Oct. 31, 2024

A Film at 45: Phantasm

A Film at 45: Phantasm

"Boy!" Our limited series, "A Film at 45" is back to celebrate the 45th anniversary of the films of 1979! We're dusting off the end of a decade that changed cinema forever, with a fresh look at modern classics and hidden gems that we can't stop...

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Season 5A Film At 45
"Boy!"

Our limited series, "A Film at 45" is back to celebrate the 45th anniversary of the films of 1979! We're dusting off the end of a decade that changed cinema forever, with a fresh look at modern classics and hidden gems that we can't stop watching! Having just returned from Scarefest Weekend, where the cast and crew were in attendance, David and Scott discuss the mystery and allure of Don Coscarelli's frightfully fun classic, Phantasm!

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to nineteen seventy nine. In

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a Film Buy Limited series A Film at forty five.

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I'm David Burns.

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And I'm Skyle Hoffmann. As usual, we're dusting off the

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end of a decade that changed cinema forever, the fresh

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look at modern classics and hidden gem so we can't

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stop watching. This week, we're talking about the start of

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a horror franchise with balls, sorry, spears that have that

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have drilled fear into our heads for decades. The one

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and only Fantasm.

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Boy, I've been waiting for you. Good game boy. The

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game is finished now you die. Boy.

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If you're looking for horror that's got balls, it's found you.

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Phantasm the delusion of a disordered mind, a phantom, a spirit,

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a ghost. That's right, we are diving back into another

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classic horror film that gives us floating orbs that are

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out to kill anyone in its path, A tall man

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that will scare anyone, and a story that will keep

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you on the edge of your seat until the very last.

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Of course, as Scott mentioned, we are talking about Don

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Coscarelli's fantasm. There is a special place in my heart

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for this film, always has been, because I am such

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a fan of horror films, especially from this time period.

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Of course, we couldn't have timed it any better than

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we have, because we just recently got back from Scarefest

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in Lexington, Kentucky, where we got to meet a lot

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of this cast in person, and even the director himself.

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We got to see and hear their passion for the

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film and its fans, which I know we are both

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very excited to talk about. But before we do that, Scott,

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please tell our listeners what this is about.

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Death is just the beginning, and it's never over. In

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this tale of two brothers who are relentlessly pursued by

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a sinister group of grave robbing, cloaked figures and their

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mysterious leader of the Tall Man, armed with deadly flying spheres.

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The Tall Man that is turning the dead into his

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own private army and pursuing brothers Jody and Michael as

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his next recruits with help from their friend Reggie, the

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brothers fight back to keep their small town from sinking

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into the depths of hell, one headstone at a time.

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If you like the mind bending side of horror, you'll

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love the granddaddy of them all, phantasm.

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As I said, we recently got back from the sixteenth

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Scare Fest that is held in Lexing and Kentucky, and

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we really got to experience this film through the eyes

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of those in it and its creator. The only thing

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that was missing was a very talented and wonderful Angus

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scrim who sadly passed away back in twenty sixteen. But

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getting to meet them just before we discussed this film,

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we really puts it into a new place for me.

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To me, there is nothing more special than small independent films,

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especially those in the horror genre. I believe this film

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had like a budget, I think like three hundred thousand dollars.

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is the fact that they are truly driven by passion.

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So many people have to wear different hats to get

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the job done, which helps create this family among the

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cast and crewe like no other. And you truly got

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to see that at these conventions, you know, when they're

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interacting with each other and their fans. It seriously makes

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you have such a different level of appreciation of a

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film when you experience this, which is why I highly

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recommend and I'm sure you do too, Scott, anyone who

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loves films and has a passion for them go to

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one of these convention and experience it yourself. Trust me,

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you will not be disappointed.

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Yeah, I mean, it's it's clear when you certainly when

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you go to the panel like we had seen for Phantasm,

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a forty fifth anniversary panel that featured a lot of guests,

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and especially when you get a chance to go up

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to them at the tables, you can see how all

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of that passion and an excitement that went into this

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movie all those years ago is still fresh. And hearing

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the stories directly from those who put it together gives

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you an entirely new perspective. And as we'll talk about

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it later, it also gives back to those who made it. Obviously.

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They you know, when somebody makes a film, not everyone

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is going to be a hit, not everyone is going

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to resonate with everyone in the same way. But they

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brought that perspective on how it really is so meaningful

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to to get that perspective from the fans and to

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hear different ways that it's that it's meaningful for people

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in different places in their lives. So yeah, I absolutely agree.

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This was when we knew we had to attend because

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of the breadth of the cast and the crew that

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was going to be there for this anniversary event. And yeah,

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it was. It was a gargantuan event that I'm sure

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we'll talk about some other time, but a great way

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to kick off this latest viewing.

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It really is. You know, it's sitting there and listening

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to these casts, the cast of Fantastic and the director

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just talking about it, knowing that you and I are

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going to be talking about it just in a few days.

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You know, it just it. We got so much information

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from them that it was just just fantastic research based

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is really what it was. So with that being said,

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let's go into the funeral parlor at Morningside, walk down

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those marble halls of the maus and Willium, and take

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a peek to see what is hidden behind that door.

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So this film opens up with a really creepy music,

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which I thought they used very well throughout this film,

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they didn't overuse it. It leads us into the cemetery

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at Morningside, where we get our first glimpse of the

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lady in Lavender, played by the beautiful and talented Kathy Lester,

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where she is pretty much going to and does kill

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the guy on screen that we see Tommy.

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So, yeah, you hit on a couple of interesting things there.

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Music does a lot to drive the story here, and

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music and sound almost become additional characters for me, those

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kind of other worldly growls and the snarls and all

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this other kind of stuff. You get hands of those

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in the beginning. But it really is such a simple setup.

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I saw a note from Don Coscarelli talking about how

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any good horror film has to start off in a graveyard,

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which is a great perspective to have on that, but

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that idea of it kind of turning this trope on

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its head, Like you always expect the girl to die

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in the early part of it, and it turns a

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lot of things on its head because not only is

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she the one that kills him, but she's a vessel

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for the tall man.

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Yep.

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And what an odd way to introduce Angus in that role.

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I know, right, what just happened here because you got

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a glimpse of you know, uh what exactly like. But

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you know, as all good horror films need a creepy

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or fascinating location, you know, Jason has Camp Crystal Lake,

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Michael Myers has hadden Field, Freddy has Your Nightmares, and

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well the Tall Man here in Phantasm has the Morningside

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Funeral Home, which Scott is a pretty damn creepy, scary

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place just by looking at it from the outside. There

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is no way I would want to be creeping around

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that place, especially at night.

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No, not at all. And I mean I don't remember

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seeing any other horror movies that dive into the mausoleum itself,

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which I think is a stroke of genius. It is right,

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because there's a you know a difference between and I

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want to make sure that I'm not, you know, serroying

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an experience for people that are buried in a mausoleum

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or visiting family. But to be fair, you know, there's

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a difference between walking through a graveyard when it's kind

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of open and airy, to being in a building where

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you're surrounded by walls of those who have passed away,

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using that pristine kind of marble interior made it so

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much more imposing, and knowing that there was you know,

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bad things around the corner made it almost feel maze

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like in some scenes, which is brilliant, especially when that

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sphere comes flying around the corner yep at very high speeds.

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Yeah, I mean it just floating through the hallways like

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that just made it even creepier in my opinion, And

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just the sound that you get from it, uh, just

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added to that that fear. So I thought it was

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used quite well in doing that. I know. Right after this,

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you know, it jumps to Tommy's funeral, and this is

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where we get our introduction to the main cast. We

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get Reggie Reggie who's played by Reggie Banister, and Jody

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played by Bill Thornberry, and of course Michael, who is

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watching them with binoculars from the distance, uh, played Michael

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bald One. Yeah, I know, right, they didn't want to

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come to the funeral. I guess because I guess Jody

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and him losing their parents was a year or two

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before I.

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Believe it was, yeah, I think it was two.

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Yeah, And so I guess Jody was just basically protecting

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his brother from that, you know, didn't want him to

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see it. So but yeah, we get our introduction in them,

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and I gotta tell you, the first introduction to the

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tall Man still made me jump out of my skin

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when he slams his hand down on Jody's shoulder. You

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know I'm talking about And you know, sir, hello.

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Pretty polite for your boogeyman, right, yeah, I mean he's

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just like your derves already, sir. Okay, I mean he

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clearly you know, takes his job very seriously. But you know,

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in terms of casting, just to hit a couple of

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notes there, I think it's pitch perfect. Obviously because Reggie

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was written for Reggie Banister based on Register YEP, which

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would probably be a fascinating biography to go through on

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its own right. But the brothers Bill Thornberry and Malcolm

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Baldwin do a great job as Jody and Mike. You

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can see there's a lot of connection there. It was

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a great idea to rate them as brothers who are

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recently orphaned for lack of a better term, and their

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connection throughout that kind of protective nature is really unusual,

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I would say in this era. Usually it's you know,

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a group of kids, and usually there's you know, trying

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to protect some females in the group and things like that.

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This is really about this trio, these brothers and this

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friend an Angus scrim As the tall man, I mean,

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the guy. I would love to have met him in

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public in his heyday because he has that imposing presence.

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There's throughout the movie he's just slowly strolling through hallways,

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you know, or standing there with his arms outstretched. He

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commands every inch of that screen.

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You couldn't know better casting with him. Uh, there's there's

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no doubt about that for sure. But let let's patsack

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a little bit of talk about Reggie Banister. One thing

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I did not know is he is a Vietnam VET.

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You know, when we saw him at the convention, he

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had the Vietnam hat on and he took off as

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you know, he was signing autographs and stuff like that.

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wife is a Vietnam VET too.

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me a much more appreciation of not only Reggie Banister,

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but Reggie in this films too, because I look at

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me a lot differently now because He's a badass, right

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he really?

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Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, Reggie and Gigi were fantastic.

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Hear from in the panel, Gigi has some continuation work

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that she's doing with novelization of Fantasm, so you can

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tell they both have they still have a lot of

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passion for this franchise, which, again, forty five years later,

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that's amazing.

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scripted Part six and is in a book that she

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was selling, if I remember correctly, I didn't get a

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chance to purchase that book. I'm kind of regretting that now,

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but yeah, I mean, I'd really be interested to check

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that out. So listeners definitely hunt that book down. I'm

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willing to bet you could probably find them on Amazon

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or something written by the Gigi Banister and you know,

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so I definitely check that out to see how Part

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six might have been if it had come a film.

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But going on to the brothers a Michael Baldwin and

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Bill Thornbury, I totally believed they were brothers in this

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film because you really had that chemistry between the two

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of them, You had that relationship that you believed, you know,

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even and Jody was very protective, you know of Michael,

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and I like that. But you have a really odd

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situation here because Jody has that incredible car, but Michael

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is driving it, and Michael is only thirteen years old,

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you know, and he was only thirteen when he actually

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made this. But I found that very fascinating because that's

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something you typically wouldn't see because I mean a guy

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like Jody in that day when this was made, kind

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of like you hint it on, it's something I don't

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think a character of that would typically allow their younger

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brother to be the one touching that vehicle, let alone

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driving that vehicle, you know. So it just shows you

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that relationship between the two of them.

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the car the third brother right, right, because just as

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much of an iconic product as franchise as they are. Yes,

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that black Plymouth Hemicouda with the pistol grip. Clearly it's

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been customized in a lot of different ways. Clearly it's

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been taken care of it in a lot of ways.

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And thinking about the fact that they have been on

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their own for the past two years, there's a point

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in the story of it. Reggie asks about like, so,

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what's going on? Are you gonna are you gonna leave him?

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Are you gonna whatever? But it seems like Mike had

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to grow up very quickly. Oh yeah, And clearly he's

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a pretty mature kid. I probably would have pegged him

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for more like sixteen than the the thirteen or fourteen

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that he's supposed to be in the movie. And clearly

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he's been taught to drive. Maybe it's by his parents

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before they passed away, or by Jody, but you can

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tell there's that trust that Jody knows that Mike can

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take care of himself, but they still have a responsibility

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to take care of each other, to look out for

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each other and keep them safe. I thought it was

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interesting to hear from Michael Baldwin that he actually did

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learn to drive on set at fourteen. That's one hell

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of a first ride.

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Yeah it is.

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I mean we saw that car in person. Well, we

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saw a replica another car that is used in the franchise.

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That's the same kind of idea.

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Yeah, wow, Yeah, I mean a lot of us can

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remember kind of remember the first car that we tested

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in or learned to drive in. He's never going to

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forget how he first learned to drive on the set

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of Phantasm and driving the vehicle that he did, so, yeah,

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what an experience that would be for him for sure.

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So one of the things that I do you remember

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from the convention is a story about Angus scrim You

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kind of mentioned that how fascinating would being to run

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into him, like on the street or something like that,

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when you know he was alive. So Don Costarelli was

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talking about a moment of Angus Grim. Apparently he was

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at a market, you know, doing some grocery shopping and

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stuff like that, when a young boy kept looking at him.

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So the boy eventually approached him and said hello. Angus,

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being very friendly as he was, looked at the boy

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and replied hello in his regular voice. The boy apparently

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looked up at him, recognized him, asked him to say it.

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Angus knew right away what he wanted, so he immediately

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went into character, raised his eyebrow, and in the voice

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he said, boy, I just that just shows you how

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fascinating Angus Grim was.

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Yeah, yeah, and how willing he is to share that

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with his fans. Yeah, right, every you know, when we

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get into a favorite scenes, everyone with Angus is a

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favorite because any poster is going to feature Angus with

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the trademark eyebrow and the spheres and without knowing anything

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about it, that's a pretty badass image there, and knowing

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that that's what's pursuing you, that it doesn't stop just

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like everybody else, but it has another level of that

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kind of reality bending, dreamlike situation. I know that there's

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some odd things about like was it all a dream?

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The dream sequence, and also the kind of stuff at

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the end I don't personally believe, So I feel like

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what happened at the end was more of a dream.

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But you know, when I look at a lot of

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other things that followed this without looking at things that

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preceded it, When I look at things that follow like

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hell Raiser, like night Breed, like Nightmare and Elm Street

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that have that different approach to horror, you can absolutely

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see influences from phantasm. Oh yeah, and that's one of

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my most favorite, I guess subgenres of horror because it

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does leave you with more to kind of think about

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and pour into, and it kind of sparks the imagination

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to continue running wild. It also artistically allows you to

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do a lot more with special effects lighting in this

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is a whole other thing. Oh yeah, yeah, it's just

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fascinating to watch a movie like this.

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I mean, this film's really dealing with aliens, right, You're

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dealing with another planet a portal that takes them to

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the other planet that we learn a little bit towards

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the end of the film. So, I mean, the Tommin

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really is an alien, and you know, you get the

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explanation of why those dwarfs jawwall creatures that are running

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around that are really creepy as grap so you get

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the reason why they're so short too, because of the

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gravity that's on the planet that go to. So, I mean,

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it is a horror film, but it's kind of got

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a sci fi element to it if you really think

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about it, right.

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True right there? You know how the spheres kind of

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convert people has a bearing on that as well, because

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the first time I saw it from the box art,

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it just seemed like the spheres would kill you in

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some kind of way. They go a lot further than that.

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They drill into basically the center of your skull and

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apparently pour all of the blood out you see it

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squirting out the end of this thing. And then when

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any of these creatures. When the tall Man gets injured,

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it's almost like a yellowish custard kind of fluid replacing it.

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So it feels like that's almost part of the process, right,

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and reducing someone's size. They're becoming more compact and possibly

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because they're losing all the blood and having it replaced.

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I'm glad that we didn't see the hooded Henchman revealed. Yeah, no,

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thank you in this one, because I couldn't imagine seeing that.

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I imagine that'd be pretty horrific.

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Yeah, no doubt about that. So we talked about the

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coupe vehicle. We already talk about Reggie's ice cream truck.

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Talk about it like that the economy of cars there.

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Yeah, exactly. Yeah. One of the scenes that I found

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so fascinating in this movie, Scott, and it really gives

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you chills, is the scene after Michael had already seen

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the Tall Man, saw what he had done, but it

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was like kind of his main introduction to the tall

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Man when he was walking down the sidewalk in downtown.

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Yeah, and Jody and.

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Reggie's with the ice cream truck just basically with the

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door open and he's working, you know, I guess putting

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ice cream into the truck, and the tall Man walks

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right behind him, just stops, turns kind of glances over

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to Michael, but he's but he's really kind of freaked

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out by it. I guess the the that's coming out

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of the react to that. You get that reaction, yeah,

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from the tall Man, but the mere fact that you

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have this major villain just standing right there next to

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one of our main characters and he doesn't even know

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who that is at that point, I just I love

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that scene so much. Man.

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I love the mystery of it as well. So there's

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kind of a Pennywise element there in my opinion. When

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you look at like a modern day it just kind

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of like, wait a second, he's out here in public,

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doesn't care about the fact that he's being seen, and

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reacts in an odd way to cold. So there's various

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theories about is he reacting positively because of all the

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heat in his you know, other world. Yeah, maybe he's

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drawn to that, or maybe he's completely opposed to that

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because of the same kind of reasons. I think the

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fact that there's inherent mystery in that opens it up

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so that everybody's theory is right, because it doesn't really

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matter how he's reacting. It matters how somebody is personally

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thinking what's happening in there, But each person put their

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imagination into that to give a reason behind it is brilliant.

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It is, and it speaks to the fact that he's like,

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he's a working guy. He still works for the cemetery.

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It's not like he's like hiding behind these doors exactly.

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He's out there picking up, you know, coffins on his own.

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Like that's pretty tough.

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And it's funny that you touched on the it thing

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because there's a scene when Michael goes with is it

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his aunt the two girls at the antique store and

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he's looking into that cabinet and finds the pictures and

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sees the picture of the tall Man back in like

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the eighteen hundreds, and it starts coming to life. When

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I saw that, I'm like, man, this this really has

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the Stephen king It vibe going on here. Of course

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this was before it, So I love that aspect of

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this film because it really it really attached me more

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to the film that other horror films at this time

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could have done, which is just that.

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Yeah, I think it's a demonstration of don cost Rally's

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mastery of the beauty of patience. Yes, because when I

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think of that scene, it doesn't go to anything overt

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It takes its time, and that you're staring at this

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thing and there's little subtle movements and you think to yourself,

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is that actually moving before it zooms in? Before it

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gets into it? And he uses that masterfully throughout the

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entire picture. Yes, a lot of moments where he's like,

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I know where this is going, let's take a beat

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before we go there, Like thinking about when Mike is

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closing is kind of going through the room before the

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tall man kind of you know, breaks through the window.

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He looks in that first one and you're expecting a

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jump scare, You're expecting something to happen. He's fine, he

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moves on to the next one. That patience helps to

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heighten the tensions much more and helps to kind of

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diffuse anybody's defenses to say like, oh, I guess there's

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no jump scare. Cool, and then it happens. Right, it's

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so much more impactful.

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It is it Absolutely, it's brilliant. It's what it is.

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But I'll tell you what, Scott, Let's take a little

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bit of a break we come back, we will continue

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our discussion about Phantasm. All right, listeners, welcome back to

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a film at forty five, where Scott and I are

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continue our discussion about the horror classic Fantasm. So, Scott,

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there is a scene in the film where Jody and

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Reggie are sitting on the porch just playing the guitars,

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singing and having a good old time in this horror film.

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So apparently Bill Thornbury wrote that piece of music and

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they performed it in the film, which first off, is

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really incredible. I love to hear when actors can put

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their own music into a movie like that. So I

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didn't really know that. So when we went out to Bill,

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you know, Booth to get his autography, you know, and

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he was at that time, there was no lying. Thank goodness,

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I got there just in time for that, so we

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were able to have a little bit of time to

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talk to him. He was actually working on music that

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song on a piece of paper when we approached him,

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because people apparently ask about it all the time, so

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he actually sketches it out and I guess gives the

467
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:27.079
fans from time to time when they're talking about it,

468
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:29.720
and he will autograph it. So he was actually doing

469
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:31.920
the music as we walked up to him, and we're

470
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:34.680
talking to him about it. So I thought that was

471
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:36.960
really fascinating in itself right there, that he was actually

472
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.440
working on that piece of music when we walked up

473
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:39.880
to him.

474
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:42.200
That's really cool. Yeah, And I mean, I think it's

475
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:46.559
a brilliant idea to have a character like Reggie a

476
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:52.119
character like Jody. There's a certain kind of, I guess,

477
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:56.400
the dichotomy between the two because when you look at Jody,

478
00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:00.599
he seems like, oh, okay, so that's going to be

479
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:02.759
the hero of the picture, right, It's all going to

480
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:07.640
come down to Jody saving the day. Reggie. You know,

481
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.039
he's driving the Kuda, he's super cool, he's got his

482
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:15.119
leather jacket. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of inspiration

483
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:20.680
for David Hasselhoff to get his Michael Dight look from

484
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.680
Bill Thornberry in this one, especially with the black car.

485
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.519
I'm sure there's some connections there. But Reggie seems like

486
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:32.960
the Danny DeVito to that Arnold Scheorzenegger there. Right to

487
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.880
be fair, and that's not a dig at all. That's

488
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.880
to say that he's you know, he's kind of setting

489
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.079
up the audience for a surprise because he's you know,

490
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:48.119
he doesn't have as much hair as Jody. He's driving

491
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:52.240
an ice cream truck, not a Kuda. But he ends

492
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.279
up having a lot of the heroic moments of this

493
00:27:55.400 --> 00:28:01.200
movie and becomes a continuing hero through the franchise. That's fantastic.

494
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:04.480
So when you see these two characters on a porch

495
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.799
jamming out and it feels like you're you're kind of

496
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:12.519
passing by a moment noticing friends doing this just on

497
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:14.680
their own, Like it looked like Bill and Reggie's were

498
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:18.640
just doing it on set. It's It's a great moment

499
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.240
and I'm glad that we had that in the movie.

500
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.880
It weaves together this kind of trifecta of brothers. You've

501
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:28.480
got biological and brothers in friendship.

502
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:31.319
Yeah, it is definitely a great combination. I like the

503
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:35.359
cast of characters that we got here. I like when

504
00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:37.720
we the lady in Lavador who's trying to do her

505
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.440
work on poor old Jody and it was starting to work.

506
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:45.319
But thank goodness, Michael was this creeper who continues to

507
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:49.839
follow his brother around. Pays off this time because he

508
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.799
basically saves his brother from getting killed just goes run

509
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:59.680
through the semetary as the evil Jawwalls were chasing after him.

510
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.440
Funny enough about that too. I My understanding too is

511
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.640
the Dwarves they were created before Star Wars did the Jawwalls,

512
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:09.160
if I remember correctly, if I remember reading that correctly,

513
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:11.599
So even though I use the term Jawwalls, I'm not

514
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.640
picking on this film at all. You know, they are

515
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.599
really creepy dwarves, Okay, yeah, especially when they're runn thro

516
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:20.839
the woods chasing somebody would just pitch black out. That

517
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.519
scares the crap out of me right well.

518
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:25.359
And I mean, you know, again going back to what

519
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.480
I said before sound design, the fact that they have

520
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:34.319
children in those robes that are always cloaked in darkness,

521
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.200
so it's very hard to see what's going on. When

522
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.440
you mentioned like Star Wars and this, I know that

523
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:43.359
I had seen that they had talked about possibly changing

524
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.119
their robes from brown to black, yeah, so that it

525
00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:48.279
wouldn't have so much of a connection. But I would

526
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.960
say it's not absolutely necessary because they're always kind of

527
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:52.319
shaded just right.

528
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:52.759
Yep.

529
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.759
The aspect that makes them even more creepier for me

530
00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.039
is the sound designed effects. It almost sounded like a

531
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:06.440
dogs snarling in reverse. Be a cat, you know, I

532
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:08.599
don't want to say him owing, but a cat kind

533
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:10.839
of crying in reverse or something like that. There was

534
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.880
always this other weird, worldly aspect to it that just

535
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:19.079
made it so much creepier. It sounded like they were

536
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:23.200
almost like chewing on something as they were pursuing him. Yeah,

537
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:27.440
I'd probably run, you know, past my brother getting it

538
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:31.119
on with some lady if that was happening, to say run,

539
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:33.480
maybe drop the underpants out of your mouth.

540
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.799
And right well, say they're just so creepy. And then

541
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.599
you'll get glimpses of them every now and then and

542
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.920
you hear that that sound that they make like you

543
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:46.200
were describing. It's just, man, they give you goosebumps. Just

544
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:49.440
and even when Michael was in the garage working on

545
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:52.119
the car, you were getting that again. You know, he

546
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.720
was under the car working on it, and those creatures

547
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:57.559
were supposedly in that garage with him, and they were

548
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:00.480
moving around and making those sounds.

549
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:04.519
There's another aspect where it gets into you know, we've

550
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:08.680
talked about a lot of the the villains and the

551
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:13.039
scary army and all this other kind of stuff. It

552
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:17.319
kind of hits another level after Mike is able to

553
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.759
chop off some of the tall man's fingers. Yeah, which

554
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.359
is an interesting kind of progression there because so he

555
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:31.440
captures the one figure that's still wiggling around. I loved

556
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.839
seeing that. Costca really got that idea when he was

557
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:38.279
drinking from a styrofoam cup and his finger happened to

558
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.759
poke through the bottom and he saw that kind of affect.

559
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:45.440
You're like, yeah, that's independent, independent filmmaking, practical effects. I

560
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.359
love those kind of things. But that it continues to

561
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.599
link leak custard all over the inside of the box

562
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.720
where he's keeping it until it eventually mutates into a

563
00:31:55.799 --> 00:32:02.319
giant fly, which you wouldn't think is like it's a

564
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:04.960
fantastic scene because I mean, like, come on, it's a fly,

565
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.799
So how much is it really gonna you know, how

566
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:09.480
much is it really going to threaten you? But the

567
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.920
things like you know, jumping around. All they had to

568
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.400
show was that initial kind of puppetry work, and then

569
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:17.559
they just have it wrapped up in a jacket, so

570
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:20.000
they're just fighting a jacket until the stuff into a

571
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:20.599
garbage dis.

572
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.359
But it works so well, man, Yes, and.

573
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.480
They have to do it twice so that Reggie has

574
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:30.960
a chance to come in and observe this thing firsthand,

575
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.960
so that everybody's bought into. Okay, there's a legitimate threat.

576
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.079
I did notice that. I think that's the first time

577
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:43.079
that Reggie is knocked on his butt. Yeah in that scene. Yeah,

578
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:44.880
interesting quote?

579
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:45.039
Was it?

580
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:47.079
There a story? Yah, go ahead tell it? Scott was so.

581
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.559
On the Scarefest panel, they got into talking about stunts,

582
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:53.519
and we'll talk about that a little bit later. There's

583
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:59.640
there's some great uh stunt performers there. But don Coscrelli

584
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.720
looked down the table at Reggie and said, Reggie, do

585
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.440
you remember what we used to say at the start

586
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.200
of every day? We always said on set, the day

587
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:15.200
doesn't start until Reggie's on the floor. Yeah, he's he

588
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:16.000
takes the brunt of it.

589
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:16.240
Man.

590
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.640
He's in that you know room with all the the

591
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.240
jahwa barrels that are getting sucked into the void. Yeah,

592
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:29.039
he gets stabbed by the you know, the lady of Lavender. Yep,

593
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:31.599
he's not having an easy ride, forget.

594
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:34.119
He takes a bit. Yeah, he takes a beating, that's

595
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.960
for sure. But like I said, Reggie's a badass. So

596
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:39.599
and he proves that in this film. I want to

597
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.720
go back. What did you think? So for me, the

598
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:47.559
first introduction of the ball the sphere, when you get

599
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:49.440
to see it for the very first time, you hear

600
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:53.160
it and then it makes its appearance. I can remember

601
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:54.599
when I first saw it back in the eighties on

602
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:56.440
how creepy that was, because I remember seeing it in

603
00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:58.880
the trailer. They kind of hinted to it in the trailer,

604
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:00.960
and you knew it was coming, so I guess you

605
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:02.839
were kind of anticipating when you were going to get

606
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.559
its first appearance, and there it was. You know, Michael

607
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:08.800
got to see it for the first time, and so

608
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.360
did we when it happened. Dude, I just thought that

609
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.760
whole scene was fascinating. You know, you kind of touched

610
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:17.000
base a little bit on it drilling into the head

611
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.920
of the person. I remember on that panel they kind

612
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:21.639
of talked about too that I guess there was like

613
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.280
a tubing that kind of like ran up them into

614
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.079
the sphere that you couldn't see on camera. Yeah, and

615
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:30.960
it started shooting because it was just basically the tube

616
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:32.679
of bee for the blood, the fake blood, and they

617
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:35.639
would just start shooting out the back of the of

618
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:39.760
the Sphere. I just it still creeped me out when

619
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.119
that sphere made its first appearance. And this is I

620
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:43.639
can't tell you how many times I've seen this movie,

621
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:45.039
but it still creeps me out.

622
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:50.239
Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a mesmerizing weapon, right.

623
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.840
Apparently it was built by Willard Green, who only charged

624
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.079
the production of a little over eleven hundred for creating it.

625
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.840
Unfortunately he died before he could see the work on

626
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:10.960
the big screen. But it's a very simplistic, futuristic kind

627
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:12.679
of a thing. I know that they talked about how

628
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:17.480
you know, reverse photography was used, so they kind of

629
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.400
have it on their forehead and then they pull it away.

630
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.199
I had seen something about using a baseball pitcher to

631
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:26.840
have it hurtling down the hallway. But you know, if

632
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.480
you're seeing one of these things in real life, and

633
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:29.800
I think you had a chance to hold one in

634
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:34.119
your hand, didn't you. Yep, it's it's pretty big. It

635
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:37.880
is it is really and it's a completely mirrored sphere.

636
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.440
So it has that kind of mesprizing effect that every

637
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:43.880
probably everyone who's been around a Christmas tree at a

638
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.360
young age can relate to. That idea of going to

639
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.880
the ornament and just you know, leading back and forth

640
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.639
and just being mesmerized by looking at this thing. It

641
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:56.000
has that kind of captive, captivating nature. And then it

642
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:59.440
turns into a flying Swiss army knife that seems to

643
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:05.519
be unstopped. It's it's a great idea to have that

644
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:10.840
kind of design, turning people into these, you know, other

645
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:11.960
worldly creatures.

646
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:14.840
Yeah, so it's fascinating. You mentioned that we get to

647
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.480
touch the actual sphere when you go up to Don's

648
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.000
booth to get his autographed talk to him, which, by

649
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:24.559
the way, listeners, Don was absolutely incredible. Everybody in this

650
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:25.159
cast was.

651
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:26.039
Yeah.

652
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.440
But I'm telling you, Don would talk your ear off

653
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:32.400
and he you know, you get your autograph and you

654
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:34.599
get a picture taken with him, and the first picture,

655
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:36.360
you know, is you know, the nice picture, you know,

656
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.679
hanging out with him, But you had to make he

657
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:40.760
would make sure you got a second picture with him

658
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:44.639
with the spear coming right at your face, and he

659
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:46.559
would he would control the sphere and make it look

660
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:50.760
like it's coming at you. So, yes, I have a

661
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.000
picture of that, of the sphere coming right up my face,

662
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.800
and I will treasure that for the rest of my life.

663
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:56.559
That's for sure.

664
00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.960
Yeah. I mean, aside from being somebody who's really person

665
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:03.519
and approachable at a con, I thought he had an

666
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:07.840
amazing voice. Yeah. I probably could have listened to him

667
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:09.679
talk all day. Oh, absolutestly.

668
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:10.119
Yeah.

669
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.039
So it makes me want to go and hunt down,

670
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.679
you know, commentary tracks with him there, but also just

671
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.239
hearing experiences that you and Jeff had with meeting him

672
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.519
and him wanting to learn more about the two of

673
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:26.199
you personally, right, each of your experiences with phantasm. That's

674
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:27.440
the kind of experience that you want.

675
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:29.960
It absolutely is the first time I went to his table,

676
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.199
I had a beast Master poster. Anybody who doesn't know

677
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.880
he directed the first The beast Master in the eighties,

678
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:39.159
which is my favorite fantasy film from the eighties. So

679
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:40.760
as soon as I put the poster down for him,

680
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:42.559
he's like, oh the beast Master. He goes let me,

681
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:44.440
let me tell you how difficult he is working with

682
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.440
kids and animals. That was like the first.

683
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:50.840
Yeah, well, especially when you're dying a tiger to become

684
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.039
a panther, Like, yeah, that's probably not a very happy.

685
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:56.639
Cat, right, absolutely, yeah, but he gets some fun things.

686
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.599
Oh yeah, me too, He get some fun things to

687
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.519
talk about that, but I'm hoping I'm a hold over

688
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.480
a future podcast where we're going to discuss the Peace Master.

689
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.360
I'll save that for that. But to go back to

690
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.920
the film, another part of that scene is when you

691
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.000
get that standoff between Michael and the tall Man right

692
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:18.639
after the sphere had killed that guy, so you know,

693
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.760
and then you know, they get closer and closer and

694
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.920
they're just like it's almost like a Western standoff right

695
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.400
there for a little bit, and then Michael turns it

696
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.360
just takes off running and dude, the tall Man can run.

697
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:33.000
He ways going full glass trying to grab Michael as

698
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:36.000
you know, racing through the hallways. Dude, that in itself

699
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:38.119
was just as creepy as the damn evil Joe Walls.

700
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.400
Yeah. I mean he's got a hell of a stride.

701
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.599
Yeah right, no, thank you no, and.

702
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.000
You can tell that he's got a grip that's not

703
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:45.519
going to let go.

704
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.239
Yeah yeah, I have no interest in that. Thank you

705
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.679
for creeping me out again and again and again. But no,

706
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.480
it's a really good scene. I absolutely love that, And

707
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:58.119
of course, you know, I love the fact too that,

708
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:00.800
you know, to go back to the Finger a little bit,

709
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:04.199
I like the fact that, you know, Jody who was

710
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.320
on the steps with the shotgun with the finger in

711
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.760
the box in the morning. I guess he had slept

712
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:14.199
there basically protecting his brother, right because Jody was upstairs asleep.

713
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.800
So Jody gets up, comes walking down steps and sees that,

714
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:18.199
you know, Michael is sitting on the steps with the

715
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.480
shotgun and it sound asleep. But I love the fact

716
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:25.760
here how quick Jody was convinced by Michael. I mean,

717
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:28.039
I grant it would probably convince too if you open

718
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:29.719
up a box and the fingers and they're moving around

719
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.079
and stuff like that shirt. But I love the fact

720
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:34.760
that how quickly he bought into it. And the same

721
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:36.800
thing with Reggie. You know how quickly they bought into

722
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:40.079
it because they they were obviously very close with one another,

723
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:42.639
so they trust each other and they would believe in

724
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.639
each other, right, So you see that with those characters

725
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.719
right there, And I like that because, I mean, obviously

726
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.400
you got to move at a quick pace, especially in

727
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:51.159
horror films. You don't have a lot of time to waste,

728
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.079
so you didn't have to beat around the bushes like,

729
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:54.480
oh my god, I don't believe you're gonna have to

730
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:56.960
show me something and blah blah blah, they didn't do that.

731
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.800
Here you have characters who believe in one another and

732
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:01.599
quickly bought into that. And I like that.

733
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:06.519
Yeah, I think that's that says something about, like you said,

734
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:11.599
the trust between this kind of trifecta. It also feels

735
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:15.519
like it leads to that dreamlike nature of the entire story.

736
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:18.119
When you don't have to spend a lot of time

737
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:21.199
convincing people they are living in the same world in

738
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:24.679
reality so they know what's going on, it definitely helps

739
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:27.679
to speed up the pace he does and makes them

740
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:32.199
more of united front instead of, you know, somebody trying

741
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:36.760
to believe that there's not anything strange going on in

742
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.400
this place. There's a certain amount of personal investment that

743
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.400
the three of them also have in this because from

744
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.679
Reggie's perspective, he just lost a friend with Tommy, so

745
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.280
the idea that soon after losing him something is corrupting

746
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:56.159
what's left of Tommy. Obviously, for Mike and Jody there's

747
00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:01.679
always the concern about their parents. There's a beat in

748
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:09.559
there where both Jody and Michael reluctantly open their father's coffin. Yes,

749
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.639
that was a masterstroke. Of adding a little detail where

750
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:17.880
we didn't need to see bones, we didn't need to

751
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:22.599
see a corpse. We see characters that are terrified of

752
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:26.280
just the weight of that idea, I don't know, rather

753
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.000
to be more scared of seeing if there's something in

754
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:33.360
there or if they're gone. Mike's seeds an empty coffin,

755
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:36.360
which terrifies him because he knows what that probably means.

756
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.880
Jody before then opens the same coffin and chooses not

757
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.360
to even look at it. I couldn't tell if he

758
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:45.960
was like, you know, reluctantly with one eye kind of looking,

759
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.880
but it would be terrifying to see his father's corpse

760
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:55.599
in there. So either way, just the idea of using

761
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.639
that tension to not turn it into a jump scare,

762
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.360
not turn into anything horrifying. But just know, like there's

763
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:05.800
a personal side to this that's not just the creepy monsters.

764
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.079
It's creepy monsters made from people that you love.

765
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:13.239
Right right, let's o say what, Scott, Let's take one

766
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.920
more break. When we come back, we will continue our discussion.

767
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:23.079
All right, listeners, welcome back to a film at forty five. Well,

768
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:27.159
we are still talking about the classic horror film phantasm.

769
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:32.880
So Scott apparently Michael is McGivern because that the exploding

770
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.960
hammer that he creates to get out of his bedroom

771
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.760
was a really fascinating invention, and a quick one at that.

772
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.880
Yeah, and as a as a kid, I probably would

773
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:46.239
have been fascinated at a As a parent, I was

774
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:50.559
absolutely horrified to say, like, maybe just this once, have

775
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.159
this blanking disclaimer that says don't try this at home, kids, Right,

776
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:56.719
So many things gonna in south in that, And I

777
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.480
know that Don has said in the past that he's

778
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.800
very happy to know that there haven't been any reports

779
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.400
of kids kind of emulating that, thank goodness. But I

780
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.400
mean it goes back to this kid knowing how to

781
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:12.239
fend for himself. Now, I think that's used to great effect.

782
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:16.000
But I also remember doors like that in the house

783
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:19.440
that I was growing up in aren't necessarily like still

784
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:23.360
reinforced doors. They're the cheap, hollow things you could probably

785
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:26.320
break through pretty easily, throw your shoulder or piece of

786
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:28.719
furniture into it. So I don't think he had to

787
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.639
mcguy for it. But what a great little beat because

788
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.920
it just reinforces Jody as a kid, a teenager that

789
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:36.880
can take care of himself.

790
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:39.760
Yeah, very very intelligent young man, and he definitely proves

791
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.960
that over and over in this film. Well, let's talk

792
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.320
about the ending of this film, Scott, So you kind

793
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:48.960
of test base on the ending here where we think

794
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.239
the whole thing was a dream. Michael wakes up next

795
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.880
to Reggie and we learn that apparently Jody had been

796
00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:01.679
dead for a while, correct, And so basically Reggie's there

797
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.639
to kind of help Michael get through this, and he

798
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.079
basically tells him, hey, you know, let's once you go upstairs,

799
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:08.719
get your things, let's go on a little road trip,

800
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:11.280
you know, let's get your mind off of things, those

801
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.280
kind of things. And of course then he goes upstairs

802
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.400
and we get the ending that we get where you know,

803
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:18.360
he gets the stuff, he shuts the door, and then

804
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:21.320
there's the tall man in the mirror, you get boy,

805
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:23.880
and then of course he gets grabbed to the mirror

806
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.239
and gets yanked through it. Basically, I guess he's dead, right,

807
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:29.000
So what do you think about that?

808
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:33.880
Theoretically, like he's theoretically transported or dead. And it goes

809
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.679
back to like you know, a nightmare elm Street connection

810
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:44.320
where at the very end, she's you know, at the

811
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.159
end of Elm Street is it's not where she's it's

812
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:48.519
where she drives off in the car.

813
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:50.920
They pull up, they get ready to leave, and then

814
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:52.679
the mother gets you yank.

815
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.320
Through the door, through the window. Okay, I just wanted

816
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.119
to make sure it wasn't like, you know, collecting a

817
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:02.880
bunch of different endings but similar kind idea, right cause

818
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:07.079
the audience to kind of test their perception of what

819
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.559
reality is within this movie. It seems like it has

820
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.320
kind of a Wizard of Oz aspect of it as well,

821
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.760
where if the entire thing was a dream, is there

822
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:21.159
any reality to Oz at all? Is there any reality

823
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:24.400
to what's happening with the Tall Man and it's just

824
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.280
coincidence that they happen to overlap. I kind of feel

825
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:32.719
like I choose to believe that it's that that end

826
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.840
scene next to the fireplace where he talks about having

827
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:39.239
a road trip is the dream. That that's a portion

828
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:44.519
where Michael is having a dream where everything they went

829
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:48.360
through is a lie and that everything's going to be okay.

830
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:50.320
It feels like that would be his body kind of

831
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:52.920
processing it and saying like, Okay, after all that you've

832
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.320
been through, let's slow down for a beat so you

833
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.119
can sleep and let you get into this experience. Right.

834
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.800
Anything that makes it seem like everything up to that

835
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:07.880
was a dream just breaks the kind of movie that

836
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.239
I want this to be. Right, that is part of

837
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.280
reality and we're watching people kind of process it. Yeah,

838
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.440
what about you? What do you think now?

839
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.280
I'm kind of in the camp with you on that one.

840
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:20.480
I feel like the whole, the whole thing being the

841
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:22.760
dream is kind of cheating me a little bit, you know,

842
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.000
So I feel you're right. I feel like the part

843
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.639
he is right there with Reggie is the actual dream

844
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.760
and the rest of it was the real what we saw.

845
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:35.199
That's what I feel anyway, and that's what I want

846
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.679
to believe. But you know what I like about that though?

847
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:41.119
That tells us that it was written really well, because

848
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.840
here we are talking about this forty five years later.

849
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:47.280
Right, right, No, exactly. It's another one of those elements

850
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.320
where it leaves enough mystery for people to pour into it.

851
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:50.880
Yep.

852
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.039
If somebody watches the rest of the sequels and it

853
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:58.719
happens to explain some of that, so be it. But

854
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.920
if somebody doesn't and they stay with this, it's something

855
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:03.960
that they can continue to chew on for a while,

856
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.679
and it adds to the rewatchability of it because it

857
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.840
causes you to kind of test your own theories as

858
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:11.880
you're as you're going through and it obviously leads the

859
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:12.760
discussions like this.

860
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:16.000
Yeah, absolutely, here we are and you know that's that's

861
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.559
kind of things. You know, even the actors were talking

862
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:20.280
about to their fans and stuff like that. You know,

863
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.159
so let's talk about some of our experiences at this panel.

864
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.840
And you know at this convention, we were sitting at

865
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:29.639
that panel listening to the cast talk about their experience

866
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.239
with phantasm, those kind of things. One of the things

867
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:36.239
that was brought up that really gave me the feel

868
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.719
here was and I believe was Bill Thornberry who brought

869
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:45.800
it up where he mentions about the fans that you know,

870
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:48.760
they are there because of this movie you know that

871
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:53.039
they created, but the main reason they're they're there is

872
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:57.639
because of fans like us who appreciate, we love and

873
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.360
we're there to show our love of this film. We

874
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.840
show our love of the actors who were in this.

875
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:07.000
And Bill was even tearing up. You remember that when

876
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.400
he was talking about this, he was actually cheering up

877
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.719
when he was saying on how appreciative he is of

878
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.679
the fans and the experiences that he has had at

879
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:18.440
these conventions over the years, and he says it happens

880
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:20.719
each and every time when people approach him and talk

881
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:24.679
to him about him playing Jody, that you know it

882
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.199
just the love that pours into this film, into its

883
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.679
cast is just unbelievable. And he did the same thing

884
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.320
to Jeff and I when on Sunday after the panel,

885
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:36.760
when I went back to get his autograph on my poster,

886
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:40.360
same thing. You know, I told you he was working

887
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.159
on the music sheet, you know, from the song that

888
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:47.079
he created for this film. But as we were talking

889
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:50.480
to him and conversing about fantasm our love of it

890
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.639
and talking about some of the scenes and the scene

891
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:54.800
in particular where him and Reggie were on the porch

892
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:58.840
playing the music, he was tearing up again talking to us,

893
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:03.280
showing how passionate, how much he loves not only for

894
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.920
being in this film, but being able to discuss and

895
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:11.519
talk to people who also love what he brought to us.

896
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:15.119
I love that man, and when he talked about that

897
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.599
in the panel, that just hit home for me. And

898
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.440
then to actually experience that exactly what he talked about

899
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.559
the next day when I went to meeting. That was

900
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:23.280
just something else.

901
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:27.079
Yeah, And I mean, you know, it speaks to this

902
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.280
kind of experience and what you can get out of

903
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:33.159
it as a fan. I know that experiences very and

904
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:35.199
unfortunately there are sometimes when you come up to a

905
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:39.519
table and for whatever reason, the person is somewhat disengaged

906
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:42.920
or distant and you don't quite get that connection. I'd

907
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.519
say more often than not, it's the opposite of that.

908
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:48.239
It's a very positive, very personal kind of experience that

909
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:52.360
you're allowed to have meeting a lot of people over

910
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:58.079
the years Peter Cullen, especially for me, there are a

911
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:00.880
lot of moments there where you can finally show that

912
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:03.920
appreciation to the people that bring it to life. And

913
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.760
if you're new to a con and you're not quite

914
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:09.800
sure to expect, if there's a panel with the people

915
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:12.440
that you want to meet, consider going to the panel first,

916
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.280
because it does help you get a view of this

917
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:19.639
person as a person, getting their personal perspective on it,

918
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.639
and finding out how much of a connection they want

919
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.880
to make with fans. That'll help you feel so much

920
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.400
less nervous about going up to their table and actually

921
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:32.880
making that connection. It was a great panel moderated by

922
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.400
Joe Lewis, who we've seen a lot of other shows,

923
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:38.360
does a great job consistently, but this is a panel

924
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:42.760
while that included a Michael Baldwin, Bill Thornberry, Don Coscarelli,

925
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:48.519
Gigi Banister and Reggie Banister, Gloria Lynn, Henry, Kathy Lester,

926
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.360
Lynn Eastman, and Sarah Scott Davis. Let me know if

927
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:56.960
I'm forgetting abody there now. When they were asked a

928
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:01.119
great question about when they knew that Phantasm had an

929
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.280
impact and a life beyond just one movie, there are

930
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.639
two stories that stood out to me. The first one

931
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.360
was from Dawn and this is kind of a funny

932
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.960
one who said that he always was always asked after

933
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.760
every movie when they'd make another, And to paraphrase, he

934
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.960
said that once the sequel came out, the previous movie

935
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:24.559
was revered as a classic. So when p two came out,

936
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:27.239
Phantasm two came out, they said it was too dark,

937
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.880
I think, but that first one was a classic. And

938
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:33.239
then when Phantasm three came out, they said it was

939
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:37.320
too campy, but Phantasm two was a classic, and that

940
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.719
that happened all the way through the last movie, which

941
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:43.519
I think is Ravager. Yeah, and clearly people are coming

942
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:47.400
back to these as classics. A lot of people go

943
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.960
into them. They recognize that from the outset, which is

944
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:55.679
easy to see, but it shows the longevity and the

945
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.960
lasting power of these kind of movies. Yes, the other one,

946
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.039
along the lines of what you were saying, we got

947
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:05.880
great perspective from Gloria Lynn Henry from Phantasm III, who

948
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.880
talked about the personal impact she's seen on fans and

949
00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:11.760
had a heartfelt reflection on what it means to her.

950
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.199
To paraphrase, I heard her say something along the lines

951
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.599
of people come up to me and talk about how

952
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:21.199
these movies help them through struggles with bullying or mental

953
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.880
health issues or a rough time in their lives, and

954
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:26.199
something they find in these movies helps them find the

955
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:29.119
strength they need to get through it. When we hear

956
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:32.760
those stories from fans, it doesn't just show us it

957
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.880
had an impact. It gives back to us and tells

958
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:38.480
us we're doing more than just making a movie when

959
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.119
we hear fans. When we hear from fans, it means

960
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:43.800
a lot to us. So again, if you have a

961
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.079
chance to go to one of these have that kind

962
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:49.440
of experience, just know that there's some reciprocity there. There's

963
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.559
something that a lot of these aside from the money

964
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.320
you're putting down for an autograph, it does give you

965
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.079
a moment to connect with them.

966
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:01.039
She really touched on something there when she said that,

967
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:04.800
and it really made me think about my past experiences

968
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:09.519
with horror conventions. You know, she said somewhere when she

969
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:11.960
was talking about that, and I can't quote her exactly,

970
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:14.599
but she mentioned in what you were talking about on

971
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:18.119
how horror films really bring out the best in people,

972
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:21.159
and that's not exactly what she said, but it was

973
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:25.599
something very similar to that. And she's absolutely right, because

974
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:28.159
when I think back of my experience, not all my

975
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:30.880
experiences have been really good at all the conventions, but

976
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.159
when I think about horror conventions, I mean, these people

977
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:37.079
are so friendly. And I'm not talking just the cast

978
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.559
and the actor of the guest. I'm talking fans too.

979
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:42.000
You know, I can't tell you how many times I

980
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:44.400
you know, you see smiles on people's faces as they're

981
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:47.679
walking around the convention. They're meeting people who they never

982
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:50.519
thought they would ever meet. They're getting to shake their hands,

983
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:53.280
they're getting to hear their stories, they're getting their autographs,

984
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:55.920
on pictures and posters and those kind of things. You know,

985
00:53:56.920 --> 00:53:58.960
it was just fascinating when she said that. It's like,

986
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.599
oh my god, I never imagine to even think that

987
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:06.679
a horror film could possibly, you know, be something healing

988
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:10.880
for someone, but it is. He is absolutely correct when

989
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.039
she says that, and I never ever thought about that

990
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:15.159
at all.

991
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.639
Well, yeah, and I mean the additional depth you get

992
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:22.840
from what inspired her in her role. She talked about,

993
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:28.599
you know, taking inspiration from Grace Jones, taking inspiration from

994
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:32.119
Wesley Snipes to shape the character that she had to

995
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:36.440
see that reflected in the fans that show how her

996
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:42.920
inspiration built onto theirs is something you can't buy. I know,

997
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:45.760
there's different opinions on you know, coming up to somebody,

998
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:48.039
you know, meeting a guest and having an emotional story

999
00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:53.599
and emotional response. I think it's completely worthwhile though, because

1000
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:55.840
there are people that might think, like, you know, all

1001
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:59.360
I did was a cartoon character's voice, and it saves

1002
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.599
people a lot. That's what I had said to Peter Cullen,

1003
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:08.800
and it had an emotional response on him, and Gloria

1004
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:12.719
clearly had the same. She was tearing up talking about this,

1005
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.880
but she powered through it, and she said, this is

1006
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:19.320
absolutely worth it. Guys. This is what we get into

1007
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:23.519
the industry for, even though it's something that they never

1008
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:24.320
expected to have.

1009
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:28.239
And not to get on a tangent, but it really

1010
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:30.800
takes you back to when you were a kid again.

1011
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:34.079
You know. It brings up such good memories of things

1012
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:36.559
when you were a kid. So when I went to

1013
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:40.559
talk to John Franklin from Children of the Corn, I

1014
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:42.440
told him, I says, man, I said, you scared the

1015
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:44.440
living crap out of me when I was a little kid,

1016
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:46.880
and he basically just raised his hands up in the air. Well,

1017
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:50.599
then I did my job, didn't I. Stuff like that,

1018
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.760
you know that just it brings you back to that

1019
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:57.480
first experience you had with these films, and you're getting

1020
00:55:57.519 --> 00:55:59.760
to meet people you never imagined you thought you would

1021
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.480
get to meet, you know, I mean, for crying out,

1022
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:04.119
I never would have thought I would be standing right

1023
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:06.800
next to Malachi and getting with Courtney Gaines and just

1024
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:10.199
having conversations with him or anything like that, and getting

1025
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.320
to shake his hand and talk to him converse with him. Yeah,

1026
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:16.199
it's I'm going to keep glowing about conventions and please listen.

1027
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:18.400
If you've never been to one, go experience at least

1028
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.639
one of them. Please do yourself a favor. Now, Again,

1029
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.000
not everybody's going to have the same experiences, you know,

1030
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:27.760
but I mean, for me, this event was just incredible

1031
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:33.320
and this cast of Phantasm was just phenomenal. And I

1032
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:36.519
love this movie before going to this weekend, but I

1033
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:39.800
love it even more now after getting to meet and

1034
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:41.800
greet and talk to these people who were in this

1035
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.639
movie and see if their passion and their love that

1036
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:48.039
has now bled into me. And I appreciate this film

1037
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:49.199
even more because of that.

1038
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:53.440
Yeah, And I mean, an experience like that tells me

1039
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:58.440
that I haven't seen a commentary track on Phantasm, but

1040
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.639
this leads me to believe definitely be worth a watch

1041
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:04.920
with that commentary track, especially if cosk Reley is involved,

1042
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.719
because he's a great storyteller, has a great voice, and

1043
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.239
you get to hear these kind of perspectives, these kind

1044
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:14.719
of behind the scenes things when we're talking about these movies,

1045
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:18.559
you know, forty five years later, obviously we're in the

1046
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:22.119
in the scary season. It's a great time to dust

1047
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.320
it off. And if you've seen it so many times

1048
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.000
that you'd know it by heart, maybe track down the

1049
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:31.039
commentary track and get a little bit of inside perspective

1050
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:32.400
where you get that nostalgia.

1051
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:34.360
At the same time, it will definitely be in my

1052
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.840
rotation every October going forward. I have the typical films

1053
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.760
I always watch in October. This has now been added

1054
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:43.280
to my rotation that it will be watched every year

1055
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:46.880
in October just because of this of what happened.

1056
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:48.000
Yeah, for sure.

1057
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:50.280
So I do want to talk a little bit about

1058
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:54.559
the score. The music was by Fred Moiro and Malcolm Seagrave.

1059
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:58.960
I thought that it was really creepy when it needed

1060
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:03.239
to be. I know, Don didn't want to overuse the music.

1061
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:05.119
He did use it a little bit more than I

1062
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:08.599
think what he was anticipating to do. But I thought

1063
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:11.400
what he when he did use it, it was absolutely

1064
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:16.199
perfect and spot on throughout the film. It was never overused.

1065
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:19.639
It was in the perfect spots at the perfect time

1066
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:21.960
when it needed to be, and I thought that helped

1067
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:25.199
fill out the film beautifully in my opinion.

1068
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:28.159
Yeah, I totally agree, especially the Is it fair to

1069
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:28.800
call it a theme?

1070
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:31.079
I would think so. Yeah, it had a pretty much

1071
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:31.639
a theme to it.

1072
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:35.760
Sure, it's just a few simple notes that again I'll

1073
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:40.119
make an Elm Street connection here because I think there's

1074
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:43.119
a similar kind of beat there, or a similar kind

1075
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.199
of approach. I guess I should say, just a few

1076
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:50.320
simple notes strung together with a very slow presentation that

1077
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:53.440
just adds to every whether it was a sinister scene

1078
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:56.079
or an action film, the scene and I think it

1079
00:58:56.199 --> 00:59:00.559
was done really well. I know there's another interesting kind

1080
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.599
of music connection that I came across.

1081
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:03.760
What is that?

1082
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:10.760
So apparently the song Ace of Spades was released after

1083
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:12.960
this movie was put out, I think a year later,

1084
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:20.199
and somebody had said that, let me compared Mike's head

1085
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:25.480
to looking like the Ace of Spades. Yeah, and uh

1086
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:28.559
spent the rest of the movie writing out lyrics on

1087
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:33.840
a notepad and the pencil apparently that was used was

1088
00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:36.400
given to him earlier that day by David Soul from

1089
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:37.320
Starsky and Hutch.

1090
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:41.039
Oh nice, So that's true.

1091
00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:42.920
That's a great connection to Motorhead.

1092
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:45.920
That is a fantastic connection. If that's true. I hope

1093
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:48.679
that is. That's awesome. I know you already mentioned a

1094
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:52.679
couple of your quotes that you got from the guest

1095
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:55.159
that we saw this weekend. One of the ones I

1096
00:59:55.239 --> 01:00:00.559
found hysterical. So we approached a Michael Baldwin, you know,

1097
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:02.159
to get us autographs and talk to him a little bit,

1098
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:04.679
see how he's doing. So I asked him, I said,

1099
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.559
you know, we're getting ready to do a podcast on phantasm.

1100
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:12.239
What can I tell the listeners? And he put his

1101
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:15.159
pen down, wasn't wna autograph, and looked right in my

1102
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:20.400
eyes and says, please tell them to stop asking why

1103
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:25.519
I'm not in phantasm too. Apparently he gets this all

1104
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:28.920
the time from people. So listeners, let's help him out.

1105
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.840
Let's not ask him anymore why he's not in fantasm too,

1106
01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:36.400
because he's tired of hearing it. Leave them alone, Yeah,

1107
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:39.480
just leave him alone. Just celebrate the movies that he

1108
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:43.000
is in, because you know, we love we love a

1109
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:44.840
Michael Baldon and what he did and what he brought

1110
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:49.280
for us. So let's just celebrate that. Yeah, all right,

1111
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.840
So we don't really need to talk about the rewind

1112
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:57.599
because we both have already like glowed onto this film.

1113
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.320
Just the biggest thing about this is, and get scrim

1114
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:04.360
what a what a perfect villain he was in this movie,

1115
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:06.639
if you would call him that, I just thought he

1116
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:07.360
was fascinating it.

1117
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.280
Yeah, and it's a it's a shame that we lost him. Yeah,

1118
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:15.440
would have loved to have heard some some things directly

1119
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:20.719
from him. But yeah, the fact that he was chosen

1120
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:24.280
for this I think he had worked with Don CUSKRELLI before.

1121
01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:29.000
You can see why he tapped Angus for this movie

1122
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:32.519
about Yeah, that was perfect casting. And I mean I

1123
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:36.519
know that we usually talked about what if. I don't

1124
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.119
know of anybody else that was considered for these roles,

1125
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:42.599
but I can't imagine anybody else being considered for them.

1126
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.239
No way. We got the perfect cast for this film

1127
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:48.440
without question. So the So the impact, Again, we've already

1128
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:51.400
talked to a numerous moments about the impact of what

1129
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:55.039
this has done for horror for its fans. One of

1130
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:57.039
the things that I think that we definitely should point

1131
01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:03.039
out is just hearing boy has become recognizable just as

1132
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:05.119
much as we're going to need a bigger boat line

1133
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:07.599
from Jaws in my opinion, Would you not agree with that?

1134
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:11.719
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean it's a pretty simple line,

1135
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:16.760
but you can tell that basically means like he's coming

1136
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:17.079
to get you.

1137
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:21.079
Yeah, And I mean we got we get four sequels.

1138
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:23.280
We'll get three sequels all together beyond this one, so

1139
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:25.719
we get two three, and four. Well, no, we get five,

1140
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:29.239
we get four sequels. Yeah, so hopefully we'll get another one,

1141
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:33.559
but who knows any any anything's possible in this world.

1142
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.679
So where do you see this at?

1143
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:38.280
I saw it on Amazon Prime? What about you?

1144
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:38.960
Yeah?

1145
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:41.280
I owned the whole collection except for the newest one,

1146
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:45.679
So I did watch this on on DVD because I

1147
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:47.639
feel like having a hard copy of this is worth

1148
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:49.880
having because it is a classic horror film. So cool,

1149
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:52.559
all right? Well, as always, I want to thank our

1150
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:54.519
listeners and hope you are excited as much as we are.

1151
01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:57.920
We are coming to pretty close to ending our nineteen

1152
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:00.599
seventy nine. We've got a few more films that we

1153
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:04.400
have to covered. When did you see this film? Fantastic?

1154
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.199
Did it make a huge impact on you as it

1155
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:08.320
did us here as a film buying let us know.

1156
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:10.719
If you want to reach us, you can find us

1157
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:13.840
at www dot film buy podcast dot com. You can

1158
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:16.400
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1159
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:20.199
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1160
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:22.719
Until our film REI will start well again, go out

1161
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:25.719
watch something new, watch something different, and who knows what

1162
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:32.079
you'll discover next. Thanks everyone,