1976 - Rocky

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Rocky Balboa. Never heard of him. Look it's the name man, the

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Italian Stallion. He's a south Ball. I don't want you messing around with

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South Ball, Slady do everything bass
I was for nothing. I've dropped me

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three. Apollo Creed meets the Italian
Stallion sounds like a damn monster movie.

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Hello everybody, and welcome back to
nineteen seventy six, where we look at

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the years most iconic films. Today
happens to be my birthday, and coincidently,

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we're discussing my all time favorite film, Rocky. I am joined today

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by Warner Brothers animation director Andy tom
Andy. Welcome back to the show.

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Thanks for having me, and happy
birth day man. Thank you man.

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I appreciate that. Last time we
we I know, we told our listeners

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a little bit about what an animation
director does. We talked about some of

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the projects you've been involved with.
This time. I would love to tell

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people kind of like how how you
and I met, because it wasn't it

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wasn't through film, It wasn't through
the movies. That's just something that we

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happened to find out we had a
kinship for. Uh. Can we talk

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about the mustache Man? Video on
YouTube. Yeah yeah, I uh so,

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I did the very first Tough Mutter. It's a it's an obstacle course

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mud run, right, and you
know, I started up and when I

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turned forty, I ran my first
marathon. I was never really a runner,

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per se. I was always an
athlete, baseball and wrestling stuff like

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that. But then, uh I
decided to try running. I did a

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marathon when I was forty, and
then I think when I was like forty

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five, we heard about tough Mutters. Uh well, Tough Mutter was becoming

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a thing, and it was in
a mais Pennsylvania, and didn't know what

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to expect, and a friend front
of me. We did the first one

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and I was I always hooked,
you know. It was just a little

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edgier than a run, which I
liked, and I made a like,

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I don't know what you'd call it, a fan film, right, So

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it was just me training, which
I normally do. I've always been a

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gym rat, you know, ever
since I could, you know, like

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since I was like sixteen, I
was always the guy in the gym.

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And so I filmed like and I'm
I'm also like a well an animation director

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and at that time. When I
made the video, I was already I've

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been directing an animation for quite a
while, so I knew how to tell

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a story. And I pretty much
told the story through a YouTube video,

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which was the first one I ever
made, and I made a training video

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for Tough Mutter. So it was
me just running around doing all kinds of

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I guess what you'd call training put
basketball, push ups and stuff like that,

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and then uh it Tough Mutter.
I sent it to Tough Mutter,

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just as like a love letter,
not thinking i'd get any views or anything,

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just like, hey, tough Matter, check this out. And they

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put it on their website and it
went viral. I think it's up to

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now, it's like two and a
half million views to two point seven maybe,

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I don't know, but it was
really exciting. I'd never known anything

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about viral videos before. I was
never a social media guy at all.

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Really. Yeah, and so but
what I don't I know what inspired quite

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a few people, which was wonderful, and I hope it inspired you,

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Jeff two. I mean, but
I don't. I didn't do it as

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a as a piece to glorify myself
more as to motivate, you know,

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look at it. I'm forty five, you know, and you can still

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maintain an active lifestyle. So anyways, that I think that message came through

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with my ability to edit properly.
Like I said, I'm not like this

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super athlete. I was more of
like a video editor. So that's what

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I give the credit to. And
yeah, I'm sorry for the long winded

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explanation, but that's pretty much it. I made a viral video and then

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I got a bunch of online friends
like yourself and and some other great people

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I met online through it. Yeah, incredibly inspirational, incredibly motivating. I

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remember it was it's twenty eleven.
Uh. Me and a couple of buddies

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had discovered the obstacle course racing,
you know, like the different events we

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signed up for for Warrior Dash,
a little five K one, a little

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fun when we we crush it and
then we think, okay, let's let's

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do something big, let's do something. Let's let's let's up the stakes.

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And we find your video on YouTube
and this whole tough Mutter training and we

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look at a tough mutter we signed
up and we were blown away because watching

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it, I'm like this guy,
he's like an action hero. Yeah,

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the stuff you're doing, we you
know, embarrassingly, I gotta tell you,

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like we immediately were starting to like
duplicate and like imitate, you know.

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I was like, well, the
Mustache Man, he check out.

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He this is how he starts his
run, and this is this is what

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he's doing. I don't know if
these sticks are he's using, but I'm

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gonna look up and I'm gonna find
out, because the bottom line is,

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uh, you've got some extensive experience, uh in fighting as well. Right,

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Yeah, Yeah, First off,
I gotta say, I gotta give

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a lot of the training that's in
the video. That's I got a credit

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Obi Rountree. He's the he's the
big guy in the Steeler if you watch

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the video, he's a big guy
in the Steelers Jersey. He's a he

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was a madman when it comes to
to he making innovative you know, exercises.

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So he was great. But all
the martial arts, that's all stuff

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that I've been doing long before Mustache
Man. I'm a big martial arts scotch.

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I still trained quite a lot,
but yeah, I'm certified under Dana

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Assanto. He's a he's a Bruce
Lee's main student. So uh and that's

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another whole can of worms I could
open. But you know, but yeah,

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I'm a big I used to I
used to run a martial arts school.

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So yeah, that's why this movie
kind of fits into I mean,

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my love of film and editing and
you know fighting. So it's it's it's

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like perfect storm of awesomeness for me. Well, let's let's get into the

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background of this film. And I
know this is these are some of the

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stories that people have heard probably a
thousand times, so we won't stay too

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much on him. But for anyone
that that maybe doesn't know how Rocky comes

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to comes to be, it's after
seeing stallone in The Lords of Flatbush,

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producers Irwin Winkler and Robert Charthoff agreed
to meeting with Sly. Now they don't

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have anything for him. You know, he's there on an acting gig.

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They don't really have anything for him. He's walking out the door. He

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counters with the fact that he has
a screenplay, which is Paradise Sally.

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Now they love it. The trouble
is it's already optioned. So they tell

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Sly, you know, hey,
come back if you have any new ideas.

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Now, he goes home, knowing
the door is wide open for this

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incredible opportunity. He recalls watching the
Chuck Webner Muhammad Ali fight on March twenty

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fourth, nineteen seventy five at Richfield
Coliseum and Richfield, Ohio, which ain't

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too far away from where I'm living
now. He's inspired and he begins writing

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that night. So six weeks later
he's back with Rocky in his hands.

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He's got one hundred and six dollars
in his bank account. They offer him

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thirty five thousand dollars and he turns
them down. Andy Stallone won't sell it

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unless he stars in it, so
they go along with that on the condition

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that he also agrees to work for
scale and receive zero money for the script.

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I mean a deal like this,
dude, deals like this, they're

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not going to happen in today's Hollywood, right, and especially when you're you're

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so so deep and hot that you
have to sell your dog oh kiss.

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I mean yeah, the guy was
in no position to negotiate, So,

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yeah, it is. It is
amazing that this was even we're even to

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see this movie made, but yeah, uh, he writes the draft in

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three days. It goes through nine
rewrites, and I'm gonna I'm gonna say

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thankfully because originally it's a dark story. Do you know, do you know

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uh the details of the original Rocky
script, Andy, I do, and

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I'm kind of glad we didn't see
that version. But yeah, the listeners

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in yeah Mick, I well,
I some some points. I know is

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that Mick was a raging racist.
Uh so that's kind of nice that they

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didn't add that. Yeah, sympathetic, I know, I know. I

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think it was supposed to end with
Rocky throwing the fight, right and then

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saying like the attitude of like I
just don't want to be a pro boxer

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anymore, which I don't. Look
that might have been okay, I don't

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know, you know, he's like, just walk out of the ring.

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I'm done. But definitely the racism
thing that that wouldn't have been nice to

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see. Yeah, that's all.
Those are the only points I really remember.

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I think that's that's the big ones
right there. You know, you

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and I were both fans of the
gritty seventies cinema storytelling. My only thought

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is that maybe he initially has Mickey
more unlikable, and this ends on a

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on a more negative ending because of
the times, right, like you know,

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and this is the this is the
hip thing. You know. We

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we've talked like on we we talked
about assaults on pre six thirteen where you're

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your hero is a is a convicted
murderer. Right, yeah, yeah,

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I'm glad. I'm glad it went
down the way it was. And and

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talk about the gritty seventies. Yeah, I think this movie is, this

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franchise is a prime example of the
transition from the gritty seventies to the cornball

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eighties. Like you know, like
if you get Rocky two, Rocky three,

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Rocky four, I mean, it
just gets cornier and cornier. You

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know, he has a freak house
and it's just silly, stilly. But

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this first, Like, here's what
I like to propose to in critique of

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this movie. I'd like to ignore
that Rocky two through five don't even exist.

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So just look at this in a
vacuum and it's it's it's brilliant.

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It's one of the I'm like you, I think this is one of the

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best movies ever made. And I
don't say that she's something. I mean,

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I'm I really seriously think that every
frame is virtually perfect in this movie.

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But if you just like I said, if you just ignore even the

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sequel, even Rocket two, it
doesn't exist. It's it's perfect. Winkler

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and chart Off take the movie to
United Artists and they say, hey,

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this is a two million dollar budget. Let's talk to Robert Redford or Ryan

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O'Neill. If they're not interested,
call up Burt Reynolds or Nick Nolty.

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Let's even look at James Cohn.
You know, they hear about the stipulation

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with Sly starring, they immediately drop
the budget to one million, and they

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hold Winkler and chart Off libel if
the picture goes over budget, and it

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does only by one hundred thousand dollars. But these two guys end up mortgaging

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their houses to pay for for Rocky, which I think, man, could

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you imagine And if they were like, yes, sorry, sorry, kid,

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we can't do it. Yeah.
Yeah. And it's really a testament

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to those guys is that they believed
in the in the in the project,

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which was is great. Yeah.
I heard that same story too, and

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it's incredible when you keep hearing the
names that were considered for the for the

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roles, you know, with Mick
and with uh Talia Shire and all the

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people they were planning or you know, in talks with I mean Susan Sarandon

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and Harvey Keitel, and I was
just like Jesus, let's see Hollywood,

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who's who of you know, who
was popular? Yeah, let's let's jump

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into that, because I I had
I had something. But then, uh,

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I wanted to get into this with
you. Uh, you know talking

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about talking about people that could have
been a contender, right, So we

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talked about who who they were looking
at for Rocky. But uh, let's

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start off with the director. Initially, director John Borman, who directed Deliverance

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and would go on to do ex
Caliber. He passes on this project,

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right right right? Bad decision.
Interesting. I mean I don't think he's

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he's that far off from Mats.
I don't know that could have been interesting

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seeing that. But yeah, if
he if he turned it down, what

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are you gonna do? So well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you

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what you do. I'll tell you
what he did. He ended up doing

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Exorcist to the Heretic. Yeah,
that's that's a bad call, John,

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Uh tell you this one. I
was really fascinated by Tall You Shire's husband,

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David Shire, is the original composer, and he has to turn it

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down so he can finish work on
a different movie from nineteen seventy six because

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he's composing all the President's men.
Oh I did not know that, all

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right, crazy? I like he
still worked in too. I dig that

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because I think the last movie he
did that I was. I loved his

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his music was David Venture's Zodiac.
Oh yeah, yeah, great, great

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score. Speaking Italia, you mentioned
Susans Randon. Yeah, yeah, I

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think she was one. I can't
it was more than one, obviously,

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but there was two big ones.
Actually. Susan Sarandon auditions and she's told

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she's too pretty to play Adrian,
which I guess if you're going to get

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rejected, that's probably probably the best
news to take, right. They're also

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looking at Share. Oh yeah,
yeah, yeah yeah. Do you think

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Share could have pulled this off?
No? I do know. It's funny

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when you when you hear the names
and you're immediately we at least or me,

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I just have this knee jerk like, thank god that didn't happen,

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Like, because like I said,
I think everyone's so perfect in this You

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know and tell you it's just she's
incredible of it. Yeah, she's got

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a couple of beats where her acting
is a little stiff, but I mean

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her look and the way she just
you know, looks at the ground in

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the first half of the movie,
you know, and it's just beautiful.

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So I don't know, Yeah,
maybe somebody else could have slipped in that

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role, but shared did you know
she does have some good acting chops.

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Yeah, I can't imagine it.
I think it's cool, uh, you

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know when you you know, because
obviously Adrian's such a a sheltered, shy,

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introverted character. A lot of her
physicality in the movie, though,

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came from the fact that she's really
sick with the flu the whole time they're

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shooting this thing. You know.
Even even that clumsy first kiss, Yeah,

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that was it. I guess that's
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and she didn't want to give get
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but even if you watch, you
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we're gonna do this, I trust
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you before we started recording, is
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movie so many times that I actually
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that I may have missed, you
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action, and I'll watch the characters
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even cars. I'll look at cars
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if you watch the beginning when he
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feature Talia Shire, she's not even
she You don't even get a good look

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at her face, like she's costly
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like some pet food. It's it's
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shyness is just crushing. Boy,
it's brutal, but yeah, it's it's

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wonderful. They're looking at a Stallone
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maybe maybe he's not. Yeah,
Bert young though, just he crushed this

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role. I think who who?
Who looks exactly like my uncle Frank.

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My father told me that when I thought

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it. Who was also a war
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of Bulge. Oh wow, yeah, my uncle Frank. But he he's

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my dad's father's brother, so he's
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on the Lower East Side of Manhattan. I used to see him quite a

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bit and he even talked like PAULI, you know, so it's funny,

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you know I And honestly, I
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here because he was, in fact
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he goes, uh, he wins
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serving in the Marine Corps. He
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a pro fighter. Bert Young is
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he's got in his corner managing him. No, you're gonna, You're gonna

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this will blow your mind. None
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wow, like that Mike Tyson's manager. Yeah, it's managing Burt Young.

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know, Stallone is writing it and
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hey, what do you think?
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things that work, things that don't
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heard they he showed them. I
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were working out the fights and it
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a couple of stunt choreographers. They're
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you know, action for the for
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Young gave some notes. Yeah,
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I've done. I couldn't imagine if
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to write a thirty two page fight
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I you know, when I get
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like let's say I'm on Avengers or
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you get you'll get maybe two lines
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through the city. Well that's just
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you know, that's a big thing
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could imagine the original script just says
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they throw it, they exchange blows. But I'm sure that's the original script.

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It must have been insane. Yeah, let's talk about throwing some blows.

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Uh looking at Apollo Creed. Originally
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role, but because he's weighing in
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big. Uh you know, it
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couldn't believe it. Roger E.
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he says are creative differences. Oh
and know that. Wow, Yeah,

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I didn't know I knew about Ken
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and uh, you know, the
world got rocky fever. But also at

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the time, you know, Muhammad
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I was a kid, I didn't
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his boisterousness. You know. Now, oh my god, he's the greatest.

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I love him. And I looked
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when Ken Norton broke his jaw during
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jaw. Ken Norton immediately became my
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and during the fight and Norton caught
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right, I'm immediately a Ken Norton
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have applauded that back then. Yeah, and you know, we have to

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remember, Apollo Creedy basically is Muhammad
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that's the inspiration for the character.
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you know, talking about Apollo.
A couple months ago, I had

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the opportunity to uh to meet Carl
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you know, a little photo op
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put him in the ring in a
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physically he is a physical specimen.
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if they started started production on on
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shape. He absolutely is in phenomenal
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He's a he was a stuntman on
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Carl Weathers and you know, I
asked the bottom. Yeah, he's great,

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he says, he's all older.
You know, he's definitely up in

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years now. Yeah, what is
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think, but very still very imposing. Uh. We we were gonna do

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it. We were doing this photo
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you know, you know, we
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and he he just started He's just
his head. He got to do his

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head back started laugh. He's like, yeah, I figured, so,

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you know, fun fun photo I
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the Dylan Dutch handshake. But great, that's great. Talk about a couple

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of people, uh, you know, moving up in the ranks in this

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movie. I noticed two people in
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last time I watched. I was
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Who I think it is. I
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guys. But Apollo's bodyguard is played
by a very young Michael Dorn. Yeah.

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This is first first roll yeah made
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don't know the name, Michael Dorn, Star Trek fans are definitely gonna know

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him because he is the man,
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Generation and all the movies and then
definitely a fun one for me, Andy,

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Can you tell me who the bum
is that Rocky picks up and carries

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inside the bar? No, I
can't. If if I wouldn't, there's

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a there's a shot. So he
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street and he puts him in a
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looks up. If I didn't see
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I never would have known this.
But that is in fact Trauma Entertainment co

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founder Lloyd Kaufman. Lloyd what is
what has Lloyd Kaufman doing on the streets

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affiliate in nineteen seventy six? I
don't know, but just watching just watching

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it, Uh, last last time
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that and I'm like, you know
what, if that's Kaufman, he'll get

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it. He'll get some kind of
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is he credited as as a bum, he's also credited as a pre production

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superviow e on the movie Oh kidding, this is this is way before Trauma,

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you know, before the toxic Avenger
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So I thought that was kind of
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know, it's crazy. I just
watched I have to. I have to

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go back and look at that then. Yeah, because he's just there's only

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two shots with him from the ext
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him in the booth. Cool.
Well, I'll tell you what. Let's

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take a let's take a quick break, and when Andy and I return,

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we're gonna we're gonna get into Rocky's
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training, I do want to point
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into the training, I'm sure,
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Philadelphia Art Museum is one of the
most famous scenes in movie history. Right

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on our Marathon Man episode for nineteen
seventy six, we talked about Garrett Brown,

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who invented the steadicam. Well,
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footage of his girlfriend running those same
steps. So for those people that don't

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know, his plan was to you
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can do for potential buyers. And
point of fact, he sells the steadicam

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on his first day in LA and
it's several months later. Uh. Director

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John g alott aveltson who who gave
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sees the test footage, thinks it's
perfect for Rocky, and he hires Brown

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and the stetycam to recreate it for
the film. Absolutely love that. Uh

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yeah, this is the third movie
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other one Born to Run or something. I can't remember. Brown's not the

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only guy from Philly though, right, Andy, you're from Philly. You

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were from Philly? Well yeah,
I mean, you know, like,

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give me, give me an hour
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He told me this great story about
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to share that with the listeners?
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so, let's see, I would
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always looking for another challenge. You
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I found online that somebody, it
was a blogger that from Philly that mapped

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out Rockies run in the movie.
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in South Philly, they figured that
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ran, you know, or he
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and he runs along the Italian market
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at the steps of the Art Museum. And it turned out that if he

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some odd miles. It's outrageous.
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paired it down. I don't know
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they paired it down. That run, they mapped it out through the city

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and made it into an ultra marathon, which was ultra marathons are or anything

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over twenty six point two miles and
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the average marathons. So if you
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Or and I've done we used to do

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quite a bit of ultra marathons,
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mapped out the Rocky Run, which
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what is that thirty one point something? I don't know, but anyway,

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and and it was for the thing
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the cheering fans and the aid stations. So it was it was a self

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supported run. It was advertised just
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know, there's no charge. You
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time and a date to meet,
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was twenty sixteen. I might be
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Rocky's house down in South Philly.
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funny because we everyone decided to dress
in the gray sweats and they handed out

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red head bands and I was gonna
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you know, running thirty some odd
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on your feet. But well,
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tough mutter training and still so yeah, no, and I still do well.

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I used sneakers. I always say
it's protection, uh, not correction,

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sneakers. So I still do that
and to this day. But yeah,

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fun. And you're giving a map and

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they were I think they were probably
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and the guy with a bullhorn just
said, okay, go and we

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each got a little map and we
ran through the city. We got pictures

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and there were people driving along the
road, you know, Broad Street in

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Philly with the Rocky music cranking out
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was a blast, and it was

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nice because you know, you're you're
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the street, you grab it,
you eat it, and you just keep

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running. Uh And it ended at
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it took you know, it took
me quite a while. I'm not a

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00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.799
fast runner. When you run ultras, you're not running at its eight minute

406
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:37.319
pace. You're running at like twelve
fourteen minute brisk walk. Uh. So,

407
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.640
yeah, it was a lot of
fun. Man. I couldn't imagine

408
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.440
what a treat for people the neighborhood
to see like forty forty to fifty people

409
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.559
dressed like Rocky and running the exact
route that that had to be. That

410
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.759
had to be a wild scene.
Yeah, I don't know if I told

411
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.200
you, well, you know,
like you you separate like so, so

412
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:56.759
if it's like that few amount of
people, there's some people that are a

413
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.839
lot fast, there's some people a
lot slower, and you separate over that

414
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.799
large amount of time. So you'll
go if you stood up one street corner.

415
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.720
You'd see one guy dressed as Rocky
go by, and then maybe five

416
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.200
minutes go by and you see another
guy dressed as Rocky, and and that

417
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.240
happened. One guy he's like,
hey, man, let me ask you.

418
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.920
You go, what the hell is
going on? Like he goes,

419
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:19.079
I'm seeing all these people running his
Rocky down this road. Now it's a

420
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:25.160
run. Man, It's it's it's
a Rocky run. That's wild. Is

421
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.200
it is this something that they did? It become like an annual thing,

422
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.880
you know, or you know what
I think what happened. I think it

423
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.519
might have been picked up but by
the news. But like I said,

424
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:38.000
it's it's not sanctioned. It's not
really I'm not gonna say it's illegal,

425
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:44.799
but it's it's the Kumata of marathons. Right, Okay, I'll take that.

426
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:52.519
But the thing is, they made
a sterile version of it like shortly

427
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.440
after that one because they saw that
it was successful. So they made like

428
00:30:55.480 --> 00:31:02.000
a Rocky five k that started in
I don't know, Odd Street, and

429
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:03.359
and it just wasn't you know,
and they were they had to get all

430
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:07.599
the legal oh, get people to
end on the on the art museum steps.

431
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.839
So they didn't actually end there,
you know, it was they did

432
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.599
it by the book, whereas we
didn't. Yeah, and I don't know

433
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:15.799
of anybody that did it. I
didn't do it. I wasn't going to

434
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:21.759
do a Rocky five k. So
anyway, Yeah, there's a lot of

435
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:23.720
fun running through the city. And
it was crazy because you're running along you

436
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.880
know, you run along the docks. But it's it's uh, it's just

437
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.599
slightly different now, you know,
from seventy six and then this was twenty

438
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.319
sixteen, like you know Rockies,
he's running along the train tracks and then

439
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.880
now those are all like blocked off. You can't even get back there.

440
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.720
You know. The Italian market was
a little more cleaned up, but yeah,

441
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.279
it's all still there. It was
all still there. Wow, And

442
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.400
I know all right Dad. Also, had you've heard of go rock events?

443
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:55.359
Yeah? Absolutely, Special Forces run
you pretty much carry a bunch of

444
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.759
weight on your backpack and they usually
run twelve hours. So I did.

445
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:02.920
Also did a go Rock that began
right there on the Art Museum steps and

446
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.039
we had to we had to do
a bear crawl up the steps and then

447
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:12.960
and this is starting at I think
one in the morning or two. You

448
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.680
know, midnight or something. We
start and we had to bear crawl up

449
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.400
the steps and crawl through the water
and a fountain or you know, it's

450
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.240
freezing cold. And so that was
another thing we did there, and durance

451
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:28.920
type thing right there. Rocky Rocky
Zone. Man. You know, all

452
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:34.400
these scenes with Rocky running through Philadelphia, they're shot with no permits, no

453
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.480
equipment, and no extras. Basically, it's it's like the run that you're

454
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:43.119
describing to us. But all the
reactions from people are authentic, you know,

455
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.640
right down to the guy in the
food market tossing him an orange.

456
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.640
This is this is a guy that
had no idea they're shooting a movie and

457
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.920
he's just tossing an orange to a
guy he thought was exercising, and they

458
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.160
kept it in. I love that
about this movie. I didn't get any

459
00:32:55.200 --> 00:33:01.200
orange, did you. Did you
hear that he tore a hamstring or something

460
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:05.240
during one of those runs and they
had to wheelbarrel him to a hospital.

461
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:07.720
What, no, this is?
This is? I did not know.

462
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:13.359
Yeah, apparently one of the runs, you know, he's and he tore

463
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.079
something, put him in a wheel
barrel and set him to the hospital.

464
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:22.279
I might be misremembering is. But
I'm pretty sure that well I know because

465
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:27.720
I because I know him in uh, whether as they both sustain injuries in

466
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:31.880
the ring, like you know,
legitimately. The funny thing there is that

467
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:39.039
in the movie Creed gets his his
ribs busted up pretty bad, and uh

468
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:44.119
it's actually stallone that that had that
happened to him in real life. And

469
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.720
then Rocky. You know Creed,
Creed breaks Rocky's nose in the movie in

470
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:51.880
the fight, and that kind of
happened to Carl Weather. So but but

471
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.279
him him tearing a ligament or or
you know something like that, that that's

472
00:33:55.359 --> 00:34:00.079
a you know, you can't you
can't run, would you say, thirty

473
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:05.079
thirty something miles, you can't.
You can't do that in chucks and expect

474
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.559
to Uh yeah, you know that
you're not gonna get a link a bit

475
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:14.119
torn Rocky. So it goes without
saying, uh, you know, we

476
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:15.840
know that it won the Academy Ward
for Best Picture, but it's the first

477
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:23.000
sports movie to win Best Picture.
I love that about this movie. Yeah,

478
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:25.760
I can't think of I mean,
on the Waterfront, I don't know

479
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:30.159
if that one and do you consider
that a sports movie? Boxing? But

480
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.960
I'm trying to think of other sports
movies before that. You know, what

481
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:39.239
was it the Gipper? You know, yeah, Reagan was New Brot Me,

482
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:44.559
New Rotteny, all American. Yeah, but those weren't anywhere near quality

483
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.480
of this, you know, nah
Andy, let's talk about an underrated moment.

484
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.000
It's not the it's not your favorite
scene, it's not the scene that

485
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.440
you're going to see in the trailer. But without it, the film is

486
00:34:54.519 --> 00:35:00.000
less. I can think of like
at least three scenes that would qualify for

487
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.519
this. But what do you what
do you got for an underrated moment in

488
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:07.599
Rocky So my I have, I
have quite a few, and I'm sure

489
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:14.519
I've probably missed a few, and
they're not They're not these entire scenes per

490
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:20.639
se, but it's little things that
Stallone did to cement this character personality.

491
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:27.519
Where Like, so when he first
invites Adrian into his into his apartment,

492
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.920
you know, beautiful scene, oh
one thing? Yeah almost is another one

493
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:36.599
that just popped out at me.
He reaches the screen is broken in his

494
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.480
door, and he reaches over and
he unlatches the door, right he unlocks

495
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:44.000
it, which is such a weird
detail. I'm sure that's not in the

496
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:45.400
script. It can't be. That'd
be the silliest thing to write in the

497
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:52.039
script. But it really just it
just really pushes his character. And oh,

498
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:54.559
this guy's you know, he just
deals with the way life is thrown

499
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.239
at him and okay, I'll still
lock the door even though he can easily

500
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.480
break in kind of thing. I
don't know. I thought that was just

501
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:04.559
a little under It is beautiful little
moment. And then when he gets inside

502
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:08.360
the bill, he gets inside the
room his apartment, and it's dark and

503
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:14.679
he hits the light switch and he
goes click, like you're gonna miss it

504
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:17.679
if you blink. It's nothing.
But it's just him. Like I said,

505
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.480
it's just his character. And then
there's one more more. Here's another

506
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:25.880
little moment is that he gets the
car. Some guy comes by mix Jim

507
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:29.280
and gives him the card and says, you know, this guy, the

508
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:30.559
promoter wants to talk to you.
Go see him, you know. Mick

509
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:35.039
says, what the hell I know
he wants, you know, So he

510
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.840
takes the card, the business card. He goes to the office of the

511
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.119
lady. She's a secretary. He's
like, yeah, I'm here to see

512
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.559
mister Solan. So Fletcher, I
think his name was Fletcher, Yeah,

513
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.719
the fight promoter. Yeah, And
she goes, oh you're Rocky Baba.

514
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.159
Sure, she takes his card,
and then he's ready, he'll see you

515
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.119
now. And then Rocky says,
hey, can I have that, Like

516
00:36:55.159 --> 00:37:00.400
he wanted that card back? Yeah. So beautiful in like it's like his

517
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.880
souvenir of being like just rubbing a
gup against this greatness that he's about to

518
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.280
walk through the door and meet you
know what I mean, like he you

519
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:12.719
could miss it, you know,
So I think those little moments are underrated.

520
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:14.679
If you're you know, if you're
looking at the movie, you could

521
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:19.239
miss him and you're not going to
notice him. But it just drives it

522
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:23.119
home that, oh, this guy's
he really is that underdog that just doesn't

523
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:29.159
you know, he's just trying to
get through this world. It's it's beautiful,

524
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:37.159
it is. It's that scene in
particular is very beautiful because Rocky throughout

525
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:42.199
this entire movie breaks your heart without
even you know, and it's it's a

526
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.039
moment like that where you're right,
it's a big deal to have that that

527
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:49.119
business card. And even when he's
in Fletcher's office. One thing I always

528
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:53.360
pick up on is that he is
looking straightforward, you know, kind of

529
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:57.079
like he's in you know, the
principal's office. He doesn't want to you

530
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:04.559
know, he doesn't want to be
what am I wanting to say? He's

531
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.880
not trying to sell himself outside the
fact that he just he assumes that he's

532
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.159
there to be a sparring partner.
And he even tells the Fletcher He's like,

533
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.760
hey, I would never take a
cheap shot at the champ. And

534
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:19.280
and just as he's as he's telling
like he's kind of presenting himself, watching

535
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:23.480
Fletcher's face and seeing that smile creep
creep across it, as he realizes this

536
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.960
guy has no idea what I'm about
to offer him. No, And in

537
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:35.960
these moments, Bill Conti's score really
really lets you know when when to feel

538
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.880
a certain way about Rocky. Right
oh yeah, hell yeah. So so

539
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:44.000
two things on that little meeting with
Fletcher where when he asked him, he

540
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:45.360
goes, you know, I want
you to I'm offering you a chance to

541
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:50.840
fight the champ. He answers so
fast, like he really doesn't think about

542
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:52.239
that. He goes, no,
I'm not gonna do it. I don't

543
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:57.559
remember the word. Yeah, absolutely
not. He says, no, he

544
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.519
doesn't like go WHOA, that's really
a great offer. He just like this

545
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:01.920
is his immediate Like, no,
I'm not even in his league, right,

546
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:07.679
I think he says that. But
and also another thing for those shots,

547
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.079
like you said, he's staring straight
ahead, he's in a seat and

548
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:16.519
Fletcher is above him, and it's
this is storyboarding one on one. Is

549
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:21.000
that when you shoot a person like
either a neutral angle, you know,

550
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.519
with the horizons neutral, or it's
you're shooting down on them, then you're

551
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:27.960
kind of taking away their power.
And then if you shoot up at somebody,

552
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:35.400
they're they're overpowering there they look more. And it was mad because if

553
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.239
you see Fletcher, it's kind of
him down and the shot is kind of

554
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.559
going up. But then you see
Rocky and it's just kind of neutral,

555
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:43.840
just staring blankly, and it's beautiful. It just shows who has the power,

556
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:45.119
you know, just visually. Any
Yeah, I'm sorry, I just

557
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:51.199
want a little no no I love
no, not love it man talking about

558
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.159
who who has the I'm sorry,
and I wanted to go on the sport.

559
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:55.280
I want to sorry, I wanted
to talk about the score too.

560
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:00.159
Is that you know, uh well, actually let me. So I am.

561
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.400
In seventy six, Like I said, the world had Rocky fever,

562
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.000
and I was one of them.
I was. I was ten years old,

563
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:13.199
little kid. Uh, And I
got the Rocky soundtrack. It was

564
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:16.559
a single, you know, thirty
three and it came with a forty five

565
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:21.199
inserted, which I've never gotten another
album since, you know, I collect

566
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:28.440
vinyl. And it came with the
forty five of Gonna Fly Now right in

567
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:35.199
something which was odd. But the
if you notice when he's in the room

568
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:38.239
with Adrian and he's he's doing it, pulling a me too moment on her,

569
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:44.239
but he puts the he puts the
music on, and that's ast that

570
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:47.519
was what was on. That's on
the soundtrack, and it's like a vocal

571
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.679
version of Gonna Fly Now. I
actually noticed that, you know, because

572
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.840
oh yeah, okay, the world
is with you. So that is actually

573
00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:01.719
the Gonna Fly Now song, but
just stripped down and make into like a

574
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.920
uh, you know, an R
and B ballot. It's kind of odd.

575
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:08.599
I'm gonna check that out. Yang. Yeah, yeah, it's you

576
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.599
got that song. It's it's up. I mean when I was a kid,

577
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:15.360
I used to listen to it.
They even got the Frank Stallona,

578
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:22.880
the tavy back. Yeah that's get
back. Yeah, but but but yeah,

579
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:24.079
that's that's really not Bill Conti.
I'm really kind of going off,

580
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:28.679
but I but Bill Conti. What
I love the most of his scoring in

581
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.199
the movie is the little I don't
know what you call it, an organ

582
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:34.519
or whatever, when like it's the
moment. One of the moments is when

583
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:42.119
he yeah, he's like, come
on upstairs, you know, he's trying

584
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:44.440
to get Adrian to come upstairs.
He's like, no, I gotta go

585
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:45.719
and come on, come on.
He pushes the door open and then you

586
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:50.079
just hear that little organ beat he
said come on, come on, and

587
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.480
it hits it again. It's just
really nice. It's not overbearing. And

588
00:41:54.440 --> 00:42:00.239
one more thing, I'll tell you
what Bill Conti knows what not to do.

589
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:04.639
If you watch that whole first first
round, there's no scoring at all.

590
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:07.519
It's just sent you know, and
there's a dramatic when he throws that

591
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:13.400
uppercut and knocks Apollo down. That's
probably the most dramatic thing, right,

592
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.360
no music, no music whatsoever.
And that is beautiful because then it comes

593
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:22.239
on after that, like it comes
on like second round. Then the music

594
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:27.199
starts as well. And it's probably
the most inspirational music any movie has ever

595
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.920
made. You know, so he
knows when to shut up and want to

596
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:36.280
really hit it hard. And let
me add one more thing. You know,

597
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.320
you know that Navy seal David Goggins, Right, yeah, guy,

598
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:44.719
yeah yeah, yeah yeah right,
So he's you know, he's a beast.

599
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:51.599
And if you ever see him wear
headphones. Then when he does does

600
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.880
his wrong runs and he does his
ultras and stuff like that, he has

601
00:42:55.159 --> 00:43:00.000
what he has on a loop is
the theme from Rocky the instrument version in

602
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.199
the mid rounds, like you know, round eight when that music with the

603
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.679
going the distance is what it's called. It's on my playlist too. You

604
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:12.519
gotta have it? Yeah yeah,
And he has that on a loop.

605
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.119
And look, I when I hear
music over and over and over and over

606
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:16.760
and over and over, I get
numb to it. Right, It just

607
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:21.280
doesn't apparently that guy can listen to
that for hundreds and hundred miles and still

608
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.320
get pumped. So it works for
people, man, Like I said,

609
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:28.280
it's the most inspirational score. It
does. It's you know, I always

610
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.679
it's like it's like two and a
half minutes of music called Going the Distance,

611
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:37.239
and I always will bury that into
my play like thirty forty minutes into

612
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.000
my playlist, so that when I
go run, I go work out,

613
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.840
and I'm I'm at that point of
like I'm tired, I'm ready to be

614
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:46.920
done. When it comes on,
it's it's kind of like a shot of

615
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:51.880
life, like you have to keep
going. Then back to underrated moments.

616
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.039
We got a couple I want to
go over first one we got to talk

617
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:58.320
about. Yeah, we've got a
we've got an amazing fight that we're gearing

618
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:02.119
up for. In the climactic moment, however, it's the argument between Adrian

619
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:07.199
and Polly where she, for the
first time kind of asserts her power,

620
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:14.000
stands up to him, has it. They have this big blowout. I

621
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:19.559
don't get married because of you.
You can't live by yourself. I put

622
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:28.239
your on you met, you owe
me. You're supposed to be good to

623
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:38.800
me. What good I feel?
Dirty clothes? I did you, Polly?

624
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:44.360
I don't know you nothing, and
you made me feel like a loader.

625
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:52.599
I you talk about how you will
watch people in the background or set

626
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:59.679
design in the background. So many
times watch that scene and just watch stallone

627
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:05.639
in the background just's he's like a
small child who is in the room as

628
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.760
his parents fight, and he knows
that he can't say anything, and he

629
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:12.039
knows he shouldn't do anything. Man, that moment that it's one of the

630
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.800
most underrated moments of the movie.
And it's one of my favorite moments of

631
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.440
the movie. Uh. And that's
saying something because you know, we don't

632
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.079
have Rocky, we don't have Apollo, and it's just a fight between a

633
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.639
brother and a sister and and you
could tell it's a long time coming.

634
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:29.039
Yeah, And it's intense in that
like he's seen it. He's seen him,

635
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.039
you know, he saw him throw
a turkey out at the door.

636
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:35.719
You know, like he's he sees
the craziness of that thing that that family.

637
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:37.559
Like if you watch I watched that
too, and I remember that because

638
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:43.840
like he finally Rocky finally stood up
and grabbed you know, Paulie and held

639
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:45.639
him down right, and he's just
like just stared at him and say one

640
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:47.920
word, which is beautiful, just
stared at him, and then he just

641
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.639
went over and you know, you
want a roommate absolutely, you know.

642
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:59.280
So that's when she decides to move
out finally, But even before that Rocky,

643
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.360
He's just he doesn't want any conflict, you know. I think he's

644
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:07.199
that guy like kind of like me
and kind of like like, I don't

645
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.800
I don't like fighting, I don't
like arguing, and I kind of avoid

646
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:15.960
it like most men, I think, and he like when they like I

647
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:17.280
said, when he threw the turkey
out the window, out the door,

648
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:21.400
he didn't yell at Paully, he
didn't do anything. It was only at

649
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:27.000
that moment they finally grabbed PAULI like, like talk about not winning confrontation.

650
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:35.039
It's my favorite sequence in the movie
is when Mick comes to his apartment and

651
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:43.320
you know, wants the demand be
Rocky's manager, and it's so beautifully set

652
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.199
that he doesn't want to. He
doesn't want to have confrontation with him,

653
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.480
really, so he goes into the
bathroom and shuts the door. And it's

654
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:51.679
only at that point does Rocky's voice
raise and does he get angry. And

655
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:53.920
it's only at the point when Mick
is out of the out of the apartment

656
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:59.320
that his voice gets really thunderous.
You know, Yeah, but it but

657
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:01.239
I mean, if he was in
the same room with him and he were

658
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:04.920
looking at each other, Rocky wouldn't
have yelled, you know what I mean.

659
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:09.000
So, yeah, there's a little
hint at his personality. You know,

660
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:15.280
it was beautiful one uh one moment
I think you actually you and I

661
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.159
were talking about this a wall back
when we were doing Assault on Precinct thirteen.

662
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.199
We're talking about Tony Burton, who
is in that movie, and we

663
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:27.000
kind of talked about how he's more
he's known as as Duke, you know,

664
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.960
Apolo's trainer. Uh. The moment
where he's watching TV. You know,

665
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:35.360
he's you know, he's they're they're
they're all about business, right,

666
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.559
they are dressed well, he's sitting
there, he's got a shirt undone,

667
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:43.559
he's just watching TV. Why was
this done? You know? I wonder

668
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:45.239
that what was he doing before that? Because everyone, you know, you

669
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:52.599
can see apollows he's a three piece. Yeah, Whereas for some reason like

670
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.760
a polish, a little choice.
I don't understand why his shirt was open,

671
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:59.920
like yeah, like Apollo is basically
conducting a business meeting in the back

672
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.840
ground and and Burton is just you
know, he's lounging, right, and

673
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.639
it is It's it's weird, like
why you know, because I don't you

674
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.320
know it doesn't make sense because like
you don't under like where are you know,

675
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:14.920
are they in a hotel room?
Are they at Apollo's house? You

676
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:16.679
just don't know, but he I
don't care where you're at. It just

677
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:21.719
seemed like an odd choice, but
but it makes it authentic. It makes

678
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.360
me like the guy and him just
watching Rocky on the news segment where he's

679
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:30.199
just obliterating the sides of beef.
You know, hey, Champ, you

680
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:34.440
better take a look at this.
This this guy means business. And you

681
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.360
know Apolo just absent mindly. Yeah, I mean business too. And I

682
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:42.719
love that moment for Apolo because he
is so focused. He's just not focused

683
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.400
on the fight. You know,
he's talking about promotions. He's talking about

684
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:50.119
you know points in Canada. Yeah, it's send the mayor of Rose.

685
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:55.079
Yeah, he's Apollo is a is
a a professional through and through. And

686
00:48:55.119 --> 00:49:00.079
it's a great moment because you realize
in that one moment, like hey,

687
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.039
Rocky might actually have a shot,
you know, he could, he could

688
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.440
beat the heavyweight champion of the world. Love that moment. Love love Tony

689
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.639
Burton. You know, obviously you
know his his role, Like if you

690
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:15.360
look at the credits, he's credited
as Apollo's trainer in this first one,

691
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:21.920
and Apollo even calls him Tony in
the movie once because he didn't have a

692
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.360
name, so you know, he
Yeah, a lot of people think that

693
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.280
stallone made a mistake. And Rocky, uh Rocky five being a Rocky Rocky

694
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:34.440
five. He's in the showers after
the Drago fight and he says, hey,

695
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:38.159
Tony, get Adrian and everyone's like, wait, who's Tony go thousand

696
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:42.119
name was Duke, and they kind
of retrofitted to like, hey, you

697
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:47.440
know his name, his nicknames Duke. His real name is Tony. But

698
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:51.719
but Carl Weathers he did that.
He did the same thing, uh in

699
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.840
the first Rocky. So I like
that about it. I love I love

700
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:57.559
little things about that in the movie
when you know they kind of make it

701
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:02.000
Cannon. Let's talk about one one
more of very underrated moment, Rocky talking

702
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:07.159
to Adrian about going the distance with
Creed the night before the fight. It

703
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:13.320
works so hard. Yeah, I
don't matter because always nobody before don't say

704
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:20.039
that, I'll come on Adrian.
It's true. Always nobody that don't matter

705
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:25.079
either, you know, because I
always thinking I really don't matter if I

706
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:30.199
lose this fight. I really don't
matter if this guy opens my head either.

707
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:35.159
It's all I want to do is
go to distance. Nobody's ever gone

708
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.719
to distance, will create And if
I can go that distance, seeing that

709
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:44.519
bell rings and I'm still standing,
I'm want to know for the first time

710
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:50.320
in my life, you see I
weren't just another from the neighborhood. It's

711
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:52.880
you know, you talk beautiful moments. This is another beautiful one because what

712
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:58.719
we've seen from Rocky Baba at this
point is that he has a confidence problem.

713
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:01.800
You know, he's been beat down
his whole life. No one's ever

714
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:08.280
been in his corner literally or figuratively, and this is his chance to just

715
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:13.800
kind of be vulnerable to Adrian.
She's kind of holding him. They're laying

716
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:17.920
there. I love this whole thing, right, yeah, right, it's

717
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:24.000
a it's a pointy moment. And
yeah, I mean I've been there where

718
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.960
I have some type of event the
next day and you can't sleep, and

719
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:32.639
I get I get that he's wandering
around, he's wide awake. Uh yeah,

720
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:37.760
it's just it's he's kind of saying
every everything everybody knew, Like,

721
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:42.519
look, I've I've done some amateur
fights, you know, I've done like,

722
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.440
you know, stick fighting, and
I've done grappling matches, and I've

723
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:50.400
done amateur MMA when it was illegal
out here in California, and I know

724
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:52.719
that the butterflies and the nerves that
keep you up and all you're all you're

725
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.800
doing is doubting yourself, like really
well for me, and I look,

726
00:51:55.920 --> 00:52:00.199
this is I am not comparing myself
to Rocky level or anything like that.

727
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:07.679
I'm pure amateur. But your fear
that's running through your head is like this,

728
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.079
dude, I could get like I
could just like get caught slipping and

729
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.559
not thinking and get my head taken
off. You know, I'm gonna get

730
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:16.599
hit, somebody's gonna punch me,
I'm gonna break my nose. And it

731
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:21.679
so it's you're you're constantly going through
your head and you just all you do

732
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:25.000
is just stick. You're like Comotos, you know. I remember my wife

733
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:30.119
was just like, you're not basically
Komatos. You know, You're just you're

734
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:31.800
just not involved socially. You know, you just want to just sit.

735
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:37.320
So I kind of felt I know
what he feels. And he did it

736
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.039
wonderfully. He was just staring straight
ahead, didn't really look at her.

737
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.679
He came and he sat on the
bed and he just stared straight ahead,

738
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.280
and he just went through all the
doubts that you you have when you're doing

739
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:49.719
you're in those situations, and yeah, it's and and you know what I

740
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.159
also noticed too, is that Adrian
like he's like, you know, I

741
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:53.519
don't want to, I don't want
to, I can't win, or I

742
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:57.079
don't want to do this. And
she didn't. She doesn't say well you

743
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:01.039
got you know, we in Rocky
or whatever she said in Rocky three or

744
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.599
whatever. It was more like,
well, what are you gonna do?

745
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:06.639
Like she was just like, what
what are you gonna do? She didn't

746
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:07.760
tell him what to do. She
kind of just threw it back at him,

747
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.280
Well then what are you gonna do? That was crazy, It was

748
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:14.199
cool advice. You know, she
wasn't this. She wasn't this. She

749
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.679
didn't have this wisdom that she would
impart on him and him and go yeah,

750
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:20.920
okay, I get it. It
wasn't anything like that, which I

751
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:22.320
think maybe one of the eighties movies
probably would have done, you know,

752
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.159
but it was just more like,
oh, I don't know what the hell?

753
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:28.480
You know, she didn't even understand
why he wanted to be a fighter

754
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:30.280
in the first place. So yeah, well their first date, she's like,

755
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:31.920
why do you want to do this? So like what, you know,

756
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:36.559
do you ask that question like four
times? You know, why do

757
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:38.320
you want to be a fighter?
Yeah? It was great. He goes,

758
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:42.920
you go to be stupid to be
a fighter. So yeah, yes,

759
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:49.320
it is a really great moment.
It's amazing too because Sly thinks it's

760
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.960
the most important scene in the movie. And we almost don't get it because

761
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:58.000
this is a point in production when
they have gone over budget. The producers

762
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.840
say, hey, we're acting this
whole thing. We don't we're not doing

763
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.280
it, and he pleads with them, says, you know, we gotta

764
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:07.320
have it. They give him one
take to nail this monologue, and he

765
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.280
does it and it makes final cut. It is a long scene too,

766
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:14.519
and it for one take because I
watched it it. He sits down and

767
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.320
then the camera slowly zooms in,
you know, it pushes in on him,

768
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:22.000
So it's a I think it's all
one take. I'm pretty sure it's

769
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:27.000
one, but I know, I
know the first part of it definitely long

770
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.800
when it comes in and sits down, So I don't know if you're touching

771
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:37.400
on the best moments. But I
think for me it's the I think I'm

772
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:39.840
also the guy that doesn't like things
talked about. I'm the guy that doesn't

773
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:43.320
mind if if you didn't see the
Witch at the end of Blair Witch,

774
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:47.400
you know, I like that it's
thrown to the intelligence of the viewer and

775
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:52.960
and you can almost ruin stuff if
you over explain it or talk or throw

776
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:58.360
in too much dialogue. And so
my favorite scene, which I guess i'd

777
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:01.960
call it underrated, is after Rocky
was yelling and he gets everything off his

778
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:06.400
chest and Mick walks out on the
street and it's that long shot on the

779
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.960
street. It's just silent, and
he just runs down and he runs on

780
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:15.039
the street and if you watch clothes, like he's running up the sidewalk mix

781
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:19.840
about to cross the street and rock
comes up behind him, and Mick turns

782
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:21.920
and he kind of backs off,
like, oh shit, he's gonna kick

783
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:25.639
my yep. He takes a couple
of steps back like I'm sorry, I'm

784
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:30.599
sorry. Like it's beautiful, but
you don't hear anything, so you just

785
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:32.519
have to your mind has to connect
the thoughts and go, wow, he

786
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:37.320
must be saying something nice thing you'll
never know, but it's just enough,

787
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:39.880
you know what I mean. And
they didn't like have this friendship then after

788
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.000
because I think the next shot,
the next scene you see Mick and rock

789
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:46.280
together, he's yelling at him about
you know, he's yelling him on about

790
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:51.519
something. So, you know what
I mean, maybe that's what I like.

791
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.599
I don't like the Schmaltz for the
sake of Schmaltz, you know what

792
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:59.199
I mean. It was just beautiful, poignant, and it didn't need to

793
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.760
say a word, and it was
just all that one long, drawn out

794
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:07.039
shot which is wonderful, and it's
a fantastic shot. Yeah, fantastic shot,

795
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:12.000
and you're right, absolutely right.
Uh. The next time we see

796
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:15.320
him, they're training and you know
he's he's like, lay off that pet

797
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:19.119
shop game, and he's like,
I like her and he let her train

798
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:24.199
you you know, yeah, that
was I think. I'll tell you you

799
00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:28.199
know, whether it's an important scene, a favorite scene, underrated scene,

800
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.840
you know, based on what you
know you're just talking about with that that

801
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.679
that moment that Mick and Rocky have
on the on the street where nothing's well,

802
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:39.480
you know, we yeah, things
are getting said, but we don't

803
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:44.079
know it. I'll tell you a
great moment for me where nothing is said

804
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:49.840
except everything is said, is in
the final fight. We're in the last

805
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:53.719
round, Rocky goes down, Apollo
is celebrating, he gets back, Rocky

806
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:59.079
gets back up and does just does
that, you know, motions him like

807
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:04.880
come on, let's let's keep going. The moment you see Apollo's face that

808
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:08.639
and he just drops his head in
disbelief that this guy is actually back up

809
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:13.320
on his feet. Yeah. I
get chills every time I see that,

810
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:15.960
dude, And I think you're right
in that. And if I had to

811
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:22.400
point one the best things that happened
in the fight, you know, it's

812
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:24.079
when Rocky breaks his ribs and all
that, But that shot right there,

813
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.119
what you're saying, that really just
embodies everything about the fight, like,

814
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:30.000
holy shit, this guy's got guts. You know, he's getting pounded the

815
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.960
crap. You know, he's getting
the crap beat out of him and Rocky

816
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:39.599
it just it says Apollo, I
don't want to anymore. He's kind of

817
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:44.039
getting nervous. This guy's really good. And it just also shows the heart

818
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:46.320
that Rocky has and that Yeah,
that's the best moment for me too.

819
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:51.079
In the fight. It definitely gives
me chills that moment right there. Absolutely

820
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.119
love it. Well, we're coming
up on the final round of this episode.

821
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:59.840
Let's head to the corner for one
last quick break. Words that Matter

822
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:05.880
Prequel, sequel, remake, and
our ratings are next. Andy, let's

823
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:08.880
talk. Let's talk about words that
matter, and I'll tell you something I

824
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:13.440
did even I didn't even write the
most famous line out of this whole movie

825
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:17.320
down in my notes, obviously talking
about Yeo Adrian, because that's that's the

826
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:22.119
most that's the most famous one.
But outside of that, you got you

827
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:27.920
got a favorite favorite line. I
remember we'll line from this okay, so

828
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:31.320
you might not. It's not it's
not anything deep, but it's not anything.

829
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:36.920
It's what what entertains me the most. And it's the back and forth

830
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:42.880
between Buddy Gozl's driver and Rocky and
I think most two guys, these two

831
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:47.440
guys go back and wait, he
says, you know what he says,

832
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:51.840
and take you to the zoo.
I think that that line kills me.

833
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.119
I say that quite a bit to
friend, you know, deal to my

834
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:58.679
friend to the zoo. Like you
know, I don't want to I don't

835
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:00.800
want to repeat if you haven't seen. Yeah, yeah, we know what

836
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:07.599
you're talking about. But I say
that I'm relax. But he's in a

837
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:09.639
bad mood. It's just prostate.
Well, it's always in a bed mood.

838
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:13.440
You alway ought to couch your blessing, but you're still a healthy person.

839
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:15.440
You know that. I don't like
yours. I don't like your kiss.

840
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:22.159
Relaxed, relax my ears? What
are you driving me crazy? Both

841
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:28.079
the ears? But he doesn't like
you. Yeah, some guys just hate

842
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:34.239
for no reason. Yeah, fifty
bucks. You and your girl Adrian,

843
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:38.039
you have a nice time. Yeah, how do you know her name?

844
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:45.199
I don't think I had things?
Yeah, remember what I thought? Would

845
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:52.400
you tell me? He goes?
But he doesn't like it. He's got

846
00:59:52.400 --> 01:00:00.480
a bad what is Uh, it's
just prostate. He's always yeah lines right

847
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:04.719
there? That that that ship right
there? Uh forget it man. So

848
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:09.119
yeah, it's nothing, you know, anything inspirational or anything, but those

849
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:14.039
those lines between those guys just something, you know, you know, get

850
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:15.719
it. It's what do you say
too, hey, meat bag? Or

851
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:21.360
something yells out the window. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, man,

852
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:25.920
I'm about those guys. They need
a sitcom or something together. Those

853
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.440
oh, I would watch that in
a second. Man. I think my

854
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:38.199
favorite line in the entire movie it's
three words, cut me mick. Okay,

855
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:45.079
see it doesn't gun open my eye, which I don't did that act?

856
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:50.400
Can that actually happen in a fight
because you're actually just like you know,

857
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.719
those are the reasons cut man.
That's why that's why fights get stopped,

858
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:55.840
is there's a cut over an eye. You know, so you know,

859
01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:59.119
I know he had to relieve the
pressure and whatnot, but now you

860
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:01.480
have a cut of leading cut over
your eye unless you got this amazing cut

861
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:06.079
man. Which who that guy was
too right? The guy? Yeah,

862
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.039
introduced that guy and he was actually
I think he was actually a cut man

863
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:15.760
for like a a guy who fought
Joe Lewis or something at something I don't

864
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:20.239
know. Yeah, that was.
That was That is a great shocking scene.

865
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.079
You know, I remember being a
kid seeing that. Oh my god,

866
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:24.199
is that what happens when your eye
bows up? You could just cut

867
01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:28.280
it? And yeah, it was, but it's it's the most it's the

868
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:31.559
easiest, you know, effect to
pull off. A guy just squeezed some

869
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:37.719
type of packet and squeezed it and
just shot, but very effective. Yeah,

870
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:39.880
I love that, love that moment
of fight. Uh Andy, how

871
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:51.360
about this one? Uh sage advice
from from Mickey Women Weekend Legs. Have

872
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.360
you had you ever had had one
of your trainers tell you that one?

873
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:59.599
No? No, you know,
when I was a kid, I used

874
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:01.519
to play ball. I was never
allowed to go swimming, and the day

875
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:05.119
of a game because he was supposed
to, you can't go swimming today.

876
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:07.239
So I mean, I remember being
a kid in Little league, and I've

877
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:15.679
never heard about the women thing,
but yeah, that's a wild one.

878
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:20.119
And you know it's funny too if
you watch, well, you know Jimmy,

879
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.400
I guess the guy who was helping
Mick when he when he said that

880
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:28.760
and when he tied his ankles together
with the two feet strength, that's a

881
01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:36.199
very narrow damn He's give him one. Two feet mate, I don't know

882
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.199
two feet, which is like if
you're a you know, a boxer,

883
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:42.440
I think you want to be a
little wider than two feet because you know,

884
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:45.519
like if you watch like Tyson or
something, you gotta really get a

885
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:52.079
good flat stance and to throw your
your a bunch of strong. But I

886
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:53.760
mean, I think two feet is
more like my tie because you're you'd be

887
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:55.800
a little lighter on your feet and
you can kind of throw your kicks a

888
01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:59.840
little. I don't know, but
yeah, that was a little odd thing.

889
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:05.239
Well, I guess it's a little
better catching a chicken. Yeah,

890
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:07.400
I think the second one maybe second
or third one? No, second one,

891
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:13.000
second one. It was a three, yeah, because I thought because

892
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.440
I thought Mick was, oh that's
right, Yeah, you're right, you're

893
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:22.039
right. Oh man, what Chicago
or something like that. Yeah, let's

894
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:27.159
talk prequel, sequel, remake.
And I did the Last Time You're with

895
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:32.320
Us. You knocked it out of
the park with with your rolling thunder movie

896
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:37.400
idea for the bridge between Assaulting Assault
AP Precinct thirteen and and Escape from New

897
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:44.960
York. So the Creed franchise is
solid, and there's even talk about another

898
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:49.679
spin off focusing on on Ivan Drago's
son Victor. Oh yeah, Andy,

899
01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:53.840
what does Rocky need at this point? A prequel, another sequel, or

900
01:03:53.840 --> 01:04:00.320
a remake. So so this is
not going to be as brilliant as right,

901
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:05.039
So don't get your hopes up.
But I think it's I like to

902
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:10.519
ignore that there were sequels to this
movie, you know too, They just

903
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:16.000
gradually got cornier and cornier. But
although the Rocky Babbo movies are I think

904
01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:19.320
those are you know, Rocky Babbo
and then the Creed movies. There's are

905
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:24.679
really good sequels. I don't know
if I'd go anywhere different than they did.

906
01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:28.480
But I mean, let's say,
if you're gonna go the corn ball

907
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:32.320
route with the sequels, you know, and then have them Rocky in space

908
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.199
or something, have them fight aliens. I don't know, you know what

909
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:40.360
I mean, He's got the Kingdom
of the Aliens and then for the safety.

910
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:44.159
So I don't know. That's That's
how corny that stuff got for me,

911
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:46.800
right, it just got so I
think a sequel is out of the

912
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.000
question. So that's why I'm going
down that route. So I think,

913
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:54.039
and every maake, Like I said, this movie's perfect. It's perfect.

914
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.000
You can't redo it. You can't. There's nothing. I was starting to

915
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:03.039
think, is there anything I would
change about this movie? There is one

916
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:06.679
thing I'd say. It's where he
invites Adrian up to his room and he

917
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:10.440
says, oh, you want to
go to soda and I got some I

918
01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:13.039
might have What do he say,
I've got some cookies or so get some

919
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:19.480
some cupcakes and some donuts cupcakes,
so no nuts. So being from Philly

920
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:24.119
and being from that area and cupcakes, it's not you wouldn't I think he

921
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:26.840
would if he would have said tasty
cakes, because tasty cakes is very big.

922
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:28.719
They're they're huge down there. I
don't I don't even think you can

923
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:32.920
get him out here. So if
you would have said, got some tasty

924
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:35.960
cakes, that would have just have
managed the perfectness of this movie. So

925
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:40.559
anyways, cupcakes, I don't know
who bakes a cupcake and has it on

926
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:43.280
hand. But anyways, that was
my only critique. So anyways, what

927
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.679
I'm saying is I wouldn't redo it, so you're stuck with prequel, and

928
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.960
then I guess there might be something
there. It doesn't excite me, but

929
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:55.239
maybe it's how he met Gazo and
how he ended up being a leg breaker,

930
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:57.199
so it'd be less you know what. Maybe I think he said he

931
01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:00.880
had sixty four some odd fights up, so there might be something there with

932
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:04.400
that, you know, him working
his way up. But I'm not interested

933
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:10.320
really in seeing it, you know, I maybe it could be done.

934
01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:15.360
Okay, So that's my answer.
I would just say prequel halfheartedly, you

935
01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:17.239
know. Okay, let me see
if I can. If I can get

936
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:23.320
you to wholeheartedly here, I'm gonna
pitch you a prequel idea. Okay,

937
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:30.800
because you're right, you cannot remake
a perfect movie and we don't need any

938
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:34.840
more sequels. But if we're going
to go with a prequel route, I'm

939
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:42.119
gonna give you this movie called Mighty
Mick. It's a story about a boxer,

940
01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:45.760
A story about a boxer who fought
for everything, including his one shot

941
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:50.880
at immortality when he knocked Ruso out
of the ring. Tom Holland starring as

942
01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:59.159
a depression era Mickey Goldmill scraping by
on undercard fights. I love it.

943
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:04.000
I love it, dude. And
think about this, Mike, did he

944
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:06.079
say yeah, Tylor Mike? And
the one guy with the nail in his

945
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:09.679
thumb you could have ye, the
guy yeah, the nail? Yeah?

946
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:14.039
And think about we even get that
great underdog. He loses, but he

947
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:16.960
wins at the end of it because
he can celebrate the fact that he went

948
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.719
the distance with Russo. He knocks
Russo out of the ring. Even though

949
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:25.840
it's it's overshadowed by the fact that
Dempsey gets knocked out of the ring in

950
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:30.880
the in the in the title fight, you know it's I don't know,

951
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:33.719
man, it's right myself. I
could see it. I could might.

952
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:40.039
I would be excited. And I'll
tell you what. Take a look.

953
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:45.480
Take a look at a at a
Burgess Meredith in his twenties, striking resemblance

954
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:49.639
to Tom Holland's Spider Man. Oh
really okay, yeah, yeah, I

955
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:54.559
saw when I saw this picture of
Burgess Meredith, I thought, the only

956
01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:59.599
guy that could do this and has
and has the fighter's body already it's Tom

957
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:02.719
Holland. Yeah. I'm surprised they
didn't do something like that. Yeah,

958
01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:06.360
they really should. It's not too
not too late. If Hollywood's out there

959
01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:10.920
listening, you know, we always
got a shot. I'll talk to my

960
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:13.199
Hollywood buddies. See we can make
Yeah, yeah, see what you can

961
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:17.399
do there, Andy, But but
we It's funny that one of my favorite

962
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:23.640
lines also in the movie is where
Mick shows Rocky that photo of him,

963
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:30.239
that photo You don't took very good
care of it, though, yeah,

964
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:32.479
which is true. It was all
crumpled up, a very good care of

965
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:35.279
it. Yeah, you know,
it's and that's a it's a it's kind

966
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:40.159
of like back to the heartbreaking stuff
in this movie. I like the idea

967
01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:44.359
that these broken, broken down fighters, they carry their press clippings, they

968
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:46.199
carry photos of their fight. Like
Rocky's got photos of his fights in his

969
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:51.880
wallet. Mix's got his press clippings. It's a it's it's it's it's heartbreaking

970
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:55.720
in a little bit of a way. I was gonna say, as far

971
01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:58.720
as pullings crap out of their pockets. And when I was a kid,

972
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:01.279
when I saw Rocky, and you
know how you walk around and he's carrying

973
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:06.720
that racquetball, that ball, and
he's just growing it and catching it.

974
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:11.079
And I've made sure I was a
kid, I put a rocket ball in

975
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:14.000
my pocket and I used to walk
down the street doing the same thing.

976
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.000
Yeah, I love it. It's
funny. Yeah, because dude, you

977
01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:20.680
gotta remember when I was a kid, ten eleven, twelve, you know

978
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:27.279
you're very influenced by this movie.
H And nowadays you know, it's it's

979
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:29.359
funny. I've met people. In
fact, a guy on our show we

980
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:31.560
just never saw a Rocky. So
it's you know, I don't know,

981
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:34.720
let's get this, Uh, let's
get this a film by a podcast.

982
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:40.239
People listen so they watch Rocky because
I mean, you're missing it. The

983
01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:45.159
absolutely yeah, anyone that hasn't seen
this, we're talking about the highest grossing

984
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:48.920
movie of nineteen seventy six. It
wins the Academy Award for Best Picture,

985
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:55.439
and it is one of the most
famous characters in all the movie history.

986
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:58.359
Andy, I know, I know
the answer that you're gonna give me.

987
01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:01.279
But out of a possible four stars, what are you given, Rocky?

988
01:10:01.560 --> 01:10:06.840
Yeah? Four four plus four whatever? Yeah, yeah, four undisputed stars

989
01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:11.279
is definitely the way to get with
this one. And I gotta say too,

990
01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:15.439
I think I heard this before,
but this movie ends on a perfect

991
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:19.600
note, whereas like it, it
builds and builds and builds to the to

992
01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:25.760
the final moment. And also another
one of my favorite lines is when Adrian

993
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:30.399
comes in the ring. You know, he's calling her name and she comes

994
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:33.359
in the ring and her well,
her hat falls off as when she running

995
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:35.479
up. Do you know it's the
first line of the first thing that Rocky

996
01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:40.880
says to her. It was your
head lost, grounded. Beautiful moment that

997
01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:44.760
that that line right there. But
anyways, I'm getting off again. I'm

998
01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:48.560
getting off track. But you know
who was your hit? And then it

999
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:50.880
ended with him in the ring.
He didn't win, right, but it

1000
01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:54.640
didn't matter because it was getting drowned
out by all the music and all the

1001
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:57.600
people cheering, and all the people
trying to interview Rocky, right, who

1002
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:01.880
gave a crap if he won,
and the fact when they hug, that's

1003
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:06.359
where you end the movie, and
that's his life should have shouldn't have gotten

1004
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:11.119
any better from that moment. That's
why I think sequels like we're kind of

1005
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:15.239
hokey, because that's his that's his
crowning moment. Rights. That's a very

1006
01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:19.319
interesting point. And I know you
know that they filmed like stuff in the

1007
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:26.479
lock you know, him walking down
the hall all and that's one images from

1008
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:29.920
which Adrian has her hat too,
which doesn't make sense, but it's it's

1009
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you didn't need that, like he
added, and he says, hey,

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this film doesn't need that. We
should end at this moment, this little

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section. So I think if you
look at the movie as a whole,

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we join Rocky's life where where we
should where he's just you know, struggling,

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and he gets the shot, and
then we end when he succeeds in

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what he's setting out to do.
The whole movie and it just that's all

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you need to know about Rocky's life. That's where it should have ended.

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Everything. They shouldn't have made a
sequel, And I was it's just the

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perfect ending to perfect movie. That's
it. You. Yeah, you mentioned

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them walking out hand in hand.
Uh. Scene gets cut from the movie,

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but it is. I'm I'm staring
at the twenty seven by forty one

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sheet that's the most like the gotta
be one of the most popular Rocky posters

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ever ever put out. And it's
just a beautiful moment. And you you

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don't need to have that moment in
the movie to know that this is this

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is one of the great Yeah,
it's it's a great sports movie. Obviously,

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it's one of the best sports movies
of all time. But I happen

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to think it's one of the best
love stories of all time. Honestly.

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You know, someone says, oh, you know you like you like love

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movie, you like love stories.
I was like, Yeah, let's let's

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talk about Rocky. Yeah. Andy, it's a it's always a pleasure talking

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with you. Uh, we got
another one of your favorites taxi driver schedule

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for November. I gotta I gotta
hope you'll be back for that one.

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Yeah, I'd love to love to
be back. Yeah, talking talking about

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Travis Bickle. Yeah, a little
different character than than our Rocky. A

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little different Yeah, absolutely, a
little bit different. Listeners, let us

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know what you think about Rocky at
www dot a film by podcast dot com,

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or on social media. Do you
have a favorite film in the franchise?

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Tell us until then, thanks for
lending your ears. Catch you on

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the flip side.