A Film at 45: Meatballs

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
nineteen seventy nine in a Film buys limited

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series A Film at forty five.
I am David Burns and I'm Scott Hoffman

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with this limited series by a Film
by a podcast where we're dusting off the

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end of a decade that changed cinema
forever with a fresh look at modern classics,

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at hidden gems that we can't stop
watching. In this episode, we're

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taking a trip to summer camp with
a band of misfits led by Bill Murray

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and his big screen debut in a
movie directed by Ivan Reitman and written in

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part by Harold Ramis. We're talking
about meatballs a time, seeing all campers.

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Sure, Mohawks beaten us twelve years
in a row, but it doesn't

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matter. It just doesn't matter that
if we win, even if got you

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telling him up comes down? And
what's his hand at our side of the

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field. Shut attention, senior staff, counselors, counselors and training please rise

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for our national anthem. Are you
ready for the summer? Are you ready

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for the good times? Are you
ready for some love and fun in the

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sun? Well we show are as. It's time to head to summer camp

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at Camp nor Star, where it
just doesn't matter. Even Wrightman's Meatballs,

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it just doesn't better. It just
does it better. Scott, did you

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go to summer camp when you were
a kid? I think once or twice,

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but not very much. It wasn't
like every single summer that I was

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going what about you? I did
not, but I remember in the sixth

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grade it was like our celebration before
we moved on to middle school. They

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sent us to a camp for like
a week. It was a place called

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Woodland Altars, and I've got some
fond memories I had at that camp.

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It is only a week, but
it was. It was a blast.

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So some of the stuff happens in
this movie, I'm like, hey,

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I have similar memories like that.
There you go. Yeah for me,

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I think there was a place called
Camp Joy. Okay, yeah I've heard

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for school. Yeah yeah, absolutely
experience yeah absolutely. Well, before we

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talk more about this and dive into
the comedy classic, Scott describe this film

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to our listeners who might not have
seen it all. Right, So Camp

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north Star isn't the greatest camp around, but it's where these kids will have

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the best summer of their lives.
Guiding these kids through all the typical seventies

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activities. Is a gang of hormonal
counselors in training led by Bill Murray's Tripper

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Harrison, who spend most of their
time trying to hook up with each other.

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On the other side of the lake, so to speak, You've got

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Camp Mohawk, where campers spend one
thousand dollars a week to get pampered and

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manicured experience with half the fun.
The rivalry between camps will pit North Star

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misfits against the Mohawk elite and give
Tripper a chance to help an insecure Rudy

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Gardner find his confidence and find new
friends along the way. It's a wild

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start to the summer camp comedy genre
and a great look back at the beginning

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of comedy giants that would have forever
changed cinema in the next decade and beyond.

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So before your summer begins, see
what camp is like back in the

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day with meat Balls. Very nice. I really enjoyed this film. I've

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seen it several times. It just
has been a long time that I have

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seen it. What about you?
I feel like this is my first time

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seeing it. Really, Yeah,
I think I've seen more clips than anything

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but as I was starting to,
you know, watch it all the way

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through, I was like, yeah, none of this is really familiar.

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And I feel like part of that
is because I think it's a good movie.

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I think it's a quality movie.
But there weren't giant, memorable moments,

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like iconic Bill Murray type moments that
I'm used to seeing from his work

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in this time period. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean there's there's the classic

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scene obviously in this one where it
you know, it just doesn't matter.

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You get to see a little bit
of Bill Murray coming out there taking over

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that scene. But we'll talk a
little bit about that later. What I

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like about this movie is it's a
very universal film. What I mean by

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that is, you know, it's
accessible by so many because you know,

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a lot of people went to summer
Camp and they would have had very similar

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experiences that you see in this film. You know, you know, just

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a little bit that we talked about
that this film is supposed to be about

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the c I ts, you know, the counselors and training. But what

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I love about the story is that
you get your summer camp antics. You're

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goofing around, falling in love,
and your typical mischief, but you know

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there's some heart and soul behind it
too. And of course I'm talking about

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Tripper, which is kind of funny
enough because it's Bill Murray, but you

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know, Tripper is this goofball,
but you know he has a great heart,

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you know, especially when it comes
to helping Rudy, you know,

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fit in taking care of him and
you know, in camp and and he

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basically becomes a surrogate father, you
know, for Rudy to make him believe

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in himself, you know, because
he needed that. I know, Ivan

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Rightman recognized that after editing this film
and had to make some adjustments, which

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we'll talk a little bit about later
when we get through the lens. But

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you know, this film has a
good meeting behind it. You know,

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you have to look through the silliness, but you know it's it's fun.

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It's a fun film. Yeah,
I think that's definitely fair. I mean,

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looking at this, you know,
looking kind of back at what we

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got. It would be interesting to
see it when it originally came out because

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you would have recognized Bill Murray from
Saturday Night Live. And obviously there he

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had a couple of recurring characters,
but for the most part, there's a

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lot of variety there. Right,
this is the first time that we start

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to see the Bill Murray hype of
character that we'll see in Stripes, that

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we'll see in Ghostbusters, right where
it's that kind of reluctant leader, yeah

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for a bunch of people, you
know, that kind of leading a band

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of misfits, kind of encouraging them
to be something more. And this leader

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that feels like he's kind of making
it up as he goes along, right,

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a lot of charisma, and I
think that became the iconic brand of

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Murray comedy. It didn't carry through
in all of his pictures. In fact,

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when I was kind of looking back
to see if that was a theme.

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Obviously it doesn't go there in you
know, places like grandhog Day.

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That's more just like the you know, straight charismatic kind of thing, not

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necessarily the leader. But it's very
interesting to see it kind of have its

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beginnings in something like this, and
I totally agree, like it could have

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been. I think what I was
expecting when I was coming into it was

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this will be a blend of gross
out comedy and pranks with the kids,

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but there's also going to be the
kind of you know, lewd kind of

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stuff like you would see with the
counselors in training. Right, it didn't

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seem like there was a lot of
that though. I was expecting to see

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a lot more, and I was
pleasantly surprised that there wasn't, because that

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allows it to focus so much more
on Tripper and Rudy versus everything else that

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you would see in these kind of
you know, stereotypical summer camp movies,

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especially in this kind of time period. Yeah, put put a pin in

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that. Let's talk. We'll talk
a little bit more about that when we

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talk to the lens of you know, some of the things I was mentioning

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about, right, men recognizing something, How interesting is it that you have

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Camp Mohawk with Was it a two
year waiting list kids gotta be voted in?

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It was about one thousand dollars a
week or something like yeah, yeah,

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yeah, now yeah, And I
mean, you know, just taking

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a moment to acknowledge there are some
things that are not okay about Camp Mohawk.

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It's branding way not okay. But
yeah, I think it was a

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great beat in there where he gets
interviewed, Tripper gets interviewed about what they

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do and that's all Bill Murray and
the Yeah, and the crazy thing is

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he he goes through this tirade and
the guy doing the interview is like wow,

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really like he's not he's not phased
by it at all really, but

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you can tell that it's like,
you know, even though it's kids that

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want to go and kids that are
having a you know, a higher cost

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experience, aren't going to get the
same thing out of it. No,

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They're all going to have this very
cookie cutter experience that's not necessarily going to

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let them grow. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, And it's funny when you

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look through this film that you have
your your different elements of the film too.

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I like the fact that you had
I think it was Fink and Spaz.

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They're really like the Laura and Hardy
or the App and Costello of this

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film in my opinion. Yeah,
because they had a lot of the physical

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comedy that you you would typically see
like we saw an animal House at times

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too, you know with Blushie,
you know, you get a lot of

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that physical comedy between them, and
I thought that was quite interesting. Was

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kind of a nice break from like
some other parts of the story too.

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Yeah, although I got to give
it to Spaz. I think maybe think

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should have had Spaz's name because he
was just like, he was so obsessed

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with you know, girls, girls, girls, like way over the top,

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and Spaz was pretty cool and collected. I remember seeing him and I

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was like, flip the script.
When you show you know, uh,

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Spas in similar camp today, he
would have the run of the place.

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Absolutely. He's a good looking guy. He wears glasses but okay, but

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he's got a lot more going for
him, I think than a lot of

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the other people, especially I don't
know what his name was, but that

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one guy that was trying to be
like, you know, all suave and

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cool and like hey ladies, it
was like, yeah, jump in the

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lake man, just get out.
But yeah, I think I think that

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that was an interesting pairing, and
I think that was a good use of

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those kind of characters because you do
get that kind of cross over, you

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go the some c I ts that
go more into the adolescent kind of humor

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kind of territory. Yep, and
Aspas was played by Jack Blum, who

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apparently is the costume designer's son from
this film. Interesting. Yeah, and

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apparently, because I mean this is
a small budget film, you know they

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were you know what small budget movies
do back in the seventies. You know,

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you're trying to get everybody to do
what they can, pull your friends

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in, who know friends, those
kind of things. And yeah, so

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I mean that's that's who that is. But apparently it was his idea,

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Jack Blum, to tape put the
tape on the glasses. According to Ivan

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Wrightman, so I thought that was
interesting. I love when actors get into

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their roles like that to you know, hey, you know, let's let's

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try this, and directors allow that. I love directors to allow that,

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give their actors some freedom to get
into that character because it's going to make

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them put more into that performance.
Right, they're really going to own it

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because they've got some investment in it, and they say, oh, if

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I can have this bad aspect of
it, then I'm gonna plus it up

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a little bit further. Yeah,
totally agreed. So this was first starring

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role for Bill Murray and it's a
first for Evan Wrightman too. This is

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his first big film. I know
he did like a small budget film in

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like seventy three or seventy two or
something like that, but you know,

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this is some first from people.
Rightman and Murray obviously would have a huge

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history with each other. You know, Ghostbusters, what Stripes, Caddy Shack,

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groundholl Day, the list goes on
and on with those two. Yeah.

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But apparently, and here's the funny
thing, Apparently they were after Bill

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Murray to do this role. And
Bill Murray kept turning it down, kept

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turning it down, kept turning it
down, didn't want anything to do with

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it. So I even Rightman actually
went into production on this film without a

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tripper, still pounding Bill Murray.
And apparently at this time, Bill Murray

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was playing baseball, and so right
in the in the the cat crew were

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sending scripts to the ballparks, keep
sitting him to him so he would look

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at it. And it took like
to the third day of filming for Bill

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Murray to finally just show up on
set and take the roll. But they

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had been three days into filming Scott
with no tripper. I mean, what

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would you do if you didn't cast
him. It's you're gonna have to shut

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down, right, Dave? Does
that mean that this was seventy nine's longest

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pitch meeting? A? Yes,
the keep coming this it is, but

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no I found that very interesting.
And apparently when he showed up it's the

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scene where Spaz has his his shorts
his zipper down. Yeah scene, that's

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the scene Bill Murray showed up to
start filming. Those were actually Bill Murray's

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clothes that he showed up in.
So they just started filming with it.

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Yeah, there you go. Just
let it roll, I know, just

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let it go. And he just
and and iven Rightmon even said in that

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scene he just let Bill Murray go. You're getting to see Bill Murray beat

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Bill Murray and how talented he is
in just going off script. Yeah,

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and he went off script like crazy
in that scene, and for on they

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just let him go, which you
would when you have somebody that talented,

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you know. Yep. And you
can see how that you know, similar

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kind of facets to Bill Murray that
we recognize coming out in other movies.

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Yeah, I'd say that it paid
out pretty well. Again, the character

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of Tripper doesn't seem like he necessarily
needs to be shaped all that much,

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you know, aside from his relationship
with Rudy and his you know, kind

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of leadership with the it doesn't matter
role, there's not a lot for him

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to kind of develop No, there's
Yeah, he's just there to help drive

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the core comedy and keep the story
moving. So yeah, I think they

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made the right choice by just letting
him run free. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Harvey Atkin, who plays Morty Morty, I thought he did a fantastic job

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in this role. Or should we
say, Mickey, that was just a

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very funny U kept caim Mickey,
my name is Morty. But in the

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fact that they kept you know,
tying him up and when he was sleeping

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and they would taking somewhere else in
his bed and he would wake up the

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morning somewhere else, I thought that
was hysterical. Yeah, and it's it's

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the lighthearted kind of stuff you were
saying, right Like, it never seemed

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to be mean spirited. It never
seemed to be something where he's going to

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be angry about it, or that
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danger, even though he was kind
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air while everybody's driving in. And
I think there's a great dynamic between his

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character and Tripper, right because it
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He was never trying to undermine Morty. He was just trying to kind

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of take him down a peg a
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take it so seriously, right,
it's just summer camp. Yeah, but

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I totally agree. Harvey Adkin did
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everything in stride. He did absolutely
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in this was Kate Lynch, who
plays Roxanne. I thought she held her

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own against Bill Murray in every scene
that they were together. Yeah, yeah,

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for sure, And it seemed like
kind of an unlikely pairing, I

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thought, you know, but to
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she's standing up to him. There
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could probably have been lost where he
chases after her a little bit too much,

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but through the whole thing, you
know, she's like, no,

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I'm I'm I'm good. And eventually
they end up together. But she kind

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of creates a good foil to almost
take Tripper down a peg as he's doing

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with Morty. Right. I think
that was a good basis for their relationship

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together. And then it wasn't just
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look at her. Romanticide is kind
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right right, yep, somebody that
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just aren't working. I know,
in watching this again, I forgot how

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much I just every time Chris Christine
de Bell was on screen she plays a

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l just how beautiful she is.
Her eyes, I tell you, they

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just they just pull you in.
I just she's just such a beautiful young

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lady. And it's just every time
she's on screens, you just can't take

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your eyes off of her. But
she did really good, uh, in

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playing as al I mean, she
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but every time she was there,
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obviously Chris Makepeace, who plays Rudy. This was his first film. I

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thought he had phenomenal chemistry with Bill
Murray. Yeah, for for for an

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actor who's so young, I thought
he was able to, you know,

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hold his own with Bill Murray.
And you know, my understanding is they

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you know, they really had a
nice relationship with each other, and Bill

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really took him under his wing,
Chris, and it shows on screen,

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it really does. Yeah, And
I think, correct me if I'm wrong,

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But I think a couple of scenes
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pivotal scenes like the bus station were
filmed after all the initial production, correct,

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And I'm really glad they and the
peanut gambling scene, right, yep.

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I think those were great choices to
add in there, because you're totally

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right, there's a lot of that
kind of mentorship relationship with Rudy, and

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I like how his character was designed
from the beginning, like it's not going

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to be somebody that is always pushed
around, but it's a kid who's having

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a tough time in a tough situation. I think his mom had just passed

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away recently, correct, and his
dad is so wrapped up in his work.

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Now. They were cross over that
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they say, well, his dad
is always busy. There Probably I'll be

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a lot more depth put into that
today, just that he's not he's not

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an outcast, he's not somebody who's
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He's just somebody who feels isolated.
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that he gets from the rest of
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of compound that. And the tripper
recognizes it, recognizes it, and you

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know, reaches out of hand to
be somebody who's like, you know,

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I'm not gonna make a big production
out of it. I'm just going to

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let you know you're a cool kid. Yeah, you've got a lot of

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you know, qualities going for you, and let's spend a little bit of

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time together and you'll recognize that too, right. And then letting him kind

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of have more confidence in himself to
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little bit more naturally. I think
that was a great aspect of it.

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Is. While we're on the topic
of Chris makepeace theory time, sure,

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I wonder if Rudy grows up and
starts using his middle name Keith as he

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starts during the Dangerous Nightlife that we
talked about in nineteen eighty six Vamp with

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Chrag John's Jeff Johnson, tell me
if I'm wrong, that is a good

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connection. I like it. I
like it, Scott. I'm a little

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surprised that they didn't bring their characters
back for the sequels, which I don't

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think we're going to get into because
I don't think there's a lot of quality

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there. But I think the chemistry
that they had this movie could have just

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been a standalone and just let that
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Yeah, so I'm going to go
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to look through the lens, because
I'm going to touch base into what you

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had talked about there about the bus
scene between Rudy and Tripper. So apparently

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Ivan Rerightman had cut like a two
hour film and he liked it. It

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just wasn't working, so he cut
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was really funny, but it was
missing something. So he knew he needed

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to add something else to it.
To you know kind of what I mentioned

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where you It needed some heart and
needed some soul in it, and he

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recognized the chemistry between Chris Makepiece and
Bill Murray. So he decided, not

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only do you have the story of
the CITs, which he already had in

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this sixty eight minutes that he already
edited together, he wanted to add more

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of Rudy and Tripper. So they
actually, as you mentioned, they filmed

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the bus scene and all those internal
cabin scenes that you see between Tripper and

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Rudy, like the gambling with the
peanuts and those kind of things that was

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all done well well well, after
this film was done, cut edited everything,

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they brought Bill Murray back and Chris
Makepiece to do those scenes because Ivan

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Wrightman recognized it was missing something and
that's what it was a scene. I

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can imagine what this film would have
been like without that, and I clearly

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he recognized that, as you know, as smart and intelligent as Rightman is,

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he recognized that right away. And
you know, and I think there's

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a funny story. Rightman mentions that
Chris showed up and he was gone through

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maturity and had a little bit of
a mustache. So Bill Murray actually had

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to take him back and have him
shave it off so that he would look

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young again, look like himself in
the movie. Uh. Clear, clearly

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Bill Murray sharing the first shaving experience
where Chris Piece is pretty funny. Yeah,

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I mean, like think about that. You've got this big brother relationship

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and he's teaching him to shave,
right, Like, that's that's pretty cool.

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That adds like another dimension to what
they had together. Now, guys,

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as part of those extra scenes were
they were the running or the jogging

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scenes In the original cuts, some
of the jogging scenes were but they went

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back and added a few more between
Tripper and Rudy to add more depth to

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that, to the more meaning of
that of what happens obviously at the end

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of this film in the marathon rees. Yeah, And I think that's one

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of the things that makes a difference
about this movie. It doesn't get a

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you know, let's I'll be honest, I don't think this goes down as

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a absolute must watch Bill Murray classic
as I would with some of the others.

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I do think it's absolutely worth watching
to see where a lot of this

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stuff started, not only with Murray's
approach, but with the writing from Harold

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Ramis and the rest of the writing
crew to be fair, and Ivan Raymond's

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direction to make a comedy with heart, because I think that those are the

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things that really stick with us when
there's a little bit more of an identifiable

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element in there where somebody can say, like, yeah, I went through

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something similar like that and it's cool
this kid had that kind of a mentor

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right, yeah. That gives another
layer of it, that identifiability that I

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think is the kind of thing that
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Absolutely. I think without a lot
of the bigger comedy beats and without having

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a bigger kind of ensemble cast on
Bill Murray's level. That's maybe why it

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doesn't get to that kind of level
some of the other movies do. But

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still it's really good writing and really
good directing to take time to make sure

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that that fits in. Yeah,
absolutely, And you mentioned Harold Ramis on

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helping with the writing. He actually
did a lot of the announcements over the

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radio that Tripper does. A lot
of that was Harold Ramis, and that's

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something else that was missing from the
film that Rightman recognized. And it's funny

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enough because they had shot a lot
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this was shot at a camp that
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there, that's real. He shot
a lot of that. And in order

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to put it all together, you
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scene to another scene to blend,
Ramis wrote those scenes for Bill Murray to

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read. And what they also had
to do is they had to go back

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because the opening scene where Bill Murray's
in bed and gets up, that wasn't

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in the film either, So they
had to go back and shoot that too

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to it to add to it,
so they were able to connect all of

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that with the radio announcements that Ramis
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had that kind of timing too,
because that gives that had to give Murray

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a bit more like a different perspective
on the whole thing. It's not we're

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going to work these things in with
heart as you're doing it. It's more

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like, we're going to get a
lot of the core done and then once

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you have a chance to look back
at what you've been through. Yeah,

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now you can take kind of a
deeper approach to the rest of this scene,

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those scenes, which is exactly what
they needed. Oh. Absolutely,

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And it's funny. We talked earlier
about Morty being strapped in his bed and

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you know, being taken to different
places of the camp and stuff like that.

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That first scene where they actually do
that, that was real. There

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was no stump man, there was
no faking it. They actually strapped him

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into that bed, and they said
it was a lot of effort because it's

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a lot more complicated than you think
it is, even though it looks easy

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unscreened, especially when they turned him
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Oh yeah, I'm sure. And
his face was very stoic that whole

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time. I don't know if I
would have been so stoic. If they

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had been like, all right,
now here's the sideways shut, I would

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have been like, oh, I
hope, I hope you're notus work.

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Yeah. That's what I love about
a lot of these older films, Scott,

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is the stuff that they had to
do just you know, Okay,

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today they would have put a stump
man in there, or they would have

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done something different, you know,
they would have cut and not shown the

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whole thing. But back in the
seventies, man, you did it all.

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am. Yeah, having recently come
back from seeing The Fall Guy in the

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theaters, Yeah, you can a
whole new appreciation for what they would go

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through in this era. And you
have so much more appreciation for those kind

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of things, the amount of safety
that you would have to go through,

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yeah, and the trust in the
production crew to get it right and not

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you know, fall out of a
tree, things like that, right right,

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that raft bed that he's on,
to make sure that it's excit enough

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that he's not out there, like, you know, swimming for his life

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exactly. Yeah, there's some other
fun scenes that Ivan Wrightman talked about that

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I would have never have known.
So if you get a chance and you

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watched it on Blu Ray, that's
where I caught it. Definitely listen to

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the commentary from right Men because it
is so funny and he's so knowledgeable about

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it. He does not stop talking
from beginning to end of this commentary.

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He's fantastic. But one of the
scenes in here, do you remember the

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campfire scene where all the cts and
stuff like that were there, you know,

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and Bill Murray does the hook man
story. Yeah, Well, apparently

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this was towards the end of filming
and they told the cast and the crew

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you know, that they were almost
done, so they can, you know,

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they kind of on vacation, they
can have some fun while they're shooting

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these scenes. Well, the scenes
took a little bit longer than they were

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anticipating, and the crew or the
cast were drinking alcohol. So is Bill

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Murray. So the scene where he's
giving the speech with the hook you can

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really tell if you pay attention,
Bill Murray's drunk and he is really drunk.

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Wow. In that scene, did
you could tell he's barely keeping it

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together and apparently right man was getting
so irritated by it and Bill pulled him

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off the side. Look, look, you're being kind of mean to the

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crew. You need to come down
a bed. Yeah, yeah, drink

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Bill Murray clowning around with a hook
hand like. But go back and watch

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that scene again now that you know
that, and watch Bill Murray very closely,

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and you're going to see how drunk
he was. That's interesting. Yeah.

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But then and then the additional part
of that scene too is when Roxanne

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Tripper go off, you know obviously
and have their romantic moment. Right the

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sun was coming up, so they're
running out of time, and then you

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see all the clothes kind of scattered
and you get that like slow Dolly shot,

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Yes, the trail of clothes and
stuff like that, and you get

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the narration over top of that.
That was done at the spur of the

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moment too, because they didn't know
how they were going to handle it,

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so they came up with that and
it works perfect in my opinion, because

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you don't need to see all that
romance stuff just hearing it and with the

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clothes it was perfect. I thought, all right, Scott, before we

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continue on with our meatball as conversation, let's take a little break and we'll

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come back. We will continue,
all right. Welcome back, listeners,

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as we continue our discussion with nineteen
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score it. As we know,
this was composed by the incredible Elmer Bernstein,

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who has a ridiculous amount of credits, Scott, like two hundred and

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fifty eight music credits on IMDb.
This man was so busy, and I

408
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:27.359
mean he'd already done like to Kill
a Mockingbird, the Magnificent seven. We

409
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.960
know he did Animal House the previous
year that you and I covered last season

410
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.319
on a film at forty five,
The Great Escape, The Ten Commandments.

411
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:41.279
So this guy has done a lot
of big tent pole films and it You

412
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.440
know, when they approached him about
this, they were kind of nervous because,

413
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:45.319
I mean, come on, this
guy, this sounds almost like approaching

414
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:49.720
John Williams. You know this little
low budget film. Are you gonna do

415
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.960
a comedy with us? Even though
he'd already worked with Animal House. So

416
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.720
they showed him the film and he
loved it, so he said, yeah,

417
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.519
I'll do it. And I think
his score is just sweet, rich,

418
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.160
fun, energetic and goofy when it
needed to be. Would you agree?

419
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.440
Yeah? Yeah, And I wonder
if that, you know, given

420
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:12.160
that list of credits, you wouldn't
necessarily associate meat Balls like that would be

421
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:18.599
like that's the left turn in that
IMDb list. But now it all seemed

422
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:26.799
like it was appropriate. I think
the one piece of music that became this

423
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:32.079
unfortunate earworm. I don't know if
he was responsible for that title song,

424
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:37.160
but oh good god, that sounded
like people had fun recording it because it's

425
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:41.519
a lot of kids that are basically
yelling and key. Yeah, but man,

426
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.680
it's hard to shake. Yes,
I have to rinse. It's like

427
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.880
power of the Night, Like I
have to rinse. After hearing that song

428
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:52.960
playing, I'm like, oh god, I forgot how how this song kind

429
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.440
of stick in my head? And
sure enough it did it. It's playing

430
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.920
in it right now, So you
know, listeners, be careful if you're

431
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.960
revisiting this. You're gonna need an
audio scrub afterward. Yep. And apparently

432
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:12.519
was it Rick D's who did the
uh the title theme meat Balls When you

433
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:19.279
hear it through it m H it's
so odd when that happens, and it's

434
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.039
just like, oh, okay,
we'll go with it. Yeah. It

435
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:27.000
kind of reminded me of Spaceballs a
little bit, like the Spaceball's theme watcha

436
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.880
All right, well, let's quote
this, Scott. Did you find anything

437
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:36.839
interesting? Yeah, there was an
interesting moment that I found. In a

438
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:44.079
twenty seventeen Vanity Fair article by Eric
Spitzennegel talking with producer and co writer Dan

439
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:53.240
Goldberg about Bill getting an interesting moment
of perspective, so he says, Goldberg

440
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.920
says, the night that movie opened, Bill and I and Matt Craven were

441
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.640
in a limo just driving around and
being stupid. Bill was in character as

442
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.720
Hunter S. Thompson because he was
getting ready to shoot wear the Buffalo Room,

443
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.880
and he had a cigarette and a
cigarette holder and his sort of detached

444
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.279
caustic air to him. We got
in front of a theater in Toronto and

445
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.519
I said, stop the car,
Bill, come with me. I had

446
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.480
seen the movie a billion times,
already been to dozens of screenings and various

447
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.240
cuts, but Bill hadn't seen any
of it. We walked into the theater

448
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:25.759
ten o'clock showing. The theater was
packed there's this feeling when there's three hundred

449
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:29.759
and fifty to four hundred people in
a tight space watching a movie, kind

450
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:35.720
of claustrophobic, but this wonderful shared
experience that's unlike anything else. Bill was

451
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.839
watching the campfire scene that you were
talking about, I think, and he's

452
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.920
watching the audience's reaction, and I
saw this sweet little smile come over his

453
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.359
face. It was a really unguarded
moment. I might be ready into this,

454
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:52.200
but I really felt at that moment
that he got it. He understood

455
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.920
what he'd done and how special this
movie was and what it meant for people.

456
00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:00.000
Wow. I loved hearing about that. I loved hearing about that moment,

457
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:05.200
especially given what we have already talked
about and we'll probably talk about a

458
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:12.440
little bit more. Is his his
kind of leadership role that he has in

459
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.400
this right. He's helping everybody have
a good time. He's helping everybody not

460
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:22.160
take things too seriously. He understands
the moments when it's important to kind of

461
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.519
slow down and help somebody out.
But for the most part, you know

462
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:30.319
it comes out in his speech.
It just doesn't matter, don't take it

463
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.640
so seriously, just have a good
time. And the rest will take care

464
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:37.759
of itself. Now, what about
you? That's really true? Yeah,

465
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:43.079
So it took me a little digging, but I found an Entertainment Weekly article

466
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:46.880
where they had interviewed Ivan Reightman back
in twenty twelve, and here's what he

467
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:51.480
had to say about meat balls.
He said, for me, this was

468
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.559
an antidote to my not being allowed
to direct Animal House. I had worked

469
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:58.720
on it three years, brought Belushi
into it, and ended up producing the

470
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.559
film. But my original intention was
always to direct it. But because I

471
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:07.640
had really only directed this small twelve
thousand dollars improvised comedy called Cannibal Girls,

472
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:10.519
the studio wouldn't let me do it, and so we hired John Mallandis,

473
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:15.239
who did a great job. But
I really wanted to direct, and literally,

474
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.280
as soon as our cut was done
at Animal House, I caught a

475
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:22.800
couple of friends up, Lynn Blom
and Dan goel Berg, who all gone

476
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:29.000
onto at camp at various places,
sometimes together in Ontario, Canada. I

477
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.800
said, let's see if I can
put this summer camp movie together. This

478
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:37.960
was March nineteen seventy eight. Animal
House came out in late July and we

479
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:45.880
started shooting Meatballs the third of August. Wow that fast. Wow, that

480
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:50.920
is fast. Yeah, no kidding, but you can really tell. And

481
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.559
again if you listen to the comments
here, you can really tell how much

482
00:34:53.599 --> 00:35:00.360
he loved meatballs in the story and
everything that was put into it. You

483
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:05.519
really can. I love to hear
creator's passion and you can really hear rightman's

484
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:08.000
passion in that commentary. I know
we lost him what a couple of years

485
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:13.639
ago. He passed away unfortunately,
but it looks like he passed some of

486
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.079
that talent to his son, who
I hope directs more and more and more.

487
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:21.360
And yeah, I thought he did
great job with Ghostbusters after Life,

488
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.039
so I hope he directs a lot
more in the future because it looks like

489
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:30.039
he has what his dad had.
That's for sure. Totally agree. Any

490
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:39.599
what IF's so a couple of interesting
ones. We've talked before about Eddie Deason.

491
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:45.760
We did, and if you check
out his IMDb, he's automatically recognizable

492
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:52.440
if you hear his voice, it's
automatically recognizable. Initially approached to place Spaz.

493
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:58.199
Now, I think Eddie would have
done a terrific job because I think

494
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.920
in all of his roles he was
well into it, right, Yeah,

495
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:08.320
But I think he would have been
so decidedly different. Now he declined because

496
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:14.119
he was already committed to nineteen forty
one. But I think it just would

497
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:17.480
have been a totally kind of different
Spaz that we had. I don't think

498
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.199
he would have had that underlying like, you know, if somebody gives him

499
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.719
a chance and lets him get out
of his shell and stops looking so kind

500
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:29.280
of you know, two dimensionally at
him. Yeah, he's got a lot

501
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:34.679
of potential right completely with that,
And I think if he had that kind

502
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:38.679
of you know, there's the Jerry
Lewis kind of like you know, if

503
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:44.199
that affact had been put into this, I think it would have changed the

504
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.639
character. Agree too much, yep, yep. I think what we got

505
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:51.639
is what we needed and deserve to
have. It would have changed that character

506
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.800
for sure, without question. Scott, I couldn't comp I couldn't agree more,

507
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:58.239
could agree more. Now. The
other what if that I heard about

508
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:06.320
is a fellow Ghostbuster, Dan Ackroyd, was being pursued for this for a

509
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:13.079
while for who will roll for Tripper? For Tripper? Really interesting? That

510
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:16.320
would be an interesting you know,
I think I might be interested in going

511
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:22.679
to that kind of alternate reality video
store that we talked about right the other

512
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.960
world, Suncoast, where I could
pick that up on the shelf and see

513
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:31.199
what it looks like. Because there's
a lot of iconic Bill Murray in this,

514
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.199
and when I think about dan Aykroyd
at the time, it would have

515
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:44.119
been a very different kind of tone. It wouldn't have had the same charisma,

516
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.599
it wouldn't have had the same energy. It would have been great,

517
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.840
because it always is with dan Ackroyd, but it would have been so different,

518
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.920
and I think we would be the
lesser for it because there wasn't that

519
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.800
opportunity for Bill Murray to grow into
the kind of character the actor that he

520
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.360
could be. Would you agree with
that? I would completely agree with that,

521
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.800
Scott, Yes, absolutely so.
Scott. Let's let's rewind a little

522
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:14.559
bit. Let's talk about some likes
and dislikes. Anything for you. There's

523
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.840
there's one c I t that we
haven't talked about yet. Who is an

524
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.400
immediately recognizable face and it was bugging
me for the longest time, the character

525
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:28.119
of hardware. Oh yeah, right, who is that? Scott tell Hus

526
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:34.519
Matt Matt Craven. When you when
you see his face you will automatically.

527
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:44.840
I mean I recognize for a few
good men obviously Crimson Tide. Oh yeah,

528
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:50.280
X Men first Class. Yep.
It is so interesting with that last

529
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.840
credit, which I think is a
phenomenal movie. By the way, X

530
00:38:52.960 --> 00:39:00.119
Men first Class it is. It
is the the the time between those a

531
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:06.119
baby faced Matt Craven, that the
Matt Craven and X Men First Class.

532
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:10.480
He had a great role in this. It was understated, but it wasn't

533
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:16.199
underused. Yeah. I never really
understood why they called him hardware, aside

534
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:21.039
from the one moment when they wake
him up and he's like in his underpants

535
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:25.440
and he's got a Caribbean or around
he's dreaming about being Schneider from one day

536
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:30.079
at a time. But I think
I think he did a great job in

537
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.519
this, and that's true for a
lot of the c I ts, I

538
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:38.800
think, but he is that he's
definitely for me, that recognizable face.

539
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:45.800
It's like, wait a second,
so what about you? Absolutely so I

540
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:51.639
had. The biggest one for me
is the scene where the marathon scene.

541
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.199
What I really liked about that is
how I even Wrightman shot that because if

542
00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:00.159
you watch that scene, there's no
music until a little bit later into the

543
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.480
the race. You hear their breathing, you hear natural sounds that are going

544
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.559
on around them, and I think
that really added to the impact of that

545
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:12.880
scene and what it meant not only
for us as an audience, but for

546
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:16.599
Rudy. You know, you felt
the pressure on his shoulders that he needed

547
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:22.039
to win that race because of what
Tripper had done for him, but for

548
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.599
the fact that he had been you
know, everyone has been you know,

549
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:29.000
on him. He hasn't fit in
with everybody, and he really needed to

550
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.159
show that to everybody because I remember
the soccer game that he had earlier,

551
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:34.599
you know, in the movie,
where you know, he kicked it into

552
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.880
the wrong goal and people were picking
on him and those kind of things.

553
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.320
So, you know, I think
with the way Ivan Wrightman shot that made

554
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:45.519
it so more impactful than what it
could have been. But then you get

555
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.880
hints of Bernstein's us score, you
know, until it revs up until that

556
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.239
finish line, you know, and
he crosses that finish line, and you

557
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:57.199
just you can celebrate with everybody,
and I just I think that was like

558
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:01.559
my favorite scene in the entire movie. Yeah, there's a moment you're reminding

559
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:08.679
me of in that race where you
see the mohawk competitor kind of pause in

560
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:13.000
the race, right with this moment
of like, oh, I'm going to

561
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:17.320
get this kid. Thinking back on
it, I maybe I maybe I kind

562
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:24.559
of want to think of it as
the mohawk competitor kind of recognized what he

563
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:30.599
could do for this kid, and
maybe he intentionally dialed back just a little

564
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:32.239
bit to let him win. I
mean that makes it a little less of

565
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.519
a satisfying victory. But yeah,
that's that's a that's a great scene.

566
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.480
And I love the fact that Tripper
is the one that stands up for him

567
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:45.360
and that he had spent that whole
time kind of training him Miagi style,

568
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:51.480
right, doing all these runs of
chatting and talking and and getting him going

569
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.079
there to give him this kind of
moment because he had to know that it

570
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.719
was coming. Oh yeah, that's
a great one. And even the scene

571
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.159
that the build up scene to that, when you know, you realize her

572
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.000
best racer for her leg and they
were they were asking who who's going to

573
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.239
finish this? Who's going to do
the race? And then that's when you

574
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:09.400
know Tripper basically volunteers Rudy to do
that, and No, I don't want

575
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.320
anything to do with this at all. You know that the whole scene there

576
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.800
too, you know when they camp, you know, Tripper got the camp

577
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:17.559
to believe in him, including Amory
getting him to believe in it, you

578
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.719
know, and sure enough, you
know it paid off. I thought that

579
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:23.639
was like a really great scene.
All of that, The whole sequence I

580
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.719
thought was fantastic and really well done
by rightman. It really was totally agree

581
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:34.639
There is one other scene m hm
that I thought was unexpected and really well

582
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:38.719
done. It's when Candice Boat naps
Crocket Ah, Yeah, to say how

583
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:45.199
much she loves seem Yeah, that
was a very interesting flip. It wasn't,

584
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.800
you know, absolutely crucial to the
story, I guess, and it

585
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:55.079
wasn't as heartfelt as like the race
scene, but such a cool flip of

586
00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.480
the script on that kind of idea
and the fact that she had to yell

587
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.119
her lines the entire dime over the
reving of the boat. I hope they

588
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.480
didn't have to do too many takes
of that, but performance was spot on.

589
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.840
Both of them did a great job
in that. And she's really driving

590
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:15.400
that boat, Scott. That's not
fake, that's that's that's seventies stunts for

591
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:20.719
you baby. Yeah, and the
cameraman was not strapped in the camera was

592
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:25.480
on the front of that boat filming
her driving. That that's faith, yes,

593
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:29.760
it is. That's faith and careful
planning. You have to be like,

594
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.440
here is here are the booies we're
going to put out there that you

595
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.559
steer around. Here's the very specific
course. Please don't dunk me in my

596
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:42.239
very expensive, very heavy camera.
Yeah. Yeah. It kind of takes

597
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.239
us back to what we talked to
you a little bit about Matt Pax.

598
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:46.199
You know, they had similar stuff
where they were on the back of bikes

599
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:51.400
and stuff like that in cars filming
dangerously. You know, I guess it

600
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.159
was the seventies thing. Scott,
Yeah. I mean, you know now

601
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:59.039
that you mentioned that. You know, listeners, if you've been following a

602
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.239
lot of these movies we've been talking
about, hearing about things like this,

603
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:05.719
hearing things about Mad Max, you
owe it to yourself to go out there

604
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:09.559
and look for documentaries that focus on
stunt work, yes, and focus on

605
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:14.920
what people have gone through with this
kind of stuff. It's really an unsung

606
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:20.840
industry, especially from that era,
and when you hear about some of the

607
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.679
things that they had done to make
it work with what they had available.

608
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.000
Yeah, it makes it so much
more enjoyable to watch, and it makes

609
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.119
you hold your breath a little bit
more in some of these scenes because you're

610
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.960
like, oh, they were really
flipping that car. They were really you

611
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know, endangering themselves to make this
thing happen. Yeah. I mean,

612
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:43.239
let's look at John Wick. That's
directed by a stuntman. Yeah, you

613
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.159
know, I mean he shows these
are stumman, this is what they go

614
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.480
through. You're abslutely right. You
know, we need to celebrate them more

615
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.119
and you know, appreciate them because
without them, we wouldn't have what we

616
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on screen, what we have,
So good call on that for sure.

617
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.360
All right, let's talk about the
impact of this film, Scott. As

618
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you said, you know, this
is Meatballs is a comedy that you know,

619
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:06.320
isn't like stand out among much of
other comedies that we know over the

620
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.440
years and stuff like that, but
it does have its place in nineteen seventy

621
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:14.639
nine and it has a huge impact
because again, this is Bill Murray's introduction

622
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.719
into film, this is Ivan Rightman's
introduction into the into film, and we

623
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:22.880
know where these two man's career go. It explodes into Hollywood, and you

624
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:28.880
know, it becomes becomes the the
the the film gods that they become basically.

625
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:31.960
But you know, also it's the
summer camp films. There wasn't very

626
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.559
many, I don't think in the
seventies. You know, you're gonna get

627
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.280
more of those coming up in the
eighties. I'm going to point out one.

628
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:42.880
Don't laugh at me, Scott.
Our producer Jeff Johnson will agree with

629
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.760
me. Ernest goes to Camp.
Come on, that was a fun romp

630
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:51.800
and you know it was. I
will admit I've never seen it. Oh

631
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:54.000
come on, now, come on, listener, tell Scott he's got to

632
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.679
watch that film. Come on,
I've survived troll and Under the Cherry Moon

633
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.880
is on the ground. I'll give
it. I'll give it a chance on

634
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:08.079
your revenundation. Yes, have you
seen Wet Hot American Summer? I don't

635
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.079
think that I have. You need
to check that one out too. Yeah,

636
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.519
that's a really good summer camp film. So listeners, if you've not

637
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:16.719
seen either one of those films,
go check them out. I think you

638
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:20.440
appreciate it. But what about you, Scott, any any impact you see

639
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.840
in these films? This film,
well, you've already mentioned you know,

640
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:29.920
Murray Rightman and Remis and their impact
on you know, cinema ongoing certainly for

641
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:37.239
the next decade. I think we're
really fortunate to have something like this that

642
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:42.280
can help set the tone for a
different kind of summer camp movie because if

643
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.800
you think about, like, you
know, the undercurrent of Friday the thirteenth

644
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:53.639
is that for counselors, it's glands
all day, right yeah, and you

645
00:46:53.679 --> 00:47:00.119
know, the possible default of going
to these movies being you know, very

646
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:07.440
raunchy and you know, but this
lets you it kind of sets the tone

647
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:14.119
for you know, looking back at
what summer camp used to be like and

648
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.599
how it can be that kind of
growth experience, right yeah, and that

649
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:19.960
can have a you know, as
much as you have the gross out and

650
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.800
all the aspects that you kind of
cringe and you you know, relate with

651
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:27.239
the kind of the rough aspects of
summer camp, like the food and the

652
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:30.719
facilities and all this other kind of
stuff, the growth that can come from

653
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:37.719
it. And I think we benefit
from the creators behind this you're recognizing that

654
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.920
and putting this kind of aspect into
it, because I think a lot of

655
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:45.840
the summer camp movies that would follow
saw the opportunity to follow in the foot

656
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:50.880
steps of Meatballs and make it actually
mean something and make it a little bit

657
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:55.079
more accessible to more than one type
of audience. And I think we're better

658
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.440
for it. I agree, and
I'm going to go back. You know,

659
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:00.360
we've talked about this several times.
I know, we talked about Halloween,

660
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:05.800
we talked about Mad Max, and
we talked briefly during this conversation.

661
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.039
But in the seventies, small budget
of films like this, you have to

662
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:13.360
work your butt off as a creator, as a directors, as an actor,

663
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:17.320
as whoever. Because you've got a
little bit amount of money and you

664
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.360
have a lot at stake and you
have to do a bunch of different jobs.

665
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:27.519
You have to put a lot more
thought into what you're doing, and

666
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.519
it really pays off in my opinion, And this is another film that all

667
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:35.679
that work had paid off. Because
one of the things we didn't talk about

668
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:39.000
is I believe this film it was
a little bit more than a small budget.

669
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.679
It was like one point six million
dollars, which is a lot of

670
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.000
money back in the seventies. Sure, but you know, compared to a

671
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.440
lot of other films, it's a
small budget that you know I have discussed

672
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.719
but ended up making like forty three
million dollars. So for a comedy,

673
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:57.239
that is a ridiculous amount of money
that it would make. So that just

674
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.360
shows you the impact right there in
itself in seventy now, yeah, for

675
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.280
sure. All right, where did
you watch this set, Scott? I've

676
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:08.880
saw it on Amazon Prime. Okay, it's always a good vehicle to help

677
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:14.320
watch it with, you know,
the trivia tidbits and whatnot. I'd be

678
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:19.280
very interested to go back and listen
to that documentary or the sorry, the

679
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:23.840
commentary version that you had seen with
id right Man. It's fantastic. Yeah,

680
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:28.320
I mean I would just want to
crank up the volume on the commentary

681
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.159
and just let that play over and
not hear anything from the movie. Yeah,

682
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:35.119
he does a really good job in
it. And I encourage you and

683
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.679
encourage all the listeners go check out
the commentary. I watch it on the

684
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:42.320
Blu ray that I own. It's
well worth it. Believe me, you

685
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.159
will have a good time listening to
right Man because you know, he's a

686
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:47.639
great director, writer, and and
just he's just fun to listen to,

687
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:51.679
that's for sure. Yeah. Well, Scott has always been thank you so

688
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.800
much for joining me talking about these
It's always a blast. Yeah. Likewise,

689
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:59.039
thanks man, You're welcome. As
always want to thank our listeners.

690
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.719
I helpe you are exercised. As
we continue our race through nineteen seventy nine,

691
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.880
we've got some big films coming.
Looking more and more excited. I

692
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.760
believe Alien is coming up for us, Scott. I cannot wait to jump

693
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:14.639
into that one. I really can. Just a little movie to talk about.

694
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:20.079
Yeah, a little movie. Well, listeners, which camp do you

695
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.840
belong to? Which one would you
attend? Would you be one of those

696
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.920
snobs and go to Camp Mohawk or
would you want to have fun and chill

697
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.920
out with those especially with Tripper at
Camp north Star. Let us know if

698
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699
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700
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701
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702
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:49.880
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703
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somebody New, watch somebody Different,
and who knows what you will discover next.

704
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Thanks everyone,