1976 - A Star Is Born

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What's closely now? You're observing curious
exchange of entity? Are you a magmat

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of imagine? Eighty all? I
your what now? Hello everybody, and

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welcome back to nineteen seventy six.
It's a limited series from a film by

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podcast where we are looking at some
of the iconic movies from the year nineteen

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seventy six. We'll discuss what went
on behind the scenes, share some interesting

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facts, talk underrated moments and words
that matter. I am Jeff Johnson and

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joining me today. No stranger to
this show. You have heard them both

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multiple times on a film by podcast, but I believe this is the first

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time we were able to snag both
of them in the same episode. Talking

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of course, about our good friends
from Docking based seventy seven, Dayton Johnson

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no relation and Amber Lewis the Voice
of Reason. How you guys doing fabulous?

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How are you I'm doing. Happy
holidays to you guys. I hope

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you guys had a good one.
I've been looking forward to this because,

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truth be told, I have never
seen it. I've seen another version of

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it, other versions of it.
I should say. Today we are going

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to be talking about a star is
born. Two lovers who had everything,

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can you? But sometimes everything isn't
enough. I've never been die Barbara streisand

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Chris Christopher. So sat A Star
Is Born Now at a theater near you?

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Righted? R? Okay? So
this movie, Amber White, what

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is it? Four? Four times? This has been made? Technically five?

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The first one I can't remember the
title, but it has a different

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title. Okay, but it was
in like the thirties, and then it

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was remade as A Star is Born
with I believe Janet Gaynor. And then

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my personal favorite, the Judy Garland
James Mason sobfest rip your herd out?

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Yeah, that's a good that was
it nineteen fifty four? Yes, I

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think, okay, and then this
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Cooper Lady Gaga one. Right,
dayton, let's just get it out of

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the way right now, all right? What is the definitive version of A

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Star Is Born? Well, you're
gonna have to ask Amber again because I've

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only seen two of these. Now. I have not seen the early ones.

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I've seen the recent one we Bradley
Cooper and Lady Gaga, which I

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truly enjoyed. I thought it was
fabulous. Yes, it was really good.

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They did everything right in that version. So I have not seen the

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older ones, but this is for
actually first time watching the seventy six version.

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Okay, so right now, if
you if you had to, you

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know, choose only one, you're
going with twenty eighteen, Yes, Cooper

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and Goga. Okay, yeah,
Amber, you've seen them all your choice.

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You might have tipped your hand there, talk about Judy Garland a little

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bit. Yeah, so that is
that your pick? Yeah, that one,

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to be fair, that one was
the first version that I saw,

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So that'll the first time you see
something always you know has a different feel

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for you. But I mean I
just watched it again the other day to

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prepare for this podcast, and just
Judy Garland and James Mason, they both

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rip your heart out. I mean
it's just so emotional and so well done

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and just heartbreaking and really romantic.
But I did like the Bradley Cooper version

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very much. I was surprised.
I didn't think I was gonna like it,

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but I did. Yeah, all
right here in the middle. I

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have seen I'm gonna say two and
a quarter of them, because obviously I've

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seen the Cooper Gaga version. That
was my first. That was my Introduction

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to a Starsborn thought the film was
brilliant, Absolutely loved it. I think

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they were amazing in it. One
of the best, are one of the

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best films of twenty eighteen. Then
I've seen the seventy six version, obviously,

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and I've seen a lot of clips
from the fifty four version, so

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interestingly enough, I thought this was
kind of cool. This makes me want

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to go back and see all of
them, though, because I understand an

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Amber, you can you can clarify
this force is it? Is? It?

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Is it accurate to say that the
first two versions it's all about a

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Hollywood starlet who goes on to win
the Academy Award, And then with seventy

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six they change it up and now
it's all about music and it's about the

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winning the Grammy. So that,
however, but how close do they stick

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to the story with these Well,
you know, the fifty four version,

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so the Garland version, will say, and the Cooper version are very very

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similar. Okay, he really does
a great job as that, you know,

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broken down an artist, you know, really is the only person you

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could compare to James Mason in this
role. You know, he did so

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so well, and the story is
much closer with those two movies. This

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streisand version is kind of an outlier. Okay, it's a little bit its

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own thing. I gotta tell you, guys, I don't know. Maybe

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I need to see it, Maybe
I need to give it a couple more

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watches. I don't know if I
I watched the three times. So yeah,

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well, okay, once was enough
for me. Just put that out

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there right now, you know,
I feel better knowing like watching it,

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I was like, man, I
don't think this needs to be two hours

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and twenty minutes. And clearly a
lot of other critics at the time felt

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the same way. It's not that
it's a bad film, it's it's I

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would say, I don't even care
if you are or are not a Barbara

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Streisen fan, just to see her
in this movie. You know, if

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you're a fan of great performances,
right there, that's the best reason to

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watch this movie, especially you know
her the end of this thing. But

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I don't know, I just very
lukewarm on this, on this telling of

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it, and I'm getting the feeling
of maybe I'm I'm a good company here

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tonight. Yeah, is this where
you want me to tell you everything?

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I don't like about this movie.
You're always so positive man, And okay,

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you know I just showed up to
like, let me tell you what's

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wrong with this one? Well no, let me just tell you. I

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mean streisand her voice is spectacular.
You know, I will say, you

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know, I'm not much of a
fan of hers in general, but you

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know, I'm not going to say
that she didn't sound wonderful. She did.

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Yeah, but did we really need
to hear the complete version of every

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song she sings in the movie?
Yes? Well, yeah, well you

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do when the movie's two hours and
twenty minutes long, though, you know,

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you don't cut Streyson, Uh,
just doing a little bit of digging

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into the behind the scenes stuff.
The recording of Evergreen, it's it's all,

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And that's an awesome shot because it's
all one take. You know,

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she's got she's got a little bit
of the giggles. He's kissing on her

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while they're recording, and she insisted
on doing that live so that because she

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she refuses to lip sync apparently in
her films it's just not good at it.

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Yeah, you know, and you
know I can appreciate that, and

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that scene is like, for me, that's the whole movie. I can

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stop watching them like I ball every
time. Yeah, and then I can

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just turn it off and be happy. Okay, Well, okay, so

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let's let's talk about some of these
characters. I mean, there's only a

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handful that I really want to talk
about. Obviously, we got to talk

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about Esther, who is played brilliantly
by Barbara Streison. This was originally uh

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conceived for Carly Simon to do Dayton. You're I'm gonna put you in the

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studio executive seat. I'm bringing you
Streyssan and Simon? Who you? Who?

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You? Who you making the offer
to? Okay, So if we're

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going for a pop rock star in
the seventies, I'm picking Carly Simon.

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Okay, I think. But if
you don't an actress, and that's fair,

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and that's fair if you want an
actress, you know, Barbaris Streison's

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a pretty much Carly Simon could be
fabulous. I've never seen him do anything

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right. Well, that's true,
and the only the reason I can tell

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you from my mother in law's attitude, the only reason she watched the movie

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was because of Chris Christofferson. You
know, you know that was because she

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had a massive crush on the guy
me. He didn't really do much in

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this movie. You know, I
didn't do much for me at all.

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And well I'm just saying I didn't
in this movie, right. There was

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no chemistry between these two in my
mind except for the except for the studio.

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During every being back, he was
hamerd. He was chasing a bottle

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of tequila with a six pack of
beer. I mean, well, you

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know, there, I think there's
something that said. I think there's something

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to be said for the lack of
chemistry between them though, because evidently but

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they did. That's what's so funny. It's it's weird. But you know

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when you look at that when you
did, when you look when you look

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into it, though, it's like
the director couldn't stand working with Barbara streisand

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Chris Kristofferson couldn't stand working with the
director. It's like this weird triangle of

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like, I hate working with this
person. Yeah, but he also didn't

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like working with her either, because
he even said that almost curred him of

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working in movies. Yeah, Like
it's it's crazy, like you know,

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it's like he's there, he's there
to not get along with anybody. You

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know, and you gotta wonder,
like you know, she and it's been

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it's been said that she was very
egocentric, very controlling on this. She

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even directed several scenes that the director
refused to shoot and she thought the film

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needed it. So I could see
Babs being maybe a little little bit to

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handle. But uh, and she
probably you know, wasn't too shy about

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talking about who she really wanted.
She wanted Elvis Presley to be her co

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star. So I don't even know
what that movie would look like. It's

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not better, I can tell you
that much. Because Elvis can't act.

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He just can't. Sorry, what
about Lucky? What about Lucky Jackson?

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Viva? He cannot act. There's
a reason why he sings most of his

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lines because he can't act. Just
say, but I'm going to come to

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Barbara's defensive because there's always the woman
that is in charge and knows what she

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wants and is called difficult and a
handful and problematic to work with. And

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if she were a guy, I
don't think they'd be saying that. So

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Okay, you know, I know
she's a perfectionist. I know that she's

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you know, really meticulous about her
singing and the staging and all that sort

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of thing. But you know,
I mean, I think she's a genius,

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so let her do what she wants. And I think if there had

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been one clarified vision for the movie, it would have been better. The

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problem was you had a director trying
to direct, and she's going behind him

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and saying, no, that's not
what I want. Yeah. See,

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I totally picked up on there's no
cohesive story, like is it her story?

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Is it his story? We never
like him. I mean from the

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get go, I don't like him. She's not all the scenes. Well,

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so any scenes in the beginning that
we're meant to like endear you to

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him or make you understand him,
we're gone. See well, and you

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know, it's like the beginning of
the movie, she's like this. You

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know, she's been divorced, she's
learned her lesson, she's supposed to be

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smart and in control of her life. And then it seems like all of

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a sudden, she's I love you, want to marry you. I'm like,

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but he's he's not a good guy. He's obviously what's the appeal to

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her that makes her completely abandon everything
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movie that bothers me, and then
the end of the movie, she's sobbing,

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and I'm like, I'm like,
which story am I trying to get

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here? Am I trying to get
the you know this woman that learned from

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her mistakes and is gonna have a
better life? Or am I trying to

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feel sorry for him? And I'm
like, oh, poor rock Star,

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I got everything you wanted and oh
boo, who you know? I don't.

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I don't get any kind of connection
to him at all. So I'm

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watching this movie for two hours and
twenty minutes going I don't like either of

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them. I just don't. I'm
just I'm just waiting for the next song.

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I guess I don't know. I
love her in the beginning. I

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think you're right, yes, in
the beginning, in the middle to make

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it a love story, but in
the beginning where she's like, no,

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I'm not going to your motel?
Are you kidding? Yeah, she's got

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strength. In the beginning, I
feel And then I felt like, you

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know, right when she's like,
come on, let's you know, marry

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me, get let's get married.
I stopped for a second. I was

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like, wait, I I I'm
wide awake. Did I miss something?

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Is there a scene missing? Like
you know what I mean to be?

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He did spray paint her name backwards
on his wall, and that's pretty impressive.

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That was impressive. I was like, I'm like, he's just ruining

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his wall. And I was like, wait, wait a minute, I

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see what he's up to. Yeah, I gotta, I gotta twice before

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I realized, oh god, he
wrote it backwards. Even like, that's

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impressive. Yeah for a guy that's
that's that's high and drunk, you know,

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pretty much the whole time. I
like it. Dayton. I'm gonna

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throw another name at you. When
we're talking about the role of Ester.

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Another talented actress, slash singer was
was up for this and uh was forbidden,

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allegedly forbidden from doing it. Talking
about Diana Ross, Now, what

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kind of movie do we get if
Diana Ross is in this? Wow?

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Because now you've got a great actress
and you've got a great singer. Yeah,

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you know, I would that would
be very interesting that there's definitely an

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alternate universe where I watched that movie
and Billy D Williams, oh whoa,

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okay, well done, Amber.
I would totally watch that. We are

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definitely heading to the Alternate Universe video
store to watch that one, and that's

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the only place you can get it
because uh again, allegedly Barry Gordon,

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you know Motown Heavyweight, refused to
let her do the do the movie.

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You gotta wonder what the what the
story is there, because that could have

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been a great one, man,
it really could have. You know,

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I don't know though, uh So
Dayton, you're not really digging, uh

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Christofferson in this said, there just
feels like there's no he doesn't give me

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anything to like about him. And
that's you know, like I said,

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I think that's part of if you
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you know, poor character development.
But there his delivery on everything is either

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he's angry or he's bored, and
and there's no emotion unless he's angry,

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you know what I mean. And
so he's not giving me anything. He's

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very he's boring. Speaking of angry, I gotta I gotta quickly. I

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gotta say I loved the cameo that
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because yes, I appreciate that,
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he he goes off on his own
after After the concert, he finds

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this little club where Streisand's performing.
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watch her, and he's, you
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He's he's really in fat. You
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And then Freddy Krueger sits down.
I was like, what, I

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know, right what Robert Robert England
playing an unknown Robert England sits down,

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tries to, you know, act
starstruck, and then starts it gets tough

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with him because he's not getting attention
he wants, and uh, Christofferson punches

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him out. I know, it's
great, it is. I was like,

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I can't believe this. Uh.
It turns out he actually broke England's

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nose in that in that shot,
and uh yeah. So Robert England tells

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a story that apparently Christofferson thought he
was a stuntman and that's why he got

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the got the gig. So he's
like, well, I'm gonna really,

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you know, belt this guy because
they can take it. He breaks his

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nose and then when he finds out
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an actor, he invites him to
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and no no hard feelings. So
you know, how's that for a happy

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ending? If you're Robert England.
I gotta mention in the movie Esther's singing

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group, the name of singing group
the Oreo boy, yeah, and the

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and the two backup singers don't even
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the Oreos, Like, yeah,
I can't, we can't give them a

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name. Come on, come on, mAbs. Yeah, that was funny.

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It was really funny. Though I
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It was great. That's all add
the whole movie. Oh boy. Yeah.

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the role. Obviously she wants she
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it. Yeah, and then uh, Colonel Tom Parker, his manager,

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takes offense because she didn't reach out
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uh, he asks for like a
stupid amount of money. He wants uh,

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he wants top billing for Elvis,
and Elvis hadn't done a movie since

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what sixty eight sixty nine after the
Say or he's like the sixty eight Comeback

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Special. He does one movie after
that, and then he's been off the

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screen, so you know, they're
like, sorry, Elvis, you know

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we're passing. Uh. Next up, we got her school, her school

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chum she went to high school with. Apparently she went to high school with

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Neil Diamond, and they reach out
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He's like, yeah, I could, this would be great, but

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he's touring, he's got commitments,
so he has to pass. I don't

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know about acting wise, but I
would have loved to have hear heard him

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sing those songs. Oh gosh,
yeah, Neil and Barbara Streisen doing these,

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like the Evergreen Song and some of
these other ones that would have been

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great. Uh. And then you
got you got Kenny Loggins, who also

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is interested, but you know he's
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he has to pass. And I
can't imagine what what Kenny Loggins the actor

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would have been like, but I
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is what Kenny Loggins could have been. They've got that look, you know,

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I don't know, yeah, are
you? Are you? It's all

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like Christofferson left a high bar to
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in this movie. And and that
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enjoying time on the set and he
just wasn't putting it in there, you

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know what I mean. Okay,
I get it. I know, I

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know. When this came out,
a lot of people were asking him if

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he had modeled his role on Jim
Morrison, to which he was like,

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look, we we we both have
beards and we both had our shirts off,

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Like what else? What else is
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thanks for the compliment, but no, another another surprise for me. Immediately,

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I sit right up. I'm like, okay, this could be good.

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Gary Bucy, my god, shoving
cocaine Christmas? Oh god, the

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opening of this movie. You know, I'm like, is that is that

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Beaucy? And then he turns around
like, oh my god, it's Bucy

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wearing a Willie Nelson T shirt.
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you quickly see, Okay, he's
obviously the tour manager. He's not

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happy. But then as soon as
Chris shows up, you know, here,

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take a take a swig of a
bourbon. Here you a bump,

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let's get you ready. I was
so excited to see Gary Busey. I

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love Gary Busey, so that that
made it for me right there. Yeah,

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it was fun. He was a
he was a pretty lousy tour manager

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though he really was. Yeah,
he could not control that guy no matter

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what. No, you know,
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for. With Gary Busey, I
think Amber your thoughts on Bobby Richie or

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Richie Bobby. I know it's either
it's Bobby Richie, Richie Bobby not getting

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anytime Gary Busey shows up, it's
a party. But I did feel like

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this was something that this movie lacked
that the Garland and Lady Gaga versions had,

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which was he had somebody in those
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know, it was like either a
agent or his brother, you know,

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that was trying to keep him sober
and trying to help him out and had

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been doing this for years. So
then when Esther shows up, she has

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an ally, She has someone to
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you know, say this is a
mess and I need help and I

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don't know what to do, and
he's going, yeah, tell me about

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I've been doing this for twenty years, you know. But I feel like

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streisand was doing it all by herself, and so you can't really like emote

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in a vacuum. You need somebody, you know, to kind of be

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in it with you, and she
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her, you know, I'll tell
you. So here's one thing, like

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Dayton, I think you kind of
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hard to like anybody in this movie. Really, I was really behind Barbara

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streisand from the beginning until they get
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her character, like the strength of
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I got upset with her when she
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and she finds him in bed with
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and I'm like, okay, she
she's pissed, you know, she's letting

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him have it. And then five
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she's they're kissing and they're they're going
but they're going to bed, and I

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thought, what the hell? You
know, how is he is he just

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that charming amber? No? No, no, it's not. He even

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showered or nothing like that was disgusting. She turned sloppy seconds. Is that

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what it is? Yeah? I
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you know I got I gotta think
you guys are in agreement with me on

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that one. Well, what's funny
is she doesn't even need him at that

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point, she was already starting to
get famous, so she really doesn't even

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need him. So why I just
I don't know why? I mean,

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you, like a Katie. This
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in the Garland version where she comes
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this house husband who like no one
will hire him, he has nothing to

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do, and he's left taking her
messages and signing for packages at the door

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and stuff. And she comes home
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how was your day? And she
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worked for like twelve hours, yeah, filming like a musical number in this

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movie that she's making. She comes
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him, just to like buck him
up and make him happy and make him

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smile, and you really get the
sense of like how much she loves him

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and how much she just wants to
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him have a happy life and be
satisfied with who he is. And you

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don't ever really get that with these
with these two, so is the tragedy

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that she she loves this guy,
and it's like the you know I can

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change him, I can save him, you know cliche that you know you

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know she can't, and you know
she's just gonna she's gonna be along for

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the ride for his downfall. Yeah, because he can't even save himself.

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I mean he wants to, but
but does he does he I've never got

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the impression he really watch the James
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so I'm assuming that he was likable
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so charming and well you want the
newer one with his bad off. As

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Bradley Cooper's care was, we still
liked him, you know, I still

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wanted I wanted him to have a
turnaround. I wanted him to get himself

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together. So when he you know, at the end of that one,

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it's it's terrible. Then to this
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car got destroyed. That's what my
reaction was, and that was that he

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died. It was more about the
car, so not the car. I

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mean, I'm not gonna lie.
He should have died like halfway through the

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movie, and we should have got
more of her career. That would have

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been more and more satisfying than the
two hours and twenty minutes it took for

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him to die. That's harsh.
Well, like this, I'm just saying

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in the chud Garland and the Bradley
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the end, like she comes out
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Yes, because the whole point in
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her surviving is to honor him and
what he was for her and how if

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it weren't for him, she would
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because she had been trying and had
been unsuccessful. So he gave her

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that boost, and so she honors
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And in this one, it's like, you know, a woman's lib moment

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of like I'm gonna go and do
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I'm sad that you that you're not
here. Let's dating. You mentioned you

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mentioned the car, the car crash, So yeah, I have a question

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about this. Okay, well what's
your question. Okay, I'm not a

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car person, like even a little
bit. I didn't know that it was

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afar, Like this is a red
car, I don't know. Yeah,

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hundred and sixty miles an hour?
Yeah, like really one hundred and sixty

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one six zero. I don't know
that seems as Sessa, you mean that,

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you mean that he would have the
car go that fat? Like could

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you take out in the desert and
like Flora and yeah, really you absolutely

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could. And that brings me me, that brings me to the point.

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So as Amber knows Dayton, you
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the male character in all these films, and suicide sadly is the tragic end,

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except for this version because John Peters, who was Barbara Straansan's hairdresser,

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slash producer, slash, you know, partner, boyfriend extraordinaire, he didn't

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want that, so they shoot it. He wanted like a you know,

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he wanted that. He wanted one
of those endings where it's like did he

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did he do it on purpose?
Or was it just a tragic car wreck?

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And they do to They do two
different endings. One shows that he,

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you know, intentionally ran the car
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and then the other version it is
what we get in this movie. And

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they played a few of them to
test them, you know, barbar streis

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It says, hey, let's put
both innings out there and see which test

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better in the studio steps and says, no, we're doing this one.

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You know, So I don't know, Daton, what do you what do

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you think? Because like, does
it work with the you know, the

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the tragic car crash. You know, it's where he's maybe a little less

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tragic and the situation's more tragic.
I think it still works. I think

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it's kind of a cop out the
studio wise, but the fact is he

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was killing himself through all the drinking
and drugs and everything. Anyway, So

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getting into your car when you're tanked
up and going that fast, you're gonna

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crash. The only upside was he
didn't take anybody with him, you know

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what I mean that. But so
you know that, I don't think it.

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I don't think it hurts it.
You know, it's still tragic that

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he had to go that that way. I mean as tragic as to be

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for a character I didn't care for, you know, But I don't think

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it doesn't impact it either way,
as far as I'm concerned. It's twenty

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seven degrees outside and inside here right
now it is so much colder. You

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are cold hearted, my friend.
Yes, I am. Well everybody,

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when you don't make me like a
character at the end of the movie,

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I'm like, Okay, he ruined
the car. He really, he's really

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that unlikable to it for you,
because I kind of I'm kind of digging

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00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.279
him for some of it, half
of it. You know, when he

407
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.680
gets on the motorcycle and drives off
the stage, or when he stops a

408
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.799
song like before the first chorus and
starts to whine, and I like,

409
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:38.960
dude, you just you were late? You know? He just Okay,

410
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.279
this is why I don't like him. He reminds me too much of Axel

411
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.559
Rose. That's exactly why I don't
like him, showing up late, being

412
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.160
an ass the whole time, treating
his fans like they don't matter. It's

413
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.640
you know what, I don't bide
that. If you're that upset, quit

414
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.519
Why did you know I was more
pissed about Bradley Cooper shoving the cake and

415
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.319
Lady got his face. I was
like, yeah, I would have locked

416
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:07.240
right out and never looked back.
Dayton, you have just ruined his character

417
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:13.960
because now I see the Axle Rose
behavior in it, and now now I'm

418
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.680
having a hard time liking him.
Thanks a lot, buddy. You're welcome,

419
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:22.960
You're welcome. Oh boy, Okay, can we talk about car crash?

420
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.960
Would have made more sense if he
had because he was on his way

421
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:30.160
to flaming out. Yeah, but
then he pulled it back together, and

422
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:34.160
he kind of sobered up there for
a little while. And I think if

423
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:38.759
he had just kind of continued to
ramp it up and continue that trajectory,

424
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:45.240
the car crash would have made more
sense. Okay, interesting, I want

425
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.160
to talk about what I think.
I'm not saying this is the best scene

426
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.279
in the movie, because it's not, but it's one of the most impressive

427
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:57.480
scenes in the movie I think.
And I'm talking about the concert shot at

428
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:02.480
sun Devil Stadium. Every time you
see a movie where it's about a singer

429
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.119
or a band, you know,
Hollywood does all these tricks to make you

430
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.279
think it's like a big sold out
venue. And in this case, there

431
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:16.160
are literally forty seven thousand people packed
in there in that stadium to watch to

432
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:21.279
watch this show. And that blows
my mind, you know that, the

433
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:23.000
fact that they got forty seven thousand
people to show up, you know extras.

434
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.559
You know. Now, I granted, it's a lot easier to get

435
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.000
that many people to show up.
When you say, hey, free concert

436
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:37.880
featuring Barbara Streisan, Chris Christofferson,
Peter Frampton, Santana and others. Dayton,

437
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.400
could you imagine being at that show? Well, according now I don't

438
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:44.519
know if this is accurate. He's
but according to this the ticket was three

439
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:49.480
fifty oh exactly, but even still
at forty seven thousand people at sun Devil

440
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.119
Stadium, that's you know, I
mean Peter Frampton by that point, I

441
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.759
mean, he was a pretty big
rock star. Yes, Santana's So this

442
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.359
was this before or after Frampton comes
Alive. I want to say this is

443
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.640
probably just before, just before,
I think, so he's probably on the

444
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:09.440
brink of breaking out everywhere Santana.
That was huge already. Yeah. Yeah,

445
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:14.119
that's a great shot. You're right, it's a great shot. Yeah.

446
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.440
Well, and think about this.
Maybe maybe there's some genius to John

447
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:22.559
Peters producing this movie, because if
you're charging forty seven thousand people three dollars

448
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:27.119
and fifty cents to get in,
think about your production. You know,

449
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.679
I think this movie only costs six
million dollars to make, and he probably

450
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.000
pocketed a whole bunch of that,
you know, just with this concert,

451
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.679
right, Frampton comes Alive came about
the same year this did. Okay,

452
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:42.760
so he's a name at this point. Then we know, yeah, wow,

453
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:49.360
let's take a quick break and when
we get back we'll talk about underrated

454
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:54.199
moments and words that matter. Sunday
Go jacks outon nail an untrustworthy cop.

455
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.159
The first time I've been afraid to
run up the stairs with a patna behind

456
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.440
me. I lost one of my
best cups. Then don't Becky tries to

457
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.599
stop a friend from revenge murder who
was as supposed to, but I put

458
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:09.000
him on it to prevent it.
It ass Then two tough cups. Tomorrow

459
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:17.840
night on ZBS, we are back. I'm talking with Dayton Johnson and Amber

460
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:23.159
Lewis of the Docking Bab seventy seven
podcasts. Before we talk about an underrated

461
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:29.159
moment, let's talk about Docu Based
seventy seven. Give us a for those

462
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:31.719
listeners that are listening to a film
by podcast for the very first time.

463
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.719
What is docu Base seventy seven all
about? Ultimately, what it comes down

464
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:44.480
to is it's a group of friends
that get together and talk about fun stuff.

465
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.679
We talk about movies, music,
books, comics, even did episode

466
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.639
of video games and I'm blessed and
Amber is definitely part of that. To

467
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:59.320
have people that are well versed in
many things, they make the podcast better

468
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:00.960
because they know that I don't and
they bring something to, you know,

469
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:06.400
information that I didn't have, and
we love to have a go at one

470
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.360
another, which makes it fun.
And it's all in good fun of course,

471
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:13.960
but yeah, we you know,
it's I don't want to call it

472
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.079
like an entertainment or a pop culture
podcast because I think there's a little bit

473
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:22.800
more to that. But and honestly
it all I got the podcast bug because

474
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.000
of you have Me on the eighty
six series, and then I got to

475
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.440
host the Manhunter episode, so I
was like, Okay, I'm gonna do

476
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.719
this. I'm gonna go ahead and
and jump off and do this. So

477
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:34.920
but yeah, we we have a
good time doing it. And you know,

478
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.960
we have a couple of hashtags starting. We have hashtag team Amber,

479
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:45.880
you know, because apparently she's the
she's the voice of reason. See that.

480
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:50.800
I see that. I see people
commenting on your social media, like

481
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.920
weighing in on their thoughts on certain
episodes, and there's always, I gotta

482
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:59.559
be honest, a lot of times
there's a lot of support behind Amber's thoughts

483
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:04.079
or opinions, and I always see
that hashtag team member. Uh So,

484
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.440
I don't know, there's there might
be something to that. Yeah, maybe

485
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.639
Amber, Amber, you were you
were there at the very at the at

486
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:13.199
the beginning right of Docking Bay,
Like, weren't you on the very first

487
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.400
episode, the West Side Story episode? Am I thinking? I remember that

488
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:22.519
right? Okay? Me and my
buddy Robert, Yeah, and the remake

489
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:28.880
steven Sake. Yeah, yeah,
and that's you know, the the rivalry.

490
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:30.920
I think UH was born in that
episode if I remember right, So,

491
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:37.519
yeah, it was the rivalry was
just broadcast on that episode. That's

492
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:40.280
been going, okay, okay,
absolutely love what you guys do over there.

493
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:44.400
Always looking forward to UH to new
episodes. They always drop on Wednesdays,

494
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.800
correct dayton yep, that's correct.
All right, awesome, Well,

495
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.159
let's talk about an underrated moment,
guys. Amber. It's not about the

496
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.719
favorite scene. It's not the scene
that's in the trailer, but without it,

497
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.880
the film is just a little bit
less. Is there a scene in

498
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:06.079
A Star is Born that comes to
mind for you? I think for me

499
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:15.360
the scene that shows their chemistry and
you only get too because the rest of

500
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.800
the time they're kind of mismatched.
But the scene at the piano when they

501
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:29.039
write the song is so just He's
very honest, like his voice isn't perfect,

502
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.000
and she like forgets where she was
in the song and has to start

503
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:39.639
over and on the piano. But
it shows, you know, that spark

504
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:46.559
of creativity that you know, truly
talented people have where you think, you

505
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:51.880
know, has one just sit down
and the stuff comes out, but somehow

506
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.440
it does. Yeah, is it
fair to say that she falls in love

507
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.480
with him in that moment? In
that scene? Just the fact that he's

508
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:04.000
just creating lyrics out of thin air
to the music that she's playing. The

509
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.239
look on Streisan's face is just like
it's almost like real, like she's in

510
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.679
awe of what she's seeing. I
love that moment. That's a great one

511
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:20.639
dayton an underrated moment. Mine focuses
on Christofferson's character, and this is when

512
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.719
you return to the studio and he
has some new music that he's really proud

513
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:25.599
of. You know. This is
when he's kind of got cleaned up and

514
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:30.039
he's trying to, you know,
find that spark again. And he shows

515
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.280
up and he finds out that his
band has changed their name and they're working

516
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:37.920
on some other projects. And instead
of being a grown up and being happy

517
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.639
for his band and you know,
cool, let's embrace this and let's work

518
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.840
together. He lies this to her
manager Bobby and said, oh, well,

519
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:47.400
yeah, I got some people I'm
going to work with and you know

520
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:52.559
and everything else. And then of
course it he gets upset and it kind

521
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:58.119
of sends him back into his bad
habits. So you know, it's kind

522
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.840
of like it's that scene that it
could have been really impactful in the way

523
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.360
that you know, he comes in
cool that here's the band lists work together,

524
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.880
or it could have gone the other
way, which it is the way

525
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:09.320
it went. So in my mind, it was kind of a turning point

526
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.639
scene. And it's not very long, and it's not you know, you're

527
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.719
definitely not gonna see a clip of
it in the trailer, but uh,

528
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.719
it's it's an important scene. It's
very important. Actually, Dayton, I

529
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.239
will agree with you. That's that's
the scene that comes to mind for me.

530
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.760
Now I have a slightly different take
on it, you know, and

531
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.559
there's no you know, not that
there's you know, no wrong take.

532
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:35.239
But for me, when I watch
that moment, my heart breaks for his

533
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.760
character in that moment because he has
struggled with her, you know, her

534
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:45.559
sudden you know the explosion of her
fame and popularity, and he is kind

535
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.239
of fading out. People are forgetting
him, and he does it. He

536
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.199
tries to tries to clean himself up. He's working on new material, you

537
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:53.880
know, and he's like, all
right, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna

538
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:57.239
go talk to the manager. I'm
gonna go. We're gonna get this happening.

539
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:01.480
And then lo and behold, Speedway
is now freeway. They've got new

540
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:05.920
material. They are ready to hit
the road. And the you know,

541
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:07.960
his former managers like, hey,
we thought you we retired. You're living

542
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.280
the good life out in Mexico or
New Mexico with on a ranch like we

543
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.559
life goes on. So how you
been And he's like he's wounded, you

544
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.199
know, and yeah, you know
you're not gonna have your hat in your

545
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.760
hand at that point. Like,
I, you know, I not that

546
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.440
I would do everything that Christofferson does
in this movie, but I feel like

547
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:30.559
in that situation, I probably,
I probably I would lie like he did

548
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:32.360
and be like whoa, you know, I've got a new material and I

549
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.480
got some guys, and I you
know, I'm excited and we're going to

550
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.480
take it in a different direction.
He was trying to say face and knowing

551
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:43.039
that he's trying to say, face
is heartbreaking because you can tell that his

552
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.360
his form manager is not buying it, and he's okay, well good good

553
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:51.440
luck, you know. And yeah, it's a it's a hard scene to

554
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.519
watch, I think, just because
of just how wounded he is in that

555
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:59.480
moment. So yeah, I can
I can see that point of view.

556
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:06.920
All Right, this movie has a
lot to say musically, but I don't

557
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.559
know about words. It matter,
like there's this is not a quotable movie

558
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:15.760
by any means. But uh,
Amber, we're gonna, we're gonna,

559
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:22.039
We're gonna ask you first, any
any any quote, any memorable line from

560
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.280
this movie that you think of when
you think of a stars born wine beer

561
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:37.840
or herbal tea. That's very good. That killed me. She was so

562
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:44.000
stinking funny. But then also,
you know, just almost any song lyric,

563
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.960
like there are some that just hit
so hard. I'm telling you,

564
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.039
if any man ever wrote to me
and said, I'll have the constellations paint

565
00:42:52.079 --> 00:43:00.360
your portrait too, like, well, okay, you're falling for Christopherson,

566
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:07.079
Amber, that's what's happening there with
Oh Dayton, what do you what do

567
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:08.760
you? What do you think of? What quote comes to mind? What

568
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.920
line? All right, So there's
only one that I can remember after watching

569
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.880
this movie, and uh Ambers can
have to help you remember gets when it

570
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:20.159
happens. But it's a when Esther
said, you can trash your life,

571
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.840
but you're not gonna trash mine.
Oh that's it's a great line. It's

572
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.039
the best line of the movie.
You know, it's the one holds because

573
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.960
she's right. You know, she
goes on and has a career and you

574
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:38.000
know he's not. Well. To
Amber's point, there's there's lines. There's

575
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:43.159
there's lines and songs that come to
mind for me. And I'll tell you

576
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:50.079
when he takes the mic the show's
starting and we get that line. Am

577
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:54.199
I a figment of your imagination?
Or are you one of mine? Dude?

578
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:58.239
I want to be in that crowd
when that goes off, because that

579
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.880
that is Dayton. You gotta you
gotta admit. That is a great way

580
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.039
to kick off the you know,
the first song of a concert and it

581
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.880
looks like Speedway puts on the hell
of a show, you know, yeah,

582
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:12.840
you know, for as long as
he can until he quits halfway through

583
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:19.119
that song. Yeah, it's great. Love that moment. Now, this

584
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.519
was a tough question and It's tough
because we're going to talk about one of

585
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:30.519
our favorite holdovers from our nineteen eighty
six series, talking about prequel sequel remake

586
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:37.920
Amber. They've made this movie four
times, so I don't even know where

587
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.239
to start. But let's let's see
what you have to say. I got

588
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:45.320
it. Oh you're okay, all
right. See, I have to cheat

589
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:52.400
a little bit, okay, because
I want Share at the height of her

590
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:58.239
powers. I'm talking like nineteen eighty
eight Share Okay, this is turned by

591
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:04.159
time, share right, share drug
Share Okay, okay, with her acting

592
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:09.840
ability and her performing ability. You
put Share as the washed up has been

593
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:17.079
and bring in some young guy whoa
a little role reversal. Oh I like

594
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:22.519
that. I like this has not
been done. Share could do it.

595
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:29.320
Man, You got me wondering,
like Dayton, Uh you know, I'll

596
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:30.280
put you on the spot. I
don't even know if you can think of

597
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:36.440
this as fast but young you know, young singer, young male singer in

598
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:40.840
the late eighties that could that could
work with work with Share welling. So

599
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:51.400
I was thinking Jordan Fisher. Fisher
now from Okay, So he's like like

600
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:57.800
a Selena Gomez Taylor Swift kind of
era. Okay, okay, Well he's

601
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.400
on He's on Broadway in Hadestown right
now, so he's more like pop.

602
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.480
He was on Dancing with the Stars. So I'm gonna tell you something.

603
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.599
Our good buddy Jason Colvin from the
Shirley Can't Be Serious podcast, he has

604
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:16.000
pulled this cheat several times where he
does a remake or yeah, it's always

605
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:19.559
a remake, but it's a remake
in a specific year from the past.

606
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.239
So I feel like I almost have
to. I feel like I almost have

607
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:28.679
to create like a time travel question
for this. But you know, but

608
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:30.239
I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna
have to bust you because I'll let your

609
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.960
time, I'll let your time,
I'll let your time travel back to eighty

610
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.400
eight because I'm loving what you're going, where you're going with this with Share

611
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:40.159
and and and a young, young
male lead. But you can't, you

612
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:44.519
can't multiverse this thing where we've got
someone from now, someone from eighty eight,

613
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:49.079
So we gotta we gotta have a
someone from share the height of her

614
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:53.639
power and who yeah datan? What
about what about let's let's talk rock stars

615
00:46:54.880 --> 00:47:02.559
late eighties rock stars that maybe we
could have seen opposite Share Uh, I

616
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:07.280
was gonna go with John bon Jovie. I'd rather see whoa Okay, you

617
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:13.360
know what we know we know bon
Jovie can act Dayton. Okay, so

618
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:17.960
yeah, all right, So what
would have been uh what would have been

619
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:25.199
the the third A Star is Born
film taking place in nineteen eighty eight,

620
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:30.639
starring Chare and John bon Jovie.
That that's hard to beat. I don't

621
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.599
I can't touch that. What do
you got Dayton? Prequel? Prequel,

622
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.679
sequel, remake? All right,
well, I actually had two, but

623
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.159
I landed on a prequel. I
want to see a younger version of John

624
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:46.119
Norman Howard and his rise to fame
and then what destroyed him and turned him

625
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:52.559
into such a bitter old has been. And I actually have somebody that I

626
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.800
can think it could pull that off
into modern telling. Uh. He already

627
00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:01.280
played Elvis. But I'm going with
Austin Butler because he can sing and you

628
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:06.000
get him like right around you know, twenty years old or whatever, and

629
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.480
him rise to fame and you know, over the maybe do it over the

630
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:17.199
course of a decade. We are
sharing a brain because my thought was gotta

631
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.159
go prequel. I'm gonna call it
Speedway, and it's all it's what Dayton

632
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:28.079
word for what you just said.
The only difference is you're picking Austin Butler,

633
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.599
who was brilliant as Elvis, and
I know he would crush it as

634
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:36.079
a young Christofferson. I was gonna
go with the Timothy Shallomey, who I

635
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.119
know they're looking at playing He's he's
looking at doing a Bob Bob Dylan biopic

636
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:42.960
here in the next couple of years. So that's you know, whether it's

637
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.320
Austin Butler or Challomey, I'm I'm
in regardless, you know. So,

638
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:52.280
man, I want to see these
movies now, right. The only other

639
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.400
thing I thought was a sequel to
see Esther's career kind of see if she

640
00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:00.360
if she manages to what like how
how the system chane her? You know

641
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.480
what I mean? Because like I
said, we don't really get to see

642
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.320
that enough, you know, and
I think that would be interesting to see

643
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:13.760
if she learns from his mistakes and
see if she can walk that, you

644
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:17.559
know, that fine line between you
know, artist and you know, star

645
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:22.360
or whatever. That's interesting because in
the Judy Garland version and in the Bradley

646
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:30.320
Cooper version, Esther is much more
fragile and like nobody's telling Barber what to

647
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:34.960
do. Those two esthers, like
in the Lady Gaga version, she was

648
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:39.679
like they kind of were changing her
and making her a pop star. At

649
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:43.760
one point, Bradley Cooper's like kind
of like you're selling out, you know,

650
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:49.360
So that would be interesting to see
how she could sort of navigate like

651
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:53.000
being true to who she wants to
be and being successful and keeping the label

652
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:57.679
happy and right. Well and to
that point, you know, we know

653
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.519
Speedway is like a like a having
these rock band They're like they're like,

654
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:06.639
uh, still water, you know, but she is kind of like a

655
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:09.000
disco like her. Her her flavors
more disco. I felt like, like

656
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:13.039
like listening to the music is like, yeah, I'm not I'm not liking

657
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:14.760
that. And they even talk about
that in the movie, like you know,

658
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.440
hey, you can't tour with her
because your sounds are not the same.

659
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.280
And I think that speaks to like
that that time in America when disco

660
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.320
was on the rise. Unfortunately,
you know, rock was starting to die

661
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:32.039
out, disco was was was making
a big, big splash. So yeah,

662
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:35.880
I don't know, I I don't
know if I want to watch the

663
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.320
The Ester movie so much, but
Uh, I'll tell you one thing I

664
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:42.599
do love. I love watching the
end of this movie. You know that

665
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:46.440
that tight shot of her, Yeah, you know, the slow tears streaming

666
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.599
out of her, out of her, out of her eyes as she's singing.

667
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.360
And who else can stand there for
like eight minutes, yeah, and

668
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:59.760
take you from like a ballad to
like a pop tune. Yeah, and

669
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:05.760
like just melt your face like it
was amazing. Yeah. You the the

670
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.840
last eight nine minutes of this movie
are worth the price of emission. If

671
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:14.000
you are unhappy the whole movie,
you know, for two hours, and

672
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:16.800
you know that's why you don't turn
it off after everybring because you got to

673
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.400
wait for this for if you if
you're like if you're gutting out for two

674
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:22.800
hours and twelve minutes and you're like, I'm turning it off. Nope,

675
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:27.760
last eight minutes of this is just
it's electric. She is She's brilliant,

676
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:32.840
She's fantastic in it. So with
that said, let's let's talk ratings here,

677
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:40.400
Dayton. Out of four possible stars, what are you giving this star?

678
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:47.480
Uh? Two two stars? Okay, okay, I mean for that,

679
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:54.119
I mean for her her voice alone
is a star, because it's fantastic,

680
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:58.679
and I like the seventies. I
like the seventies music, I like

681
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:02.920
the idea. There's there wasn't enough
payoff for me. You know, there's

682
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:07.920
some great shots in there. So
I give it two stars. I'm feeling

683
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.480
this. This is one of the
freakiest episodes we've ever done. Because we're

684
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:14.480
we're you and I are so aligned. I'm also going to go two stars.

685
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:22.480
And again it's mainly for Barbara Streisan
and and her incredible talent, the

686
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.199
scene that she does in this,
and hey, I like Christofferson, but

687
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:30.559
I will agree with Dayton. I
can't believe I'm saying this. He's not

688
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:34.840
that likable and doesn't do a whole
lot, but you know, I think

689
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.800
he did enough for me just to
to like him in the film. Amber

690
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:44.440
Dayton goes two stars. I go
two stars out of four possible stars.

691
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:45.920
What are you doing? I don't
think I've ever done this, but I'm

692
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:52.960
gonna say one. And just by
the soundtrack, Wow, WHOA save yourself

693
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:59.239
the trouble And just by the soundtrack, by that rationale, You've you've got

694
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.599
to think this is the week of
the four versions of the film. Oh

695
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:07.960
by far Wow, Okay, by
far. Like, my parents went to

696
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:12.239
see it at the drive in and
they literally only went because of Barbarstarizen,

697
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:17.320
because my dad loved her and Chris. My mom said that Chris Christopherson just

698
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:22.000
ruined the movie for them, And
so I grew up listening to the soundtrack

699
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.079
and stuff, but I never watched
the movie. And then I watched it

700
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:30.119
and I was like, eh,
I say, wow, okay, you

701
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:38.159
can't top the Judy Garland version like
it is. She is amazing, James

702
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:45.440
Mason is amazing. It's just it
just blows you away. All right,

703
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:49.440
Well, listen, we know a
Star is born. The seventy six version

704
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:53.639
is streaming on Prime Amber. Can
you tell us is is the Judy Garland

705
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:58.320
version? Is that streaming anywhere?
Right now? You have to rent it

706
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:04.079
on Prime? Okay, sex version
is free. But the other two,

707
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.880
you know, Bradley Cooper version and
the Judy Garland version like three point fifty

708
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:12.199
right now? Okay, Oh,
I thought I thought the I thought the

709
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.599
Cooper Goga version, I thought that
was on Max. But they might have

710
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:16.519
taken off of this. It might
be, but it was like right there,

711
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:22.360
so I clicked it. Yeah,
they got my money, Yes they

712
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:25.320
did all right, well, guys, I want to thank you. I

713
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:29.079
know how busy you guys are over
on document seventy seven, So for you

714
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:32.960
guys to take time out of your
busy schedule to come over here and entertain

715
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:38.320
our listeners, absolutely appreciate it.
Very thankful for you guys to do that

716
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:43.519
for me, because I truth truthfully, I cannot think of any two people

717
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:46.880
that I wanted to talk about this
movie in particular with on our seventy six

718
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:50.519
series. I think told you guys
like a year ago, like hey there's

719
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:52.760
gonna be a new series. This
is the one that I want you to

720
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:55.159
want you to be a part of, you know, around the holidays.

721
00:54:55.159 --> 00:55:00.159
So so thank you very much,
Dayton. Can you tell us some what

722
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.719
what's what's next for Docubay? What
what are you dropping? December? And

723
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:09.880
we have three new episodes. We
are wrapping up our there Trans Siberian Orchestra

724
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:15.280
Christmas album with the Christmas Addic.
This will be our third Christmas episode we've

725
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:21.840
done on them, and then we
kind of start into six episodes of science

726
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:27.559
fiction movies. We are covering my
what I consider to be the best of

727
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.280
all the Star Wars movies, and
that is Star Wars the Star Wars story

728
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:37.000
Rogue one, and then we're also
we have actually special guest at that time,

729
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.639
John Reid, that you know from
the thirty See Movie podcasts. He

730
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:45.679
will be joining us for that episode. And then we're also covering Galaxy Quest,

731
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.360
one of the best Star Trek movies
that's not a completely a Star Trek

732
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:52.119
movie ever made, and for that
one we have special guests. Russ from

733
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.400
the Infectious Groove music podcast will be
joining us for that one as well.

734
00:55:55.679 --> 00:56:00.840
And then in January, we're doing
four more science fiction movies and have to

735
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:05.039
stop by and see what those are. Pretty uh pretty packed a couple of

736
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:08.639
months there. Uh, amber not
to put you on the spot, because

737
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:14.519
I know you're I know the I
know the producer of of your show is

738
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:16.000
is looking at you right now.
But uh, you're gonna come over to

739
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.320
Film Buying and do some more episodes
for us, Right, You're gonna You're

740
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:23.960
gonna join us more more often.
Absolutely, all right, I'm gonna gonna.

741
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:28.239
I'm gonna, I'm gonna discuss your
contract with this guy off Mike.

742
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.480
Hey, she's getting ready to host
her own episodes too, So yeah,

743
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:35.079
well either either I'm gonna get her
either. I'm gonna get her. She's

744
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.239
gonna get a raise from that docum
bait. We'll we'll find out what happens

745
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:43.159
with Amber. But uh, listeners, uh, thank you as always for

746
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:46.800
for joining us. Uh check us
out. Next week it'll be Christmas time

747
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:52.800
and uh we're starting off with a
bang. We're gonna do Renny Harlan's The

748
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:57.639
Long Kiss. Good night. Until
then, let us know what you think

749
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.800
about A star is born? Uh? What which? What's your go to

750
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.519
version? Who did it best?
Who did it? Who did it worst?

751
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:06.519
Let us know on social media.
You can also let us know at

752
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:10.960
www dot a film by podcast.
Until next time, thanks for lending your

753
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:27.079
ears. We'll catch you on the
flip side. I forgot it an argument.

754
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:30.920
I was gonna start between which is
the better song, Shallow or Evergreen?

755
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:36.880
Oh that we can have that fight. It's it's shallow. It is

756
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:42.400
nuts. It is shallow? Are
you kidding me? I don't care that

757
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.599
much to fight about it. So
you don't have an opinion on this?

758
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:50.400
Do you want me to have one? Very few of these songs are worth

759
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.800
arguing about. So music guy,
you're a music guy. Ever I am,

760
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:57.239
You're right, And I couldn't enjoy
any of the songs that Christofferson saying,

761
00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.800
because he didn't finish any of them. But he didn't sing ever.

762
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.519
Well, I know that that's a
Barbara song. He came like one word.

763
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:06.960
Well, you know who enjoyed them, the Academy, because like both

764
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.599
songs won an Academy Award for Best
Songs. Yeah, and they're fine,

765
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:14.320
And to me, I don't honestly, I couldn't even tell you which one

766
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:17.960
was swallow or shallow. Sorry Jesus. And on that note, that's a

767
00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:21.000
whole other movie. That's a whole
other movie.