Martin Campbell - Casino Royale

0:01 This may be too much for a blooded instrument to understand. Any movie geek can make a podcast. I want you to take your ego out of the equation. So you want me to be a half reporter or half influencer. I knew it was too early to do another Bond episode. Well, I understand our double OW episodes are quite popular. So let's talk about a film by Martin Campbell, his two thousand and six relaunch of the James Bond franchise, Casino Royale. Hello, everybody, I'm Johnson, Jeff Johnson.

0:56 I'm Amber Lewis, and this is a. Film by podcast Amber. I am so pleased to have another double O on today's briefing with us. Uh. You can hear him every week co hosting the Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast along with Dee Graves. He is a dear friend. He has joined us many times over the years, so you can be sure he has a license to pod. Oklahoma's native son, the Jason Colvin. Hello, buddy, Hey, what's up? How's everybody doing out there? We're we're loving you back, man. It's we've been waiting all season to have you back. You know, you're the You're our go to guy. You're like, you're like our very own Steve Martin hosting Saturday Live.

1:41 Come back, right, I'm your brother from Langley right here. I'm the Felix lider. You know you are? You are if we if a film by had a Felix letter, it's it's gotta be Jason Colvin. I didn't think about that. And guys, we've this is not our first time together discussing Bond, right, I mean, I mean we've had some fun, a couple of fun episodes, a couple of collaborative efforts, right, Jason, we have done the top. We did a Bond girl draft, like draft your best Bond Girls, and we talked about all the best Bond girls. And then we did a Bond song draft where I think you're involved in that as well. Oh yeah, and we even went as far as creating our own Bond song and that was a lot of fun.

2:28 So I remember you guys both just had amazing themes and I was like, man, I thought I hit a home run, but I can't. Dame Amber Lewis has really put me in my place. You know, we had a lot of we've we've had a lot of fun with these collaborative Bond episodes. I know some of our buddies, like like John Reid from the thirty something Movie podcast, Pat, you know, Deaf Dave's been there before, Bill Bant from the the All Eighties Movie podcasts. We've it's it's fun, Jason. I can only imagine we're gonna do another one at some point. We're gonna have to either do like a draft for Best Bond Villains or maybe Best Bond Gadgets.

3:13 Maybe absolutely, I think Best Bond Villains. Maybe the next one up. Oh, that'd be a good one. Forget our good buddy Van Allen Plexico mister oh gosh. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, he's he's been with us. He actually this is a this is not our first time doing a Bond film on a film buy. We actually had Van join us. He's he's obviously he is a go to Bond expert with on Our Majesty's Secret podcast. You know his his show that he does. Uh. He he joined us for Moon Baker when we had our film at seventy five series. A lot of fun, a lot of fun. He's he's great. I'd love to have him back for another Bond episode. I'm sure we'll do one another at some point. Now, I know we I know we're excited to talk about Casino Real. But I got a shout out one of our listeners. We got a guy, Bobby Gibson. And Bobby I know for a fact he's listening. And I'll tell you why. I Amber, Uh, Bobby reached out to out to let us know he he discovered us a few months ago and in that short amount of time he has listened to more than three hundred episodes from our library. Wow. Percal Evans, Yeah, I mean you won't and Amber, you won't believe this.

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6:58 Yeah, I was kind of a collab conversation between you and I, so, well, you know, we're always looking out for our listeners and what can we do to you know, make them happy. It was your idea, man, that was brilliant. I have freaking limit. So thanks well Bobby and everyone else out there listening. Like I said, you can find all the exclusive bonus episodes head to www. Dot Patreon dot com slash a film by podcast. Sign up now for a free seven day trial, or just sign up for as little as three dollars a month and you'll get all that good stuff. Jason. You guys, what's the what's the Patreon for for Shirley? Is it just the It's patreon dot com slash Shirley podcast.

7:40 There you go, There you go. All right, guys, Martin Campbell, this is not the first time we've talked about a Bond film. As we said, uh, it's not the first time we've talked about Martin Campbell. You can go back a few seasons for our episode on the mountain climbing thriller Vertical Limit to learn more about Martin Campbell. But in the meantime, I've got a few things to share about him and a quote. He has often been credited with launching the international careers of Antonio Benderis and Catherine Zeita Jones. Little film he directed nineteen ninety eight, The Mask of Zorro, which I'd love to talk about Zora at some point. Did you guys know there's a new Zoro show coming out? Oh?

8:24 Really, No, I didn't, but we're gonna do Mask of Zorro over on docking Day next week. Oh well it is I'd love to talk about. Yeah. Well, yeah, I forget that. You you work part time over there Amburn. You still got a foot in their door. So Martin Campbell, now, this is something I know Jason knows already. I'm not going to impress him with this one. But for those that don't know, Martin Campbell has the distinction of being the only director to direct multiple actors in their debut as James Bond nineteen ninety five, he introduces who was it, Jason.

9:05 That was Pierce Brosnan in GoldenEye? Yes? Uh? And then obviously today's feature, Uh, Daniel Craig casina her out. I'm thinking it wouldn't it be cool if they brought him back for the new Bond whenever they you talk about the decision. No, Martin Campbell, Oh gosh, Well, here's the thing. I got. I got one more fact for you that tells me he probably won't. No, but uh interesting, interesting enough though, Brosden and Craig, this is the guy that gives us not only their debuts but a relaunch of the Bond franchise. When you think about it, because GoldenEye was kind of like, we're hitting the reset button right now.

9:46 I amber, as much as all of us want to see Martin Campbell do another Bond film, he was personally approached by Tom Cruise to direct Top Gun Maverick, a film Jason and I absolutely love. H He turned it Cruise down, saying, hey, I'm seventy five years old and an action film on that scale, I just can't do it anymore. So he recommended Tom go find a younger director, and you know, Tom listened, and you know, I'm I'm I'm happy with Joseph Kazinski, you know, but you gotta wonder what Martin Campbell's Top Gun Raverick would have looked like. I don't know if you could have kept up with Tom honestly.

10:28 Right, you know, if you were doing an MVP for the Bond franchise, I mean yeah, I mean obviously you've got foundational people like Sean Connery, you know, yeah, Roger Moore. You could make a case though, that the MVP of the franchise is Martin Campbell because he sort of saved the franchise two different times. You're absolutely right, you know, after Timothy Dalton, which I love Timothy Dalton. I think he's great, but for whatever reason, those movies just didn't quite land as well as they should. And you know, they took off what six years Yep. It was like, is Bond dead? We're not sure, Maybe we let's take another shot at this, and then he revives it with Pierce Brosman.

11:14 Well, and I watched both of these in preparation for this podcast episode, and it's really amazing to see like the two completely different styles where you're introducing a new Bond into the world of Bond that we already know, and then you're completely resetting the Bond universe with Daniel Craig, and he did both just amazingly. Well, you know, when you think about Jason, you brought up Timothy Dalton's Bond films. I think the problem there because they're great films. I think the problem was they were just a little too early. Because Timothy Dalton, if you didn't know this, he gets offered Bond back when it's like nineteen eighty one, Jason for your Eyes Only.

12:05 He got offered Bond for Her Majesty's Secret Service. Yeah, well it was like twenty five or something. He's way and you know. I can't remember why he said no to that, but I remember when he got offered for Your Eyes Only, he said, no, it's just it's too campy, it's too you know, I just I can't do it. And he he was in favor of a more realistic, a darker bond, and that's exactly what he gave us. And I just don't think we were ready for it. You know, took us until about two thousand and six to get ready for that dark bond. You know, yeah, and you know, and we're good for it. But on the favorite aspect of filmmaking, Martin Campbell had this to say, I like pre production and post the best.

12:54 I don't like shooting at all. I find it grueling. Yeah, I find it grueling and tough, But I love post and the whole process of seeing the film finally come together. That is exactly, like, almost verbatim, what Alfred Hitchcock said about every movie is it. He loved he loved preparing, and he loved like getting it ready, you know, to go to the audience, and he hated everything else. It's just I can't imagine the homework part, the research part, is like your favorite aspect of it. It's wild. I mean, I get it, Jason. Me and I've talked about this before, where you record, you have a lot of fun with the episode or your guest, but then you really have a good time putting it all together, you know. So I understand where he's coming from. But it's just you think, being on, especially for a bond, from all these exotic locations and the stunts and the spectacle. He's not having it.

13:49 But it's time for one of my favorite things, which coincidentally is one of Amber's least favorite things, the five word synopsis. Yes, Jason, we have we've missed you this season, but as you already know, we are not We're doing the big blockbusters this this year. We're celebrating the anniversaries of two thousand and one and two thousand and six, so we're taking We're going after the big movies. We don't typically do this. It's been a lot of fun, but we also know we don't need to give some drawn out, three or four paragraph synopsis what the movie's about, and we're having some fun with We're having a lot of fun with our listeners too. We've had a lot of people starting to write in and drop us on social media and give us their five words synopsis. So, Jason, I'm gonna give Amber a chance to, you know, get her final answer ready. But if I ask you about Casino Real, how do you how do you describe it in exactly five words? Okay?

14:52 So before I give you my five words synopsis, I just want to tell you I'm on team Jeff when it comes to the five words synopsis. Okay, Jason, how could you not six words? It's not double O seven words, it's five word synopsis, right, Yeah, and even I had a good six word synopsis, so I threw it out because that's against the rules. Yeah, even though this game. Yeah. Uh So here is my five word synopsis for Casino Royale. Okay, Bonds, Balls save the World. That is absolutely accurate. Oh my god, wow, I I didn't have that. I didn't see that coming up.

15:41 The Venn diagram of vulgar and true, you threaded that needle right. Down the middle there. Listen, you want to talk Vin diagrams, Amber, when you're combining sophomore humor and bond, Jason, Colvin is right there in the middle. It's PERFECI. Oh, I thought that's a tough one to follow Amber. Mine Mine is boring as all hell. Now, like what do you got? What do you got for yours? So I am always thinking of it as well. If it's like I don't know, I feel like it's a competition, like you're I'm supposed to win by creating something that you can't necessarily guess. So I didn't want to use the word of Bond. Okay, So I said spy kills two Gamble's big.

16:35 That is very stop and think, you know, because this is Bond's origin, He's got it. You have to become a double O. You have to have two kills on your on your resume. I like that. Amber, That's okay. You're I don't know about Jason's Bond's balls, but you definitely have You definitely have me beat Amber. I had Spy plays Poker loses girl. So that's good. That's what it is. Yeah, you get an A for completing the assignment. Yeah, well I turned it in my homework. I'm definitely taking third place. I don't know who wins, but I'd love to hear what our listeners have to say about about those two real quick. I gotta can I shout someone out from you know this is Amber. This month we're doing gambling, good Guys, and Blockbuster part threes. So last week you and I had an awesome time talking about Ocean's eleven. Yes, I had challenged. I said, hey, if anyone out there wants to try and do an eleven word synopsis, because it is Ocean's eleven, let's see what you got. And uh, you know I gave one.

17:46 You know, no one else did, No one else did until recently. Are our good friend Doug Gray. He dropped this on me. He said, uh had to rise to the eleven word challenge. So here it goes Clooney led cons con cons in Vegas and Clooney gets caught. It's it's a little bit of a tongue twister. And I was like, wait, wait, oh, now I get what he's doing. Yeah, yeah, so Doug, fantastic job. Yes, absolutely absolutely love it. Yeah, we're gonna have to We're gonna have to send Dug something, you know for sure. Yeah, if I tried to do a laugh of work, Yeah I didn't make it work.

18:30 Well, we'll fire up that that printing press on the T shirt machine. We'll get we'll get more, you know, and I'm happy to do that. So the black and white prelude for Casino real immediately lets us know we're talking. We're taking Bomb back to basics. That that neo noir aesthetic. It reduces the fantastical, campy tone of two thousand and two is Die Another Day, and now we've got a little bit of grit in realism. How do how do you guys? How do you guys feel about Craig's spin and shoot in the barrel gun? Oh? I like it? You like it? I hated that that that kill it was he messed everything up with that one in the bathroom little bit kind of made up for it.

19:21 Yeah, well think about this, Jason. Every bond has walked right to left into the gun barrel and then give us a little spin and shoot. Craig's no no walking with Craig. He's just he's, oh, there's my gun. I've destroyed this bathroom. I love that it was a connected to a scene, right. The other Avar. Scenes are kind of random, you know, just you know, even the Sean Connery ones, it's not even Sean Conry, it's his stuntman, right. Yeah, I love that. We we get Daniel Craig in action with context where he was, you know, so I thought it was cool. Yeah, I absolutely love the black and white aesthetic. I love that it's it's definitely a hard reset. You gotta think, like and you know, again a call back to Timothy Dalton and his viewpoint on wanting a realistic, gritty Bond.

20:16 This is two thousand and six, so you got to think in the absence you know, from two thousand and two, we've had a couple Mission Impossible movies. We've had a couple of Jason Bourde movies. So we're seeing the realistic, the darker, more brutal side of spycraft. And I think, I think the right to switch it up. Can I can I make the case that there's one big movie that you're forgetting. Well sure, So, I mean I agree with you. I do think that you know, you've got the Bond history that you're reacting to. Right, So Dalton was kind of gritty early, and so we flipped it, you know, and Brosna was a little more campy and yeah, you know, and then that kind of got old and so now we've got a course correct as we go along. Well, in between the last Brosnan Bond movie, which I think was two thousand and two, is that right?

21:11 Two thousand and two another day. So you've got the Born franchise, which was real and gritty and dark and kind of visceral, right, and then you've got the Mission Impossible franchise, which was doing the big epic action stuff. Oh yeah, but I think that the reason why we get this dark, gritty Bond. The The biggest franchise to impact this one is the Austin Powers franchise. And I'm totally not kidding because okay. Connect the dots here. Okay, I'm on the hood, so follow me on this. Austin Austin Powers is a satire of the old Bond movies, right.

21:54 Yeah, yep. The ridiculously slow killing machine and the with frickin laser beams. But all that stuff can be found in old Bond movies. Right, yeah, to an extent. Yeah, you're to an extent, right, okay, And so the Austin Powers franchise they had to go so far away from all that stuff because people forget how huge that was at the end of the ninety and it drove the grit and dark and serious tone in my opinion they had to get so far away from the camp that it gave us this version of Bond. And that that makes a lot of sense actually, because I'm thinking GoldenEye, I think Brosden starts off with something that's that's action intelligent, you know, it's not too too absurd.

22:50 I mean, like we've and we get some amazing stunts. Remember when Brosen does that that bungee jump at the beginning of Gold one, and you're like, whoa, which is now that's just another day at the office, you know, if you're Tom Cruise. But we start there with GoldenEye, and by two thousand and two he's driving an invisible car and the bad guy's face is covered in diamonds. So it's kind of yeah, I guess you're right, you need you know, and then Austin Powers is just putting it in all of our faces. It's like you kind of we didn't have a choice. We had to go to a very gritty, realistic Bond. I mean, we don't even have the gadgets, Like you know, I. Was gonna say, there's no queue, there's no gadgets, no queue, like yeah, not even really quips like he kind of makes some smart alecky comments.

23:36 But yeah, you know, he's a he's a bit of a smart ass, but he's also. He doesn't say, like, you know, shocking or something. Yeah the electric. Well when when when Vesper says him in the in the acid Martin, when he reconnects the lead for the Yeah, it's you know, you expect like when he wakes up, you expect him to say that was a shocking experience or he doesn't, though, he just say is like shocking. Let's say Vesper and he goes, are you okay? Yeah? Are you okay? She's like me, yeah, which is a total bond thing to say if you're not gonna make a quip. So yeah, uh, just to kind of continue on with that path, I think you get. I think you know we're gonna talk about a favorite scenes tournament. But the shower scene with Whasper. Careful now, the the shower with clothes on scene with Vesper. Yeah, we don't ever get that side of bond.

24:37 Okay, well just let's let's let's let's let's pun it down the road a little bit. Okay, sorry, sorry, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna you cut your license to pod is about to be revoked double double Colvin. No, We're We're gonna get to it. You got know, listen, I'm excited to talk about some of these scenes, but I do want to before we leave this open credit sequence because I want to point out two more things. I think Doctor No is the last Doctor No back in what sixty two sixty four, that's the last time we had an opening credit sequence that didn't feature the silhouettes of naked women them they're gone, Amber, What? I don't know how to feel about it? How do you?

25:21 Amber? I love the cleverness of when the you know people that he kills break apart and they turn into the you know, playing cards, playing cards. Oh yeah, it's beautiful like the characters on the cards. And this is you know, going back to our our double O seven theme episode. I think we were all fighting over this one at one point because it is a banger, like how clever? You know? My name? My goodness is so good? Right?

26:02 I got it? I should have I feel I feel bad. I should have listened to that episode because I know I wanted to talk about Chris Cornell's Bond theme and I didn't. I can't remember who has it. I think I might have got it in like round three. I know I didn't get it, but I can't remember. Now I want to say because I because I'm a big Sound Garden audio slave fan. I think I it was on my board, but off the check, there's another reason to go back and listen to a really great episode with our friends. But Chris Cornell's Bond theme, Jason, you take any opportunity on the showy you can't be serious podcast to kind of give us the Billboard Top one hundred, Hot one hundred, Like, hey, I'm gonna give you the top five or the top ten, And I love those. I love when you get to do that for your guys' episodes, depending on what the show's about. So, Chris Cornell's Bond theme, Jason, you already know this. I'm sure it's on the Billboard Hot one hundred for you want to take a guest? How many weeks putting me on the spot here?

27:00 I musa say nine weeks, twelve weeks? Okay, it peaks. At seventy nine. What I know, I don't know. What's a long people? Yeah, now you both had we had again, we had a great time on that Bond theme song draft. So I went ahead and did a little bit of research. I went I went full Colvin on this, and I've got the top five bond themes for the Hot one hundred Billboard's Hot one hundred. Okay, Okay, before I give them to you, Jason, top five do you want? Do you want to take any guesses at what you would think top five bond themes would be for the Billboard Hot one hundred.

27:43 So I'm guessing that these are the ones that like ranked the highest on the Hot one. Yes, yes, the highest ranked bond themes on the Billboard Hot one hundred. What are the top five? I'm gonna say, you do a kill? Okay, I'm gonna say for your eyes only, I'm going to say live and lead Die. Yeah, I'm going to say, nobody does it better? Okay, And what's your fifth pick? My fifth pick would be. Oh my gosh, it's like totally what I was gonna say. It's a Sinatra. Okay, uh Amber, How do you think Jason did? Just then?

28:26 I was like right with him on all of them? Okay? The only one I question was I feel like maybe Goldfinger got on there somewhere. But okay, so you know what wouldn't have. Here, I agree with all his picks. Here is why you guys were so tough to compete against on that Bond theme song draft episode. Jason just named four of the five, and Amber with Goldfinger, you picked the fifth one that he didn't have because he didn't say Goldfinger. So here you go. Now, this was a bit of a cheap because three themes actually tied for fifth place, and all three of these peaked at number eight on the Hot one hundred. But Goldfinger by Shirley Basey was the number five pick, but it also ties tying. It was Adele's Skyfall and inexplicably Madonna's Die Another Day, which it's Madonna. Okay, yeah, you're right, it's Madonna.

29:30 It was early two thousand, so I guess, I guess that makes sense. But at number four, She Easton's For Your Eyes Only peaked at number four at number three, Live and Let Die by Paul McCartney and Wings peaked at number two. At number two, Nobody Does It Better by Carly Simon peaked at number two, and then lastly A View to a Kill by Duran Duran peaked at number one. That's a good list right there, Those are. That's a great list. Like, yeah, I'm very impressed by both of you though, because I was like, I could ask them, but they're probably not gonna get it, you know. And then you guys, you guys, you got them. You guys are five collectively. So yeah, great job. Yeah, great job to Dame Amber Lewis. Great job at Jason Colvin.

30:17 We are going to take a quick break and when we get back, we're going to talk more about Casino Real. Welcome back. We've got Amber, We've got Jason, we got Martin Campbell's Casino Real from two thousand and six. It is celebrating its twentieth anniversary this year. Hard to believe. Twenty years ago, Daniel Craig steps into the role of James Bond and I remember, do you guys remember seeing I remember seeing it on E E news television whatever they called that. It was coverage of the can Film Festival. They had him coming across the water on the boat. It was such a good introduction. It was awesome.

31:01 I was so mad because I saw layer Cake and anybody that saw layer Cake was like one hundred in on Daniel Craig, but nobody else was. Yes, so you it was such a frustrating summer when he was shooting that movie. You and Barbara Brockley go see Layer Cake and decide he's the next James Bond because that was her pick. As soon she sees Layer Cake, she's like, I'm done. We can do a casting, we can do auditions, but he's the guy, right. But before that, you got to remember, Pierce Brosnan is still willing and ready for a fifth outing, and he is all in on, like, hey, let's take it back to basics, Let's look at some of the Ian Fleming novels, Let's have a little more, you know, return to form. And ultimately he's let go by Eon because his agent was like, Pierce is going to need thirty million dollars and royalties, right, and they were like, yeah, we're We're just gonna move on. And I remember that that summer because you know, they announced it like a year out. And here's Daniel Craig. I think he was shooting The Visitors with Nicole Kibmen at the time, so his hair's a little longer, it's definitely blonde, and people are losing their minds. They're like, blonde Bond, No James Bland uhh, we're not. So that was like a backlash, and I remember thinking, hey, we we did this with Michael Keaton's Batman, Like, just let the guy get in

32:32 the tuxedo, give him a haircut, and let's see what happens. I can't imagine anyone not playing this role over the last twenty years. What about you guys. Well, that's what I love about Bond fans is like they all lost their minds and were like, this blonde haired guy can't possibly be a super spy. And then like the minute he did a good job, they're all one hundred percent and that's great, Like go for it, you know. And Jason, you've got you've got the strawberry blonde locks. Uh you get hired as Bond and they say, hey, Colvin, we're gonna dye your hair brown. Are you okay with that? Yeah?

33:16 If they're going to hire me to play Bond, heck yeah, I'm in man. Daniel Craig was not. I he said absolutely not. I know. He's The compromise is I will cut my hair very short to look a little more brutal and less handsome, but I'm not dyeing my hair. So I mean, well, that didn't work. But well, Amber, you're right. I mean, he's a he's a handsome guy. You know, he's he's a good looking Bond. You know, I think you think Amber real quick. Who who's the best looking Bond? Timothy Dalton? Timothy Okay, you didn't even hesitate. You shot right from the hip with that. Nope, I love Timothy Dalton. Who's the worst looking Bond? Roger Moore? Okay? But you're still like if Roger Moore shows up and he's like, who.

33:59 Down for any Bond? I like, I love this franchise so much, I don't care. Well before Amber gets herself in trouble. The short list of hopefuls that you know after once Brosen's out, so we're looking at Julian McMahon Anthony Starr, who would go on to become Homelander, which is wild to think of him as a Bond. Hugh Jackman was given the role and turned it down. He said, no, I don't know. I don't know what you Jackman's doing in two thousand and six. I mean, I know he's he's Wolverine at this point, but doesn't want to be doesn't want to be Bond. Jar Butler, Dominic West. They're all in the they're all hopefuls. Henry cavill is said to have given the best audition and everyone's choice but broccoli. And his only problem is that he's twenty two years old.

34:50 Yeah, he just missed the window. Like I think he would have been really good. He would have been amazing. Uh And I look, I get it. There were we're getting Dni villanw is getting ready to a new Bond. We're gonna relaunch it again here and I know we're going for like a thirty year old bond. So Cavel's out right, he's like forty five now, which is which is a bumber, But that's okay. If he can't be working for m I six, he's he's a Highlander. So we're you know, we're gett We're still getting It's all good. He's made Jason, Yeah, he was. He was made for the part. Jason. Can we talk about Daniel Craig's preparation to play Bond? You know a little bit about this? Well, I know he got freaking jacked, is get out.

35:36 He is. He is no stranger to fitness. He is a he's a former semi pro rugby player, So him putting on twenty pounds of muscle was kind of just yeah, let's go, let's just hit the gym again, because he was never out of shape. Let's be honest. He's uh, they hook him up with Simon Watterson if you guys don't know that name. He's a trainer to the stars. He's worked with a lot of the guys in them. To you, he's basically Daniel Craig's go to guy. Like from this moment on, he's he's working even as when he's hit he's playing uh Hercule Perro, Uh he's or not I'm sorry, Ben while Blanc. Yeah, Amber's like, wait what Ben while Ben while Bloc He's he's even training him, you know, for those movies. But uh, he's just high protein diet, lifting weights five days a week, cardio on the weekends. That's if you want to look like Daniel Craig Bond, that's that's what you gotta do.

36:29 Can I say something about that too? Because I appreciate the effort that he put in. What I what I typically don't like. I don't want my heroes to be super skinny. Yeah, he looks like a linebacker, right, He's jacked, but he's it's not like he's two percent body fat. He looks and yeah, he gets close, like yeah. Yeah, he he doesn't like when he's I mean, let's be honest. I think he is the best dressed Bond in the entire franchise. I'm gonna go ahead and say that. I'll to quote Jason from the Shirley You Can't be serious episodes. I will spike the football now and say he is the best dress Bond. Absolutely. But he does it like when you see him dressed, whether he's wearing the tuxedo, where he's wearing like the casual like the the chinos or the linen pants you know in the Bahamas, he doesn't look like like he's a w W wrestler who's like about that, like he's gonna split out his clothes.

37:30 He looks like a normal guy until he's on the beach and then you're like, damn, he's jacked. You know. And by the way, Amber, did you know that that fame the famous scene because like as soon as that scene got out, the tablets had it and he becomes like a sex symbol and he's like world sexy aestist, and that I am. Not a scene to admit that that was my computer wallpaper for. Quite a while. Say there it is. Did you know that he wasn't supposed to do that slow saunter out of the water the way he does. Can I remember something about it, but I don't remember the whole story. The so Solanges is galloping up the beach on horseback, and he is supposed to just be in the water waiting and then and then he's supposed to swim away.

38:19 The problem is he hits a sand dune not knowing it's there, and inadvertently steps up, finds like a new surface and just and just went with it. So hello Daniel Craig and the blue speedo and everyone loses. I don't know it. Was it accidentally or was it accident? I think? I think once it happens, every word this okay? Everyone, we're keeping that no no, no, take to we're going. With it. Riding a horse. I tend to spring out of this.

39:01 Me too, my friend, Me, me too. Let's talk about Eva Green playing vesper Land. Now. I don't want to spoil it, but well I won't spoil it. But our Bond Girl draft, she she went early in that draft right amber your thoughts on Eva Green's vesper Land. I didn't really like her the first couple of times I watched this movie, but she kind of grew on me after a while. Okay, is it the chemistry? Is it? Is it? What is it about it? You got me curious? Partly it was her accent because she's French, but she's kind of doing an English accent but not really. Yeah, and I didn't get it well or I didn't appreciate all of her tells okay, that were deliberate choices as tells for her character. So I thought she was just being like fidgety and you know, covering up bad acting.

40:05 And then after I watched it like on DVD, you know, and I had a better appreciation for what she was actually doing. Okay. I like that, you know, especially their their meeting on the train or they're sizing each other up, and I like that she's matching bond intellectually. You know, she holds she holds her own. Maybe she takes the upper hand. Honestly, I think she does take the upper hand because I love the fact that she's always ending the meeting before he can, you know, good evening, mister, and he's good evening, you know, it's like he's she she leaves him wanting more.

40:49 And I really love that about her character throughout the whole movie. She she does it time and time again. Jason Vesper one of the all time greats though. She is, she is probably my favorite Bond Girl. Is an absolute stunning actress to look at on screen. Yeah, and you're right. She she is there with a purpose, like she contributes to the story. She drives the plot. She is the money, She's every penny of it, you know. Yeah. I love that. She's not there like you know, good night, who is just there just to be in a bikini and that's all she does, you know.

41:29 Yeah, I love that. It's they're a team, right, yes, and they're they're a very competent team. And she's doubting him until he wins her over and then they kind of work it together. And then of course, the the end is incredibly heartbreaking and tragic and when I didn't see coming, so. None of us did. But I love that she's assertive too, because, like we've had all this whole franchise, the Bond Girls are essentially damsels into stry that need rescuing. You know that are there, Like you said that, they're there to look good in a swimsuit and they're there to be wooed by Bond. But I like how assertive she is, Like when he he misplays lashief and he you know, he's out of the game, He's like, all right, I need I need the other five million, and she's like, no, I'm not doing that, you know, yeah, and it's like, wait, she yeah. She actually she's the one that decides, you know, whether he gets another five million dollars a player or not.

42:28 And the fact that she is not budgeting, you know, and he's he kind of dows a tantrum, which is interesting to see James Bond dou Yes, She's just like sorry, buddy, you know. So she's kind of like a sexym, you know, so she is she is. That kind of leads me to the one thing I don't like about the script is during the big poker game, Gihn Carlo Giannini to tell the audience how much money is in the pot, keeps telling best for how much money, Like she's an accountant, she's the smartest person in the room. You're telling me she doesn't know to the penny how much money is on that table. Like, I don't think matthis quite understands her her role here, because he's all like, hey, you're hot, you're pretty, and you know, let me kissy on the hand or the cheek and yeah, giving her the you know, man'splaining everything like how how works to her, Like you're right, She's probably like, shut the hell up, dude, I know what's going on.

43:33 To see she's got it. He's got an ace. And a. Yeah, you know, she walks out of bar. He's like, I don't have to tell you how beautiful you look. It's like, dude, just stop trying, like, you know, let her do her job. Speaking of letting her do her job, Amber, we are relaunching the Bond franchise, and Martin Campbell says Paul Judy Dinch, because my best. Choice I ever made is all the things. I can't tell you. I mean, listen, I love Skyfall. I think it's a brilliant film. It's one of my one of my favorite Bond films, and it still makes me angry that we lose them. I just don't I'm not ready for it.

44:22 After all this, I mean, they do a good job of selling you on rape fines in a very short amount of time. So I don't hate it, but I hate it. Yeah, well i'll tell you what I don't hate her introduction in this film. She bolts out of that that room, that meeting full on Amber Lewis after a bad recording. She is just hot. How did they think they're doing? They're not, you know, like she's just full of piss and vinegar and it's awesome. As soon as that happened, I was so excited because I was like, wait, I remember seeing the trailers like that's Judy Dinch, like I thought, and are we restarting things?

45:04 Is how she am? And that's sad amazing. Thank you Martin Campbell for making that call. Judy Dench is so fantastic in this I absolutely love. I love everything she's doing, even like the you know, Bob being being a smart ass when he breaks into her place. You know, I'm you're you should be a little bit of afraid. Of my My favorite part is when he starts showing off that he knows her name and she says, utter one more syllable and I'll have you kill Yeah. Yeah. You gotta wonder like did they ever think like well, this is her name, she's she's Marjorie, or she's you know, Michelle or whatever you know? Or is it just like the fun joke, because I would love to know. It's like what's in the briefcase of pulp fiction what I'd love to know, you know. But I love how it's fun and it's playful, but then it's also very serious because like right before she leaves. I love the way Martin Campbell shoots Judy Dinch in that scene where she's kind of looking back but not looking at Bond. Don't ever break into my home again. And there's no threat, there's I mean that, it's just like, yes, mom, you know love Judy Dinch love.

46:19 One story that I love is the scene where she's awakened in the middle of the night because Bond hacked into her her Daniel Craig wanted so bad for the man in bed next to her to be like Brad Pitt, and he like begged for it. Martin Campbell was like, no, it's going to take you out of the movie, and yeah, you. Had to have it had to be realistic. That guy, I'm forgetting his name. He was actually the transportation coordinator for the film and did not know he was doing it until that day, and they're like, hey, can you hop in with Judy? Just roll over and look sleepy, Right, Okay, I'll jump into bed with Judy dead sure. You know, maybe Jason, you alluded to the fact we might have to do a draft for villains. I'm gonna tip my hand Earli here. Mad's Michelson's lashief maybe one of the all time great Bond villain introductions. I mean the confidence where he's calling out that, you know, the guy's got a seventeen point four percent chance of making his his hand the weeping blood condition, you know, like, yeah, I love that it happens. And then he he kind of innocently explains why he's not sinister, and the guy's kind of like yeah, I Mean, the bottom line here is he's he doesn't have He doesn't he's not like doctor No, He's not like doctor Evil. He doesn't have like his

47:50 private island and a security force. Yeah. He is an investment banker that just happens to work for terrorists across the world. Yeah. Once again, and it goes back to that realism factor. He doesn't have steel hands, you know, he doesn't have metal teeth. You know, he doesn't have any of these weird superviowers, but he does have a condition that makes him unique. Right, So the weeping blood, which is cool, that's that's mimorable and it's it is sort of grotesque in a weird way, you know, but he has a way like when he's staring at Bond after Bond drinks the poison drink and he's just like looking at him like, yep, it was me. What are you gonna do? Yes, I'm watching you die. You know. Stuff like that is really cool.

48:38 So what I love about him is he's I think the only Bond villain that's motivated by fear. Yeah, good point. Yeah, this is he is. Driven by oh my god, I saw this money and they are coming for me. Is this the first time we've seen a Bond villain who has no choice but the cower a little bit to other people, Like we see him a couple of times sweat like, hey, I'll have your money next tomorrow, I'll have it, you know, don't you know? He's kind of like a he's the villain, he's the scary bad guy, but he's also not He's also like on the run, so to speak. Sure, we're I think there are the Gondans. I can't remember, the guys that get screwed out of the money.

49:23 Oh yeah, with a machete. And they're about to cut her arm off, and I'm like, they might cut her arm off. You know, I'm expecting the first time I see this, I fully expect her to lose her arm and then you know, show up in a bond villain. Yeah, yeah, take take out your arm or I'll take off your Yeah, and for him to talk just to demean La Chief, who's on the who's still on the floor. He's like, wow, not a word of protest. You need a new boyfriend. It's a It's interesting because La Chief is he's introduced as this very menacing, sinister character. Then we kind of see him more of like he's groveling and he's desperate and he's afraid, and then by the end of the film he's he's scary again with that that uh that bull rope, with with the not the.

50:12 Rope, and all the time in the world that it's the grossest scene I think in any movie that is not determined to gross you out, Like you can't compare it to something like Saw because that's the whole point and purpose of that movie is grossing you out. But in a movie that doesn't have any of that, Like I remember sitting. I went to see this with my brother and I was like clutching his arm and like ready to get up and walk out. I have seen this movie countless times. It's one of my favorite James Bond films. And even with this recent rewatch the other day, every time that rope swings and mixed contact, I my my legs instinctively clutched together and I WinCE and I I kind of feel it, just a hint of it, and an Amber, I listen. I know you don't understand. You know you can't know what this kind of pain is. And Jason, you do, I'll ask you, I'll explain. Yeah, I'm not saying I'm not I'm not making that kind of thing. I'm not gonna But for an area of your body that is so exposed and not protected by muscle or padding or anything, it's you have to understand something. Amber. I think Eddie

51:43 Murphy did a comedic bit about this. Yeah, like you like your brain, the male brain has like three seconds to think, did I just get hit in the oh my, and then it's not it's not the pain that hits first. It's a it's a you feel like you're gonna vomit. It's this pain in your stomach where you I'm about to throw up, and then the pain hits and I'll just prove it. Jason, I want you to pick your torture. You're gonna be tortured. Sorry, So you can sit in the Sheaf's chair or you can you can hang with mister Indo and leath the weapon. What do you which? Which one are you taking? I'm taking mister Endo out by my ankles. Every day.

52:24 I will take the the water down sponge and the electric shock with I'll do that all day. I don't I don't want to. I don't want to sit anywhere near l Sheif's chair. I remember the first time I saw that, I was like, cool, butterfly knife, henchman, why is he cutting that out? That's funny? And I remember thinking, man, his balls are just me hanging out there. And then that rope on the should I was like, oh god, no, don't, don't do this, but it just. Felt like it went on forever. That's what makes it so painful to watch like hitting him once, okay, hitting him multiple times? Well, and they don't. It's again with the realism. They don't make it like he's the terminator and he's just so tough that he doesn't care. Like he's screaming yeah.

53:13 Two, Colonel Lozowski takes Rambo's knife out of like the fire and just slowly runs it down his cheek, and Rambo's just like, yeah, I love that. Daniel Craig is screaming out in agony with these hits because I think I think I'm gonna handle I think by the third hit, Jason, I pass out. I don't know what I'm done. I'm out, That's what I'm not. I'm not laughing at all, honestly. I mean, I like we said, I'm a girl, I'm not a boy. But I really think he just shows me the rope and I would give him the password, like I'll find another way to catch you. Just take the well, the chief knows better.

53:54 Do you hit him too, Alred, he's going to pass out and then what you know, you're not gonna get the password? Then I'll tell you that. Yeah. Yeah, Uh, such a hard scene to watch, maybe maybe all time worse torture in a in an action film. Just to kind of continue that thought. I know we're having any spot here, but uh, Bond is pretty uh feeling pretty frisky from the wheelchair. Well a woman, I would be like, you know what, we can just wait like or to. Suspension disbelief hits where I assume he's been he's been convalescing for maybe like a couple of weeks. I at least I want to hope, or he's just I mean, listen, remember one thing you may not understand again, because you know, we a guy can have pneumonia and if the girl's like, hey, he's gonna be he's we're gonna power through. You know, if I'm shot in the shoulder, you know I got time before the ambulance gets here. I'm clocking it. So provided provided that she can be careful around the area, Yeah, let's let's let's go for it. You know, sure, let's uh let's go uh one thing real quick before we go to another quick break. I got to point out the supermodel that plays Valenka Matt Matt la Chief's girlfriend.

55:25 I never picked up on this, Like for years watching this, I was like, what's up with the Jessica Rabbit haircut. And then it was pointed out to me, if you watch this her hair, her hairstyle is specifically designed to where it's always hiding her left eye, and in that regard, she mirrors the chief's you know, eye deformity that he's got going on with his left eye. When someone pointed out, I was like, wait what. They're like, yeah, didn't you pick up on that. I was like, no, that sounds like bullshit. But then I watched it. I was like, wait, her she always has her eye, her left eyes covered by her hair, and I thought, well, that's kind of a cool thing to shore, like, hey, that's you know, she's a chief's girl, and you know, inadvertently, I think I thought that was kind of cool. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll come back. We'll talk about some some fun stuff behind the scenes going along, and I don't even care because we're just having fun.

56:16 So I just say, it's a good time. Welcome back. We have been discussing Martin Campbell's relaunch of the Bond franchise two thousand and six's Casino Reale. I know, we all got some fun stuff, some fun behind the scenes stuff Amber. You know, Mom, what do you got for us? You know my favorite thing. I used to have this on on DVD. I need to get another copy. But on the you know, sort of behind the scenes making of they talk about the the flipping of the Aston Martin and the fact that this car is so perfectly made that they couldn't flip it, and they didn't want to do cgi. They really wanted to flip this car, and they tried everything and could not get this thing to flip. And they finally had to put an air cannon on it to get it to flip, Like you see them trying, and it just aerodynamically in mid air just catches back down on all four wheels and you're like, how did that? Even? It's almost cooler.

57:32 Than flipping the barrel. Roll that this this car does is just it's one of the all time greats when it comes to car stunts. I think, Jason, it's amazing. Yeah, they set a record, right seven and three quarterslips. Yeah, or rolls. I guess it's just it just it just breaks my heart though, to know that they destroyed three Aston Martins right doing this stunt. It's like it's maybe one of the most beautiful cars in the world. And it's that's one thing I this movie. Say what you will like this movie. We don't really get the gadgets and we don't get Q, but we definitely get the Aston Martin back. And it's as soon as that guy pulled up and in the Aston Martin and he loses it, the Bond and the Bomb was just like, oh this is this is too perfect. I'm loving it.

58:20 I'm wondering if if I'm misreading the timeline here. I think this is supposed to be the beginning of all this stuff in Bond's life, right. Yeah, he's his rookie rookie season, rookie years like. Bond year one. Right, Yeah, Well, when he acquires the Aston Martin in that poker game, the first time I watched it, I'm like, this is how he gets the Aston Martin like the one we see in gold Finger, and you know, with the ejector seats and all this stuff, and then by the end of the movie he crashes it. Yeah, I don't know how it all kind of works together. But yeah, because even in Skyfall, when he when he goes into the garage and pulls the cover off off the car, and you're like, oh, the Aston Martin's back. Yeah, you want you want to feel like, I don't know, it's it's I think the Aston Martin. It's just it's a it's a character, you know, and you want to just believe it's the same car even though it's not.

59:13 You know, I don't, I don't know. I got something for you. I got a few things. But I will bounce around here again. I told you guys off Mike, I said, I got some stuff you guys don't have because I just went off the grid. Here. Ian Fleming at his villa which is called what Jason gold Knight GoldenEye. Yeah, he is writing Casino Royale back in the day, and when he finishes the novel's first draft, he's celebrated by buying a gold plated typewriter. Huh now yeah, more awesome.

59:54 Just recently, several years ago it was bought for fifty two thous and he guesses as to who owns it, how. About Barbara Brook That's a good guess. Ambermm, I don't know, Roger Moore closer. Actually, Pierce Brosnan owns. I was gonna say, like his aesthetic. He's he is the more the more you uh, the further you go down the rabbit hole with Bond. Brosnan loves this character, always has loved this character, back to his Remington Steel days, has said he would love recently has said he would love to do Bond again as kind of like a like a logan type of you know, unforgiven, you know, I love a Bond. I would take it in a second if we could have like a little just a just before Dennis villa Neuve's relaunch, just give us one little kind of like a never say never again, you know, just like just a little little fun thing right before we jump in with another guy, Jason, another another Bond nugget, A double O nugget.

1:01:05 I've got a double nugget for you. Do tell I love this one actually, so as a fan of the franchise, the Chinese woman who is at the poker table with Bond and Leshi. Yes, okay, you're talking about the older woman. The older woman. Doesn't that feel like an Agatha Christie table of like it does? Everybody's got story, right, Yeah, what's the story with the older woman? Okay? So that actress her name, I believe, I'm not sure. My Chinese is not what it you know once was.

1:01:45 But I think her name is sai Jin Okay, okay, she plays ling in You Only Live Twice? What she is that actress, that older actress. I only know her as an older actress. I can't believe this. If you remember, at the very beginning of You Only Live Twice, Sean Connery is in Ben and he's talking about how Chinese women taste different. She's like, you think we bet to He's like, no, just different, and she pushes a button bed flips up the machine gun him and that leads to like, Bond is dead right. That actress is the same woman who pushes the button and kills Bond and.

1:02:27 You I can't believe that now. I gotta watch that one again. Yeah, yeah, going back for You Only Live Twice. Wow, I never would have came up. That's awesome. Uh Remeber The next time you your head to the bar and you want a vesper, just remember this the way Daniel Craig orders it. That is accurate to Ian Fleming's novels. Yeah, but it will legit knock you on your toshi Like it's delicious, but it's so strong. I've got the ingredients right, behind me at my barcart. Yeah, yeah, we're talking. So for those of you listening, if you want to make a James Bond style martini, uh, specifically the Vesper, It's three parts gin, which if you're going to be a purist, Bond purist you want to you want Gordon's. It's one part vodka and Bond prefers grained vodka, so you know, might want to go with an absolute.

1:03:26 It is a half part of Quina lillet, which is no longer available. It's now just lilt, so you want Lilt blanc, I think is what they call it. You shake it over ice until it's cold, and then it is served in a cocktail glass for reasons that are never explained, with a slice of lemon peel for the garnish that is the vesper. It's really tasty, but you like, take one step and you're drunk. It's well, it's it's good too, because like you know, I know a lot of people aren't big fans of Gin, but when you see him in the movie, he's like, that's good. And then you see like she like he leaves his drink at the bar and she drinks it and she's like you know, like everyone's like, oh that's good, you know, yeah, definitely, Jason, can we can we drink some vespers at the at Shirleyfest three this fall.

1:04:14 I'm sure this double agent named Jeff Johnson can make that happen. Yeah, I'm I've been a bit of the bartender at the Shirley Fests, So I think we need to create like a I'll bring the I'll bring the materials, I'll bring the ingredients. Maybe we create like a poker game, one of the night's little Texas. Hold them game, you know, shaking nutsteared. Yeah, well, unless someone starts weeping blood from the ryeball, then I'm like, I'm out. I'll be like, Okay, it's gonna Retromania, play some video games. Oh man, I know you guys are ready to talk about a scene, and I've got one that I'm excited to talk about. Jason, we're gonna we're gonna you know, you're the guests, so we're gonna defer to you before you tell us which scene you want to talk about. Tell us why we're talking about it. Is it because of a great performance, is it the cinematography? What do you what are you thinking?

1:05:11 The reason why I picked this scene is because it sets a great hook. Okay. Now, the payoff, I would argue, is not there, but I didn't know it at the time. Okay, interesting, all right, and. This was talking about it. Well, the scene I'm talking about is after Vesper's after the Vesper incident. We'll call it that in case somebody hasn't seen the movie. They've had twenty years. It's okay, okay, after Vesper, after Vesper passes away, Yes, she leaves some clues to Bond to mister White. Yes. And at the end, you know, the mister White shows up and he takes a phone call and he's like, who is this mister White? Yes, and then boom, he gets shot, like taken out by the ankles, right out and on the ground, and all of a sudden, Bond is stand and over him. That's the the first time we have the line Bond James Bond.

1:06:05 Oh yeah. And I remember watching it in the movie theater. I was like, oh my gosh, he got mister White. He's you know, he's got him dead to rights. What's gonna happen? And it totally you know, we weally. We go back to that scene at the beginning of Quantumbo soulism. Now they blow it in my opinion, but the fact that he catches up with mister White at the end has him dead to rights and is gonna do whatever Bond does. That in the movie Theater was so cool and such a neat way to end that movie. So that was my favorite. I think it works like you're waiting every time you see a Bond movie, you're waiting for that line, and in this situation, you've watched the entire movie and you're like, Wow, they're not doing it well.

1:06:50 I mean well, and the pressure too, like everybody's waiting for you to say it. How are you gonna say it? Yeah? You know, I I think Bond, James Bond, probably up there. It's in the finals with I'm batman for an actor to say that that line of dialogue in a franchise. I don't know what else is up there, Jason or Amber, you know, if you guys got some thoughts, But I think I think that's the finals right there. And there's something about it hitting at the end of this movie, with it being Bond's origin story that just makes it perfect. I think remember Theater, I felt like that's it I got my money's worth this.

1:07:30 Well, and he's got like the great suit on and like everything about that sequence. Big rifle, it's not his alter it's you know, it's a big gun. Yeah, right, Amber, Let's talk about a scene. I love this scene so much. It's my favorite part of this movie. The poisoning scene. Yeah. Maybe one of the most intense sequences in any Bond film ever. Yeah, and just the the you get all the storytelling with you know, no exposition. It's all in people looking at each other and close up of the glass and you know what happened, and the cleverness of Bond, like the first thing he does is grab you know, assault shaker and a glass of water. And then the spycraft that you haven't gotten through the whole movie. There's no queue.

1:08:27 There's a little bit of m but not really engaging with Bond other than the show up and yell at him, you know. But this is where you get that spycraft of I've got these tools in the car and I've got my team working to like keep me from dying, and that whole sequence is just brilliant. I just absolutely love it. I wait for it every time. The I mean hats off to the makeup department because from his amazing acting where he looks like he has moments from death, like just the cold sweat that he's got and the delirium and the clumsiness of his movements, it's perfect. And even even with like you're just you're just on the edge of your seat with the guys back in My six, because they're all like, you know, Bond's going in the cardiac arrest and everyone's like rushing the.

1:09:25 Guys try to figure out what it was he was. Yeah, what's what's he got? You know? Yeah? Lead Tech is like you're going to pass out in twenty seconds to do exactly as I say, or you're gonna die. It's like, okay, dude, the clock's tick. Yeah. And just when he's fumbling and hitting that grit that red button and even before like don't have the red button yet, it's like, oh, Amber, great scene because it is so just nerve racking. I mean, I don't care how many times you see it. It's you just you get you get sweaty. It's yeah. I mean, I love the action sequences in this movie. I think they're great, But for me, that is like the most tension felled well I think.

1:10:07 I mean, this movie's got some incredible action sequences. We haven't even talked about them. But the thing is, I'm never gonna run up a crane while it's thirty feet I'm not doing parkour through a construction site. It's it's it's awesome to watch, but I can't really relate to it. But having an elevated heart rate and a medical event, a medical emergency, I think we can all relate to that, and it makes it scary. It absolutely terrifying to see Bond go through it. You know, even him push the bloody button. You know, everyone's like losing their shit, and you know when you hear that flat line and you're like, what, how's he get out of this? And then boom there's Vesper reconnecting the lead. It's a It's a great scene, absolutely great. I want to talk about a different because Jason has given us a great lead up. We got our money's worth moment. You gave us probably the most anxiety inducing action piece of the film. I want to talk about Bond comforting Vesper in the shower. This probably the most emotionally revealing moment in the history of Bond.

1:11:26 You know, she's in shock after witnessing and kind of getting involved in these brutal killings that happened in the stairwell. Bond finds her still fully dressed, sitting in the shower with the water running. I oh, by the way, the script, I don't know if you guys know this, the script called for her to strip down to her underwear, and that day on set, Daniel Craig said no. He argues and says, there's no way she would ever just take her dress off. She would not, She wouldn't stop. She's she's in shock, she's suffering. She's not gonna get undressed and then walk in. Let her, let her be closed. It'll it'll play better. And everyone's like, yeah, that's that's the way to go, and it's it's a beautiful moment. I think, you know, it lacks the glamour and the confidence that we usually see in Bond, and it kind of opts instead for the like compassion and vulnerability. In my opinion, I just I love the way it's shot.

1:12:21 It's like tight shots, it's it's minimal dialogue. The score is really beautiful, and I think it kind of foreshadows the trauma that that Daniel Craig's bond is gonna suffer for like his whole his whole run. You know, I don't know, and I like, I love the fact that that what we see there, that's that's one take. But that shot is one take. Campbell was like, we can't do it better after that first one cut, Brent, we're moving love that scene. What do you guys think about that one? It's incredible? Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, Jason, you started like at the end of the hour, you were like, hey, let's talk about those shots the guy. Yeah, not for nothing. It's like wicked sexy too, and he puts.

1:13:06 Her he's comforting her. Yeah, but like sexy too. It's it's well, it's soft. It's not like he's. He's not trying anything. The finger the finger move like when he when he puts her fingers in his mouth. It is sexy. It's a sexy moment, but it doesn't play sexy. It's not like, well, he's not trying to try. Yeah, he's trying to. Yeah, he's just you know, she's like I still feel on my fingers and he's all better, you. Know, just use his watch too, like remove the zebra on her. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just I mean just the smooth, the fluidity, fluidity of their other other movements. So I mean just like, you know, you cold, she's shivering, Are you cold? Yeah.

1:13:54 He don't even look. He just reaches up, grabs the lever, turn the hot water back on. It's a it's a beautiful moment. I think it's one of the I think it's one of the best moments between Bond and Bond Girl. Well, I think he tells you who he really is. Yeah, because the rest of the time you're you're seeing who he wants you to see. Yes, he's cocky, and he's he's brash, and he's he's a bit of a brute, you know. Yeah, even at the end, she's like, oh, you got your armor back on, I'm never getting back in and he's like, no, I'm yours taken from Yeah. You know, it'll be interesting, just kind of funny. We you know, we've talked about the scene where he's fighting the Ugandans in the stairwell, you know, and he kills both of them. They both yep, but they beat the crap out of him. In the meantime, Okay, he goes he showers, he shows back up. He looks like a million bucks at the card you know, the card table.

1:14:43 What's the blind? Okay? Then he gets poisoned, He goes into cardiac arrest. He basically dies in the car. He's pouring with sweat. He goes the showers, it comes back ten minutes later. What's the blind? Okay? I'm ready to get like all these incredible things are happening to him, and he keeps showing up in his tux looking awesome. You know, well, that's a. Power of a really good dinner jacket. How many, Yeah, there are dinner jackets, and then there are dinner jackets. He's got the ladder. You know, look how many how many? How many shirts did that tucks come with? Because he's burning through the pretty cool pretty quick. But you know that the brilliance of this movie and the and the and the writing. La Chief even points it out. You've changed your shot, mister Bond. You know that's because we're all thinking, like, wait, you're not getting that thing is saturated in blood. You know, some of it's his, some of it's not. You're not cleaning that up, You're not just like, you know, get some club soda.

1:15:41 So I love that La Chief points out that he has changed his shirt. So I think that I like that. Absolutely. All Right, We're gonna take one last break and when we come back, we will wrap things up. So back to Martin Campbell Jason Colvin. If someone will just Casino Real and they say this director's pretty awesome, and I get it. He's done some big stuff. I know he did Bond, he did Zoro, But I like the the underrated stuff is, can you recommend something maybe that he has written, or that he directed, or that he even maybe acted in that's underrated that we could talk about. So here's here's my off the wall answer. Even though it is a big movie, I still claim that it's underrated. Okay, Okay, I don't believe that GoldenEye gets enough respect in the Bond universe. To me, it's a top five Bond movie.

1:16:41 And so if somebody were asking me what's an underrated movie by Martin Campbell, I'm gonna say Golden Nye, It's underrated. Pierce Brosen as James Bond and the resurrection of the franchise saving it from the death nailed. That happened in nineteen eighty nine. I love it. I think it's great, and I think he doesn't get enough credit for it. I if if my name was are like Goldfinger and you said do you expect me to talk? I would say, no, mister Colban, expect you to die. I don't know, man, that's uh. You're you're talking about a game. Are you talking about a movie that relaunched the Bond franchise? Maybe is the most important game for the Super Nintendo the Amber? Uh?

1:17:33 I don't know about this one. Well, I kind of feel it because, like I said, I just rewatched it to see both Camps movies, and for me, the thing with with Golden Eye is the song like you got Turner and Bono and I freaking love that song. And then you remember Xania on the top because she's like so off the walls bonkers. But when I was watching it, I was like, you know, holds up. I mean the computer stuff is kind of like like what you people in the eighties thought the high tech computers was going to be.

1:18:18 Like there's but Spike Scent, lunkhead. Slug heads. Yeah, but I enjoyed it much more than I remembered. So oh I love it. I think I I have to give Jason. You know me, I like to all the rules. I'm gonna get Yeah, you're the rule breaker of the show. What was I thinking? Like? Uh, is it okay for him to break the rule? You're like, yep, yep. I'll tell you what we we saw her. We saw Funkle Jansen uh last year in Michigan, and I as soon as I saw her, since I locked eyes on and I was like, I immediately thought of her her thighs and not in that way, just you know, in a.

1:19:02 Body were featured prominently in Golden I was. Like, yep, I get it, totally get it. So all right, I'll yeah, Amber, what's your recommendation. Well, I played by the rules, you'll be happy. I considered you've. Got going, you know what. I was so ready for you to break the rules so I could, I could, I could go in on you and be like, you've got a bloody cheek? What do you got? What? I considered it? But I've got From nineteen ninety one, he directed a movie called cast a Deadly Spell. It's streaming on HBO Max Okay and stars Fred Ward, Quincy Brown, David Warner, Julianne Moore.

1:19:46 Wow. And it is. That's crazy. It's a forties like gumshoe kind of story. You had me at Remo Williams, right, That's why I was excited to watch it. I'm like, Rimo's in it out there. Okay. So it's a he's a forties like gumshoe Okay, in this universe like it's our world, but everybody can do magic. This sounds cool, but he does not do magic. He chooses not to because he doesn't like, I don't know, he feels like it's shooting or something. So he gets hired by David Werner to find the Necronomicon, which is this big book of black magic.

1:20:33 Yeah, and okay, I'm I'm sold. I'm it's like Philip Marlowe, but with magic. It's kind of I am watching Big. Trouble in Little China vibes. I don't know you you are. I'm all. I'm all for this now. Yeah, and listen, I just finished Spider Noir on Prime and I watched the black and white version, so all week long, I've just been itching for more hard boiled detective forties noir style gump shoe. This is it's it's definitely in. That Universe, Remo Williams, The Necronomicon and Yeah I'm in Little Philip Marlow and Big Joe Little, Yeah, I'm in.

1:21:19 I'm in. I'm gonna give you guys one. I don't know if you've seen it, but it is, it's a must watch. Nineteen ninety four, he directed a film called No Escape and I bet, I bet it's on. I bet it's on to be right now to B or Pluto, like it's around the clock on those two apps. But Amber, it's Prime. Oh, there you go. Listen if you haven't seen it, Prime to B. There you go, if you haven't seen it, it's a it's a little bit Jason, you've seen it. Yes, it's been a long time, but yes, sad you called out ray Lioto. So it's it's a little bit Lord of the Fly and a little bit Escape from New York with Ray Liota and Ernie Hudson, Lance Hendrickson, Kevin Dillon's in it and Amber. Basically it takes place in the future twenty twenty two. That should tell you something. But criminals are dropped off on these planets and Ray Liota is like this marine, this disgrace marine who kind of has like an Arnold Schwarzenegger beginning of Running Man vibe, you know, where we all think he did something terrible and it's actually his boss. But anyways, there's like one band they're like the Outsiders and like they're like the evil criminals, and then the other criminals are like reformed. I think I think Lance Hendrickson. He's like the they call him

1:22:50 the Father, and they're all about like, hey, we we did something terrible and we're we we repent and we're gonna get on with our lives. And it's basically like the Warden is like kind of like a real shit heel, like the Warden from Shawshank Redemptions. He's he's like pitting them against each other. It's awesome. It is so awesome. Can't recommend it enough. And I will say this much. And Jason, you've seen it, you might want to do a rewatch after I say this, But you gotta remember Campbell was hired to direct Pierce Brosnan and GoldenEye directly after he does No Escape. And if you watch No Escape you will find several things from that movie that are revisited in Gold Eye.

1:23:36 Okay, I need to rewatch that Yeah. If you watch No Escape and then you immediately watched Golden Eye, you're like, you're you become that that Leonardo DiCaprio meme where he's like pointing out the TV like wait, wait, wait, wait wait, which you know, Hey, listen, when a director rips off his own stuff, I don't think it's it's not stealing. So That's where I'm at with it. But yeah, really cool movie. Uh, definitely got to check out. Well. I mean we've we've all we've all seen Golden I, but we're gonna go back and revisit it again. Now Jason's mentioned it, and then this one you're talking about. Amber Cassadelly spell Like, I cannot wait to watch this. So about to do a Martin Campbell triple feature myself here.

1:24:19 I know we recommend this movie. Amber. Do you own this one? I know you mentioned like you used to have one of the copies. IV I have a digital copy now, Yeah. Okay, how about it? Jason, are you. I need to get like the big Bond box set is what I mean. When that Bond box set first came out, it was a stupid amount of money. Yeah, but now it's not. You can get it on. You can buy it online or you can get it store pretty realistically priced. I've got it. It's like a Blu rays set with all of them. And when it came out, Skyfall had just had just come out and they left. They knew Spell was they were already in pre production on Spector, so they left a empty slot in the box set of the Daniel Craig case so that you could put Specter in there.

1:25:10 Nice. So I was like, that's really cool, because you know, now, like when I look at mine, I'm like, Okay, I've got everything ever made up until now, and then we get a new Bond and I'll start a new one. But yeah, the just the. I'll be honest, like you you aim a Walter PPK in any direction, you'll hit a Bond movie on a streaming app. But the Blu ray for Casino Reale is packed with extra features. There's a really good audio commentary from the cat or from the crew sorry not the crew cast. And you know it's in my collection, so you know I would strongly Yeah, Jason, I know you got it right, yep. Yeah, good stuff, guys. I I'm already excited for when we get together and do another Bond draft. I can't wait down, all right, Yeah, let's maybe maybe November, Jason, Like, we we typically do those in November, so that might not be a bad idea.

1:26:04 We we call some of the other double o's and see if they want to report for duty and do like a draft for villains, because I don't know where the Sheef's gonna go, but I think he's gonna go early. If we do a villain draft, I would have to. Believe I'll be there for King and country, my good man. All right, Well, next time on a Film By we'll start talking about these blockbuster part threes with another two thousand and six movie celebrating its twentieth anniversary, talking about Mission Impossible three. If you've seen it, tell us how you would summarize it in exactly five words. Again, Jason's Bonds Balls save the World. That's one of the all time greats. So if you please, that's top, top Jason Colvin.

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