Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Review

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You get more out of life when
you go out to a movie. I

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know, on with Pashul. Hello
everybody, and welcome back to the box

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office. I am Jeff Johnson.
I'm David Burns. It's been a while,

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but we are back. Dave.
We've been busy, man, We've

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we've been scouting locations for your upcoming
directorial effort. I know we can't really

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talk about it just yet, but
yeah, but we finally got ourselves back

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to the box office real quick,
real quick, Dave, because this wasn't

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our first time back. A couple
weeks ago we got to see The Flash.

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Yeah, in a quick twenty second
thing, you know, see it

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stream at skip it because this movie
has taken a beating at the box office.

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No one is going to see The
Flash and they should. They should

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should. Yeah, I'm telling you
right now. The Flash aka Batman three,

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whatever you want to call it.
It is a fun, fun thrill

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right at the box office. It
was a great way for Zack Snyder's Snyder

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Verse whatever you wanna call it,
to end. Um It's it saddens me

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because people should be seeing this movie. It's it is a fantastic superhero film.

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I loved it. You loved it
right, not too late. Everybody

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go see it. Yep, go
see it. Speaking of seeing things,

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Dave, we are back today.
We just walked out of the theater.

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We finally, after all this time, we get to see Harrison Ford put

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on the Fedora. He's back Indiana
Jones and the Dial of Destiny. I

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don't believe in magic. A few
times in my wife was seeing things things

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I can't explain. I've come to
believe so much what it's hard you believe

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it. He Indiana Jones, Indiana
Jones and the Dial of Destiny. Thirteen

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tickets on sale now. Jeff,
it was really good to see him wearing

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the fedor again. Um. I
know we've been waiting for a while to

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see Indiana Jones beyond the big screen. It was nice to see that again.

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I I mean, I've had chills, you know watching the trailer.

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You know, very excited. James
Mangold was was taken the helm, walked

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into this with with very high expectations. Let's let's let's not tip our hands.

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I know we've gotta be spoiler free, so let' let's talk about this

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cast for a minute. Dave,
you said it's great to see Harrison Ford

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back, Uh can you elaborate?
I mean, it's good to see him

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wearing the fedor again and in catching
up with him because it's been a while

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since we saw him in Crystal Skulls
and and you know, we get to

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see you know, they say it
in the trailer, he's retiring as a

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professor. You know, he's coming
to the end of his career, and

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it's good to see him in that
role of him being as Nina Jones at

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his age. And you do see
that through the film this but this was

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not the endy that I know it's
it's not and there's parts of it and

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I know what you're talking about.
We really can't elaborate in here because it's

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a spoiler free But he can't kick
butt like he once was. Man,

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he can't do that anymore. Um, and you really do see that in

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this film. I get it.
I get that, you know, I

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get that he's not gonna be doing
the things that we've seen him do in

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the first four movies, but do
something I don't know. I I you

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know, I was not happy with
with with with Harrison Ford's performance. Honestly,

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I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm throwing it
out there. There's there's one thing

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that I'm gonna. I wanna agree
with you on a couple of things I

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WoT agree with you on I do. I know where you're coming from.

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And I got that reaction from you
when we off the theater, even though

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we didn't talk about it because they
were saving to talk about it here.

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I felt that coming from you.
And actually I felt that coming from you,

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guys we were watching the movie.
I didn't look over, but I

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just knew what was running through your
head at the time. But you've got

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to admit, though, the opening
scene, the first twenty minutes, I

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thought was spectacular. That felt like
Indiana Jones. All right, well you're

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jumping ahead. I'm gonna agree with
you there. Though the opening of this

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film, the first twenty twenty five
minutes, is spectacular. I will not

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I will not deny that. I
know we could get We're gonna get in

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the weeds here on Marson. So
let's move forward. Let's talk about let's

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talk about the the newest foil for
Indie. Talking about Jurgen Vohler played by

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Mad's Mickelson. Matt's always does a
great job and everything he does. I

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still feel like they didn't elaborate on
his character enough in this movie. By

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the time we get to the end
of everything, I'm like, I really

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don't care about this villain at all. Am I wrong? Okay? Now

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we're we're shifting gears. So because
I loved Matt, I mean, Mad's

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Michelson playing a villain. Is it's
great that that's paint by numbers. He's

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not gonna mess it up? Uh, you know, he's clearly he's kind

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of like a loose he's loosely based
on the scientist, the German scientist that

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helped us, you know, in
the Space Race. Um. I I

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loved his character. I loved his
his motivation for me, it was there

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like the whole you know, his
his reason for doing what he's doing made

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perfect sense to me as far as
like, you know, every time you

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get a villain that's like, I'm
gonna take over the world. Okay,

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well why okay? I I thought
it was kind of for me. I

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was drawn out. I liked it. It was I understood where he's coming

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from. I understood his motivations.
I liked him. I think he's a

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he's a great when it comes to
Indiana Jones villains. I think in some

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cases they're forgettable. Uh looking at
you, Kate Blanchet and uh Crystal Skulls.

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We're really gonna talk about Crystal Skulls. No, we're not, but

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but uh something, you know,
sometimes they are awesome, like but Bellock

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or Mala ram Yep Uh Ma's mad
solds his own man. I think he's

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a he's a great he's a great
villain. I liked him fair enough.

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And then we got Phoebe waller Bridge
playing Indie's god daughter. Helena shaw Am

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I the only one who doesn't like
her as an actress. No, um,

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she she really annoyed me in this
film. And and I'm not saying

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she's not talented. She is a
talented actress. But throughout this movie,

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I was very annoyed by her character. And I blame that on the script.

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I blame that on the writers.
I don't blame that on the actress

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because she is a good actress.
But I just I didn't think she was

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I don't, I don't. I
don't know if I should say that she

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wasn't right for this part. But
I just and again, I want to

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go back and blame the writers on
this because I just didn't like her character

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at Oh man, I really didn't. I'm gonna echo your sentiments there.

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First off, Phoebe waller Bridge is
an extraordinarily talented writer and an actress.

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Her her breakout series Fleabag that she
wrote and directed and start In is phenomenal.

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I loved it. Um But yeah, you're right, Helena Shaw is

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at best obnoxious film not likable.
I couldn't. I yeah, I was

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not a fan of her. Um
for and as far as I'm gonna turn

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this, this was Helena Shaw and
the Dial of Destiny. I'm calling it

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like I see it. Yeah,
it's not that she was wrong for the

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part, it's that the character was
wrong for the franchise. We didn't need

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this, we don't we Yeah,
I didn't want it. All respect to

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Phoebe because she is She's amazing,
but but this is not This is not

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for her, and wish her the
wish her well with the tomb Raider.

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Thinks she's got going on with with
with prime. Yeah, but again I

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blame the writers, not her.
Yeah, not her. We got a

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couple other spots in here. I
know we will be careful what we say

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here, but Antonio Bandaris, you
know we we briefly glimpse him in the

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trailer. That that's that should always
be exciting for you, right, good

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role for him. I really enjoyed
when we get to see him on screen

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stuff like that. I thought I
thought he was fun, fun, critically

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underused. Oh yeah yeah, SpongeBob
and Daris. I was like, really,

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that's what we're gonna do with him, that's it. Yeah, it

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was blinking you miss it U moment
with him? Blinking you miss a moment

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with uh with John Rice Davies.
Right, yeah, that was I feel

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I feel a little cheated. You
know, we get that first trailer,

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give him hell Indiana Jones. Yeah, um, and then he's gone for

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him to just that's fan service.
That's straight up fan service as far as

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I would serve. Um. Yeah, that's just going, hey, throw

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throw someone in there that they oh
yeah, they love they know and love

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this guy. Throw him in there. Yeah, that was a little bit

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of a betrayal. Um talking Uh, let's talk about a couple of new

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characters. How about Boyd Holbrook playing
Clapper. He's kind of he's kind of

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Mad's Michelson's henchman if you will,
or one of the henchmen, I mean

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all the Henchman's and the villains and
stuff. I you know, they're your

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typical Indian and Jones Henchman's and villains
for sure. They yeah, perfectly.

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Um, and I thought he did
a really good job. You know,

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he was always did I thought he
did? Yeah? I mean again,

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hold on, his character development was
not there because we were missing a lot

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of character development in some of these
people. Um, but you know he

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was just a hinchman. What else
did you want him to be? Well?

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I wanted him to Okay, I
get it, Like give him give

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him a flat top and a mustache
so that we understand that he's a bad

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guy, you know, give it. Give him a stay and bad guy

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haircut and a bad guy mustache.
Yeah. Boyd Holbrook is a fantastic actor.

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He's always been impressive. Dave,
Why is he doing this? This

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this forced like hillbilly accent. That's
not Wholebrook? I'm sorry, but that

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was wrong like it and it took
me out of the movie, Like I

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was like, what why you is? This? Was this a weird,

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whole borok thing where he's like how
I'll do it, but I want to

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I want to play I want to
play it this way, or I want

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to do it this way. I
don't know who who was behind the voice,

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but it was it was not it
was un It was very unnecessary,

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almost almost as unnecessary as the character
Mason who It was played by Seannette Renee

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Wilson, which is a shame because
I liked her character and if they if

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they would have given us more material
for her, I think she would have

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done well. But I mean,
why was she even there? I don't

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know you could have you could have
had Herbert throughout the whole movie. Yeah,

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kind of like a you know,
is she on our side? Is

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she not on our side? Because
you're right, she was. She was

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interesting. She was for me,
she was more interesting than than than Boyd

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Holbrook's character. But again, uh, huge missed opportunity. There are any

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anyone else you want to talk about? I know we got Oh yeah,

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I almost forgot he was in it. Um, I mean even though but

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he was in it. I thought
he did really good. But yeah,

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Jones is awesome and everything he does, yeah, you know, the trailer

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would have you believe that he's like
the the sidekick he's the character we're gonna

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he's gonna be on the adventure with
us. But no, he's he's not.

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He I for what he did,
I guess he was. I enjoyed

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it. Yeah, I'm trying.
I'm trying her dad, I'm trying to

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Let's talk about the movie a little
bit. Um. When you're talking Indiana

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Jones, you're talking about action at
its core. Okay, can we talk

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for a second practical verse versus CGI. Yeah, a lot of CTI.

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Yeah, I understand, I'm making
him younger. I get that. I'm

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not I'm not talking about that.
Let's do that real quick. Let's let's

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talk about that because everyone that's not
a spoiler. Everyone knows you see Indie

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kind of circa two years after last
Crusade. Um, I felt overall,

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that's fantastic. You know, young
Indie looks great. Yeah, um,

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I might. I'm if I'm if
I'm gonna pick at it at all.

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It's it's that young Indie talking with
grumpy Harrison Ford's voice. Right. Yeah.

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It was a little like, come
on, you could audio, you

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could have cleaned it up a little
bit, I think, Um, and

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maybe there was a there's a shot
here and there where you're like, that

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didn't look so good. But overall
like that, I feel like they used

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all the budget on d aging Harrison
Ford and then and then all these ludicrous

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action sequences, these chases, most
of which most of them were, were

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completely unnecessary and borderline boring. I
was watching a video game, don't what

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about you? And Okay, so
I'm gonna go ahead and talk about the

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elephant in the room. The movie
was too long. Oh, there is

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some of the things and exactly what
you're talking about right there. There are

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some of the things they really could
have cut out of this movie and has

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shortened it, and it wouldn't have
made it a better film. Probably maybe

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not, It depends on how you
look at it. But if they had

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cut some of that stuff out,
and you're right, you're gonna go on

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and on and on, and we
really didn't need some of that, uh

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you tighten it up a little bit
more. But yeah, I agree with

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you. It felt like a video
game at times for sure, especially the

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race through Morocco. I think it
was which gaming away anything. No,

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No, I don't need a that
thing felt like it was forty minutes long.

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It just I just I was like, really, we're still in these

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stupid little cars motorcycle car, whatever
they are. I hated that moment.

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I'm I don't know, man,
I'm I'm really starting to nash my teeth

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here. I think, I think, but I see that. Yeah,

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but I apologize for that. But
um yeah, the action overall, I

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mean, aside from our opening sequence, I felt it went on too long.

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I felt it was boring. I
felt it was it was it was

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a cgi fest. I mean,
I'm not talking quantum menia, man,

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but it's still like for when we
we've for forty plus years, we've we've

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seen action done right because of this
franchise, and I feel like Mangold's not

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even looking at the other indie movies
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like. Well, you know,
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with this film. And I'm not
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but Spielberg should have directed this film. And I know he probably backed out

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of it because he didn't want anything
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you know, he was there at
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this movie was missing his camera movements, it was missing his touch and That's

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one of the elements I felt like
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that Spielberg touch. And again,
I'm not putting Man gold down. He's

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a great director, but he's fantastic. Yeah, but I just don't think

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it just didn't work in this movie
with him. Spielberg's magic is largely missing

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from this movie. You can feel
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about the let's talk about the story
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right here. Every Indiana Gens movie
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it or not, you understood it. You saw it, you knew what

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it made sense, why we were
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this movie, David's got three different
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and you have to go here to
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It's it's so convoluted, the story
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so many chances for it to go
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this was Uh, if you I'm
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on Indie going up against aliens or
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but uh, sign me up for
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what we're looking at, because I
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So are you so are you saying
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this film. I'm not gonna answer
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save that. I'll save that till
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not gonna I'm not gonna go down
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your thoughts on the mcguffin. Yeah, yeah, still I'm with you.

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I'm with you on that completely.
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on, just gonna give me one
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things and give me different names.
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like think back of what they were
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the movie because I have to think
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again. Yeah. No, I'm
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let's talk about something good. M
what's you think of the music?

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I have a complaint, Jeff,
I'm not I'm again, I'm not complaining

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on John Williams, but I really
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music. I don't know if it's
because the way the story went or what

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it was, But like again,
the first twenty minutes, I thought the

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music was fantastic in this because the
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But after that, it just seemed
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not blaming John Williams on that,
and by no means saying the music terrible,

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it's not. But the music is
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that that indie music that we're so
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here and there, you know,
the Raiders March and stuff like that throughout

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the movie, but not nearly what
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I really felt a lot of that
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Man would has something to do with
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you know it just the magic was
not there. Man. Look, I

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know, I said, let's say, let's talk about something good with the

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music. That was a that was
a that was a trick. Um.

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Okay, John Williams. Any score
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because it's John Williams. But this
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scores we've had. Yeah, dude, come on, not even I was

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so. I was so excited,
Like the trailer music where we got hints

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of the march, I was so
excited. Guess what, that's as good

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as it gets. Yeah, I
this was lazy. It was. I

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kept waiting for it to kick in, and it never did. I'm like,

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what the hell was going on?
Even even elements of it were almost

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note for note from the last Crusade. I don't know if you notice it

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or not. I did. I
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the parts I liked because at least
it sounded like Indiana Jones exactly the lat

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you mentioned the Raiders march. Let's
the lack of it is what bothered me

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too. You know that lets me
know I'm an Indiana Jones movie and this.

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Maybe I'm tipping my hand here,
but this was not an Indiana Jones

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movie. Dave, Let's do this
see it, stream it or skip it.

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Yeah, this was a tough one
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are like a static about this movie. But um man, I can't believe

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I'm gonna say this. Stream it, Okay, Well, I can't believe

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I'm gonna say this. Skip it? Wow? Skip this. Uh.

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If you if you want quality,
a qualit the Indiana Jones movie, just

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just turn on grab your blue rays, turn on Disney Plus, watch watch

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the original three and and love Indiana
Jones and know that that's that's our Indiana

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Jones. Uh. If you want
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like, let's check out Kingdom of
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Dave, you ask me, I'm
gonna go and say it. Kingdom of

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the Crystal Skull. This movie makes
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull feel like raiders

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to me. WHOA, Yeah,
I'm out. I said what I said,

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you're putting it up. Yeah,
however you feel, and I know

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a lot of our audience does not
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So take that feeling and then and
then dive about three hundred fathoms deeper,

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and that's where you're gonna land with
with the Dial of Destiny, Dave,

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if I had, if I could
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I'd go back to a time where
we didn't have even the thought that this

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could move, this movie was gonna
come out, because yeah, let's just

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end it with the last crusade.
That's where the last say them them them

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galloping off into the sunset. That's
that's the perfect ending it is. I

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know the die I know diehard fans
you know are gonna see this. They're

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gonna go out and see it regardless
because they have to. We had to.

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But of course see it. Go
in, go in with expectations,

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you know, may and I don't
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Maybe maybe if you go in with
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liking it. I don't know if
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want to hear about it. Look, you know, email us, uh,

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hit us up on social media,
if you if you liked this movie,

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if you love this movie, if
you're with us, if you're against

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us, I would love to hear
it. But uh but uh, Dave,

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you're saying stream it. I'm saying
skip it. And I can't believe

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we're saying that. I can either. Indiana Jones, Yep. That's that's

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where we're at. Were indeed unfortunate, right. I don't know about you,

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but I'm gonna I'm heading over.
I'm gonna I need to. I

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need to get this out of my
out of my brain. I I'm actually

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gonna go watch Raiders again. Sounds
good and fall and and fall back in

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love with the character. But I
know we I know we'll be back at

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the box office and we will.
Indeed, I'll buy the tickets and I'll

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buy the popcorn. See you guys,