taking something

914
01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:58.000
away if you try to, I
think. And it's just it's beautiful that

915
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:01.960
he had that perspective going into the
entire production. I think. So I

916
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:06.199
wish I never got to see him
again. And there was a time that

917
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:11.880
but it was a scam. There's
so many scams running around. But the

918
01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:15.199
thirty fifth anniversary, the promoter was
he did a fantastic job in terms of

919
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:20.480
getting people together, but a terrible
job of getting people paid. And uh,

920
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:27.320
it was it was crazy because some
of the real gangs were very upset

921
01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:31.639
at this promoter. And I remember
one of the guys I traveled with is

922
01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:35.760
a retired NYPD and he sets things
up for me. He looks out for

923
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:41.840
me, is that my health is
not great. And so the real gangs

924
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:44.559
were after this guy because they were
looking for his money. And he wound

925
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:47.880
up getting the Academy Award faking a
heart attack so that the Ambulans could come

926
01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:55.840
and take him away. Save Wow, that's yeah. But uh yeah,

927
01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:59.559
last year I got to go to
San Francisco, Oakland, and this is

928
01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:02.639
all works from being part of the
Warriors, you know, and like you

929
01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:06.880
say, if some of the B
Squad shows up. We do very well.

930
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:12.800
Last till I did two years ago
with it was only d D and

931
01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:19.520
I and it was the cast from
Back to the Future and uh, Blazing

932
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:24.319
Saddles was there too, and I'm
in the middle of them, and so

933
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.600
it's like right there. But they
came to the Warriors, you know,

934
01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:29.880
just me and d D. We
just you know, we had both had

935
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:32.159
small parts. But people want to
peace, they want to hear about the

936
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:35.239
story, they want to hear about
the filming, you know. And as

937
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:39.920
you can tell, I have to
give the gap and I just go and

938
01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:45.680
DD is not bad looking. So
people come over and so it's fun because

939
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:47.159
we go like, we're not going
to make any money. The Warriors are

940
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:50.199
not here because we thought you had
to have the Warriors rather to make money.

941
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:55.800
Now, I hi, frans die
hard, especially now that some of

942
01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:59.800
us, you know, passing away. Now you know we're had you know,

943
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.119
uh, we lost some good members
and it's so we said, but

944
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:08.159
I want to make it to the
fiftieth. So apache for our listeners,

945
01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:11.520
what what's the name of your face
group page that they can find, It's

946
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:16.560
called Orphanation. Orphanation. We started
off I was about ten of US and

947
01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:21.279
now we're close to three thousand strong. And uh we have a lot of

948
01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:27.479
representation from the UK and uh I
have to get a passport because I keep

949
01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:30.439
getting invited. But I had a
good luck now in New York with all

950
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:35.279
the stuff that's happening here. But
uh, the UK and Ireland we have

951
01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:39.800
Uh, they love the Warriors.
I mean the Warriors are loved all over.

952
01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:44.359
I mean New Zealand. I have
fans from New Zealand again, which

953
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:47.960
is always a funny thing the time
difference, like good night, good morning,

954
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:53.439
good night morning. But uh,
people just want to be part of

955
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:57.159
it, be part of it.
Yeah, absolutely, may movies I like.

956
01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:00.760
I'm a TCM guy. I'm on
TCM. I leave sometimes I leave

957
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:04.800
the TV on TCM. I love
that. I love movies that have dialogue

958
01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:08.520
and not a whole lot of special
effects. You know, I like to

959
01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:12.680
hear the dialogue. Sure, I
remember my daughter, if it was in

960
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.720
black and white, she wouldn't watch
it. You know That's what I love

961
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:18.560
about my Benny Davis is my favorite. Okay, I just anything with her

962
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:23.000
in it, the way she talks, the way she spoke cigarettes. You

963
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:26.159
know, I wouldn't be in this
wheelchair, if it wasn't so mean to

964
01:10:26.279 --> 01:10:32.640
me, Blanche. Then she takes
but a in the wheelchair, Yeah,

965
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:41.640
in the wheelchair. But when I
saw the automatic on TCM, that made

966
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:47.039
me feel so special. Lisa Hurwitz, she's a really incredible director, did

967
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:51.000
so much research and she said,
what was the hardest part in the movie,

968
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:55.279
she said, was easiting people.
You know they can't be in it.

969
01:10:56.159 --> 01:11:00.479
But yeah, the forty fifth anniversary, I'm sure the stuff to happen.

970
01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:04.760
You guys helped start me off.
Yeah. Uh, and you can

971
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:09.239
tell I'm a little shy. Oh
yeah, totally, we can tell.

972
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:18.000
We love it. Sure it all
right, we'll good apache anything. Anything

973
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:24.680
you're working on right now? Any
projects coming up this year? That merciless

974
01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:30.880
Christmas? Okay, it's one of
those James Brown would say, big payback

975
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:33.880
movie. And the guy comes out
of prison and he's Christmas time and he's

976
01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:41.359
in the projects in Harlem, and
uh, his daughter is I think she's

977
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:48.560
ten years old and his wife they're
gonna go get Chris decorations for the tree.

978
01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:53.119
They go outside, they wind up
with a bunch of bad guys,

979
01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:57.600
and the bad guys wind up shooting
them and killing the daughter. Killing the

980
01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:03.720
wife and wounding the fall the and
uh, I come try solve the crime,

981
01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:06.760
and then they put him away for
a year and they finally let him

982
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:13.119
out and he's fucking mental and he
comes back and he wants the big payback

983
01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:18.159
revenge. So he winds up killing
everybody that was involved and using their body

984
01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:27.319
parts as Christmas ornaments so that Christmas
and I just I just want to retire.

985
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:30.119
I'm ready to retire to Big with
Big Butt what was her name,

986
01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:33.520
big Butt Betty, I think was
the name of the character. Uh,

987
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:38.119
And to go to Jamaica with Big
Big but Judy that was the name of

988
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:42.640
Big but Judy And uh but no
they you know, I try to get

989
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:45.520
out and they pulled me back in. So I have to solve this crime.

990
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:49.840
Man, I'm shooting again in March. Sent me a trailer yesterday and

991
01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:54.000
I think they're going to show a
trailer on Facebook. And now that you

992
01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:56.319
guys are my best friends, I'll
make sure I send it to you,

993
01:12:56.600 --> 01:13:00.880
please, And yeah, I'll pass
your name and any stuff you send me,

994
01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:04.199
like a logo. Some of this
I passed to some of the warriors

995
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:09.680
and stuff. See if you get
them on like David Harris is such a

996
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:13.760
great guy. I mean, David
Harris has done so many things in Dorsey.

997
01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:18.520
Dorsey's done so much and and and
Vermin Terry Mikos another sweetheart. I

998
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:23.359
think we're I think we're exactly the
same age. I think I'm a day

999
01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:27.079
older than him. I'm born the
day before Christmas. I think he's born

1000
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:30.359
to day after Christmas. We had
this talk over a couple of glasses of

1001
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:34.760
wine. I don't remember, but
yeah, DV is always available to do

1002
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:40.680
something. And of course I told
you about Purple Fury's book on the Warriors,

1003
01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:44.399
and he's he was also one of
the stuntman. He was also uh

1004
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:47.960
the stuntman on because he played for
Princeton. He's like six y six.

1005
01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:55.079
He's very where they put us together
in San Francisco like this, like this,

1006
01:13:55.600 --> 01:14:00.520
and uh, but he was also
the stuntman for white Men can't jump.

1007
01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:05.239
He's got you know, I played
for Princeton. He's got basketball skills.

1008
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:09.279
Yeah, and he's just the sweetheart
of a guy. He really is.

1009
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:13.399
I can't say nothing bad about any
of anybody I've met who's connected with

1010
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:15.399
the Warriors. I think we're just
all very happy to be part of it

1011
01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:20.840
and Fox will have interesting stories to
tell you. Uh, he's done a

1012
01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:25.239
lot of things. And he's a
teacher too. I think he teaches.

1013
01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:31.840
Yeah, but he's got a good
band and uh yeah, yeah it'll never

1014
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:35.760
I'm still eating off it. I'm
getting to talk to guys like you from

1015
01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:45.920
Cincinnati, aar Cincinnati, who has
I think of Cincinnati thinking a big redbishee.

1016
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.720
But yeah, Cody Island close with
a real Cody Island. Please stand

1017
01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:59.840
up, please very much Cincinnati and
uh David Burns, Jeff Johnson, Scott

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Hoffman, you are now and forever
more honorary orphans. Yes we read on

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the Warriors baby, Yes, that's
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blessed thank you. But again,
check out the orphan page defination and uh,

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thank you. That's right so much
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thank our listeners. Which gang would
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