A Film at 45: A Force of One

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
nineteen seventy nine in a Film Buys limited

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series A Film at forty five.
I am David Burns and I'm Scott Hoffman

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with this limited series from a Film
by podcast where we're dusting off the end

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of a decade the change cinema forever
with a fresh look at modern classics and

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hidden gems that we can't stop watching. In this episode, we're giving drug

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running skateboarders a roundhouse kick with one
of the earliest Chuck Norris classics, A

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force of War. We ever did
this as good as dead. The whole

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essence of what we do is a
philosophy of discipline. He hears the silence,

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he sees the darkness. He's the
only one who can stop the killing.

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Jennifer ONEO Chuck Norris in a force
ah bah. He hears the silence,

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he sees the darkness. He's the
only one who can stop the killing.

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It's all about attitude, Scott,
and it's fortunate for us that we

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have Chuck Norris on our side.
With a karate killer on the loose,

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we can join him in training for
the next fight in the ring, or

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we can have him teach us how
to fight to fend off these killers.

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Either way, we are going to
see some serious fighting when Chuck Norris is

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involved, because there is no doubt
he is a force of one. Scott.

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There are many out there that know
who Chuck Norris is and they know

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how tough he is, but maybe
this film got past them. So how

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would you describe this to someone?
In the beginning, there was Chuck Norris

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and it was good. Not quite
legendary yet, but good. Here we

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see Chuck Norris as someone trying to
live a simple life in California, teaching

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kids karate and defending his title in
martial arts championships. But that life gets

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complicated fast when drugs skate their way
into his town, corrupting runaway kids and

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leaving a trail of dead cops.
Chuck Norris finds himself the police to defend

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themselves against him, a serious karate
killer, and eventually making his personal mission

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to clean up the streets. As
the poster of this movie promises, Chuck

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Norris, here's the silence. Chuck
Norris sees the darkness, and Chuck Norris

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is the only one who can stop
the killing. And I just like taking

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Chuck Norris. Oh whatever again,
Chuck Norris, Cet North. This stars

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Chuck Norris, Jennifer O'Neill, Ron
O'Neill, The Relation and Introducing Bill Wallace

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in a movie directed by Paul Aaron, written by Pat E. Johnson and

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Ernest Tideman. Yeah. Tidman is
known as an Oscar winner two and he

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created Shaft, did he not.
Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, very storied

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career. Yeah, absolutely, And
I believe this is like the third film

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in the seventies who feature Chuck Norris. He had Breaker Breaker in nineteen seventy

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seven and Good Guys, We're Black
in nineteen seventy eight. So you're right,

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this is at the beginning of his
career, when he is starting to

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start shining and everybody's recognizing who he
is. Yep, there's seven years after

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he faced off against Bruce Lee in
the Way of the Dragon. Yep,

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that's right, man. I still
can't believe he was in that. But

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hey, when Bruce grabs a little
bit of his sweater hair and is like,

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yeah, Scott, this was my
first time watching this film. I've

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seen a lot of his eighties work, but this one kind of flipped past

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me. What about you? Yeah, same here, Same here. I

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was very surprised and intrigued by the
poster because you don't see his face right,

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Like it's advertising him as the you
know, force of one obviously,

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but you don't see a lot of
the you know, there's no mustache in

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this conster. Yeah. When when
I first watched this film, I say,

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man, look how young he is. Look At how luscious that hair

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is and everything, the bouncy,
feathery hair. Yes, yeah, you

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know, I mean, this isn't
an Oscar winning film. You know,

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you're not expecting it to be.
This is one of those films you just

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want to sit back and watch some
fighting and you know, of course it's

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Chuck Norris, so you know what
you're going to get out of this film,

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Yeah, you know. But before
we really dive into this, let's

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talk a little bit about this cast. As we've talked about Chuck Norris,

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he plays Matt Logan, who is
what a full contact karate champion. Yeah,

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and he's like, you know,
really busy doing those kinds of things,

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and the police approach him because they
want him to train them because there

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are some martial artists out there like
are killing some cops and they want him

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to train them so they can defend
themselves and try to get to the to

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solve the of who is doing all
of this. But you know, he

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at first he decides he doesn't want
to do it, and then you know,

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he when he's training, he sees
that imagery. But it's also you

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know, it's his adopted son,
Charlie, you know, who is the

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son of the of an attic who
died of an overdose. That kind of

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uh tips him over that edge too
to help the police. Yep, yep.

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It's it's a very interesting I mean, it's a straightforward plot. I'll

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say it's a simple plot because it's
not chasing down a cartel. It's not

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you know, him against hundreds.
It's more like there's that one mysterious killer

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that he's trying to protect them against, and he knows that it's part of

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distributing drugs that are ruining lives all
around him, especially when it comes to

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kids. And I think that's one
of the interesting things about this movie is

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that it feels like it's one where
Chuck is almost kind of defining what kind

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of martial arts movie star he wants
to be as much as he can be

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somebody who's you know, toting the
guns or doing a lot of the action,

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a lot of fight scenes things like
that. This one seems a little

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bit more like it's about helping kids, right, and about just basically giving

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back to the community. He's not
doing this for well, I mean,

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at some point he's doing it for
vengeance, but I don't know, I

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kind of got the sense that there
was a lot of like he's a nurturing

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mentor more than he is. You
can see that for sure, absolutely when

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he when you know he's running his
karate class with all the kids and stuff

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like that, and how playful he
is with them, especially when we see

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he's fighting that little kid, you
know, and you know he's let her

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bring him down, you know in
the fight. You know, you definitely

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can see that in him, and
you definitely know that's not just his character.

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That's actually Chuck Norris. That's who
he really is. You can see

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that right, right. And I
mean even the the dojo, I guess

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if you call it where he's uh, where he's working, it has almost

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kind of a sitcom kind of feeling. Yeah, you know, like his

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interaction with I forget her name,
but the lady who's gonna saying like Matt,

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you got to train, you gotta
do things. Kind of jealous of

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the Jennifer O'Neil character. But yeah, so it seems like an approachable kind

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of martial arts movie that you probably
take kids too. Oh yeah, absolutely.

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And you know there are a few
notes in this movie is that Chuck

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Norris's son Mike can be seen as
the skateboarding pizza delivery boy, and Chuck

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and his younger brother Aaron did the
choreographing and Aaron Norris did the stunt coordinating

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for this film. So definitely a
brother thing going on here too, our

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family thing really yep. Yep,
So yeah, that was good to see.

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It was it was And I know
you and I joined Jeff in the

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limited series when we talked about Firewalker
with Chuck Norris for the nineteen eighty six

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series. Yep, yes we did. Yes, we did nice talking about

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mister Norris here. Yep. Well
I was president, go ahead, and

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I was just gonna say I was
surprised to learn a few things about Chuck

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Norris kind of getting into this movie. I didn't know that he taught Steve

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McQueen and his son. Oh I
didn't know that martial arts. That was

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pretty cool. And somebody who was
helping Chuck develop as an actor was Jonathan

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Harris Have Lost in Space? Yeah, doctor Smith, Doctor Smith. Yeah,

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apparently he taught him how to speak
by putting his fingers in Chuck's mouth

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to stretch them open so that he
would annunciate, which apparently is the only

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person that would get away with doing
that. Right, Good for doctor Smith.

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Nobody else try that, because it
will not end well for you exactly.

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Well, then we've met Jennifer O'Neill, who plays Mandy Rust, the

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only FEMA on that police force with
the way I see, and she obviously

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seems to be the toughest one of
all of them in my opinion, and

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it's you know, she's one of
the officers that approaches Matt Logan to help

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them out. One of the things
I really liked is the chemistry between her

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and Chuck Norris. I thought they
had great chemistry in this film. Yeah.

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I think she's definitely I would say, the smartest way of force for

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sure, especially because one of our
colleagues goes in and you know, his

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partner gets wiped out because he's reminiscing
out of baseball glove that he got from

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his dad way back when. It
was just like, Buddy, I know

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you're a rookie, but why are
you through a dark sporting anyway. Yeah,

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she carried herself with a lot of
confidence. It seemed like she was

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the one who is the most kind
of dedicated to learning the martial arts and

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kind of making sure that she could
fight back and protect herself. But yeah,

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it felt like it wasn't trying to
force a lot of, you know,

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smoozy kind of romance kind of stuff
into it. They just had a

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connection and got along, and I
didn't get the sense that he's never that

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he's ever had relationships really before that. I mean, maybe a couple of

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people, but nothing serious. So
yeah, no, I definitely got that

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vibe to you from them. Did
you find it weird that Jennifer o'n neil

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got top billing over Chuck Norris for
this film? Did you notice that?

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I did? I thought the the
tippy top billing was a little intro because

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they also had Clue Gilliger aside from
Chuck Norris. I've got it, I

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had never heard of either one of
them. Yeah, before now, but

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apparently Jennifer O'Neil was a big,
a big model back in the day,

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right, basically the face of cover
Girl I remember from Scanners in nineteen eighty

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one. That's where I remember her
from. Yep. So I wonder if

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she's the inspiration for Cover Girl and
g I Joe, Oh, hey,

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I don't know, could be because
of this movie and now you know,

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I no, he's at the battle
that's set up right. Yeah, And

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speaking of klueg Gilliger played Lieutenant Sam
Dune again, another horror movie that I

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remember him from. He played Burt
in the Return of the Living Dead and

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he was also mister Walsh in a
Nightmare Now Street Part two. I went

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to Doozy, Yeah, I know. I was love my horror annections,

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love it exactly. Yeah. But
I think they had a good cast in

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this one. I mean, I
think there were some times when Clues seemed

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like he was channeling his inner Jimmy
Stewart, just like his mannerisms and his

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speech patterns. But I think they
all did a good job. I wasn't

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necessarily expecting, you know, spoilers
on a forty five year old movie,

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that Ron O'Neill would be one of
the bad guys. Yeah, I think

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they all did a really really great
job, including Bill Wallace. I was

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kind of surprise. Yeah, speaking
of Bill's Wallace tell us about him.

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He was already an undefeated middleweight karate
champion. He was somebody who was a

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bodyguard to a rather famous person,
unfortunately, John Belushi. He was the

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one who found John dead of cocaine
and heroin overdose in his bungalow. Wow.

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So that's kind of a sad claim
to fame. Beyond that, he

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had his own pedigree of you know, martial arts and fighting that he brought

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into it. I think that gave
it a lot more authenticity to the fight

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scenes, especially in the ring.
So I like that they were incorporating real

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fighters and oh yeah, just actors
who could step into the ring. I

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feel like that's something else that,
you know, probably the influence of Chuck

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Norris you can see there, because
they have a different level of believability too.

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You know, when you've got people
who know how to fight, you

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don't have to really train them.
You don't have to You just got to

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go to the choreography and make sure
nobody's hitting one another. But yeah,

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I mean the realism was definitely there
for the fights, no no doubt about

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that. Yep. And I think
Bill Wallace he was like, did you

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retire like undefeated? I think he
was like twenty three and oh something ridiculous

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like that. I think so,
yeah, And you can tell. I

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mean he carries himself well in the
role I was. It caught my attention

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how important it seemed like his role
was like this, introducing Bill Wallace right

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there in the beginning. Mm hmm. It kind of draws you in and

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makes you want to learn a little
bit more about him. Yeah, it

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does, and it definitely need to
talk about Eric Luneville, who plays Charlie,

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who's the adopted son to Chuck Norris's
character. One of the scenes that

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I love between the two of them
was when they were sparring, and you

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know, Charlie was basically saying how
he is ready to get into the ring

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and wants to do what you know, he what Matt does, right,

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and you know, then he goes, okay, you know, you know

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it's all about the attitude is basically
what he's telling him there. And then

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he said, all right, if
you want, if you're serious about this,

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you know, let's let's basically take
off the gloss. Let's fight for

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real, right now. They kept
the clothes on obviously, but they fought

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for real, and you know,
Matt Logan kind of showed him what it

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was like and brought him down to
his knees basically almost in tears, clearly

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showing that he wasn't ready and you
know, basically leaning towards where his character

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was going to go and where the
vengeance comes in that you were talking about

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earlier, right, Yeah, a
little bit foreshadowing because he sneaks into the

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I guess the what do you call
it? This is not necessarily a compound,

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because that makes it seem like it's, you know, a bunch of

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guards standing around with rifles and automatic
weapons. But he kind of observes a

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little bit of behind the scenes and
he sees all the people that are kind

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of pulling the strings. Then he's
surprised by Bill Wallace's character, who unfortunately

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kills him on the spot. So, yeah, it wasn't ready. No,

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what can you tell us about the
director, Paul Aaron There's something really

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kind of neat about him. Yeah, So, so he was approached by

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American Cinema after the first director stepped
out Ted Post, and apparently he didn't

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necessarily No, Chuck Norris is a
movie star, because it wasn't quite that

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time yet, but he was familiar
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of Kung Fu movies with his steps. What happens to be John Wick?

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Mister Keanu Reeves? Wow, Yeah, but a small world. Yeah,

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I would never I would never expected
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And I wonder if that's where Keanu
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John Wick stuff, you know,
and in the fighting it could be.

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And you know, we know how
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the fighting that goes into that in
the choreography, so you know, maybe

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that's where his love started for all
that was back then with this kind of

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do you need? So do you
know why Ted Posts stepped away? I

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believe he was just said he was
too busy with other work and didn't have

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the time to work on this film, so that's why it went to Paul

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Aaron. Okay, yeah, that's
interesting. Yep, Well, Scott,

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let's talk a little bit about this
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things that I love is a really
good opening credit sequence for a film.

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I know some films don't do it, but man, this one really failed.

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This really felt like a television opening, a television movie opening, is

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what it felt like to me.
Am I wrong, No, I mean,

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you've got the single skateboarder that's you
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drug runner, and you get this
voice over kind of narration of these two

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cops that are talking about it,
and you know, following him the whole

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way through. It just seemed to
kind of draw it out quite a bit.

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I mean, there was a nice
long shot, but it didn't seem

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like there's a lot of mystery there. No, this kid's going to the

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sporting goods store and a little frustrating
because all they had to do was at

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least report their location, at least, you know, leave a note in

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your car that says going to check
out the sporting goods store and then just

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don't tell anybody about it. But
trying to get you know, whatever kind

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of raise or accolades they think they're
going to get by cracking this case wide

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open, but that they go into
the sporting goods store, have no idea

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how to back each other up and
get killed. Pretty quickly, Yeah,

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by somebody who just basically crushes their
throats, Like I don't know. To

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me, that seemed like very quick
and I was like, I don't I

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don't understand how these two officers were
able to stay alive so long, honestly,

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And that leaves me to my second
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exception of you know, Mandy,
this police force doesn't seem to be really

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good. Yeah, I mean you
kind of you get this impression that you're

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you know when you talk about like
having kind of a a TV show kind

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of feel. They have this meeting
in what seems to be like a schoolroom

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or a classroom or something like that, with doctor Science, you know,

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standing up there in his lab coat
and showing them rays of what crush next

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look like, Like, we know
what you're saying. You don't have to

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show us X rays of that,
But I don't know. It just didn't

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seem like they were taking it seriously. It didn't seem like they really knew

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what they were doing, especially because
you know, then another detective duo is

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kind of brought down in the same
sporting goods store because they're not backing each

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other up very well and apparently nobody
hits the lights ever. Apparently, No,

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it'd be a good idea. But
anyway, they definitely need more training

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than martial arts. I'm definitely gonna
say that. Yeah, yeah, they

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could definitely use that. Yes,
Unfortunately you would. You know, there

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are still some really good scenes in
this movie. All the fight sequences are

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fantastic. The very first fight that
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the ring, I thought that was
really well done. And then you know,

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the fight against Sparks there at the
end is fantastic as well. You

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know, that's one of my favorit
parked of this entire film, was that

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fight, because when everything is uncovered
right there, like there's no dialogue,

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did you notice that, Like the
camera was just moving around and you just

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looking at eye lines and people were
looking at one another, looking around,

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and you know, the police move
in to make the arrest, and I

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like that whole sequence. I think
that was my favorite part of the entire

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film. Yeah. Well, and
that's one of the notes where I feel

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like you can really see the touch
of Patty Johnson as a writer on this

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one, especially the two fights that
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Pat Johnson has an extensive background in
stunt choreography and coordination. Whenever I

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you know, picture Pat Johnson,
I always see the referee and the red

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referee shirt from Karate Kid. Yeah, but it's you know, each of

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those fights, it's not you know, legendary Chuck Norris versus some guy,

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right, there's actually a contest to
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few times. You're actually not exactly
sure if he's gonna win the fight each

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time. So it seems like there's
some authenticity to those fights, and it

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helps to kind of ground his character
in somebody who's not just going around,

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you know, a vigilandi that's you
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the streets. But he's somebody who's
a genuine martial artist that cares about the

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cares about what he's doing, yep, and treating it seriously. So I

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think that was a good touch and
it was a it was a good way

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to make sure that it felt like
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necessarily just guy who's out there to
recavoc and to develop his character further.

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I mean, you see this guy
kicking butt in the ring and clearly you

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know, it's really good at what
he does when it comes to fighting.

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But then you get that contrast where
you see him, you know, with

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his karate class, which is a
bunch of kids, you know, and

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you see how much he cares,
and then you find out about his step

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son and what he has done to
step in to take care of him,

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to make sure he gets a good
raising. You know, you really get

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to see how well developed that character
is. He's not just a mindless guy

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doing fighting in a ring. No, you know, he actually cares about

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people. He cares about society,
and it comes off that way, which

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is what leads him into helping the
police, right, and it seems like

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somebody that they're trying to kind of
model. You know, this is a

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national star that kids can look up
to and emulate in a good way and

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you know, not necessarily getting into, you know, the wrong kind of

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trouble and things like that. Right
exactly, Well, let's look through the

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Lynn Scott. Let's talk a little
bit about behind the scenes and stuff like

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that. I know this film cost
around I think three million dollars to crew

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to make, between like box office
rentals and all that kind of stuff.

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I think it came in around seventeen
to twenty million dollars, So a successful

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film clearly. So, I mean, at least you know that the movie

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hasn't going for that, that's for
sure. What else did you find?

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So? I was surprised that the
other writer behind this movie, Ernest Tityman,

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was also the writer behind Shaft,
The French Connection and High Planes Drifter.

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Yeah, he's an Oscar winner.
That's a pretty solid pedigree there is,

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right. Yeah. It also sounds
like when he was working with Paul

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Aaron that there's a little bit of
kind of rewriting behind them behind the scenes

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to make things fit Chuck Moore,
I think is the quote that I saw

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yep so and apparently Tightuming was very
sick during the filming and died shortly afterward.

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But I do kind of wonder if
we had seen that original script,

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how different it might be. Right
when somebody says they want to fit Chuck

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more, is that it needs more
action, it needs more fighting, or

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that it needs more of that kind
of you know what we saw, the

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mentor the teacher, the the nurturing
kind of influence. I assume it's probably

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the former that it was trying to
include more fighting and more action. But

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yeah, think I think that that'll
lead me a little bit into what I'm

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going to talk about during in the
what if section about the the director Ted

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Post, and I'll go ahead and
talk about it right now, since you

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know you brought it up. I
definitely see what they needed to do is,

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you know, to make it more
fitting for Chuck. I do understand

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that. But if I think if
Ted Post had kept this film, I

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think we would have got a grittier
film because he did like hang them high,

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magnum force, Uma beneath plenty of
the apes. He did a lot

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of Western television series in the fifties
and the sixties. I think that we

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would have got a grittier film,
and we would have still had that Chuck

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element in there. I still think
that we would have you know, they

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would have been able to choreograph it
around him. But I think the script

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itself would have definitely been different than
what we got in this movie. This

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version. Yeah, I think the
police would have been a more hardcore than

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what we got in this film.
And I don't want to put the film

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down in any way, but you
know, you know, we just talked

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about the police force just is not
that strong in this movie at all,

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except for except for Mandy, And
I think, you know, we would

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have seen a lot more a different
police force in that film. So I

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do agree would definitely be a different
film than what we got. Yeah,

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I think on the flip side of
that, I think the bad guys so

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to speak, we probably would have
had more from them as well. Oh

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yeah, thinking about the you know, like that scene that I mentioned before,

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it seemed like there's just this outfit
of like four maybe five people involved

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in this. And when you think
about the you know, the drug scenes

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that were used to nowadays, it
seems like it's, you know, this

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massive factory and everybody's you know,
in their underpants, wearing gas masks,

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and you know, it goes on
through a giant warehouse. In this one,

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the scale of their drug operations seemed
to be two evidence boxes, right

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that were about the size of a
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it wasn't very big scale, So
I think we probably would have gotten

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on both sides of it, we
would have seen a bigger operation. There

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probably would have been more people for
Chuck Norris's character to at least faced out

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if not taked out. Yeah.
Yeah, you know, we in talking

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about the eighty six limited series that
you know a film by does I think

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Jeff always asked that question, you
know, a prequel remake. You know,

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this is one of those films that
I wouldn't want to remake it just

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because I Chuck Norris is in it. But if I had that choice,

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I would choose remake only because I
would like to see a grittier film on

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both sides. I want to see, you know, the villains be a

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lot tougher than what they are.
I mean, they do killing in this

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one, obviously, but we need
to see it a bigger operation, like

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you said, And I think that
is it a route I would have gone

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anyway. Yeah, this is a
late seventies kind of film. You get

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that vibe in it, but I
definitely would have liked it seen that come

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off differently than what we got in
this film. Yeah, and even you

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know, not necessarily even remake,
but more like extended cut. Yeah right,

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What was that original vision and how
kind of that could play out?

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For sure? Yeah? Absolutely?
I know there was like there was rumors

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where there was talks that this was
designed to be like a follow up to

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Good Guys Were Black from nineteen seventy
eight, not a true sequel or anything

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like that, But I don't know
if that's true or not, but I

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read that in doing research for this
film. Yeah, it doesn't make me

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kind of want to go back and
watch that movie. Yeah, that I've

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never seen before, but just to
see how it kind of compares, Like,

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you know, is that a place
where it seemed like his characters were

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going in one direction and he chose
to go to another, or does it

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continue in that same kind of thread. I don't know, I'd be interested

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to see that. And obviously,
you know, this built into a much

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of your career in the eighties through
today for check books, I mean,

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all the way to the expendables and
beyond. So ye, yeah, it's

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definitely definitely made a presence here.
I was also interested to see a very

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familiar face, speaking of nineteen eighty
six GW. Bailey in his feature film

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debut. We talked about him in
Short Circuit that's right, but obviously a

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familiar face from Police Academy and Rizzo
in mash that's right, and Mannequin if

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I'm allowed to, you know,
sure have movie I've seen probably way too

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many times. But yeah, no, lots of lots of different movies.

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I love all the connections that we
can always pull out of these love it

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yep, exactly. Yeah, all
right, well let's score it. Scott,

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not really much to talk about with
the music. It was done by

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Dick Halligan. He did like a
couple episodes of The Bionic Woman. I

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know he would go on to do
The Octagon, which Tuck Norris was in

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as well, and he also did
one of my favorite which I don't probably

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should mit bj in The Bear.
Do you remember that series, my Greg

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Evigant and his Monkey. That's right, that's not love, that's right.

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I love that series when I was
driving around in an Optimus Prime knock off.

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That's right. Yes. But then
the movie basically does what it should

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do. The music does you know? You get that seventies vibe going throughout

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it? You know it matches the
style of the film. You know,

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when the action sequences are happening,
you're getting that, you're getting that typical

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I don't know what you would call. It's that fazy bear, that fazzy

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bear guitar where it waa. Yes, you get that familiar music going through

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the film, which is very fitting
for it. So I'm okay with it.

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It was it was very fitting for
the film. Yeah, if the

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if at the action, it didn't
try to go to too many, you

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know, big places. I think
it was just right for it. Yeah,

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absolutely, all right, So any
did you find any quotes on the

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film. I didn't necessarily see a
lot about this film specifically, but I

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did see something interesting from Chuck Norris, you know, kind of on the

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topic of kids, where he had
said, it's the bullies who were afraid.

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Those are the ones that do all
the fighting. It's not the secure

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kids that get out there and fight, it's the insecure kids. When you

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develop that security in these youngsters and
all of a sudden they have no reason

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to fight. This is to me
the most gratifying thing I've ever been able

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to do. Now, obviously he's
talking about what he's able to do in

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real life, but I feel like
that's kind of the sentiment behind where you

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think they were kind of going with
this movie and the kind of action movie

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they wanted this to be for Chuck
Norris, and I respect that. I

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think it's definitely an interesting place to
go, especially in the seventies, right

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before the dawn of the eighties when
things would go gangbusters. But I like,

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as a bird's there, what about
you? I do too. So

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I found a quote from Todd McCarthy
from Variety. He wrote, though plot

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is far fetched and production values aren't
much superior to TV, fair likable protagonist

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and strong karate seguitches will carry the
day with the intended audience. And it

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does. You know, we talked
about that little complaint that it feels a

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little bit like TV, but the
movie still does pull it off in the

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end. You care about the characters, you know, you appreciate what happens

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when the vengeance happens, because we
would all do the same thing. Scott,

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You've got kids, you know,
if you were in a situation like

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that where you would go to right, yes, I would be. I

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would have the soundtrack of the WakaWaka
guitar behind me the whole time. Yes,

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So no doubt about that. So
I always like to see what critics

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talked about back in the seventies and
stuff like that with these kind of films,

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So it's kind of neat when you
are able to find them like this.

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But yeah, I totally agree with
him on that one. You know,

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it's like, as we said earlier, it's not an Oscar winner,

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but you don't expect it to be
one, and that's not what it's going

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for. It's going to be,
you know, an action film staring Cut

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Norris. Yeah, and I think
you know anybody who's a fan of Jack

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Norris, obviously, if you've had
reservations about seeing it, definitely see it.

434
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I mean, oh yeah, could
it be stronger in some areas,

435
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yes, but is it a great
way to look at kind of the start

436
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of his career or the start of
his eighties career. Absolutely so, I

437
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think it's definitely worth a watch.
I couldn't agree more with that. Absolutely.

438
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Well, did you see it?
I saw this on Amazon Prime.

439
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Same here. I was glad to
not have to go to the library for

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this one. The library, but
yeah, right, it was kind of

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nice. Well, let's let's rewind
favorite scene, Scott. I think you

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would have to be that that end
fight scene like you were talking about,

443
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Oh yeah, just because like you
said, it had no dialogue whatsoever,

444
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and it could have definitely gone to
a very forced place. But I think

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it was interesting to see the action
go outside it seemed a little you know,

446
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he's really going to be able to
steal a police car. I'm not

447
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so sure about that, but I
don't know a lot of a lot of

448
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action the right way to have the
you know, the main good guy square

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off against the main bad guy.
I thought it was appropriate. What about

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you? I agree that was that
was my favorite scene. But I definitely

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want to call out the scene again
that we've already discussed is the scene between

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Matt and Charlie in their sparring.
I just love that connection between father and

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son that you see in the film. You know, it's it's always nice

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to see when two characters are connecting
like that, which obviously we said is

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foreshototing what's going to happen to Charlie
unfortunately, but I thought that was really

456
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good. You needed that because otherwise
you wouldn't have felt what Matt was feeling,

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you know, when when that happened. And then you get the scene

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later on where Matt basically goes to
identify the body, which is brutal in

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itself, but the reaction that Norris
gives you, I mean, he keeps

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it straight, man. He doesn't
break down. You can see in his

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face that he shocked, which anybody
would, you know, and he backs

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out. I basically know he's going
to go kick somebody's butt because of what

463
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just happened, you know. So
I hate to be that person, that's

464
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for sure. Yeah. The only
dislike I have in this one. Man,

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the extra sound effects we got when
Matt was fighting sparks outside at the

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end. You know what I'm talking
about. You get that echo effect.

467
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.079
Oh yeah. Was not a fan
of that at all. I mean,

468
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I'm sure it's a product of the
time that this was made, but man,

469
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it really bucked me. Yeah.
Yeah, I think as far as

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dislikes, there was one that was
I just felt like it was pretty telegraphic

471
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what was happening. When they first
looked at those evidence boxes that they're getting

472
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graded for the furnace or whatever.
It was like, Oh, there,

473
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somebody's totally going to steal those.
I mean, they're advertising. How much

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is going into I don't know.
It just seemed like it's so small compared

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to what we're used to seeing.
Again, it's just like there's not much

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there. I mean, I'm not
sure at the time it was, you

477
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know, a million bucks in nineteen
seventy nine, probably goes a long way,

478
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but there just wasn't much to it, so it made the scale of

479
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.360
the whole thing seem a bit smaller
than I was expecting. But I agree

480
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.360
that's all right, No, I
agree with that. Well, let's talk

481
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about the impact of this film like
we always do, and that's why we

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do this podcast, because we want
to talk about these movies from the late

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00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:35.760
seventies so have a huge impact on
movies that come up in the eighties,

484
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nineties and so on. For me, clearly, this is where Chuck Norris

485
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is beginning. You know, we've
already talked about this and here you know

486
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later on he's gonna be doing the
Octagon, the Missing in Action films,

487
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which I love, you know,
Eye for an Eye, Force, the

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Vengeance, even the Delta Force,
on and on, the Expendables all that.

489
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So you know, this is a
build up of what we're going to

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see from him, but we've already
seen it. A lot of martial art

491
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films, not only from North America
but especially from other countries, have been

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very successful. You know, Scott, you and I died the Five Deadly

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00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.679
Venoms last year on a film at
forty five. You know, there's already

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a market for these type of films, and this just continues the storyline of

495
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more and more coming to theaters.
Yeah, I think it opens the door

496
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for more martial arts movies from the
US that are going to feature martial arts

497
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:37.960
education, right and competition. And
it feels like it's a way, you

498
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.960
know, kind of similar to Op
Gun having neighbor recruiters outside of the theater,

499
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:46.840
right. It feels like it's very
much kind of promoting this idea as

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something for anybody in the age to
get into. But knowing that kids are

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really going to want to see these
action movies, using these kind of movies

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to promote that kind of stuf to
promote the martial arts is something they can

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00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:05.599
get into. I think is a
great thing that this movie helped to kind

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of show how it can do and
how it can do it well and successfully.

505
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:15.119
It definitely seems like it's something that
helped to define what kind of star

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00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.760
Chuck Norris wanted to be in his
own movies, which I think we benefited

507
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.679
from and all the stories I kind
of followed his example. So yeah,

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00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:27.719
absolutely, absolutely. Well, as
always, I want to thank our listeners

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and hope you're excited as much as
we are as what continue our journey through

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the year nineteen seventy nine. We've
got a lot of good films coming up.

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I mean we've barely started. Yeah, but what is your favorite Chuck

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Norris film? Let us know you
know. If you want to leave a

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comment, discuss what's next, or
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