Dec. 6, 2024

A Film at 45: Star Trek The Motion Picture

A Film at 45: Star Trek The Motion Picture
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Season 5A Film At 45
"Spock, this "child" is about to wipe out every living thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do? Spank it?"

It's December 6th, 2024, and 45 years ago, Star Trek The Motion Picture was released in theaters! Scott and David beam Star Trek experts Wayne Whited and Chuck Bryan aboard for a conversation about the cast, crew, music, and making of the film that brought Kirk and crew to the big screen.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to nineteen seventy nine in

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a film by Limited Series, A Film at forty five.

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I'm David Burns and I'm Scott Hoffmann, and as usual,

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we're dusting off the end of a decade the changed

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cinema forever with a fresh look at modern classics and

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hidden gems that we can't stop watching. This week, we're

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having a sort of crossover as we're joined by crewmates

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from Phasers Set to Stun to talk about Star Trek,

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the motion picture.

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Darflee reports our last ex crew members are ready to

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beam up, but one of them is refusing to step

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into the transporter.

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Balls is a thing out there? Why is any object

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we don't understand?

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Always call the.

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Thing headed this way?

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Science officers spot, I'm reporting as ordered Captain.

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Vessel status fully operation.

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I say, missus Scott, shall we give the Enterprise a

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proper shakedown?

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I would say it's time for that set I, mississili

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I had warm.

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One War one, sir, heading, sir, that a way.

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So welcome to the show.

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Wayne Whited and Chuck Brian, Hello everybody.

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Hey, thanks for having me back again.

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No problem.

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We knew exactly who to bring on to talk about

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this one.

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Yeah, we had this on the radar. This was going

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to be the cross over vent of the year for

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phasers and for a film at forty five, so we

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always had that target ready to go. So it's excited

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to have both of you on here. It really is

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to talk about this film. As we mentioned, we are

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discussing fifth anniversary of Star Trek, the Emotion Picture, the

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film that introduced our og crew to the cinema. We

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finally get to see Captain Kirk, Spock, doctor McCoy, hura,

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check Off An Scotty finally grace the big screen, and

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along with them, they brought the Enterprise in a very

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epic story that we're about to break down here for you.

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But before we do that, Scott tell us what this

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film is all about.

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Sure, Well, like you said, it's been roughly ten years

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since the last new adventure of the USS Enterprise on

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television and the first time that Star Trek is venturing

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onto the big screen. This movie finds Admiral Kirk returning

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to the bridge of the Enterprise after a long hiatus

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as a mysterious spacecraft vaporizes, a small Klingon fleet and

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a starfleet space station on its way to the heart

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of Federation space. Kirk gathers his original crew in Dick's

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commanded the Enterprise once more, leading the mission to save

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the Federation from this massive, yet unknown threat. Will they

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be up to the challenge after being away so long?

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Will this movie breathe life into the franchise? Well, Doctor

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Grizzly disco Bones change how we look in fashion in

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the future. We'll talk about that in today's episode.

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So here's my honest opinion on this film. I'm gonna

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go ahead and get it, get the elephant and out

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of the room here. So, when I first saw this

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as a kid, I was super disappointed in it. You know,

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I wanted plane exploring battles. You know, the stuff I

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saw in the OG series that I caught and reruns.

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You know, this is nothing like that. And seriously, it

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let me down. Luckily, you know, we got Wrath the

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con that came along and kind of set us back

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on track with that. However, with that being said, watching

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this film as an adult and knowing more about it,

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I appreciate this film so much more than I once did.

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So this is just one of those reversals that you

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know as a kid, I'm like, you know, you know whatever,

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It just everything felt off to me and a lot

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of people. I think it did. But the older I got,

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I realized one and I appreciated this film, the story

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everything more Now looking back as a kid, I could

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understand that. But you know what about you guys.

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I totally agree with that, Dave. I think there's also

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a bit of a difference between if you're taking a kid,

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if you're taking a kid to an amusement park or

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a museum. Right, If you're taking them to a museum

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and they're expecting an amusement park, they're going to be like,

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what is all the walking and looking and learning about?

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Right?

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It's all this slow study. And I feel like maybe

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a lot of audiences were expecting that. They weren't expecting

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a longer movie that was a little bit more focused

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on details and science and contemplation and things like that.

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But I'm in the same boat. When I first watched this,

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I ended up actually kind of skipping through a lot

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of the longer space scenes and a lot of the

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you know, hey, look at the ship kind of long

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drawn out shot shots. But when I went into it

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knowing it was a longer movie and knowing the tone

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that it was kind of setting, and I was ready

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for it. It became a different movie before me, Chuck,

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what about you.

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Yeah, I'm gonna say that. In nineteen seventy nine when

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I saw this, I also walked away from it. I

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was very disappointed. Subsequent viewings didn't necessarily help it. But

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somewhere in my college time frame, I started seeing what

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the story of this film really was. And to be honest,

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I kind of you can clue in on several characters

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if you wish, because there's several story arcs that are

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going on in here. For me, I kind of latched

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onto Spock in this film, and once I started following

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his story and his journey, the movie started making a

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lot more sense to me, and I started finding room

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to enjoy it. But I have to kind of similarly

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say what both you know you and Scott have said.

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David.

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It's not Wrath of Khan's. It's it's not The Search

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for Spot, it's not Voyage Home, and but it is

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something different. It is a bottle episode, if you will,

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It's something that's not duplicated. It was the highest grossing

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of the Star Trek films until the two thousand and

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nine film came out, so it was very successful for

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its warts and all. Without it, I don't think we

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would have had Star Trek two.

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So I agree, yeah, completely.

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Wait what about you, Well, to understand how much you

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know I like this film, you have to really understand

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my origin with Star Trek. You know how I came

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to get into it, And because I was not a

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fan of the original series, I didn't follow it as

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a kid. I didn't grow up with it. I was

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a Star Wars, Battlestar Galactic, you know, g I Joe

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type person. But I discovered Star Trek. I saw Star

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Trek two and three and four when they came out

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in theaters. But I really didn't become a Trekky until

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the next generation came out. And then after that point

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is when I started watching the original series, in which

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I started really devouring anything Star Trek. So they would

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have been about nineteen eighty eight or eighty nine when

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I first saw the motion picture on videotape and it

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was that extended, really long version that should never have

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been released. I liked it. I really liked the film.

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I appreciated what they were doing. I did feel it

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was really too long, which of course I learned later

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that was because of that specific edit that they had

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for the videotape. But I love the film. I love

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everything about it I thought. I mean, the visual effects

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are outstanding, the music is outstanding. I love the actors

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and the characters. You know, I didn't have all that

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preconception that stuff, you know, that anticipation that everybody had

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from watching the original series. So you know, to me,

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they were they were just Kirk spocka McCoy as as

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I knew them from the other films. But it's no Master,

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like you said, it's not Star Trek two. But it's

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still very high on my list of favorite films.

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Yeah, I mean it's a good film. I mean even

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the cast even said it didn't feel right to them.

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It didn't feel like their characters at times. You know.

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Then they were struggling with that when they were filming

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this movie. You know they have admitted that. So but

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when you look at this as a whole film, I

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love this movie. Do not get me wrong at all.

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And you know, I like it a lot more than

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I used to. And I believe my understanding is Gene

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ron Berry was going to do a Phase two star Trek,

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and a lot of this evolved from that a lot,

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but which eventually, yeah, which eventually Phase two became the

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Next Generation, which we all know, we absolutely love, you know,

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that's what you know that became. But I mean, I

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believe they didn't know Walliam Shetner was going to ask

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They thought Wallims Shetton was going to ask for too

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much money coming back to a new TV series. So

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that's why they kind of introduced Decker thinking that he

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was going to take over that role with the Phase

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two Star Trek. So the fact that the television series

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really didn't work out and it became the motion picture,

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if you look at that a lot more and it

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makes this film look a little bit different in my opinion.

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Yeah, And people a lot of people don't realize how

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close they came to making Phase two. I mean, they

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came right down to the wire. You know, they were

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doing costumes, the sets were being built, test shots were

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being done, scripts were written, which I remember there used

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to be a book out back in the eighties called

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I think it was called The Lost Stories or something

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like that that went through all the scripts you know

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four Phase two, and they were really fascinating. But the

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pilot episode, which is basically what the motion picture came

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to be, other than a few changes at the end,

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was an incredible story. And you know, yeah, it was

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missing Spock. I don't know if it would have worked

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without him, but it's just it's fascinating, this whole thing

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about Phase two. But they came so close to filming

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and within weeks of filming this, you know, that's how close.

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So you know a lot of the stuff that we

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see in the motion pictures we would have saw on

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the television screen.

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Just a bit of scope obviously.

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Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, and you have William Shatner.

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When they were trying to decide whether or not they

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were going to bring William Shatner back, you know, they thought, well,

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you know, he's I don't think the studio executives really

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liked him very much, and they didn't think he would

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translate very well, uh, to a to a movie, and

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so their thought was that in act one or you know,

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he would be killed off. And so Gene Roddenberry of course,

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fault against that tooth and nail and eventually got him

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to where he was promoted to admiral, and so that

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brought in Decker as the commander, and really William Decker

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and Aliyah Aliyah are the only two remaining characters from

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the original scripts that they were working out both for

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Phase two. I mean Phase two was seriously this is

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like everyone knows what happened in May of nineteen seventy seven.

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That was Star Wars. That changed everything. That suddenly showed

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the studios that science fiction was not only profitable, it

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was very profitable. And then Close Encounters of the Third

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Kind was coming right out right after that later in

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December or the following year of nineteen seventy nine, Alien

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was already in the pipeline. It was being made. So

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science fiction was starting to have its resurgence to where

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it could make really good, good money. And so here's

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Paramount juggling between Okay, we're gonna make a movie and

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you know, well, we have this script that's we're gonna

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get Philip Kaufman to direct this this movie for us. No,

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we don't quite like that anymore. We're gonna make it

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back into a TV show. Maybe it's going to be

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a movie.

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No.

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But then in August of seventy seventy seven, seventy they're

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they're going to start going full steam ahead into making

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this into a movie.

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Yep. That's also interesting.

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Yeah, it's also kind of a you know, you bring

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up obviously, Star Wars changed everything about not only movies

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and merchandising, but but sci fi at the time, right,

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it seemed to have kind of taken over sci fi,

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and I think when there's the promise of bringing back

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one of the granddaddy's of sci fi with Star Trek,

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I feel like maybe there is an expectation that, well,

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we can we can make a lot of money off

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of this with merchandising like we did with Star Wars.

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And they tried.

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They tried, Yeah, and I know that there were there

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were action figures made. But then, you know, thinking back

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to being a little kid, it goes from seeing Star

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Wars and all the stuff that goes with that, all

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of the kind of the play that that encourages, to

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seeing this movie. Yep, Right, you wouldn't necessarily get the

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same kind of draw. I think maybe it.

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Would be like if if Silent Running in two thousand

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and one came out after Star Wars, wouldn't be hold

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either one of those two movies. I really feel like

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Star Trek should have come out maybe before Star Wars,

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and it would have fit right in that suite vibe

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of how the seventies movies looked before Star Wars. I

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think after Star Wars there's a different bar that's been set.

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Absolutely.

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I would also say there's kind of a different expectation

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that people may have come into, you know, if their

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kids had watched the original series. You've got this charismatic,

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semi swashbuckling debonair Captain Kirk. When we meet him in

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this movie, he's very dour, I would say, very controlling.

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If you.

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Had any kind of history with him before, you might

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think this guy's kind of a jerk.

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Got That was my confusion when I so remember that,

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Like when I was seeing this movie, I just remembered

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that I did not understand who Kirk was and why

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he was so different from the TV show.

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Right, And you have the kind of the counterpart is Decker,

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who I think does fit into that pre movie Kirk

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kind of mold. He is a little bit more charismatic.

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He is a good looking character, right, and he is

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trying to kind of like step aside and say like,

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all right, you're going to take command, Okay, I'm still

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going to show you when you're wrong, but you know,

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I'll be here in supportive So it feels like Decker's

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character is a little bit more endearing, which knocks the

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legs out from Kirk, but he kind of sets himself up.

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For that paramount. I think you know, they had, you know, money,

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they were thinking about money, and you know, of course

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obviously that's what they did what they do, but you know,

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when Star Wars came out, they probably looked and said, well,

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what do we got that can match that? And of

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course they said Star Trek and but you know, that's

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kind of a flawed thinking in their you know, their way,

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because I mean, let's be honest, Star Trek is not

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really geared towards kids like Star Wars. It's it's just

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it's just not it never has been not. I'm not

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saying kids can't enjoy and watch it. We all did,

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but but I mean it's really not the family type

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film that Star Wars is. So you know, you know,

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they tried their best with with the action figures and

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you know McDonald's had a happy meal, but I mean,

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think of the motion picture as a kid. You watch us,

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and it's going to go s right over your head.

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You know, it's like most of this stuff is you know,

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who are these people? You know, it's not until like

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you're you're like a teenager, which is when when I

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saw the film that you could really appreciate this film.

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It's it's not the family film that star wars and

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but and that's so it was flawed at the beginning

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in my opinion.

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You still get some brilliance of some of these characters

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from time to time that you see a little bit

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of them shutting through. You know, you get those moments

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between Kirk and McCoy, You get those moments when McCoy

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and Kirk all together. You even get the the ripping

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off the band aid like I like to say, when

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he tells Decker that sorry, buddy, I'm taking charge of

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the ship. You know, those those kind of moments. And

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then when Scotty was standing like giving those glances of

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what was going on. So you still get that brilliance

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of those characters. But there's still a lot of those

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element was missing in this film. But you know, they

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came back strong with Wrath of con so we can

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forgive them for that. But overall, this movie was beautiful.

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The special effects were outstanding, and I know every one

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of us can say here and agree that Jerry Goldsmith's

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score is just out of this uh and then another planet,

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how good is the score? And it's where we get

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the next generation score from the open, you know, So

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you know, we get we get a lot of stuff

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in this film that we're going to appreciate down the

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road that maybe not at first we do because it's

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kind of catching us off guard as a film. But

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it's still an overall really good film. It's it's in

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a great adventure of what's going on and trying to

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discover of in basically finding it's a satellite, you know,

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that's you know, and it's a little kid almost basically,

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you know. I think it was it Spock that said

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that or McCoy. You know that it's a child, you know,

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So you know, there's a there's a lot of stuff

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in this that is really good at the heart of it.

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And Chuck, I believe you said if you if you

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gravitate towards Spock's character here, you get a lot more

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appreciation out of this film. And I agree with that.

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When I watched this again to get ready for this podcast.

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That's exactly what I did, you know, because I had

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forgot some of the elements of this film because I

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hadn't seen it in so long.

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Did you watch the recent release of the directors I

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did addition, Okay, so you're you're actually seeing material that

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there's maybe just to kind of go down the releases

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that you possibly can see. You can see the original release, Okay,

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you can see what Wayne saw, which is the special

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longer version which was aired on a U. In fact,

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it has one scene where Kirk is coming out of

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the Enterprise in his space walk and you can see

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the set and everything all around it because it wasn't finished.

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Then you can see the I think it was maybe

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the twenty the first Director's Edition, which was was only

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made for d two thousand and two thousand and one,

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thank you, but they did not the elements of that

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movie would not scale to high definition. And then back

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in twenty let's say it was twenty twenty two, they

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David Fine and company got to the point where they

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were they were redoing all of those original those effects

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for the for the Director's Edition to come out with

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a version of this film that had the quality of

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HDR that could be printed on the film and could

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be reshown in theaters again, and that version is Christine.

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It is gorgeous.

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That's what to watch.

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It's the US version. Yes, in a pretty version.

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It puts in parts of Spock's story that were excised

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the whole I weep for Veger like a brother because

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vgre is asking questions that really, I mean, it's the

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same questions that all humanity, every culture in the world asked,

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these questions about where did I come from, where am

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I going? What do I matter? You know, in the universe,

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and Veiger has gotten to a point of it sentience

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to where it's it's now asking those exact same questions.

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Yeah, you might be confused about, you know, the idea

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that there's so many different versions of this film, but

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you have to realize that back in seventy nine, and

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this is my opinion again, but they made a mistake

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of setting a date for the release of this film

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that they just could not reach. And so the film

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was released back in seventy nine pretty much incomplete. I

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didn't have the proper edit, didn't have a proper sound editing.

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I mean, they went down to the last minute. If

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I remember reading a story that's Robert Wise actually carried

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the wet print on the plane with him to the premiere.

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That's how close it got. I mean, Jerry Goldsmith recorded

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his last recording session like less than a week before

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the film was released, so you know, they really came down.

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They didn't have enough time to finish this, so some

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of the visual effects didn't get done. It definitely didn't

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get a good at it because if you watch that

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original version, there are you know, times when they're hanging

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on the characters and it's like, oh, I cut cut,

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and they're always stand around staring at you. Yeah.

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You know.

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It wasn't really until two thousand and one that they

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did a proper with Robert Wise. He was in charge

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of this. I got was fortunate back in two thousand

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and one. I went to a convention in Baltimore about

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four months before this was release, and the visual effects

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designer that worked on Star Trek Voyager, who also did

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this motion picture, I think his name was Adam Leibowitz.

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He did a like a panel that I got to

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set in there, and that was the first time I

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saw any footage from the motion picture Director's Edition, and

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I got to sit there and listen to the technical

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aspects of putting this together, and it was just absolutely fascinating.

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But this is something that they wanted to do for

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years and years. Robert Wise always felt that he never

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would had a chance to finish his film, and he

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finally did. And then of course with the Blu Ray release,

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you know, they got to tone it down and got

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to to you know, fine tune it so that it's

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a perfect but final release, and that's why there's so

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many different versions.

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Just to expand out. So Wayne hit and if we

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wanted to start talking about production or you know what

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happened with this film, Wayne hit it right on the nail,

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right on the head. The studio had already sold this

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film to distributors to be in cinemas on December seventh.

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It had to be one hundred and twenty something minutes long.

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And if they did not get it into the cinemas

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on that date, now the distributors could start to find

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the movie company thousands of dollars, I mean, like in

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the realm of like a lot of money. So this

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is what stood over it the entire time, and in

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my brain I always had to kind of think about

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where the timeline actually happens. So if you start in

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nineteen seventy nine, they finished all the principal photography in

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right around December or January, January of seventy eight, I'm sorry,

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January of seventy nine, they finished principal photography. At this point,

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Star Trek the motion picture had more optical shots than

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Star Wars and Close Encounters had altogether. And on February

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Robert Wise went into a viewing room to see what

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the original effects company, which was able In Company or Astra,

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what work that they had, what completed shots had they

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had completed, and they had nothing.

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They had a.

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Little bit of the probe scene. So whenever you look

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at the film and you kind of notice that that

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probe scene when it comes on board the enterprise, things

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look a little bit different there. That's what Abel had

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worked on in that particular scene, but he had nothing.

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Abel gets fired, That whole company gets fired. They bring

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on Douglas Trumbull. Trumbull brings on John Diistra, and now

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they set up three separate studios or three separate locations

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in the Marin County area to where they begin working

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on the effects for this film. They really don't get

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all of their cameras built out, their software program This

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is not you know, out of the box kind of stuff.

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This is all highly specialized. They don't really get this

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completed until like June. That's when they're starting to start

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to shoot some of that film June of seventy eight,

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and they are going twenty four hours a day, three

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shifts just weeks on end this film. When mister Scott says,

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you know, she'll launch on time, you know, even if

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we have to get out and drag it out, that

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speaks for the production of this film post production.

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And it's rough post production. I mean, think about how

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much visual effects this film has, how many long sequences

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of visual effects you get, And can you imagine, you know,

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the film editor, the sound editor, Jerry Goldsmith himself having

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to just stare at a blank screen for like minute, minutes,

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three minutes trying to create stuff, trying to work on

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this and they just don't have anything there. There's nothing

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there to work on, but they still have to do

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the work.

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I mean, you know, it's crazy to think about, that's

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for sure.

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There's a there's a quote somewhere I can't remember. It

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might have been who was the studio head was it

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was it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He was like, it was like, this film is going

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to be out, even if we have to put Black

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Leader where the effects are supposed to be, it's going

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to be in theaters on that date because they don't

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they don't guarantee you that you have.

472
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:26.319
To have a good movie, right obviously, So I just

473
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:29.960
get live performers to stand up with the screens and

474
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.240
just pan them a little bit or puppet thing, right

475
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.440
exactly exactly. Well, I'll tell you what. Let's take a

476
00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:39.720
little bit of a break when we come back. Let's

477
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:42.960
get into some of our favorite parts of the movie

478
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.960
and keep digging deeper into Star Trek the Motion Picture.

479
00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.440
All r anybody, welcome back, where we continue our discussion

480
00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.839
with Star Trek the Motion Picture. So, gentlemen, there's a

481
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:57.720
lot to this movie. As we know. We've had some

482
00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.200
really good discussions of the production of it and those

483
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.559
kind of things. So let's dive in a little bit

484
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.920
deeper some of our likes and dislikes. Chuck, what about you.

485
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:14.759
As far as dislikes go, Again, there's even with the

486
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:18.799
the latest version, I still feel that some of the

487
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.039
pacing is a little bit still too long for me,

488
00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:26.160
because you know, they do through the Beagure cloud where

489
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:29.039
they're flying through it, and then they fly over Vgure,

490
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:33.680
and those two things having happened almost simultaneously back to back,

491
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:35.920
I always felt like that something could have been done

492
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:39.079
to break that up there, There could have been something

493
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:45.799
else going on in that timeframe, and that I think

494
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.720
for the most part, that's that's what really has has

495
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:53.279
never really worked for me, and in all of its incarnations,

496
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:58.000
stuff that I just think has bang on. Even the

497
00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:01.319
effects in seventy nine, even though you could see all

498
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.799
the matt lines and everything, I didn't know what those

499
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:05.720
were at the time, but even though you can you

500
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:09.799
can see them, the ship looks gorgeous. I mean, the

501
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:13.480
Enterprise I don't think has ever looked in the films

502
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.039
as good as it did. The paint job that was

503
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.480
done on that, the on the model was just incredible.

504
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:26.200
I think the production quality of what you see it

505
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.400
looks good. The money is up there, it's on the screen,

506
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:32.319
it's been it's been spent, and by gosh, I am

507
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:34.720
so glad whatever they had to do to get Nimoy

508
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.839
on board, I'm so glad that they got them on board.

509
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:40.039
That's like, one of my favorite shots of this whole

510
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.279
movie is when mister Scott and Kirk are heading to

511
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.359
the Enterprise and you get those long sweeping shots of

512
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.440
the shuttle right going, you know, around the Enterprise, and

513
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.519
you get that beautiful score from Jerry Goldsmith, and yeah,

514
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.880
that Enterprise has never looked as good as it did

515
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:56.640
in that film. You are absolutely right, shock.

516
00:27:57.440 --> 00:27:59.920
Yeah, although there was one one thing that was a

517
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.440
little weird to me. It seemed like they were going around,

518
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.559
like they went around the back of the Enterprise and

519
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:09.279
then it feels like the opening of the shuttle bay

520
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.319
was right there and it looked like it was opened.

521
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:13.519
So it was like, I just have to go all

522
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:14.880
the way around to the side.

523
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:16.839
You want to show him, show him the Enterprise.

524
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:20.200
That's that's true.

525
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:21.599
That's what it was. It was like a shuffle tour.

526
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:27.000
Yep said, you see Scotty's admiration for it because he

527
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.200
does keep looking at Kirk like, come on, this is

528
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.759
my bread and butter, this is the big show here.

529
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.160
But yeah, absolutely, wait what about you?

530
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:38.440
Well, you know the film, it's such a beautiful film,

531
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.720
every bat last bit about it. But actually I'm the

532
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:46.359
opposite of you, Chuck. I the longer sequences, especially the

533
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:49.359
vature flyover, is my favorite part of the film because

534
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:53.720
I think that's when everything gels together, because everyone that's

535
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:55.519
working on this film is doing their best, and they

536
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:59.720
really put out some incredible work for nineteen seventy nine,

537
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:04.119
and that those scenes of the flyover don't seem long

538
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.160
to me at all, because they're just it's it's eye candy.

539
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:09.839
It's it's eye candy. To me, it's it's ear candy.

540
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:11.279
You know everything there.

541
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.839
I just that's where that's an overdose. Yeah, Goldsmith's score.

542
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.039
I was reading some review where they were, you know,

543
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:25.039
they were complimenting Goldsmith's score in that it overhyped some

544
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:26.920
of the sequences a little bit more.

545
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.200
But I'm fine with that.

546
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.880
Yeah, no, no, no, I don't think you'll find anyone

547
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.720
on this podcast who disagrees that having more Jerry is

548
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:35.400
a bad thing.

549
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:36.960
No.

550
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.640
I completely agree with you on that, and we get

551
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.359
so many good themes from Jerry and in this movie

552
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.839
that obviously gets used later on and other Star Trek

553
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.119
movies and the next generation even lower Decks uses some

554
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.359
of those sound effects and stuff like that. You know

555
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:51.000
that the whole vdure score. But we'll get into that a

556
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.720
little bit when we're talking about Jerry Goldsmith, because we

557
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.680
know that's coming, and so hang on there, listeners, we're

558
00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:59.720
gonna get to that point. We promise Scott one of

559
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:00.880
us in likes and dislikes for you.

560
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:05.160
So just to expand a little bit on the I'll

561
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:08.680
start with a dislike, which really focuses on Kirk, because

562
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:11.279
I think, unfortunately we don't quite get the Kirk that

563
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.079
we get in the subsequent movies or in the preceding

564
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:18.119
series what I've seen of it. I think it's interesting

565
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:20.319
that even though he goes to such lengths to take

566
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:23.559
over command, he almost gets them all blown up because

567
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:27.480
he has that inherent misunderstanding of how the new ship

568
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:31.559
works and basically takes them into a wormhole and almost

569
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.440
gets them to collide into an asteroid just because he's

570
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.880
rushing things way too much. You also get his intradition

571
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:43.720
to Ailiyah, which seems to speak to his reputation preceding

572
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:47.480
himself or something about her culture. I don't quite understand.

573
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.960
But the first thing she says to Kirk is that

574
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:54.960
her both of celibacy remains intact and it's like, is

575
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.200
that something that you have to say when you're announcing

576
00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:59.920
yourself to somebody who's new. Is that because of your

577
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.359
relationship with Deckers, they want to make sure that there's

578
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:06.319
nothing weird happening there or that you know that Kirk

579
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.400
has a little bit of a history, is a somewhat

580
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:12.319
of a womanizer, and you're just like, it's her race.

581
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.839
Yeah, that's why. That's what that explanation was for. They

582
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:17.440
really doesn't come out in the script, but.

583
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:21.839
The book said something about their race being what is

584
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:26.279
a Dalton being highly sexual? Yes, so I don't know

585
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:27.799
exactly what that means, but.

586
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:29.680
Even the.

587
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:34.200
Version you saw as a kid, Wayne, Uh, it expanded

588
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.920
out a lot of that that those details. Uh Like

589
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.920
there's a there's a conversation between Sulu and Chekhov about

590
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.960
about Delton, and That's has this kind of nippy look

591
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.319
on his face, Like yeah, but all.

592
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.279
That I think don't Dealton's they like have like a

593
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.960
pheromone that that causes men something to to swoon over

594
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:56.759
them or something like that.

595
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:02.200
And you see the way that that in the director's edition.

596
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.240
You do see where in the probe scene where Chekhov

597
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:10.440
gets burned, Aliyah goes over and before they can administer

598
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:12.440
pain medication to him, she says, I can do this

599
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.440
or whatever, and she puts her hand on his shoulder

600
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.519
and then you see Chekhov relaxing, So you know, she

601
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.880
can use those pheromones in terms of both, you know,

602
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.079
the sexual ideal of it, but also in terms of

603
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:24.920
healing as well.

604
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:27.359
It makes me think that maybe the Daltons are slightly

605
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.400
telepathic or it could be something like that.

606
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:37.079
As far as the likes. So I'm coming from this

607
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:41.519
late in the game as a Next Generation fan and

608
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.920
watching it again for this podcast. This is after I've

609
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:49.759
seen obviously the Next Generation series, the movies, and Picard

610
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.799
season one. So what always kind of fascinated me before

611
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:58.160
seeing Piccard season one was that I keep seeing parallels

612
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.240
or possible connection points to the with this, and I

613
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.400
think it's a completely different species that haven't read into

614
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.880
expanded cannon on it or whatever it is. But there's

615
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.039
a line that Spock drops about resistance being futile.

616
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:13.759
Yep.

617
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:15.759
I was wondering if y'all picked up on that.

618
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.640
Oh yeah, yeah, it made my ear kind of perk

619
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:20.640
up a little bit, but I.

620
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:21.519
Heard that.

621
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:23.160
Go ahead.

622
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.559
I'm sorry I heard that line for the first time

623
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:27.960
this weekend when I rewatched this, and I'm like, I

624
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:29.799
wonder if these guys are going to hear that same

625
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.640
line the way it hit me this time.

626
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:34.759
Yea, it could be. I mean, I don't know if

627
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:36.160
they've ever explored in that, but I know a lot

628
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.799
of people have have theorized that Jer come from.

629
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:41.720
The boorg well, and then there's a there's a second

630
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:46.880
theory that it could be connected to h whatever species

631
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.920
the Romulans were afraid of that were the prophecy of

632
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:55.880
the synthoids. Oh yeah, right, because it talks about the

633
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.279
fact that VJER goes out to this distant plan that

634
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:03.640
I'm assuming we have no hope of ever contacting or

635
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:07.759
interacting with that kind of build it up and send

636
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.880
it back. But it seems like they're not necessarily interfacing

637
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.239
with carbon based life forms until the end when Aliyah

638
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:17.480
and Decker fused to become a you know, a higher

639
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.280
state of being or whatever. I'm assuming they ascend to

640
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.760
whatever level Badgie eventually gets into in lower decks. But

641
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:27.559
it just seemed to have some of those kind of

642
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:29.760
connection points and what I like about that are just

643
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.000
all the different threads that you could pull to say,

644
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.559
what is that world that feature comes from?

645
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.519
Yeah, I do agree with that. My only just like

646
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.360
this entire film, is the security guards uniforms. Did you

647
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.679
guys look at those on How crappy those look?

648
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:46.239
The football uniforms?

649
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:52.599
Yes, let's talk about those four guys got thrown around

650
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:54.880
so much in the original series that they said, okay,

651
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.280
we need them to have helmets.

652
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:57.320
Makes sense.

653
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.920
Well, I have a little bit more humility than the

654
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.880
you know what Kirk is wearing where you can see,

655
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.880
you know, his his secondary badge or whatever you want

656
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:08.199
to call it.

657
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:11.800
Well, now, you know, a lot of people make fun

658
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.400
of these costumes, but I what was I I can't

659
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.000
remember the costumes of the Robert It's got to do Batman,

660
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:22.440
you know. I applaud him for trying something different, trying

661
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:24.920
something a little more futuristic. It didn't quite work. The

662
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.960
little booty thing, you know, the boots attached to the pants.

663
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:29.800
I didn't like that all. But it's it's seventies. It's

664
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:30.840
very seventies.

665
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:36.199
Yeah, okay, I love the costumes because, as I said earlier,

666
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:40.280
this is a film that it's a bottle episode. If

667
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.519
you will, it might even be in an alternate universe

668
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.239
for all we know, because we never see this again.

669
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.760
It's here in this one movie, and then it's never

670
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:52.719
spoken of again. You know, it's onto the uniforms from

671
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:54.920
Wrath of Khan and that's how it is on the

672
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:57.800
way back. Yeah, So I just, I just I love

673
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.039
that seventies vibe of it. I think it's at one

674
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.360
point I was thinking, what I've changed the costumes? I

675
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.119
don't know. I think what shocked me as a kid

676
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.960
was that it was not as bright as what it

677
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:12.679
was original.

678
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:13.880
I'm glad you said that.

679
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.360
Yeah, it seemed very dull.

680
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:18.840
That's my problem. It's not the design of the costume.

681
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:23.039
It's the coloring that that that whole muted seventies brown

682
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.239
blue type. It doesn't work for me. It doesn't work

683
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:27.559
as Star Trek.

684
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.880
Well, if i'm if I'm Scott Bakula, I'm thinking my

685
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.599
looking stars went a different way with their costumes to

686
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:36.440
just be like just shoot me from the waist up.

687
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.360
That's all I am say. There's there's a reason why

688
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:42.880
they didn't use those uniforms. Again, we're done.

689
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.760
Moving on speaking in the seventies fashion. Are we going

690
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.199
to glance? Right? By the fact that Bones in his

691
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:55.400
you know, semi retirement, is not only rocking the beg's.

692
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.159
Look now that's really seventies.

693
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.840
You know, spreading out the uh the red carpet chest

694
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.360
hair for everybody to see. But then he's got the

695
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:10.800
Flavor Flav Barry Gibb medallion hanging right down there. And

696
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.079
I know it's the seventies, but damn Bones, really he is.

697
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.880
He is on the dance floor, and then all of

698
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.320
a sudden someone comes up and says, look, you got

699
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.119
a call from some guy Nogura.

700
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.599
Uh, they also talk to you about this little.

701
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.480
Known clause the damn it Jim, Well.

702
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.519
Chuck, I think you just uncovered a possible way that

703
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:34.880
they tricked Bones back onto the enterprise. They just did

704
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.519
a Saturday night fever kind of lit up dance floor

705
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.280
and he stepped on the wrong part and it happened

706
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:41.599
to be a transporter pad.

707
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.960
There you go back through the damn.

708
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.119
I think one of the one of the close introductions

709
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:48.960
is that we have one guy who doesn't want to

710
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:50.800
use the transporter. He wants he wants to go last

711
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:52.239
you right, knew right away who that was.

712
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:54.400
Oh wait, what are you doing right?

713
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:54.719
Well?

714
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:57.480
And good reason that the most five minutes ago.

715
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.400
Yeah, it's horrific. Yeah that was down the hallway.

716
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:04.679
Yeah, frightening is what that was. Yeah, I saw that.

717
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:05.559
I wouldn't want to go either.

718
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.800
I read somewhere that they wanted that to be extremely

719
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:13.519
horrific and very painful to the to the the people

720
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.159
who were starting to re materialize. But one of the

721
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.280
last things to re materialize was their mouths. So it's

722
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.280
like they're already coming in, they're screaming, they just have

723
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:23.679
no mouth to scream with.

724
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:29.880
So, yeah, somebody said, if they could have just had

725
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.719
a young Jeff Goldbloom come by with a little Brundle

726
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.119
Fly Industries kind of shirt and just be like, I'm

727
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.760
just gonna look into fixing this. Don't mind me, I'll.

728
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:39.159
Be over here.

729
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.199
Oh no, no, no, no.

730
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:44.480
Well I'll tell you what I think. We're going to

731
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:46.719
take one more break and when we come back, let's

732
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:48.800
get a little bit more into the score.

733
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.519
All right, everybody, welcome back, where we continue our discussion

734
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.239
with Star Trek the motion picture. Hey here at a

735
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.840
film at forty five. Well, gentlemen, let's talk about the

736
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.440
one thing that we've kind of hinted at and I

737
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.000
know every one of us is dying to talk about.

738
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:09.480
Let's score this film a beautiful music by Jerry Goldsmith,

739
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.960
who we've already mentioned. Quite a few of these themes

740
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.880
get used, reused throughout other series and movies and those

741
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.960
kind of things for a good reason, because he hit

742
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.880
the nail on the head with this score. It is stunning.

743
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.639
He was even nominated for the Academy Award.

744
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:26.159
For this one.

745
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:30.280
I agree, Wayne, he should have won, and unfortunately he

746
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:33.880
did not. But Wayne, chuck, go for it. I know

747
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.079
you both want to dive into this score, So be

748
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:37.360
my guest.

749
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:39.079
Go ahead, go ahead, Steh David.

750
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:41.119
I will be over here on the side.

751
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:43.679
Wayne, Well, once you started, and I'll hop in.

752
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:48.840
Well, you know, I I just love this score. It's

753
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.360
one of Goldsmith's best. I mean, if I were to

754
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.199
look at you know, top five, this is number two. Yeah,

755
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:56.719
it's not quite number one for me, but it is

756
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.000
number two. It's it's very high. This is this is

757
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.639
Goldsmith's empire strikes back, as it was to Williams. You know,

758
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.800
this is the top of his career. Of course, he

759
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.719
was cranking out incredible scores around that time. Anyways, there

760
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.920
were so many good ones, but just the way he

761
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:17.800
uses the orchestra, the themes that he creates, the use

762
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.920
of the blaster beam, which was just brilliant. It had

763
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.039
been used in a few other films, but nowhere near

764
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:26.320
as as perfect as Goldsmith used it here in this.

765
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.800
I mean, I hear that every time and it gives

766
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.320
me chills because I mean, to me, that's figure. I

767
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:35.159
can't hear anything else, but anywhere else it's Veguer. That's

768
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:40.159
the sound of that, of that cloud. Every theme on

769
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:44.480
this is perfect, every note, you know. And it's not

770
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:46.719
surprising that it's perfect because you know, he had a

771
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:48.199
lot of time to work on it, and it was

772
00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:51.679
very frustrating for him, I know, very difficult. There was

773
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.960
a lot of a lot of problems with the recording

774
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.039
of it. He had to he had to go back

775
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.320
and redo it one time, and I'll talk about that

776
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:03.039
a little bit later. But you know, there's just it's great.

777
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.039
So what I'm gonna say it's this is it's the

778
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:07.000
best part of the film to.

779
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.320
Me, And we get the most amazing klingon theme from

780
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:10.920
the Yes.

781
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.880
Which is used over and over again. He defined the

782
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:15.679
sound of star Trek of this film. I mean really

783
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:19.079
everything after this is goes back to the motion picture

784
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:20.360
and his sound that he created.

785
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:20.800
Yep.

786
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.679
That's another way that it refines the Cleons, right, like, absolutely,

787
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.800
I'm seeing them with the ridges. Yeah.

788
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.280
The Klingon sequence at the beginning of the film was

789
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:36.000
one of the best in terms of you knew now

790
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:40.599
that you weren't watching TV, You're watching emotion picture because

791
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.159
they took this race of beings who pretty much look

792
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:49.280
like humans for all intentsive purposes, a little swarthier, if

793
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.920
you will, and now they look distinctly alien with with everything.

794
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.320
And I love that on the Klingon Bridge, the commander

795
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.719
sits up at the front and everyone else's behind him,

796
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:04.800
and then Jerry Goldsmith's music comes in and it just

797
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.760
it is the theme. I think we even talked about

798
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.719
this in First Contact. I mean, it's it's the theme

799
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.280
for the for the Klingons that defines them for forever.

800
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:18.480
Yep, absolutely, yeah, yeah.

801
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:22.440
I was gonna say the the the Blasterbeam. Uh, that

802
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.440
was one that I had to go in and look

803
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:26.960
up because I I could hear what it was and

804
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.039
I just could not understand when I would listen to

805
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.719
this album, how that sound was made.

806
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:34.519
It's an interesting instrument.

807
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:39.800
It is, it is incredibly interested and I don't know

808
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.199
if you can help me remember the name of the

809
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:49.119
person who inventitives like Huxley, right, Craig Craig. Yeah, and

810
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:51.920
he was in uh he played he was as a

811
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.000
child actor. He was on a couple of episodes of

812
00:42:54.039 --> 00:43:00.519
the original series. Yep, so little connection with with that

813
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.679
as well. Thanks for remembering that first name.

814
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.159
Wasn't he in something else? I know he did. He

815
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:11.599
wrote the music that was played during the The Genesis

816
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:15.400
Project video for Star Trek two. Oh that electronic music.

817
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:16.719
I know he did that, but I swear he did

818
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.519
something else, something else in Star Trek for but I

819
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.280
don't remember now. But yeah, I mean it's it's an

820
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:28.079
incredible instrument. It's a huge instrument. It's it's very impressive

821
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.599
to play, and it's still there and he's still playing it,

822
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.800
you know recently in concert versions. He's actually came out,

823
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.360
brought it out and and performed it.

824
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.280
There's it's there are great videos on YouTube to go

825
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.679
and watch to see him play this because it's it's

826
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:48.400
it's very difficult to describe, but it is a stringed

827
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:53.079
instrument on a metal that gets hammered like like like

828
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.719
slapping guitar strings and it just it just makes that

829
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:02.639
immense noise. Yeah, so like at the as you guys

830
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.039
were discussing on lower decks, uh, at the in the

831
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:09.320
opening sequence with the Worst Day Ever, when it pulls

832
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.639
out and you see the vedre cloud, Yeah, you hear

833
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:13.960
a little bit of a rumble. It would have been

834
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:15.239
great to had a full.

835
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:16.199
On blaster beam there.

836
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:17.480
Yeah.

837
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:19.039
Yeah, they should have put that on there. I didn't

838
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:19.400
think of that.

839
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.119
I read somewhere that when Robert Wise signed on to

840
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.320
direct this film, Paramount Studio said that if he asked

841
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:30.320
him if he had any objections of Jerry Goldsmith scoring

842
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:33.039
this and his because he had worked with Jerry Goldsmith

843
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:36.480
on The Sand the Sand Pebbles in sixty six score, yeah,

844
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:41.559
and he reprobably hell no, He's great, good choice.

845
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:45.960
Yes, Roddenberry wanted to use Goldsmith back in the original series,

846
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.519
but it didn't work out with scheduling. So you know,

847
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.440
Camp Motion Picture and Goldsmith was at the top of

848
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.920
his career at that time, so yeah, they had him.

849
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.800
It was no problem. And his score, you know, is

850
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.440
one of the most requested scores. You know, it's been released,

851
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:03.519
probably the most of any Star Trek scores of multimates released.

852
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:06.559
We released six times over the years, and different various

853
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.400
war versions or forms. You know, there was the original

854
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.400
album and then they came out on CD, and then

855
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.079
there was an extended version for the twentieth anniversary, which

856
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:16.960
that I remember when that came out, I was so

857
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.559
glad it came out because of the entire score. My

858
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.840
favorite piece of music was of a Q called the

859
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.559
force Field, which is the third part of the Vedre Flyby,

860
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:27.679
and it was not on the original score, and then

861
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.280
we finally got it there. I just love that piece.

862
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:34.000
And then in twenty twelve we got the three disc

863
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.360
set from Lalla Land, which is totally complete. Everything is

864
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:43.239
in there, including the eight cues that Goldsmith wrote. Well,

865
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.039
he started when he started writing this, he he had

866
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.480
an idea of scoring this as if it was like

867
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:53.760
a a seafaring you know movie, something like Ships on

868
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.800
the Ocean, and you know, he went and wrote the

869
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.440
music and then went in and recorded it, and Robert

870
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:01.719
Wise didn't like it. He said, no, no, no, that's

871
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:03.480
not what I want. I want to march. I want

872
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.400
something that people remember when they come out of the theater,

873
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.360
so we had to go back and restart all or

874
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.639
again redo it again. But those eight pieces of music

875
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:16.280
are on this soundtrack. There was a session in November

876
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.400
of seventy nine where they had already scheduled the orchestra

877
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.440
and Goldsmith was due to go in and record score

878
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.719
and he had nothing new because he had no footage.

879
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.679
They had not given him any new footage to record

880
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.000
or to write music for us. So he went back

881
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.840
in and just re recorded everything from the first session.

882
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.320
That's all on this soundtrack, as long as as well

883
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:42.440
as the disco version of the theme and some early takes,

884
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:44.880
and everything's on there. And then of course there was

885
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:48.000
the vinyl release in twenty seventeen, and then they released

886
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:51.039
it again in twenty two for the two disc Director's edition.

887
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.320
So I mean, you can tell this, out of all

888
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:55.880
the Goldsmith's scores, is the most wanted score. It's been

889
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.679
in print almost its entire what forty five years.

890
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.719
To expand on on on part of the story Wayne

891
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:08.119
was telling there when the piece of music that Goldsmith

892
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:13.280
had played for the director, and and and and he

893
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.239
did not he did not like it. Goldsmith went back

894
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:21.440
and that is where the theme came out of because

895
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:26.119
what was missing was a theme and to start to

896
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:30.719
glue everything together. And then that became from those those

897
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.599
sessions is where that theme started to derive.

898
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.519
It's it's almost there. You can almost hear that Star Trek,

899
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:39.679
but it wants it's not quite Yeah, it wants to

900
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.880
be there, but it's not quite there. And then also

901
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.320
recently this actually came to a surprise. There was a

902
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.920
company that was releasing the print version of the score,

903
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.960
you know, the orchestral papers that and when they were

904
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:57.559
doing their research, they found five pieces of music that

905
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.320
Goldsmith had written and was never recorded. He decided not

906
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.519
to use an alternate version of the merge at the

907
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.039
end with Ali and I need to get that. Yeah,

908
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:12.119
those were those were actually recorded. Joe Kramer was another

909
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.159
fantastic composer. He did one of the Mission Postle films.

910
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:18.320
He also works on Doctor Who. He went and recorded

911
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.760
those five pieces of music, and uh, they're actually available.

912
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.519
They're they're not only any of the motion picture CDs,

913
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.800
but they are available on a set that Lalla Land

914
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.480
brought out called Star Trek the Final Frontier, which is

915
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:33.559
a four disc mix of all TV series and stuff

916
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:35.000
plus you can find him on YouTube too.

917
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:39.519
Also on YouTube, you can find the Sean Cassidy Yeah

918
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:43.719
Go version A Star Beyond Time, Yeah, which is the

919
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:45.360
love the Iliah love theme.

920
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:46.440
Yeah.

921
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.719
The seventies had this, had this thing about doing uh uh.

922
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.239
Well ever since Star Wars and their disco version, assume

923
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.679
that everybody had to do a disco version of course.

924
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.440
Well. One of the interesting things that I saw and

925
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.320
I always watched these things with subtitles just because I've had,

926
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:03.199
you know, kids in the house for the longest time,

927
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.559
so I can't help but watch something of subtitles. But

928
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:10.719
you know, obviously the the theme caught my attention because

929
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:15.679
it's used for Next Generation. But the title of his

930
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:18.639
life is a Dream is that right? Now?

931
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:20.960
That's for that's for Star Trek five. That was the

932
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.559
title that he came up with that film. Okat believe

933
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.039
it has a special the Ilia's themes called A Star

934
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:27.800
Beyond Time.

935
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:31.000
So what's interesting is it says in their life is

936
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:35.159
a dream place as it's playing that song, and I

937
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:36.920
was like, oh, okay, I didn't know I had a name.

938
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:37.920
Apparently it doesn't.

939
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:40.920
That was yeah, that was something that was he I

940
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.440
know they used that name for Star Trek five. But

941
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.760
maybe they just you know, you know retro, you know,

942
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:48.320
named everything that I don't know.

943
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:50.800
All right, well, let's move on and let's quote this.

944
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.960
Anybody find any interesting quotes about this movie?

945
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:56.000
Yeah?

946
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:59.400
I found one. You know, little Nimoy he wrote a

947
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.679
few books about Star Trek. He read a book called

948
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.880
Star Trek Memories, and he briefly talked about the film,

949
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.840
and he said that while it was a finely crafted

950
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.320
film and it did well, but from the actor's point

951
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:15.000
of view, frankly, it was frustrating. We didn't feel like

952
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.239
we were getting to play the characters that we enjoyed

953
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.480
playing in the way that we knew how to play them.

954
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.400
And it was frustrating for Gene Roddenberry too. It wasn't

955
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.159
the story or script that he wanted, and the gap

956
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.519
seemed filled with too much emphasis on special effects. I

957
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.000
agree with him, I mean, you know, in what he's saying,

958
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:34.320
it had to have been frustrating for them. You know,

959
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:36.440
they know their character. Everybody know their characters, you know,

960
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.000
even it it's been ten years since they played them,

961
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:41.719
they knew them well, and to have to stick to

962
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.400
a script that they felt that, you know, didn't quite

963
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.239
portray their characters properly. That had to been very frustrating,

964
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.800
you know. On the flip side though, and I was

965
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:54.800
going to say this earlier. You know a lot of

966
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.880
people criticize that that all these characters don't seem like

967
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:01.719
they're Kirk Spock McCoy. But you know, these are characters

968
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.599
that hadn't seen each other for a while. You know,

969
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.559
it's like going to the school reunion and you're seeing

970
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:09.639
these people like ten years later, and you know you're

971
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:12.320
going to act weird. You know, you're you're not going

972
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.480
to sure exactly how everyone's gonna act. You're gonna you're

973
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.519
gonna gonna be a little you know, distance from one

974
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.199
another until you get to know them a little better

975
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:21.480
and you start talking, and then you start getting back

976
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.159
into and by the end of the film, I feel

977
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:25.920
that that's what happened. They got started getting back into

978
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:27.039
their characters by the end of.

979
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.280
The It's a good point, it really is. I found

980
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.239
one from James Dohan. He's basically just talking about Star

981
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:35.960
Trek in general. He says, I really didn't have to work,

982
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.159
shall we say, with Star Trek. It was a natural

983
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:41.440
when they opened my mouth there were Scotti. It's like,

984
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:43.440
I tell people, what you see in Scotty isn't ninety

985
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.280
nine percent James Douhan and one percent accent.

986
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.079
I have a quote from Jerry Goldsmith and I pulled

987
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:56.719
this one because I may have said this to you

988
00:51:56.840 --> 00:52:04.360
David an email. I don't know where I stopped loving

989
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:08.599
maybe this movie and where the production of this movie,

990
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:12.360
how it got made is what I really love the

991
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.159
fact that we even have this movie. It's a miracle.

992
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:19.480
It could have gone wrong. I mean, if they would

993
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:23.719
have had two more weeks to even test this film

994
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:26.239
to see I think we would have had a different

995
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:29.599
a different film. But anyways, Jerry Goldsmith have found this

996
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.800
quote from him, and it's a little bit lengthy, but

997
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.320
it's good. He said, I think the picture, for what

998
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.920
it is, is a miracle. I enjoyed the picture. It's

999
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:39.599
not a great work of art. I don't know what

1000
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.960
picture is. And it's entertaining. A person has to be

1001
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.159
into this sort of thing, and like this sort of thing.

1002
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:46.960
There are people who go to see it four or

1003
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.199
five times and they're crazy about it, and there are

1004
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:51.239
other people who just don't like it. But for what

1005
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.760
it is, I mean it is Star Trek, and it's

1006
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:56.480
an area you either have to like Star Trek or

1007
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.639
don't go see this picture. But like I say, I

1008
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:03.920
think it's a miracle. And Alan Dene Foster even echoed

1009
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.880
some of the sentiments when he said, I mean, when

1010
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.519
you think about it, it's really a miracle that this picture.

1011
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:09.960
Got made at all.

1012
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:12.480
That's rue, you know, with all the problems they had,

1013
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:14.039
it's amazing that it came out.

1014
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.280
Oh, very thankful that it did, because I don't think

1015
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:18.199
if if it wouldn't have been made, we wouldn't have

1016
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:21.840
got Wrath of con Oh, nochs Bog anything so well.

1017
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.559
And it may not have even had the franchise continuing

1018
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:25.800
at all, correct.

1019
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:28.079
Exactly.

1020
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:30.159
Yeah, I mean if it continued on as phase two,

1021
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:32.119
say it was made as a television series, it probably

1022
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:34.880
would have ran two or three it was successful five

1023
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:36.320
or six years. Yeah, I don't know if it made

1024
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:38.800
that far. I let's say five years the most four. Yeah,

1025
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:41.360
but there would be no next generation. I think that

1026
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:43.559
would have probably been the end of it. I mean

1027
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.159
they may have talked about a film, but I don't

1028
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:46.239
think they would ever made one.

1029
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:48.719
Yeah. I think the two hour television series was going

1030
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:50.239
to be called in Thy Image.

1031
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:51.239
That was the beliefs.

1032
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:52.119
Yeah, that was the pilot.

1033
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.840
Yeah, the script that became the motion picture. Yeah, there

1034
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.880
was a great episode two from Phase two that where

1035
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.039
had Kirk in a train supporter accident being transported back

1036
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:05.559
to World War two. P Pearl Harbor. I absolutely love

1037
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.679
that script. There's so many great scripts, you know, if

1038
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:09.920
you look it up, look up Star Trek two, read

1039
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:11.840
some of the stuff. It's fascinating if you're a Star

1040
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:13.960
Trek fan. I never heard of it. Look this stuff up.

1041
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.760
Yeah, that makes me think of the Final Countdown for

1042
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:17.239
some reason.

1043
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:19.440
Yeah, remind me a lot of that too. Yeah.

1044
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.400
The there's a book out called Star Trek Phase two

1045
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:26.960
by Judith and Garfield Reeve Stevens.

1046
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:27.719
That's a great book.

1047
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:31.000
Yeah, and it has a lot of scripts from from

1048
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.000
the Phase two and and a lot of a lot

1049
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:36.159
of information about that. And I think that's I think

1050
00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:41.679
the Phase two has been documented so well that for

1051
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:45.760
anyone who loves Star Trek seek out those books for that.

1052
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.119
You look it up, even even looking up information on

1053
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.400
the movie that almost was the was it The Planet

1054
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:57.480
of the Titans, which was going to be directed by

1055
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.199
Philip Kaufman who went on to make Invasion of the

1056
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.639
Body Snatchers and the right stuff. So there are there

1057
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.599
were other attempts that were made, and I think they're

1058
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:14.280
all interesting in terms of seeing what everyone was working

1059
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.880
on in Star Trek between the end of the animated

1060
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.920
series up until the motion picture and it was a

1061
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.360
long time, from like seventy three all the way up

1062
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:25.599
to seventy nine it was in motion.

1063
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.920
So, yeah, Dave, this sounds like a This sounds like

1064
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:31.880
a future episode to get Wayne.

1065
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.760
I would love to talk about that. I would. I

1066
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.440
would absolutely love. Let let's plan that because this will

1067
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:39.960
be a fascinating subject there.

1068
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:41.800
Ego listeners, We've got an episode is gonna be coming

1069
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:45.079
down the road about Phase two for sure. Yeah.

1070
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:50.599
By the ways, the Phase two enterprise is it's it's

1071
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:56.239
it's it's the enterprise that wasn't And it's somewhere in

1072
00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:02.000
between the original series enterprise and the motion picture enterprise.

1073
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:06.079
It's just m and the model which they built. The

1074
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:10.639
model was used on some of the motion pictures early posters.

1075
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:13.119
I have one of the posters. It's it's on the

1076
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.639
back of the Yeah, that was the same picture. It's

1077
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:18.880
a little chunky, but I love it. It's it's it's

1078
00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:19.760
gorgeous model.

1079
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:21.800
I'm curious was it a price purple at all?

1080
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:24.199
Yet?

1081
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:29.039
Let's talk about that. That does bring up a good point,

1082
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:33.280
you know, with lower decks slowing down a bit. They've

1083
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:37.800
clearly shown that animation works, whether it's taking a comedic

1084
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.639
spin or not. Maybe it could have a little bit

1085
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:43.000
of that to get a broader reach for audiences. But

1086
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:45.840
if they have all those things as visual references, there's

1087
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:49.559
nothing to say they couldn't basically animate the Phase two

1088
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.119
stories or some of them and you know, catch some

1089
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:54.119
catch some interest.

1090
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:58.039
Two of the scripts were made the Next Generation Bomb

1091
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:00.400
two of the scripts, one for the Child the other

1092
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:02.639
one for Devil's Do So you know Paramount still has

1093
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:04.159
those scripts. They could still use them anytime.

1094
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.559
Well, you're listening to Paramount, we want them yep. Well,

1095
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:09.000
I mean, you know that kind of leads us into

1096
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:11.760
talking about the impact of this film. You guys just

1097
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:13.599
kind of hint on some of that, Like if this

1098
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.199
movie would not have been made, we probably would not

1099
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.159
have the Star Trek that we have today, the series

1100
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:21.039
that we have, the films that we have, and you know,

1101
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:23.559
it would be completely something different, if anything at all.

1102
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:27.599
You know, So this film really set up even though

1103
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:30.159
we already had the TV series, the original TV series,

1104
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:35.880
this film really set up an entire franchise that just exploded,

1105
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:38.400
not only on the big screen, but on the small

1106
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:41.639
screen too with television because we got the next Generation

1107
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.760
and that's my love and I'm sure just for all

1108
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:47.360
of you guys on here, the Next Generation just made

1109
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.800
me fall in love with Star Trek and that's my

1110
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:54.960
OG crew. And you know when I go to conventions,

1111
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:56.960
that's who I want to hunt down. I want to

1112
00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:00.199
meet them because that's who I grew up with. To

1113
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:03.000
think that if this film did not happen and I

1114
00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:05.639
would not have gotten now that just that's a scary thought, guys,

1115
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:06.280
it really is.

1116
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:06.599
Yeah.

1117
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:08.679
Well, I mean it speaks to the you've got to

1118
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:12.719
think of the the makeup of the formula that led

1119
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:16.719
to this even being seen as a success, because you know,

1120
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:20.199
it wasn't a perfect movie, it didn't have perfect returns.

1121
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:22.519
But I think a fair amount of that was people

1122
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:26.320
that already had love for the franchise and possibly saw

1123
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:28.920
an opportunity to introduce somebody else to it and kind

1124
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:32.159
of pass that on. So you know, to the fan

1125
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.039
base out there that's continuing to keep this kind of

1126
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:38.400
stuff going. It makes a difference because I think this is,

1127
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:43.280
you know, similar with Star Wars. You have different iterations

1128
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:46.800
that reach a different generation in different ways, and Prodigy

1129
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.199
is a great example of that. Strange New Worlds and

1130
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:53.079
Lower X or other you know, examples of how those

1131
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:55.280
things can be future iterations. But there's a place for

1132
00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:57.840
it to continue, and I think this speaks to that

1133
00:58:58.000 --> 00:58:58.280
a lot.

1134
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:01.039
All right, So, gentlemen, words, everybody to see the set.

1135
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:03.079
I obviously have it on DVD and Blu ray. So

1136
00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:04.719
where'd you guys catch it at?

1137
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:05.239
Uh?

1138
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.400
For me, it was paramount plus. Whenever I'm looking for

1139
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:08.480
Star Trek, that's where I start.

1140
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:12.000
Good place to go, Chuck. I have copies.

1141
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:17.800
I have the the the Director's Edition. It was like

1142
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:20.920
the Complete Adventure, which which has uh, you know, the

1143
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:24.480
the original. It has all the ones that I described earlier,

1144
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:30.519
uh in it. What's interesting with the special Longer Version SLV,

1145
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:34.039
which Wayne saw as it was his first, is that,

1146
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:36.960
uh they actually went in in that one scene where

1147
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:39.960
Kircas coming out, they completed the special effect for that

1148
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:42.239
so that you're you're able to see it and not

1149
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.320
pull you out. But if you so desired to see

1150
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.400
it as it was, you know you can.

1151
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:49.480
You can see that when you can't miss it. Even

1152
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:50.880
when I saw the for the first time back in

1153
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.960
eighty eight, I saw the rafters. It's it's it. You

1154
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:56.679
can't miss that. But that's how I saw it. I

1155
00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:58.719
saw the same way. I've got the same edition that

1156
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.239
you've got because I love this film, and I have

1157
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:03.440
more copies of this than probably get of the film.

1158
01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:05.719
I have that that's out there, but yep, that's where

1159
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:07.320
I watched it from Nixcellent.

1160
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:09.960
Well, Willyne Chuck, thank you so much for joining us

1161
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.639
for here at a film at forty five slash phasers

1162
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:13.119
at the time.

1163
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:14.239
Yeah, thank you.

1164
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.639
You know, Chuck, I know you've got a new podcast,

1165
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:19.079
is that right? Can you tell us a little bit

1166
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:19.360
about it?

1167
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:24.079
Absolutely? Thank you for bringing that up. It's called Cinematic Flashback,

1168
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:28.360
and we focus on films of the seventies and my

1169
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.880
friend Matt and I we are we've gone back and

1170
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:36.440
looked at The French Connection, which is a classic film

1171
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:43.280
in terms of how police procedural and dramas started to

1172
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:47.639
change from the sixties and into the more gritty seventies,

1173
01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:50.840
and then we covered a film that was new to me,

1174
01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:53.840
and this is why I like my friend Matt Is.

1175
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.519
He introduced me to a film called Breaking Away, which

1176
01:00:56.719 --> 01:01:00.599
came out in seventy nine. It won the Adamy Ward

1177
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:06.039
for screenplay that was written for the screen not an

1178
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:11.440
adaptation by Steve Tessig. And really enjoyed that film. And

1179
01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:14.400
I'm just realizing now that Star Trek Commotion picture is

1180
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:17.000
in the seventies, so I have to wait some time

1181
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:20.719
before we can cover that one. But I might see

1182
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:21.920
if I can get you guys and we can re

1183
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:22.880
talk about it again.

1184
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:27.159
Sure, that'd be great. You don't have to tell us

1185
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:29.239
twice to go do that because we love Star Trek

1186
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:29.559
as you know.

1187
01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:31.440
Absolutely no, but yeah, thank you.

1188
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:31.760
Yeah.

1189
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:35.559
So Cinematic Flashback dot Com. We are on Spotify all

1190
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:39.519
the streaming platforms and you can get us also at

1191
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:42.679
Cinematic Flashback dot com as well.

1192
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.159
Excellent. All right, well, listeners, go go check that out.

1193
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:48.519
That sounds like a fantastic idea, so you know, go

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out there and listen to what he has to offer

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on that podcast. As always, I want to thank our

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listeners and hope you are excited as much. We don't

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have very much left of nineteen seventy nine. We've got

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a one more film to cover in the that's the

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black Hole, which is coming up. That's gonna be the

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one to end us for nineteen seventy nine, and we're

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gonna be doing that with Dayton from Dockingbay seventy seven.

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So we are looking forward to tackling that one and

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having listening to us talk about it. All right, So

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if you want to reach us, you can find us

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at www dot film podcast dot com. You can write

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to us at a film by Podcast at gmail dot com.

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You can also find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x.

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Until our film reels start rolling again, go out watch

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something new, watch something different, and who knows what you

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will discover next. Thanks everyone,