A Film at 45 - Foul Play

0:00 Hello everyone, and welcome back to nineteen seventy eight in a Film Buys limited series, A Film at forty five. I am David Burns, and I'm Scott Hofman and I'm Jason Golden. How's it going. It's going great, gentlemen, Beware of the dwarf? Are we ready? Are we ready to take a chance again? Grab your screamer, mace, brass, knuckles, and even your umbrella, as we're heading into a mystery, suspense and even some comedy, a film that is an homage to the suspense movies of Alfred Hitchcock, such as The Thirty Nine Steps, Saboteur, North But Northwest, and The Man Who Knew Too Much. Of course, we're talking about foul play, the body, Where's the boy up? You gotta see how absurdad the thing is? Well, gentleway, before we really dive into this, I want to welcome our and I want to say I am privileged and honor to have him joining us today. Absolutely, and that of course is Jason Colvin from Shirley You Can't be serious podcast. Jason. Welcome to A Film at forty five. Hey, you guys, thank you so much for having me. I am fired up to talk about this movie. I told you

1:34 I have loved this movie for over forty years, so I am super excited to talk about cool. You're the perfect person to talk to and I love listening to your show. It's absolutely amazing. If if there's there happens to be a listener out there that has not caught the shurely you can't be serious podcast, you're missing out on on a serious, uh seriously fun podcast. The verses up episodes, they do the soundtracks, they do the favorite albums of all time head to head, and it's it's amazing, especially if you're on road trips for your work. If you're a movie fan, you owe it to yourself to check them out. Thank you, Thank you very much, appreciate that. You know, it's funny with with Jeff at a film, but I keep I keep telling him, you know, when do I get to talk to Jason. This isn't fair. You get to have all the podcasts with him, Scott and I don't get anything. Come on, man, you gotta share it. We gotta pick the right movies, which is clearly Yeah, thanks for having me on. I'm first of all, look out for the elf and then Secondly, I am, yeah, super excited to talk about this movie with you guys. Ah, so, well, I tell you what. So this movie was released in July fourteenth, nineteen seventy eight, with a budget of five million dollars. It would end up earning forty five million, So I would say a pretty successful film.

2:58 Would you both agree? Oh? Yeah, absolutely. I was surprised by how successful this was and I've never seen it at all. Wow, I had neither, Jason, So I hope you don't really ask for this, but yeah, so Scott, since we're talking about that, you know, neither one of us had seen this until we started to do research for this podcast. How would you describe this movie? Somewhat? This was a tough one, but a fun one. And Jason, you'll have to let me know if I'm if I'm setting it up the right way. It's the summer of seventy eight in San Francisco and something sinister is in hot pursuit of Goldie Hawn in this Hitchcock style comedy thriller. After a semi blind date ends with a dead man, she finds herself being pursued by a group of assassins looking for the secrets that she doesn't even know she's hiding. But she's not alone watching her back or the detective duo of Chevy Chase and Brian Dennehy, her heavily armed best friend and a python loving burgessed the penguin Meredith. Together they help solve the mystery that's putting her in danger and discover a bigger plot that threatens the newest Pope. It's a far out chase that spans the city with a blend of charisma, comedy, intrigue, and a few cringing moments.

4:05 I gotta say that became one of the most successful comedies in nineteen seventy eight. So shine up the nostalgic glasses and taking a look at foul Blay good Man. Thanks God. So Jason, I've got to ask you, how many times have you seen this movie? I tell you, I think I've seen this movie probably thirty or forty times. Wow. This is one of those movies that was on like the ABC Sunday Night movie. Yeah, and I just I just attached myself to it. I was gonna say, so when was it in heavy rotation? Way back before VCRs. So just yeah, you know, it's one of those deals where it was just one of those things that when it came on, I was glued to the TV.

4:46 Yeah, which I mean, oh, go ahead. I was just gonna say, it's similar to like, it's one of those checkpoints in my life where you know, I'm a kid, but I'm trying to figure out, you know, what's cool and how to adults interact and what's a love story and and so I'm I'm looking for those cues from movies, and this is one of those that I looked to, you know. So yeah, yeah, Well it's no surprise that I got heavy rotation in the eighties because this is before Fletch, before Private Benjamin, before Wildcats. Um, and they Chevy Chase and Goldie Haunt both took off after this one. Um. And it's a it's a movie that I would say, um, plays pretty clean, what is it rated? PG? Yeah? PG? Yeah, Um and thinking about you know, other things in the Chevys catalog that might not necessarily fit that bill. Um, Yeah, no surprise, I got heavy rotation. It's it's funny. I don't know how this movie escaped me.

5:46 Um when when I finally sat down to watch it to work on this podcast, i've got halfway through it, I found myself really entertained. Yeah. I mean, if you're looking through you know, twenty twenty three glasses, you're like, okay, but you gotta look at it when in its time period of nineteen seventy eight, and I found myself laughing. I found myself having a really good time with this movie. I was when I got done with it, I was kind of embarrassed. I was like, why have I never seen this movie before? Because I had a really good time in watching this. I really did, so, Jason, I can see why you liked it someone. It's just super entertaining, right. I mean, you've got I wrote down a list of really good stuff for a particularly for a young kid. Right. You've got evil twins. You've got bombastic opera music. You've got a psycho villainous You've got a cool mcguffin little film role.

6:35 It's very James Bond. Yep. You've got the wise sage, you know, the burgess Meredith character who's also a karate master. Yeah, you've got a killer albino. You've got mysterious midgets. You've got a good guy and a damsel in distress who fall in love and then you have got Dudley Moore at his comic relief best. Yeah. Yeah, I love the use of Dudley Moore in this one that they keep that he keeps gonna swing in and out of the movie, like you think he's just gonna be kind of this, you know, passing role, and he keeps coming back and back and back. If anything, I think I'd want to get more deadly, more scenes in there. But it was a brilliant use of him, Absolutely brilliantly anyway, I get laid the entire movie. I don't think he did know. He didn't know how he tried. He didn't know, And I didn't realize this was his American film debut. You know that's you know I and I can definitely see why he took off after this movie, because, um, if this was the first time I had seen him, I was like, this guy is gonna go far, and you can see why.

7:38 He very talented guy, and he shows it off in this movie. Yeah, I'd be so afraid, Yeah, I'd be so afraid of getting typecast. I'd be like, I can play other things other than a sex maniac composer. It's okay, I can see well. Well again, with this being the first time I had seen this movie, I didn't know how many times he was going to pop up, you know, so I wasn't expecting him to be the conductor at the opera there. Yes, great, yeah, yeah, he played that so well. And I mean this had a lot of great um um. Aside from being a box office hit, was very well received by critics, was up for a lot of awards, uh seven Golden Globes. You've got Best Picture, Comedy act Best Actress for Goldie Hawn, Best Actor for Chever Chase, Best Supporting Actor for Dudley Moore, um, and the you know, the the earworm that we'll get into a little bit later. Barry Manilo's ready to take a Chance again nominated for an oscar Um. Again. It's it's so weird that like that it was hard to find this movie, and that it that it never crossed my screen.

8:50 I wish it had a bit sooner. But I'm glad we're here to talk about it. Same same here, um. You know, but let's let's talk more about this cast that we have. You know, we've already mentioned Goldie Hawn, We've mentioned Chevy Chay and I find it interesting for JV Chases the fact that he was the first one from Saturday and Alive to make it into films, just barely narrowing out Blushi with Animal House, so you always have that on her. Hey, I beat you by a little bit, but you know what, I'm still the first one on the big screen. Beat him by like fourteen days, right, yes, very very close. It's crazy, I know. But you know, Goldie Han, I absolutely love her. Um, you know, it's funny. I hadn't seen a Goldie Han movie in a long time, so watching this one and again for the first time, I forgot just how wonderful she really was, you know, not just beautiful, but talented and everything she does, I mean, you just she just glows on screen. Yeah, and any when you watch her, you can see why she was so successful in her career. Yeah, totally hurt. She's charming, she's likable, she's cute, but she's also sixy. I mean sometimes it's hard to get both right. Um, and she's she's just so lovable. Yeah, and then her chemistry was chevy.

10:00 I think is spot on. I think they both look great, Like this is their physical peak. It looks like a Clark Gable leading man and she's a babe and they just work so well together. Absolutely, the first time they met each other at the at the party, you know where they lock eyes across the party and of course the Chevy Chase becomes Chevy Chase and starts stumbling around and making a mess up. Yeah. Great, well, And I love the fact that I was trying to think of the right word to describe her, and I feel like in this movie it's captivating, right because she's she's not treated as an object the whole time. She's not there just for you know, just for show and be you know, arm candy or whatever. But her you can see a turn in her acting um that she wants to, you know, get into different roles, kind of get away from um some of the you know, how she was perceived and things like laughing. But still just I feel like every time she's on the screen absolutely captures your attention and um and does so well in the scenes, like she she takes control of those scenes. She might be the damsel in distress or in pursuit or whatever, but she doesn't play that. She's totally taking charge. She's probably doing more than Chevy taste does oh yeah, to help her own case, so absolutely. Yeah. Well, I mean he even disappears for a little while because it's her film, you know, right, it's it's all about you know, if you kind of forget about Chase there

11:31 a little while, and then he finally comes back into the picture like, oh, okay, there he is. You know. So I found that quite interesting too, But you're right, you mean, he Chevy was just really coming into his own and the big screen here, so you know, it was just the start of it, and we knew what kind of career he would have after this. Yeah. I saw an interview with Chevy Chase talking about foul Play and he said this was his big screen debut and he was nervous. Like, it's hard for me to imagine Chevy. He's just such a natural. Yeah, of course, he'd been on SNL. He was nervous and he was looking at her. He said he couldn't get his lip to stop quivering. It was the scene where he said you have the most beautiful blue eyes and she said they're green. Yeah, it was that scene, and he's like, he said, she pulled him through that.

12:18 Yeah, he just leaned on her and she was the she was the movie star. He was just some you know, some jerk from Saturday Night Live, and she just carried him through that, which I thought was fascinating. Yeah, I could tell. I think I know the scene you're talking about it, and you can tell that there's just that little break in the Chevy chase charm, you know, where you can see his mouth kind of like I'm not quite sure what to do. I've never seen him react that way, so it's interesting he was actually that nervous in the filming. Interesting. Yeah, coming from somebody that of that caliber, that's like, wow, okay, but hey, they get nervous too, you know, I mean until they get used to performing. But m and some of them's will don't get used to it. You know. It's just you get that fear when you go in front of the camera. Sometimes, even though you're talented, it still happens. Yeah. You know, there's one thing I wanted to point out to you guys that I saw for the first time. So I've seen this movie tons. Yeah, but when he is he he asked her, you know, he sticks his foot in his mouth. He asked her if she wants to take a shower and of course, she's like, get lost, dude. You know, she walks off. He actually locks eyes with the camera. It's like a rookie mistake, like he's been rejected.

13:31 He's still in character, but it's almost like he looks up at like, how is that? Guys? Did that? I do? Okay? And he looks directly at the camera, and I was like, oh man, one small mistake. But you know, he's a rookie. Sorry. Yeah, he's not used to that, so that makes sense. But you know what's funny is I didn't remember that, But that's funny many times did you see this? You caught that? Right? I wonder if they saw that and they were kind of like, let's just give him like a glimmer of breaking the fourth wall, but was still an accident. No, um, well, let's tell more about some other cast members. Of course, the wonderful and talented burgess Meredith ya as mister Hennessey, who owns the apartment complex and is an anthropologist. Is that right? That is it what he was?

14:16 He's just the super to me, I don't I don't really know is he an anthropologist. I think he was an anthropologist like before. I think it just owns the apartment complex now. But I think in you know, before that he was anthropologis because I think he was talking to her when she was first in his apartment, you know, with the cookies and stuff like that. Um. I believe he mentioned to her that he was in Africa and he was like getting a book out and was reading from it, like right, yeah, when he's slapping the bow constructor like five times, which I was. I was surprised. That's a that's a well trained, uh animal. Yeah, it was a little shocked by that. Like all right, Burgess, all right, calm down, man, you're gonna get back.

14:58 I don't want the pithe undeth the penguin. Just take it easy. Yeah, no kidding, man. But I will always remember him as Mickey from Rocky. Um. You know, that was my first experience with Burgess Meredith. So it's always nice to go back and see movies I've never seen before, like this one and get to see him again, you know, when he was just in the prime of his career. Yeah. I just just love it. The guy was so talented. Man. Even I don't know if you guy said he's seen grumpy old Man or Grumpy or old Man when he played when he played Grandpa Dude, he hilarious, Yes, he was hilarious. And you know he goes from I mean, Mickey's a tough character, right, I mean he you know crap, you know, spits fire and craps lightning or whatever it is. And then in this he's a sweet old man and grumpy old man, he's kind of a dirty old man.

15:46 And then in Clash of the Titans, he's kind of that wise Obi Wan character. Right, yeah, right, He's all different types. He's he's very talented, he is he is This the role where he kicks, but the most in his entire career. Because you've got like Grandpa Gustuffson from Grumpy Old Men, You've got Gallobulus from Gi Joe the movie Cobra Law Mickey, You've got Ammon from Um Clash of the Titans. You've got the penguin from Batman sixty six. Uh. I saw that he was Ernie Pyle in the first Gi Joe movie, The Story of g I Joe, which I know is not the Hasbro Gi Joe, but still this connection there. Sure, Um, this is the most I've seen him ever throw down. Given from his first scene where he's like, oh, get him if they get your Gloria. Yeah, and he kind of like, you know, chops at the air. But then he goes full on like you know Jake the Snake Roberts years before the WWF and throws down with Evil Gerda. I'm like, go, Mickey, yes, I'm gonna show I'm gonna show him my hand because that was like my favorite scene when they're they're tied up and they're just watching him have this fight with it, but just the space is like is this really happening? Yeah? Well that was one of those moments where it seemed like it was getting into like, um, it's got a couple of moments where it goes from one comedy to the other. There's like the comedy thriller. Uh, there's the you know, romantic comedy kind of thing,

17:18 and then with Burgess Meredith, you've got kind of the not necessarily slapstick but kind of getting into the National lampoon kind of thing where you're gonna get let's just throw in kind of a ridiculous moment, right. Um that that was just nice to see. It was kind of like a good range, and I think especially for you know, like you said Jason, growing up as a kid seeing this PJA movie, there's a lot of things to to latch onto. Yeah. Absolutely. Of course we've got Brian denny Hey as Fergie. Brian has done a ton of stuff, um, you know, huge laundry list of movies that he's done that we all know him talked about. Um FX Scott, I believe you talked out with didn't you. Yeah, yeah, so you know he's all over the place too. Um.

18:07 Of course we have Eugene Roach as the archbishop. You know he's got a big career as well. Um. Billy Barty as JJ was at McEwen I believe with his name, ye yes, yeah yeah, Bible salesman, pushy Bible salesman. Yes. Oh man, that scene, I tell you what, Scott, I know that bothers you that scene that the way Billy already was treated. But I gotta tell you it was steel funny. So there there's a there's a mix there. And you know, with respect to Billy, you know the the scene that made me just like Wins, which I know is the reason. You know, that's the reaction You're supposed to have fallen down those steps in the barrel. I was just gonna like, oh man, you did him dirty there. Oh god, and that bouncing barrel went for like what ten minutes, it's going on thousand miles an hour or two, you know. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but he did a great job. When he first shows up, he's got I mean, I know he's supposed to be this, you know, an innocent salesman, Bible salesman, um, but he's got some uh he's working the sinister angle.

19:15 Yeah there when he first shows up. Um, well, even emits it in the hospital that he's a little too pushy. Clearly you are, man, I hope this is the first time he's had that kind of experience. But yeah, when he first meets here, he goes hie tuts right, not normally the Bible salesman opening line. But all right, that's not in the training manual. No, no, not at all. Well we'll go with it though, right. Yeah. Um, I want to tell you one guy who really freaked me out in this movie was William frank Father, who was whitey. Yeah, that dude was creepy. I don't know about you guys, but man definitely didn't. Jason. I think you touched on that about the James Bond thing. I mean, he could be a James Bond villain, there's no doubt, totally. He's so scary. I mean he does have that physical condition which makes his stand out right. Yeah, and then you know he's got those weird eyes, and then he's always creeping around. I don't think he says a word the entire movie. No, he doesn't even make a sound like he's dragging Gloria all through the back of the opera house. No grunts, no grunts, no sounds. Yeah, very scary. Yeah, I love him. He's a very cool bad guy. Yeah. Really, whoever he reached out to in that phone booth, he had to just be hitting like buttons. Yes, you're right, right right, that's awesome. Here's one of the things too, I found interesting. Um Chuck McCann, who's the theater manager. Um he uh.

20:41 I used to love DuckTales, So I don't know if you guys know he's done. This guy's done a lot of voice work over the years for cartoons, tons of voice for it. But he was Duckworth from Duck Tails, which I found Wow, that's awesome. Yeah. And some of the Beagle Boys, Yes, and some of the Beagle Boys. That's right. Yeah. Um, it's really neat to see those kind of people when in person, when you're saying you see the voices. Jason, we kind of talked about a bit while ago. You know, when you not seeing anybody, you just hear their voice all the time, and you finally see them, you know, on screen or something, you see their face for the first time, like, oh okay, so that's how that's what they look like, right right right? You know? Um? And then was it Don Calfess Scarface? That guy is like always creepy? Um? Was the weekend at Bernie's. He was in, Um, you know, Running Scared, which was discussed in the eighty six series two pops up. Scared is another one of those movies for me that I attached to Oh yes, I'm with you, it is it is, um. But we also got to talk about the director himself too, Um, Colin Higgins. Um, I did not know that he wrote Harold in mod That kind of caught me surprised as well. That was what seventy one I believe it was. Um. What What's I find interesting about that too, is um he was struggling financially when he wrote Harold in mod He actually paid for his lodgings at the Hollywood producer's house by cleaning the swimming pool and sweeping the tennis court. Nice. Can you imagine if that was happening today. Wow, good for him doing what

22:11 it takes. Man, that's right, taking a chance. Yep, that's right. Take a chance. You don't know where you're going to take you. And look what it did. Look what it did for him. So he ended up what directing, Well, he wrote Silver Streak and he directed what nine to five the Bethel Horhouse in Texas. Yeah, I mean he had I mean, I know he died just fairly young. I think he was in his fifties when he passed away. But I mean still those movies that he done, I mean they had a big impact on the film industry. Sure, who doos the Home? For? Sure? Yeah? I wanted to bring up one other person that you didn't mention, Sure, just because I just find it really interesting. Okay, So Rachel Roberts is the one who plays Gerda. She's the evil villainess who is out to kill the Pope and Burgess. Marathon talks her in the piano and then karateps it closed on top of her right, right, right. She committed suicide two years after foul play. Oh really, you guys know this? No, I had no idea. Okay, so let me let me blow your mind for a second. Okay. So she held she had all types of personal problems.

23:17 She was an alcoholic, she had been through a super painful divorce and was really struggling mentally. So she committed suicide by swallowing lie. Oh. I talked to a pharmacist friend of mine. I called her today, police, thank you, Elise, police Haines. I called her. I'm like, okay, she took a whole bunch of barbituates and then she swallowed lie. So I said, what what happens? Well, she's like, well, it just scorches the inside of your body, right, it just and she said probably what happened was it burned her esophagus so bad that it swoll shut and then she suffocated. Oh my gosh, it's it's just so horrible and I hate to bring it down, but it's just one of those weird, yeah, you know, interesting deaths. So and that's thanks, dude.

24:06 You know, it's funny because when I went to look at imbed to look at her career. It was like, why did he not have so much work? And then now I know why I didn't know that. Wow, oh wow, that's rest in peace. I mean she she had did an amazing job in this movie. She I mean, obviously, if you're in a karate style wrestling wrestling match for just Meredith, can you know toe to toe? Um? But I think she had a great range in this too. I know that she had to kind of fake it, like, you know, I'm very pious and I'm you know, taking care of the archbishop and you know, kind of doing all these kind of duties and then turns you know, barreness all of a sudden, and you know, it goes totally evil. Um. No, she did. She did a great job. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, she was the mama for of this movie. Yeah, that's true. That's true, very good, exactly, exactly absolutely what. Wow, man, I didn't know that, But thanks for bringing that up, because you know, I definitely want to give my respect to the actors and stuff like that, because to in your life so young like that. I hate to hear that because she was talented too, man, I hate to hear it. Hate to hear it.

25:18 Well, let's no, it's okay, no, no, no, you're good. That's what we're talking about on this podcast. You know, we want to hit all angles that we can. So thank you Jason for bringing that. Um, so let's go look through the lens. Let's talk about somebody behind the scenes production notes and you know those kinds of things. One of the things that I found really interesting about this movie is the use of mirrors. Did you guys catch that? I did not catch that? Yeah, tell me so. One of the things that I found very interesting, And Scott, you and I talked about this with Philip Kaufman when he directed Invasion of the Body Snatchers, how he would use camera angles that he would look through things or he would look you know, have the camera bouncing to the mirror to look at like actors and stuff like that. You get that jucks opposed angle to give your audience that like, um, suspenseful element of looking at those characters. Um. If you noticed, Higgins does the same thing, and it's it's very Hitchcock because Hitchcock did it in Psycho. If you guys didn't realize that, but I think that's why he grabbed onto this and used it for foul play because obviously you know this was an homage to Hitchcock's work. So if you notice at the beginning when the bishop walks in and he meets I guess his housekeeper when she walked they walk off to the right, if you notice the camera goes right to the mirror, almost like a hint that like, you know, we're gonna be seeing his twin coming up, which we don't know about. If you don't know, you know the story obviously. And then when yeah, and then when he goes upstairs and he opens up the door and the mirror's there, and you see the

26:48 reflection of his twin brother in the mirror, basically saying, hey, you know, I am I looking myself or is that you know my brother, which we find out later is his twin brother. But also then we're in Gloria's house when she kills well supposedly kills Scarface. He's laying on the ground and she's on the phone talking to the police, and the cameras on the bathroom mirror and you see the reflection of Scarface on the floor, and you know, the camera slowly moves on it and you see scarface getting up, which you know they used that a lot in horror movies too. You get that, you know, that very suspenseful. But I just loved how he did that with the mirror. I watched it a second time before this podcast, and that's when I caught onto his Holy crap, he's using this mirror quite a bit, and then I realized what he was doing. So yeah, yeah, definitely plays that plays into his Hitchcock tendencies with it. I know that he was really passionate about the story that he wrote and that he wanted to clearly he wanted to make it something that gave a lot of hints to Hitchcock, especially that first scene when Scottie's there and kind of like whispering is warning to Gloria, which if he had been a little less cryptic, we probably could have saved her some trouble, right, We were like, so my partner is Tony tell him to watch out for the Stiltskin guy.

28:14 I'm just gonna say, because a die in ten minutes. But no, it was used a great effect, and you can tell how much time he had put into this and how much he wanted to make a real quality movie. I love the fact that he was always made for Goldie Han originally called Killing Lydia, and you know he got turned down and had a hard time kind of getting it made. But after Silver Streak, I guess he rewrote it and offered it to Fara Fawcett at some point, but couldn't get it done because of legal troubles with Charlie. It's angels even though I saw it, like I said in that second viewing, I caught her the back of her head in the party scene and I was like, oh, there's unmistakable curls back there. Yep. The alternate universe of the of the other cast is blow your socks off amazing, right, yes, yeah, so the alternate movie would be fair Faucet and Harrison Ford with Tim Conway as Stanley.

29:23 Yeah, okay, on right, I want to see that movie. Do you think Conway could pull off what Dudley Moore did? I mean, don't get me wrong. Tim Conway is incredible when it comes to h you know, performing with his body, performing with you know, items and stuff, because we see it, we've seen it in his career. But I don't know if he could have put off what Dudley Moore did to the extent of what Dudley did. You know, I still think he would have done a really good job, Don't get me wrong, right right, I think he would have had it. He would have had a different tone, right, It would have been like a Carol Burnette thing where he kind of like pushes the wrong button in the bed halls on him. He's like, oh God, what is that doing? Oh noble dolls? Right, he would have been apologetic. I think Dudley Moore absolutely crushes this role. Now, Tim Conway would have been funny. I have no doubt. We're saying with you, David. But when he is when Dudley Moore is in his underwear and he keeps trying to pull up his pants and grab the blow up doll and shut the shut the sex toys in the cabinet and the music, and I died laughing. And I've seen it thirty five times. Yeah, I had tears, Jason, when I was watching the first time. I was crying.

30:36 I was laughing so hard at this scene when he lowered the bed and you had that music, Yes, you got that that proto Austin Powers moment when he's got like every light and mechanical thing known to man. And then when he's fumbling with the doll and it seems like it has just a twinge of helium in it because they're chasing it around like a balloon that's like flying around the apartment. I'm like, I think you're used the wrong materials there. But did you hear what he said? Did you hear what he said for that? Because that was from my knees like, you're not you're not nou Yeah, So Harrison Ford was apparently Higgins Carpenter that yeah, which is why he wouldn't. I can't. I'd love to see it, but I'd be very interested to see, like, how does that change the trajectory of his career? Mhmm. You know, because he turned down this movie for Star Wars, right, so clearly made a choice there now that this would have been a bad one. But it'd be very interesting to see him take that charismatic kind of role, that kind of comedy role like Frisco kid.

31:47 Right. I think he does an amazing job in that Working Girl, so clearly he's got comedic chops um. But yeah, I think it'd be very interesting. I think I think we got the right call with Goldie over Farah because I feel like I would have been too focused on just seeing Farah being Farah nothing. She couldn't, you know, act beyond range. But I feel like she had so much star power at that point it would be harder to see her as anything else. Do you think it's true? Yeah, totally so. I think that's a different movie. Now, that's a movie I would want to see. But I will take the Goldie Han, Chevy Chase, Harrison Ford, Star Wars I'll take I'll take Star Wars with Harrison Ford. I'll take this with Chevy Chase any day of the week. But still the part of me that would like to watch, you know, Tim Conway give it a try and Harrison Ford try to do a comedy that would be cool. But I think we got the right combination. We did.

32:54 Absolutely. I think if there's any part of me that wants to have any kind of crossover with a multiverse at all, I'd just like to find that video store, like the alternate universe video store, where you can just check out some of these movies that they made in an alternate reality and just be like, I wonder what that's like. And then I see the Tim Conway version of like, nopepe take it back, take it back. Here it is, I'm shut down right next to the air stills back to the future. Yeah right, oh yeah, yeah, that's that's the multiverse. I wouldn't mind exploring, you know, just to see what would have been some of those You're right, no, I don't want anything to do with that yuck, but others to be like, oh, that's a really cool take. So yeah, i'd be interested to see Steve Martin. Yeah, I know that he was up, he was a contender for this. I'd like to see what he would do with that, like the era of like the Jerk and all that, the kind of stuff, and let's see where you would go. Yeah, because he would do The Jerk a year later, right after this, so you know, that would have been right in that prime time for Steve Martin. Yea, And yeah, I think he would have could have pulled that off too. So you're right, Jason, that's a really unique a lot of what it if for this movie that would have been okay, you know for us to see. Typically you see a lot of that stuff you just cringe at it, but this one you're like, wow, Okay, I would have been all right with this movie if they had done it as well. But still they made the right choice. There's no doubt, no doubt. I told Jeff, you know, because chevy Chase, this is his first role. Right out of the gate, he has some comedic moments, like clumsy moments that really work. I think the

34:29 fumbling with the glasses at the very beginning, I thought, yeah, he nails that. That's classic chevy Chase. Saturday Night Live. Ye, he does kind of a bumbling fall into the to the bay when he's taken her to his house. That one is just a little bit over the top. Yeah, But but he does have some kind of serious scenes as the cop. You know, yeah, you know, you follow me, you go that way, Gloria, you stick with me, And he's kind of the guy in charge. And I really enjoyed seeing him as that sort of strong leading man. And I think we do get that later on with Fletch, But I don't think we got enough strong, dramatic, charismatic chevy Chase.

35:09 As much as we could have, we didn't. And it's funny that you touch on that, Jason, because I've mentioned this in a few podcasts in the past comedic actors make the best dramatic actors because it takes a lot to be a comedian. It takes a lot to come up with stuff off the top of your head really fast, to make people laugh and to make it work. When you do that and you have that talent, it is easier for you to move into that dramatic role because you've already done the most complicated things. And I think you're right. I would have loved to see Chevy Chase and more of a dramatic role when it comes out. I mean, look at Robin Williams. Look how talented that guy was when it comes to comedy, and yet he moved over to the drama roles. So well, yeah, yeah, and I think Chevy could have done that. You know, one of the scenes that stands out to me, it was like, wow, that's a really different look at Chevy Chases when he was on the beach and they found the body of Scarface and you know, he's out there with the police and he's talking to that police officer about the body and stuff what was going on, and like the wind is whipping his hair around.

36:15 But at that moment, it felt like this was like a serious police movie which which Chevy Chase it. I would have loved to have seen that, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah. I think he says there's got to be some clue we're overlooking, you know. It's very yeah, you know, dramatic moment. Yeah. And I love the fact that it was written into the script to give him that opportunity, you know what I mean. It's not playing to you know, seeing Chevy Chase, how you're used to seeing Chevy Chase, or how you're used to seeing Goldie Hawn, or how you're used to seeing even you know, Burgess Meredith given them all opportunities to reach beyond into something else, but still in pull off a comedy, which, like you said, is not easy. Before you go too much for let's take a quick break and we'll be back for more with Jason Colvin.

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39:15 So let's talk a little bit about the music. So let's let's score a little bit of this. Um. I know it was composed by Charles Fox, who has done a lot of work, and I didn't realize that he had done like the Wonder Woman TV series theme, Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley, the Love Boat. He's done a lot of stuff when it comes to TV themes, a lot of famous TV themes that we all know. I really like the good, mysterious score that he gives us. It gives us that really good Hitchcock vibe at times, and I really respect that. I watched a documentary where they interviewed him about this movie and he said that, like, one of the most difficult things that he had to deal with in this movie was the ending scene when you're flipping back and forth from the opera and you're flipping to the word Chevy Chase and Goldie Honor in the car and they're racing to get there to try to stop this assassination. He said it was so difficult for that music to go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, that he struggled with that at times.

40:14 But hey, he pulled it off, man, because I thought that was incredible on how they flipped back and forth with the music there. Yeah, Yeah, he nails it. By the way. He also wrote Killing Me Softly by ROBERTA. Flag, so oh he did really yeah. Wow. We on the Shirley Podcasts are going through top five movie or excuse me, top five TV themes, and we've done nineteen seventy five to nineteen seventy nine. We're getting ready to drop nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty four, and then we'll do e eighty five to eighty nine. And these guys come up a bunch because you got happy days, you got Laverna Shirley, you got a wonder woman, you know. So we've talked to we've gone a little bit in depth with these guys, which I actually, you know, dropped a little note on this podcast because of the Barry Manos song. So right, let's talk about that. Go for it. Jason talked about that song.

41:06 So Barry Manilo has the song ready to Take a Chance Again, and it's weaved throughout this movie. He plays of course, it's the you get the studio version when they're at the party, they're playing it on the piano. It's kind of the love theme. It's all throughout it. And I because I love this movie so much, I can't not love this song. Right. Yeah, yeah, it's it's very catchy. I will say it's a it's a it's an earworm, um for sure, because I could not get it out of my head, but in a good way, Like I think it does a great job of setting things up with her drive along the Coast, which is a great way to get us through those opening credits that we used to have to do all the time. Um, and it's it's it's just enough like it. It doesn't have to go to crazy places. Um, it's not overly romantic in um. And it kind of sets this tone for you know, divorcee who's trying to kind of like get back out there, but she's not somebody who tends to do that, who's forced into this kind of situation where she's having to do a lot more than she ever thought she would. Um. Yeah, I mean it's it's it's definitely a song that I'm glad that I found in this movie. And yeah, you're just you're just humming along to it the whole time you see this movie. And what's funny. What's funny too? Is it the second time I saw this movie. I didn't catch it the first time, but watching in the second

42:37 time. You know, you have her friends telling her, hey, you need to take a chance, and it pops up again. Chevy Chase says it too, you need to take that chance, and then you get this song. I'm like, ah, I see what they did here. That's really cool. She's getting that advice from Liddy with the brass knuckles, the screamer she's got like the Charles Bronson purse there. If she didn't take that chance, this would not have happened to her at all. All. That's exactly exactly I was surprised to hear, like speaking of music, So the Mecado, the Opera, the Savoy Opera. I guess that's the backdrop for the Big Climax. UM opened March fourteenth, eighteen eighty five, which is crazy Doc Brown could have seen it, but apparently it's one of the most frequently played musical theater pieces in history. Was originally supposed to be a satire of British politics and institutions with a um with you know, using Japan as a backdrop. Unfortunately, you know, when I when I was first watching the scene, I was like, it seems like you're promoting some negative asion stereotypes. And when you look into the you know, like the phrase uh um you think of like the Grand Puba from Flintstones has origins with this show.

43:59 Um names that they used with that right um, which is you know, not the right way to go. But I was very interested to see that. I thought it was a made up opera. I thought that they just had something that's just like, well, he's got to be watching a show, let's just give him something. But also kind of interesting that the archbishop twin the Tomax that was killed in the beginning is listening to a record of this opera before Zabot takes him out. So did he know about the plot or was it just coincidence? M that's deep man. That yeah, I like that though. I mean that that whole piece that they do for that opera was incredible. It just aided so much to depth to this movie and to the epic conclusion that we get during that. I loved it so much. What a what a lush backdrop. Right, So you awesome him opera. You've got the Pope and we as the audience know he's in the crosshairs of an assassin, and then you have this incredible car chase where they're driving through restaurants and yep, you know, you get the far out guy.

45:19 But I just I think this is just a very satisfying movie and you have that great conclusion. Although I do have one problem with the ending, so oh please please go enlighten us. Well, I don't want to be the downer guy. But there is a cop that gets shot about five seconds before they kill the albino, and the curtains go up and everybody's all hugs and kisses and there, I mean, somebody just got murdered. Like, you know, this poor guy is dangling, you know, and there's like, we don't have time for him, let's kiss Yeah, he's strung up in the HMS Pinafore. And everybody seems to be okay with its descending.

46:00 They're just kind of like, yeah, let's keep going with the show. It's like, you've got two dead bodies that are dangling there close the curtains. Yeah, that is pretty morbid. Yeah I didn't think about that, Jason. Great, the whole ending is now ruined from me. It's okay, think about the laughing think about the laughing python Dave, when the cigarette smoke, when the cigarette pack starts burning and you get that Ernie laugh from esme the python. Yeah yeah it's dumb. Yeah yeah, that was that pulled me out for a moment. I was like, really it did. It did not have a place that was very strange. Okay, sure after all the suffering that Shirley Python. Apparently she was like if you look at the credits as the python is played by Shirley Python, um, which I mean, we just happened to be talking to it. She gets smacked around by Burgess Meredith for God's sakes about like five times, right, and she's the one She's like, guys, I've been pointing to this pack of cigarettes the entire time. I've been trying to tell you. She's like silent Bob, like it's over here. Yet. Oh she deserved better, but she did. Which I want to say this too. My other small problem with this movie is the mcguffin. Is that film role correct, which I mean, what, I don't know what evidence is on this film roll that's so

47:31 important, but I mean it literally has nothing to do with anything. It gets burned up. It is totally meaningless. You know, I understand that, you know Gloria has this, you know she knows about the plot to assassinate the PILM. But really she doesn't know anything, so the film role is totally meaningless, has no no impact on the story whatsoever, and just gets burned up in a fire. Whoops. Yeah, I guess the left us to our imagination as they did. What's on that film? Was it? Did he take pictures of like the twin brother of them doing something illegal? I don't know. We never see that, so you're right that it's almost pointless to this movie. That would have to be the worst league of assassins ever. One's like, all right, we've got this elaborate plot.

48:22 Let's stand together and take pictures of each right, so we know who's doing it. Let's take a picture of where it's happening, who it's going to happen to. That way, if anybody gets lost, we can just flip through like a scrapbook and remember, yep, we need to sneake laugh here. That's right, perfect spot for it. You mentioned the far Out Cowboy in his amazing scene where he's just saying far out the entire time, and Chevy gets kind of mad at him at one point and he's like far out, I know, far out, knock at all whatever happened to that Far Out Cowboy in a theories? Oh man, uh No, I don't have any theories. I've got weather. What do you got. He was later discovered as a country singer with his massive hit single far Out I'll do You one More? Okay. I think he started a highly successful and heavily insured taxi service called far Out Taxis that became part of every crash in every famous car chase in San Francisco. So you've got forty eight hours at men, the Wasp, the rock hung chi uh. He probably drops off missus doubt fire um, and he delivers a family to their fateful arrival in an apartment we see in nineteen eighty six. Is cinematic torture chamber troll Cowboy is in every San Francisco movie. I did come up with one thing with the Far

49:53 Out Cowboy. Yep. So he has that stupid little pickup truck with a little little barn attached to the to the bed. Right. It looked to me very similar to the same vehicle that the terminator and Terminator two takes charge of at the very end when they're running from the t one thousand. He's like, this is this vehicle's time. Yeah, so maybe he got a hold of the far out Cowboys used vehicle at that time and exactly and then throws his head on the ground. He's like, forget it, forget it. Nothing's far out anymore. I'm gonna nothing but trouble. That's right, that's good, that's good. All right, Well, let's let's rewind.

50:36 Um favorite scenes, Jason, Oh yeah, Well, my number one favorite scene is Dudley Moore and the uh you know, the hard underwear and staying alive and chasing around the blow up dolls around the room. It is the funniest scene in the entire movie, without a doubt. Um. But I also love the car chase and the assassination, uh you know, the big ramp up at the end, the opera. All of that is spectacular. There's so much my two So no, that's fair. I mean there's so much goodness movie. I'm with you on the Stanley Tibots and his dance and all of that. That whole sequence literally again had me crying. I was laughing so hard. Um. The fight between mister Hennessy and Gerda. Absolutely love that scene because that's just seeing uh you know, birdus meredithon like I've never seen him before. Um, but in the whole chase sequence to the co Jack Bang Bang Cojack Bang Bang. Loved it so much, Scott, what about you man? Yeah, I mean so the two that stand out to me, um uh the party at the beginning when their eyes meet from you know, across the party. Jason. You mentioned when he uh, when he fumbles the bar. Um, that's one of my favorite Chevy Chase stunts because he makes it seems so effortless, like both times, Um, Like I watched it, I rewatched it and then you know, watched the

52:07 entire move and then came back to another time. Um, and I keep looking for like the catalyst to that or how he starts those things and you can't see it. It's a Blurnum. He does that so well. I think it's it's a favorite of mine more than the prat falls and and everything else that he does. The fumbling is just amazing. It's awesome. It is. Yeah, and he's just it's it's a he's a magician with that kind of stuff. Um. I would say, Um the day, I gotta agree with you about the uh. The Hennessy m Gerda Wrestling match um. They do such a great job with his character to take it from just kind of like, Oh, I'm the you know, I'm the kindly, kind of you know, super the building that's kind of taking care of everybody.

52:58 Oh, but I happened to be, you know, an anthropologist. Oh I happen to have a python. Oh I happened to karate. Now I'm going to throw down in the climax and beat one of the villains. Like I never would have guessed that in a thousand years, But I'm glad that we saw it. The look on his face when he goes into that karate mode and she's like kicking her shoes off. Yeah, lose it every time. Yeah, And I would have to say, you know, as much as I think he's being tortured, I think Billy Barty has a great performance in this, Like he makes you feel so sorry for him when he's laying in that bed and everything is on pulleys and the casts and also the kind of stuff. Like I said before, he has that kind of menacing angle and he's just he's got such an iconic face. You and I talked about it in Lord of the Rings, being able to see that he was the you know um involved in kind of the rotocasting for that and the performances for Sam Wise and bilbo U. But he had an amazing career. He had a he was an activist that started Little People of America on behalf of people with short stature and as of twenty twenty three, it's got like seventy five hundred members, raises awareness and helps with employment, education, disability rights,

54:31 adoption, medical issues for people a short stature. So U the fact that he's had such a big career and done so much with it, and to see him in this role just totally stealing the scene. I just I just loved to see it. Yeah, those are my three standouts. Nice let's not forget the elderly ladies playing scrabble. Yes, oh yeah, that was fantastic. You can't use that. There's a hyphen in the right. And then she spelled mother with a US. That's a nice touch. It's so subtle too. They never ever put it that. You never see it spelled out right right, right, you see. And then you see her plate and it's got uc k right, and then you know, you see then she adds the er you know, and oh gosh, it's hilarious.

55:25 It is perfect camera work. It is just, you know, a scene that you wouldn't expect it because it's out of place, But I mean it's not out of place. It fits perfectly right there. You know, just keeps you laughing and keeps you so engaged with what is going on because of course you have poor Glory outside just trying to get their attention. Oh, they're just paying their game. You know, who cares what's going on out in the world. Great stuff, great stuff. Um So, any quotes that you guys might have found from somebody who worked on this film. I found a couple. Jason, do you have any when when Stanley is asking When she's asking Stanley for binoculars and he's like, oh you're into that too, I'm like, is there a sexual perversion that I don't really understand involving binoculars here? Literally? Yeah? Well, the fact that he takes them with him to the bathhouse, which is like that's totally enclosed. What do you you bird watching in there? Like you've got nothing to do there and they're gonna be all fogged up. I don't know. I think you just I think you just like binoculars. A whole lot. Yeah. I think one of my favorite lines in this movie is was when Gloria's friend was telling her, you're walking light bulb waiting to be screwed. I just lost it.

56:40 And then literally, like a little after that, they transitioned to the light when she gets captured, they transitioned to the light bulb hanging. I don't know if you guys, yes, it was. It was genius. I'm like, oh, that is perfect edited. I loved it. That is great. Yep, absolutely, Scott, what about you anything? Um Well, I did see some interesting quotes about the production of the movie outside of the script. There was a night this was. It was hard to find digging back into the archives, but there's a nineteen seventy eight interview with New York Times that talked about Goldie Hawn where she was talking about this movie being kind of a turning point. So I guess at that point she had stepped away from film for a little bit. I think when she was making this she had just had her first child at the time, so she had said, you know, I'm a woman now, not a sexually little nym fat I used to think I was. I think I used to be a cross between a puritanical angel and an infant. I was young and naive, but I'm different now. In foul Play, there's definitely a woman there.

57:45 I'm different now, but I still possess a sense of hope. I do think doing myself a disservice as a human being if I deny that. I like to do comedies because I feel like I can move people up. I like to light light people up and do kind of things. I have guests not given to everybody, that there's a very serious aspect to me that has never been shown on film. I hope I'll be able to reveal that without confronting rejection from people who want to see me in a certain way. So it's interesting to see she's kind of crossing over from laughing and kind of roles that she had had a lot of success with before, but she can definitely see her going in a different direction. I know that this movie made Private Benjamin possible. I think we're definitely seeing tones of this and things like Overboard and Wildcats and I and Death becomes her for sure. So I love that we're able to see that moment happen here and you can see it on film.

58:40 The way that she's carrying herself in the scenes. It's it's it's great to see her have that kind of transformative moment and to see her have other types of those moments in her career. What about you, Dave, I am Chevy Chase. I was found a little one on him as basically he was talking about his professional regrets on some of the roles that he was offered and he didn't take um. He says, I turned down Forrest Gump, I turned down American Giggilo. There are many films that Ghostbusters that I turned down. The first one I did with foul Play with Goldie Han, but I turned down National Lampman's Animal House. I turned that down. So all those I regret only because they made huge amounts of money and I would be very wealthy. But I don't regret working with Goldie. I don't regret the projects that I did do. I just thought that was kind of neat.

59:30 Yeah, I didn't know he was up with Forrest Gump. I was like, oh, okay, I'm glad you didn't take that, But okay, how about that. I have been a whole different type of film, wouldn't it. Are you guys familiar with seems like old times. I was just about to ask you that I have not seen that. Great, that's a great follow up. It's the same chemistry here, but she added Charles Grodin in kind of a bank robbery aspect. It's fantastic. If you like this one, you'll love that one. Yeah, all right, then I definitely will. Well, I'm a big midnight I'm a big midnight run fan. That's the one, too awesome. Yeah, it's like running scared. If I happen to find it on I've got to not sit and watch it.

1:00:14 I've got to stop whatever I'm doing and pop in the DVD, Blu Ray, whatever it is, and started from the start. I absolutely love that. So now that I know that I've got these two plus Charles Grodin, yeah, I'm gonna give a shot. Absolutely good suggestion. I'm definitely gonna check it out, Jason, since you said that, because I love this one, so I'll definitely check that out for sure. Yea, all right, let's talk about the impact of this film. That's one of the things that we, you know, discussed in the film at forty five is a lot of the all these films have some kind of impact that has done on the film industry later in the years. Clearly, this is I mean, Goldie already had a career going on, um, you know, but this one really launched her. Scott, just as you mentioned, it's gonna give her that private Benjamin and it's gonna send her into the eighties where she's just gonna do so many great movies for us that we're going to see and just launch her career even further. Dudley Moore, this is his wake up call to America. You know, this is our first American film with him.

1:01:08 We didn't know anything about him, and we just saw his Stanley Tibbott was his hysterical and we saw what he was going to be able to bring to movies. And he easily got more roles after this. And of course chevy Chase making his leap from SNL to the big screen for the first time. We're already starting to see those things that we see that chevy Chase brings to the screen. Scott, you've already mentioned it. Jason, you've already mentioned it, and you're you're set up what we're going to see in the eighties and the nineties and going and going on with him. So those are just some of the impacts that we're seeing already with this movie. What about you, guys, Yeah, I mean I would say that if you enjoy Wildcats, Fletch Ten, Arthur, National, Lampoon's Vacation, Three Amigos, you know, any of those movies this you got to go back to where it all started in the match Hit the Flame in nineteen seventy eight with foul Play.

1:02:07 Yeah, yeah, I would agree absolute, And I would even say like First Blood and Tommy Boy because Dannehy gets his start here, right, Wow, Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I mean i'd say that, like, um, in terms of like a subgenre when you've got the U the comedic thriller or you know, um, a semi action movie that's like makes me think of like Beverly Hills Cop. Right. There are a lot of moments in Beverly Hills Cop where Eddie is being dead serious about his friend, about his work as a detective, all this other kind of stuff. At the same time, he's got that balance of you know, all the actual folio moments when he's putting the bananas in the tailpipe and like all the funny stuff. There's a good balance there, to show that range, to see that dramatic, you know, dipping into the dramatic, balancing it with the comedy. I think this is something that showed that that kind of formula can be successful. And you talk about how Higgins wanted to make this, you know, a callback to Hitchcock and reverence to that and respect to that.

1:03:15 So he was very careful, very deliberate in his shots, but knew what kind of movie he was making. You've got somebody falling out of a whim window after being hit with the broom, dropping down a flight of stairs and a barrel, and you have a laughing python and a wrestling burgess Meredith, but you've also got some serious turns. It shows that it works, So I'm glad they did it. It's it's really neat when you look back on these kind of movies after so many years, you know, you see where these people got their start, where ideas of these movies got their start. It's and how it just blew up throughout the eighties and nineties, and how you have all these like different tangents of of you know, and Scott you mentioned it. What if Ford didn't do that? What if Ford had done this one and didn't New Star Wars. You have so many what ifs on stuff like that that you don't realize what kind of impact that would have had on the industry. Or there's people's careers, you know. And it's nice to go back and revisit these like we do with these podcasts because you get to you get to see that. You know, you don't realize that when you first see these movies back then, because you know you're not thinking about that stuff because you don't know what the future holds. But going back and look at these now, you're like, wow, look how that worked itself out. That is just crazy, good stuff, good stuff, all right. So, um, I would like to thank all of our listeners out there and clear clearly you can reach out to us if you have any questions or anything like that. So, Jason, I really appreciate you hanging out with us and talking about Foul Play with us. I'm glad I got

1:04:49 my Jason time. I'm gonna tell Jeff I need more of it. Yeah, I'm so glad you guys had me on. I love hanging out with you guys. I love this movie. I love your podcast. You guys are killing it with your your own thing here. Thank you. I am a big fan. I may be your biggest fan out there. Actually, wow, well wow that means a lot huge. Yeah, you're wow. You're a star of the podcast world. Man. Seriously, I love the chance to talk to you, but I love the chance to talk about about movies and really kind of geek out about movies that maybe don't get a lot of attention or haven't been dusted off in a while. So yeah, that you're exactly the reason why we want to do this, this series. So thanks for being a part of it. So what do you have coming next in the Surely Can't Be Serious Podcast? We are right in the middle of our top ten TV themes I was telling you about. We've got three different breakdowns to that. We got late seventies, early eighties, late eighties, and then we're actually doing one from seventy eight. We're doing every which way but loose by Clint Eastwood, nice versus any which way you can. Oh, and we can't wait for that. And then right after that we're doing war games versus tron So okay, yeah, we actually have a guy who works for the Defense part Department. He's coming on he's talking about the actual, real live war games. It's going to be really cool. So that's fantastic about I love hearing about that TV theme um sub series that you're doing,

1:06:26 because it's it's such a it's such a brilliant thing to not only kind of get into the favorites, and of course it makes you kind of like, you know, share that experience and say like, yeah, that's my favorite too, or listen to somebody to talk about when you haven't heard about what in a while, but uh, what you what you what you guys do there? When you get into the deep cuts, when you get into the stories behind it, it makes it so much richer and it makes you enjoy this stuff so much more. So I can't hear I can't wait to hear the next one to be fantastic. Thank you, Thank you very much. It's really just to keep going with the TV themes. We don't have any cool TV themes anymore. No, it's it's gone. It's gone. Well Stranger Things. Stranger Things has a pretty good one, but it's not the same. It's not the same kind of thing. It's more like an opening yeah. Tone. I mean, when when I think of TV themes.

1:07:14 You know, I'm really looking at like the Golden Girls through his Company, right, you know those kind of things when it comes to sitcom. You don't have that anymore, even Night Cord, I can't tell. I guess maybe Friends Signstone might even in the last really good ones, maybe did the Big Bang Theory have one? I don't remember? Oh yeah, a good one? Yeah, okay, so maybe a Big Bang was the last really good one that I can remember in recent times. Well, I will say I gotta give credit to my man. Steve Burns from Blues Clues recorded Mighty little Man on his own, so his first breakout um recording after leaving Blues Clues. He did songs for Dustamites, and he had this great track on there called Mighty little Man. And when I saw Young Sheldon startup and I heard that song, I was like, oh my god, Steve Hearn's nice. I didn't know. Wow, Yeah, that's that's fantastic. But that's the last one. You're right. It just doesn't happen anymore, No, it doesn't. So that's a good podcast, Jason, good good one.

1:08:14 I look forward to hearing those because I love TV themes and it just doesn't happen anymore. So many good ones back then, so many good ones. And it's a shared experience, right because we're all watching three channels right, yes, yes, absolutely really neat so Jason. If anybody wanted to reach out to you, guys, how how can they contact you? Absolutely? We are the Surely you Can't Be Serious podcast. You can find us on Twitter at Shirley Podcast, on Facebook at Shirley Podcast. You can email us at Shirley podcast at gmail dot com. But we're on podcasts. Where are you listen? We're there. We'd love to have you. Absolutely awesome and for us, what's up next for our Scott we have so we're gearing up for the end of our limited series with Forced ten from Avaronne with the one and only Carl Weathers, Harrison Ford, a baby faced Robert Shaw, Richard Keel, Edward Fox, Barbara Bach and franco'neiro. Uh. That is one that I cannot wait to see again and talk about the same here mans, Barbara Bach, this is true. That should be on the poster like they've got all the names. And then that's right, exactly all right, So if you want to leave a comma discuss what's next or even house touggestions.

1:09:30 You can find us at www. A film by podcast dot com, A film by a podcast at gmail dot com. I filmed by a podcast on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Until our film real start rolling again. Go out, watch something new, watch something different, and who knows what you will discover next. Thanks everyone, all right, Thank you Jason, Thank you Davey, Thanks for having me. Guys. We'll see you all right. Thanks guys,