July 26, 2024

A Film At 45: Apocalypse Now

A Film At 45: Apocalypse Now

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!" Our limited series, "A Film at 45" is back to celebrate the 45th anniversary of the films of 1979. We're dusting off the end of a decade that changed cinema forever, with a fresh look at modern classics...

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Season 5A Film At 45
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

Our limited series, "A Film at 45" is back to celebrate the 45th anniversary of the films of 1979. We're dusting off the end of a decade that changed cinema forever, with a fresh look at modern classics and hidden gems that we can't stop watching! On this episode, David and Scott take the long strange trip into Francis Ford Coppola's masterpiece, "Apocalypse Now."

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to nineteen seventy nine. In

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a Film Buys limited series, A Film at forty five.

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I'm David Burns.

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And I'm Scott Hoffman, and as usual, we're dusting off

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the end of a decade that changed cinema forever with

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a fresh look at modern classics and hidden gems that

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we can't stop watching. In this episode, we're taking a long,

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strange strip into one of the most talked about movies

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of nineteen seventy nine, Apocalypse. Now. I love the smell

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of pipe palm in the morning. Your mission is to

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seed up the nung river in a Navy patrol board

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when you find the colonel infiltrateds team by whatever means available,

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and terminate the colonel's command.

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Damen aasive. I'm a soldier, na Na palm son. Nothing

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else in the world smells like that. I love the

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smell of a palm in the morning. We knew discussing

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films from nineteen seventy nine would eventually lead us to

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this Vietnam epic film directed by Francis Ford Coppla, a

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film that truly is a cinematic masterpiece and should be

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seen by everyone at least once from its brilliant cinematography,

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its vivid direction, massive epic sets, casting performances, and of

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course it's revitalizing usage of music from the doors. It's

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time to dive into this truly one of a kind

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film that without question changed cinema forever. Scott, there is

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so much to talk about for this film, and I

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know we can't cover at all, but please enlighten our

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listeners and tell us what this film is about.

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Sure so, this three hour epic is set in the

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heat of the Vietnam War, where Special Forces Colonel Kurtz

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is believed to have lost his mind, murdered several people,

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and amassed a small army of his own who believed

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that he's a demigod. To prevent further murder and destruction,

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the army recruits Captain Willard to infiltrate Kurtz's world and

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assassinate him. While the objective seems simple, the journey is

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far from it. Willard must travel through the strangest parts

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of the war while keeping hold of his own sanity,

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which had been pushed to the limits by the war.

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Before this classified A mission had even begun. Will he

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be able to tear Kurtz's world down before he becomes

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a part of it. We'll find out in this biggest

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movie of nineteen seventy nine. Is that fair to say, Dave?

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It is? Yeah, I absolutely would say that. Scott. It's

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funny that you and I covered another Vietnam film from

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nineteen seventy eight with The Deer Hunter, and clearly that

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was a film with very heavy themes, just like this

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one that we are discussing today. Yeah. Absolutely, there's just

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so much in this one. And you know, this film,

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which starts off with that iconic shot, you know that

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we see the jungle and the napalm exploding and the

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music of from the Doors and stuff like that, you

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know we're already in hell, right, I mean, we clearly

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are seeing the main character suffering immediately, Captain Benjamin Willard,

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And you know, we just go deeper and deeper into

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the depths of hell as this movie just moves along.

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We get to see all these horrors of war and

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what it's like for those who are fighting it.

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Yeah, it was a very smart I think you hit

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the nail on the head by saying it's a descent, right,

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It's very much going deeper and deeper into more and

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more uncharted territory, I would say, or what feels like it,

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at least for the viewer, the depths of what somebody

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can endure, all the all the horrors they have to

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experience in the journey of the horror, but you know,

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exploring the twists and turns of the psyche. It is

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very interesting that just a year after The Deer Hunter,

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which had its own exploration of the impacts of war

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and the impacts on people's minds, to have it completely

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set in Vietnam and taking a look at the the

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spectrum of things that can happen to somebody's mind in

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the Vnam War.

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So this is loosely based off what the eighteen niney

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nine novella Heart of Darkness right by Joseph Conrad. Is

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that correct? Yeah, that's right, And I believe it was

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about the nineteenth century Congo and this obviously got converted

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to the Vietnam War, you know, obviously to make it

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for this film. I found a very interesting definition of

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this film online, Scott. I don't know who wrote it,

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so I would love to get credit whoever it is.

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If you listening to this and you say, hey, I

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wrote that. Thank you so much because I want to

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give you credit for this, because it is exactly what

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this film is about. Colonel Kilgore's Little Napoleon Complex is

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a reinforcement of the main theme of both the Heart

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of Darkness novel and the film that having power in

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chaotic circumstances can lead to delusions of grandeur, with Kurtz

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being the ultimate example. Along the way, will himself will

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have bouts of the same symptoms. Wow.

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Interesting.

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That sums up this movie so well, at least in

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my opinion.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's a very interesting. We don't

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see much of Kurtz at all, right until the very end,

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but it's all this build up. It's all of this

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you know, discussion about what he's done, the links that

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he's gone to. We even get sneak peeks into what

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effect he had on the UH on Willard's predecessor. Right

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when he gets that, he sees that piece of mail

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where it's just scrawled out like sell the kids, sell

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the house, sell everything. Yeah, it's it's shocking.

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It is.

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So we don't get to see Kurtz's journey, but we

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see Willard's and his approach toward where Kurtz is it's

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a very interesting way about it.

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And here's you mentioned that about Kurtz. Obviously, Marlon Brando

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place Kurts has what fifteen minutes of screen time this

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whole film. Yeah, that I find very interesting about this,

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Scott is you and I had a very similar discussion

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about Alien, where the zenenomorphs was only in the movie

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what eight minutes or something like that, and only towards

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the end of the film. It's very similar to this movie.

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Complete opposite films, obviously, right, But it's funny that you

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have this huge actor, Marlon Brando, playing this huge villain

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and you really don't seem until what two and a

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half almost two hours and forty five minutes into this film,

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And but it works so well because you're hearing about Kurtz,

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You're you're getting a knowledge from other people about Kurts,

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You're you're you're diving into the mind of the main

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character of Willard, and he's learning about it as he's

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progressing through this story, and you're you're learning it too.

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So by the time you get to that point, it's

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just like this huge introduction of this character. And so

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it's like it's a it's a big epic moment, right.

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Yeah, absolutely, And I mean, you know, it's I'd say

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it's easy to say that his presence by the time

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we meet him is monolithic. I think it's kind of

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an interesting happy accident that Marlon Brando had showed up

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to the set with more weight than they expected, to

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be kind, and so in response to that, they had

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coordinated certain shots so that he was cloaked in shadow.

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So even though you're meeting him, he's still kind of

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wrapped in that mystery the entire time. I think that

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was brilliant direction. I know it was to work around

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a problem, but I can't imagine that wasn't part of

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the original intent because he's so well built up. It's

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also interesting, this is the second movie we've seen with

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this big actor who is elevated to such a big

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presence in the movie, yet has very little screen time

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in it, similar to what we talked about with Superman

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in seventy eight exactly. He was part of the main

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draw for the producers to even fund the movie. It

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was Brando and Hackman, and he's barely in it. But

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I'd say in this one, it's it's definitely more of

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an iconic presence for Brando. Yeah, because of those directorial choices.

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Yeah, to go back to you what you're saying about

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those shots that they chose to hide his weight, Dude,

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that worked so well. It added such a different dimension

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to that character and made him feel even darker, unintended

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of his character and in the depth that he's fallen into.

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It added so much to the fact that they had

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to do that. Okay, the film benefited because.

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Of it, right, right, And like you said, with aliens,

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like I think with alien I think I mentioned this

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in that episode. If I was in the theater in

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seventy nine, I can imagine myself scooting forward in my

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seat to try to see through the darkness. Yeah, they

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always had the alien cloak in the same kind of way.

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I feel like it would draw them further in, even

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though there's not much of a shock factor to Kurtz

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himself as much as the you know, the island around

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himself that he had created, which was shockingly horrific, Yah,

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decorated with bodies and heads and people hanging from trees

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and oh good lord.

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Yeah, you know it's it's We are introduced to Willard

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here at the beginning of this film, and we see

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on how much obviously he is struggling mentally. Yeah, apparently

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Martin Sheen was really struggling mentally as well, And during

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those scenes in that hotel room, that was really him

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struggling mentally and got lost into his performance apparently. And

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when he broke that mirror, that was actually him breaking

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that mirror.

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Yeah, on his thirty sixth birthday. Yeah, right, very very interesting.

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What do they call it?

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Character acting correct or method acting?

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Method acting? Yeah?

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Yeah, I know that. And Coppola is concerned, right, he's

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seeing this, but he's recognizing that it's a performance that

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works really well for this character. So I empathize with

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Martin for having gone through that, But I think the

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movie is better for that particular performance despite how it

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came about.

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Yeah, it absolutely is, because I mean that's somebody putting

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their real life into it and not realizing it, I

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guess in the moment and the fact that they just

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kept rolling and kept it going with again another benefit

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to this film that made it bigger and better than

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what it could have been. Right.

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Well, And I mean, I'm sure you probably have something

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to touch on with this, but apparently it's not the

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only health concerns that she and had during production. Right,

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that's what I read about a near fatal heart attack

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that he had earlier that year, and he was worried

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that it would stop production, so he lied about it

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so that he suffered a heat stroke and until he

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came back to the set for certain scenes, his brother

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Joe filled in for him and provided the voiceovers for

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his character, which I never would have guessed.

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I would never have guessed that.

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I'm kind of curious about that, Like did he provide

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all the narration voiceover or just elements on it. I

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don't know, but it's interesting to.

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Hear well if if he did some of it, he

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did half of it, you never know, because he sounds

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just like Martin.

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Sheen right exactly.

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It's crazy, but that the whole family, I mean, you know,

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we're gonna ge a little bit to talk about the

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impact of the film. You know, his son Charlie was

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obviously in another Vietnam movie, Platoon, that was done in

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nineteen eighty six. When I'm listening to the dialogue here

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in Apocalypse Now and I see Martin Sheen on screen,

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I can't. I gotta tell you, I got lost little

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bit that you am. I watching Charlie Sheen in Platoon, I.

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Felt like, yeah, well, and I see so much of Charlie.

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I see so much of Emilio in him. This is

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such a youthful performance by Martin, obviously at that age,

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but it's it is fascinating, how you know the parallels

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between this and Platoon and the similarities with his sons.

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When we're on the topic of sons and heart or

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not heart issues, but traumatic experiences. Apparently Amelia was on

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set during some of the production, and so apparently Lawrence

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fishburn or Larry Fishburne as he's credited in this movie,

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saved a Elia from dying in quicksand during some downtime

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on the set. So it's a very for Martin's family.

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This is a very dangerous movie. I'm glad they got

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through it. And also we also benefit because he caught

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the attention of Francis Ford Copa apparently because when he

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was casting for The Outsiders he remembered Emilio, he thought of.

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It, and how young he was there to actually remember that,

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you know, yes, obviously he did said something that he

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really made an impact on Francis Ford Coppola that says

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a lot right there. Well, another actor that I want

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to talk about for sure is obviously in his younger days,

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and of course that is Robert Duvall, who plays at

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Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore. He to me again, he's like

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Marlon Brando, what fifteen minutes of screen time again in

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this film and got nominated for an Academy Award because

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of his role in this movie. But man, I gotta

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tell you, he was probably one of my favorite characters

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in this movie. I mean, I know, the dude was mad,

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and I know you know what he was doing in

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the war, but he still had a good side. He

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had a bad side. I don't know what the belief

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in this guy. But his introduction was incredible. The whole

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chaos of that scene. Man, I cannot imagine the choreographing

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of filming that scene where he comes in on the helicopter.

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You got all of that chaos going on, you know,

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it was it was crazy. But his introduction definitely made

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an impact on me in this film for sure.

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Yeah, and it's again, it's kind of shocking to see

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him in such a youthful role, but you were used

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to seeing him in so much. We saw him last

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year an in vision of the Body Snatchers yep, the

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Preast on the Swing, I think it was that was

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kind of fun. But he has some of the most

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iconic scenes and it's definitely because of his delivery. It's then,

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you know, I love the smell of Apol in the morning,

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that's everywhere, that's that's that's not something you can separate

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from this movie, like absolutely associated with it. The same

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with the what is it the Flight of the Valkyries,

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the Right of the Valkyries, Yes, Right of the Valkyrie yep, yep.

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Very iconic, and talk about the sprawling scale of this movie.

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To coordinate scenes like that is absolutely incredible, And he's

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very he has kind of a magnetic personality despite the

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fact that he's on another level of the spectrum of

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sanity that we're seeing on this as demonstrated by him

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kind of broadcasting that announcement to give him a board back,

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like just don't answer, keep your head done. But he's

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got a great energy that that's captivated and draws somebody in.

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So I feel like that's something that's an interesting parallel

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to Kurts, where it's somebody who can you know, bring

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so many people together rally, so many people are together

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around him, but he's not using his position in the

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best way.

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Right. Yeah, yeah, here we go again, Scott, You and

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I talking a little bit about Harrison Ford once again.

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I know it's right playing Colonel Lucas. Surprise on the name,

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because we know why he's called Colonel Lucas. Apparently Ford

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was able to pick his own name, so he did

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it after George Lucas. Apparently very small role, but still

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very memorable. I mean, as soon as as soon as

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you hear his voice, you have made oh hate that's

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Harrison Ford. So it's just kind of funny. He always

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pops up in our conversations or movies that we are discussing.

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Scott, absolutely, Yeah, we were just talking about four Sten

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from Navarro, right just last year. I was shocked to

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see him in this movie. Very interesting. I was also

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shocked to see another fresh face, Larry fishburn Oh.

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Yeah, Larry Fishburne, also known as Who's Scott Clean Queen?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, very interesting character.

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Yeah, very interesting in how much of a role that

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he had for somebody who was brand new to the

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Hollywood scene. Yeah right, I read that. He so apparently

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he played a seventeen year old, but he was fourteen

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when production began in seventy six. Couldn't tell it, no,

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not at all. But apparently filming took so long that

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he was actually seventeen when it finished. But still he's

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It's a I don't know whether to call it a

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minor role, but it's definitely a pivotal role. It is

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in the movie. Among those on the boat, I'd say

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he's one of the most important.

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I would I would completely agree with that. And one

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of the most heartfelt moments of this entire film for

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me anyway, was and you know where I'm going with

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this is when he gets killed. Yeah, and he's listening

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to the recording from his mother. Man, that was rough

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as the record going. They realize that he is dead,

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and she's talking about that they're going to buy him

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a car when he comes home. They're going to help

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take care of him, you know, make sure he stays

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safe and stays away from the bullets. All of that's

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going on while we know he is now dead. Man,

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I got here. That was a real scene.

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That was a very rough scene. It was definitely unexpected,

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and it's even more poignant knowing that it was his

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Laurence Fishburne's actual mother that recorded that audio. I kind

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of wonder if missus fishburn knew what was going to

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happen in that scene, because if I was her, I

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would have a hard time getting through it. I don't

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wear that a couple of times.

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Yeah. Absolutely, it just very a very major moment in

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the in the film. For at least you know that character,

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and for those who are on that boat with him,

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you're absolutely right. He didn't feel like a minor role

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at all, and he was really really important to that

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crew on that small boat. There's no doubt about that.

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Speaking of another small role on that boat is a

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man known as Frederick Forrest, who plays Jay Chief Hicks Scott.

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I was in a movie with him, really, Yeah. He

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played Sergeant mcspadden in John Frankenheimer's TV mini series Andersonville,

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which was filmed in nineteen ninety four. I was in

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that movie for the entire time of filming, and Frederick

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Forest had a major role in that movie. It's funny

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when I was on the set and watching him perform,

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I knew who he was. I knew what movie was

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from that was Apocalypse Now because it was such a

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big film. I already knew what I had, what I

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was watching in front of me perform. You know the

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experience I was getting in watching that. So yeah, I

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have that connection with mister Frederick Forest. He was a

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fantastic actor.

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Well that's impressive. I will say that he had one

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of the most He again had that magnetic personality. Yeah,

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brings you in to him talking about his time as

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a chef and all this other kind of stuff. I

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had to wind the scene where his head is dropped

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spoilers where his I mean it's come out forty five

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years old. When his head is dropped into Willard's lap.

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I had to rewind a couple of times. He's like,

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did I just see what I thought I saw? That

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was shocking? Yeah, very great shocking.

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But yeah, it means that the whole film is shocking

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in so many places. And it's that's what makes this

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movie so special, right is because it's so epic and scope.

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I know Francis Ford Coppola when he was directing this

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went through a lot of problems mentally. I believe he

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threatened suicide several times during making this film. I mean,

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you got to think how big this thing was. I mean,

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he even invested I think I want to say, seven

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or eight million dollars of his own money into this

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film because it was going over budget. So there was

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a lot going on that he was struggling with. And

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you got to think. My understanding is they didn't have

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a place to develop this film over there, so everything

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he was filming, he didn't see it. It was getting

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sent back over to the UUs to be processed, so

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he didn't see it until he came home to see

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exactly what they had filmed. Can you imagine.

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No, not with this scope, no way.

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The pressure that man had to feel. I can understand

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why he was threatening suicide at times, because, my god,

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I can imagine going through.

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That well in the pressure. Like you said, I read

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that he had to put up his car, his house,

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and the profits from The Godfather is security to finish

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the film because of budget concerns. That would just that

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would stress me out. That would absolutely stress me out.

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I couldn't do that. I know. Kevin Costner is doing

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that now with The Horizon.

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You know.

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I don't know if I could do that. Man. I

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think one of the big rules out there is do

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not put your own money into a movie apparently is

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a rule, and some people don't learn that lesson.

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Yeah, okay, it works for Kevin Smith. I'll just say

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it does.

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It works very well for Kevin Smith, works for love.

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But yeah, absolutely, well, let's move on through the lens Scott,

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and let's talk about somebody behind the scenes. There is

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so many facts about this movie that we can, Like

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I said, we could be here for hours discussing this movie,

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but what interesting things did you discover?

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So I was kind of shocked when we're talking about

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the production. The original intent was to spend just five

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months filling this and then stretched out into a year.

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Lots of problems with expensive sets being destroyed by weather.

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We talked before about Marlon Brando not only being physically

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different than they thought he would be, but being completely unprepared.

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And I had read that Coppola had to read Hearts

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of Darkness to him to get him to understand what

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was happening at that talk about stressful situations. I can't

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imagine having to do that.

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Yeah, and I've heard so many stories and how difficult

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it was working with Marlon. I can't imagine having to

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work with him. He was good at what he did,

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don't get me wrong, but man, everything I've read about

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different movies and behind the scenes problems he has caused,

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you know, it's I can't imagine.

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Yeah, I imagine he may have had a contribution to

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people developing smoking habits, because if I'm on the side

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of this, or you know, I'm with him on Superman

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and I'm seeing him read from a diaper, ye, just

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to say on track, I'd be pacing to say the least.

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Absolutely. Yeah. Well, apparently the United States military refused to

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lend any kind of military equipment to this film, I

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guess because of the order to kill Colonel Kurtz, so

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he actually had to borrow local military equipment to make this.

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He gets us completed, and if you saw all this

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stuff it's in this movie, that's impressive.

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Yeah, that's that's his own surplus warehouse.

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Yeah, please, jeez. And you're right, I mean, the scope

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of this when you look at these sets. This you

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know again, this is you know, before the day of

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CGI and some blue screen and green screen and stuff like.

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I mean, they did have it, but you weren't going

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to use it for a film like this. You use

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that stuff for like sci fi and those kind of things.

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These kind of movies, you build the sets, you film

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it on location, and that's exactly what they did, and

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that's why it looks so epic in scope.

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Yeah. Well, and you had mentioned, you know, how long

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it took for it to be produced and how long

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it took for it to you know, the links they

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had to go to. Once he finally got that footage,

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he had to edit over a million feet of film. Wow,

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for this. I can't imagine that. And I hope he

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did that in swell bites because if I saw that,

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I'd probably turn around to walk up.

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Yeah. I think it was what three years to edit it?

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Does that sound right? Yeah?

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That sounds right.

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Can you imagine?

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No? No, but worth it? Right?

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Oh yeah, we're given the end result we got absolutely.

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Absolutely worth it. But wow, that's off.

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Yeah. I mean I do a little short film and

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I'm I'm like freaking out at like editings, what little

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footage I have? I can imagine three years? Good lord,

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no way, no way. Yeah.

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Well, it paid off when it was released at the

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box office. It got over eighty million in the US

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one hundred million worldwide, not to mention what it's earned

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since then. It's been released, re released, it's discussed ad

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nauseum like it's definitely had an impact and influence that's

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lasted the test of time.

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Yeah. Absolutely, So I do want to call out John Milis,

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who wrote Apocalypse. Now. I know Jeff and I discussed

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in a film by Big Wednesday, a surf movie that

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was done in nineteen twenty six, John Miless. It's funny

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that we we talked about that surfboard. You know that

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Kilgore wanted back seeing those surfboards and stuff like that,

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and knowing that John Milis wrote this movie kind of

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you know, brought that impact to me, like, hey, we

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just discussed the movie that he wrote and directed about surfing.

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That's pretty cool.

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Yeah'd be interesting to see all of his you know,

467
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a series of his movies with the spines each having

468
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:19.200
a surfboard on them.

469
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:21.200
Yeah, that would be pretty neat, wouldn't it.

470
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.200
All Right, Dave, Well, I tell you what, We've said

471
00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:25.000
a lot about it already, but I know we've got

472
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:26.440
a lot more to cover. So let's go ahead and

473
00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:28.319
take a break and I'm gonna come back. We'll get

474
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:29.480
into let's score.

475
00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:35.559
It all right, everybody, welcome back, Scott. Let's talk about

476
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:39.039
the score of this movie. I know this was done

477
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:43.000
by that Carmen Coppola, the father of Francis Ford Copla.

478
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.640
I know Francis had assistance on it as well, which

479
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.079
I found kind of interesting, and I think they were

480
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.079
looking at somebody else, but I guess they decided to

481
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:52.319
keep it in house with a family.

482
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.279
Yeah, apparently, so I was. I had no idea that

483
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:57.440
there's this family connection.

484
00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:58.720
I get need that.

485
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:06.440
Carmine was Francis, Francis's father, also the father of Talia Shire. Yeah,

486
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.519
we just talked about in a Rocket two episode. But

487
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:15.240
apparently he's been involved in a lot of Coppola's work.

488
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:22.160
He composed The Outsiders, contributed a lot to the Godfather movies,

489
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:27.119
Black Stallion, to name a few, And I think the

490
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.279
choice to bring him in was the right choice. I

491
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.119
don't know if it was an obvious choice necessarily, but

492
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:39.720
I think it's absolutely necessary to see his vision through.

493
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.319
You got to go with somebody you know and trust.

494
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.039
Yeah. Absolutely. And you know, going back to talking about

495
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:48.599
John Mileth a little bit with Big Wednesday, I know

496
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:50.559
during our discussion and if you watch that film, it's

497
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:54.440
got an epic soundtrack in that movie, and I know

498
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:58.119
John Milith had the idea to bring the right of

499
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:01.920
the Valkyrie into this movie. Apparently he's thought that it

500
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:04.359
was gonna be too obvious, that he didn't want to

501
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.279
put it in there, But I'm glad they did because

502
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.759
that is one of the most memorable scenes from this movie.

503
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:16.519
Absolutely well, and aside from the score, there's some significant

504
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.400
needle drops and yes, as you mentioned before, with the doors,

505
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:23.480
right yep, I had read that this was a significant

506
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:29.119
contributor to renewed excitement and interest in the doors, and

507
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.039
you can absolutely see why. Absolutely the end in the

508
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:35.000
beginning is pitch perfect.

509
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:40.000
Yeah. Oh it suits this movie so beautifully, it really does,

510
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.960
and nothing else would have worked. So I'm glad they

511
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.480
utilize the doors for that because yeah, it's it's just fantastic.

512
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:52.279
It fits perfect without question. I know there's like some

513
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.319
other music in here with a Good Times roll susi Q.

514
00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.240
You hear him throughout the movie, more like on the

515
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.400
radio stuff in the background, you know, those kind of

516
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:08.240
things going on, but not the big the big artist

517
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.240
that you would normally hear in movies like Platuna I

518
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.160
think had a pretty big one where you hit a

519
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:13.640
lot of music in the background and stuff like that,

520
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:15.519
But this movie didn't need it. You already had a

521
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:17.759
few things that we needed that worked so well in

522
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:18.200
this movie.

523
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.799
Yeah. Well, at the same time, you know, I don't

524
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:27.839
know much about preceding movies about Vietnam other than how

525
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:32.880
we covered, but it seems like the incorporation of pop

526
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.799
music kind of giving the Vietnam or a soundtrack is

527
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:40.000
definitely something that reverberates and we see carrying through every

528
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:47.119
war picture sentence, specifically with Vietnam. They're they're inseparable.

529
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.599
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. All right, Well, let's quote this, Scott

530
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.000
find any interesting quotes out there.

531
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:59.279
Yeah, I'll go back to a quote from Laurence Fishburg

532
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:02.759
that I found interesting and how much of a turning

533
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.160
point this was for him in his career. He said,

534
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.799
Apocalypse Now was really the beginning of me thinking of

535
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:11.200
myself as an artist. It was the beginning of my

536
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.480
understanding of cinema, and it was the beginning of my

537
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:15.920
understanding of the world. Because I was suddenly taken out

538
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:17.839
of Brooklyn and I was in the Philippines, in the

539
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.319
middle of Asia. I was in a place where most

540
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:22.720
of the people looked like me, So it opened up

541
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.039
a world of possibilities. My work of Francis on Apocalypse

542
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.000
Now and all the films that did afterwards with him,

543
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:32.200
The Cotton Glove, Rumblefish, Gardens of Stone really shaped me

544
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.920
and formed me as an artist. I'm glad that he

545
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.599
got that out of this movie because we benefit from it.

546
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.880
He's an amazing actor. What about you.

547
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.160
Absolutely, So mine's kind of short and sweet, but it

548
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.039
really speaks to Francis Ford Coppola and this film. So

549
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.440
at the nineteen seventy nine Cannes Film Festival, Francis Ford

550
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:57.079
Coppola said about the film, my film is not about Vietnam.

551
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:02.960
It is Vietnam. Yeah, And when I saw that quote

552
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.839
of like, that's all I need because that speaks volume

553
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.400
to what we are discussing today, uh, with this film

554
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:12.880
and with Francis Ford Coppola, because yeah, it isn't it

555
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:16.880
is in fact Vietnam, Scott. Yeah, there's no two ways

556
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:17.720
about that for sure.

557
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:20.079
And as you mentioned that, it just brings to light,

558
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.839
you know, taking the time machine back to when you're

559
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.519
seeing this in the theater. It's nothing long after the

560
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:27.559
end of the Vietnam War.

561
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:28.319
It isn't.

562
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.839
You're right, So the people that may have gone to

563
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:35.880
see this, especially if they're Vets, Like I can't imagine

564
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:39.720
that experience for them or family members of vets going

565
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.319
to that, And I thank them for their service and

566
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.680
their their contribution there, right, but I can't imagine it

567
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.759
at that time. We're watching it forty five years later

568
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.640
and it still has an impact on us. I can't

569
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:53.559
imagine what it meant to people at that time.

570
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.519
See and you make you make a good point there too, Scott.

571
00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:59.640
For anybody who's watching it for the first time today,

572
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:03.400
look at it what people would have looked at it

573
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:06.519
through in nineteen seventy nine when this movie came out,

574
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.000
Just as you said, Scott, we just got out of

575
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:13.880
Vietnam practically, and so many things were changing in the seventies,

576
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.039
not just cinema, but everything else, you know, politically and

577
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.759
stuff like that was also moving in a completely different direction.

578
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.599
And to see the impact of just this film in

579
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.200
itself again, I'm going to use the word the epic

580
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.200
scope that this film has. It's such a huge impact

581
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.400
for everybody. We are, so we have seen so many

582
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:38.000
war movies over the years since this movie that it's

583
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.440
almost commonplace anymore. You know to see you know, the

584
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.680
destruction of a of a person's soul, a soldier soul

585
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:46.440
who's work, you know, fighting in the war. But this

586
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:49.400
movie was something different. This movie was something special when

587
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:51.880
it came out in nineteen seventy nine, you know. And

588
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:53.519
let's go ahead and talk about the impact. We'll come

589
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:55.000
back to some of the whatifs, because I know there's

590
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:56.400
a lot there to do, and we'll come back to

591
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:59.559
the rewind. Let's talk about the impact of this movie,

592
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.079
because I mean we're already talking about it right now.

593
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:06.680
What it did to cinema. You know, this thing was huge.

594
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.279
I know we had The Deer Hunter the year before,

595
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:13.720
but come on, Apocalypse Now was in a league of

596
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:15.000
its own. Would you grief Scott?

597
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.960
Absolutely? And I mean, you know, thinking about how war

598
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:27.599
movies were presented before this, most times, if you're looking

599
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:29.960
at like a World War two movie or something like that,

600
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:33.240
there are a lot of instances where it's you know,

601
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:39.240
the heroic nature of the protagonist in the movie that

602
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:42.039
clearly has an objective and you're rooting for them, and

603
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.519
you know, uh now that we're not I guess kind

604
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.880
of supporting Willard as he's going through his journey, but

605
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.720
it's definitely not something where it's seen as just an

606
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:58.240
action movie. It's seeing the impact of war, the deeper

607
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:03.400
meaning of war and how it can have effects. That's

608
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:05.880
spread out in a lot of different ways. And I

609
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:12.360
think this and Deer Hunter had important influences on coming

610
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:18.119
back to Vietnam often. Yeah, it's a topic that was

611
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:22.599
pursued a lot in cinema, like you mentioned Platoon to

612
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:28.280
name a few, But I think it helps to raise

613
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.079
awareness of the human experience of having to go through that,

614
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:35.719
and I hope it raised people's awareness to the impact

615
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:41.199
has had on veterans and their families and how much

616
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:46.039
we need to be respectful of that and appreciate what

617
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:46.920
they had to go through.

618
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.239
And it's going back to what we talked about, you know,

619
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.440
going deeper and deeper into hell. You know, you've got Willard,

620
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:56.840
who we already see is struggling to begin of this movie,

621
00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:00.440
and then we progress with the story, we learn his

622
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.360
mission that he has to go you know, kill Kurts,

623
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:07.400
assassinate him, and then he goes off to find Kilgore,

624
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.360
who's got the helicopters, who's going to take him further

625
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:14.599
into you know, the war, what's going on? And we

626
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:18.000
see more and more of Vietnam, the destruction of it,

627
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.760
of people getting killed, innocent people get let's talk about

628
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.159
the you know the scene where they find those innocent

629
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:26.199
people who are in the boat. They pull them up

630
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:30.079
to check on them, and you know, they think they

631
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.840
they're hiding something, you know, and then they just shoot

632
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.639
all of them because the girl takes off running and

633
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.000
she was just going to go save her dog. You know,

634
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.280
she was only concerned about her puppy who she had

635
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.679
hidden and was just trying to protect it. And then

636
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.199
they all just go and kill these innocent people. You

637
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:47.280
just get different levels of the hell as you move

638
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:50.199
along in this movie until you get to that final

639
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:55.079
layer where Willard meets Kurtz and you've already lost so

640
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.440
many people along the way. I mean, even the oddball

641
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.840
scenes with the playmates, you know, you got that's going

642
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:04.639
on because you know, the soldiers need something to look at.

643
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.079
And I know that's not the correct way of saying it,

644
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.920
but you know what I mean, because you know, we

645
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.679
definitely want to respect everybody, but you know, in Vietnam, soldiers,

646
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:15.639
you know you want something there to you know, to

647
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.320
at least appease their mind of what's going on to

648
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:20.719
the horrors of the war. But then you have the

649
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.400
other piece of that too. When they were in the helicopter,

650
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:29.159
they exchanged fuel or times with the girls, which to

651
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:30.960
me is one of the most awkward scenes in this

652
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:36.159
movie inside that helicopter with those playmates. I struggled watching

653
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:37.960
that scene. Scott. I don't know about you, but it

654
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:40.440
just felt so weird.

655
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:47.840
Yeah, there's definitely, in my opinion, nothing sexual about it. Yeah,

656
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:52.679
it's very much about you know. I mean, even though

657
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.800
Chef is, you know, taking off his pants, and there's

658
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:02.559
just different ways that they're they're interacting with them and

659
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.760
you can see that it's it's not it may be

660
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:10.480
partially about sex, but it's not all about that. It's

661
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:17.280
not necessarily romantic either. It's it's almost, ah, I don't know,

662
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:21.079
it's like scientific observation or something like that, trying to

663
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.519
look at how they're interacting with each other. It's a

664
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.280
it's another look into what they're going through. And as

665
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.519
you said, it's not necessarily like I mean, they are

666
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:36.199
objectified when they're dancing around on the platform, but when

667
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.719
the soldiers get time with them, they're spending that time

668
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.159
trying to make human connection right, but they're just going

669
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:47.480
about it in very awkward ways, very unexpected ways, especially

670
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:53.000
with all the birds. Like what was that? But but

671
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:57.920
very very interesting. It's also like something you said reminded

672
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.599
me of kind of the journey that Willard is taking

673
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:07.840
toward Kurtz when he meets Scott Glenn, Oh, yeah, as

674
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:13.199
his predecessor that was sent to complete.

675
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.880
The same mission but ended up joining him.

676
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:20.760
Joining Kurts. The thought process that Willard must be going

677
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.639
through to say, like, as I get closer and closer

678
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.840
to Kurtz, will I be able to do what I

679
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.840
need to do? What am I going to find when

680
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:33.679
I get there? Am I destined to have the same

681
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.760
fate as Scott Glenn's character? All of that wrapped up

682
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.960
in what he experiences when he finally gets there has

683
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.480
got to be mind boggling what he was going through there.

684
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.679
Yeah, and you see just all of this discussion that

685
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:50.719
just boiling for when you talk about this movie more

686
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.280
and more. There's so many layers to this film that

687
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:56.800
if you just watch it, the journey of Willard and

688
00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:00.199
the people he's with on his mission, it just it

689
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:02.559
really it's like an onion man. You start stripping away

690
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.119
all these layers and you get deeper and deeper into

691
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.320
the core, you know, to you know, to get to

692
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.840
the end of this movie. It's really a neat thing

693
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:12.679
to watch unravel, which is why this movie is such

694
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:13.800
a masterpiece.

695
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:18.000
Yeah, and that's definitely one that needs to be watched, right. Yeah,

696
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:22.039
if you're a casual movie fan, I understand it's a

697
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.320
three hour investment. A lot of these epic movies three

698
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.400
hour investments. But for for movie fans specifically, it feels

699
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:36.000
like it's required reading. It's definitely not pleasant, so buckle

700
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.039
up when you go to watch it. But I can

701
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.960
see why it's considered to be an essential movie to watch.

702
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.920
Right, absolutely, All right, Scot, let's talk with some about

703
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:47.880
the what ifs. There's a lot of them in this movie.

704
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:49.320
I don't know if we had to get them all covered,

705
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.119
but what did you uncover?

706
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:57.599
Well, some some different people that were considered for Willard, uh.

707
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.079
The first choice apparently was Steve McQueen, who didn't want

708
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:07.039
to leave in America for a long time. And apparently

709
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.480
al pat you know, and Flinney's Food agreed because they

710
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:14.760
also turned down the role. Yeah, Jack Nicholson, Robert Redford,

711
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:20.320
and James Kahn were offered either Kurtz or Willard. There's

712
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:21.840
a bunch of big names right there.

713
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:23.320
That's a lot of big names.

714
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:25.360
What about you? What did you find so?

715
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.280
One of the things I found it interesting, I didn't

716
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.880
know George Lucas was originally set to direct this film. Neither.

717
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:33.840
I did not either. When I read them, I'm like what?

718
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:38.079
And then apparently he dropped out, you know the the

719
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:40.280
I guess he had an initial plan to shoot the

720
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.280
movie as a fake documentary on location in South Vietnam,

721
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:46.920
and I guess the movie just didn't progress far enough.

722
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.880
And I guess with him backing out and everything, I

723
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.239
guess it costs some friction between him and Francis Ford

724
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:56.840
Coppola my understanding, and George Lucas he's been admits that

725
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:59.639
this is the point where he lost his good friendship

726
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.639
with Francis Ford Copla was because of this movie. I'm

727
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.400
glad we got Francis for Copa, not George Lucas. No offense,

728
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.519
but I don't know what we would have gotten if

729
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:11.480
we had George.

730
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:15.760
I think we're I think we're better for it because

731
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:19.280
as a result of that, we get Coppola's version of Apocalypse.

732
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:21.719
Now we get Lucas being able to do Star Wars.

733
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.559
So obviously everything benefits aside from the friendship, which is

734
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:26.320
which is shame to hear.

735
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.480
Right, Yeah, no, absolutely, I know one time too. Wasn't

736
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:35.079
Orphan Wells attached to this film somewhere? The role Kurts?

737
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.159
Was it Kirts? I think he was offered. That would

738
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:39.679
have been That.

739
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:43.599
Would have been interesting. I would have wanted to see

740
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.480
it cast in the same way that it would be

741
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:53.119
very interesting to see an absolutely bald Orson Wells. Yeah,

742
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:53.960
in that role.

743
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.719
That's right, But so many different in so many weird

744
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.639
things I suppose could have happened with all the different

745
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.400
But as big as the movie is and was, I'm

746
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:07.239
not surprised to see all these names that were at all.

747
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:10.079
Yeah, all right, well, Dave, let's take another quick break,

748
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.519
as we have to in many epic kind of discussions.

749
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:16.480
We'll take a little bit of a break and when

750
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.000
we come back we'll get into the rewind.

751
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:24.639
All right, everybody, welcome back. Let's rewind and talk about

752
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:26.800
a little bit more of this film. Any likes or

753
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:30.719
dislikes that we may have scott any likes dislikes. I

754
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:32.760
know there's a lot alike about this film, but who knows.

755
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:33.320
What do you got?

756
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:37.360
Well, some interesting things that you hadn't discussed yet. I

757
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:43.280
thought the scene gathering mangoes with Chef was a great conversation, Yes,

758
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:47.159
because it seemed like it was even though it resulted

759
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:50.840
in something very dangerous with the tiger attack, it felt

760
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:55.000
like a great connection moment for them to be able

761
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.440
to get into the depth a chef as a side character.

762
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:01.800
But at the same time, it just felt like it

763
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:05.760
was that constant tension that leads to them saying never

764
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:08.760
get off the boat. But I thought that was it

765
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:09.800
was a good scene to add.

766
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.280
Yeah, and he even he said don't get off the boat.

767
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.760
Don't get off the boat. Absolutely, I'll repeat it. So, yeah,

768
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:17.760
I wouldn't get off the boat, that's for sure.

769
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:18.960
What about you?

770
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.199
So there's so much to like about this movie. One

771
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.360
of the biggest things I told you was kil Gore's introduction.

772
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:27.519
I absolutely love that movie. That scene. I loved it,

773
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:29.920
loved it, loved it. And it's funny too because I'm

774
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.760
going to connect it to something Star Wars, which is

775
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.599
George Lucas. If you've seen any of the animated the

776
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.599
Clone Wars, it really had that vibe.

777
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.159
Oh that's interesting with.

778
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:41.920
Everything that was going on in the background. You got

779
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.440
you got a ship coming down, with the commander coming out,

780
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:47.840
moving into the action of what's going on, and meeting

781
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:50.480
people into talking about them as you know, the helicopter

782
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:52.159
leaves in the background, all the kind of things. You

783
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.639
can see it right of what happens in the Clone Wars.

784
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:56.840
You know, I know it's a weird connection because we're

785
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.360
talking about Vietnam, and but you know, it really had

786
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.320
that that vibe. But so much going on in the background.

787
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.239
And speaking of that, one of the things I found

788
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.239
very interesting is apparently they had to redoub almost all

789
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.800
the dialogue, which makes sense because think about what's going

790
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:15.360
on in that background, the helicopters, all the noise, so

791
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.800
they had I think they had redoub almost the entire

792
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:21.360
film when it came to those kind of scenes. I

793
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.599
can't imagine having to go through that because you couldn't

794
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:25.360
hear them. There's no way that could have been audible

795
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.000
with those helicopters coming in like that and leaving no way.

796
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.079
Yeah. Yeah, at the same at the same time you

797
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.320
lose maybe that the ambient noise with them. But it's yes, yeah,

798
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.480
it was a good call because if we lost any

799
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.119
of that dialogue, I think that would have changed this

800
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:40.920
movie for sure.

801
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:42.880
Oh it would have been devastating to it. There's there's

802
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:46.320
no doubt about that. So one of the another thing

803
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:48.199
that I a couple of things I want to talk

804
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:51.760
about here with with the rewind. One of those is

805
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.920
the very okay so in the in the Deer Hunter,

806
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:58.000
remember our discussion, we said that, you know, the beginning

807
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:04.079
felt so long, so slow, and we kind of struggled

808
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:06.719
with a little bit, right, yep, I feel this movie

809
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.239
has the opposite problem. I felt the ending was kind

810
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:13.000
of long. I understand a lots going on, and we're

811
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.679
discussing about the different layers and stuff like that. I

812
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:18.000
just felt the whole ending piece where he's already met

813
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:21.760
Kurts and it's all drawn out. I understand we're trying

814
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:24.880
to go through maybe seeing some more madness going on

815
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.960
within Willard's head, but it just felt a lot of

816
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:32.360
that was drawn out. In my opinion. I could even see,

817
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.679
like the French scene, you know what I'm talking about.

818
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.639
I couldn'ven see that scene could have been cut? In

819
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:42.519
my opinion, that's me. I don't want to pick on it,

820
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:43.800
but you just what I'm saying.

821
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:46.440
I do. And it's interesting to bring that up because

822
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:51.400
I forgot to do that. It was even in the movie.

823
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.440
But I remember when watching it this time to prep

824
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:58.840
for this episode thinking what a hell of a time

825
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:02.280
for somebody to go get popcorn? Yeah, Like, can you imagine,

826
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.719
like you get up before they're on the plantation and

827
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:07.800
then you come back and you're like, what how'd they get?

828
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:09.880
Is this a dream sequence? How they end up in

829
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:15.920
this house? Very jarring? And I think when you mentioned

830
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:18.119
like the end scene, I agree it did seem kind

831
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.400
of drawn out, and it seemed like the ending that

832
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:27.519
I had seen felt somewhat anti climactic with all the

833
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.800
build up that we had. But knowing that that end

834
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:34.400
scene had to do a lot because it wasn't just

835
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:36.679
about like, Okay, how can he get close enough to

836
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:38.599
kill Kurtz and then how does he get out without

837
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:39.280
getting killed?

838
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:39.800
Right?

839
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.639
It also had to answer the question, so what does

840
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:49.360
he have over the people around him? What his endeared

841
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.719
them to consider him to be a DemoGod? What exactly

842
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:57.360
is it? So you have to spend that time learning

843
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.880
how different people are seeing him with the Hopper's character,

844
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.960
the different kind of methods he has, the the attitudes

845
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:11.239
of the people around him. There's a lot to unpack there.

846
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.880
But it did feel like, after that long on the boat,

847
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:16.400
when is this guy gonna die?

848
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:17.360
Exactly?

849
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:18.119
Yeah?

850
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:20.119
Yeah, but you're right. I mean there's a lot to unpack.

851
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.079
You've got this whole journey to get to him. You

852
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.559
can't just do it quickly because then you would feel cheated, right, right,

853
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:28.360
So I understand some of that as well. I just

854
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.079
maybe it may it could have been done a little

855
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.760
bit differently, but but then that's just me. It's funny

856
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.000
that you mentioned Dennis Hopper though, too, do what a

857
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:36.960
weird character?

858
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.440
Oh my god, I mean considering how much we've seen

859
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:45.440
of Dennis Hopper since then, Yeah, that seems like, sure, yeah,

860
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:47.599
that's Dennis Hopper.

861
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:48.760
Okay, we get it now.

862
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:54.239
But yeah, very interesting that that Hopper and Brando had

863
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:59.360
some uh some clashes on the set, and then there

864
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:05.760
was genuine and anger from Brando to Hopper. So a

865
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.440
great performance, I think, but definitely.

866
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:14.039
Definitely Field, yeah, absolutely, And then the other piece is

867
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.639
I guess they really slaughtered that water buffalo. Yeah, that

868
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:21.480
was real, dude. That was hard to watch after knowing that,

869
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:22.320
very hard.

870
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.559
It was hard to watch during that. Yeah, yeah, even

871
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:31.440
if that's fake that yeah yeah.

872
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:34.079
Oh my goodness, I just can't imagine that actually happening.

873
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.079
I know. The only other time I know a real

874
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.360
animal was killed on the set was the original Friday

875
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.679
the thirteenth, the Snake. They actually chopped the head of

876
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:45.760
the snake off and they weren't supposed to. But then

877
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:48.880
this one, this one takes the cake, because goodness.

878
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.760
It's very visceral. It's a lot of build up because

879
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:55.639
there's all the ceremony that precedes the act, and then

880
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:57.360
when you see it, it's kind of like, well, I'm

881
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.400
off burgers for a while. That's that's me a stick.

882
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:05.320
And there's another scene that that kind of surprised me

883
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.960
because it almost seemed like a red herring scene. And

884
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.360
I'm thinking of the USO okay platform that they write

885
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.920
up on had kind of a thunderdome vibe in my opinion,

886
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:17.480
with all the lights and all this other kind of

887
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:20.599
stuff when they were rolling up to that and I

888
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:24.159
first saw the movie, I was thinking, oh, well, this

889
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:28.039
is Kurtzland. Yeah, this is where he is, because it's like,

890
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.039
you know, in the middle of all this giant bright

891
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.679
lights that looks like Coney Island. So that was kind

892
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.440
of a jarring scene to see at the beginning, and

893
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.880
it made it seem even longer because they was like,

894
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.480
well that's not him. Oh man, we still have a

895
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:45.039
long way to.

896
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:46.679
Go, and you look like how far are we into

897
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:47.519
this movie already?

898
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:48.360
Yeah, I check that.

899
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:53.199
Watch Yeah? Absolutely no, All right, Scott, where did you watch?

900
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:53.400
Is that?

901
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:57.199
So? I know it's available on a lot of platforms

902
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:01.719
right now to rent. I highly recommend seeing it on

903
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:06.039
blue RAYSI get into special features. I personally saw it

904
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:09.280
on a platform called Plex okay, yeah, which is running

905
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:11.320
it for free right now. You have to endure some

906
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:16.679
ads which come at unfortunate times, but if you're feeling

907
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:21.199
budget constraints, I would recommend that, or, as I always do,

908
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:23.679
go to the library. Just go ahead and get that

909
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:26.320
physical copy and see it the way it was intended.

910
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:29.320
Yeah, what about you? Absolutely so I actually ended up

911
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.360
watching it on Plex as well. I thought I had

912
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.760
owned a copy of this film, and I've looked everywhere

913
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:36.559
for it and I can't find it, so, which is

914
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.559
really irritates because I'm pretty sure I owned it. Where'd

915
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:42.039
it go? I don't know. Maybe it's in Jeff's library now.

916
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.519
Maybe he took it for me as for spite for

917
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:46.320
for keeping the other movie from him for so long.

918
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:46.719
I don't know.

919
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:49.000
He's holding it to get his happy Gilmoark back.

920
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.840
Exactly, so I'll to keep looking for me. I ended

921
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:53.480
up watching it on Plex as well, just like you did.

922
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.039
So yeah, all right, so well as always, I want

923
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:59.559
to thank our listeners and for listening in on us

924
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:03.800
and I'm discussing Apocalypse now. It is a pretty epic movie.

925
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:06.199
If you've not seen it, definitely go check it out

926
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.079
because it deserves to be seen by everybody at least once.

927
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.440
Because I will defend that it is a cinematic masterpiece.

928
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:14.519
There's no doubt in my mind.

929
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.280
Absolutely. Yeah. I'm glad we had to just talk about it.

930
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.480
Me too. So if you want to reach us, you

931
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.400
can find us at www dot a film by podcast

932
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.280
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933
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:26.920
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934
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.039
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935
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.800
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936
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.880
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