James Gunn - Super

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If you were, say, born
with superpowers, uh, like like a

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mutant mutant gene, or there was
a lab accident and you were you were

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bestowed superpowers, would you feel a
responsibility to fight crime, to act on

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those powers, to use that gift. I think my part of me wants

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to say mm no, But the
other part of me, which is the

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strongest part, the good part,
says yes, I would use it for

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good. I would help people.
Let's say you don't have superpowers, have

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you ever considered being a crime fighter? Like, like, what would it

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take for you to hit the streets
fight crime as a as a costumed vigilante?

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What would it take? Oh?
Man, um, I guess something

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Nasia would happen to have to happen
in my life. I guess I don't

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know. Lose somebody maybe interesting?
Well, I asked because I want to

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talk about I want to have this
conversation. I want to talk about a

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film by James Gunn, his twenty
eleven dark strange superhero comedy Super Hello everybody,

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and welcome back to a Film by
podcast. I am Jeff Johnson,

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I'm David Burns. Dave, thank
you for joining us today. Co host

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Brad Kozo has has got some some
technical difficulties. He's gonna he's he's working

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on them. But you have you
swooped in. I did to the studio

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like like you, like you do
and said, I'll save the day and

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I'll co host. So and I'm
always happy to be here. Man,

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It's always a good time. It's
always fun, always awesome to have you.

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I love what you and Scott are
doing on a film at forty five.

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By the way, thank you.
I love every minute of that,

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man, really do. Yeah,
fantastic, fantastic stuff. We are talking

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about James Gunn today. Obviously everyone
knows he is the the co CEO,

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he's the he's the head honcho for
DC. Now we got a whole new

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lineup of DC superhero films coming,
and I know we'll get into that later

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on. Oh yeah, before we
get into it, let's start with with

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today's sponsor, if you will.
I want to throw a shout out to

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James Buckley, Dave, this guy, this amazing guy. Several several episodes

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ago, we read a a review
Apple Review which hailed us as a bingeworthy

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podcast. You know, a lot
of great things said, and the person

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responsible is our newest patron who recently
joined our Patreon and UH signed up and

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we've got some fun things happening this
month thanks to mister James Buckley. Yeah,

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thanks James, good job. You
know some people might be confused with

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what patron is. Can you kind
of explain that to me, because I

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know when I first heard it,
I was like, what is that?

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Absolutely a film by podcast now has
its own Patreon where we are providing exclusive

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bonus content. So far, we
have got four episodes out there. One

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actually I wouldn't call it an episode, Dave, because we did h Brad

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and I did our first audio commentary
track. So you know, for fans

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of the the nineteen eighty six classic
April fools Day, you can now you

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can now watch the film with audio
commentary by Brad and myself, which was

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a lot of fun. You and
I got to do one of He and

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I have got to do one of
those things to a uh. And then

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because you can't keep a good series
down, UH, nineteen eighty six UH

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has has risen, so to speak, UH, and we got we got

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a couple of there's like three episodes
already on the Patreon that are nineteen eighty

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six. What we're what we're calling
the lost episodes of eighty six if you

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were so for fans of nineteen eighty
six, if you want more of that

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limited series, which Dave, I
know you were a big part of.

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Yeah, it's the year if the
year that he's popped up right, Yeah,

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but that's on the Patreon for as
little as three dollars a month,

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Dave. Uh, you get access
to all of the bonus content. And

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you know, well for three bucks
a month, we'll send you a couple

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of our film by podcast stickers.
There's like there's like three different ones now

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speaking of that, James has actually, uh, he is at the top

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tier. He is at the producer
level. Nice, which, yeah,

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so he's he has got the stickers, he's got the T shirt, he's

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got he's got the color changing stadium
cups. He gets to choose his own

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episode for the Patreon, which he
has told us he's made his request.

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And James, that will definitely be
hitting Patreon this month. We're gonna be

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doing a special episode for him,
all right. And and as a producer,

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Dave, he now has a say
in a future director that we're going

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to talk about on the show.
So, like I said, different levels

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from anywhere from three dollars to twenty
dollars. You call the shots. And

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fortunately James has great taste, so
the film that he has chosen for us

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to cover is awesome. All right, But you know, I'm just waiting

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for some prankster to sign up and
then just be like, yeah, I'm

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gonna make him watch this terrible movie. But hey, it's that's what producers

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do, right, Can I put
it out there? Iron Eagle too,

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Let's do it. Let's do it. Come on, somebody sign up and

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do it. Oh my god,
you really? Oh my lord, Iron

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Eagle too, Jesus, Oh okay, well well, uh well, more

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on that later, Dave. Let's
talk about James Gunns film Super. I

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have to I have to believe not
a lot of people know about this one,

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because I've asked a lot of people
about it and everyone kind of gives

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me the confused look. No one's
no one's seen this. H Can you

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tell us a little bit about what
Super is? I can um. First,

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I want to say I'm in that
bucket. I did not I had

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not seen this movie, so I
went into it cold, did not know

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anything about it, and wow,
okay, so let me get a little

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synopsis of this movie. Frank has
two things that were perfect in his life,

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his marriage to Sarah and the time
he pointed to where criminal had gone

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to help up pursuing police officers.
For most of his life he was picked

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on and bullied, nothing went his
way. Well, things continue to go

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downhill from even into adulthood. Frank
also had visions throughout his life Jesus on

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his bedroom wall and a childhood friend
being a demon. And then on one

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faithful day, he has the vision
of all visions, the finger of God

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touching his brain. With his wife
Sarah leaving him to go with Jock.

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He now turns to making changes in
his life, even as that means continuing

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to fry cook by day and becoming
a superhero known as the Crimson Boat at

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night or whenever the time felt right. Prepare yourself for a crazy, violent,

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and one of the strangest superhero films
you will ever see. Absolutely this

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movie I'm gonna go to I was. Let's say it there is. There's

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definitely some some themes. There's definitely
some language use that that's you know,

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not appropriate. The movie is incredibly
violent, yes, and some very uncomfortable

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scenes. Yes, some some very
uncomfortable scenes. This this, this movie,

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I would say, could easily offend
people, um, even when it

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doesn't mean to. Again, with
some of the language that you use,

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you gotta you know, it's twenty
eleven when this comes out. So I

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feel like some of the some of
the language was like, you know,

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frowned upon but maybe still socially acceptable. Definitely not acceptable by by today's standards,

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and it never should have been acceptable. But you know, it is

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what it is, this movie.
Like you and you said, you said

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it's strange. This is a strange
superhero film, right it is. And

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Jeff, people look stupid when they
cry, oh you got let's let's talk.

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Let's jump right into the cast because
Rain Rain Wilson as Frank Darbo.

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Yeah, he's he's our here,
he's our hero. This is the guy

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that that loses his loses his wife, his his the beautiful liv Tyler,

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loses her to scumbag drug dealing Kevin
Bacon and decides to become a vigilante,

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a crime fighter. So you know, I know, we'll talk about recommendations

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at the end of this, but
I just I have to know, like

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you watched this for the first time
regentally. Yeah, what what's your initial

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thoughts so I can get through this
movie? And I had to stop and

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think about what did I just watch? What just happened in this movie?

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And No, I really liked it. It was fun, it was a

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little crazy at times. It reminds
you of kick Ass a little bit,

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and in a way, um,
just a little right instead of left is

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what this movie does. So yep, yeah, Rain's sensation on this.

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I mean, everyone knows him,
you know. I think his go to

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performance is probably most likely Dwight Shrut
from the office. Everyone knows him as

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Dwight Shrut. Ye. I love
when this guy shows up in a genre

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movie like this. What he showed
up in Rob Zombie's The Devil's what was

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it a House of a Thousand Corpses? Yeah? Yeah, I mean he's

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he's amazing as Dwight Trute, but
he it's more amazing what he's just what

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he's just being in anything else.
I feel like like I loved him in

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this. He really did good job
of playing weird, but he also did

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a good job of playing broken and
shattered from like torments of life. Oh

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gosh, he I mean, I
kind of feel like this movie puts you

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through a couple different emotions, like
something does. And sometimes some parts you're

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like, you're laughing, some parts
you're kind of you're taking a back,

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you're kind of shocked, and then
other times you're just you're kind of heartbroken

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for this guy. He does play
a broken individual really well, I think.

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And you get to a certain point
with this character too, you're almost

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like, what what are you doing? Man? You've gone over the line

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that you shouldn't be doing, especially
when he meets um Libby, and you

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know, Libby becomes a part of
it, and you're like, then you

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see what both of them are doing
together, and then he finally realizes this

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isn't right, you know. So
But and we'll talk a little bit more

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about how the movie ends and stuff
like that, because one of my favorite

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parts of this movie is the ending
of the movie and what it means.

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And we'll talk Yeah, well you
mentioned Libby, who who plays like the

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sidekick character. You know, Elliott
Page brilliant in this performance. Yeah,

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this is this is way before Umbrella
Academy. Um, so it's just fun

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to see Elliott Page chewing up the
scenery right when you meet at the comic

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bookstore. Yeah, and just how
awkward that character is, you know,

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and just and it just matches Frank's
character, even though Frank didn't see it

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at first, later on he finally
realizes, all right, maybe I do

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need a sidekick. And they work
well together to a certain degree because Libby

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is still way out there. Yeah. Well you mentioned the way they are,

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Like Libby definitely socially awkward in the
sense that Libby says things there's no

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filter, right, um, and
then Frank very socially awkward, just doesn't

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know how to talk to people at
all. Right, So to see to

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see this, yeah, to see
this, to see them coming together as

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like this is going to be the
crime fighting team is fantastic. And uh,

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I know we're talking about cast a
quick shout. Please tell me that

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you recognized the jerk in the comic
book store in the back. No,

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I didn't. Who was that he
plays? He's actually from the Peacemaker.

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He plays economos on Peacemaker like they're
like they're tech guy. Yea, yeah,

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Steve, Steve Agee. I think
I'm saying that right. I hope

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I'm saying that right. Uh.
If he's listening. Apologies if I'm not

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saying it right, but yeah,
that's that's that's him. That's it.

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That's Economos, so you know,
and that's just you know, that's that's

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James Gunn who finds a great group
people to work with and he's gonna work

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with him throughout his entire career.
You know, this is twenty eleven.

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Yeah, and now we're in twenty
and twenty three with the Peacemaker and these

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guys are still working together. So
yeah, I mean even in Guardians and

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Galaxy, you see a lot of
these people popping up. Yep. You

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know, um, you've got um
Michael Rooker. Michael Rooker, He's he's

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definitely a go to guy for for
James gun Worker plays a great hinchman.

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He really does man no matter what
he does. Uh. You know.

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It's it's odd because this is kind
of a smaller role for Michael Rooker,

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especially at this point in his career. Uh, he's like the lead hnchman,

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you know. Uh, but he
also kind of has I like that

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Michael Rooker takes the opportunity to show
that he has a conscious. You know.

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There's a couple of scenes, you
know where you can see, like,

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you know, what he he knows
what they're doing is wrong. Yeah,

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he doesn't like it, but he's
also he's listening to his boss kind

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of a kind of a thing.
Yeah, you see it play on his

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face at times, you are correct, um, and then he feels uncomfortable

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at times. You're right. He's
getting paid by a boss and he's gonna

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do what he wants. It's that
simple. It is that simple. Uh

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So, Rain Wilson Elliott Page the
lovely liv Tyler. Were you were you

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surprised to see her in a role
like this? Dave, Yes, I

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was. I mean, because it's
not your typical female lead at all,

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you know, not at all.
Yeah. Half the movie she's she's kind

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of just incoherent and drugged out.
You know, she's you know, because

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she's a recovering addict who succumbs to
the uh, the wiles of Kevin Bacon,

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you know, and you know she's
like a hostage. Shut the whole

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thing, and that's what sets uh, that's what sets Frank on his mission

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to to to save his wife,
you know. And she played it well

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because I'm telling you, I don't
know how easy it is to play it

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looks like you're drugged out of your
mind. But she did a really good

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job with that. Yeah you mentioned
uh you mentioned Sean Gunn already another one

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of the Hunt Henchman. Another couple
couple of other small cameos in this um.

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You got Linda CARDLINI. I was
surprised by that, the pet in

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the pet story. Yeah, she's
just she's in there for like one minute.

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You know. Uh. I always
love when Nathan Phillion is with James

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Gunn. You what did you think
of the Holy Avenger? The Holy Avenger?

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Like, when that commercial came on, I'm like, what the hell

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is this? He's he's he's at
home, he's watching the All Jesus Network.

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Nathan Phillion plays the Holy Avenger.
Who is He's got one of the

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goofiest superhero costumes of all time.
But it's like very much a spoon fed

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you know, this is why sin
is wrong and yep, you know,

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I'm gonna save the children type of
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Did you did you pick up the
Demons the demon? Uh? I

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forget what the demon's name is or
did it have a name. Demons demons

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will maybe means Will. That's it. It's Will. Yeah. Yeah,

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he just's like he's he's almost like
a prototype for a for Nightcrawler, for

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the X Men, the way they
have him. The whole tongue thing,

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the whole tongue. Yeah, the
tongue flicking thing that he does. He

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is crazy and that and that.
But uh, it's just it's crazy some

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of the some of the small cameras
we have in there, because again some

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of the some of our big name
guys and gals, they're they're playing very

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small roles. Uh. This was
a fun one. I did not I

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didn't know this until I was doing
a little bit of homework. The Voice

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of God, you know, because
we talked about how God kind of taps

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Frank Yep, you know, he
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Guess who's a voice? I guess
who's voicing God? Who is it?

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Rob Zombie? How about that?
Is that ironic? Rob Zombie? Yeah?

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Rob Zombie as the wast of God. There you go one company.

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By surprise, I actually had to
rewind a little bit. Well I said

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rewind, but you know, I
just dated my age. But anyway,

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I had to go back to catch
it because it happens really quick. William

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Kat, Yeah, at first I
was like it was that William Kat had

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to go back and watch it against
Holy crap, it is. Yeah,

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I'm telling you, man, this
is this one. It's worth a rewatch

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just to try and spot all the
all the cameos. Yeah. Because and

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again, how is How's James Gunn
doing this? Because this is a this

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is this is his debut film,
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like, you know, why is
everyone just showing up on on set

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to to do small roles for James
Gunn at a time when he's not James

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Gunn. I thought that was kind
of funny. Yeah. Uh, Kevin

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Bacon, is this like the coolest, most easygoing villain you've ever seen in

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a in a superhero movie? It
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I laughed hysterically was when Frank confronted
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He goes the car and he goes
and slowly touches the car a game with

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his finger. He goes, don't, don't well, let's let's back up

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for a second, because, like
we're introduced to him, he just shows

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up at the door, the screen
door. He's like Hey, how's it

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going, which is he's super friendly, but it's really creepy how he is

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in his black Yeah. Yeah,
yeah, Frank's just sitting there making eggs.

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He's like, are those eggs?
Can I have some? And like

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you said, Frank's been bullet his
whole life, so he doesn't know how

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to stand up the people or saying
no. Right, So you get this

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awkward breakfast between you know, Rain
Wilson and uh and Kevin Bacon these brown

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eggs. Yeah, he's so delightful
as a as a villain. And then

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he's like, yeah, tell tell
your wife I stopped by. Yeah,

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and you know it's like uh.
And then like the next scene like she's

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gone, right, she she's in
overhead. Now she's now she's with Kevin

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Bacon, and you know, he
completely loses it. But that scene where

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he goes running up and he's like
banging on Kevin Bacon's car, and that's

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where we finally get a little hint
of the villainy. He's like, look,

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I'm gonna give you one last chance. Don't don't touch my f and

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car ever again. And he just
puts like one his index finger. He's

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like, I'm telling you that's it. That's the last one. And he

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does it again and he's like,
Okay, you know that's not the that's

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not the kind of touching I meant. You know that, I'm gone,

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gone, I'm about it here,
I'm believe it. But I love that

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moment for Rain Wilson's character Frank,
because that's where he's starting. Like I

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feel like the Crimson Bolt is born
in that moment because he is, he

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is defiant, he still, he
stands up right, yep, exactly.

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Can we talk about the weirdest divine
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Because this movie. I mean,
first off, I love the opening,

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the with the animation, the the
anime. Whenever they use get an

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animated, they're always fun, right. Uh So that kind of puts you

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on the in a in a fun
it's it's it's weird because it tricks you

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because like you're like, oh,
this is gonna be fun. I'm gonna

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laugh the whole time, and it's
gonna be like a funny superhero movie.

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And then we go dark because in
that animation, yeah, well yeah,

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it's but it's like looney like,
oh yeah's that's that's funny. That guy's

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head exploded, but you know,
I'm laughing because it's a cartoon and then

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we go dark and we're gonna see
that on screen. But right this this

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uh, this scene, man,
it's just strange, you know, I

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know, it's just you get like
the tentacles like saw and open his head

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and then you know, God's like
and I think that relates back to the

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the anime porn that he was watching
on TV. Yeah, with the tentacles

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and then like, yeah, what
what's that? What? Uh? I

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don't know what kind of cable package
he has, but he goes from like

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the all Jesus that work too,
like, uh, that anime pornography stuff.

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Uh. There's some other movies that
you know, I wanted to I

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wanted to kind of deep dive and
figure out what what some of those other

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movies were. Yeah, um,
I think one of them was a trauma

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movie if I'm not mistaken, And
it would make sense when when I get

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into James Gunn's background, we'll,
we'll, we'll, I'll talk about the

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trauma connection. But um, I
love the moment though when he's back at

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the comic book store because he gets
the the inspiration I need to fight crime,

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and he's such a novice. He
goes to he goes straight to the

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comic bookstore where Libby is like behind
the counter working, and he's like,

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yeah, I need the Holy Avenger, and she, you know, has

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some choice words for the Holy Avenger
comic and you know then of course,

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but starts educating him, right,
you know, like, yeah, you

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want to, you want to,
you want to read this, you want

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to read that. But I love
the line that that Libby has because it

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you know, where he gets the
he has the weird dream, the divine

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inspiration dream. Then he has the
moment, the moment of clarity if you

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will, you know, because Libby's
like I always wonder like why doesn't anyone

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just become a real superhero, right, why doesn't it happen? You know?

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And then like like Frank says,
you know, all it takes is

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the choice to fight evil. And
I love that moment because we've seen it

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in like other movies, you know, Boondocks, Saints kick Ass. Like

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the questions always asked. That's why
you know, we we That's why I

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asked you, like, what what
would it take? You know, why

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don't why doesn't it happen. You
know, I love that moment though.

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It's a good moment. Let's talk
about his uh you know he obviously he

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goes to the whole homemade costume uh
trope, which is fun himself. Yeah,

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but I love when he's trying out, when he's trying out different catch

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phrases. Shut up crime. That
has got to be one of the best

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catch phrases for for a vigilante ever, right, yep. Man just leads

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to it, just leads to his
awkwardness. Man, It was just perfect

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for it for who he is.
Yeah, but then he you know,

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he tries, he goes out,
he tries. He doesn't go very well

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for him, does it go very
well? Because he's he's just a guy

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who pulls up in his you know, his beat up car and you know,

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waits and tries to tries to stop
a drug dealer. It kind of

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gets his ass handed to him and
doesn't really think ahead. He does mention

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it later on towards the end of
the movie about his license plate on the

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car. I mean that's not a
very good move man. Yeah, the

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boltmobile. Ye. Well, like, you know, he goes out,

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he tries. It's back to the
drawing board. He's back to the comic

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book store. What about what about
heroes without without that? Without powers that

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he weapons, And again Libby is
like his his instructor, like you know,

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Batman, batter rangs and the utility
belt. He's like, ooh,

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utility belt, like like like I
like that, you know, I think

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green arrow or you know, has
a bow and arrow like you know.

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Then kept to marry. Oh no, no, no, he's got powers

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put that way, but that way
he's a super soldier, so that doesn't

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count. So yeah, it doesn't
count because now Libby is invested in this

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guy, like you know, you're
building your own hero, like what's going

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on? And he ends up with
He ends up settling on a on a

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pipe wrench, a steel pipe wrench. You can buy the home depot.

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It just goes out starts beating the
shit out up people. It's one of

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the one of the funniest moments in
this movie that made me lamb. There's

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a bunch of moments in this movie
that will make me laugh. One of

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them that really got me was when
he was hiding behind the dumpster for the

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first time and he was like narrating
stuff that was going on and he goes

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out walk quickcause he heard something.
He goes it was just a box.

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The wind was pushing it down the
street. I will get it later.

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I just want to want to expose
my position. Yeah, he's just hanging

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out on a dumpster. Yeah,
this movie has a lot of fun moments.

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I think. Uh, but again, like the first time he hit

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someone with that wrench, Oh my
gosh. And then you see it,

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you're like, whoa. I mean, the guy's selling selling pot or I

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don't know what he was selling,
but you know, tie stick or whatever

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he says. But you're like,
whoa, dude, that's a little excessive.

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But then like the the guy that's
trying to molest the little kid,

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then you're happy. You're like,
yeah, beat the you know, take

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that guy's head off. You know, you're excited about it. But again,

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Frank, yeah, this because he's
a shattered person and he's clearly like

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like the they keep interviewing the cop
on TV, and the guy's like,

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we're talking about a psychopath, you
know, and you can quickly go from

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beating people up to murdering people quickly. And we see that because now he's

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just standing in line waiting to get
into a movie theater and people cut in

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front of him. He's like,
he tries to he tries to do the

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right thing by saying, hey man, you can't cut you know, no

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no button into line, and the
guy you know tells him to f off.

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Basically, then he has that awkward
change. He just his cars parked

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right across the street. You know, he has an awkward change, comes

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right out and bashes that guy.
It's like, you know where part I'm

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not gonna lie part of me because
Dave, you and I have been going

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to movies together for twenty years now, and we've been in some theaters where

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you got people talking or you got
people being annoying, and you know,

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some people you know you want to
you know, they don't listen to being

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you know, you should show him
they don't. You know, they're not

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gonna respond to that. I'm telling
you. Part of me was kind of

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kind of smiling. But with that
guy, the rude movie patron gets what's

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coming to him with the runch.
It's like, yeah, that's what did

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you pick up the girl too with
it? Well, yeah she was she

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got in the way, and you
know, then he smashes hurt in the

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face and I'm like, dude,
you've gone too far now it's right,

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yeah, but uh you know he
and he you know, going too far.

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He tries you know, now he
gets hurt, right, you know,

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he gets shot. He goes to
Libby, reveals his identity because Libby's

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on. Libby's on to Frank quickly, Libby goes to him at at you

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know, where's a fry cooking?
Ask the question you are you him?

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It's cool if you are, you
know, because Libby is eating up the

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superhero thing right right? How how
ridiculous was was Libby's audition? Like he

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just what is that? One of
the most awkward auditionships I've ever seen in

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my life. Lebby finishes up.
I like that. Frank just with a

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with a questioning tone, goes cart
wheels. It's okay, you know what,

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just wants to be the kid's sidekick. You know, how old are

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you? I'm twenty two, but
still, you know, compared to you,

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I'm I'm a kid. So it's
just it's a It's a wild film

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man, absolutely wild. It's all
over the police. Yeah. I just

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I feel like Gunn does a good
job of the minute you get comfortable,

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uh thing, then he kind of
throws something at you that makes you like,

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oh dude, that's that's not cool. Yeah. The the the very

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awkward sex scene between Liddy and Frank
know one, I'm talking about that.

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Yeah, that's where I'm talking uncomfortable
and really uncomfortable. Yes, it was.

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And then he goes and throws up
in the toilet and then you get

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to see his puke become what it
was at the face of Sarah. I

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think. Yeah, it was just
like, oh my god, just so

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awkward. The film is weird,
you know, it just is. Yeah.

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You know we uh we were talking
about Kevin Bacon and how easy going

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he is. Are you aware he
was not the first choice for for Jack

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No, who was supposed to be
shocked. Surprisingly, Jean Claude van Dam

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was originally cast. Yeah, Bandam
is originally cast in this movie. I

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can see that totally. You could
totally see it, right, yes,

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a yeah, but uh, right
up until it was time to shoot,

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he kind of went a wall.
No one can get a hold of him.

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And James Gunn like they're they're ready
to shoot, and he basically decides

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like I can't I can't trust this
guy. I can't count on him.

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No, you can't have that not
making a movie. Kevin Bacon stepped in

405
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.319
a week before he had to be
on set at the very last minute.

406
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:32.799
So much like you swooped in today, Kevin Bacon swoops in to play Jacques.

407
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.440
Um. Yeah, and I have
to imagine there's other there's other casting

408
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.119
whatevers. Possibly. But before we
talk about that, let's talk a little

409
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.200
bit about the production of this movie. Yeah. Absolutely, um two point

410
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:51.880
five million dollar budget. Unfortunately it
owned only earned four two dollars worldwide,

411
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.160
was not very successful at the box
office. Um. But when it did

412
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.960
come out for streaming in DVD sales, it picked up a lot of sales.

413
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.799
I was there with that. So
get that cult following going, which

414
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.920
a lot of movies movies like this
usually do. Would you call this a

415
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:10.000
cult movie? I would? Yeah, I would too, right because yeah,

416
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:11.519
I didn't see at the theater.
I heard about it and I was

417
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.160
like, oh, let me check
it out. Well, the only reason

418
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:15.319
I watched this because you asked me
to do the podcast, and I was

419
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.000
like, Okay, there we go. Now now I consider it like one

420
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:22.759
of those unusual movies that I'll go
back to all right. Um. Super

421
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.839
was filmed between December of two thousand
and nine in January at two thousand and

422
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.559
ten in Shreveport, Louisiana, of
all places. Jeff, really, okay,

423
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.759
uh real quick, not I don't
want to cut you off, but

424
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.440
you know what also is awesome about
Louisiana. No, what that's where James

425
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.640
Buckley comes from? Is it really
our patron? Who is who's who has

426
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:49.480
made this episode possible? Yeah?
Are you serious? I cannot, You're

427
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.400
just like, yeah, I was
in Louisiana. I was like, wait,

428
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.319
this guy's I know this guy's in
Louisiana. That was not intentional,

429
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:03.200
by the way, that just what
a coincidence. You go again, please

430
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.160
thanks by once again, James,
thank you, please continue. Dave Sorry,

431
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.680
Yeah, absolutely no, that's that's
cool. Additional shooting was done at

432
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.559
director James Gunns home in La California, and the comic book store that we

433
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:21.400
see in the movie is actually a
real store called Comic Smash in Studio City,

434
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.119
which I think is a really neat
place to go a visit now,

435
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:29.480
Jeff, hint, hint, Wait, Studio City in Louisiana, Studio City,

436
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.319
California. Okay, I've wait,
Yeah, I've been to that.

437
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:33.920
I've been to that store. Oh
you have, then you've been to Yeah,

438
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.000
you're talking about Studio City. Yeah, I guess I've been to Comic

439
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:42.200
Smash. That's that's the comic bookstore
that you see in Super Holy Cow.

440
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.920
Yeah, isn't that neat? Yeah, I'd never even thought about that.

441
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:52.000
Well there, Yeah, I went
there with Brad uh years ago. You

442
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.279
know you didn't. I gotta now, I gotta, I gotta, I

443
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.440
gotta do some fact check. I
might be in the background. You never

444
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:06.720
know, You never never know.
Yeah, me and a coonamos Um.

445
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.359
James Gunn started writing this in two
thousand and two but clearly struggled to get

446
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:15.200
it made because well, we've talked
about the violence in this movie and a

447
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.279
lot of people didn't want to touch
it because of that. Jeff, I

448
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:20.880
don't know if you know this or
not, but did you know Frank was

449
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.079
supposed to be played by John c
Riley? Okay, so I didn't see

450
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:28.759
that. I was. I was
all excited about Oh I'm gonna let anyone

451
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.119
know about Van Damn. But you're
saying, so John c Riley is the

452
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:36.279
original? Yeah, Um, James
wanted John c Riley to play it.

453
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.240
He was writing it for him,
but apparently John c Riley wasn't what a

454
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:44.359
big enough name at the time.
So, um, that's kind of when

455
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.720
why they went with Rain Wilson in
that role. Really, because I'm thinking,

456
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:52.880
John c Riley this this movie comes
out in twenty eleven, so at

457
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.000
this point, he's already done Step
Brothers. Yeah, he's a big I

458
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.759
think he. I think he's done
Talladega Nights, right, How is he's

459
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:00.880
done Boogie Nights? I know for
a fact. How is it? How

460
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:05.759
did the studios not see him as
a big enough name. That's a good

461
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.599
question. That's weird and not that
not that I'm not wanting Ray Wilson in

462
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:14.279
this role, but yeah, I
just that's kind of strange. I think

463
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.319
part of it was, Um,
when he was doing writing the movie,

464
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:20.119
he wanted to bring this out sooner
than the two thousand and ten that we

465
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:24.960
got, so those movies came out
because he struggled to get it made because

466
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.240
the violence and stuff, nobody wanted
to touch it. So I think some

467
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:36.599
of it was that. But Gunn
his ex wife Jenna Fisher, who as

468
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:40.279
we all know, was in the
office with Rain Wilson. She recommended Rain

469
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.119
Wilson for the role of Frank.
So James Gunn you know, she gave

470
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:51.039
him the script. He liked it
and you know, became the part of

471
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:55.240
Frank. But he also brought on
Elliott Page because they were together in Juno.

472
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.599
Oh that's right, Ray Wilson wasn't
Juno yep. Okay, that's an

473
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:06.079
interesting way. That's an interesting connection. So Studio says no to John c

474
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:10.599
Riley, his x Y Jenna Fisher, who he's he's still friendly with.

475
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.800
You know, she's been in a
couple of his movies, right, So

476
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:23.400
she recommends Rain Wilson. Rain Wilson
recommends Elliott Page. I wonder who recommended

477
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:29.760
Economos. I'm not gonna lea.
I'm not gonna leaves. I'm not gonna

478
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.119
leave Steve A. Gela probably today
today. I love that guy. I

479
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:37.239
just love I love the character and
peacemaker, so absolutely. I know you

480
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.400
kind of alluded to what you'd say. You were saying, like your favorite

481
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:45.320
scene. Uh, one thing I
want to talk about. Uh, let's

482
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:50.639
talk about the pivotal scene in this
film. I'm not gonna ask you what

483
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.800
you like, what you don't like, what your favorite scene was I want

484
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:59.159
to know, David, is there
a is there one scene in this film

485
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:05.719
that you think is to its success
or pivotal to telling the story? Like

486
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.599
there is there one moment where you're
like, you know what, Without that

487
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:13.840
scene, this film doesn't work for
me. And I alluded to this to

488
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:19.639
at the beginning of the podcast.
It's the ending. How you're going to

489
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:24.440
bring this movie to a closure is
huge in any movie because it's gonna make

490
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:30.159
you realize, I've invested all this
time into these characters, and if you

491
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.199
don't give me the ending that I
want, it's going to just ruin the

492
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:37.079
whole thing for me. For this, I was getting to the point where

493
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.519
Frank was just bothering me. You
know, he was pissing me off because

494
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:43.360
he was this you know, he
was just going around beating people. He

495
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:45.599
was wanting to be a superhero,
but at some point he wasn't a superhero.

496
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:49.800
And then I understand what he was
trying to do. He's wanting to

497
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:53.760
get his wife Sarah back. But
what I loved loved about the script and

498
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.960
I loved about this movie. I'm
appreciate where James Gon went with it.

499
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:05.320
The fact that he gets Sarah back, only for Sarah to leave him again,

500
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:10.480
And to me, that built his
character into this. He did all

501
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:15.199
of this to prove to himself that
him and Sarah weren't to be together.

502
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:23.800
But he's a real superhero because he
was sacrificing himself for somebody else. She

503
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:29.320
went on to become a better person, She went on to have a family,

504
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:32.519
she went on to have kids,
a husband, and if he hadn't

505
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.760
done what he did, none of
that would have happened for Sarah. And

506
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:43.000
to me, that was pivotal for
the entire movie and made me appreciate Frank

507
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:50.639
Moore because he ended the story pretty
much where he began alone, but went

508
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.880
out of his way to take care
of someone. I agree with you on

509
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:06.000
this might be one of the most
emotionally satisfying endings to a movie that doesn't

510
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:13.079
have the quote unquote happy ending,
right yep, Because he does save her

511
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.920
life and I'm not saying yeah,
technically he saves her life from the bad

512
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:21.639
guys, but he saves her life
because he gives her the opportunity to have

513
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.400
the life that she should have always
had exactly, So I absolutely love that.

514
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.800
I love the fact, you know, the movie kind of they do

515
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.559
this great book ind thing with the
pictures on the wall. You know,

516
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.599
you talked about his two favorite moments, the day he married Sarah and the

517
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:40.079
day he helped the police officer catch
a bad guy. He draws almost like

518
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:43.840
a child wood. He draws the
picture and he puts him on the on

519
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:45.840
the on the wall, and it's
like his daily affirmation. Right, He's

520
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.719
like, I will look at these
and I will start my days off great

521
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:54.360
knowing that this is this is the
best I ever did. And now we

522
00:37:54.519 --> 00:38:00.320
when we come to the ending,
it's Sarah's children who know him as uncle

523
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.119
Frank, and he's getting the photo. He's getting their hand handmade drawings or

524
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.760
crayon drawings, and he's seeing all
this other nice moments that he did,

525
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:14.599
like where he's just helping people at
work and you know, he's friendly moments

526
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.440
between him and other people. And
you see that Frank has had the opportunity

527
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:21.840
to grow as a person. You
know, now he's not socially awkward.

528
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:27.199
He's out there living his best life
and it's not with her, but it's

529
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.519
still it's still pretty damn good.
Yeah, because he this is a character

530
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.480
that you know, it's it's odd
because, like you said, he is

531
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.480
right back where he started. But
he's back where he started. But he

532
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:42.519
also it's almost like hitting the reset
button because he now is a better person.

533
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.760
He's stronger, and he's he's happier, right right, yep. I

534
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:51.719
love that moment me too. That
changed the whole movie for me, It

535
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551
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So, Jeff, we know this
is directed by James Gunn. What can

552
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:07.840
you tell us about him? Dave? What can I not tell you about

553
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:13.599
James Francis Gunn Junior. Um.
I'll try to be as brief as possible,

554
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.280
because man, I mean, we're
not talking about someone that's been on

555
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:21.239
the scene for forty fifty years.
But there is a lot to talk about,

556
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.599
so buckle up, I will tell
you this. He is from a

557
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:30.199
big family from Saint Louis, Missouri. At age twelve, Like a lot

558
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:35.440
of directors we've talked about, he
begins making movies on eight millimeter with his

559
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:40.440
brothers in the genre of comedic splatter, which, if you think about his

560
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:45.239
work, that makes perfect sense,
right because he was actually inspired by Night

561
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:52.400
of the Living Dead thirteenth and Fangoria
Magazine. Nice, he's awesome. Yeah

562
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.599
yeah. So the crazy thing here
is he drops out of Saint Louis University

563
00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:05.480
High College preparatory school to pursue a
career in rock and roll. Really interesting,

564
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:09.840
okay he he uh. He forms
a band called the Icons. He's

565
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:15.519
the lead singer. They release an
album in nineteen ninety four called Mom We

566
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:21.360
Like It Here on Earth. Now, I can't tell you. Two singles

567
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.360
off of that album end up in
Trauma Movies. We'll have to talk a

568
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:29.519
connection. There's another connection. We'll
have to talk to Dayton Johnson at Docking

569
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:34.119
Base seventy seven to see if we
can get an album review of Mom we

570
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.360
Like It Here on Earth. So, Dayton, if you're listening, uh,

571
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.480
please help us out with that.
Yeah, get on that dating now

572
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:44.679
he does. Now. He does
eventually return to school, receives his BA

573
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:50.360
after After after college, he's doing
odd jobs here and there before interviewing for

574
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:57.000
a summer job at Trauma Studios to
file paperwork, and guess what, Dave,

575
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:02.280
he doesn't file paperwork. He gets
paid one hundred and fifty dollars to

576
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:09.679
write his first script, Tromeo and
Juliet. He wrote that. Yeah,

577
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:14.320
have you seen that one? No, I've heard of it. But it

578
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.320
is weird, dude. I mean, well, we're talking about Trauma movie,

579
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:21.599
so to say it's weird is that's
like saying, well, yeah,

580
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:25.039
it's a it's a movie. It's
that's that's all their stuff. The cool

581
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:30.639
thing here is that he actually befriends
Lloyd Kaufman, who we know who that

582
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:36.639
is. You can't talk about Trauma
without talking about Lloyd Kaufman. But Lloyd

583
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.400
actually becomes his mentor in a way. And while working with Lloyd Kaufman,

584
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.719
James Gunn learns how to write screenplays, scout locations, direct, produce,

585
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:51.840
create his own poster artwork. I
mean he's getting a film school education from

586
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.760
Lloyd Kaufman basically. Yeah, And
together they write the book All I need

587
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:01.079
to know about filmmaking I learned from
the Toxic Avenger M. So we gotta

588
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:06.559
put that on the shopping list.
Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, Now

589
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:08.400
he's got you know, he's he's
kind of got experienced. He writes a

590
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:14.119
script for Warner Brothers. Do you
remember the Mad magazine the Spi Versus Spy

591
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:20.599
cartoons, So he writes Spi Versus
spy for Warner Brothers. They pass on

592
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.920
it, but like what they see
so that instead they hire him to write

593
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:29.360
Scooby Doo. Yeah, I knew
he wrote Scooby Doo. Yeah. After

594
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.519
Scooby Doo, obviously, he goes
on to write both the Dawn of the

595
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:38.719
Dead remake and Scooby Doo Two Monsters
Unleashed. Now this is impressive because this

596
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:44.599
makes him the first screenwriter in the
history of cinema to write back to back

597
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.079
number one at the box office hits. So think about that. Dawn of

598
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.400
the Dead comes out number one the
box office. I remember you and I

599
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.239
went and saw it. Thing was
awesome. Right. A week later,

600
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.320
new number one movie at the box
office, Scooby Doo, Two Monsters Unleashed.

601
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.840
M Danny James Gunn. You got
it going on? Man? He

602
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:08.559
does, And you know, basically
it's at this point now he has he's

603
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:12.119
arrived. He can he can make
He can make a movie if he wants,

604
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.519
He's gonna direct something. Uh.
And before we get into his filmography,

605
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:20.960
let's just talk about two other accolades. You you kind of mentioned this

606
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:27.679
before, but he marries Jenna Fisher
in two thousand, The Adorable Pam Beasley.

607
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:32.360
You know they're married. A great
relationship. It only lasts seven years,

608
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:38.920
it ends on good terms. And
now he's currently married to Jennifer Holland,

609
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:45.760
impressive actress who uh we know and
love in the Peacemaker series where she

610
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:54.079
plays Hardcourt, co starring Steve Agee
as Economos. I can't get away from

611
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:58.440
that guy. Dave, you want
to talk a little bit about this filmography,

612
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:00.199
because uh, yeah, let's talk
about it. It's not it's not

613
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.960
a long one by Byney stretch of
the imagination, but it is quite impressive.

614
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.280
We talked about, you know,
his the writing, the screenwriting he

615
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:14.639
did with Tremy and Juliet and could
we do dawna Dead two thousand and six,

616
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:19.719
the monster movie Slither. That's very
that's a very unusual movie too.

617
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:22.760
I remember Nathan Folian plays in that
too, doesn't he. Yeah, you

618
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.239
got Nathan Phillion as as the police
chief. Elizabeth Banks, she's in it.

619
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:32.000
Michael Rooker playing the head, the
main villain who you know. The

620
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.880
thing, the weird thing is with
Michael Rooker, because I know we've already

621
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:40.639
talked about him. I feel like
somewhere in the nineties he goes from playing

622
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.960
hero or like cool guy, right, you know, I think like Cliffhanger,

623
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:52.440
Days of Thunder Tombstone, somewhere along
the lines. He like when he

624
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:54.599
starts shaving his head, he just
became a bad guy. Like it's the

625
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:59.440
hair man? Is it? If
you get Michael Rooker with a shaved head,

626
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:01.159
he's he's immediately a bad guy.
Think about it, you know,

627
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:07.280
mall rats, Uh Slyther, he's
he's always Yeah. I don't know,

628
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.960
I don't know. I don't know
what's that saying about us? We that

629
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:20.760
we look villainous. But uh,
Jenna Fisher, she's in She's in Slyther.

630
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.639
I love Slyther because it is a
good old fashioned monster movie. Yeah,

631
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.760
it's great. It reminds me.
Also, we talked on the nineteen

632
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:34.400
and six series. We talked.
I talked with Jason Colvin from Surely You

633
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:38.239
Can't Be Serious podcast about Night of
the Creeps and this is that similar thing.

634
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.800
You got these like slimy slug things
from outer space. Yep, you

635
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:46.320
know, crash land on Earth and
you know small town America and they're running

636
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:52.679
rampant disgusting. Though again, Gun
does not hold back on the gore in

637
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:59.000
Slither. I love it though,
it's just like, yeah, definitely shouldn't

638
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.840
because it's got it's community moments too. But if you've not seen Sleither,

639
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:06.360
that is that is fantastic. Ye. Uh. Four years later he's,

640
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:08.559
uh, you know, rights directs
a super We've been talking about that.

641
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:13.639
Um. He has built up a
name for himself obviously when it comes to

642
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:19.039
screenwriting, he's a hit maker.
And uh that's when twenty fourteen, the

643
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:23.960
the MCU comes knocking and his career
really takes off. Guardians of the Galaxy.

644
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:28.239
Yep, I'm gonna ask you because
Dave, I know you're an avid

645
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.320
comic book reader, just like just
like James Gunn and just like myself.

646
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:37.639
Were you aware of Guardians? Because
I know they're we're talking like at this

647
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:40.039
point, they're they're they're I don't
even know if they're se level characters,

648
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:45.719
right, you know, I think
I I vaguely remembered them in like a

649
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.519
team up, but that I couldn't
have told you anyone, because I remember

650
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.039
when Guardians comes out, I was
like, I don't know if this is

651
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.440
gonna work. I was the same
way Jeff, Um. I didn't know

652
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:58.239
anything about it because I remember when
it was being announced was like, what,

653
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.239
who, I don't know this comic
book, And then when the trailer

654
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.599
came out, I'm like, oh, this actually looks pretty fun, And

655
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:09.079
sure enough it was a lot of
fun. Yeah. Guardians of the Galaxy

656
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:15.679
the tenth film in the MCU with
and Man at a time where people are

657
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:21.159
starting to go Marvel's getting a little
a little bit, you know, the

658
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.079
formula is getting a little old.
This completely changes the game. Right,

659
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:29.119
Oh, it was fresh, all
new characters. We've never seen a new

660
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:34.239
story. Absolutely, yeah, I
loved it. Something two years later,

661
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.760
twenty sixteen. He doesn't direct this, but he does write it and produce

662
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.840
it. Did you ever see the
Belco Experiment? No, I've not seen

663
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:44.559
that. You gotta check this one
out. Aside from the fact that it's

664
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:49.320
a really cool horror film, it's
this weird. It's like a social experiment

665
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:54.159
that goes horribly wrong. So you're
in an office building where it's almost like

666
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:59.840
Jigsaw from Saul is in charge.
It's like a corporate, corporate setting and

667
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:07.039
these uh, these employees get locked
into their high rise building. A voice

668
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.440
basically comes on and says, you
know, no, not everyone's getting out

669
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:14.960
alive. So it's it's it's almost
like a it's like a battle royal type

670
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:19.519
of situation where here's the weapons and
if you don't start killing each other,

671
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.719
everyone dies. They have to make
choices. It is, it's crazy.

672
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.480
Michael Rooker is in it. Michael
Rooker, I think if I remember,

673
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.000
he plays like a maintenance guy.
I think it is wild. Though,

674
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:34.960
Sean guns in it. I can
tell you that, Yeah, of course

675
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:38.679
he is. But it's it's a
really cool thriller. It's a it's a

676
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:44.360
fun horror film. I would definitely
put it on your radar because it's cool.

677
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.320
You'll you'll like it, I promise
you. Okay, back to back

678
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:54.960
to Marvel Guardians the Galaxy Volume two
Kurt Russell, who we love, but

679
00:49:55.079 --> 00:50:01.000
not a lot of people loved Volume
two, Now I did. So did

680
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:05.360
you ever understand like where people were
like it wasn't as good, Like are

681
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:09.079
they just being superhero snobs? Or
I think so because I enjoyed that movie

682
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:12.320
a lot. I don't know where
they're coming from on that. It had

683
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:14.119
a lot of motion, it had
a lot of heart, and it had

684
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:16.719
a lot of comedy, and I
was very entertained it did. And that's

685
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:21.119
the one that kind of gives us
like that's where Drax kind of takes the

686
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:24.000
comedic route, you know, with
his like I'm so still, you can't

687
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.719
see me. Yeah, I don't
know. I loved it, you know,

688
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.599
rockets, rockets coming into his own. I think it's a fantastic film.

689
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:36.719
I loved it. Um. So
right after this, he does what

690
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.760
might be one of the coolest superhero
films that that you don't know as a

691
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.840
superhero film. Now he didn't direct. Again, Dave, I'm cheating a

692
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.039
little bit because he didn't direct it, but he did. He did produce

693
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.639
this one, and you know,
I think he had his hands were in

694
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.119
it a little bit. Um.
I'm talking about a film called bright Burn.

695
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:57.440
Oh I forgot about that one.
Yeah, did you see that?

696
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:02.079
It's the the idea, the synopsis, if you will. It's what a

697
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:08.000
Superman landed on Earth and wasn't good, wasn't a nice guy. It's all

698
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:15.079
about Elizabeth Banks, who we you
know, who was in slither Uh her

699
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:20.480
and her husband like they they they're
farmers, you know. The meteorite crashes

700
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:24.400
very much Superman like they they there's
a baby inside. They Hey, it's

701
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:29.440
our it's our child. You know, and then as his kid grows up,

702
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:34.760
he gets strong, he gets these
powers, but he's a little he's

703
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:38.119
a little dark. Yeah, well
it's yeah, he doesn't understand like it's

704
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:42.840
like he just like he's got that
child childlike mentality of like I want something,

705
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:45.760
and if I want why can't I
have it? But the only thing

706
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:50.719
is where you're normal twelve year old, like you can ground and send him

707
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:54.519
to the room. This kid can
like burn your skull open with with lasers

708
00:51:54.519 --> 00:52:01.039
shooting out his eyes. So it's
a it's really manum but really cool.

709
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:06.559
I love Brakeburn. It's it's one
of those, you know, great superhero

710
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:08.400
film that you don't know as a
superhero film. Yeah, loved it.

711
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:13.639
Well, it sounds like you loved
it too. In twenty twenty one,

712
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.519
though, he goes back to the
I shouldn't say the lighter side of a

713
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:21.960
superhero, the other side of superhero
world, but he does go to the

714
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:27.000
other side with the DC Extended Universe. Does the suicide Squad? Would you

715
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.920
would you think of that a lot
of fun? I know they had done

716
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:34.760
a suicide Squad before, which ye
wasn't that good? This one was much

717
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.079
much better and of course, the
James Gunn in control. That's why it

718
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:38.920
turned out as good as it did. I had a lot of fun in

719
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:45.920
this movie. I'm I'm I'm one
of the few people that it's willing to

720
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:50.519
admit that the first Suicide Squad.
I liked it. I enjoyed it.

721
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.559
It had its it had its major
mistakes, but it also had some really

722
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:58.480
cool stuff in it. Ye.
But James Gunn taking his version, and

723
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:01.800
this is where DC is smart.
James Gunn is brilliant because it's not a

724
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:07.400
remake. Nope, it's just it's
a continuation. Right, So the first

725
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:13.000
one counts. The first one is
is in Cannon and he finds a way

726
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:16.400
to make it his own thing.
Keeping a couple couple of characters from the

727
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:22.480
first movie holds him over. Yep. It introduces us to a whole new

728
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:27.440
cast of incredibly awesome characters. Uh, definitely looking at you sliced alone with

729
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:32.920
with King Shark and I did too. I did too, Absolutely loved it.

730
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.599
And James Gunn gets his taste of
DC and we know where that's going

731
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:42.920
all we do. And uh,
ironically we were just talking how remember how

732
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.960
I said, Uh, Guardians of
the Galaxy was the tenth movie for the

733
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:52.079
mcu ye James Gunns. The Suicide
Squad is the tenth movie for the DC

734
00:53:52.360 --> 00:54:01.960
Extended Universe, So coincidence maybe maybe
maybe not? Maybe So he's been busy.

735
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.360
We've got Dave. We're just a
couple of days away from Guardians of

736
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:12.559
the Galaxy Volume three. Can't wait
hitting hitting theaters. I am super excited

737
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:17.360
for this one because that trailer it
looks like all bets are off, Like

738
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:20.239
I, you know, you and
I were talking when we first saw the

739
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.039
trailer, like, someone's not making
it out of this, you know,

740
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.239
is it? Is it Peter,
No, No, it's tracks. No,

741
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:30.559
no, it's rocket Like the trailer
like whoever cut that trailer is brilliant

742
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.519
because you just don't know what to
expect, right right, Yeah, they

743
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.239
hide it well, but it's definitely
gonna be an emotional roller coaster. You

744
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:39.920
can see it's coming. I think
you're right, it's it looks so good.

745
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:45.159
Um, this is this is a
great way for him to to head

746
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:49.239
out of the MC take take his
exit. Yep, Because we didn't really

747
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.360
talk about the Holiday special. Do
you want to talk about that real quick?

748
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.920
The one where we get Kevin Bacon
in it, which I think is

749
00:54:55.079 --> 00:55:01.360
hysterical. Yeah, that was.
I like that Disney is doing stuff like

750
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:05.000
that, where hey, it's gonna
be a couple of years before you see

751
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.119
this these guys together again. But
here's something fun for you to hold you

752
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:13.639
over. Yeah. When I first
heard wait, James Gunn's doing a holiday,

753
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.000
a Christmas special for the Guardians,
I gotta see that. I don't

754
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:19.639
know how that's gonna work, but
I thought it was fun. I enjoyed

755
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:22.920
it, you know, and it
got me excited for Guardians. The gota

756
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:25.800
see volume three until the trailer came
out, and then was like, oh

757
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:29.480
wow, this is it's funny.
Don't get me wrong. The trailer has

758
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:35.599
some funny moments, especially between Nebula
and Peter in that elevator or wherever they're

759
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:39.000
at. But but for every moment
that you want to laugh in the trailer,

760
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:43.360
there's there's two moments where you're like, oh man, this doesn't look

761
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:46.320
good. You corrupt. What's gonna
happen? I know? Yeah, speaking

762
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:50.599
of what's gonna happen, uh,
we gotta talk about what's next on his

763
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:54.079
plate? Yeah, you know,
what's something next on his plate? Superman?

764
00:55:54.599 --> 00:56:00.480
Yeah, Superman legacy. Yeah,
he is writing it, he's directing

765
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:05.360
it, he's producing it. So
I'm gonna ask you, Dave, because

766
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:10.440
everyone immediately had an opinion. So
look, you know me, I'm one

767
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:15.639
of the biggest Superman fans out there. Yep. I love Christopher Reeve.

768
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:22.679
Oh yeah, I have loved Henry
Cavill in the role Gun. You know,

769
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.320
he gets the he gets the job. Ever at DC, he's running

770
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:30.239
the show. Now he's going to
kind of make a they're kind of wiping

771
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:36.480
the slate clean, so to speak, and starting from scratch, and you

772
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:39.960
know, Henry Cavill does not fit
into his Superman plans, so you know,

773
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.760
immediately he you know, he starts
a little bit of a backlash.

774
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:47.440
But of course I'm gonna say this, I get it, Like, you

775
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:52.719
can't restart an entire franchise. You
can't do a whole bunch of world building

776
00:56:53.199 --> 00:57:00.000
right where you're gonna have like,
you know, three maybe four more Superman

777
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:05.800
movies or three four more Superman appearances
with with a Superman that's that's not age

778
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:09.320
appropriate. And I say that meaning
you know, you know at the time,

779
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:13.599
like let's just assume that you know, the next Superman movie is gonna

780
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:17.800
be a hit. Well, we're
a good five six years away from the

781
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:21.440
next one, and at that point, Henry Cavill is gonna be in his

782
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:23.599
his late forties. I believe maybe
he's going too old for it. Yeah,

783
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:29.599
so I love his performance, and
I think that I think the mistake

784
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:35.679
here wasn't in recasting. It was
just and not moving forward like an else

785
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:39.519
World's title where we get one final
Superman movie with Henry Cavill. Yeah,

786
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:42.639
you know, kind of like and
they're doing this Els World stuff. You

787
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:45.519
know, Matt Reeves has the Batman
right, you know that's going on.

788
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:50.280
Todd Phillips, you know, he's
got his Joker thing happening. We got

789
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:53.079
a new Joker movie coming out.
I don't think it's I don't think it

790
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:58.199
would have been out of line to
have Henry Cavill give him his right off

791
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:01.320
into the Sunset film. Do take
one of the take one of the many

792
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:07.559
numerous popular graphic novels. Yeah,
and uh, and do a Superman movie

793
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:10.880
with with Henry Cavill one one last
one. I mean, could you imagine

794
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:15.480
if we could have had Henry Cavill
do like Red Sun. Oh my goodness,

795
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:19.320
how great would that have been it
would have been wonderful and then just

796
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:24.119
quietly, let's reboot with Superman Legacy. So yeah, yeah, interesting enough

797
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:31.480
Superman Legacy. So James Gunn just
recently he because he's pretty vocal on social

798
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:36.599
media, and he was talking about
how, um the casting process is going

799
00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:40.000
with the film and it's coming together, and he says he's excited and he's

800
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:46.239
relieved. So again, this guy's
track record with superhero movies. I trust

801
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:51.760
him. Yeah, Dave, listen
to this. Uh. Here's the official

802
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:58.320
synopsis for Superman Legacy. Superman Legacy
tells the story of Superman's journey to reconcile

803
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:02.440
his Kryptonian heritage with his human upbringing
as Clark Kent of Smallville, Kansas.

804
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:07.480
He is the embodiment of truth,
justice in the American way, guided by

805
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:14.039
human kindness in a world that sees
kindness as old fashioned. Now I do

806
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:19.280
know also, uh, I think
uh Gun has been on record of saying,

807
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:22.519
uh, I think who is it
Grant Morrison that did All Stars Superman?

808
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:27.199
Uh? He was, he was
influenced, heavily influenced by by that,

809
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.679
by that story, So true,
okay, cool, I think it

810
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:32.400
would be good. Uh DC there
you know, they got their first their

811
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:38.599
Phase one Chapter one Gods and Monsters. So we got this Superman legacy kicking

812
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:42.440
it off. We got a Batman
and Robin movie, we got Swamp Thing,

813
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:47.880
we got Supergirl, a whole bunch
of shows. I I'm hopeful at

814
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:52.320
this point. I am too.
I just don't don't put all the blame

815
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.639
on James Gunn, people who are
out there. This is a Warner Brothers

816
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:58.800
mess. James Gunn's going in here
and trying to clean up, and I'm

817
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.360
glad they finally have somebody who's in
charge, who is going to steer this

818
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:05.800
ship, hopefully in the right direction. I have faith in James Gunn,

819
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:07.480
I really do, and I can't
wait to see what he brings to us

820
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:10.840
on screen for Superman. And just
like you, Jeff, Christopher Reeves always

821
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:15.239
going to be the best Superman.
No one is going to come close to

822
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:19.079
him. Henry Cavell did an incredible
job as Superman, and I'm going to

823
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:22.199
struggle a little bit when we get
the new actor. But again, I

824
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.320
have faith in James Gunn. Speaking, I have a faith in James Gunn.

825
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:31.159
Do you recommend that the listeners check
out the film Super absolutely. And

826
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:36.000
one thing I would like to relate
to this movie in some way or fashion.

827
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:40.960
It relates to Eagle versus Shark in
the quirkiness, the way it was

828
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:44.679
shot, in the odd humor.
It really feels like that to me.

829
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.320
You're right now that I'm thinking about
it. There's moments I'm watching this it

830
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:53.880
does feel like Takai is behind the
lens on this. It does. There's

831
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:59.840
moments I felt Kevin Smith was behind
the lens. A mixture of a lot

832
01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:01.800
of that, and you get that
vibe when you're watching the movie. So

833
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:07.519
yes, see this movie because it
does. It's violent, it's got some

834
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:09.079
humor, it's got some fun.
But in the end you're going to get

835
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:14.559
a good message. Not one that
you want to watch with the Kids'll tell

836
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.800
you that right now, but I
say, yeah, absolutely check this one

837
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:22.840
out. It is not a it's
not your run of the mill superhero film,

838
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.679
and I think part of that is
what makes it makes it so good.

839
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.719
I agree, Dave. Where'd you
catch this one? I saw it

840
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:32.679
on TB. I had to watch
a few commercials, but I got to

841
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:37.519
watch it for free and got to
enjoy a good time. Can I just

842
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:43.639
can I just give an unsolicited promo
for TB right now. I am.

843
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:45.559
I am not a paid actor.
I am not a paid voice actor.

844
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:52.639
But I will tell you I love
to be this man, I don't.

845
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:57.480
It just blows my mind that it's
free. Like you don't have to be

846
01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:00.840
subscribing to anything. You just have
to have it on your TV. That's

847
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:06.480
it. Yeah, you know,
And there's so much good uh. I

848
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:09.800
mean, this is a situation where
you can watch these these underground, you

849
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:15.760
know, independent movies like like Super
they've got new stuff. Yeah, they've

850
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.800
got the entire series of like Miami
Vice and the A Team Like you,

851
01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:23.400
I don't care what, Joe,
you want to watch, it's probably on

852
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:30.559
two B Yeah, uncut movies.
But like you said, you're gonna you

853
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:34.639
know, you're gonna have some ad
breaks occasionally, and I don't mind,

854
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:40.079
don't you know? Ye? Who
are we to question free content? If

855
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:46.239
that right? Ye? All right? Well listen, I think that's gonna

856
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:51.320
do it for us. Uh,
Dave, Uh, I know, I'm

857
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:54.039
gonna see you in just a few
days because we're gonna be heading We're gonna

858
01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:59.440
be heading back to the box office
to see Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three.

859
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:01.880
We gotta make time. We're gonna
stop in the studio and uh and

860
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:07.000
and give our give our listeners a
review on that one. You think I

861
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:10.000
think we should. I feel like
we we got a little lazy. We

862
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:13.880
you know, Well it's not No, that's not the right way to say,

863
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:16.000
Dave. We've been busy. There's
been so much, there's been so

864
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:20.840
much going on. Uh, but
we've still been seeing some good movies.

865
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:25.119
Uh. And we'll we'll let you
guys know, uh what we think about

866
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:30.840
Guardians of Galaxy for sure. All
right, Well, Dave, I'm gonna

867
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:35.480
ask you before I let you go. Uh. I know you guys only

868
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:38.800
have a few episodes uh left,
Yes, but I'm curious, what do

869
01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:42.880
you what do you guys got next
week? What are you what are you

870
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:46.320
guys doing on um on a film
at forty five? Um, well,

871
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:52.519
we're still going down the rabbit hole, you might say, with another animated

872
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:57.519
classic from the nineteen seventy eight,
which is a watership down Jeff, I

873
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:03.639
have not seen that since I was
very young. I'm sure it did a

874
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:09.320
little bit there. Oh man,
you guys will cover that one. I

875
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:11.559
can't. Yeah. I loved what
you guys had to say about Lord of

876
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:15.199
the Rings, because again that was
as a kid, that's the cartoon I

877
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:18.360
always remembered, was you know that
in the Hobbit and you guys were fantastic

878
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:23.679
on that one as well. But
uh, I'm I'm kind of excited because

879
01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:29.079
the next time on a film buy, we're gonna talk about another blockbuster director

880
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.519
uh jj Abrams, and we're talking
about one of your favorite We're talking about

881
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:34.159
one of your favorite films, Dave. Oh yeah, I love that.

882
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:38.400
We we're gonna be talking about we
know what that is, right, Yeah,

883
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:43.960
let them know Super eight. Super
eight a film about young James Gunn

884
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:50.719
making splatter comedies or camera. It
is not about James Gunn, but it

885
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:54.559
is awesome and we'll be talking about
that one next time as well. So

886
01:04:55.639 --> 01:05:25.320
until then, we see you next
time next time. M I've had the

887
01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:29.960
voice of Burlives all freaking day.
In the minute I hit the record button,

888
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:34.679
I sound like Smiggle trying to up
piece of bone from a fish or

889
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:40.199
something. It's ridiculous, ridiculous,