A Film at 45 - Dusting Off '78 With Our Top 5!

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Hello everyone, I'm Jeff Johnson,
and welcome to a very special episode from

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a Film by podcast. Following the
popularity of our limited series nineteen eighty six,

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we asked two of the breakout stars
to come back and give us something

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different, and so for the past
six months, David Burns and Scott Hoffman

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have been looking at some of Hollywood's
biggest and best movies that are celebrating a

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forty fifth anniversary this year. They
are with me today to deliver their top

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five films of nineteen seventy eight.
Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode

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of a Film at forty five.
Let's get into a show that's dusting off

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the end of a decade that changed
cinema forever with the fresh look at modern

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classics and hidden gem for we can't
stop watching. There are a ton of

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gentlemen. Thank you for being here
today, and actually thank you for what

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has been a fantastic series on nineteen
seventy eight movies. It has been a

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pleasure. And I cannot believe how
fast it went. Scott, I really

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can't me neither. Yeah, when
you said six months, it's like,

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really, it's only been that long, But it's been that Long's it's been

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crazy. No, I appreciate you
giving us a chance to you know,

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take a run at this and looking
back at some of these things we knew

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we were going to love. There's
a bunch that run this list that are

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that are automatic favorites, but there
are a bunch that we were discovering,

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you know, either for the first
time or kind of with fresh eyes.

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And I think it's the right time
to do it. I think there are

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a lot of people that are going
to be looking for these movies. Um

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kind of struck by how long ago
it actually was that they came out,

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in the fact we're still talking about
them, right, And I hope a

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lot of people got enjoyment out of
this, because I tell you, not

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only was it fun to do it
with you, Scott, but um,

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I did not realize how much of
an impact a lot of these movies in

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nineteen seventy eight had on everything that
I have seen since after that. So,

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right, you know, I got
something out of it as well,

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just going back and diving into these
older films. So it was a fun

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time. Yeah. Yeah, it
was also a little surprising how how little

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of nineteen seventy eight there actually was
in these movies. I was expecting a

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lot more to like, you know, big hair and billbottoms and whatnot.

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A lot of time machines is this
year. So we did go back to

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the fifties a lot. Yeah,
a little bit, A little bit.

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Yeah, well, you guys just
should go back to the fifties. I

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mean, you went, you went
on location to do an episode. You

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were you were at the House of
Plastic, uh vintage toy store, and

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you had some some pretty uh,
pretty awesome guests. I mean, let's

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let's take a few minutes just to
just to talk about some of them.

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Um, and with Jerome. You
know, you guys had a fantastic episode

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there at the House of Plastic talking
about you know, talking about Paranha.

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Yeah, it's always a fun time
to talk to Jerome. It's even better

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time when you get to visit his
store and get to look at all the

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goodies that he has there. But
you know, he always brings it when

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he comes to our podcast and talks
about it. And that was a really

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good time because I knew when we
were talking about doing seventy eight and we

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were talking about putting Paranha in there. Right away, I say you know

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what, Jerome's gonna be a perfect
guest for this, and he sure was.

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Yeah, he definitely was, especially
when you think about the connection that

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he had to that movie and what
it meant to him personally. I think

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that's one of the cool things that
we kind of uncovered with some of these

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is you know, you might remember
from seeing one, you know, late

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night or when I first came out
or whatever, but there are also a

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lot of connections that people have to
these things. And it is cool to

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hear that from from Jerome And absolutely
one of the best places to shoot on

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location in the middle of Cincinnati's best
shop for collectibles and toys to take you

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back m you know, being there
and just being surrounded by all that memorabilia

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and all those kind of things.
For something like this where we're just geeking

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out on pop culture, that's absolutely
where you want to be. And he

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was one of the one of the
one of my favorite, one of my

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favorite guests. And we've been lucky
to have some amazing guests on this podcast.

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Yeah, I would have been full
of them. I want to talk

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about another another amazing guest. It's
it's when you're talking about a film that

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is iconic for its character as much
as as it is it's music. I

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cannot think of a better person for
you guys to talk to. Um then

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composer and uh and horror model Chad
Cochrane. You guys had him on Halloween

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of all movies that was that was
a spectacular episode. I love that one.

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Yeah, Chad always brings it to
when he talks about horror movies.

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I loved his insight on not just
for the fact that you know, he

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got went to school, you know, to start learning filmmaking, and then

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his realization that when he was there
that he actually appreciated and loved the music

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more. Uh, you know,
which is saying a lot, because he

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loves making movies. And you know
his talk about the difference between Jason and

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Michael, you know, in their
mannerisms and stuff like that. And he

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performs extremely well when he does our
photo films. But yeah, he was

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a great guest. I knew he
would be bring it when he came on.

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Yeah, and I mean, you
know, talk about kind of having

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an influence and an impact. You
know, this is one where you see

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personally how it influences somebody that not
only loves the movie, but gets into

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the nuances of it, the intricacies
of it to really analyze it. But

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looking at it fresh and knowing that
it never gets stale for for Chad or

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for people like us. And then
you go even further and you get some

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perspective from inside the suit, you
know, um, having been that horror

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model as Michael being able to say, like you know, um, kind

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of give his perspective on what it
means to kind of emulate what was happening

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there on the original movie. UM, and uh, how it has an

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impact on on what he does.
So that was That was a great poll.

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I'm glad we got it in yep, me too. I want to

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talk about two other guys here,
So you had to you had to go

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to when when when we're talking about
the mother of all college comedies, you

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had to go to the number one
fan for for Animal House. I'm talking

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about Dayton Johnson from the Docking Base
seventy seven podcast. Again, fantastic episode,

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a lot of fun. Uh,
talking about a film I I hadn't

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seen in probably thirty years, and
I you know, just hearing hearing Dayton,

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hearing you guys talk about that one, I couldn't wait to pull that

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one up and uh and give it
another watch. It's always a good time

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to talk to Dayton. Uh.
You know, I was enjoying my time

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on docu Base seventy seven when we're
breaking down movies and stuff like that together.

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But to get to him to join
us on a film at forty five

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to talk about Animal House was just
it had to be done. You know,

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we all knew the love that Dayton
had for that film, so clearly

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he was gonna be the one that
was gonna, you know, guess with

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us. But you know, just
getting to talk to him about a film

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that, just like you said,
Jeff, that I have not seen in

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an extremely long time. You know, sometimes when you haven't seen him in

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twenty fifteen, thirty, you know, thirty years, whatever, they're almost

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like new to you again, you
know, they're like fresh. And getting

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to see those and those those new
set of eyes again with somebody who loves

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the movie so much was just an
absolute blast. Yeah. I mean,

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for for a movie that is as
much about the film as it is about

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the soundtrack, Dayton is absolutely who
you want to talk to. It's always

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a blast joining him for for Doctor
Bay seventy seven, but also just listening

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to the episodes that he has where
he gets into the different albums and movies

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and how they kind of come together. For for me, a movie like

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Animal House is something where, um, I'm I'm more familiar with it in

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clips than I am the entire movie, you know what I mean. There's

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so many iconicum scenes that you just
automatically know, and for anybody who's never

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seen it, it's almost like you've
you've practically seen the movie because it's so

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much into the pop culture today.
But um, to talk about that with

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him and um and and how much
he loves that movie that was that was

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a big treat. Dave. You
just you you just mentioned, uh,

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seeing seeing things new again, UM, one that I thought was great because

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you guys, this wasn't seeing it
new again for you, this was seeing

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it new for the first time.
You guys had a chance to talk with

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Jason Colvin from the Sureley You Can't
Be Serious podcast on one of his favorite

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films of nineteen seventy eight. Um, uh the Mystery, the comedy Mystery

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foul Play. That that was all
again just hearing you know, Jason's been

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on the show several times. You
guys were always like, we never get

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to talk to Jason, and we
finally got got that opportunity to get the

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three of you together again. Another
another great episode. Fun to hear the

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three of you interact for the first
time, you know it. Uh,

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you're right. I told Jason I
believe during the podcast. You know,

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it's about time that we get some
Jason time in talking to him during the

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podcast to foul play. But what
what not better way film and better film

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than to explore with him than foul
Play? Um, you're right. The

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first time I've seen this movie.
Um, I knew about it, but

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I never watched it. So getting
to see it for the first time in

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talking to Jason about it just,
uh, you know, it opened minds

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on how good that movie was.
I laughed so much in that movie and

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it kind of like, I can't
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It's almost embarrassing, you know,
and the love that Jason has for it.

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It was nice to explore it.
But yeah, what a great time

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with Jason Scott. I'm just wondering, because it's been it's been about a

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month now, is the Barry Manilow
song still stuck in your head like it

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is mine. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, it's rolling around in

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my head right now. I was
ready to take a chance again with that

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movie. Yeah. I mean,
you know, absolute aunitor to be on

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with with Jason, because surely you
can't be serious. Podcast to me is

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one of the podcasts that I look
up to as one of those gold standards

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of you know, how to do
a podcast extremely well. And you know,

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knowing that he's a friend of ours, a friend of the podcast,

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getting to talk to him for the
first time was absolutely a highlight. He

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definitely brings the background that in FO
I'm always amazed at how well Jason and

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d get into the u to everything
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It's a pop culture theme songs.
Those episodes blew me away. But

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yeah, getting into foul play,
you know again, you know, it's

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one that wasn't near and dear to
me, but hearing somebody talk from that

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perspective and kind of share what they
mean, what it means to them,

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but also to you know, get
into some of these places where we were

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kind of discovering some artists on there
for the first time. It was such

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a young chevy. It's such a
young Goldie Hawn in that movie. It

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was It was great to get into
that um. It definitely was a murder

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mystery comedy that had a lot of
twists and turns um and it was really

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cool to explore with them, and
it was definitely far out. I know,

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I know our listeners are anxious to
hear about these the that's the five

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films that you guys are gonna say
are the best of nineteen seventy eight.

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But one last guest that I'd like
to bring up, Uh, you guys

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had a super time talking with with
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Aaron Smolinsky, who just happened to
be in Superman the movie. You know,

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that's an experience I never thought I
would get. U You know,

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if I could go back and tell
my like young self, that Hey,

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you're gonna get to talk to somebody
who is in this movie, I would

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just blew my mind as a kid, And it blew my mind too as

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an adult that I get to,
you know, talk to somebody who actually

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was in the Superman movie. What
an experience that was. What a treat

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it was to talk to Aaron about
his experience working on that movie. And

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you know, in talking about his
career. But one of the things that

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he mentioned that just gave me chills
was when he was talking about he got

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the see Christopher Reeve fly. That
just gave me chosen. He's good,

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me chosen now, you know,
just just talking about that and hearing what

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he had to say about that,
just my goodness, just it makes me

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giddy. Yeah, yeah, Dave, this is one of those telepathic moments

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when you read my mind. Man, Um, wait, can you read

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my mind? Interesting? But yeah, no, I was. I was

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thinking of the exact same thing.
You know. Um, we were.

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We were honored by two surprise guests
thanks to Jeff. We had that lovely

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interro from Valerie Bryan m that the
Jeff spoke about earlier in the podcast.

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If you haven't caught that episode,
please check that out. But somebody who

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grew up with a direct personal experience
with Superman, you know you mentioned that

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that scene, you know, um, being right there in the moment when

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he literally sees Christopher Reeve take off
and fly, and you know, he

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knows about the rig, he knows
how it happens, but to be there

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in that moment and to see what
he but Christopher, he put into that

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is unforgettable. And he had so
many great experiences talking about his connection to

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the legacy of Superman for when he
was baby kellel to the more recent experience

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with a Man of Steel and his
own projects that he's working on where he's

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stepping into the shoes of Alex Luthor. He was amazing to speak with.

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I'm so happy we got that time. I feel like I could have talked

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to him for hours about that kind
of stuff. But yeah, he was.

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He was amazing. So thank you
for joining us therein all right,

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well, I think it's time to
find out what are the top five for

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you guys when it comes to nineteen
seventy eight. Now you both, you

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know, are unaware of your picks. You know you know each other's picks.

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I gotta be honest. At first, I was surprised to see how

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different your list were, and then
and then I wasn't surprised because I started

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thinking about all the great films in
this in this year and all the great

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ones that you covered, And then
it became a situation of man, how

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do you leave that one off?
Or how do you how do you not

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talk about that one? And you
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are some obvious uh similarities towards the
top of the list. Um, you

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guys definitely took different paths getting there. So let's start off with your number

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five picks. Okay, uh,
we're because we're talking about a ragtag group

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of soldiers and a rock and roll
biopick. So Scott, let's talk about

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your number five the Buddy Holly story. Yeah. So um, for me,

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I went back to the beginning of
this, you know, thinking about

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movies that I probably never would have
picked up off the shelf. Working at

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Suncoast, I saw Gary Busey like
staring at me with his you know,

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guitar in hand and kind of that
that cock eyed look. But it's never

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it's never one that I pulled.
And then once I saw this, I

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was amazed at how good the movie
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it was very well done. You
get the acting, the directing, the

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soundtrack obviously is something that's pretty iconic. But then learning more about Buddy Holly's

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life pretty early in our in our
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one that I went back to a
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of refresh my memory and get ready
for the show, but because I wanted

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to see it a couple of times
and it had me looking more into Buddy

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Holly's life and more of his music. So as far as an impact that

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I had on me, this is
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in the in the top five slot. Dave your number five pick. This

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was the last episode, this was
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So I'm not sure. I'll just
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But is it just it was it
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that fourced ten from Navarone is just
that good to be in the top five.

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To me, it deserves to be
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you know my love of history,
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I've got a historical film that's going
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this incredible cast that you got in
this movie, and not only that,

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but I got I finally got to
see the what what they saw in Harrison

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Ford to become Indiana Jones. There's
so many connections to this movie that you

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will see later on, actors and
stuff like that. He would pop up

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in Indiana Jones later on. But
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else in his younger days, that's
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A Jones, And I got to
see, you know, I got to

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see him in a in a role
that you know, I didn't expect,

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you know, Like I said in
the podcast, I you know, I

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remember to hit them bits of this, but I didn't remember a lot of

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it. So going back and getting
to see it again, you know,

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really refreshed that in my mind.
But um, you know, Carl Weathers,

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you know, I don't remember much
of him from the movie, but

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seeing that again and getting getting to
see how good he was in that film,

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you know, watching the scene that
where he was at the truck and

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he you know, they were in
a hurry but he didn't want to leave.

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That scene really stuck with me,
you know, in his performance,

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in his acting. Again. I
know he's coming off a rocky of his

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success, but this isn't another movie
that I never really remember seeing him in,

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So on top of the rest of
the cast, it was just a

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very phenomenal experience to see again was
a fresh in my mind when I went

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through the top five. Sure,
maybe, but looking at it all,

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the whole thing as a big picture. Now it deserves me in the top

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five. Well, let's talk about
your number four picks. Now, you

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guys could not have gone uh,
you could not have gone further away from

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each other on genre here, which
I'm glad to hear, by the way,

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because Dave, I gotta say,
like, when I was honestly putting

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this list together, I was like, oh, but is he going to

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pick this one? We're always talking
about all this ye. So, so

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Scott picks a Scott picks a remake
of a of a classic classic sci fi

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horror film, and uh, and
Dave goes back to campus. So Scott,

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let's talk about Invasion of the Body
Snatchers. Yeah, this is This

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is one of the first ones that
I watched for the show, um,

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you know, before, way before
we even covered it. Once I saw

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it was available, I had to
check it out. And this one blew

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me away. Like as far as
being something that um was surprising, captivating,

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fresh, um, the the special
effects and the acting and the tension,

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um it was it was so well
done. Um. Whenever I think

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about this series, this is always
one of the standouts to me because it

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still creeps me out, just kind
of thinking about especially the scene with Donald

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settling on the patio and he's seeing, you know, his own pod and

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old other kind of stuff. It
was. It was done so well.

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Um that this is one where you
know, if anybody's going to ask about,

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what are something that I should see, what are something that kind of

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stand out? Um, this is
one that I that I highly recommend pretty

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early and often, especially because I
know that some of these other movies that

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we've covered are very very iconic and
a lot of people know them, things

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like Grease and Superman and things like
that. But this is one where you

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know, again kind of like Buddy
Holly. It was always kind of looking

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at me from the shelf, but
I've never gone to pick it up,

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and I'm glad we did because it
was it was one of the best in

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my opinion. Well to that,
I would ask you this, Scott,

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this because Invasion of the Body Snatchers
has been done four times. We had

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the original in the fifties, we
had this one in seventy eight, you

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get another one in the nineties,
and then late two thousand or what two

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thousand and six, two thousand and
seven, we get one. Where does

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this one rank as far as the
four of them. Is this at the

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top of the list for you or
is it? Yeah, I'd say this

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is the top of the list.
You know, you would think that more

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recent iterations would be would kind of
knock it out of its top spot with

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you know, advancements in special effects
and obviously people kind of learning from it

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and kind of building on it.
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feels like it never really it kind
of builds on where they are going with

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the original, but it doesn't necessarily
replace it. Even with the you know,

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you would think it would be so
dated that it would be so easy

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to see the wires and all this
other kind of stuff that it would be

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laughable, But absolutely not the case. I think it's one of the ones

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that has the best heart and the
best you know, standing quality of those

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visual effects for this one. So
yeah, for me, it's always the

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one from seventy eight, Dave who
put all the Phizzies in the swimming pool

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good Bye Animal House, Dave.
That's right. This has to be my

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top five just for what it did
to the comedy genre to you know,

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college, those kind of things.
The experience I have with you know,

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talking to Dayton about it. But
you know John Belushi and himself, you

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know what he brought to that movie. And you know, mentioning in that

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podcast I talk about I wish he
got to live, you know, longer,

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because you know, I really think
that if they had done a biopic

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on Abbott and Costello that obviously he
would have been in that, and he

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probably would have been nominated for an
Academy Award for being in that, because

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you know, I never really I
didn't realize that until I watched his performance

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again in Animal House and preparing for
the podcast. But you know, so

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much, so many one liners in
that movie, so many scenes in that

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movie. You just remember that.
You know, I was just thinking about

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him. You're just gonna start giggling
and laughing again, you know. You

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know I would revisit some of those
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we watched and we did that podcast, I've pulled him up on YouTube and

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watch some of those scenes again.
And because you can watch them over and

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over and over and it never wears
itself out. You know, again,

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another Donald Sutherland movie, since we
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but um, you know, so
many good actors came from that movie.

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You know, Kevin Bacon getting you
know, his role going on. Let's

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talk about Karen Allen again. I'm
gonna back to any Inna Jones. It

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seems like we keep wrapping back around
to that because you know, getting to

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see her in her underties, and
you obviously could see marying in her.

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But just such a great comedy that
Again, if listen, if you've not

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seen this movie, please go back
and watch it. You are going to

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have a good time. You're going
to laugh, and it definitely deserve to

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be my top five. Yeah,
and I think there's a lot of great

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behind the scenes things that take you
back to that, right, Like you

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were mentioning John Blushi's performance, the
amount of ad living that he did with

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this, and you know what we
talked about with them saying like no,

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no, no, just keep the
cameras rolling. Le's see what he does.

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Let's see where he goes with them
build up to the food fight scene.

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That makes it so much more interesting
just to think about, like that's

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not him and you know rehearsed form
or anything else like that. That's just

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you know, pure comedic focus and
it was just it was great. That's

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one of those where it's you know, if you have a chance to go

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out and watch the movie, if
it's one that you've seen again, get

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into some of the behind the scenes
things, right, get into the commentary

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kind of track, and listen to
some of the things that they say about

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it. It gives you a whole
new way to see it and revisit it.

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Well, if we didn't have Anyone
House and we didn't have John Blushan,

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that we wouldn't we got to the
Blue Brothers, right, You've got

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to think the things that it came
out of that we wouldn't have gotten if

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we didn't have that movie right,
Right, And you mentioned Karen Allen being

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so much of an iconic part of
Indiana and Jones but in her own rate,

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being such a great actress and getting
you know, getting more of Karen

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Allen is that's always a good idea. I gotta agree with that. All

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Right, let's talk about your number
three picks, because you guys have been

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you know, starkly different here.
But here's where you guys start to start

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to get on the same path because
you're both heading to the water, just

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different bodies of water. Because Scott, let's talk about Piranha for a second.

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Yeah, so aside from what we
already mentioned with having great guests,

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and this was kind of a tough
list to put together because at first I

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was like, all right, I'll
just gonna pick all the ones at head

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guests because we had fantastic guests.
Um. But you know, and Paranha

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is definitely in that camp. But
this is another one that surprised me.

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Um. You know, when we
thought about talking about Piranha, it seemed

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like one where I was going to
be like, all right, this is

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probably going to be you know,
a little bit more of a B movie,

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kind of a Corman kind of romp
that that's not really going to do

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much, and honestly it let's do
it. But it's so much fun.

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It says like relax, have a
cheeseburger from time to time, you know.

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Um. But the sound designed,
the sound effects, the you know

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that ending sting where it's kind of
like looking directly at the camera kind of

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kind of a cheese moment. But
we got that tin of little bonus,

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um, a little bit of Dante
magic with some you know, some Ray

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Harry House inm of getting in there
with that sneaky little creature that was kind

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of going through um being able to
talk about that kind of stuff. And

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aside from the movie itself, just
the conversation with Jerome was so much fun

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and talking about his genuine fear of
the water because of this movie. And

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you know, Jeff, you talked
about like having that soundtrack in your in

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your head whenever I talk about Paranha, I can't help but hear that like

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nibbling noise the yeah, exactly.
Yeah, So yeah, I was.

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I was surprised that this is going
to be in the top five, knocking

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out some of the other powerhouses that
we talked about this year, but I

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think it deserves a spot. I
wanted to cue the underdogs up a little.

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Well, Dave, what about you, well, Dave, feeling where

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you're going? Yea, yeah.
If if Piranha wasn't enough to keep you

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out of the water in nineteen seventy
eight, I'm pretty sure Dave's number three

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pick was Dave, let's talk about
Jaws too. Oh yeah, So,

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you know, making a sequel to
something as big as Jaws was with Steven

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Spielberg was probably not going to live
up to it. But to me,

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I have so many fond memories of
this movie. When I was a kid

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of watching this and just loving this
movie. I thought it was an incredible

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follow up to the original Jaws.
You know, getting a Roy Schier to

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come back. I know he didn't
want to do it, but he was

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contract to do it and so he
was kind of forced into it. I

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thought he did a fantastic job in
this movie. But you know, the

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camera work that was in this movie. We get the continuation score from John

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Williams where he gets to explore that
score more just added so much more depth

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to what I already knew from the
original Jaws. And again, I know

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you're not going to top the original, but you know this this was a

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fun film. You know, we
get to when they go out on the

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boats and they go way out and
you know, and Roy had to go

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after go after him and after his
kids. You know, it's just was

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just a fun time on the water. And again I'll go back to talking

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about the camera work that we got. You know, some of it was

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very Spielberg esque, even though he
wasn't involved with it. You know,

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you still got that camera where you're
just floating on the water, just so

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smooth, just calling the Shark,
and we get the different types of camera

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work too weird Today, you know, you get a lot of CGI,

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and you get a lot of stuff
on the sets and studios and stuff like

411
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.799
that. You don't actually get to
go actually out on location where you have

412
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.599
to compete with you know, the
weather. You got to compete with the

413
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.519
water. And that's what they did
with Joss too. You know, they

414
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.599
were filming on the actual ocean,
so they had to come up with unique

415
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.720
waves to get the camera work that
they needed done. And I thought they

416
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.440
it was great and you know,
again, you're right, I don't want

417
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.519
to go back in that water after
another experience with the shark, come on

418
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.000
now. So yes, that's my
number three. Well, I love the

419
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.839
fact that we both picked, you
know, these movies that both I think

420
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.720
had an impact on what followed with
that aquatic genre, the aquatic monster genre.

421
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:51.319
And um, I think we had
said it in Piranha. There was

422
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:56.599
kind of that endorsement, wasn't there
from Spielberg? All the dark off that

423
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.359
you know, I get this one
a stamp of approval. Both of these

424
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:04.839
kept that going. Well, I
started with Jaws, and I think it's

425
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.519
it's cool that we both picked this
for the number three at the same time.

426
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:15.279
That's a good touch. All right, guys, there's just two films

427
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:21.799
to talk about at this point because
you both we're in sync on your number

428
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:26.240
two pick and your number one picks. Um. But there are some huge

429
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.759
movies, uh still still out there
that that that could make it. So

430
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.160
I wasn't surprised. Some of the
our listeners might be surprised. We're gonna

431
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:45.680
find out because the number two overall
pick for for a film at forty five

432
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:52.480
is all about the night he came
home. That's right, you know,

433
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:57.640
Scott, I struggled with putting one, and you know, even Jeff when

434
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.559
I sent my top five, Jeff, I'm kind of surprised on what you

435
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.680
pick for your number one, and
I'm like, well, you know,

436
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.359
I struggled with it. I really
did, because I wanted Halloween to be

437
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:07.359
there. But you know, they're
more thought about it, and we'll talk

438
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.400
about Inner one little bit later.
But you know, Halloween means so much

439
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.359
to me. You know, we
had obviously we had another great guest with

440
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.480
Chad, but you know, this
is one of those movies It has just

441
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.119
set in with me and has become
my favorite horror franchise of all times.

442
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.440
And every time, you know,
we get into that season with Halloween,

443
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.839
my brain immediately goes to Michael Myers. It immediately goes to John Carpenter and

444
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.440
what he did and what he gave
us, because I mean, let's be

445
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.599
honest here, you know, you
can say this is what the film that

446
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.119
truly started the slasher franchise. So
you know, it gave birth to Friday

447
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:44.519
the thirteenth, It gave birth to
Nightmare I'm Straight, and on and on

448
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.200
and on. So so much came
out of this movie. But what I

449
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.759
love about this film, and what
I love about independent films, is the

450
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:57.880
filmmakers work harder and you have two
or three you have one person to wing

451
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:01.640
two or three jobs. And I
mean even Deborah Hill and John Carpenter,

452
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:06.319
you know, we're doing other things
on this movie because they had to because

453
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:10.279
of the budget. It forced them
to be creative. It forced them to

454
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:17.000
give us something that became such an
amazing experience that it's hard to capture that

455
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:22.160
again. You know, when it
comes to the lighting stuff, because they

456
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.319
didn't have the budget for lighting,
so they dimly lit a lot of those

457
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:30.599
scenes. But they were in it
came off so incredibly well. You know,

458
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.359
I'll talk about when Michael came out
of the shadows there to stab Laurie

459
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.720
Strode for the first time and she
falls down the steps. Just that little

460
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.279
nod of the dimmer switch where you
just see his face the mask come out

461
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:45.200
of the shadows was just incredible and
a lot of movies lose that today.

462
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:50.079
So that's why this movie was such
an experience. And you know, I

463
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.759
love it so much. Again,
I could talk about this for hours,

464
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.480
an hour and hours about this movie
because it's just so fantastic. And of

465
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:59.200
course John Carpenter's score, you have
to talk about that as well, and

466
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.400
that's why I made this my number
two. Yeah. No, I mean,

467
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.160
you know, speaking of something that
has a lasting impact, this absolutely

468
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:12.319
does. For everything you already mentioned. And knowing that this was an Indian

469
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.599
movie, you know, we've talked
from time to time about you know,

470
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:22.160
great effects aren't necessarily hiding the wires
as much as they're you know, making

471
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.559
you not care about the wires that
you can see. I think a lot

472
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:32.839
of the effects hold up very well
because they did care so much about hiding

473
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.440
the you know, how they're doing
the effects and making it so that it's

474
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:43.000
not so necessarily apparent how that's done, but you can see how much care

475
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.960
they put into it because of the
limited technology they had at the time,

476
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:50.359
limited budget they had at a time. So for something like this that still

477
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:54.160
holds up as the best of the
entire franchise that has lasted for a long

478
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:59.400
time, speaking of something that has
had so many iterations that have followed,

479
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.240
and not to disparage the rest of
those, they've all done very well,

480
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.960
but knowing that this first original still
stands the test of time speaks to how

481
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:14.199
well it was done in every element
of it. So looking at all the

482
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:20.639
heavy hitters we had with this,
to rank an independent movie so highly is

483
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.280
says a lot about the impact,
and it says a lot about the influence

484
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:30.159
of people who believed that they could
do the same thing or similar at least

485
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:35.760
try to but knowing that it was
possible to do so independently, and probably

486
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.239
inspiring people like Chad to say like, all right, well, I want

487
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:45.360
to pursue composition with this. I
want to pursue different aspects of filmmaking or

488
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.519
acting with this, and continuing to
go back to the original. I think

489
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.599
one of the great things about being
able to do a show like this is

490
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.280
being able to get into the behind
the scenes. I mean, there's tons

491
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.360
of places where you can find facts
and and things like that, but to

492
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:06.760
kind of take a deep dive and
have a chat about it between you know,

493
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.599
two people that love movies so much. It's it's it's part of what

494
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:15.119
I love about being able to do
this kind of thing is learning new things

495
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.559
about something that you feel like you've
seen so many times and read about so

496
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:21.559
many times. You probably know it
up and down on sideways, but there's

497
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:25.320
always something new, And I think
that's one of the great aspects of you

498
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.599
know, going back to a movie
that we've been watching for forty five years,

499
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.000
is to say, there probably is
something new that I could figure out,

500
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.360
something else that I could learn,
or something else that I want to

501
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:40.400
kind of experience with this movie.
This absolutely deserves to be in one of

502
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.679
the top two because there's so much
to learn about it, so many commentary

503
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.559
tracks and whatnot. You could easily
get a fresh look with any of those

504
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:53.800
kind of things just by taking a
couple of hours and stepping back into it.

505
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.719
So yeah, I was I was
surprised. I was wondered about this,

506
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.840
Dave, because I was like,
oh man, I'm pretty sure his

507
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.840
top number one is gonna be Halloween, but I'm not surprised that it's in

508
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:10.920
our top two absolutely spot yet.
Well, listeners, there's only one more

509
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.719
film to talk about on this top
five list. But before we do that,

510
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:19.480
I'm going to pose a question to
UH, to the two of you,

511
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:24.079
because when we when we started this
series, there were there were a

512
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:28.719
couple of movies you guys were just
chomping at the bit to talk about,

513
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.280
and then there were some movies you
were You guys were like, what is

514
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:38.679
that? What? What's it called? So Dave will start with you of

515
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:44.360
the films that you watched for this
series, UH, specifically the ones that

516
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.639
you had not seen before, which
one surprised you the most as far as

517
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.280
something that you thought, Wow,
how how did I go forty five years

518
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.119
without ever seeing this movie? Um? I think Jason Colvin's gonna be very

519
00:36:55.119 --> 00:37:00.320
proud of me when I provide this
answer. It was clearly it was clearly

520
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:05.800
foul play. That one caught me
by surprise when I had never seen it

521
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:07.119
before. And like I said,
I was embarrassed. I hadn't after I

522
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.400
watched it, because I was like, man, this was actually really funny.

523
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.599
I did not know it was Dudley
Moore's first American film, so seeing

524
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.840
his scenes and again I'll say it, I was crying. I was laughing

525
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:23.000
so hard at his scenes. And
you know, that one stood out the

526
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:27.760
most to me for sure. Okay, Scott, any anyone take you by

527
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.039
surprise? I think the one that
took me by surprise is probably going to

528
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:37.559
be forced ten just because that's one
that I knew who was in it,

529
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.639
and I was I'll go back to
that phrase. It never really jumped off

530
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:45.639
the shelf for me because I had
not heard that much about it. Because

531
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.000
it didn't get much pressed and very
much play. They kind of felt like,

532
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.239
well, it's gonna be maybe not
a great movie, right, because

533
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:54.840
you never really hear about it.
So maybe that's why I've never really you

534
00:37:54.880 --> 00:38:00.639
know, seeing it all the way
through, or I've never really kind of

535
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.079
paid attention to it. But once
I did, I was like, wow,

536
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:06.239
I want to watch this a couple
of times. Um, you know

537
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.440
obviously, um, you know there's
a more of a want to do that

538
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:15.280
with um, you know, Harrison
Ford and with you know, with Indiana

539
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:20.400
Jones and and all that popularity sparkling
backup, and with Carl Weathers and the

540
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.440
Mandalorian and you know, obviously seeing
how much of the Creed franchise is kind

541
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:29.280
of taking its own life or taking
on a life of its own. Um,

542
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.119
you know, that's when where you
can see you know, absolutely these

543
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:37.159
these actors had a lasting impact.
But you know, knowing that this is

544
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:43.519
something that kind of broke a mold
for the both of them that I think

545
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.599
had already been cast. And it's
not a bad mold to have, like

546
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:51.880
um being you know, Apollo Creed
or Han Solo. You're you're doing all

547
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.480
right if if if you keep doing
that for a while. Um, but

548
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:01.519
Dave, like you said, you
know, seeing them m kind of branch

549
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:07.400
out and become more than what it
seemed like they might be typecast into being,

550
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:13.280
but knowing that they could still hold
onto those iconic roles, that was

551
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.119
one where I was I was very
glad to discover it. And it's one

552
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:20.360
that I absolutely want people to go
and check out if they haven't had a

553
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.920
chance, because I think it deserves
it. I think it got kind of

554
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:29.679
an unfair shake when it first came
out and it doesn't get much pressed.

555
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.280
I think because it didn't perform very
well at the box office. It has

556
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:37.920
this misconception of not being a good
movie, and it is. Obviously it

557
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.079
has some things that could probably be
refined. But you know, if you're

558
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.199
if you're a fan of Apolocret,
if you're a fan of Indiana Jones for

559
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:49.239
more than just Harrison Ford and obviously
you know Robert Shaw and all the rest

560
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.119
of the great cast, especially since
this is the Robit Shaw's last movie,

561
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.239
I'm glad we got to cover it
and I'm glad we dusted it off.

562
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.880
Well, let's talk about the number
one pick, you guys. In nineteen

563
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:07.960
seventy eight, there was one movie
that made us believe a man could fly.

564
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:15.239
Yeah, the Five Deadly Venoms.
Superman, Scott, come on,

565
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:22.239
Superman, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Superman. You know, obviously this

566
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.440
is always going to be my number
one, even just looking at the list,

567
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:28.639
right, Jeff, and I'm sure
you knew this. This is one

568
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:30.400
where I was like, well,
I think we're definitely gonna have Jeff on

569
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.239
as a guest on this because he's
gonna want to talk for days and days.

570
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:38.840
But you know, yeah, let's
go back to the guests, getting

571
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:46.079
an unforgettable intro from Valerie, getting
some amazing time with Aaron. We've already

572
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:49.639
talked a little bit about the guests, but I'll get back into it again.

573
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:54.119
To have the opportunity to talk to
somebody who grew up with Kalel and

574
00:40:54.239 --> 00:41:00.480
had so much experience with you know, the different iterations, but you know,

575
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:07.360
being there from the beginning and getting
that inside look at a movie that

576
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:08.519
I've seen so many times. I
could probably, you know, just ride

577
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.840
off the dialogue from I could just
ride off the dialogue from cover to cover

578
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.119
and Jeff, you know, this
is one that's near and dear to your

579
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:20.760
heart, Dave, and that one
that's close to YouTube. But you know,

580
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:28.519
to be able to have that that
guest insight was absolutely unforgettable. And

581
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:34.920
you know, I'll go back to
effects. You're you're not looking for how

582
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.440
they did it. You're not distracted
by the technology of nineteen seventy eight.

583
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:44.199
It's seamless. It definitely holds up. And you know, getting into one

584
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:50.119
of those scenes that Aaron talked about
with seeing him take off in person and

585
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:55.880
him selling that, Christopher selling that
with how he took off and what he

586
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:04.199
put into how he held his arms
in his hands with a pilot's mentality,

587
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.039
right, knowing that that is what
went into helping us believe that a man

588
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:12.760
could fly. It's not just you
know, special green screen effects or wires

589
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:17.199
or anything else like that. It's
his own belief in that character. Aaron

590
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:22.760
talking about how much you know as
a as an actor, how much Chris

591
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:29.920
really embodied not only Clark but Kalel
and the differences between those characters. I

592
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:35.400
think it's one of the most important
aspects of the characters that that absolutely sets

593
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:40.199
the bar for for every person that's
stepped into the Cape since then. I've

594
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:45.800
mentioned, you know, Superman and
Lois. I think is a really surprising

595
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:51.440
show where they've had a great balance
of Clark and Kalel, and I don't

596
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:58.360
think we'd have that without Christopher Reeve
so to be able to get into that.

597
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:06.840
And that's just one actor among you
know, Gene Hackman, Marlon Brando,

598
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:12.000
you know all these big names that
rounded out the rest of the cast.

599
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:17.159
Ned Beatty, Valerie Parryn, you
know everybody that made that such a

600
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:22.519
such an iconic movie. And I
think it's one where if anybody is introducing

601
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.559
somebody to the Superman character. It's
absolutely one that continued to go back to

602
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:32.199
even forty five years later, and
you can see that in every every version

603
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:37.880
of Superman that's ever been made.
So for this to be the first big

604
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:43.079
splash, if there's a big breakout
that that really happened, I think it's

605
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:45.519
one that there's no way there could
be anything else in that number one spot

606
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:50.000
for me. Dabled about you,
Yeah, So, I mean we talk

607
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.280
about our our top two, all
the movies that we talked about, and

608
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:57.039
soon he had an impact on Hollywood
over the years, but clearly our top

609
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:00.719
two or the two that I feel
had the biggest impact on changing Hollywood.

610
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:07.440
Superman can really truly be said to
be the father of hero films. It

611
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.360
is the one who created you know
what we have today. I mean,

612
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.840
people who love Marvel, people who
love all the DC movies you know,

613
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:20.800
really owe it to Richard Donner and
Christopher Reeve and all everyone else he was

614
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:25.440
involved with this movie, to Superman
because the success of this movie, because

615
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let's be honest there, Hollywood hadn't
seen a film like this yet, and

616
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the risk the studios was taking,
the producers were taking, you know,

617
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to get a guy named Christopher Reeve
to you know, allow Richard Donner to

618
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make this film and in such a
big budget way. You know, they

619
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took a risk and it was very, very successful, and it showed Hollywood,

620
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hey, what else do we have
out there? And eventually, you

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know, we would get that.
But you know, Christopher Reeve and himself

622
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was just phenomenal in this role.
No one's ever going to top him,

623
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and no one ever should try.
You know, he is the definitive Superman

624
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in my eyes and always will be. John Williams score would match Christopher Reeve

625
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in being Superman because his music would
become the definitive superhero music. You know.

626
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In talking in Documents seventy seven's top
seven scores, John Williams was my

627
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third favorite score because it has to
be. You know, when you when

628
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you make a score that literally says
the title in it, without saying the

629
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.000
title, you just hear it in
the notes of the music, just goes

630
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to show you how powerful that score
really is. And when you think of

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this movie, your brain immediately goes
to that music to show you how powerful

632
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that actually is. But yeah,
just to uh, you know, copy

633
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what you're saying about you know,
having Aaron and the intro by Valerie just

634
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.840
topped this movie for me and this
experience being a little kid when I saw

635
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this movie. I mean, come
on, Jeff, I know you were

636
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Scott, I know you when we
were little kids. We were trying to

637
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.800
fly around in our backyards and flying
around in our house, you know,

638
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.199
try to copy Christopher Reeve, you
know, because he had set that impact

639
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:07.400
on us. Beginning to have this
experience again with this movie, you know,

640
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.840
when I was forty nine going on
fifty years old, made me feel

641
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:14.719
like a little kid again, and
it made me how much I realized I

642
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.159
love this movie and it had to
be my number one. It was a

643
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:20.559
struggle. Like I said earlier,
you know, I wanted Halloween to be

644
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.880
number one so much. But when
I really look at both of them in

645
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:30.519
depth, Superman has to take the
crown just because of everything it has going

646
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.800
for it, everything it still has
going for it. No one's ever going

647
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:38.280
to capture that movie again ever.
Yeah, and David, I'm not surprised

648
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:43.280
that you talk about music, and
I'm glad you did because John Williams theme

649
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:49.280
on that. I mean, it's
it's I think for me, you know,

650
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a lot of this movie is not
only you know, believing that a

651
00:46:54.519 --> 00:47:00.679
man could fly, but of believing
that that you can kind of take on

652
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:05.880
the qualities of this person who is
known as a hero. UM. And

653
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.440
this, you know, it's it's
so much about the person in the suit.

654
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It's not just about the suit,
but who that person is and the

655
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.760
choices they make and the things that
they do. So when you combine that

656
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:21.679
with such a powerful score. UM, you know, if you're if you're

657
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.480
like me, when you hear that
theme, it gives you a sense of

658
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:30.840
resolve. It gives you a sense
of, you know, feeling powerful and

659
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.599
not you know, the ability to
you know, leave buildings or anything else

660
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.159
like that, but to do more
than you think you can. And UM.

661
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:45.360
For for us to to get that
in our lifetime is um is amazing.

662
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:54.159
And UM to have something that continues
to generate that feeling UM is is

663
00:47:54.199 --> 00:48:00.039
just unforgettable. And yeah, when
when you combine all those aspects, this

664
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is absolutely one where you know,
you've probably seen it. I'm sure that

665
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.679
everybody has seen this, you know, once or twice. But again it's

666
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:13.920
one that deserves another look, but
it also deserves a closer look. There's

667
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.440
tons of documentaries out there, there's
tons of you know, we got so

668
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:22.480
much inside information from Aaron, especially
talking about how he would that Chris would

669
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:27.719
just sit down with everybody else and
have lunch because he wanted to be,

670
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.039
you know, close to people,
and he wasn't like, I'm not going

671
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.119
to get on some kind of pedestal
just because of the Cape. I'm going

672
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:39.199
to be who I am. I'm
going to be Clark right and and spending

673
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.119
time with the cast. You know, when you hear things like that and

674
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.519
then you watch the movie again,
it gives you a whole different aspect.

675
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:51.280
And that's one of the greatest things
about looking back at these kind of things

676
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:57.199
is knowing a little bit more about
what went into it gives you the chance

677
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.360
to think a little bit more about
what it means to you personally. Yep,

678
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:02.159
um, and I mean so much
more than me after having this,

679
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:07.639
uh, this this chance in this
experience absolutely animals. So Jeff, thank

680
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:12.199
you for setting all that up.
Well, you are welcome, and uh,

681
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:20.159
guys, fantastic options for your top
five of nineteen seventy eight. Um,

682
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:23.639
let's talk about what you guys are
you know, what you're currently working

683
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:30.800
on now? Because you just you
just started a fun little, uh,

684
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:35.280
fun little venture, right we did. You're you're you've gone uh, you're

685
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.920
you're going beyond you might say,
you might bold You're you're boldly going where

686
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:43.039
no podcast has gone before. Right, that's right, We're going to space

687
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:47.559
the Final Frontier. Right, yeah, exactly. No. We we are

688
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:55.000
visiting Strange New Worlds season two with
the podcast Strange New Wednesdays, So we

689
00:49:55.039 --> 00:50:00.360
hope that you're joining us, uh
and listening to our talk about out the

690
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:05.360
previous week's episode where Scott, Wayne
and I are breaking down what we like

691
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.800
about the episodes, what we enjoyed, and uh, you know, get

692
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to talk about what we love you
know, Star Trek yep, yep.

693
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We're timing it right in that sweet
spot so we can take you back to

694
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where we were in the last episode
and talk a little bit about what's coming

695
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:22.199
up in the next one. So, um, if that, if that's

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your cup of tea, go ahead
and join us for that. And you

697
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:31.440
know, if you're somebody who has
never gotten into Star Trek before, this

698
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:36.960
is absolutely a great way to give
it a shot. Strange New Worlds is

699
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:42.159
doing a fantastic job keeping the franchise
alive and it's it's definitely something that has

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something for everybody. Absolutely I would
agree to that. So I got one

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00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:52.159
more, one more question for you
guys before I let you go, and

702
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:59.079
I'm gonna I'm gonna quote Scott Hoffman. Here something something we've heard. We've

703
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.320
heard every with every episode. You
know, you guys, Scott, you've

704
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:06.800
always talked about in your in your
intro, you've always talked about how you

705
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:10.960
guys are dusting off the end of
a decade that changed cinema forever with a

706
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:17.719
fresh look at modern classics and hidden
gems. We can't stop watching even forty

707
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:23.480
five years later. I love that
you say that's Scott. And then you

708
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:27.639
know, I don't love that the
series has has come to a close.

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And then it dawned on me.
You know, we talk about the end

710
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:38.679
of a decade, and there's still
one more year in the nineteen seventies.

711
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:44.159
So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna
put you guys on the spot and just

712
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:49.679
ask, like, any any chance
you might come back and do do another

713
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.440
one? Yeah? Yeah, I
think you know there's there's one or two

714
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.639
big ones there in nineteen seventy nine, just a couple. I think you

715
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:59.639
just a few yeah, I mean
you know it's yeah. I say,

716
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:02.760
let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do one more year until our

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00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.039
film reels start rolling again. In
nineteen seventy nine. Go out, watch

718
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:12.000
something new, watch something different,
and who knows what you will discover next.