1996: Swingers

0:02 It was the mid nineties. Some of us were a year or two out of high school and some of us were a year or two into college. We didn't know who we wanted to be, but we knew where we wanted to be, the movie theater. These are the movies of nineteen ninety six. What's up, everybody. I'm Jeff Johnson from a Film by podcast. With our limited series That's so money it doesn't even know it. We've broken down the fresh films of nineteen eighty six. We've examined the gritty cinemascape of nineteen seventy six, and now it's time to check out the Hella good flicks of nineteen ninety six. Andy Frye is the author of ninety Days in the Nineties, can Roll Time Travel Story. He's our go to guy for the movies and music of the nineties, and I want you to remember this.

1:07 He's the guy behind the guy behind the guy. Andy. Welcome back, man, Hey, thanks for having me. I feel like I've heard that line. You know, I just watch Swingers again on Sunday. But I feel like I've heard that line in a couple of version of it, a couple of different movies. And it's it's I don't know. Maybe it's a if you're a Hollywood writer and you're drawing a blank and you're doing a buddy comedy, it's that's you know, you pull that line anytime you want, so, I think so, but uh, you know what, Uh cocktails first, questions later, it's time for swingers. I don't want you to be the guy in the PG thirteen movie everyone's really hoping makes it happen. I want you to be like the guy and I waited our movie. You know you're a bad man. You're a badman. You're a bad man.

1:51 So how long do I wait to call him? Two days? It's like industry standard. Well how long are you guys gonna wait to call your babies? Six days? NICKI, this is Mike again. I just called this. It sounded like your machine might have cut me off when Mike's the big winner, mikey wins Hi. Anyway, I think that was a weird or desperate or swingers Mike, don't ever call me again. Mike is a New York comedian trying to make it in LA while struggling to get over his last relationship. Mike's friend Trent, who happens to be dialed into the LA scene, tries to help him make connections and seduce women. Parties, nightlife, and impulsive trips to Vegas are just what Mike's friends think he needs. Ultimately, Mike's newfound confidence is put to the test when he meets the lovely down to earth Lorraine Eddie. We got to talk nineties culture and how it influences film. I don't know that we're going to talk about Pink Dot or Sega Genesis is a classic NHL ninety three, but I know we're going to talk about swinging music, and I think we got to start off. We gotta talk about the dating scene, right. I don't know about the dating scene though, Like I visited friends years ago who were in LA who were single at the time, and I always felt like dating was very transitory, and I don't know where the swing scenes fits into it. I mean, I did go to college. I went to Miami. You know you're from Ohio.

3:15 It was kind of more I'm not like this, but that's kind of more the Dave Matthews, Nora Jones crowd, the white white cross Claw crowd. Now yep, so uh, you know, I've only visited. I feel like it's a great town, but I don't like you, and most people watch movies. I feel like I'm probably it best to just a spectator. But I have I do have a story about the dress, and I just I can't imagine being in my twenties, you know, in La in the nineties, because the nineties didn't seem to be so on La. But it just works for this movie, you know, mm hmm. Yeah, Well you you want to you want to tell your dressing story. Now we're gonna hold onto that one. Oh well, well, when I was pitching nineties in the nineties, before I knew what I was doing, like before I hired an editor and did it, I went to a couple of a there's a there's a couple of writers conferences, like sort of the big one that's not in New York is in San Francisco, So went to that in February. Anyway, I went to there's a smaller one that's a good in Middle May in LA right up at the airport, and you know, it's got agents and it's got some like so one day thing it's like you're one and done and then you can go out and party and all that where some of these things are like three days. And uh so I met some friends afterwards. I was staying in silver Lake and made my way to meet them in Los Felis. And after we went out to a dinner where we saw you know, we talked about movies and sports and all that stuff, and Alisa Silverstone was that at the table, crossed from us. I didn't notice that. I was too busy yapping about something. Afterwards, my friends, uh, I got you a couple friends who play roller derby out there.

4:39 They're like, yeah, we gotta go to this party. So one's moving going away, So we got a bail on you. It's like eight o'clock, it's still sunny, and I'm like, well it's cool. I'm gonna go to the Dresden. I'm go go find there. I'm going to go there. And I did, went by myself. You know, probably sounded like a stupid tourist. I said to the bartender, who's that, you know, the old couple that was in Swingers. He's like, oh, yeah, Marty Lane. They're gonna be here about fifteen minutes, and oh nice. And I understand that Marty passed. I think in twenty twenty one or so. He was looking pretty old when I saw a body, mean, I got to see them. I got to see them come in. This was I think I think it was a I think it was a I don't even know if it was a Friday or Saturday, don't Knowmber what day it was, but yeah, they came in and did their thing, and I'd staying alive. And Marty had on his a disco shirt with a lot of sequins or gold or something on it, and yeah, like, look you his healthy, litt old lady. So I wasn't intending. I was just gonna kind of go like, hey, is this the right bar?

5:32 And I want to see if if it looks the same to having at least on my own inexperience like what they had. And except for the sweet babies and the getting numbers and stuff, I got to I got to experience the live entertainment. So that was pretty awesome. So I'd recommend, you know, they could probably get to close it someday. Well you know, I would get there while it's still there, because it's a pretty it's a pretty like kitchy awesome la experience, especially a few love swingers I'm ashamed of it. Uh. You know, I've been out to La dozens and dozens of times. You know, best friend Brad lives out there, and all the things we've done, all the times we've been out the bars, all the club scene, all the parties and the Hollywood Hills. I've never went to the Dressden. So but's like, what I've got to make sure, Like, dude, we've never been there. Let's go like that's it's it's yeah, you you would have to plan to go see the Griffith Observatory because you got to go up the mountain and you know, the US awesome, and you're gonna take a bunch of pictures that nobody looks out on your Instagram maybe except for your mom, and you're you're in and uh but you know, the Dreasden is a place where you maybe you take a picture with your friends, but you're probably just like you want just for the hell, but you want to have a Martinez like you're gonna go to you go to Texas, You're probably not gonna go to a rodeo the first time you're there, but if you're there like three or four times, we're like we did a good to Rodeo. Yeah, it's Riibbs like it, like, let's do something that's uh that is far apart for the course. So yeah, you'll do it. I mean, so the next time you're there, just send it from like, Hey, Dresden and we've never been there, what's up with

7:03 that? Yeah, we're going. We're going. Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau, I gotta tell you, I think their chemistry in this movie is amazing, and I know that's probably because they're best friends in real life. You know, a lot of people don't know this, Like, you know, when you think of like two young guys growing up in Hollywood trying to make it as writers, producers and and and actors, everyone immediately goes to Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. We know that story, right, But Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau they have that same story. You know. They they meet their they're working together on Rudy, they become best friends. You know, they're trying to get their movie made, and and the movie that they're trying to get made is it happens to be Swingers at that time. So what your thoughts your thoughts on on their friendship what you see on screen. Yeah, I don't know Vince Vaughan is from here. He's from chicagod. I live in the city, and I think he's from from around Buffalo Grove, which is just kind of like due northeast to here, not too far in the summers, but you know, it's a little bit of drive, pretty suburban, pretty upper middle class suburban. So I guess he bailed as soon as he got out high school er shortly after and went to LA And I feel like that is a choice that you need to make that really affects your life. You know. Subashian Maniscalco is also from here. I don't know this. You know, he waited tables and he's talked. He was talking about I can't remember who. It was, like Jack and Nicholson or somebody's at his table, and like there was a guy that's famous. Now, I mean, Subasha Maniscalco is gonna he's got I can't afford tickets. I

8:35 don't want to spend the money on the on the tickets for there's two sold out shows are almost sold out shows at the United Center where the Bulls in the Blackhawks play, and he's doing to two or three or four shows there to think that, you know, they were all kind of scrubs, like we were just trying to you know, get their hangout, their shingle and get their creative work out there. I'm fascinated with how that probably shapes a friendship. I think this obviously you've got you know, two very driven people. And the thing about you mentioned fab Breau, I mean he's kind of more in the background now, he's kind of more writing, directing, and he pops up in things, but he's you know, he's putting on a few pounds and he's Vince fun probably looks as good as he could for his age. He's about my age. You know. It's they've gotten different roles in Hollywood. Then they started hopefully they're doing what they want to do.

9:20 But like they were both you know, I was kind of wonder like, how do they pay the rent? What was you know, what's that other job that they had in order to stay in LA so they could try to hand it writing that shared experience. I think it's come up in a lot of movies. It's come up and like The Dirt but one about the Motley Crew. You know, it's a recurring story that's true, and we don't get to hear enough about it, so it seems to have to be represented in a movie for him, which is what Swingers is. So I don't know, you know, I guess neither one of them more comedians is not the exact story that they had, but clearly it he colored you know, what their what their sense was about entertainment, And I don't know. It was like I wrote ninety Days in the nineties because I wanted to write about music and the Chicago music scene in the nineties, and every time I would spend two three hours writing it was not hard. I would I was going back to the nineties and hanging out with my friends. I feel like this is the same way, because the same way for me watching this movie.

10:15 I've seen it probably fifteen times now. It's got to be the same for them, Like their friendship just probably fuels this thing and makes it almost aside from the technical aspects of shooting the movie, almost like a piece of egg for them or just something natural. I'm sure it felt natural to do this, but I love talking about Maybe it was. Maybe the scenes were harder than we thought. It just sounds well, you gotta remember they're they're kind of playing themselves. And I know we'll get into that when we talk about when we go behind the scenes a little bit. But you know, you mentioned, you know Favreau and like how they've changed over the years. If you haven't seen this movie in a while, and you see, here's Jon Favreau, here's Vince Vaughan in their their late twenties. Yeah, I mean, damn they I mean Favreau looks like he could he could be a UFC which is ironic because he, you know, after this movie, he ends up on Friends a couple of years later playing Minka's boyfriend who wants to become a UFC fighter. But then you know, you got Vince who is like we're talking peek Vince Vaughn here' he's young, he's he's ready to go and like his star's about to be on the ride. Right, kind of looks some more like a model than an actor, but he does, he definitely does. He does not look like the Vince von that we we've grown accustomed to. Right. Yeah, when you talk about this film's box office and the critics, so it grosses four and a half million on an estimated budget of two hundred thousand, and the consensus from the critics is that the film works very well. The movie is quote funny, heartfelt, and effortlessly cool.

11:46 And I love I love that line efforts effortlessly cool, because when you watch it, that's I know. When this movie came out, we were me and my buddies were in our I think we're like our mid twenties, early twenties, and this was like, this was like our playbook. Like we saw these guys. We wanted to be these guys. You know, we wanted to order certain drinks at the bars, we wanted to to hit the scene, the club scene. You know, I'm not saying it was right. I'm just saying, you know, when you're when you're that age and you're seeing these guys and they're making it look that cool, Yeah, it's awesome. But when you're you know, andy, when you're our age and you're looking back on it, the scene where they go to Vegas and they're trying they're trying to play it out like hey, you know, like John Faver's like, look, we got to look like we don't want it.

12:31 They're going to give it to us, even though we you know, he's he's like emptied his bank account. He's like, I took I took three hundred. I'm not spending that because I can't. But and you just got to laugh now, because like, as an adult, you know what Vegas is like, and these guys trying to schmooze their weight through it is. It surprises me that producers initially wanted to cut all the Vegas stuff. But I think I think it's hilarious. Yeah, I mean, and probably then and also in respect to me, that's like the least cool thing that they do. It seems kind of like, yeah, you're bored on a Tuesday night or Wednesday or whatever and you live there, what else would you do? That seems like something kind of like low hanging fruit, And you know, it's it does provide some moments for reflection in that, you know, Mike, Mike has the scene where he needs to call his girlfriend and you know, his friend's middle of getting it on with this this beautiful blonde woman, and then the women are just think, oh my god, that's so that's so sweet, that's so cute, and it just you know, it turns the scene on his head and they go back to La and talk about this in the car. But yeah, I mean so I love in Chicago. You know, we were just talking before we started recording about how cold it used to be in Chicago. You couldn't get with you know, just a bowling shirt and you know, light jacket, like back in November in Chicago. It's this place. It takes place in December ninety ninety six, like that was. That was treacherous weather. That was you know, you're gonna freeze your butt off matter what you wear. And it was also in the time of the nights where like if I went to a Lincoln Park, I'm seeing people get in cabs with no coats because they don't want to bring their coat to the bar. And a hopping that was actually I remember

14:01 that the girl's wearing U these purses that look like backpacks. But I think they mentioned in that movie very short fad. I also thought it was remarkable that none of the people in the movie I don't think had a cell phone. I didn't have a cell phone when I was twenty four. These no, I don't remember seeing a self. You know, Mike's got the the famous the cordless phone in his apartment. But as far as cell phones, like I cause I just watched it recently. I don't I think there's a single cell phone. Yeah, and that was the way it is. I mean, obviously cell phones existed, and I had maybe a handful of acquaintances who maybe a couple years old and may who had it for their job if they worked for Arthur Anderson or whatever, like it's necess hit. But you know back then, like nobody, when you're twenty two and you're eating Ramen news every night, you're not gonna go spend two hundred fifty dollars a month on the phone. No. Eventually came down, so it was like ninety bucks a phone a month, not counting the first initial fees when I got one in like ninety eight or ninety nine, so that I didn't even notice.

14:52 I didn't notice it, but I kind of did notice in the background, like I was thinking, like, it's not interruptingly seeing nobody's texting anyone. No, he's gonna has to take a call in the middle conversation. That's disruptive. But so that's quaint, but it's not. It doesn't make it doesn't feel like it's it's dated though I mean ages nicely, but I don't think it's I don't feel like it aged. And I do remember going to the bar with I had a roommate who was really into James Bond and had nice like nice cigarette holder, nice nice pens, and he knew he was had bartended, so he knew what to get, you know, when you was time to order the right drink. Yeah, we didn't go swing dancing, but we you know, the kind of the loungey bar thing was back in the nineties. It wasn't all grange. It was a little bit of retro in different ways. And this this movie kind of chose this flavor of it, especially with the music and the live performances of the bands in the movie. That still, it doesn't feel like, it doesn't feel dated.

15:48 It doesn't feel you know, kind of Catching a Bad Way just sort of works and cuts out a slice of time and sort of a microcosm of young male twenty somethings in la who were completely real and believable. M h shut you out, you know, with them over the course of a week or so. Yeah, I mean this is it doesn't feel dated to me because we have to remember in the mid nineties the forties culture was kind of making a comeback. Uh, swing music was was coming back, you know, people like Big Badvooo Daddy. I know we'll get to him in a minute here, but it was in the look. You know, you mentioned the bowling shirts and the undershirts, you know, the open bowling shirt with the under with the undershirt. I've got plenty of cringy photos of me and my buddies sitting around and we had we had that look because of a movie like Swingers. You say the name Doug Lyman, you immediately think the Jason Bourne franchise, right, the Bourne identity. I know, he just had the Roadhouse remake come out on Amazon that he did, you know, I don't know, I don't know about that one just yet, but yeah, somebody had to do it. So yeah, someone had to do it.

16:55 But Linman's here, he's he's kind of like you, he's cutting his teeth here. He wins Best New Director at the nineteen ninety seven MTV Movie Awards. And even when you think about that, like, it just makes me sad that we live in a world now where we don't have the MTV Movie Awards and if and maybe maybe we do, but I know we don't have MTV anymore and you know that too, and like it's the MTV we we had doesn't exist anymore. That it makes me sad, Well, it kind of does. I mean, it exists as MTV Classic, but they don't have you know, they should have MTV Classical or just covering the movies that are worthwhile, so they are watching TV. But uh, yeah, you're right about that. Let's uh, let's go a little bit behind the scenes here. So uh, this movie is a semi autobiographical Jon Favreau did in fact break up with the long term girlfriend when he moved to Los Angeles, and it was his friends Vince Vaughan and Ron Livingston who were the ones supporting him and trying to get him back out of the dating scene. And all these guys, they're basically playing characters based on themselves, and I think that it's one of the reasons why the chemistry is there. Like, like I mentioned earlier, he writes the screenplay in two weeks with himself and his friends in mind to play the main roles, and the title of the film is a reference to a coffee shop called the Swingers Diner on Beverly Boulevard where Favreau and Livingston used to hang out. So just trying to figure out how they're going to break into the break into the business. We mentioned Mike's apartment.

18:26 That that shitty little apartment. That's that's that is absolutely a twenty something single guy because there's nothing in it, you know, But uh, that's that's Favreau's actual apartment. While they're filming this movie, he just shot in his real apartment, and oddly enough, his downstairs neighbor was actor Adam Scott m So I thought that was kind of cool. Another fun, fun thing I found out, Uh, you know, there's that great moment where they're in the bar and the Jaws theme is playing, because Mike's kind of like he's on the prow. He's he's going after one of the beautiful babies to you know, get a number. So when they asked Steven Spielberg for permission to use the theme, he took a look at him before giving him approval, and when he saw footage of Vince Vaughn, he immediately hired him for the Lost World Jurassic Park. So, I mean, this is this is definitely you can tell, you can say it's this is the Vince vaughn breakout role because after after Jurassic Park he kind of become he is Vince Vaughn at that point. Right when we talked about the the soundtrack here, you know, we we kind of mentioned, like, you know, the swing music was kind of like in vogue again the forties culture. I want to hear your thoughts on Big Badvoodoo Daddy. Well, you know there they are a handful of uh your kind of swing type acts that came up around that from ninety six to like ninety nine. It kind of kept going for a little while.

19:49 I actually saw a Big Vato Daddy probably five six years ago here in Chicago plat out the Old Town School Folk Music, which is kind of a small venue, and they actually started they talk about swingers. But they they talked about like our first album came out like literally the month I think they said, or maybe even like a couple of weeks before never Mind Drops, and so we knew, you know, in the early nineties. It's again, I think we talked about this last time, like we kind of make it like it's this the switch that was flicked that Nirvana's came Nirvana's album came out and then musically changed. That was partially true, but you know, before that, you know, the Cure and the Pixis and different types of music works. It would sound like we really went from hair metal to grunge and that was it. And there are different variants. There's the retro was the idea of retro and old stuff coming back was kind of new throughout the nineties, but really new, and I think the Beast Boys really kicked it off with their second album, The One That Bombed, which here on eighty nine, but you know, it was still kind of circulating in the nineties and then they you know, they came back with they came back in ninety three with Check Your Head and they're wearing like, you know, clothes.

20:53 It looked like we're from the bottom of their closet. So yeah, the whole like swing thing just kind of crept up on us. I think you got to give some credit to Brian Setzer. I liked the Stray Cats in the nearly eighties. I mean kind of like there was a couple of bands like def Leppard and Quiet Riot and sort of the one that was on the radio that wasn't hard rock that was famous in like eighty three when I was, you know, hit fifth grade or sixth grade. We first started listening to music was the Stray Cats, and then they kind of went away, and then Brian Such a Cup that was Zona Orchestra. I think maybe tipped off by the Big by a Big, Bad Bad Food Daddy and the Cherry Pop and Daddy's doing their thing and kind of you know, maybe it was just there was a live scene in La that brought it out. But you know, I think people all over the country connected with it because they thought this was just you know, now we're in the nighties. We can listen to whatever we want. There's not really like a clat with you gotta be a Genesis fan. You got to be a metal fan. Like people can leave to listen to whatever they want and everything between and there was just good music. So it was obviously, I think, probably the best choice for this movie. And you know, these guys weren't money enough at the time to hire Brian Setzer. They had to go with kind of the new act they were, well, they picked a good one and in the scene towards the end where he meets Lorraine and Mike dances with Lorraine, I think it just fills it out and you're watching the scene is there's a continuous scene that's like seven minutes between the music and them dancing, where you don't get lost or you're not like looking at your watch. They're going to get this is a long scene, what's going on? It's it just works so great choice

22:26 and it just fit, you know it. It was probably a effortless choice in their part. They probably thought, we're gonna go to the dressden, we're gonna see Martin Lane, We're gonna do these kitchy things we do anyway, we're gonna talk over breakfast and coffee and complain about our girlfriends stumping us. That all made it authentic. But then probably just because of the music that they were going out to see live, I'm assuming, versus trying to book a big act to strengthen that. I think. I think it's just strength, just strengthened it all. Let's say we get a little money behind this movie. How does it change if you hire someone like Brian Setser and you don't look at someone like Big Bad Voodoo Daddy who you know, correct me if I'm wrong. They kind of you know, I don't think they were that known I mean, I didn't know who they were until I saw this movie, and then I immediately ran out to get the soundtrack. You know, I had to. I had to have the CD because I love the music. So is that, you know, does a movie change drastically with someone like Brian sets are involved or are we going to say so, because I think most people don't know the difference most people, you know, if you were doing like you know, I think about the movie Vision Quest where Madonna is like the singer in the bar and she's she was a start end, but she's still pretty new. Yeah, you know, Madonna or Lady Gaga is jumping into a buddy comedy about now. It's like they're playing themselves or they're playing just a caricature there themselves. It's you know, like the Meryl Steep and the Devilware's product could be any you know, kind of a whole you know, fashion magazine legendary, just jerk of an editor.

23:57 But you know it is not playing them by name. You know, in the Zoolander, Mugatu could be any douchebag, you know, designer that would we make fun of, whether it's Galliano or Calvin Klein or somebody whoever's got the biggest hair and the most ridiculous outfit on Yeah, I don't think it changes much because the narrative of the movie and the relationships that we see on screen are so strong that you would really have to have like a drunk Sean Penn come in and do a big scene to mess this thing up and to take them off track, you know, Or you'd have to have Jules and Vincent show up from fiction and hold up the place where they're you know, drinking coffee and being dumped for anything to change this Because I feel like it's such a strong narrative and just the way they unpack it is is perfect.

24:45 It couldn't have been done better and better I don't think, But would you agree maybe maybe someone like big Ba Voodo Daddy gives the film a little more authenticity over someone like a big name like a you know, you bring the straight cats in all of a sudden, it's like all the stray cats. Yeah, I think Setzer or any of them could be because they're not it would you know? It would be We talked about Biodome last time, and we got a first clipse of Jack Black, or we didn't know who the hell he was, which I can't get tickets to him because every time they they're here, they sell they sell it in two minutes. It would have felt forced if they either want either movie had somebody who was really big, you know, in the day, and I'm not talking about it would probably work with the legend, like if Bowie was on screen as Bowie and or some famous rock star in them, you know, but someone who is big at the time, like Eddie Vedder drops in the film, you know, I just it would take away from it. So I think it's just it's kind of like the guys from Pearl Jam being in singles as a band that's you know, Cliff Cliff's band, Yeah, trying to make it or whatever.

25:48 What's the name of their band. It's a Citizen Dick Hick Yeah or that so yeah Big. That Do Buda Daddy was probably the right pasting size for this. But I think any really good swing act could have worked. I mean, it's the right kind of music because it did sort of add some levity in between some of the serious scenes about you know, am I ever gonna be able to date again? I'm ever gonna get over this girl? Am I ever gonna get over the fact that I'm you know, I'm a broke, struggling comic or actor just like everybody else in this town. You need a little levity and a little bit of enjoyment, and the music fills in the gap there. Let's talk about two people that are definitely a great fit for this film, two of our supporting players here. Let's start with Ron Livingston. This is we're three years before he gets his breakout with Office Space, right, and you know, I know, I always I always think of when I think Ron Livingston, I always think of a Band of Brothers where he plays Lewis Nixon MM, which is not, you know, obviously not a comedic role. But but Livingston is just I think exactly, I think he's excellent in this in this film, yeah, because he plays a straight man, but not a straight man who's kind of a ring stiff, serious straight man. He's he's got some you know, he takes doesn't take himself that seriously, whether it's there when they're playing golf, from when he's uh, you know, talking about I just sort of his not getting getting a goofy job. Whereas obviously Vin Spawn playing Trent is like he's

27:18 like the archetypical l A douchebags he needs to make a scene. Sue is kind of the guy from like I said before, from Anaheim, who really wants, really really wants you to think that. He's the guy who understands and lives and breathes l A every moment from his spe jersey to his gun which probably hopefully doesn't have any bullets in it, to uh whatever. So it's it's important, I think, to have I think everybody's grounded in the film, and it feels very authentic and have kind of for those of us who don't go swing dancing and don't have a gold watch and out in La. You know, he's the one that we associate with the kind of the regular guy, the regular person we can have the most easy conversation with. And it you know, I think him playing that role as being a straight man, but also as Mike's best friend and one who listens to him, which happens a couple times in the movie. That yeah, just shows he's got a depth that I think pops up in every movie he does. We can kind of joke about that. Matt Taman plays Matt Daman in every film, and Brad Pitt plays Brad Pitt, and Vin Swan kind of plays a version of Vin Swan and every film. Ron Livson just kind of plays both in every day person and also someone who's surprisingly and insightful, even for the tiny roles that he has. So yeah, I thought he was. How much of that? How much of that do you think is Ron Livingston like what you know, like Ron Livison in real life? What would you say?

28:33 I think that's probably what he calls him because I understand he's from Iowa. I mean, there's nothing really glamorous about Iowa, so he probably carries that with him in the same way that I don't know, Pete Davidson carries the fact he's from New York around all the time, and he kind of, you know, grew up on the periphery of stardom. Now he's a star. I think it's probably pretty authentic, and you know, it's I don't know, it just seems to work for m It seems like he's been it seems like you mentioned Office Pieces a breakout, it's a breakout now that it's cold classic. When South at south By Southwest two weeks ago, almost I didn't even know it was going on until after it happened, but they had a twenty fifth anniversary sort of panel that was so where he I think it was him and my Judge of course, and uh yeah, you know sidekick sameir and Michael Bolton was guy Michael Michael Yeah, I can't remember.

29:29 And the fifth person I think was Stephen Root who played you know, Milton. Yeah, I think if I remember, right, so Milton. But I mean, now that's like that's a comedy classic now, but it was. It bombed when it came out so much so that supposedly might Judge kind of serendimously apologized to people in the film like, I'm sorry, I hope I didn't ruin your career by this. I thought it was going to be bigger and you know, it all work out. So that was his breakout role, but it was a good one. It was one of a collection of kind of small, endearing and important roles that Ron Livingston had that just kind of built up his repertoire of someone that we want to see do more stuff. He's not. He's not getting weeded out of Hollywood the way that you know a lot of actors have. I think he's got a bright future.

30:11 And it's because he seems. He seems pretty authentic to me. I mean, I don't know the guy, but you know, no, but yeah, but I now you don't know him, but I know I saw on your Instagram recently there's a photo of you guys together, Like, so you did meet him, at least I would say I did meet him. So I was there, you know, I read about sports primarily long story shore. I was there. C four Energy had a panel with Sportico, and they grabbed a couple of athletes that they work with who talk about NIL. I'm not gonna boy like you and I can talk offline by NIL and sports all damn sure. I was fascinated. They had to say, like, tell by south West, really it's not just a bunch of people bs and around on states like they talk about substantial stuff, even if it's entertainment anyway. So that ends, I go upstairs. I'm supposed to interview this running back John Robinson who plays for Atlanta now, and you know, I'm kind of told like just just hanging on a second, just you know, it'll be we'll get you in there. And I walk up the stairs and sitting in a chair, just kind of you know, like an everyday person is Ron Livingston. And I was walking with some guys like I think that's Ron Livingston the actor, and he's like, oh, who's that? You know, you know office Space And the guy I was with, I'll just say you'd probably get what he's like by the first thing he said is, oh, my god, he's the guy who broke up with That's Burger.

31:27 He broke up with Carry Bradshaw and post it note. Oh I hated that character. Wow. Wow. The dr people were women, and they talked about that I talked about but he was there to talk about office space and I just kind of get up the stairs and I was like, hey, are you Ron Livingston. It's like yeah, and I'm like, I'm Mandy Freimer writer. I love the movie Swingers. You know, I'm a fan of your work. He's like, oh, oh, yeah, it's great, good to meet you. And I said, I assume you're here doing a panel. I don't want to bug you. I got a picture with you. So I get bragged to my friend. He's like oh yeah, yeah, sure, and well he talks to me and the other guy, Chris, for a few minutes just about what he's done while he's in town. Like he doesn't say, well, I just did a panel. You know, you should have know, like I'm doing this movie. He's just like, yeah, you know, I haven't had a taco since I've been here. But you know, I'm hoping. You know, nobody gets to rid it is Texas. I love this town. You know. So it was just like a regular person. His hair looked great, looks like you've been working out. I want to say, he's I'm fifty, gonna be fifty two next month. I think he's a couple of years older than me.

32:23 He's probably like fifty five fifty six, but you know, so he hits the treadmill every day and yeah, community like yeah, like what you see in the movies. He just kind of like it's down to earth, kind of humble guy who's you know, says hi to you, says hello. Do you just like any anybody like, you know, anybody recognize off to feel like, oh we met at this thing, like I know your work from Yeah, he's you know, so you hung out for a few minutes and you know, then then the PR people are costing him for breaking up with Kerry Bradshaw and I'll post it and that before now you you both look good. I know we posted that to our our social media accounts. Uh, I'll tell you. Let's talk about someone else who always looks good.

33:05 Talk about Heather Graham. Now, Andy, I don't know about you, but I felt hard for Heather Graham in nineteen eighty eight when she showed up in Licensed to Drive playing the dreamgirl Mercedes with the corries. You didn't see Licenses Drive. I don't remember it. I was more kind of I liked Amanda Peterson, who is in the movie Can't Buy Me Love, which is kind of a terrible movie, and the people in the movie are terrible. You know, I think I think she died a couple years ago. I think from a drug over. So you know, of first of her, the one I pick. I suppose in Pan as well, she's happens a great of a career. But yeah, I don't remember. Here's the thing about Hollywood, and like I'm seeing movies now that I saw thirty years ago. I'm like, my god, like I didn't know this now famous actor was in the movie, like give you example I was watching was an hotel and there's nothing on the English Patient was on and I just put it on. It was like, oh, Colin Firth is in this. I saw the whole movie twice. I don't remember him, and because I didn't know who he was at the time, it was just Christian Scott Thomas and Ray Fines and there's a couple other people you sort of and Julie Julian Panosche.

34:08 Of course that was kind of a breakout movie. But like that happens all the time now where I'm watching something like oh wow that yeah, yeah, I didn't remember that. I remember the character, but I remember that that person played this. So I think of Heather Grant in terms of course the Hangover movies and she's what else, Well, you gotta you gotta think like this is this is nineteen ninety six. We are one year away from her exploding on the screen and Boogie Knights. You know where she where. She's roller Girl, right m hm, very small role for her and Swingers. You know, she's kind of she kind of comes in at the end. She's you know, she's Lorraine. She's gonna be the basically, she's the inspiration. She's the one that kind of gets Mike past his his feelings, you know, over his ex and you know his ability to move forward, but still love seeing her in this Apparently she is was or you know, during the time, she was a swing dancer already and she's teaching Favreau how to do it. You know, they're rehearsing for a couple weeks just so they can get the dancing rite. Mm hm, I mean people in la are multi talented. I mean the first missil whiplash and thinking like my son is like, no, that's that's Miles Terror. My Miles Teller's playing about ninety five percent of the drum scenes in here. I'm like, wow, okay, well I'm I can read and walk at the same time.

35:29 That makes me feel about this big. But yeah, I think she's kind of She does sort of play a lot of roles where she's sort of the the nice, pretty blonde sweetheart, the one that's not me's not going to embarrass you, And I think that comes alive in this movie. You know, I think she's basically that in the Austin Powers film, I think the third one, where she's like of all the women he's Austin Powers filanders with or breaks up with, like she's the one who actually likes and yeah, the point that people like is he really gonna set down with somebody that's not gonna happen. But yeah, I think she was came at the right time. At the end of the movie, it's kind of you know, the clouds partying saying it's it's gonna be okay, okay. So you brought with your girlfriend. You met this woman Nikki at the bar, and you called her six times in five minutes in the middle of the night, and she said, never call me. Great great scene. You know, like they say that things happen in threes, comedy routines happened in threes, and jokes happen in threes. So the third woman that he actually like takes an interest in is the one that says, you know, I'm just like you.

36:28 I'm having the same problems, and that creates an authenticity that happens immediately when they start talking and they're just being real with each other, like they're both in alli they're both trying to be bigger than they are. Eventually, but for a couple of moments that you just see two people talking together, talking together, and you know, foreigner bond off that, so she was probably perfect for that, you know, striking in some ways, but also kind of you can believe that she's somebod who just moved from Wisconsin in this film. Absolutely, well, she's not out of his league. I mean, she's definitely a ten, but she doesn't feel like she's out of his league. Like she seemed approachable at the bar. I thought, we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back, Andy Fry will be keeping it real. We're back and it is time to keep it real. Andy.

37:22 We discussed these questions when we covered Biodome. We're going to cover him again and again as long as we're doing nineteen ninety six. But let's start off with the first question. One of our favorite actors, Billy Zopka, was dominating Dojo's high school cafeterias and college swimming pools in some of the best movies in the nineteen eighties. Then he's notably absent from Hollywood for most of the nineties. So the question is what about zob Andy replaced one actor from this film with William Zopka. Well, I mean it seems like the natural, uh, the natural thing is is to replace Sue with him. But I you know, Patrick granh Horne is the name and the name of the actor.

38:07 I don't know what a lot of what else he's been in, but I kind of want a scene where where is you know, they stop at like Sue's dad's house because he's got to pick up you know, his dad's got carton cigarettes, and Sue gets in his dad into with his dad is Billy's app He's like, all right, I'm just taking a couple of cigarettes. Get up, you know, arguing, just like Vince Swaan and Patrick Van Hard Do you know where they're they're arguing about posit, pose it? You know, Yeah, he's dude, think Billy's Appka would work perfect for his dad or you know, I don't know, maybe or a neighbor who comes in and tells him to turn it down and stop fighting. I don't know if he I feel like none of these guys should be replaced. I mean, the only person with blonde hair was a Heather Graham playing the Lorraine, So I don't think that would work twenty four now, maybe that's that would be, you know, choice we would make for the remake the Redo, But yeah, I don't know, I don't I think that there's a place for Bill Zabka in anything if you place it right, you know, kind of like with the last movie, I wanted to like show up and add to the scene, not replace somebody that's just my gay. Well I'm kind of with you though. Listen, the chemistry between this group is is incredible, and I'm talking about all five of them. I always looked at him like they kind of give off like a nineties rat pack kind of vibe.

39:30 I'm sure that was a little bit on purpose. But if I was gonna put williams Zapka in this movie, I think you're right, it would have to be the role of Sue. I would believe him in that role. And because I wouldn't want to take away from Favre or Vince Vaughan, but I could see him doing the Sue role. But yeah, or maybe when they get in the fight with the guys who are all tatted up, you know, oh, like the leader of the tatted up gang. Yeah, and I mean it could This is very la but you know, instead of getting a fight with a bunch of you know, guys who look like House of Pain, instead you get in a fight with some preppy guys from Loyal Oila Mary Mountain who were going to the bar, and they're all wearing you know what Billy's app could would wear in the eighties movies, A collar up beach you know, izod or Lacoste shirt. You know what I now, you got me on a you got me on a different tangent. Now now I'm saying, like, uh, the the hip hop group, you know, the House of Pain guys is what Vince Phonk calls them. Take all of them out and uh, let's just maybe there's some guys from the Valley, you know, and it's and it's it's Johnny, and it's Duke, and it's it's Billy, It's it's it's the Cobra Kai Dojo. Just uh they have a running with I'd be okay with that too, man.

40:43 Yeah, you got Patrick van Horne and his I guess in that scene he wasn't he wasn't wearing his uh his gress key jersey. I think he was dressed up a little bit more. Yeah, I remember, right, But yeah, you can totally seem like guys with Khaki's with the you know, the ankles rolled up wearing dockside no socks uh some soshas. Yeah, definitely BMW and getting in the mess like the other guys did. That would work. That work all right, Andy sequel prequel remake. If you controlled this ip, what would be your pitch to the studio to revive it? You know this one? I could go either way. The thing about remakes is, you know, I want a lot of them to a lot of my favorite movies to be done. But then there's always the flip side, are they going to ruin it? So I thought, like Ocean's Eight when you had Sandra Bullock and different characters playing, you know, a different version of the same guys in the franchise, I thought that worked. Well. We've got like Sarah Paulson is a retired mom Connecticut, but she's really a fence like that basically says that these people never change and they're always going to be for a job. But then I remember the Ghostbusters that was Don Melissa McCarthy, you know, my wife, and she said, you know, I just felt like it was all about you know, the main character just is torn up about a voy she likes. I want Dason Confused to be made and take place in the nineties, but again, I'm afraid that somebody's gonna really bang it up, but they're gonna give us a matcha director who doesn't appreciate what it's about. And it's the same with this. So I feel like maybe the safest thing, despite the last Bill and Ted movie that came

42:15 out, would be a sequel. You know, sequel they're all well up now. Maybe it's a little more serious. Maybe we see what problems they have or who's passed on. I think that Cobra Kai, speaking of Billy's Apka, did that really well when you saw Tommy, you know, had cancer, and I think I remember it. Johnny was now like a pastor who doesn't have time for for h for Johnny's or for Johnny's bs. I'm getting the names mixed up here. Ye dutches in jail we hear, you know, he got himself incarcerated and Daniel Russo is still in the mix and he's like, you know, it reminds you of how much of a whiny pain in the butt he was in the first movies, and absolutely Tagus I didn't really like him. I was reminded of that. So that's the power of I think a sequel that's done right. We think about leath a weapon, was not they used to say about leath the weapon, Leath the Weapon three and four. It's not a sequel to series. And one of my favorite kind of small series is the two movies based on Elmore Leonard books, Get Shorty and Be Cool. Like they're different, different things are happening in different stages in their lives with the characters. Most of the characters are the same and some are new and changed up and it works. So I would like to see this made as a sequel done right. And I think in that situation, you're not selling it. You're not selling or licensing intellectual property.

43:37 It's gonna be done by you know, it's gonna be done by Favreau and and V and the same people, and they're gonna have more control over it. I doubt that they're going to bungle that. So yeah, definitely Swingers Swingers to the sequel or some of the different names. It's gonna be chain spotting though the second transport. You are reading my mind, I'm pitch some here's my pitch for you, right, Uh, Favreau wrights and directs Swingers, still swinging, and this time you even mentioned, you're like, hey, maybe it's a little more grown up. So the sequel is going to focus on Rob this time, Ron Livingston, who's getting back out there on the dating scene after a painful divorce, and his wingman, or shall I say wing woman, would be Heather Graham who's playing Mike's widow. And of course we're gonna get a cameo from Jon Favreau from like before he passed away. Yeah, I'm going, I'm going still swinging. What do you think of that? Sounds good to me? I mean, yeah, that's uh, you should be a screenwriter. I didn't even think about the direction of the story. I'm thinking, let's put it in the right hands first and then it'll probably most definitely be good. But then you got to you gotta come with a plot. So I think Ron Lives is probably the perfect person to do this. Now. I think maybe, uh, I'm not saying Vince Vaughan is too big to be in this, but maybe if he's got a roll, Like he's some hotshot real estate guy who's got three kids and despite still being a goofball, he's got responsibility. He's really trying to

45:09 stick to that. Okay, Yeah, his wife is just, you know, great, but where's the pants and tells him how it is. That would be a great comedy, a sort of consequence of him being who he was in the first movie, Trent. Trent's now a dad and you know responsible, maybe even goes to church. No, but yeah, all right, Well, one last question DVD extras. So let's talk about DVD extras. Nineteen ninety six was in fact when the DVD format is initially introduced to US markets. You know, that compact disc you know, pleased us. It was high definition, it wowed us, had us tossing on our VHS tapes. But for cinophiles, you know, the exclusive special features, we didn't have that, you know. And I've got I've got the original Swingers DVD and I'll tell you right now you get your special features are Spanish subtitles in chapter search and theatrical trailer. So very boring. I'm gonna ask you, Andy, if you could have any DVD extra, whether it's an audio commentary, deleted scenes, a making up documentary, what would you want?

46:22 What would you want to see for Swingers? Well, I'm going to go back in the same direction I did last one. We talked with you know the I think it was the the Third Hangover where they interview mister Chow who's a real person, and Ken you know, Ken Jong is this is fake character. He he made up to appease the studios and to keep people at these and about an international gangster who's a real person in a film. Uh So, I don't know. I see some some some off the wall extras like Nicki, the one that you know, the girl that he met at the bar I said never never call me again, decides to stock him, and you know, it's kind of like a mini trailer for a horror movie. Nicky from the bar comes after Mike just because of those phone calls, and she won't stop until he's he never makes another phone call again. Uh something kind of you know, can't be like that? Or I want to see how Sue talks to girls on the phone once he finally calls him after six days. You know, he's Night's impolite. Is he as nervous as Mike is? Is he? I imagine he's probably just just as much of a deckhead. He's probably gets some argument with half the women that he dates over stupid stuff. And yeah, i'd be interested to see where he is in your sequel that you pitched. But yeah, that was He's one of those characters. That's kind of we all have these characters in films that we don't know enough about them. We're kind of fascinated with one one of mine.

47:44 And I'm not a David Lyne super fan, but you know the cowboy in Mulholland Drive who's just giving a guy to about what he's got to do, Like, who the hell is that guy? I want to do? I want to follow him around? Or am I gonna end up in his trunk? Like that's what characters or you know, there's all kinds of elusive characters X in JFK, you know, played by Donald Sutherland. I think the DVD extras, so long as the directors are motivated, every one with it is a playground for stuff like that, for just creative you know, or outtakes. The last thing I'll say with that going on too long, I'm a huge fan of the movie High Fidelity. I've read the book. I didn't know this so a couple of years ago. Excuse me that that one of the best scenes from the book, which they also did in the Hulu series is a where Rob gets a call about this record collection come check out and ends up being like singles collection he's ever he's ever seen in his life. Yep. And so in the in the I don't know why the hell they cut this scene because it was great. Rob gets his call.

48:44 You actually see the call in the movie where he's yeah, I'm interested and nothing happens. But in the movie that the scene that they cut from the movie. Sorry, uh, the scene they cut from the movie was a couple of doors open. I recognize this area is Lincoln Park where DePaul University is, big buildings, IVY. I can just tell where it is already. Beverly did Angelo opens the doors, doesn't say anything and says, there it is, and there's this big set of records on the on the floor, and he's like, what's going on here? And she's like, well, my my husband's in the Bahamas with my my daughter's best friend, and I don't want to come back. So he asked me to sell his record collection and I won't take more than twenty bucks for this. And there's you know, there's an original h I don't know. I think that there's original singles from like Sam Cook and I ll just read it. Yeah it's Treasure Trove, right, Yeah, so the move the scene ends up becoming their haggling. But he won't he won't pay anything less than fifteen hundred dollars if she want to accept anything more than it's backwards taggle. But I suspect that if I bought the DVD this, I would hope that would be on there, because I mean, I've seen that on YouTube. I'm assuming it came from, you know, the outtakes of the studio released. But like that kind of stuff, there's got to be some great scenes and swingers that didn't even make the cut just because of time, that are interesting conversations or maybe a fight or a shooting or who knows. I know they're out there.

50:07 The easy layup is to include one or two of them, probably three. Ideally love this DVD and let people like you and he who love this movie finally see what else went on. Well, I'll tell you this would have been one where I would definitely demand to hear an audio commentary from the writer and co producer Jon Favreau. But it turns out that that exists for us now. So if you go you know, I know, I know it's a DVD question, but I found out today actually before we started talking, the Blu Ray actually has not one, but two audio commentaries. You get a Doug Lyman director audio commentary and then you get a Vince Vaughan Jon Favreau audio commentary. So I'll tell you right now, as much as I love the Classic DVD, I'll be giving that to someone because I gotta get these.

50:57 I gotta get the Blue Ray just so I can get these commentaries. Now, they need reasons, you know, there's a reason that people will buy another you know, if you have if you're a Knicks fan, you're gonna buy the next next jersey that comes out for the next big player. People are gonna I'm sure there's I'm not one of these people, but there's people who have DVDs and Blu Rays who now stream everything. They they had to come up with a reason for people to buy buy Blu Rays, and that, you know, for the people who just need one more reason, that was it, you know, the extra you know why not? So Yeah, Anyway, we talked about the film's legacy. Uh is this a classic, a cult classic, or just a product of its time, I feel like it's a classic, but I mean it would be I guess the parameters for a cult classic. It is like off of Space, it has to bomb the box office. We're just kind of go out and nobody notices it, and then it hangs around for you know. Now it's like Days Confused is like that. You know, nobody in that film was fame.

51:52 I mean the most famous person was Milidjovivich because she was a model. Now there's you know what three or four winners as actors who were in the film, as Al gre Wegger's in it for a split second and it took me like the fifteenth time to see her. But I don't think it's that. I feel like Swingers was. It's kind of like your classic Mirmax film. Like mir Max was relatively new at the time. They at least in ninety ninety six through ninety eight, they weren't trying to pull down Tom Cruise and who you know, whoever was Nick Nicholas Cage. At the same time, they didn't know that these guys, you know, like the second coming of Don Tribolta and Samuel L. Jackson, these guys were going to be as big or bigger than those those actors are. So it's kind of the little story of mir Max as this. Maybe it was well funded, but it was an independence tovie though, just took a lot of chances just doing what it wanted to do, kind of like HBO did when they first started doing movies on TV and they still do now. I think it's a classic, and it's it's a product of his time, but it's also a classic because of where it came from, sort of like you know, all the James Bond films are MGM. There's not a lot of stuff that MGM does well anymore. I know they got up by Amazon, but even for the last thirty five years, twenty five years at least, there's not a lot of stuff that MGM did exceptionally well besides James Wine films and Mirrorbax. You know, it did branch out, but like the original set was these indie movies in LA in different places, and I feel like Twingers is as much of that part of that as pul Fishon was. So it's important, you know.

53:25 I think it's a classic because of that and its history and its background and what else the other guys did as subsequent to that. Well, when we talk about how this film impacted pop culture, we mentioned Vince Vaughan, This is a breakout for him. Without swingers, you don't get old school dodgeball, the wedding crashers. The film's dialogue, I think influenced how guys talked to one another. You know, Vegas baby became. You couldn't talk about taking a vacation to Vegas or a trip to Vegas about someone shouting Vegas baby. Even the term money, you know, like you're so money, like that just became. That was in the pop culture lexicon, you know, if you had to build somebody up, even you know, like we talked about they kind of mentioned like you're gonna be my wingman. This was a time where, like, you know, the wingman in a bar.

54:13 It was, it was happening, but we didn't have a term for it. It's funny. My wife actually asked me in a movie, She's like, is this where the term wingman came from? And I was like, I don't know. I mean maybe, but I feel like the first time I heard wingman duplicated and you know, memed or whatever was I feel like there's a bud light or bud Wise commercial where there was like a wingman. It was like, this is the wingman they introduced him. Wow, I remember how very completely original. I mean originally Wingman was like you know Maverick and Goose or Maverick Ice Man, and it was a different meaning. I was sort of taken that paradigm of yeah, literally being someone's wingman flying a mission to the mission of you know, this guy wants to meet this girl. You're gonna be the ad lib the color guy that you know, not play by play, but you know the wingman that that grew out of a couple of different instances, and yeah, this is the ultimate Wingman movie.

55:07 So it added that to our lexicon. If not originally, it strengthened it. And I think it was just kind of an emphysis. There was something that was there that in Buddy Comedies, it wasn't it's going to be Martin Martin and Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis, where like one guy's handsome and the other guy's a stupid idiot that doesn't anymore, but at the same time, you need to have some sort of contrast between the roles and someone who's a little serious listeners a little lighthearted. So yeah, it helped shape the culture, even if it didn't originally come up with the concept. I think it's important that it still validates that today and having watched it again this weekend, it seems timeless and that's one of the many things that does right well. As we wrap up, Andy, I want to thank you for being my wingman today on this episode What's What's What's going on? You got you got an book signings coming up? Their appearances. Yeah, I mostly have done it around the Chicago area. I've done because nineties and the nineties was so music related. I did there's a couple of concert venues that had like outdoor markets, and there's one where I sold like fifty books in a weekend, which is pretty cool. It's great when you got like rock and roll people who love music, who are like, oh, this is about music, the music scene. I want it, you know sold. I've been working a couple ideas. Let's just say, may have a spin off from nineties and the nineties that takes place in Chicago. I'm thinking about a story in which a woman who's an FBI agent or a cop, you know, she's investigating the death of this local rock star that nobody nobody's really interested in, and she eventually finds it. Nobody will talk to her because she's a cop,

56:40 So she gets her band back together and goes undercover, you know, start writing it today. Please, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta have that one, Andy. Where where can the listeners find you online? Like, you know, they want to get a copy of ninety Days in the nineties or they want to just check out, you know, picture of you hanging out with Ron Livingston, Like where where do where do they find you? Yeah, sportyfried dot com or sorry, yeah, sporty fried dot com is actually my would We'll take you to some of my I've written sports writing work, but the Sporty friy is my handle for Twitter and Instagram, which is public. So uh yeah, I've gotten to be I get you know, my my little side hustled interviewing athletes and different things has gotten me to meet not just some cool athletes, but some yeah, just interesting people.

57:25 Like I got to do a golf thing a couple of months ago in Florida where there are celebrities that play with pro golfers, and I got to meet Larry of the Cable Guy again and you know some different people. Uh so that's yeah, that's a sporty Fried on Instagram. Other than that, you know, the book is on Amazon obviously, as everything is today, but yeah, check out your local independent bookstore. They appreciate your business. You can. You know, I'm networked in like every other author. They can find my book through ingram. Otherwise you can buy that you go Andy Fried dot com. The book just pops right up and you can take the other stuff I'm doing. So yeah, I'm trying to be always creative. I mean I look at these guys like one and Favreau and how much they've done, you know, since going out to La with probably a couple bucks in their pocket. And it wasn't just that one movie. I mean, they keep doing things, and I try to look at creative people that inspire me to get off my button do a little bit more today. And you keep doing creative stuff because you know, fun for me keeps me saying, and you know you're doing this podcast. We all got our outlet that takes us away from the nine to five and makes us a little happier. So I'm just just happy to be able to write about things and you know, if I could share with anybody, that's great. Yeah, cheers to that.

58:45 Listeners, check out the book. You will not be disappointed. And we got to thank you all of you listening today for checking out our limited series nineteen ninety six. We're gonna cover a lot of movies from this year, but we won't get to all of them. Some of you have already shared some films that I must for us to cover, and we thank you for that. Keep them coming. You can email us at a Film by Podcast at gmail dot com, or you can hit us up on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Me and Andy got a bounce. But next time on nineteen ninety six, I think we have another one of Andy's favorite films from the nineties, Beautiful Girls. Andy, you're gonna be back for that one? Yes please? Yeah, that's a different crowd with a different wingman. But yeah, that's definitely love that one. Different different stage of life for those guys. But there's nothing better than the ten year high school union movie coming up. I think that that's so they're both people our age and young people who have not had their ten year anniversary can appreciate it's a great film. I know we're gonna have a great conversation till then, he said,