1976 - Carrie

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Go home, take care of yourself, Cassie. We're all very sorry about

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this incident. Carrie, would you
like to go to the infra ary lie

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down for a while. I think
carry can go home. We're all sorry

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about this incident, Cassie. Hello
everybody, and welcome back to nineteen seventy

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six. It's a limited series from
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a look at some of the iconic
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words that matter, our favorite quotes. That is the last time we discussed

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a horror movie starring William Kat was
on our limited series nineteen eighty six,

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when David Burns and Docking Based seventy
seven's Dayton Johnson joined me for the Horror

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Comedy House. David is with me
once again. Hello David, Hello,

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how are real? I'm doing good? And this time representing the Docking Based

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seventy seven podcast is Amber Lewis.
Hello, Amber, Hello, nice to

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be back. Amber. It is
nice to have you back. Our listeners

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obviously will remember that Amber was with
us for the mel Brooks episode when we

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covered high anxiety, one of our
fastest downloaded episodes ever. Amber. I

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don't know if we had a chance
to talk about that, but it is

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one of the most popular ones we've
ever done, so all because of Amber.

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It's exactly what it is. Good
job. Yeah, I mean hashtag

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team Amber. But has to do
it? Sure, so isn't me?

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You know, it's it's if it
mel Brooks. It's definitely Amber Lewis.

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But listen, Amber. You also
we had such a good time you came

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back. You did the Kenneth Branna
episode with me. Not too long ago

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we covered Sleuth, which was a
quite unusual film with Michael Caine. Yeah,

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law, we need to do more
Branna episodes. Did you do any

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of your homework? I've been working
on it. Yeah, we'll have that

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conversation off off Mike, but yes. And then obviously you have been just

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knocking it out of the park on
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guys, we started this month of
October talking about a Brian to Palma film,

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and I love that we're ending the
month talking about a Brian to Palma

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film. So let's head to the
nineteen seventy six prom with Carrie. Meet

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Carrie, and she's the girl no
one likes and everyone makes fun of,

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the girl who lives in that creepy
house with her cruel mother, The girl

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with the strange power. She's about
to turn a high school prom into a

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nightmare. If you have a taste
for terror, you have a date with

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Carrie rated r. So. In
nineteen seventy four, Stephen King writes his

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first novel, by a young girl
with telekinetic powers that gets pushed a little

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too far by her classmates and domineering
mother. You guys, have read the

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book or I have not read the
book? Okay, So yeah, I

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have not, Amber, what about
you being a huge Stephen King fan.

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I have read the book. I
think I've read it twice, but it's

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been forever, like maybe high school
last yeh, I think I think it

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was high school last time I read
it. Definitely. I mean, yeah,

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I think this is his first novel. He knocks it out of the

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park. Well. The story that
I love is that he was struggling with

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it in the beginning and actually threw
it in the garbage. Yeah, and

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his wife Tabitha rescued it from the
garbage and said just finish it because I

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want to know what happens to her. And look what we got because of

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that. I want to point out. I want to point out our friends

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Jason Colvin and d Graves from the
Shirley Keep Me Serious podcast. Earlier this

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month they did their their top five
horror movies of the seventies, and I

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learned that story on that episode,
Amber, where you're right, you know,

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he throws it in the garbage and
Tabitha saves it, you know,

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to uh much to his surprise and
says, hey, yeah, let's let's

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let's see what Let's see what happens
with it. So Brian de Palma has

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a friend who just happens to be
friends with Stephen King, and this person

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puts it in front of the Palma
says, check out, check out this

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new book. Palma loves it.
Contacts his agent says, I got to

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get the rights. Got who owns
it? Nobody owns it, and he

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secures the film rights. He gives
Stephen King twenty five hundred dollars, even

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by nineteen seventy six standards that that
is nothing, you know, yep,

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but I love that Stephen King.
You know, in later years he never

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said, like, boy, they
took me for a ride on that one.

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He said, you know what,
I was twenty six and it was

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a good paycheck and I'm happy that
they did it. It was a learning

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curve for him too. He realized, you know, what he could do

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later on down the road with his
name in his books. Well especially,

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I mean, the book wasn't that
successful, like it didn't really pick up

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until his other books hitt and his
career started rolling. So he probably figured

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this is the best deal I can
make, right, Yeah, this is

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one of those great situations where you
know, because we all know King has

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been very critical of the film adaptations
and you know, something like hard for

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people to get him right, I
think, I think you're absolutely right.

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There. There's some that I think
are are just spot on there, they're

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fantastic, and others I'm like,
it's awful, you know, And I

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share his sentiments. This is a
situation where not only does he love what

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Brian de Palmer does, Palma changes
the ending. You know, this ends

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a little bit different than than the
book, and Stephen King says this is

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better. The movie version is better, you know. I think, uh,

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I think the only other director to
get that compliment is Frank Darabant on

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The Mist when when Darabont changed the
ending to the miss and King was like,

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yeah, this is way better than
what I wrote. You know,

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let's just stick with this. They
don't talk about Bruno. I don't agree

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with that. Stevie can have his
own opinion because he's the genius that started

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at all. But I'm gonna say
no to that one. Yeah. Well,

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we know, we know he famously
is against Kubrick Shining Amber. Where

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you fall on that adaptation as a
Stanley Kubrick movie, I love it.

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As Jack Nicholson. Really, you
can tell he went through the book,

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no matter what Kubrick did with it. Jack Nicholson went through that book and

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his portrayal is exactly what's in the
book. That's fair so, but as

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like an adaptation of the novel,
heck no, but we get you know,

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redemption with Doctor Sleep that. I
think that kind of brought us full

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circle and kind of blended the two
together in a really satisfying way. I

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think that movie's critically underrated, very
oh my god, yeah, and so

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completely terrifying. Yeah, oh goshya. Speaking of terrifying, there is a

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specific nod to one of Horror's greatest
classics in this movie. I'm talking about

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the music. So before his death, Bernard Hermann, he's on board to

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compose the score for Carrie. Unfortunately
he passes away, but the palma is

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set. He wont that four note
violin that is so you know, painfully

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obvious from Psycho. He's like,
I gotta have it. He uses it

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anyways, which I thought was you
know, I thought that was kind of

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cool, you know. Yeah,
and he uses it quite a bit in

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the film too. Oh yeah,
well, I mean anytime she uses her

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power, that's that's the noise,
right, That's what we gave. Did

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you guys pick up on the fact
these kids are going to Baits High School?

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Of course they did. Yeah,
you didn't see that? Okay,

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I thought, Okay, I got
I got to wow someone at least.

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Yeah. Again, it's another nod. I don't I don't believe that's amber.

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I don't remember that being in the
book. And again we read it

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in high school. But I think
that's right. I did do a little

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research, so my knowledge of the
book is coming from that, I will

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admit, because I don't remember reading
it. You know, it was so

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long ago, but it was not
named Baits High School in the in the

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book, So that was a good
little I love it when they throw in

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little things like that, Little nods
like that to other classics, I think

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are brilliant. I love it.
I love it when we do that.

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A couple other little little fun facts, a little little behind the scenes that

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I thought was kind of that that
I enjoy when I when we cover these

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kinds of movies. It was a
twenty ten interview with the av Club PJ

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Souls, who plays Norma. She's
one of the mean girls. Uh that

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kind of you know, we'll we'll
get we'll get into her character in a

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minute. But according to PJ.
Souls, she claims that Di Palma invited

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Steven Spielberg to the set because there
were quote a lot of pretty girls,

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and she she goes on to,
yeah, yeah, you can't deny that.

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That's that's that's true. A lot
of beautiful actresses are in this movie.

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She goes on to say that Spielberg
is like hitting on the girls.

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She herself turned him down, but
Amy Irving did not. And as we

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all know, they were married from
like nineteen eighty five to nineteen eighty nine.

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So yep, ye, Spielberg's cruising
for chicks. Yeah, another another

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cool You know, we talked about
Spilberg. Let's talk about George Lucas for

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a second. So it's it's well
known that Briana Palm and George Lucas are

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simultaneously holding auditions for Carrie and Star
Wars. William Kat and Amy Amy Irving

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had read for Luke Skywalker and Princess
Leah. Obviously we know how that turned

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out for him, but they had
better luck on the audition process for Carrie

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and fun fact, they were actually
a real life couple, like they were

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dating, you know, or they
had dated before. So like the chem

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you know, the chemistry in the
movie I feel is kind of genuine.

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I think that worked out for all
of us. Of the casting of those

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two movies. I just can't not
see William Kat's hair and there's blonde curls

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as Luke Skywalker. I just don't
even know. It doesn't work in this

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movie. All I could see is
him on stage with led Zeppelin when his

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Robert plants double because like he has
nailed the look. Yes, I want

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I don't want to hog all the
glory Here, Amber Dave, who's got

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something for me? I have a
little tidbit for you. The great Bill

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Paxton was a production assistant on this
Yes, really, there's a great uh

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making of it was like the twentieth
anniversary of Carrie and they did a making

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of documentary. It's on YouTube.
Sissy SpaceX husband was the production designer.

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Yeah, and Bill Paxton was his
assistant, and he talks about like what

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a great work ethic he had,
and he scouted the location for Farmer John's

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where they they go for the pigs, and just what a joy he was

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to work with as this assistant on
this movie. I cannot believe that Bill

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Paxton is working behind the scenes on
Carrie. That's that blows my mind,

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but like it kind of fits his
personality. I feel like, well yeah,

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but still, that's like when you
find out Harrison Ford was a carpenter,

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You're like, yeah, it's it. Yeah, yeah, I mean

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I could yeah, Bill pack,
I could totally see him as the workingman

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getting things done behind this, behind
this, But I had no idea.

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Yeah, I didn't know that at
all. Well, let's uh, let's

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continue the mind blowing conversation. Let's
talk about the casting, starting with the

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role of Carrie herself. So Melanie
Griffith, Linda Blair, and Farah Fawcett

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all auditioned to this role. Yeah. Now, Blair turns it down for

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fear of being type cast because as
we all know, she was in The

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Exorcist. Fawcett has a scheduling conflict
with Charlie's angels. Thank goodness, yes,

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yeah, could you okay? World
is she bullied? Yeah? Well

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in what universe? Is she the
outcast? Exactly? Not happening. I'll

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give Sissy space at credit because they
they definitely pull off this Adrian thing with

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her in the for the most of
the movie where she does look plain,

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she looks homely when she thought that
she was a teenager when she made this

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movie. I died when I found
out she was like twenty six. Yeah,

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she was late twenties. Yeah,
twenty six, twenty seven years old.

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She's married, and let's I gotta
I gotta be honest, like when

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she heads to prom, she's stunning. She is just a beautiful, beautiful

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girl. I don't know, like
back to Farah Faucet, Like, I

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don't know how. I don't know
what they could have possibly done to make

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her look so plain as to be
bullied by the by the mean girls in

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class. There's just there's just no
way. So nope, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, so Sissy had that that
innocent look to her that was required

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for this role. You know,
someone who's gonna get picked on, and

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there's no way fair of face would
have pulled that off. Yeah, so

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Sissy. She turns down a ten
thousand dollars commercial just to audition for Di

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Palma, and she calls him up. She tells him about the commercial and

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says, you know, what do
you think I should do? And lo

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blow He just says, I think
you should take the commercial. He has

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no interest in seeing her in this
role. Yeah, according to her husband,

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though, she stays up the night
before, reads the book cover to

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cover. She runs vasoline through her
hair to give it like a matted,

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stringy look, and then she puts
on this this this ugly sailor dress that

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her mom had made from her youth, and she goes into audition for it

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and knocks it out of the park. The Palma loves it. I love

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it when people get into the roles
before they actually get the roles, because

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you know, that just adds that
additional element for the director to be like,

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Okay, yeah, you're gonna go
that much well out of your way

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to get that role. I'm probably
gonna want you for this. So she

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did something similar when they did the
ending stuff, when she had all that

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fake blood on her, Yeah,
she went like she went in dazed with

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that. Both clothes didn't wash them
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You know, I thought that was
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of filming and she stayed in those
bloody clothes like that. This is a

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you know, you always hear about
method acting, and you always hear about

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people getting really weird on set just
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It's always it's always some actor,
though I've never heard about an actress doing

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this, have you guys? Am? I am I wrong? Like,

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is there any kind of famous story
Zamber where like an actress went went total

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totally method and got weird on set. My mind's a blank because it's all

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full of like Daniel d Lewis and
all the crazy stuff. Yeah, but

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I will say I was very surprised
that it was Sissy Spacek that would go

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in that direction. She seems a
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would do like all the research and
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but not necessarily like in her behavior
change that much. So I was surprised

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that that was the direction that her
artistry took. Yeah, she so As

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a story he goes she She gives
the cast of heads up. She says,

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Hey, We're gonna have so much
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a really nice person and I'm I'm
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all. But not while we're shooting. She keeps to herself. She hides

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away on set, doesn't interact with
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filming the prompt scene and she's covered
in the pig's blood, she stayed like

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that. She didn't she didn't shower
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three days. I'm sure continuity editor
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easier and even at the end,
you know, we've got the the the

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credit stinger, you know, when
Amy Irving's dropping the flowers down and the

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hand comes up and grabs grabs her
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jump that is Sissy's Space six hand. They didn't she didn't even want a

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stunt double to like, you know, she said, I'll do it,

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and Brianda palms like, we're not. It's you know, we're not gonna

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bury you in dirt like someone else
can do it. She's like, no,

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I have to do it. That's
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Wow, that's pretty impressive. Absolutely
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she's nominated for Best Actress. You
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I don't know, I don't know
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we talked about Network, which maybe
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doun Away wins Best Actress for Network
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is, she's amazing in it,
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that she beats out Sissy's Basic.
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I'm with you on that Sissy Space
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dive this deep as she did,
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ending sequence she deserved the Oscar well, and to just play so incredibly vulnerable,

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right, I think it's really really
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whole opening sequence and you know,
very voyeuristic in that locker room when the

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camera is like slowly going through,
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off what she pulls off in the
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itself. Typically you don't want to
ask an actress or anybody really, you

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know, to go completely nude in
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because everybody's going to see it and
it's never going to go away. It's

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gonna be in cinema forever, and
people can go back and revisit that scene

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over and over and over. In
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and what she does in the shower
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the hand movements and the camera body
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That alone takes a lot for an
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So that was just right there in
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was bringing to that film. I
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scene up, and you know,
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when we did Body Double at the
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thing for a voyeuristic shower scenes.
They're in several of his movies. Yes,

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I think this one might be the
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now. I mean from the standpoint
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that's just inappropriate on a lot of
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to Hill like is so cringe.
I remember watching that for the first time

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and like, I texted my mom
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movie is something else. She was
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a You make a great point there, but I don't know, maybe maybe

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they're teenagers and it's so just yeah, yeah, when I'm thirteen watching this,

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I was probably you know, I
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but a different story. Sure now
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I'm like this, do we have
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don't know? Well, and I
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Yeah, it's such a man thing, because no locker room I was ever

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in was ever like that, Like
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on with your life. You're not
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with towels. Like that's not a
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isn't going on in the girl's locker
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like it's spring break, Like I
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at all. Well, however,
the bullying scene, like, yeah,

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as horrific as it is, like, I think it's shot in such a

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way that you can really easily see
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so quickly and how Sue got sucked
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is, right, Yeah, I
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scene, and it's it's hard to
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one of the harder scenes to watch
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heart is breaking for this poor little
girl who doesn't know what's going on with

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her. You know, she's freaking
out, and you know, I don't

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know just just how mean these girls
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it's rough to watch, there's no
doubt about that. And watching it again

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and I haven't seen it in a
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oh, man, I forget how
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this movie. Yeah. Yeah,
Well, speaking of bullying, let's talk

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about another amazing actress. Let's talk
about Piper Laurie, who had retired from

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acting. Last time we had seen
her was nineteen sixty one's The Hustler,

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which she is brilliant in opposite Paul
Newman. She doesn't understand the role,

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though, and it's it's her husband
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comedic, yeah thing that's going on? What? Yeah, I saw them?

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He thought of, did you say
this? Yeah? Like, what

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do you what are you reading to
think that this is any kind of comedic

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tones to it? But I don't
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like a defensive tactic because the mother
is so abusive and so completely unhinged crazy

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from the very beginning, Like she
doesn't grow more crazy as the story goes

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on. You just are peeling off
the layers of crazy and seeing how far

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it goes. So it could just
be that she just couldn't conceive of somebody

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being so abusive and horrible. I
gotta give it to Piper Laurie's performance,

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though, because there is one scene. Watching this one undred hundreds of times

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growing up, I always like,
yeah, she's the religious fanatic. She

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is the crazy nut job that this
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watching it recently, there is a
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And I'm talking about when she's going
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she hits uh, who is it? Priscilla Pointer, who plays Ammy Irvan's

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mom, and the way she gets
kind of shut down. She knows she's

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getting shut down, and she just
says, I see again, and she

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just looks defeated. She looks it's
almost like it's almost like in that moment,

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Priscilla Pointer's character kind of turned her
into a beggar in a way.

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You know, she's like her head's
down, kind of get rid of you.

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Yeah, I felt I felt bad
for in that moment. I mean

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it was fleeting because she has a
psychopath but but but yeah, she she's

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amazing in this performance. Uh,
she's also nominated. She's got the uh

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the supporting actress loses it to Beatrice
Straight, which I feel like that's justified.

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Like if you if you know that
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goes off on her husband over the
affair, I'm like, yeah, that

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that woman deserved that. Oscar So
still would have been a tough call because

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Piper was incredible in this Oh gosh, Yeah, I mean she's she's amazing.

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She has some of the best she
has some of the best, the

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best lines, she's got some of
the best scenes. Yeah. Did anybody

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else feel like they were watching two
different movies though? Explain? Like,

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I feel like there's the movie that's
Carrie at school and the bulleting and the

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telekinesis and all of that, and
then there's this completely other movie about this

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abusive home life that she's suffering from. And even like the way it's shot

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and everything, he doesn't use the
same camera style when she's at home versus

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when she's at school. And I
don't know, I felt. I was

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just thinking about it when I was
watching it earlier today, and I hate

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all the scenes with the mother.
She's just so horrible that I wish they

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could cut all of that out.
And I thought, you know, you

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kind of could be and just make
one whole movie that's just the school.

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That's a hot take you could.
You're saying you could cut, you could

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cut Margaret White out of the movie, and it's it's still uh. I

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mean, I think you get some
good like gossipy exposition about well, you

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know, she's got that crazy religious
mom or whatever, and and then you

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just keep rolling with the high school
story. But how how would you get

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rid of her at the end?
Who Carrie? Carrie? Yeah, if

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you would cut out of her scenes, I mean no, I agree with

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well no, because I did.
I came up with a better well not

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a better ending, but a different
ending. Where wouldn't it be wouldn't it

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have been creepy if she like sets
fire to the school and walks out the

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doors and you know, blows up
the car and then just keeps walking and

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that's the end, like walks into
the sunset kind of thing. Yeah,

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like you don't know what happens to
her, she enacted her revenge and off

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she goes. So interesting that you
say that because for two reasons. First

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off, she doesn't die at home
in the book, she dies she dies

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out in like a field, you
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Yeah. Amy Irving's character Sue,
she catches up with her, lets

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her know like, hey, I
wasn't involved with the prank, and she

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kind of dies out in the middle
of the road or whatever. But to

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Amber's point, there was talk,
like, I want to say, two

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thousand and two, there was talk
about a TV series about Carrie. So,

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Dave you remember USA had done The
Dead Zone with Anthony Michael Hall.

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It's a smashed success, and they're
thinking, hey, we can capture lightning

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in a bottle again, let's do
Carrie. And apparently there was a TV

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movie version of Carrie, and their
whole thing was, hey, she walks

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right out of town the way Amber
suggesting. And the reason it didn't work

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was because the story premise for the
show was going to be Carrie was gonna

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kind of just walk from town,
like she was going to drift from town

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to town, kind of like the
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And meanwhile, David Keith was like
this investigative reporter who was not he was

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I can't reme if he was a
reporter or a detective. But David Keith

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is trying to track her down and
she's just drifting from town to town and

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and in the end they're like,
there's no interest, and yeah, at

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best, this is the fugitive.
At worst it's it's the incredible Hulk.

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So we can't do it. But
but Amber there was there were people out

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there that had that that exact thought. It's not so out of the left

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field. No, it's not.
No, I don't know that I would

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turned her into well, I mean, considering how introverted she is, the

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idea that she's just gonna pick up
random jobs at car washes and diners and

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getting skills. Yeah, you're getting
bullied. Okay, let me use my

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powers and okay, I'll take you
know, I'll wipe out your bully for

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you. Yeah. Well, listen, we talked about our conversation Dave about

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William cat in House. Ye here
he is as Robert Plant, I mean

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Tommy Ross. Initially, the Palma
is looking at John Ritter for the role

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of Tommy Ross, and you know, can't be we can't be too sad

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for Ritter. He does go on
to get another Stephen King project when he

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shows up an it, but yeah, later on down the road, of

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course. Yeah. What'd you guys, amber, What did you think of

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William cat as Tommy Ross? Well, given my age, when I see

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him, all I think of his
greatest American hero. Yeah. Yeah,

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And I hear the theme song in
my same here, but hair Dow's aside,

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and and you know, blue Ruffled
Texas aside. You know, he's

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the you know, the the charming, nice guy, you know. And

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I think it's hard to sell that
just because your girlfriend asked you to you're

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gonna ask the town outcast to prom. But I think he sold it pretty

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well. I like the fact that
he is not the stereotypical jock in a

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high school movie. Yes, he
writes poetry, he's talented, he's good

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natured, he's not picking on anybody. And when his girlfriend's like, yeah,

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do something nice, take take this
girl out, He's like, all

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right, sure, you know that's
what you want, and uh, And

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I kind of feel like when they're
at prom, maybe he's starting to fall

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for carry a little bit. You
know, I think he was. I

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think that was genuine. You could
see it. Yeah, you know,

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why am I here? Why am
I here with you? You know?

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And he's just he's charming, he's
he's got like this Chris reeves Superman quality

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to him, where he's just like, you're here because I asked you,

405
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.079
you're here. He liked my poem. I'm in I'm digging him. I'm

406
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.799
like, this is a genuine nice
guy. And when he when that bucket

407
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:42.000
drops and hits him in the head, knocks him out, I'm like,

408
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:48.279
someone helped, someone helped the prom
king. Let's get him some medical attention,

409
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:53.839
right, one of the scenes that
he died, that's right, I

410
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.119
forgot that's right. We don't know
that when you're watching it. But you're

411
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:00.519
like, no, you don't.
You find that worse? Was it part

412
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.480
two? I think because they that's
when they were like people died and yeah,

413
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.119
yeah, I know he died.
Yeah, the book reminds me.

414
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.160
But yeah, you're like the whole
town. Yeah, yeah, I was

415
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.960
gonna say it's like one of the
Brian Opalma. I love a lot of

416
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.319
his frame shots in this movie,
but one of the frame shots that really

417
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.519
stands out to me was William katt
Uh in the classroom when the teacher was

418
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:27.440
asking her Carrie a question and she
was trying to answer, So instead of

419
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:33.079
Carrie being in the frame, you
get that close up shot of him with

420
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:40.599
her in the background. I loved
that shot. I really did. Dave

421
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:47.279
directors on directors de Palma is famous
for like that's the split screen. He

422
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:49.039
uses it in this, but he
he's also a little more reserved in this

423
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.640
what do you think of his his
his shots and care, so it it

424
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:57.759
added to the tension specific the ending. My understanding is Brian Opalma had done

425
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:00.880
a lot more split stre and that
what we've gotten in this movie. Oh

426
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.400
and he actually went back and re
edited it and got rid of some of

427
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.319
the split screen because he felt it
was just too much. So he used

428
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:14.920
it a little bit more sparingly what
we see in the movie. But I

429
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:20.440
really liked it. A lot of
people don't use it, Brian does,

430
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:22.279
and I thought it worked really well
in this movie. Of all the chaos

431
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:27.160
that was going on, uh in
you know that scene, I thought it

432
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.480
was important to see what was going
on at the same time of you know,

433
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:32.559
staying on Carrie but we're getting some
other shots that going on, or

434
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:36.640
you know, around the dance,
those kind of things. I loved it.

435
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:38.119
I you know, I forgot some
of that. So when I went

436
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:40.359
back to revisit this film, I
said, oh, I forgot how cool

437
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:45.200
this was, you know. So
as a director myself, I digged it.

438
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:50.640
I really did. Okay, let's
talk about Amy Irving. So she's

439
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:55.240
got the part of Carrie mm hmm
until Sissy's basic wants it and auditions for

440
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:59.319
it. That's gonna be a that's
gonna be a rough blow, right like

441
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.720
you Yeah, you're pretty sure you
got the lead, and then you're told,

442
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:06.200
well, you're gonna play a side
character. You're gonna play a smaller

443
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:10.240
character. She's playing opposite her real
life mother that we talked about, Priscilla

444
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:17.039
Pointer, who's playing Missus Snell.
I can't see Priscilla Pointer and not immediately

445
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:22.279
think of Nightmare on the Street,
Three Dream Warriors, Right, I thought

446
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:28.720
the same thing, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, she Well,

447
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.799
she plays like the the mean spirit. Well obviously she means well, but

448
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.279
she's the doctor at the at the
hospital that's trying to get the kids to

449
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.079
go to sleep. She's fighting,
fighting, Nancy and Neil over it.

450
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:47.880
Oh okay, wasn't there a in
the dance scene at the end when all

451
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:53.079
the chast was going on, Like
the daughter like started freaking out in one

452
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.640
of the scenes, and her mom
freaked out too, thinking it was real

453
00:33:55.680 --> 00:34:00.240
because her performance was so good that
she actually call her by her real name

454
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.599
instead of the character's name. But
so much stuff was going on. Yeah,

455
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:10.800
I think it's uhh yeah, yeah. When she wakes up screaming,

456
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.039
yeah, you can actually she calls
her Amy, she doesn't call Sue.

457
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:21.559
Yeah, and they they just left
it in because theyd well the musical musical

458
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.840
drowned out and no one's paying attention
and there's no one so real, you

459
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:28.000
had to have left them, right, I think you have to, right,

460
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:32.199
Yeah, absolutely, But I had
no idea she was Amy Irving's mom.

461
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:37.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
I just it's blown my mind now

462
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:43.159
that we're talking about her in nightmaent
on Street three, and we were talking

463
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:47.360
about Craig Wasson and body Double at
the beginning of the month, who acted

464
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:53.960
opposite her at Nightmare on Street three. Well, well, well I never

465
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:59.320
expected the nightment Um Street three Dream
Warriors bookend for the month of October.

466
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.239
Considering when talking about Freddy Krueger at
all, I did not have that card

467
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.039
either. I don't think any of
us did. How about how about John

468
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:14.320
Travolta slineball. He plays right well, if you're if you're getting the Vinnie

469
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:20.159
Barberino vibe from it, it's because
he auditioned dressed as Barberino because he was

470
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.920
on his lunch break from film and
welcome, Welcome back Carter. He's I

471
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:29.519
don't care what you say, he
is playing straight up well. And Tony

472
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:34.000
Minera too, like I can't stand
Saturday Night Fever because his character is such

473
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.400
a yes, gross pig. Uh, he just early in his career.

474
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:45.440
That's just the kind of guy he
played. Role was well, it wasn't

475
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.800
his first, but it was like
his first big one major film. Yeah,

476
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.880
his first major film. I gotta
be honest, especially in the in

477
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:59.039
the in the scene where they're driving
and uh, he's he's there with Nancy

478
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:07.719
Allen. The acting it's not good
charisma though, like he just kind of

479
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.599
he does pops off the screen.
You gotta admit that. But yeah,

480
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:14.760
and I was surprised when he smacked
her. Well, yeah, can we

481
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.519
what the hell's going on in this
scene because they're smacking the ship out of

482
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:22.320
each other. They're they're arguing.
Then they're all over each other, like

483
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:28.960
this is crazy. Hey, I
mean, she calls him a name.

484
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:30.960
He doesn't like it. She does
it again. He says, Hey,

485
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:35.280
I told you don't. Please don't
call me that like you clar Okay,

486
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.800
Well, she's running the show here, and then he gives her a little

487
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.239
tap and but then she fires right
back at him. I'm like, this

488
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:47.159
is a just just a toxic relationship
that's going on here. I can't make

489
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:52.280
I can't make heads or tails of
it. It's I think it's a villain

490
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:58.480
villains. Yeah. Nancy Allen is
fantastic in this. I mean, it's

491
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.199
weird that she doesn't have as have
a bigger role because she is. I

492
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.800
mean, I know, we look
at Carrie's mom as the antagonist for most

493
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.800
of the movie, but Chris is, like, you know, Chris Harginson,

494
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.760
She's the main mean girl. She's
the one that's starting all the ship

495
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:16.000
at school. So that's that scene
when they were running in place out there

496
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:21.400
on the field and she just got
pissed off and just confronted the coach and

497
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.800
said she wasn't going to do it
anymore. I love that, Like,

498
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.840
oh my gosh, she just stormed
off. Well you're not going to problem

499
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.679
now whatever. Amber, I know
you've got a background in education. Uh

500
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:37.000
when you when when you see a
scene like this when the teacher just hauls

501
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:43.239
off and you know, smacks the
hell She's very like quick to the draw

502
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:47.880
too, because she smacks Jerry when
hysterics. Yeah. And then I love

503
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.320
how dated this movie is because when
they're then she's in the principal's office discussing

504
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:59.559
what to do with Carrie and smoking, Yeah, I need a cigarette.

505
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.199
And then you know, smacking the
hell out of this student, like in

506
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:07.360
front of all the others, like
no consequences. Yeah. Well even after

507
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:12.360
that, after she smacks uh,
after she smacks Nancy Allen, who that

508
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.639
only riles her up more. She's
like, if you don't stop, and

509
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.000
I'm gonna put you on the ground. And she says something to the fact

510
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.480
that I mean this, this this
student's about to get knocked out, and

511
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:22.599
the others are like they're quickly getting
in line, like hey, we're we're

512
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:29.239
good, we're good exercise. We
just want to go to prolem are you

513
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:34.440
living vicariously through through the gym teacher. When you see a zooon like that,

514
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:39.079
you're like, if only you know
well, no, but I never

515
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:44.199
had a student like Nancy Allen's character, like, oh she when she gets

516
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:50.519
smacked, it's so satisfying. I
I'm Betty Buckley's side in that moment.

517
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:52.320
Oh, you have to be you
have to be on Betty Buckley's side.

518
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.719
And then listen, I know we
I'll try and speed up a little bit

519
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.920
here because there's so many great actresses, great actors in this movie. It's

520
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.880
such a good cast. You know, we talked about PJ. Souls a

521
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.880
minute ago with her Steven Spielberg,
she was selling him down the river.

522
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:15.599
But uh, she gets a bigger
role in the movie because of Yeah,

523
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.559
Dave, you tell us no,
I was gonna say, you know,

524
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.360
she had this small role that was
the only go what for two weeks I

525
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.119
think she was going to be on
set. But the scene that they're playing

526
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:29.360
volleyball where she goes up and hits
as Sissy's basic over the head with her

527
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.360
baseball cap. Yeah, you know. Brian Depaula saw it and just like,

528
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.039
oh my gosh, we need her
around longer. So he made sure

529
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.199
she had a bigger role in the
movie because of that. Now there's one

530
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.119
more PJ Soul's tidbit we gotta discuss, and Dave, I know you have

531
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.679
to know it on that Yes,
feed it to us, man, I'm

532
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.960
going to feed it because because of
this movie, she gets the role with

533
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:59.840
Linda I was her glory and Halloween
we do, you know, And it's

534
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:05.360
just you know, just speaking of
Halloween, did you notice when Carrie was

535
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.880
on her way home how much that
felt like Halloween? Did you catch that

536
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.440
vibe that had a real Halloween vibe
to it. Yeah, so I'm wondering

537
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.119
if you think Carpenter kind of lifted
it a little bit. Yep, I

538
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:19.239
do, especially since he knew about
this movie, saw this movie, because

539
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.079
he casted PJ Souls because of this
movie, I think some of that was

540
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.239
lifted to Halloween as well. Anyway, Sorry, I didn't mean to go

541
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.119
on a side note there, but
I just picked that up. Well,

542
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.840
let's bring him back to let's bring
him back to the mean Girls club.

543
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:36.199
We got we got to mention Eadie
mcclerk as Helen. Oh go, Yeah,

544
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:43.280
she looked like she was forty even
when she right, she looks like

545
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.840
the secretary from Faris Villain. Yeah. Well, as soon as I saw

546
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:51.519
her, because I you know,
you forget about her until until you see

547
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.119
this movie and you're like, holy
shit, it's Grace. Like I I

548
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:59.599
immediately hear ed Rudy going Grace me
too. That's the first thing keeping in

549
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:04.800
my mind. They think he's a
righteous dude. She has no lines in

550
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.880
the movie, and she asked Brian
to Palmer. She's like, she starts

551
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:08.440
ad lib and she's like, hey, is this okay, and he's like,

552
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:12.920
yeah, it's okay, you can
do that. But I can't.

553
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.800
I can't not see her in a
John role in a John Ues movie.

554
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:20.920
Yeah, like you know, I'm
waiting for her, you know, like

555
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:23.519
like maybe the I don't know,
wait for Steve Martin to show up and

556
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:28.519
start cursing at her. Yeah,
she's on the phone with her aunt,

557
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:37.159
you know. Yeah. Yeah,
oh man, she Yeah, it was.

558
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.280
It's just weird to see her because
she's always been the secretary, she's

559
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:45.000
always been that that age. Yep. And to your point, Amber,

560
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:51.159
she's thirty playing playing a high school
student and we just kind of we go

561
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:57.719
with it. Yeah, she's two
years older than than the gym teacher.

562
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:04.760
But he uh, Betty Buckley,
No, Betty Buckley, that's that's weird.

563
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:08.320
You know, I don't know.
Casting can be weird sometimes in these

564
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.159
movies. I don't think these high
schoolers look as old as the high schoolers

565
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.639
in Greece. Though completely agree with
that. Yes, it must be like

566
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:21.880
the makeup and wardrobe or something,
because these guys look a little closer to

567
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:27.360
the mark. Then yep, yep, yeah, I believe that. Oh

568
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.719
yeah, well on Grease, Yeah, you guys did Greece on a film

569
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:35.480
at forty five and you're like,
yeah, these these uh, these students

570
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:40.119
are having midlight crisis. Is because
one guy's losing his hair. He's supposed

571
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:44.840
to be a senior. I don't
think. I don't think so, guys.

572
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:46.880
Let's take a quick break and when
we get back, we'll talk about

573
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:55.719
an underrated moment and words that matter. Gosh, burnership. Can I get

574
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575
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576
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:10.679
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577
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:16.159
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meal tricks you can collect Burgership. You're

578
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:28.000
incredible Bible. Let's discuss an underrated
moment in Carrie. I'm not talking about

579
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.679
your favorite scene. I'm not talking
about the scene that's in the trailer.

580
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:35.920
I'm talking about the scene that uh
at the movie's If it's not in the

581
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.800
movie, the film's a little bit
less, uh Amber. Is there a

582
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:43.480
scene in this movie that that kind
of hits you that way? I like

583
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.159
the whole section where everybody's getting ready
for the problem and they're kind of talking.

584
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:50.639
Did you hear about Tommy and Carrie? And then you get that great

585
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:55.239
scene with Tommy and his friends buying
the tuxedos. Yeah, they're just a

586
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:59.960
little idiots. And the one guy's
like, I don't know, I don't

587
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:05.400
I feel like ruffles. And I
just think that that whole section is just

588
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:10.480
charming, and I just really like
it. It's a lighter moment for a

589
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:14.880
film like this, And I think, you know something, you have to

590
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:19.159
kind of raise up to the top
of the roller coaster before you go plunging

591
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.039
down, and this could be,
you know, in a different universe,

592
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:29.960
this could be like the Cinderella story. I like that you know where this

593
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.400
could have been, because I always
thought it was weird that nobody gave her

594
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.159
any shit when they got to the
prom. Everybody was just kind of like,

595
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:43.199
she looks nice and didn't really acknowledge
it. And so then you stop

596
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.239
and think this could have been her
Cinderella moment where all of a sudden,

597
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:52.119
you know, she's more confident,
she's you know, kind of coming into

598
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:57.800
herself as a young woman, and
she's standing up to her mother and kind

599
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.559
of releasing herself from all of this, you know, psychological bondage she's been

600
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:07.800
in. So in a different story. You know, this is a fairy

601
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:13.039
tale. That's a good way of
looking at it. I want to watch

602
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:19.280
it with a Cinderella vibe now,
because I think you're onto something like this

603
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.719
is this is like Cinderella unleashed,
you know, yeah, didn't go her

604
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.880
way and she you know, yeah, yeah, man, I like that

605
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:36.440
Amber the Blue Ruffle tucks. We've
seen it in the seventies, We've seen

606
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.239
Jim Carrey do it in the nineties. Is this was it ever a good

607
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:47.079
look? No? I think it's
fun for kids to look back at what

608
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.440
their parents wore to prom and go, yeah, you know, my god,

609
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:55.599
what were you thinking? But no, I don't. You know,

610
00:45:55.639 --> 00:46:00.360
there's a lot of sixties and seventies
style that I love. We were just

611
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:06.079
watching Where's Mary's Baby the other day, and I love like her outfits and

612
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.760
that and the way they style the
apartment and you know, that late sixties

613
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:15.159
kind of vibe. But no,
there is nothing about a blue ruffled Ducks

614
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:22.840
that you can make work on any
level. You can't, Dave, Dave,

615
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.800
tell me about an underrated moment.
So for me, I'm sure,

616
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:29.239
uh Ebert's not gonna agree with me
because she wanted to get rid of missus

617
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:34.239
White. But for me, it
is when miss White drags carry into the

618
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.960
kitchen and you know, locks her
in the pantry closet for the first time,

619
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:39.960
which is you know where she's crazy
horrible, you know, and she's

620
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:45.159
screaming and banging on the door,
which I want to make reference this is

621
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:49.480
the same room she takes her mother
to try and protect her from the house

622
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:53.239
collapsing. That my underrated moment.
I think one thing that's sad about that

623
00:46:54.280 --> 00:47:00.400
is that when she finally comes out
m hm, her first response is thank

624
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.880
you, mama, and she kisses
her good night. Like this, this

625
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.320
is a this this closet. It's
scary, but it's also salvation, I

626
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:14.320
guess. Anyway, Yeah, good
scene. I'm gonna go with a there's

627
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:16.639
a scene that takes place of the
problem. I'm talking about Carrie's conversation with

628
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:21.599
Ms Collins when Tommy gets up to
go get him some punch or whatever.

629
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:27.000
It's a heartfelt moment that that I
think further paints Miss Collins as a surrogate

630
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.119
mother rather than a teacher. It's
like she's the mom that Carrie deserved,

631
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:36.039
right, And for me, it's
a pivotal moment for Carrie because she's finally

632
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.440
beginning to let her guard down and
feel accepted. You know, Amber mentioned

633
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:42.440
everyone at the proms like they're not
they're not giving her shit, they're not

634
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.559
making fun of her. She comes
in, she's got this beautiful dress that

635
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.719
she made. You know, the
other girl, the other guy, you

636
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:51.639
know, his girlfriend's like, Oh, I love your dress. Where'd you

637
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:53.280
get it? Sho I made it? You know, she's got her hair

638
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:58.239
done, she's got her makeup on, she's she's smiling, well, she's

639
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:01.000
showing her face because like the whole
movie, she's her hair's in her face.

640
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:05.880
She's always you know, slach and
looking down, always slouching. Yeah,

641
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:07.639
so this is kind of like their
first chance to see who the real

642
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:12.519
carry is. And I don't know, I love the moment because it's it's

643
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.599
like the calm before the storm,
Like this is like it's sad because you're

644
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:19.280
like, oh man, this is
a this is how it could have went,

645
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.320
you know, And it leads me
to this question, you know,

646
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.280
not that I want to take a
soft topic, but in an alternate universe

647
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.159
where there's no high school prank,
is this you know? And Amber's kind

648
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:36.320
of inspired me to to ask this, does this movie kind of become a

649
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:40.079
Cinderella story in a way? Like
could this movie have worked as and not?

650
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.400
I'm just saying not as a horror
movie? Could this? Could this

651
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:46.599
have worked as a drama where Carrie
gets her chance to shine and and she

652
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:54.800
lives happily ever after? Would that
have worked? Amber? I mean in

653
00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:00.440
a you know, there's there's a
ton of stories like that, you know,

654
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:05.199
that kind of movies like She's all
that and yeah, you know where

655
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:07.960
you know, the girl takes off
her glasses and all of a sudden she's

656
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:14.440
beautiful and yeah, everybody realizes she
was there all alone, you know,

657
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:19.280
and I think that that's something that
everybody aspires to have. That sort of

658
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:23.000
trodden upon, ugly deckling, you
know, emerges a swan eventually. So

659
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:31.119
I think in you know, a
non Stephen King coming of age story and

660
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:36.400
that and the whole thing hinges on
the prank. Yeah, you know,

661
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:38.320
I think she could have still been
telekinetic. You know, a lot of

662
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:43.239
the things that she experienced could still
have happened. And all hinges on this

663
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:49.559
prank that that Chris and her boyfriend
pull that you know, just explodes everything.

664
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:57.800
Dave, Let's talk about words that
matter. M Is there a do

665
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:02.199
you have a favorite line? Is
there a memorable line that you immediately think

666
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.519
of when you when you think of
the work the movie carry and is it

667
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.079
still relevant today? Always still using
it in today's pop culture. For me,

668
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.039
when I think of this movie,
I always think of they're all going

669
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:31.559
to laugh at you. I think
that was the most relatable that the mom

670
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:37.480
ever was was showing fear for Carrie. Yeah, you know, but uh,

671
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:45.119
I mean my girlfriends and we always
uh throughout the I could see you

672
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:51.719
dirty pillars. I remember that one
too. Yeah, Yeah. For me,

673
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.679
I think I gotta agree with with
Dave. It's definitely, uh,

674
00:50:54.719 --> 00:51:00.360
they're all gonna laugh at you.
It's it's it works on two different different

675
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:04.199
platforms. For me, it's a
taunt. You know, when she's when

676
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.800
she snaps at the prom and she's
seeing everyone laugh at her, even though

677
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.039
you know, like people that aren't
laughing, she just sees them laughing.

678
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:16.440
Right, So I feel it's a
taunt. And then Amber definitely has is

679
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.639
onto something there where it is it's
a it's a protective thing, you know,

680
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:23.519
it's a she's she's she's saying it
out of love, out of protection.

681
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:28.559
But even though it's not the best, the best way of doing it,

682
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.800
I guess well, let's take let's
take one more break and uh we

683
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:39.719
come back. We'll talk prequel sequel
remake. All right, you both are

684
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:45.800
quite experienced at this question because it
has been asked many, many times on

685
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:52.800
our limited series nineteen eighty six.
Amber continues to answer it on our Patreon

686
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:58.079
for the lost episodes of nineteen eighty
six. So let's talk prequel sequel remake

687
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:05.519
for Carrie, Dave, I'm looking
at you first. This movie's been remade

688
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:10.360
once was that about seven years ago, five years ago, something like that.

689
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:16.559
Twenty thirteen was it twenty thirteen?
Okay? Really wasn't a fan of

690
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:21.199
the remake. You know what I
noticed, David, and I wonder if

691
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.360
you'll agree. I just watched it
the other day. I'd never seen it,

692
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:31.239
and it's the exact same story,
like except for time and place and

693
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:37.320
actors. Nothing's changed. And I
feel like it's the difference between a good

694
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:43.320
director making a movie and an artist
making a movie. Ah yeah, okay,

695
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:50.280
because what Brian de Palma brings to
this movie is just unparalleled. Correct,

696
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.760
completely agree. Yeah, And I
didn't think of it that way,

697
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:58.880
so you know, that is a
valid point. So for me, and

698
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.440
they've tried the sequel thing for I'm
gonna say, leave it alone, Jeff.

699
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.559
I don't want to remake. I
don't want a sequel. I like

700
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:13.159
some movies just to be left alone
as they are, and I think that

701
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.320
this one is where it needs to
be. You know, I don't care

702
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.719
for that. That is, you
don't care for that. You've used it

703
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.599
before. But uh so I'm gonna
I'm gonna I'm gonna look away from you

704
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:29.719
now. I'm gonna look at Amber
and I'm gonna ask Amber Amber prequel sequel

705
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:34.559
remake, what are you gonna do
with the carry franchise? Well, I

706
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:42.920
did like what Dave said. Remember, however, I was thinking about it.

707
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:49.679
There's no real interest in a prequel. You know, everybody's dead at

708
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.440
the end, so we don't need
a sequel. So I was thinking remake,

709
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:57.400
and I couldn't think of anybody that
I would cast. But what I

710
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:02.000
did think was I am a huge
fan of the found footage kind of movie,

711
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.360
like give it to me, The
Blair Witch Project, paranormal activity,

712
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:14.039
like I love it. So I
think it would be interesting to see through

713
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:20.199
like kind of like the book was, different interviews and newspaper clippings and things

714
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:23.639
like that. I think it'd be
interesting to see cell phone footage of the

715
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:31.480
bullying and you know, somebody's home
movie of getting ready for prom, and

716
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:40.360
you know people's cell phone journals of
what happened at prom and CCTV footage and

717
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:45.519
I don't know, I think that'd
be interesting. Okay, So Dave,

718
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:49.840
so I asked. I asked Dave
for prequel sequel remake. He says,

719
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:55.320
no choice, he doesn't market any
box, and Amberg goes all Scott hoffin

720
00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:00.239
with us. She doesn't give us
a prequel sequel. She's going sidequel if

721
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.440
that's if that's such a thing.
She's like, I want to see the

722
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:06.840
found footage, the aftermath of the
of the town. Okay, I but

723
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:07.760
I like that, Amber, I
like that. You know I like it

724
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.920
too, Now, Amber said Dave. Amber says, there's no interest in

725
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:16.239
a prequel. I'm going to try
to win her over because we know we've

726
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:21.079
had the sequel, The Rage Carrie
two, We've had the remake with Chloya

727
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:25.760
Grace Moritz, there's been a Broadway
musical. We've we've kind of mentioned Betty

728
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.280
Buckley as the tim teacher. In
the Broadway musical, Betty Buckley played the

729
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:36.880
role of Carrie's mother. How about
that? Oh but here, here's my

730
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:44.840
pitch. It's a prequel that tells
the sordid story of Carrie's mother, Margaret

731
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:51.800
White, and the mysterious circumstances surrounding
the deaths of her father and her husband,

732
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:58.599
Ralph. Maggie's refusal to acknowledge the
strange power inside of her leads to

733
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:02.199
her refusal to accept respond ability for
her actions, which drives her deep into

734
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:08.519
this religious fanaticism that ultimately consumes her
life. We all know who Margaret White

735
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:15.320
is, but now it's time to
meet Maggie starring Jennifer Lawrence rated ar.

736
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:21.000
Yeah, he won me over.
That would be good. Yeah, the

737
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:25.119
whole, the whole, the whole
idea is that this this power. I

738
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:29.519
never thought about her having it.
Yeah, it was passed down from the

739
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:31.840
mother. Okay, and Amber.
We know from the book and a couple

740
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:36.639
couple notes or a couple of lines
in the movie, we know that the

741
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:40.119
that Carrie's dad, Ralph was this. He was a scumbag, you know,

742
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:46.400
he kind of forced himself on her. I like the idea that Maggie

743
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:54.679
like has this psychotic break and renounces
the power by just going deep into religion

744
00:56:55.400 --> 00:57:00.280
and denying herself that power. So
when she sees her daughter have it,

745
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:05.400
you know, well that's interesting because
that's how Carrie comes to discover what it

746
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:12.480
is she has. Is first she's
looking at miracles and is this a miracle

747
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:17.559
that I'm experiencing And that leads her
through the card catalog to yeah, you

748
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:22.880
know the science of miracles and telekinesis
so, and why he would have gone

749
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:27.199
the other way? Yes, which
goes to the voice show why she had

750
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:30.239
no choice but to try to kill
her daughter at the end. Yes,

751
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:34.559
that would add so much more to
that ending as well. Interesting Jeff,

752
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:40.159
Yeah, Maggie, that's the prequel
to Carrie that I want to see at

753
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:45.880
least. So all right, all
right, well, thank you, all

754
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:52.480
right, my job is done.
Out of four possible stars, David Burns,

755
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:57.679
what are you going to rate Carrie, I'm giving it a four?

756
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:02.119
Four all right? Perfose or Amber? Yep? Same four? Same?

757
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:06.679
Okay, I'm gonna be a little
harsher. I guess I was going three

758
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:09.159
and a half stars, but I
will say I think it's one of the

759
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:15.039
best adaptations of a Stephen King novel, if not the best. Agreed,

760
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:19.519
Well, I don't agree with that, but it is one of the best

761
00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:22.840
maybe one. Yeah, Amber,
you shot from the hit there with.

762
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:30.280
I don't agree with it's the best. You have the best King. You

763
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:35.000
know what, that might be the
perfect adaptation because I read the book,

764
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.559
I've seen the movie Everybody Loves Everybody
Loves stand By Me, and those are

765
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:45.960
great stories, very sentimental, very
of their moment, But Misery captures the

766
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:51.599
master of horror. Yeah, you're
absolutely right, I can't argue with that.

767
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.079
All right, Well, before this
gymnasium burns down, let's talk about

768
00:58:55.719 --> 00:59:00.239
let's talk about tomorrow. Amber.
What is happening over on Docking Base seventy

769
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:07.239
seven. I am joining Dayton and
my dearest friend Robert and my son Liam,

770
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:14.599
and we were talking about our top
seven favorite childhood characters. Nice,

771
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:19.360
So the ones that inspired us,
the ones that you know, kind of

772
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:23.800
developed who we are and that stick
with us to this day. Okay,

773
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:27.840
so it's the top seven. Can
you I don't know if I don't know

774
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:30.199
if Dayton will find you for this, but can you give us one of

775
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:34.519
your picks? Is going to mine? Well, can you give us one

776
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:38.639
of yours? Well, it will
be no surprise to anybody who has listened

777
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:44.639
to the Docking Bay Alien episode that
Ripley is on my list. Okay,

778
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:46.599
a great episode. Anyway. You
guys did that with the All Eighties Movies

779
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:51.679
podcast, Jill and Jason. Those
guys are fantastic. They are amazing.

780
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:55.000
Yeah, all right, well,
Dave, speaking of amazing, what is

781
00:59:55.039 --> 01:00:01.159
going on? I understand you guys
have a special guest for our limited Star

782
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:07.199
Trek series Drawn into Lower Decks tomorrow
we sure do. It's our episode nine.

783
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:12.199
We're talking about the episode of the
Interfight, but along with us is

784
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:17.239
the director of the inter Fight,
Brandon Williams, joining us to talk way

785
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:23.079
that's right. That is gonna be
a good question. Nice can't wait for

786
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:30.840
the listeners to hear it well.
Listeners, tune in tomorrow to both shows

787
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:35.039
because we've got some great stuff coming
at you. As always, we thank

788
01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:39.760
you. Carrie is currently streaming on
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789
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:45.280
what you think of Carrie at a
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790
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:52.599
Next time. On nineteen seventy six, we'll get dirty with Clint Eastwood's

791
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:59.360
iconic San Francisco inspector Harry Callahan when
we give you the skinny on the Enforcer.

792
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:02.719
Thanks for lending your ears. Will
catch you on the flip side.