A Film at 45 - Foul Play

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
nineteen seventy eight in a Film Buys limited

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series, A Film at forty five. I am David Burns, and I'm

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Scott Hofman and I'm Jason Golden.
How's it going. It's going great,

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gentlemen, Beware of the dwarf?
Are we ready? Are we ready to

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take a chance again? Grab your
screamer, mace, brass, knuckles,

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and even your umbrella, as we're
heading into a mystery, suspense and even

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some comedy, a film that is
an homage to the suspense movies of Alfred

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Hitchcock, such as The Thirty Nine
Steps, Saboteur, North But Northwest,

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and The Man Who Knew Too Much. Of course, we're talking about foul

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play, the body, Where's the
boy up? You gotta see how absurdad

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the thing is? Well, gentleway, before we really dive into this,

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I want to welcome our and I
want to say I am privileged and honor

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to have him joining us today.
Absolutely, and that of course is Jason

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Colvin from Shirley You Can't be serious
podcast. Jason. Welcome to A Film

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at forty five. Hey, you
guys, thank you so much for having

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me. I am fired up to
talk about this movie. I told you

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I have loved this movie for over
forty years, so I am super excited

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to talk about cool. You're the
perfect person to talk to and I love

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listening to your show. It's absolutely
amazing. If if there's there happens to

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be a listener out there that has
not caught the shurely you can't be serious

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podcast, you're missing out on on
a serious, uh seriously fun podcast.

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The verses up episodes, they do
the soundtracks, they do the favorite albums

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of all time head to head,
and it's it's amazing, especially if you're

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on road trips for your work.
If you're a movie fan, you owe

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it to yourself to check them out. Thank you, Thank you very much,

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appreciate that. You know, it's
funny with with Jeff at a film,

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but I keep I keep telling him, you know, when do I

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get to talk to Jason. This
isn't fair. You get to have all

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the podcasts with him, Scott and
I don't get anything. Come on,

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man, you gotta share it.
We gotta pick the right movies, which

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is clearly Yeah, thanks for having
me on. I'm first of all,

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look out for the elf and then
Secondly, I am, yeah, super

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excited to talk about this movie with
you guys. Ah, so, well,

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I tell you what. So this
movie was released in July fourteenth,

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nineteen seventy eight, with a budget
of five million dollars. It would end

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up earning forty five million, So
I would say a pretty successful film.

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Would you both agree? Oh?
Yeah, absolutely. I was surprised by

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how successful this was and I've never
seen it at all. Wow, I

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had neither, Jason, So I
hope you don't really ask for this,

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but yeah, so Scott, since
we're talking about that, you know,

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neither one of us had seen this
until we started to do research for this

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podcast. How would you describe this
movie? Somewhat? This was a tough

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one, but a fun one.
And Jason, you'll have to let me

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know if I'm if I'm setting it
up the right way. It's the summer

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of seventy eight in San Francisco and
something sinister is in hot pursuit of Goldie

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Hawn in this Hitchcock style comedy thriller. After a semi blind date ends with

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a dead man, she finds herself
being pursued by a group of assassins looking

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for the secrets that she doesn't even
know she's hiding. But she's not alone

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watching her back or the detective duo
of Chevy Chase and Brian Dennehy, her

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heavily armed best friend and a python
loving burgessed the penguin Meredith. Together they

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help solve the mystery that's putting her
in danger and discover a bigger plot that

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threatens the newest Pope. It's a
far out chase that spans the city with

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a blend of charisma, comedy,
intrigue, and a few cringing moments.

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I gotta say that became one of
the most successful comedies in nineteen seventy eight.

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So shine up the nostalgic glasses and
taking a look at foul Blay good

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Man. Thanks God. So Jason, I've got to ask you, how

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many times have you seen this movie? I tell you, I think I've

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seen this movie probably thirty or forty
times. Wow. This is one of

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those movies that was on like the
ABC Sunday Night movie. Yeah, and

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I just I just attached myself to
it. I was gonna say, so

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when was it in heavy rotation?
Way back before VCRs. So just yeah,

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you know, it's one of those
deals where it was just one of

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those things that when it came on, I was glued to the TV.

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Yeah, which I mean, oh, go ahead. I was just gonna

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say, it's similar to like,
it's one of those checkpoints in my life

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where you know, I'm a kid, but I'm trying to figure out,

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you know, what's cool and how
to adults interact and what's a love story

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and and so I'm I'm looking for
those cues from movies, and this is

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one of those that I looked to, you know. So yeah, yeah,

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Well it's no surprise that I got
heavy rotation in the eighties because this

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is before Fletch, before Private Benjamin, before Wildcats. Um, and they

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Chevy Chase and Goldie Haunt both took
off after this one. Um. And

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it's a it's a movie that I
would say, um, plays pretty clean,

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what is it rated? PG?
Yeah? PG? Yeah, Um

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and thinking about you know, other
things in the Chevys catalog that might not

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necessarily fit that bill. Um,
Yeah, no surprise, I got heavy

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rotation. It's it's funny. I
don't know how this movie escaped me.

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Um when when I finally sat down
to watch it to work on this podcast,

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i've got halfway through it, I
found myself really entertained. Yeah.

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I mean, if you're looking through
you know, twenty twenty three glasses,

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you're like, okay, but you
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period of nineteen seventy eight, and
I found myself laughing. I found myself

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having a really good time with this
movie. I was when I got done

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with it, I was kind of
embarrassed. I was like, why have

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I never seen this movie before?
Because I had a really good time in

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watching this. I really did,
so, Jason, I can see why

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you liked it someone. It's just
super entertaining, right. I mean,

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you've got I wrote down a list
of really good stuff for a particularly for

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a young kid. Right. You've
got evil twins. You've got bombastic opera

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music. You've got a psycho villainous
You've got a cool mcguffin little film role.

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It's very James Bond. Yep.
You've got the wise sage, you

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know, the burgess Meredith character who's
also a karate master. Yeah, you've

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got a killer albino. You've got
mysterious midgets. You've got a good guy

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and a damsel in distress who fall
in love and then you have got Dudley

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Moore at his comic relief best.
Yeah. Yeah, I love the use

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of Dudley Moore in this one that
they keep that he keeps gonna swing in

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and out of the movie, like
you think he's just gonna be kind of

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this, you know, passing role, and he keeps coming back and back

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and back. If anything, I
think I'd want to get more deadly,

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more scenes in there. But it
was a brilliant use of him, Absolutely

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brilliantly anyway, I get laid the
entire movie. I don't think he did

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know. He didn't know how he
tried. He didn't know, And I

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didn't realize this was his American film
debut. You know that's you know I

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and I can definitely see why he
took off after this movie, because,

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um, if this was the first
time I had seen him, I was

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like, this guy is gonna go
far, and you can see why.

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He very talented guy, and he
shows it off in this movie. Yeah,

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I'd be so afraid, Yeah,
I'd be so afraid of getting typecast.

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I'd be like, I can play
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composer. It's okay, I can
see well. Well again, with this

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being the first time I had seen
this movie, I didn't know how many

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times he was going to pop up, you know, so I wasn't expecting

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him to be the conductor at the
opera there. Yes, great, yeah,

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yeah, he played that so well. And I mean this had a

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lot of great um um. Aside
from being a box office hit, was

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very well received by critics, was
up for a lot of awards, uh

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seven Golden Globes. You've got Best
Picture, Comedy act Best Actress for Goldie

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Hawn, Best Actor for Chever Chase, Best Supporting Actor for Dudley Moore,

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um, and the you know,
the the earworm that we'll get into a

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little bit later. Barry Manilo's ready
to take a Chance again nominated for an

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oscar Um. Again. It's it's
so weird that like that it was hard

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to find this movie, and that
it that it never crossed my screen.

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I wish it had a bit sooner. But I'm glad we're here to talk

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about it. Same same here,
um. You know, but let's let's

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talk more about this cast that we
have. You know, we've already mentioned

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Goldie Hawn, We've mentioned Chevy Chay
and I find it interesting for JV Chases

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the fact that he was the first
one from Saturday and Alive to make it

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into films, just barely narrowing out
Blushi with Animal House, so you always

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have that on her. Hey,
I beat you by a little bit,

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but you know what, I'm still
the first one on the big screen.

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Beat him by like fourteen days,
right, yes, very very close.

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It's crazy, I know. But
you know, Goldie Han, I absolutely

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love her. Um, you know, it's funny. I hadn't seen a

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Goldie Han movie in a long time, so watching this one and again for

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the first time, I forgot just
how wonderful she really was, you know,

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not just beautiful, but talented and
everything she does, I mean,

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you just she just glows on screen. Yeah, and any when you watch

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her, you can see why she
was so successful in her career. Yeah,

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totally hurt. She's charming, she's
likable, she's cute, but she's

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also sixy. I mean sometimes it's
hard to get both right. Um,

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and she's she's just so lovable.
Yeah, and then her chemistry was chevy.

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I think is spot on. I
think they both look great, Like

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this is their physical peak. It
looks like a Clark Gable leading man and

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she's a babe and they just work
so well together. Absolutely, the first

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time they met each other at the
at the party, you know where they

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lock eyes across the party and of
course the Chevy Chase becomes Chevy Chase and

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starts stumbling around and making a mess
up. Yeah. Great, well,

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And I love the fact that I
was trying to think of the right word

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to describe her, and I feel
like in this movie it's captivating, right

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because she's she's not treated as an
object the whole time. She's not there

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just for you know, just for
show and be you know, arm candy

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or whatever. But her you can
see a turn in her acting um that

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she wants to, you know,
get into different roles, kind of get

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away from um some of the you
know, how she was perceived and things

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like laughing. But still just I
feel like every time she's on the screen

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absolutely captures your attention and um and
does so well in the scenes, like

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she she takes control of those scenes. She might be the damsel in distress

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or in pursuit or whatever, but
she doesn't play that. She's totally taking

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charge. She's probably doing more than
Chevy taste does oh yeah, to help

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her own case, so absolutely.
Yeah. Well, I mean he even

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disappears for a little while because it's
her film, you know, right,

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it's it's all about you know,
if you kind of forget about Chase there

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a little while, and then he
finally comes back into the picture like,

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oh, okay, there he is. You know. So I found that

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quite interesting too, But you're right, you mean, he Chevy was just

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really coming into his own and the
big screen here, so you know,

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it was just the start of it, and we knew what kind of career

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he would have after this. Yeah. I saw an interview with Chevy Chase

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talking about foul Play and he said
this was his big screen debut and he

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was nervous. Like, it's hard
for me to imagine Chevy. He's just

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such a natural. Yeah, of
course, he'd been on SNL. He

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was nervous and he was looking at
her. He said he couldn't get his

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lip to stop quivering. It was
the scene where he said you have the

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most beautiful blue eyes and she said
they're green. Yeah, it was that

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scene, and he's like, he
said, she pulled him through that.

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Yeah, he just leaned on her
and she was the she was the movie

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star. He was just some you
know, some jerk from Saturday Night Live,

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and she just carried him through that, which I thought was fascinating.

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Yeah, I could tell. I
think I know the scene you're talking about

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it, and you can tell that
there's just that little break in the Chevy

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chase charm, you know, where
you can see his mouth kind of like

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I'm not quite sure what to do. I've never seen him react that way,

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so it's interesting he was actually that
nervous in the filming. Interesting.

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Yeah, coming from somebody that of
that caliber, that's like, wow,

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okay, but hey, they get
nervous too, you know, I mean

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until they get used to performing.
But m and some of them's will don't

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get used to it. You know. It's just you get that fear when

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you go in front of the camera. Sometimes, even though you're talented,

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it still happens. Yeah. You
know, there's one thing I wanted to

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point out to you guys that I
saw for the first time. So I've

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seen this movie tons. Yeah,
but when he is he he asked her,

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you know, he sticks his foot
in his mouth. He asked her

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if she wants to take a shower
and of course, she's like, get

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lost, dude. You know,
she walks off. He actually locks eyes

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with the camera. It's like a
rookie mistake, like he's been rejected.

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He's still in character, but it's
almost like he looks up at like,

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how is that? Guys? Did
that? I do? Okay? And

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he looks directly at the camera,
and I was like, oh man,

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one small mistake. But you know, he's a rookie. Sorry. Yeah,

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he's not used to that, so
that makes sense. But you know

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what's funny is I didn't remember that, But that's funny many times did you

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see this? You caught that?
Right? I wonder if they saw that

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and they were kind of like,
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breaking the fourth wall, but was
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well, let's tell more about some
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wonderful and talented burgess Meredith ya as
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and is an anthropologist. Is that
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he an anthropologist. I think he
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it just owns the apartment complex now. But I think in you know,

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before that he was anthropologis because I
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was first in his apartment, you
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that. Um. I believe he
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and he was like getting a book
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right, yeah, when he's slapping
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I was. I was surprised.
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animal. Yeah, it was a
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Burgess, all right, calm down, man, you're gonna get back.

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I don't want the pithe undeth the
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Yeah, no kidding, man.
But I will always remember him as Mickey

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from Rocky. Um. You know, that was my first experience with Burgess

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Meredith. So it's always nice to
go back and see movies I've never seen

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before, like this one and get
to see him again, you know,

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when he was just in the prime
of his career. Yeah. I just

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just love it. The guy was
so talented. Man. Even I don't

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know if you guy said he's seen
grumpy old Man or Grumpy or old Man

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when he played when he played Grandpa
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was hilarious. And you know he
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character, right, I mean he
you know crap, you know, spits

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fire and craps lightning or whatever it
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sweet old man and grumpy old man, he's kind of a dirty old man.

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Wan character. Right, yeah,
right, He's all different types. He's

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he's very talented, he is he
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but the most in his entire career. Because you've got like Grandpa Gustuffson from

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Grumpy Old Men, You've got Gallobulus
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from Batman sixty six. Uh.
I saw that he was Ernie Pyle in

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the first Gi Joe movie, The
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know is not the Hasbro Gi Joe, but still this connection there. Sure,

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from his first scene where he's like, oh, get him if they get

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your Gloria. Yeah, and he
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at the air. But then he
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Snake Roberts years before the WWF and
throws down with Evil Gerda. I'm like,

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go, Mickey, yes, I'm
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hand because that was like my favorite
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just watching him have this fight with
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is this really happening? Yeah?
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it seemed like it was getting into
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of moments where it goes from one
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comedy thriller. Uh, there's the
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and then with Burgess Meredith, you've
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but kind of getting into the National
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let's just throw in kind of a
ridiculous moment, right. Um that that

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was just nice to see. It
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and I think especially for you know, like you said Jason, growing up

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as a kid seeing this PJA movie, there's a lot of things to to

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latch onto. Yeah. Absolutely.
Of course we've got Brian denny Hey as

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Fergie. Brian has done a ton
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huge laundry list of movies that he's
done that we all know him talked about.

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yeah, so you know he's all
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big career as well. Um.
Billy Barty as JJ was at McEwen I

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believe with his name, ye yes, yeah yeah, Bible salesman, pushy

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Bible salesman. Yes. Oh man, that scene, I tell you what,

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Scott, I know that bothers you
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was treated. But I gotta tell
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there's a there's a mix there.
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you know the the scene that made
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know is the reason. You know, that's the reaction You're supposed to have

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fallen down those steps in the barrel. I was just gonna like, oh

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man, you did him dirty there. Oh god, and that bouncing barrel

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went for like what ten minutes,
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two, you know. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but he did

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a great job. When he first
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Bible salesman, um, but he's
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it in the hospital that he's a
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man, I hope this is the
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not normally the Bible salesman opening line. But all right, that's not

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in the training manual. No,
no, not at all. Well we'll

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go with it though, right.
Yeah. Um, I want to tell

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you one guy who really freaked me
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who was whitey. Yeah, that
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about you guys, but man definitely
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on that about the James Bond thing. I mean, he could be a

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James Bond villain, there's no doubt, totally. He's so scary. I

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mean he does have that physical condition
which makes his stand out right. Yeah,

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and then you know he's got those
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creeping around. I don't think he
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he doesn't even make a sound like
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of the opera house. No grunts, no grunts, no sounds. Yeah,

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very scary. Yeah, I love
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guy. Yeah. Really, whoever
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he had to just be hitting like
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right right, that's awesome. Here's
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interesting. Um Chuck McCann, who's
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I used to love DuckTales, So
I don't know if you guys know he's

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done. This guy's done a lot
of voice work over the years for cartoons,

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tons of voice for it. But
he was Duckworth from Duck Tails,

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which I found Wow, that's awesome. Yeah. And some of the Beagle

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Boys, Yes, and some of
the Beagle Boys. That's right. Yeah.

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Um, it's really neat to see
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when you're saying you see the voices. Jason, we kind of talked

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about a bit while ago. You
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you just hear their voice all the
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you know, on screen or something, you see their face for the first

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time, like, oh okay,
so that's how that's what they look like,

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right right right? You know?
Um? And then was it Don

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Calfess Scarface? That guy is like
always creepy? Um? Was the weekend

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at Bernie's. He was in,
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which was discussed in the eighty six
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one of those movies for me that
I attached to Oh yes, I'm with

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you, it is it is,
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about the director himself too, Um, Colin Higgins. Um, I did

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not know that he wrote Harold in
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well. That was what seventy one
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What's I find interesting about that too, is um he was struggling financially when

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he wrote Harold in mod He actually
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house by cleaning the swimming pool and
sweeping the tennis court. Nice. Can

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you imagine if that was happening today. Wow, good for him doing what

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it takes. Man, that's right, taking a chance. Yep, that's

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right. Take a chance. You
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And look what it did. Look
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he ended up what directing, Well, he wrote Silver Streak and he directed

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what nine to five the Bethel Horhouse
in Texas. Yeah, I mean he

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had I mean, I know he
died just fairly young. I think he

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was in his fifties when he passed
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that he done, I mean they
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Sure, who doos the Home?
For? Sure? Yeah? I

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wanted to bring up one other person
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because I just find it really interesting. Okay, So Rachel Roberts is the

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one who plays Gerda. She's the
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Pope and Burgess. Marathon talks her
in the piano and then karateps it closed

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on top of her right, right, right. She committed suicide two years

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after foul play. Oh really,
you guys know this? No, I

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had no idea. Okay, so
let me let me blow your mind for

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a second. Okay. So she
held she had all types of personal problems.

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She was an alcoholic, she had
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was really struggling mentally. So she
committed suicide by swallowing lie. Oh.

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I talked to a pharmacist friend of
mine. I called her today, police,

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thank you, Elise, police Haines. I called her. I'm like,

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okay, she took a whole bunch
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So I said, what what happens? Well, she's like, well,

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it just scorches the inside of your
body, right, it just and

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she said probably what happened was it
burned her esophagus so bad that it swoll

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shut and then she suffocated. Oh
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and I hate to bring it down, but it's just one of those weird,

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yeah, you know, interesting deaths. So and that's thanks, dude.

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You know, it's funny because when
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look at her career. It was
like, why did he not have so

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much work? And then now I
know why I didn't know that. Wow,

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oh wow, that's rest in peace. I mean she she had did

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an amazing job in this movie.
She I mean, obviously, if you're

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in a karate style wrestling wrestling match
for just Meredith, can you know toe

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to toe? Um? But I
think she had a great range in this

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too. I know that she had
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you know, I'm very pious and
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archbishop and you know, kind of
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turns you know, barreness all of
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goes totally evil. Um. No, she did. She did a great

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job. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, she was the mama for

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of this movie. Yeah, that's
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exactly, exactly absolutely what. Wow, man, I didn't know that,

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give my respect to the actors and
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life so young like that. I
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too, man, I hate to
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Well, let's no, it's okay, no, no, no, you're

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good. That's what we're talking about
on this podcast. You know, we

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want to hit all angles that we
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that. Um, so let's go
look through the lens. Let's talk about

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somebody behind the scenes production notes and
you know those kinds of things. One

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of the things that I found really
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mirrors. Did you guys catch that? I did not catch that? Yeah,

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tell me so. One of the
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And Scott, you and I talked
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Invasion of the Body Snatchers, how
he would use camera angles that he would

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look through things or he would look
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the mirror to look at like actors
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jucks opposed angle to give your audience
that like, um, suspenseful element of

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looking at those characters. Um.
If you noticed, Higgins does the same

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thing, and it's it's very Hitchcock
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you guys didn't realize that, but
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and used it for foul play because
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Hitchcock's work. So if you notice
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and he meets I guess his housekeeper
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right, if you notice the camera
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a hint that like, you know, we're gonna be seeing his twin coming

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up, which we don't know about. If you don't know, you know

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the story obviously. And then when
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and he opens up the door and
the mirror's there, and you see the

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reflection of his twin brother in the
mirror, basically saying, hey, you

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know, I am I looking myself
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which we find out later is his
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Gloria's house when she kills well supposedly
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and she's on the phone talking to
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bathroom mirror and you see the reflection
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know, the camera slowly moves on
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which you know they used that a
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that, you know, that very
suspenseful. But I just loved how he

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00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:29.319
did that with the mirror. I
watched it a second time before this podcast,

407
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:32.160
and that's when I caught onto his
Holy crap, he's using this mirror

408
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.400
quite a bit, and then I
realized what he was doing. So yeah,

409
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:41.559
yeah, definitely plays that plays into
his Hitchcock tendencies with it. I

410
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:47.200
know that he was really passionate about
the story that he wrote and that he

411
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.799
wanted to clearly he wanted to make
it something that gave a lot of hints

412
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:56.319
to Hitchcock, especially that first scene
when Scottie's there and kind of like whispering

413
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:02.240
is warning to Gloria, which if
he had been a little less cryptic,

414
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:07.799
we probably could have saved her some
trouble, right, We were like,

415
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:12.839
so my partner is Tony tell him
to watch out for the Stiltskin guy.

416
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.960
I'm just gonna say, because a
die in ten minutes. But no,

417
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:19.720
it was used a great effect,
and you can tell how much time he

418
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:26.599
had put into this and how much
he wanted to make a real quality movie.

419
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:33.599
I love the fact that he was
always made for Goldie Han originally called

420
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:41.160
Killing Lydia, and you know he
got turned down and had a hard time

421
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.599
kind of getting it made. But
after Silver Streak, I guess he rewrote

422
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:51.599
it and offered it to Fara Fawcett
at some point, but couldn't get it

423
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:55.240
done because of legal troubles with Charlie. It's angels even though I saw it,

424
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.039
like I said in that second viewing, I caught her the back of

425
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:00.680
her head in the party scene and
I was like, oh, there's unmistakable

426
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:07.039
curls back there. Yep. The
alternate universe of the of the other cast

427
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:15.519
is blow your socks off amazing,
right, yes, yeah, so the

428
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:22.799
alternate movie would be fair Faucet and
Harrison Ford with Tim Conway as Stanley.

429
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:26.680
Yeah, okay, on right,
I want to see that movie. Do

430
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:30.720
you think Conway could pull off what
Dudley Moore did? I mean, don't

431
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:37.039
get me wrong. Tim Conway is
incredible when it comes to h you know,

432
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:38.960
performing with his body, performing with
you know, items and stuff,

433
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:42.039
because we see it, we've seen
it in his career. But I don't

434
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.039
know if he could have put off
what Dudley Moore did to the extent of

435
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.359
what Dudley did. You know,
I still think he would have done a

436
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.119
really good job, Don't get me
wrong, right right, I think he

437
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:55.400
would have had it. He would
have had a different tone, right,

438
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:57.759
It would have been like a Carol
Burnette thing where he kind of like pushes

439
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.279
the wrong button in the bed halls
on him. He's like, oh God,

440
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.799
what is that doing? Oh noble
dolls? Right, he would have

441
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:12.079
been apologetic. I think Dudley Moore
absolutely crushes this role. Now, Tim

442
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.839
Conway would have been funny. I
have no doubt. We're saying with you,

443
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:19.680
David. But when he is when
Dudley Moore is in his underwear and

444
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.559
he keeps trying to pull up his
pants and grab the blow up doll and

445
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:27.039
shut the shut the sex toys in
the cabinet and the music, and I

446
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.359
died laughing. And I've seen it
thirty five times. Yeah, I had

447
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.960
tears, Jason, when I was
watching the first time. I was crying.

448
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:41.359
I was laughing so hard at this
scene when he lowered the bed and

449
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:47.039
you had that music, Yes,
you got that that proto Austin Powers moment

450
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:52.359
when he's got like every light and
mechanical thing known to man. And then

451
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.519
when he's fumbling with the doll and
it seems like it has just a twinge

452
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.480
of helium in it because they're chasing
it around like a balloon that's like flying

453
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.400
around the apartment. I'm like,
I think you're used the wrong materials there.

454
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:06.200
But did you hear what he said? Did you hear what he said

455
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:10.319
for that? Because that was from
my knees like, you're not you're not

456
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:19.680
nou Yeah, So Harrison Ford was
apparently Higgins Carpenter that yeah, which is

457
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:23.960
why he wouldn't. I can't.
I'd love to see it, but I'd

458
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.839
be very interested to see, like, how does that change the trajectory of

459
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:33.000
his career? Mhmm. You know, because he turned down this movie for

460
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:38.079
Star Wars, right, so clearly
made a choice there now that this would

461
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.480
have been a bad one. But
it'd be very interesting to see him take

462
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:47.200
that charismatic kind of role, that
kind of comedy role like Frisco kid.

463
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:52.000
Right. I think he does an
amazing job in that Working Girl, so

464
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:59.039
clearly he's got comedic chops um.
But yeah, I think it'd be very

465
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:06.319
interesting. I think I think we
got the right call with Goldie over Farah

466
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:13.799
because I feel like I would have
been too focused on just seeing Farah being

467
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.160
Farah nothing. She couldn't, you
know, act beyond range. But I

468
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:22.759
feel like she had so much star
power at that point it would be harder

469
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:27.119
to see her as anything else.
Do you think it's true? Yeah,

470
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:30.759
totally so. I think that's a
different movie. Now, that's a movie

471
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:35.200
I would want to see. But
I will take the Goldie Han, Chevy

472
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:40.359
Chase, Harrison Ford, Star Wars
I'll take I'll take Star Wars with Harrison

473
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.319
Ford. I'll take this with Chevy
Chase any day of the week. But

474
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.200
still the part of me that would
like to watch, you know, Tim

475
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:51.720
Conway give it a try and Harrison
Ford try to do a comedy that would

476
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.119
be cool. But I think we
got the right combination. We did.

477
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.880
Absolutely. I think if there's any
part of me that wants to have any

478
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.079
kind of crossover with a multiverse at
all, I'd just like to find that

479
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:06.519
video store, like the alternate universe
video store, where you can just check

480
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:08.720
out some of these movies that they
made in an alternate reality and just be

481
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.920
like, I wonder what that's like. And then I see the Tim Conway

482
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.000
version of like, nopepe take it
back, take it back. Here it

483
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.680
is, I'm shut down right next
to the air stills back to the future.

484
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.799
Yeah right, oh yeah, yeah, that's that's the multiverse. I

485
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:28.119
wouldn't mind exploring, you know,
just to see what would have been some

486
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.440
of those You're right, no,
I don't want anything to do with that

487
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:31.759
yuck, but others to be like, oh, that's a really cool take.

488
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:37.200
So yeah, i'd be interested to
see Steve Martin. Yeah, I

489
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:39.519
know that he was up, he
was a contender for this. I'd like

490
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:44.000
to see what he would do with
that, like the era of like the

491
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.799
Jerk and all that, the kind
of stuff, and let's see where you

492
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:47.960
would go. Yeah, because he
would do The Jerk a year later,

493
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:52.480
right after this, so you know, that would have been right in that

494
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.799
prime time for Steve Martin. Yea, And yeah, I think he would

495
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:59.160
have could have pulled that off too. So you're right, Jason, that's

496
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.319
a really unique a lot of what
it if for this movie that would have

497
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:06.279
been okay, you know for us
to see. Typically you see a lot

498
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:07.719
of that stuff you just cringe at
it, but this one you're like,

499
00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:12.800
wow, Okay, I would have
been all right with this movie if they

500
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.559
had done it as well. But
still they made the right choice. There's

501
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.679
no doubt, no doubt. I
told Jeff, you know, because chevy

502
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.039
Chase, this is his first role. Right out of the gate, he

503
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:29.360
has some comedic moments, like clumsy
moments that really work. I think the

504
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:31.840
fumbling with the glasses at the very
beginning, I thought, yeah, he

505
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.800
nails that. That's classic chevy Chase. Saturday Night Live. Ye, he

506
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:40.920
does kind of a bumbling fall into
the to the bay when he's taken her

507
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:45.159
to his house. That one is
just a little bit over the top.

508
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:49.039
Yeah, But but he does have
some kind of serious scenes as the cop.

509
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.559
You know, yeah, you know, you follow me, you go

510
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:53.440
that way, Gloria, you stick
with me, And he's kind of the

511
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:58.920
guy in charge. And I really
enjoyed seeing him as that sort of strong

512
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:00.880
leading man. And I think we
do get that later on with Fletch,

513
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:09.599
But I don't think we got enough
strong, dramatic, charismatic chevy Chase.

514
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:14.159
As much as we could have,
we didn't. And it's funny that you

515
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:15.920
touch on that, Jason, because
I've mentioned this in a few podcasts in

516
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:24.119
the past comedic actors make the best
dramatic actors because it takes a lot to

517
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:28.079
be a comedian. It takes a
lot to come up with stuff off the

518
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.360
top of your head really fast,
to make people laugh and to make it

519
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.960
work. When you do that and
you have that talent, it is easier

520
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.880
for you to move into that dramatic
role because you've already done the most complicated

521
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.079
things. And I think you're right. I would have loved to see Chevy

522
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:46.360
Chase and more of a dramatic role
when it comes out. I mean,

523
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:50.920
look at Robin Williams. Look how
talented that guy was when it comes to

524
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.079
comedy, and yet he moved over
to the drama roles. So well,

525
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:58.840
yeah, yeah, and I think
Chevy could have done that. You know,

526
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:00.440
one of the scenes that stands out
to me, it was like,

527
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.559
wow, that's a really different look
at Chevy Chases when he was on the

528
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.719
beach and they found the body of
Scarface and you know, he's out there

529
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:13.079
with the police and he's talking to
that police officer about the body and stuff

530
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.679
what was going on, and like
the wind is whipping his hair around.

531
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:20.400
But at that moment, it felt
like this was like a serious police movie

532
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.880
which which Chevy Chase it. I
would have loved to have seen that,

533
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:27.079
no doubt, no doubt. Yeah. I think he says there's got to

534
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.320
be some clue we're overlooking, you
know. It's very yeah, you know,

535
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.000
dramatic moment. Yeah. And I
love the fact that it was written

536
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.039
into the script to give him that
opportunity, you know what I mean.

537
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:42.960
It's not playing to you know,
seeing Chevy Chase, how you're used to

538
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:45.400
seeing Chevy Chase, or how you're
used to seeing Goldie Hawn, or how

539
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:52.079
you're used to seeing even you know, Burgess Meredith given them all opportunities to

540
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.559
reach beyond into something else, but
still in pull off a comedy, which,

541
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:59.880
like you said, is not easy. Before you go too much for

542
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.199
let's take a quick break and we'll
be back for more with Jason Colvin.

543
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.320
Okay, Jason's test of our friendship? Which is better Van halen Or than

544
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:13.480
Hagar Man? Honestly, I think
Vana hagar has better music. Oh no,

545
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:15.800
no, no, no, it's
Van Hampy wrong. What about Michael

546
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.280
Jackson's bad album versus Michael Jackson's thriller
out Thriller obviously bestseller ever? No,

547
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.039
no, see people tricked themselvesn't believe
that it's actually bad. Okay, Trading

548
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:27.440
Places versus Coming to America. Trade
Places is the funnier movie out of this

549
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:32.039
No Coming to America is the funniest
movie of all time. So if you

550
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:36.039
find yourself backing one of us or
the other of us, you need to

551
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:37.840
be listening to the Shirley you Can't
Be Serious podcasts. That's right, we

552
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.360
have a friendly discussion. D and
I are best buddies, and we take

553
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.280
a deep dive and look at the
behind the scenes stuff, the history and

554
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.679
the fun facts of all these wonderful
movies and music from our youth. It's

555
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:50.960
really just an opportunity for us to
geek out about the things that we really

556
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.440
loved growing up. For example,
do you know the actor that was in

557
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:57.480
Star Wars, Batman eighty nine and
Raiders of the Lost Ark. Yeah,

558
00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.960
Chris Harrison ford Harrison ford On in
Batman? Oh yeah, Billy Dee will

559
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:01.559
Philly d. Williams was not in
Raiders of the Lost Stark. Who was

560
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:05.039
it? Well, you've got to
tune in to the Surely you Can't Be

561
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.760
Serious podcast. When we discussed Raiders
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562
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So let's talk a little bit about
the music. So let's let's score

576
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:22.679
a little bit of this. Um. I know it was composed by Charles

577
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:27.639
Fox, who has done a lot
of work, and I didn't realize that

578
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.039
he had done like the Wonder Woman
TV series theme, Happy Days, Laverne

579
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:35.519
and Shirley, the Love Boat.
He's done a lot of stuff when it

580
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.400
comes to TV themes, a lot
of famous TV themes that we all know.

581
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.000
I really like the good, mysterious
score that he gives us. It

582
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:47.320
gives us that really good Hitchcock vibe
at times, and I really respect that.

583
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:52.760
I watched a documentary where they interviewed
him about this movie and he said

584
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.639
that, like, one of the
most difficult things that he had to deal

585
00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:01.000
with in this movie was the ending
scene when you're flipping back and forth from

586
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:05.920
the opera and you're flipping to the
word Chevy Chase and Goldie Honor in the

587
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.639
car and they're racing to get there
to try to stop this assassination. He

588
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:12.239
said it was so difficult for that
music to go back and forth, back

589
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:14.599
and forth, back and forth,
that he struggled with that at times.

590
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:16.079
But hey, he pulled it off, man, because I thought that was

591
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:21.599
incredible on how they flipped back and
forth with the music there. Yeah,

592
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:23.960
Yeah, he nails it. By
the way. He also wrote Killing Me

593
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:29.159
Softly by ROBERTA. Flag, so
oh he did really yeah. Wow.

594
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.719
We on the Shirley Podcasts are going
through top five movie or excuse me,

595
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.920
top five TV themes, and we've
done nineteen seventy five to nineteen seventy nine.

596
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:44.239
We're getting ready to drop nineteen eighty
to nineteen eighty four, and then

597
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.320
we'll do e eighty five to eighty
nine. And these guys come up a

598
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:49.880
bunch because you got happy days,
you got Laverna Shirley, you got a

599
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.400
wonder woman, you know. So
we've talked to we've gone a little bit

600
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:58.320
in depth with these guys, which
I actually, you know, dropped a

601
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:02.159
little note on this podcast because of
the Barry Manos song. So right,

602
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:05.920
let's talk about that. Go for
it. Jason talked about that song.

603
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:10.719
So Barry Manilo has the song ready
to Take a Chance Again, and it's

604
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:15.320
weaved throughout this movie. He plays
of course, it's the you get the

605
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.760
studio version when they're at the party, they're playing it on the piano.

606
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:23.920
It's kind of the love theme.
It's all throughout it. And I because

607
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:28.800
I love this movie so much,
I can't not love this song. Right.

608
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:30.880
Yeah, yeah, it's it's very
catchy. I will say it's a

609
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:37.400
it's a it's an earworm, um
for sure, because I could not get

610
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.840
it out of my head, but
in a good way, Like I think

611
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:45.039
it does a great job of setting
things up with her drive along the Coast,

612
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.639
which is a great way to get
us through those opening credits that we

613
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:54.000
used to have to do all the
time. Um, and it's it's it's

614
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:59.719
just enough like it. It doesn't
have to go to crazy places. Um,

615
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.000
it's not overly romantic in um.
And it kind of sets this tone

616
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:08.280
for you know, divorcee who's trying
to kind of like get back out there,

617
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:14.360
but she's not somebody who tends to
do that, who's forced into this

618
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.360
kind of situation where she's having to
do a lot more than she ever thought

619
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:22.880
she would. Um. Yeah,
I mean it's it's it's definitely a song

620
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.760
that I'm glad that I found in
this movie. And yeah, you're just

621
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.280
you're just humming along to it the
whole time you see this movie. And

622
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.320
what's funny. What's funny too?
Is it the second time I saw this

623
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.079
movie. I didn't catch it the
first time, but watching in the second

624
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:38.320
time. You know, you have
her friends telling her, hey, you

625
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:40.800
need to take a chance, and
it pops up again. Chevy Chase says

626
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:44.239
it too, you need to take
that chance, and then you get this

627
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:45.559
song. I'm like, ah,
I see what they did here. That's

628
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:51.199
really cool. She's getting that advice
from Liddy with the brass knuckles, the

629
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:55.920
screamer she's got like the Charles Bronson
purse there. If she didn't take that

630
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.800
chance, this would not have happened
to her at all. All. That's

631
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:06.880
exactly exactly I was surprised to hear, like speaking of music, So the

632
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:13.199
Mecado, the Opera, the Savoy
Opera. I guess that's the backdrop for

633
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:21.320
the Big Climax. UM opened March
fourteenth, eighteen eighty five, which is

634
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:25.880
crazy Doc Brown could have seen it, but apparently it's one of the most

635
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:31.599
frequently played musical theater pieces in history. Was originally supposed to be a satire

636
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.800
of British politics and institutions with a
um with you know, using Japan as

637
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:42.760
a backdrop. Unfortunately, you know, when I when I was first watching

638
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.599
the scene, I was like,
it seems like you're promoting some negative asion

639
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:51.559
stereotypes. And when you look into
the you know, like the phrase uh

640
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:58.760
um you think of like the Grand
Puba from Flintstones has origins with this show.

641
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:04.119
Um names that they used with that
right um, which is you know,

642
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:09.039
not the right way to go.
But I was very interested to see

643
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.840
that. I thought it was a
made up opera. I thought that they

644
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.239
just had something that's just like,
well, he's got to be watching a

645
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:20.800
show, let's just give him something. But also kind of interesting that the

646
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:28.239
archbishop twin the Tomax that was killed
in the beginning is listening to a record

647
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:34.679
of this opera before Zabot takes him
out. So did he know about the

648
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:40.800
plot or was it just coincidence?
M that's deep man. That yeah,

649
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:45.599
I like that though. I mean
that that whole piece that they do for

650
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:51.519
that opera was incredible. It just
aided so much to depth to this movie

651
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.760
and to the epic conclusion that we
get during that. I loved it so

652
00:44:54.840 --> 00:45:00.320
much. What a what a lush
backdrop. Right, So you awesome him

653
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:05.559
opera. You've got the Pope and
we as the audience know he's in the

654
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:09.519
crosshairs of an assassin, and then
you have this incredible car chase where they're

655
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:17.519
driving through restaurants and yep, you
know, you get the far out guy.

656
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.800
But I just I think this is
just a very satisfying movie and you

657
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:28.119
have that great conclusion. Although I
do have one problem with the ending,

658
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.199
so oh please please go enlighten us. Well, I don't want to be

659
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:36.840
the downer guy. But there is
a cop that gets shot about five seconds

660
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:42.679
before they kill the albino, and
the curtains go up and everybody's all hugs

661
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.320
and kisses and there, I mean, somebody just got murdered. Like,

662
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:50.719
you know, this poor guy is
dangling, you know, and there's like,

663
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.960
we don't have time for him,
let's kiss Yeah, he's strung up

664
00:45:54.000 --> 00:46:00.239
in the HMS Pinafore. And everybody
seems to be okay with its descending.

665
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.440
They're just kind of like, yeah, let's keep going with the show.

666
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.880
It's like, you've got two dead
bodies that are dangling there close the curtains.

667
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:14.199
Yeah, that is pretty morbid.
Yeah I didn't think about that,

668
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.880
Jason. Great, the whole ending
is now ruined from me. It's okay,

669
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:22.760
think about the laughing think about the
laughing python Dave, when the cigarette

670
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:28.480
smoke, when the cigarette pack starts
burning and you get that Ernie laugh from

671
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:34.440
esme the python. Yeah yeah it's
dumb. Yeah yeah, that was that

672
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.280
pulled me out for a moment.
I was like, really it did.

673
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:43.920
It did not have a place that
was very strange. Okay, sure after

674
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:49.480
all the suffering that Shirley Python.
Apparently she was like if you look at

675
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:53.519
the credits as the python is played
by Shirley Python, um, which I

676
00:46:53.559 --> 00:47:00.719
mean, we just happened to be
talking to it. She gets smacked around

677
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:06.599
by Burgess Meredith for God's sakes about
like five times, right, and she's

678
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:08.760
the one She's like, guys,
I've been pointing to this pack of cigarettes

679
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.800
the entire time. I've been trying
to tell you. She's like silent Bob,

680
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:19.239
like it's over here. Yet.
Oh she deserved better, but she

681
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.320
did. Which I want to say
this too. My other small problem with

682
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:29.000
this movie is the mcguffin. Is
that film role correct, which I mean,

683
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.599
what, I don't know what evidence
is on this film roll that's so

684
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:37.440
important, but I mean it literally
has nothing to do with anything. It

685
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:43.760
gets burned up. It is totally
meaningless. You know, I understand that,

686
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.039
you know Gloria has this, you
know she knows about the plot to

687
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:52.079
assassinate the PILM. But really she
doesn't know anything, so the film role

688
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:57.400
is totally meaningless, has no no
impact on the story whatsoever, and just

689
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.920
gets burned up in a fire.
Whoops. Yeah, I guess the left

690
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.800
us to our imagination as they did. What's on that film? Was it?

691
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.159
Did he take pictures of like the
twin brother of them doing something illegal?

692
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.880
I don't know. We never see
that, so you're right that it's

693
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:16.000
almost pointless to this movie. That
would have to be the worst league of

694
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:22.119
assassins ever. One's like, all
right, we've got this elaborate plot.

695
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.440
Let's stand together and take pictures of
each right, so we know who's doing

696
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:29.639
it. Let's take a picture of
where it's happening, who it's going to

697
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.199
happen to. That way, if
anybody gets lost, we can just flip

698
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:37.840
through like a scrapbook and remember,
yep, we need to sneake laugh here.

699
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.079
That's right, perfect spot for it. You mentioned the far Out Cowboy

700
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:46.920
in his amazing scene where he's just
saying far out the entire time, and

701
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:51.400
Chevy gets kind of mad at him
at one point and he's like far out,

702
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.280
I know, far out, knock
at all whatever happened to that Far

703
00:48:54.280 --> 00:49:00.800
Out Cowboy in a theories? Oh
man, uh No, I don't have

704
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.280
any theories. I've got weather.
What do you got. He was later

705
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:10.920
discovered as a country singer with his
massive hit single far Out I'll do You

706
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.599
one More? Okay. I think
he started a highly successful and heavily insured

707
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:22.719
taxi service called far Out Taxis that
became part of every crash in every famous

708
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:27.800
car chase in San Francisco. So
you've got forty eight hours at men,

709
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:31.920
the Wasp, the rock hung chi
uh. He probably drops off missus doubt

710
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:37.039
fire um, and he delivers a
family to their fateful arrival in an apartment

711
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:49.480
we see in nineteen eighty six.
Is cinematic torture chamber troll Cowboy is in

712
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:53.119
every San Francisco movie. I did
come up with one thing with the Far

713
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:57.920
Out Cowboy. Yep. So he
has that stupid little pickup truck with a

714
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:02.480
little little barn attached to the to
the bed. Right. It looked to

715
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:08.559
me very similar to the same vehicle
that the terminator and Terminator two takes charge

716
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:13.400
of at the very end when they're
running from the t one thousand. He's

717
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:17.400
like, this is this vehicle's time. Yeah, so maybe he got a

718
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:23.320
hold of the far out Cowboys used
vehicle at that time and exactly and then

719
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:28.039
throws his head on the ground.
He's like, forget it, forget it.

720
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:32.199
Nothing's far out anymore. I'm gonna
nothing but trouble. That's right,

721
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:36.360
that's good, that's good. All
right, Well, let's let's rewind.

722
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:40.239
Um favorite scenes, Jason, Oh
yeah, Well, my number one favorite

723
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:45.039
scene is Dudley Moore and the uh
you know, the hard underwear and staying

724
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:50.280
alive and chasing around the blow up
dolls around the room. It is the

725
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.840
funniest scene in the entire movie,
without a doubt. Um. But I

726
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:58.960
also love the car chase and the
assassination, uh you know, the big

727
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:01.880
ramp up at the end, the
opera. All of that is spectacular.

728
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:07.159
There's so much my two So no, that's fair. I mean there's so

729
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.239
much goodness movie. I'm with you
on the Stanley Tibots and his dance and

730
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:15.880
all of that. That whole sequence
literally again had me crying. I was

731
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:22.800
laughing so hard. Um. The
fight between mister Hennessy and Gerda. Absolutely

732
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.239
love that scene because that's just seeing
uh you know, birdus meredithon like I've

733
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:30.039
never seen him before. Um,
but in the whole chase sequence to the

734
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:37.239
co Jack Bang Bang Cojack Bang Bang. Loved it so much, Scott,

735
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:42.320
what about you man? Yeah,
I mean so the two that stand out

736
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:47.280
to me, um uh the party
at the beginning when their eyes meet from

737
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:51.840
you know, across the party.
Jason. You mentioned when he uh,

738
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:57.400
when he fumbles the bar. Um, that's one of my favorite Chevy Chase

739
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:04.159
stunts because he makes it seems so
effortless, like both times, Um,

740
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.840
Like I watched it, I rewatched
it and then you know, watched the

741
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:13.000
entire move and then came back to
another time. Um, and I keep

742
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.719
looking for like the catalyst to that
or how he starts those things and you

743
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:22.000
can't see it. It's a Blurnum. He does that so well. I

744
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.559
think it's it's a favorite of mine
more than the prat falls and and everything

745
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.960
else that he does. The fumbling
is just amazing. It's awesome. It

746
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.920
is. Yeah, and he's just
it's it's a he's a magician with that

747
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:39.679
kind of stuff. Um. I
would say, Um the day, I

748
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:45.559
gotta agree with you about the uh. The Hennessy m Gerda Wrestling match um.

749
00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:51.079
They do such a great job with
his character to take it from just

750
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:53.679
kind of like, Oh, I'm
the you know, I'm the kindly,

751
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:58.239
kind of you know, super the
building that's kind of taking care of everybody.

752
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.079
Oh, but I happened to be, you know, an anthropologist.

753
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:05.480
Oh I happen to have a python. Oh I happened to karate. Now

754
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.159
I'm going to throw down in the
climax and beat one of the villains.

755
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:13.760
Like I never would have guessed that
in a thousand years, But I'm glad

756
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.719
that we saw it. The look
on his face when he goes into that

757
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:22.320
karate mode and she's like kicking her
shoes off. Yeah, lose it every

758
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:30.320
time. Yeah, And I would
have to say, you know, as

759
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:35.960
much as I think he's being tortured, I think Billy Barty has a great

760
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.199
performance in this, Like he makes
you feel so sorry for him when he's

761
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:44.280
laying in that bed and everything is
on pulleys and the casts and also the

762
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:49.239
kind of stuff. Like I said
before, he has that kind of menacing

763
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:57.719
angle and he's just he's got such
an iconic face. You and I talked

764
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:00.760
about it in Lord of the Rings, being able to see that he was

765
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:06.360
the you know um involved in kind
of the rotocasting for that and the performances

766
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:14.159
for Sam Wise and bilbo U.
But he had an amazing career. He

767
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:21.960
had a he was an activist that
started Little People of America on behalf of

768
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.480
people with short stature and as of
twenty twenty three, it's got like seventy

769
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:31.360
five hundred members, raises awareness and
helps with employment, education, disability rights,

770
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:37.039
adoption, medical issues for people a
short stature. So U the fact

771
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:43.559
that he's had such a big career
and done so much with it, and

772
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:47.400
to see him in this role just
totally stealing the scene. I just I

773
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:52.639
just loved to see it. Yeah, those are my three standouts. Nice

774
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:58.519
let's not forget the elderly ladies playing
scrabble. Yes, oh yeah, that

775
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:02.719
was fantastic. You can't use that. There's a hyphen in the right.

776
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:09.840
And then she spelled mother with a
US. That's a nice touch. It's

777
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:14.679
so subtle too. They never ever
put it that. You never see it

778
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.599
spelled out right right, right,
you see. And then you see her

779
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:22.320
plate and it's got uc k right, and then you know, you see

780
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:24.880
then she adds the er you know, and oh gosh, it's hilarious.

781
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.519
It is perfect camera work. It
is just, you know, a scene

782
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:30.840
that you wouldn't expect it because it's
out of place, But I mean it's

783
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.679
not out of place. It fits
perfectly right there. You know, just

784
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.679
keeps you laughing and keeps you so
engaged with what is going on because of

785
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:40.880
course you have poor Glory outside just
trying to get their attention. Oh,

786
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:44.440
they're just paying their game. You
know, who cares what's going on out

787
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:51.480
in the world. Great stuff,
great stuff. Um So, any quotes

788
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:54.960
that you guys might have found from
somebody who worked on this film. I

789
00:55:55.039 --> 00:56:00.800
found a couple. Jason, do
you have any when when Stanley is asking

790
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:05.960
When she's asking Stanley for binoculars and
he's like, oh you're into that too,

791
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:10.960
I'm like, is there a sexual
perversion that I don't really understand involving

792
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:16.159
binoculars here? Literally? Yeah?
Well, the fact that he takes them

793
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:21.039
with him to the bathhouse, which
is like that's totally enclosed. What do

794
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.800
you you bird watching in there?
Like you've got nothing to do there and

795
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:28.039
they're gonna be all fogged up.
I don't know. I think you just

796
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:30.199
I think you just like binoculars.
A whole lot. Yeah. I think

797
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:35.559
one of my favorite lines in this
movie is was when Gloria's friend was telling

798
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:40.239
her, you're walking light bulb waiting
to be screwed. I just lost it.

799
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.880
And then literally, like a little
after that, they transitioned to the

800
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:46.159
light when she gets captured, they
transitioned to the light bulb hanging. I

801
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:51.199
don't know if you guys, yes, it was. It was genius.

802
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:53.920
I'm like, oh, that is
perfect edited. I loved it. That

803
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:59.719
is great. Yep, absolutely,
Scott, what about you anything? Um

804
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.039
Well, I did see some interesting
quotes about the production of the movie outside

805
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.679
of the script. There was a
night this was. It was hard to

806
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.599
find digging back into the archives,
but there's a nineteen seventy eight interview with

807
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.440
New York Times that talked about Goldie
Hawn where she was talking about this movie

808
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:20.440
being kind of a turning point.
So I guess at that point she had

809
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:23.440
stepped away from film for a little
bit. I think when she was making

810
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:30.760
this she had just had her first
child at the time, so she had

811
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:35.079
said, you know, I'm a
woman now, not a sexually little nym

812
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:37.239
fat I used to think I was. I think I used to be a

813
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:42.159
cross between a puritanical angel and an
infant. I was young and naive,

814
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:45.840
but I'm different now. In foul
Play, there's definitely a woman there.

815
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.880
I'm different now, but I still
possess a sense of hope. I do

816
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.320
think doing myself a disservice as a
human being if I deny that. I

817
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.480
like to do comedies because I feel
like I can move people up. I

818
00:57:55.599 --> 00:58:00.440
like to light light people up and
do kind of things. I have guests

819
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.880
not given to everybody, that there's
a very serious aspect to me that has

820
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.519
never been shown on film. I
hope I'll be able to reveal that without

821
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:12.119
confronting rejection from people who want to
see me in a certain way. So

822
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:19.000
it's interesting to see she's kind of
crossing over from laughing and kind of roles

823
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:22.119
that she had had a lot of
success with before, but she can definitely

824
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.599
see her going in a different direction. I know that this movie made Private

825
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:30.159
Benjamin possible. I think we're definitely
seeing tones of this and things like Overboard

826
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:37.880
and Wildcats and I and Death becomes
her for sure. So I love that

827
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:40.800
we're able to see that moment happen
here and you can see it on film.

828
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:45.360
The way that she's carrying herself in
the scenes. It's it's it's great

829
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:50.159
to see her have that kind of
transformative moment and to see her have other

830
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.559
types of those moments in her career. What about you, Dave, I

831
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:57.119
am Chevy Chase. I was found
a little one on him as basically he

832
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:01.119
was talking about his professional regrets on
some of the roles that he was offered

833
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:05.880
and he didn't take um. He
says, I turned down Forrest Gump,

834
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.320
I turned down American Giggilo. There
are many films that Ghostbusters that I turned

835
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:14.400
down. The first one I did
with foul Play with Goldie Han, but

836
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:17.199
I turned down National Lampman's Animal House. I turned that down. So all

837
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:22.440
those I regret only because they made
huge amounts of money and I would be

838
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:27.239
very wealthy. But I don't regret
working with Goldie. I don't regret the

839
00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:29.840
projects that I did do. I
just thought that was kind of neat.

840
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.280
Yeah, I didn't know he was
up with Forrest Gump. I was like,

841
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:35.800
oh, okay, I'm glad you
didn't take that, But okay,

842
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:38.440
how about that. I have been
a whole different type of film, wouldn't

843
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:43.440
it. Are you guys familiar with
seems like old times. I was just

844
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:46.679
about to ask you that I have
not seen that. Great, that's a

845
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:52.000
great follow up. It's the same
chemistry here, but she added Charles Grodin

846
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.960
in kind of a bank robbery aspect. It's fantastic. If you like this

847
00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:00.360
one, you'll love that one.
Yeah, all right, then I definitely

848
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:02.800
will. Well, I'm a big
midnight I'm a big midnight run fan.

849
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:07.880
That's the one, too awesome.
Yeah, it's like running scared. If

850
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:13.719
I happen to find it on I've
got to not sit and watch it.

851
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:16.559
I've got to stop whatever I'm doing
and pop in the DVD, Blu Ray,

852
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:21.679
whatever it is, and started from
the start. I absolutely love that.

853
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:23.320
So now that I know that I've
got these two plus Charles Grodin,

854
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:28.320
yeah, I'm gonna give a shot. Absolutely good suggestion. I'm definitely gonna

855
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:30.400
check it out, Jason, since
you said that, because I love this

856
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:32.719
one, so I'll definitely check that
out for sure. Yea, all right,

857
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:36.440
let's talk about the impact of this
film. That's one of the things

858
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:38.360
that we, you know, discussed
in the film at forty five is a

859
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:42.480
lot of the all these films have
some kind of impact that has done on

860
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:46.880
the film industry later in the years. Clearly, this is I mean,

861
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:50.920
Goldie already had a career going on, um, you know, but this

862
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:53.199
one really launched her. Scott,
just as you mentioned, it's gonna give

863
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:58.159
her that private Benjamin and it's gonna
send her into the eighties where she's just

864
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:00.239
gonna do so many great movies for
us that we're going to see and just

865
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:06.639
launch her career even further. Dudley
Moore, this is his wake up call

866
01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:08.480
to America. You know, this
is our first American film with him.

867
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:13.000
We didn't know anything about him,
and we just saw his Stanley Tibbott was

868
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:15.840
his hysterical and we saw what he
was going to be able to bring to

869
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:21.480
movies. And he easily got more
roles after this. And of course chevy

870
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:25.480
Chase making his leap from SNL to
the big screen for the first time.

871
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:31.239
We're already starting to see those things
that we see that chevy Chase brings to

872
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:34.639
the screen. Scott, you've already
mentioned it. Jason, you've already mentioned

873
01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:37.719
it, and you're you're set up
what we're going to see in the eighties

874
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.159
and the nineties and going and going
on with him. So those are just

875
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:44.840
some of the impacts that we're seeing
already with this movie. What about you,

876
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:49.719
guys, Yeah, I mean I
would say that if you enjoy Wildcats,

877
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:57.559
Fletch Ten, Arthur, National,
Lampoon's Vacation, Three Amigos, you

878
01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:00.199
know, any of those movies this
you got to go back to where it

879
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:07.239
all started in the match Hit the
Flame in nineteen seventy eight with foul Play.

880
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:12.199
Yeah, yeah, I would agree
absolute, And I would even say

881
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.360
like First Blood and Tommy Boy because
Dannehy gets his start here, right,

882
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:21.039
Wow, Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, I mean i'd say that,

883
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:25.679
like, um, in terms of
like a subgenre when you've got the U

884
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:32.400
the comedic thriller or you know,
um, a semi action movie that's like

885
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:37.199
makes me think of like Beverly Hills
Cop. Right. There are a lot

886
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:43.239
of moments in Beverly Hills Cop where
Eddie is being dead serious about his friend,

887
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:45.000
about his work as a detective,
all this other kind of stuff.

888
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:49.840
At the same time, he's got
that balance of you know, all the

889
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:53.199
actual folio moments when he's putting the
bananas in the tailpipe and like all the

890
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:58.039
funny stuff. There's a good balance
there, to show that range, to

891
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:01.599
see that dramatic, you know,
dipping into the dramatic, balancing it with

892
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:07.079
the comedy. I think this is
something that showed that that kind of formula

893
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:12.000
can be successful. And you talk
about how Higgins wanted to make this,

894
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:15.320
you know, a callback to Hitchcock
and reverence to that and respect to that.

895
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:20.039
So he was very careful, very
deliberate in his shots, but knew

896
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.199
what kind of movie he was making. You've got somebody falling out of a

897
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:28.679
whim window after being hit with the
broom, dropping down a flight of stairs

898
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:31.679
and a barrel, and you have
a laughing python and a wrestling burgess Meredith,

899
01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:36.920
but you've also got some serious turns. It shows that it works,

900
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.119
So I'm glad they did it.
It's it's really neat when you look back

901
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:45.159
on these kind of movies after so
many years, you know, you see

902
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:50.679
where these people got their start,
where ideas of these movies got their start.

903
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.679
It's and how it just blew up
throughout the eighties and nineties, and

904
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:58.920
how you have all these like different
tangents of of you know, and Scott

905
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:00.639
you mentioned it. What if Ford
didn't do that? What if Ford had

906
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:03.800
done this one and didn't New Star
Wars. You have so many what ifs

907
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:08.519
on stuff like that that you don't
realize what kind of impact that would have

908
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:12.400
had on the industry. Or there's
people's careers, you know. And it's

909
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:15.440
nice to go back and revisit these
like we do with these podcasts because you

910
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:17.639
get to you get to see that. You know, you don't realize that

911
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:20.320
when you first see these movies back
then, because you know you're not thinking

912
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:24.840
about that stuff because you don't know
what the future holds. But going back

913
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:27.880
and look at these now, you're
like, wow, look how that worked

914
01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:32.199
itself out. That is just crazy, good stuff, good stuff, all

915
01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:36.360
right. So, um, I
would like to thank all of our listeners

916
01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:40.440
out there and clear clearly you can
reach out to us if you have any

917
01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:45.400
questions or anything like that. So, Jason, I really appreciate you hanging

918
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:48.920
out with us and talking about Foul
Play with us. I'm glad I got

919
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:55.519
my Jason time. I'm gonna tell
Jeff I need more of it. Yeah,

920
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:58.440
I'm so glad you guys had me
on. I love hanging out with

921
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:00.199
you guys. I love this movie. I love your podcast. You guys

922
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:03.039
are killing it with your your own
thing here. Thank you. I am

923
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.440
a big fan. I may be
your biggest fan out there. Actually,

924
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:10.599
wow, well wow that means a
lot huge. Yeah, you're wow.

925
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:15.559
You're a star of the podcast world. Man. Seriously, I love the

926
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:20.280
chance to talk to you, but
I love the chance to talk about about

927
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:26.679
movies and really kind of geek out
about movies that maybe don't get a lot

928
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:30.920
of attention or haven't been dusted off
in a while. So yeah, that

929
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:33.559
you're exactly the reason why we want
to do this, this series. So

930
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:36.960
thanks for being a part of it. So what do you have coming next

931
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:42.639
in the Surely Can't Be Serious Podcast? We are right in the middle of

932
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:45.119
our top ten TV themes I was
telling you about. We've got three different

933
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:49.679
breakdowns to that. We got late
seventies, early eighties, late eighties,

934
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:55.079
and then we're actually doing one from
seventy eight. We're doing every which way

935
01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:59.599
but loose by Clint Eastwood, nice
versus any which way you can. Oh,

936
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:02.760
and we can't wait for that.
And then right after that we're doing

937
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:10.960
war games versus tron So okay,
yeah, we actually have a guy who

938
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:15.079
works for the Defense part Department.
He's coming on he's talking about the actual,

939
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:18.639
real live war games. It's going
to be really cool. So that's

940
01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:26.599
fantastic about I love hearing about that
TV theme um sub series that you're doing,

941
01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.920
because it's it's such a it's such
a brilliant thing to not only kind

942
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:32.599
of get into the favorites, and
of course it makes you kind of like,

943
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:35.440
you know, share that experience and
say like, yeah, that's my

944
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:39.719
favorite too, or listen to somebody
to talk about when you haven't heard about

945
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:43.559
what in a while, but uh, what you what you what you guys

946
01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:45.920
do there? When you get into
the deep cuts, when you get into

947
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:49.440
the stories behind it, it makes
it so much richer and it makes you

948
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:53.480
enjoy this stuff so much more.
So I can't hear I can't wait to

949
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.719
hear the next one to be fantastic. Thank you, Thank you very much.

950
01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:00.079
It's really just to keep going with
the TV themes. We don't have

951
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.559
any cool TV themes anymore. No, it's it's gone. It's gone.

952
01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:08.039
Well Stranger Things. Stranger Things has
a pretty good one, but it's not

953
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:10.559
the same. It's not the same
kind of thing. It's more like an

954
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:14.599
opening yeah. Tone. I mean, when when I think of TV themes.

955
01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:16.519
You know, I'm really looking at
like the Golden Girls through his Company,

956
01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:19.679
right, you know those kind of
things when it comes to sitcom.

957
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:23.960
You don't have that anymore, even
Night Cord, I can't tell. I

958
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:29.119
guess maybe Friends Signstone might even in
the last really good ones, maybe did

959
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.639
the Big Bang Theory have one?
I don't remember? Oh yeah, a

960
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:34.119
good one? Yeah, okay,
so maybe a Big Bang was the last

961
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:39.800
really good one that I can remember
in recent times. Well, I will

962
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:45.679
say I gotta give credit to my
man. Steve Burns from Blues Clues recorded

963
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:51.480
Mighty little Man on his own,
so his first breakout um recording after leaving

964
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:57.559
Blues Clues. He did songs for
Dustamites, and he had this great track

965
01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:00.280
on there called Mighty little Man.
And when I saw Young Sheldon startup and

966
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.199
I heard that song, I was
like, oh my god, Steve Hearn's

967
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:08.039
nice. I didn't know. Wow, Yeah, that's that's fantastic. But

968
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:11.239
that's the last one. You're right. It just doesn't happen anymore, No,

969
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:14.320
it doesn't. So that's a good
podcast, Jason, good good one.

970
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.039
I look forward to hearing those because
I love TV themes and it just

971
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:20.039
doesn't happen anymore. So many good
ones back then, so many good ones.

972
01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:25.399
And it's a shared experience, right
because we're all watching three channels right,

973
01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:29.800
yes, yes, absolutely really neat
so Jason. If anybody wanted to

974
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:32.079
reach out to you, guys,
how how can they contact you? Absolutely?

975
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:34.960
We are the Surely you Can't Be
Serious podcast. You can find us

976
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:41.920
on Twitter at Shirley Podcast, on
Facebook at Shirley Podcast. You can email

977
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:46.000
us at Shirley podcast at gmail dot
com. But we're on podcasts. Where

978
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:49.479
are you listen? We're there.
We'd love to have you. Absolutely awesome

979
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:55.680
and for us, what's up next
for our Scott we have so we're gearing

980
01:08:55.760 --> 01:09:00.159
up for the end of our limited
series with Forced ten from Avaronne with the

981
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:05.520
one and only Carl Weathers, Harrison
Ford, a baby faced Robert Shaw,

982
01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:12.359
Richard Keel, Edward Fox, Barbara
Bach and franco'neiro. Uh. That is

983
01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:15.560
one that I cannot wait to see
again and talk about the same here mans,

984
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:23.720
Barbara Bach, this is true.
That should be on the poster like

985
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:28.800
they've got all the names. And
then that's right, exactly all right,

986
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:30.800
So if you want to leave a
comma discuss what's next or even house touggestions.

987
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:34.680
You can find us at www.
A film by podcast dot com,

988
01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:39.119
A film by a podcast at gmail
dot com. I filmed by a podcast

989
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:43.720
on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.
Until our film real start rolling again.

990
01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:46.640
Go out, watch something new,
watch something different, and who knows what

991
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:50.840
you will discover next. Thanks everyone, all right, Thank you Jason,

992
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:54.439
Thank you Davey, Thanks for having
me. Guys. We'll see you all

993
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:55.399
right. Thanks guys,