Dec. 20, 2024

A Film at 45: The Black Hole

A Film at 45: The Black Hole

"The word "impossible", Mr. Booth, is only found in the dictionary of fools." Our limited series, "A Film at 45" is back for one last time to celebrate the 45th anniversary of the films of 1979! We're dusting off the end of a decade that changed...

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Season 5A Film At 45
"The word "impossible", Mr. Booth, is only found in the dictionary of fools."

Our limited series, "A Film at 45" is back for one last time to celebrate the 45th anniversary of the films of 1979! We're dusting off the end of a decade that changed cinema forever, with a fresh look at modern classics and hidden gems that we can't stop watching! The host of the Docking Bay 77 Podcast, Dayton Johnson, joins David and Scott on a mission taking them deep into The Black Hole!

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to nineteen seventy nine. In

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a Film Buys limited series, A Film at forty five.

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I'm David Burns and.

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I'm Ska Hoffmann, And as usual, we're dusting off the

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end of a decade that changed cinema forever with a

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fresh look at modern classics and hidden gems that we

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can't stop watching. This week, we're talking about the original

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Disney Space oddity, the black.

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Hole that doctor Reinhardt is walking a tightrope between genius

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and insanity and darkness.

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Was upon the face of the deep. The spirit of

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God moved upon the face of the watters. What's up, Vincent?

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The largest black hole I have ever encountered, mister piser.

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My god, right out of Dante's Infaranhoe.

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Yes, the most destructive force in the universe.

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Hairy, nothing escape, but not even light.

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On this strange trip. We've pulled a special guest into

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our orbit. Welcome back, Docking based seventy seven Zone, Dayton Johnson.

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Yeah, welcome Dayton.

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Greetings and salutations.

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Well, you know, it's it's nice to have you here, Dayton,

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because this is our last episode of a Film at

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forty five, and what better way to bring you in

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is to talk about a Walt Disney film, because, as

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we know your love of Disney.

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Right, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah. Actually I remember owning the comic

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book for this film back when I was a kid. Nice,

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And unfortunately I have no idea where it is, but

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a classic story, Yeah, yeah, I remember having that. But yeah,

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I was excited about this movie when I was a kid.

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So, yeah, Nice, I know the last time we had

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you on we were partying in the Animal House in

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eighteen seventy eight. This is a little bit of a

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different of a film that we're gonna be talking about today,

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that's for sure.

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Oh yeah, for sure.

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Well, Scott, I'm sure there's quite a few out there

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who haven't seen this sci fi epic from Walt Disney,

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So how would you describe this to them?

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A seemingly derelict space station somehow remains parked at the

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event horizon of a black hole, with only one living

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crew member on board. This discovery is made by a

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small crew of five people and one invaluable droid, who

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have to decide whether to explore the black hole further

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or escape with their lives. What begins as an exploration

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quickly turns into a MacB mystery and one of the

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most complex and often misunderstood Disney movies. So let's dig

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into the depths of the black hole.

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Let's do it. So, I guess Walt Disney's dipping their

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toe into the sci fi world. As we know, the

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success of Star Wars kind of sent the Hollywood a

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blaze because they wanted to all jump into that. Scott,

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you and I just a few weeks ago, we're talking

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about Star Trek the motion picture. So Paramount jumped in

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on board there, and I guess Disney felt like they

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needed to do the same thing. So these movies came

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out with what two weeks within one another, in December

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of nineteen seventy nine, So you know, this is a

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different type of sci fi film. I remember seeing this

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in the theater when I was very little. I remember

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being in awe of the robots. There's obviously some very

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slow moments for a kid my age, but I still

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enjoyed this movie a lot. And I'm sure Dayton did.

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Yeah. I mean, I remember Maximilian and of course Vincent Bob,

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and I'm pretty sure I had a Vincent action figure,

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and man, do I really wish I knew where that.

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Was a fortune now.

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Yes, because they did not sell very well, you know,

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and uh yeah, it's yeah, it's one of those things

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where you know, Maximilian was was scary and that was cool.

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You know. Vincent, you know, had the great wit and

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was smart and funny and he was goold and Bob

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was just funny, you know, and they were great. You know,

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they kind of burned into your brain. And that's actually

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what I always remember most about the film wearing robots

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same here.

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Yeah, Yeah, it's just that that Maximilian just scared the

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crap out of me. Man. It was like how Vader

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scared me when I was a little kid, but this

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one was kind of even worse because he had those

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spinning fans and just like, dude, I don't want to

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mess with that guy.

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Especially for Anthony Perkins.

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Yeah, or Alex missed well, he kind of brought it

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on himself. But we'll get to that point a little

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bit a little bit.

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Yes, absolutely, we were recovering this and Star Trek the

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Motion Picture back to back because they're now that I'm

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watching them both kind of one after another, they seem

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like kind of fraternal twins, they do, right, Yeah, they're

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kind of misunderstood, often underrated sci fi movies that are

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big and sprawling and epic, a lot of similarities that

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I'm sure we'll get into, but often often maligned in

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sci fi.

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And it's it's funny enough that these would come out

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almost on top of one another, because these are the

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last two movies that would have the opening overture that

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we would ever see in Hollywood again, and both fantastic.

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You know, Jerry Goldsmith's overture for Star Trek the Motion

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Picture was beautiful and John Berry's here was just as

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good in my opinion.

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So I wasn't aware that those things were commonplace. Yeah,

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because oh yeah, both movies, but particularly this one. If

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I was in the theater at the time, I probably

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would be the dad that goes to the lobby and says,

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the projector's not working, because I'm expecting like credits to

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be rolling like usually those like sweeping heroic kind of

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elements of the score show when you're kind of running

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the names of the main characters. I would have been like,

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what what is happening?

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So I noticed this, So it's interesting the digital the

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streaming version versus the DVD I owned on the DVD,

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it literally says the black Hole overture while the music playing. Okay, Now,

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on Disney Plus Word streaming it has it's nothing but

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a blank screen. So I actually the first time I

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streamed it, I was like, because I was doing on

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my phone, I was at work, I was like, oh wait,

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where's the picture missing critical moments? Yeah, So when I

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watched it on my DVD, I'm like, oh, okay, say

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that makes more sense.

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I wonder why they chose to do that for streaming.

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That's weird.

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And I can tell you the color is different too

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the it's on the streaming version. It's brighter, but it

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also doesn't look as authentic, so I thought that was

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interesting as well.

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The streaming version felt very greeny to me at times,

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very greeny, and I'm like, yes, what's happening here? But yeah,

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which is another reason why have a physical copy?

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Right, Dayton, that's right?

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Absolutely well, you know we follow that with this like

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sweeping kind of creepy score.

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Oh yeah, credits.

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Yes, it reminded me a lot.

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You know.

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Coincidentally, we're in the same year as Alien Right. Yeah,

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had a lot of similarities there, I think to that

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kind of opening crawl toward the ship and just getting

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Vincent's voice by Roddy mcdell, who is a highlight of

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this movie.

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For me, Yes, very much.

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Stuff he really is that the whole sequence of the Palomino,

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you know, slowly coming up to the to the sickness,

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and it's just like that was incredible. Man. You know,

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watching that as an adult now, I don't think I

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appreciate it as much as a kid that I do

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now because it totally sets that tone of this film.

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You see this gigantic ship just just sitting there, you know, dark,

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nothing's going on, and just adds to that mystery and

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that tension and just like the crew of the Palomino,

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you want to know what's going on. It just pulls

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you into that story. I love that opening.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah. It's one of those things. Like

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what I really like about the movie, especially the beginning

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of the film, is it really leans into science fact.

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You know, it's you know, they're weightless and they're you know,

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they're the directions they're using, and it's it feels like

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they kind of were like, Okay, cool, we're gonna make

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this look and feel as real as we can, you know,

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considering it's you know, the year twenty one thirty so

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but whatever, you know, and I like that, And unfortunately

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that kind of as the movie progressed, that kind of

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goes away, that little touch of reality kind of goes away.

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But that's okay because by that point we're just sucked in.

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We don't care anymore. But yeah, the shot of the

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first well you bring up the hologram of the black

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Hole man. That was so cool. It list looks so good,

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so good.

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Well, there are a lot of parts of that. There

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were a lot of parts of that, the opening shots

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when they're on the bridge of the Palamino that maybe

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I think of when we talked about Forbidden Planet. Yeah,

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on Doctor Simon, because it's a lot of you know,

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dialogue that sounds like you're running the ship. It's all

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like buttons and switches that don't actually work, but it

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sounds real enough, right, yes, And it gets you immersed

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into that kind of science fact aside from the star

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Trek sway that they kind of use when they're kind

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of trying to emulate zero gravity and it's like we're

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swaying back and forth like we're floating.

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But it's a unique way to introduce your cast and

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a quick way to do it. And I like that

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because you don't want to beat around the bush on

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a film. You got to get to know your characters

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really fast, and in order to do that, you got

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to see them pushing those buttons and talking that jargon

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and stuff like that, so it makes perfect sense.

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You get to see also that the whole crew knows

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how to fix things on the ship, you know what

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I mean, when they have the things at rupture, they're

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all down there working together, and then you have, of course,

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Vincent goes outside and it's it's like, okay, you know,

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yeah he might be the science officer, Yeah he might

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be just you know, the young guy, but they all

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are trained. They're all aware of how to fix things.

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And I thought that was in you know, and this

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is only like the first ten minutes or so of

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actual dialogue, and you learn a lot, you know, in

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a short amount of time, and it's done very well.

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Yeah. I like how quick they let you know that

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Kate has esp too, because they got to show that

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fast because obviously you're just going to work later on

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in the movie that yeah, he's desperately going to need that,

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and or the whole crew is going to need that

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to connect with her. They really introduced that fast.

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Well, it seemed like there was some kind of you

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mentioned when Vincent goes outside to fix things. It kind

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of felt like full circle inspiration to me, because it does.

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I do get the sense that when this came out

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that Vincent had to be influenced somehow by R two

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D two, Right, But we didn't get to see R

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two outside working on a ship, like rolling along the

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ship until the prequels. Right, it almost seems like that

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aspect of our two may have been influenced by Vincent

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going to work.

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I could see that, Yeah, no question. I mean you're

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just seeing all these robots and all that stuff throughout

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this movie. So there's a lot of influence there because

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I mean, come on, that movie was so successful Star

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Wars that everybody wanted to jump on that bandwagon.

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Well, and they, the filmmakers wanted to make sure that

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it didn't look like they were really copying R two,

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So that's why they float. I didn't want I'm rolling

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across the ground. So it's a really really fun It's

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a short documentary unfortunately, but there's one on the DVD

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and that was mentioned on there that they wanted to

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make sure they float, and then the problem was like, well,

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how do you make these things float without you know,

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as before you had the ability to really digitally remove

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the strings and things like that. So they had some

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some pretty interesting ideas, in fact, shooting things upside down

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so those strings were on the bottom of the robots

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instead on the top, things like that. So but yeah,

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you know they want him to float instead of roll.

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they're floating around. It adds especially when they're like, you know,

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the actors are doing dialogue, you see, like Maximumian kind

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of like like hovering behind them, like floating a little bit.

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It just adds such another dimension to it. It really does.

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So creepy it is, and that red eye of his

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is just like the whole.

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Head like, oh man, just get the chills.

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He kind of seems like a grandfather to the recognizer

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from Tron Yes, because he has that kind of you know,

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boxiness to him. I just feel like they it probably

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was intentional. The first clue that Maximilian is a murder

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or bot is the fact that he greets the crew

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by taking out his Swiss army spitting blade handshake, right,

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it's kind of like, well, you're not using that on

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other droids, I'm pretty sure. So that looks like it's

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made for cutting up people.

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Yeah, absolutely, well, I mean our main crew. We've got

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what Anthony Perkins plays, doctor Alex Durrant, who obviously everybody

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knows from playing Norman bates Uh in Psycho and in

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many other movies, but a lot of people know him

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from that. Maximilian Shell, who's funny enough, his name is

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Maximilian correct plays doctor Hans run Hart. And then Robert

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Forster as a Captain Dan Holland. Robert Forster has done

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a ridiculous amount of movies, Yes he has, he really has.

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Joseph Bottoms is Lieutenant Charles Pitzer. And then Yvette is

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it memo? Is that how you pronounced her name memou

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just because it sounds like a cat thing and she

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said doctor a cat McCrae. And of course Ernest born

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nine as Harry Booth as wraps up our main cast.

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Of course we know the voices of Roddy mcdallans Vincent

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Scott as you mentioned, really makes this movie for me,

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It really does. And then I believe it's Slim Pickens

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is the voice of Bob, which is.

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Yes, I mean that's like, that's like the Schwarzenegger Divido twins, right,

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very proper, very refined, Roddy mcdoll. Then Slim Pickens, Slim Pickens, I.

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Mean, he's called Bob when it's got to be Slim Pickets.

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You know, his name is Bob. You gotta give him,

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you gotta give him that name, you know, that kind

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of voice.

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You know.

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I came up with that name after they shot the

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floating scenes, like what should call him?

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Looks like. You know, I've got a lot of memories

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of Bob, and of course, you know, getting to the

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end of this film, we know what happens to Bob.

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It's a very it's very sad that whole sequence there

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at the end. You know, I'm jumping ahead, I know,

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but you know, Vincent having to say goodbye to him,

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it was that was sad man, and that was heartbreaking

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for me as a kid. It really was.

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Yeah, well, yeah, a good job of building a connection

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with them, you know, which starts with the eyes. They're

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very Disney esque, I would say, kind of expressive eyes

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that kids would be able to connect with.

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Weren't they originally going on to make like their eyes

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kind of like a ticker or something like that so

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you could see more expression.

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They were supposed to be digital, but that was way

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too expensive to make him, make him functional, make him work,

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So you know, but I don't mind. I mean, I

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like them. I think. Yeah. What helps is the fact

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that he's able to uh, raise and lower his head

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and his helmet basically, so that helps in like kind

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of giving him you know, like he's squinting at times

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and things like that, So that was a nice effect

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instead of having the ability to change what his eyes do.

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So it really does, like when he's shaking and nervous

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and stuff like that, obviously the whole his whole body

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is shaking and stuff like that. So what little they

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had it they made it work beautifully, They really did.

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And I wouldn't want that taken away, So I'm glad

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they went that route. So what are the things? You

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guys enjoy a lot about this? There's so much in

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this film to really enjoy. It's the map payings they

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use in this. It's I believe this was Disney's what

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most expensive film to this date is that correct.

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To that point. Yes, And it was also the last

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of the old studio system films where everything was done

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in house instead of farming it out. So it was

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one last of Disney's that they did for sure. And

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uh yeah, I think there's somewhat. It actually had more

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visual effect shots than Star Wars. I believe it was

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five hundred and fifty visual effects shots on one hundred

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and fifty Matt paintings. Yeah, it's a whole lot. That's

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a whole lot. So yeah, read, but yeah, it looks

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really good. It does, and that that's one of those

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things that and you mentioned Star Trek the Motion picture

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earlier and I recently rewatched that, and they they do

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share as SIMILARI but one thing that sticks out to

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me versus that one is this one has a better pace.

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I mean, yeah, there's some slow scenes, but you know,

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that's one of the things about the most picture that

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always kind of bothered me is like it takes forever

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to It was like, let's look at the enterprise and

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it's gorgeous, but it shouldn't take that long. It's like,

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let's you know, let's move along and we get to

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see the signals, we get to see that we get

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to see enough of the stuff. So this one, that's

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one thing I like. Considered that when it was it

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wasn't quite Star Wars pace. It wasn't quite you know,

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Close Encounters or whatever, but it had its you know,

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it had a good pace considering it still felt a

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little night early nineteen seventies instead of you know, moving

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into the eighties. But it was a kind of a

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good and happy medium. So I like that. And uh, yeah,

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the visual effects for the most part, still hold up

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even now, you know, I mean they I mean, yeah,

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if you're really looking, yeah you can kind of see,

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but I think you're involved enough to where you don't

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really notice it. So I like that a lot.

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And what the similarities of these two films, most picture

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in a black Hole is you get this mystery right,

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You've got to figure out what's going on, who's Vagure

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in Star Trek? And then this you want to find

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out what happened to the crew of this ship, what's

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going on, what did Reinhart do? And then But to me,

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I love both of them, I really do. I love

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both of these films, but this one I felt like

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I was pulled more into the story of the black

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Hole than I was the motion picture, and I'm a

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huge Star Trek fan, so I don't want to piss

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off any of our phasers just at the stunts, no means,

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but this one it just felt like more of a

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darker mystery, like it was more human. Does that make sense?

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Yeah, And I think that's one of the things when

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you mentioned kind of the big, long, sweeping shots, it

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was to accentuate the fact that there's something wrong here.

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Like a lot of zombie movies, like you know, zombie

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things like Walking Dead, the largest danger is the least

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threatening aspect of the whole situation, right, Yeah, they're outside

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of this black hole that can crush them instantly, and

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the most disturb thing is what's happening on the ship,

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the fact that it's this big empty ship where all

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of the crew left apparently, although there's that a few

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good men moment where he looks at the closet of

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that one crew member and he's like, but they packed nothing,

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like they like everything behind, and it's just everything we

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discover about it makes it more and more clear that

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there's something very wrong with the situation, especially the Cobra

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commander bots that he has the crew the pre squid

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Game troops. You get that sense pretty early on that

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it's probably the people, like, it's probably dead people that

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he's reanimated, because there's no way, as much as he's

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a you know, resputant kind of genius, there's no way

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that he is able to build all these robots, design them,

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run the ship and do all this stuff and park

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outside the event horizon of a black hole. Like it's

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as much as he likes to pretend that he has

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that story, it's just impossible.

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And even when they reveal that it's shocking, you kind

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of know it's coming, right, that's got to be the crew,

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but you kind of like put that behind you, like

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maybe not. And then when they reveal, like, oh, okay,

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that's so that's so creepy, right right. Yeah, And I

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believe the one the the unmasked that was the director.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a little cameo there.

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It was right, It was a perfect spot for it.

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Yeah. I Actually one of the things I enjoy is

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there's that you know, of course good versus evil, but

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they really lean into the evil, uh, with Hans always

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wearing red, you know, and even Max is red, and

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of course we know where they end up at the

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end of the movie. So it's like he's you know it,

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he's got the crazy hair, and you know, it's like

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they kind of lean into that hole. Well he's the devil,

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so why not make him look like it, you know,

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And he's trying and he's trying to seduce, He's trying

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to seduce them. He's trying to convince, especially Alex, who

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bought a hook line and sinker, you know, hero worship,

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you know, was basically his undoing. And uh, but he's

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he's playing that part. He's playing that role, you know,

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of evil genius, and you know, at times it's a

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bit over the top, but you know it's still uh,

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it's still engrossing and it makes you kind of go.

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But you know, you could the whole time you're like,

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what's he up to? He's you know, you know, he's nuts.

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You know, he's out of his freaking mind. But you're

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still like, I want to see where this guy was,

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you know.

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I mean, you really could say that the black hole

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is the white whale for Ryan Hart.

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Right, Yeah, that's true too.

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Yeah, so I mean it's it's a doctor frankson. However,

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you want to look at this. You know, he's just

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obsessed with whatever he's doing and forgets everybody's else and

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eventually destroys himself.

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Yep.

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You know, So take that lesson listeners.

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And somehow as he's plummeting into that cosmic hell, he

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he gets like hair extensions or something like. It didn't

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seem like he had particularly long hair. And then he's

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gonna like twirling and swirling there and he's got all

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this like octopus garden things happening there. I was like,

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where did all that come from?

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Right? No kidding, So, Scott, I know you mentioned to

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me over the weekend we were talking a little bit

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about this film when we were at Galaxy Coon and

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you're talking about because this is Disney's first PG movie,

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and that I believe it was rated G the first time.

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They sent this to the NPA, and they're like, and

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then they sent it back to like Disney's say, oh no, no, no,

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we got to make this PG. So they added some

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more things to make it that way. But I know

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you kind of talked about, you know, Alex getting ripped

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apart here. You don't see it, but you know what's

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happening here, you know.

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Right, right, which is which is interesting on a lot

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of different levels, not the least of which being to

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have Anthony Perkins. Not to be reductive of his career,

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but his most famous role at this point is Psycho, right.

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So to say you have a Disney movie starring Anthony

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Perkins is an accomplishment in and of itself. He did

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an amazing job of being very solid spoken and you

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don't expect that there will be anything brutal related to him,

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yet he has the most brutal death. He tries to

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protect himself with a book which Maximilian shreds through the

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knowledge and you know all that represents and you see

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this horrified expressive expression that he's getting Juliann, and like,

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that's one of the things that earns it, aside from

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a couple of language drops, I'm sure that's one of

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the things that drove it into PG land. And it's

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a it's a bold decision. I'm glad that they did it,

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and I think it shows that this is a little

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bit more of a grown up movie when you have this,

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and that the era of Star Wars and it has

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you know, action figures being marketed and everything makes it

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seem like all right, well, I'll bring the kids. But

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it does have that evault, that adult kind of tinge

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to it, and it seems like it's a movie that

465
00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:58.559
demands a lot of patience to get through the story.

466
00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:01.759
So that seals the deal.

467
00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:02.079
Ye.

468
00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:05.559
Well, I know they with this film and then going further,

469
00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:09.200
they were looking to get to make some more adult

470
00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:12.640
aimed films, you know, kind of we kind of go

471
00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:16.400
hind in hand with the family features, and this was

472
00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:19.880
the first one, and then I know Tron was also

473
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:23.079
into that group, and it was actually this film and

474
00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:25.240
that one eventually. It was the whole reason why they

475
00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.559
created Touchdown Pictures was so it could have a separate

476
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.799
studio without the Disney name on it. So but yeah,

477
00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:35.519
and I'm glad they did because you know, his death

478
00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:38.480
as you know, you know, his likable character. See it's

479
00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:40.880
it's a bummer that he gets it, but it's it's

480
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:44.559
kind of necessary, you know. It's not that Disney doesn't

481
00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:47.200
have some really brutal deaths for their villains and their

482
00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:51.079
animated features, because they do. But this one was definitely

483
00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.960
one of those that expression that Perkins makes you're just

484
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:57.000
kind of like, oh my god, you know. Yeah, So

485
00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:01.319
but yeah, no, it was. It was good and it's

486
00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:05.160
dark enough to where it you know, it definitely has

487
00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:08.599
more adult I saw it because you know, when I

488
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:10.480
was a kid, because well, it was a space movie

489
00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:12.400
and that's why.

490
00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:14.720
Yep, that's good enough for me. It's a space movie.

491
00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:16.119
I want to say, that's all I needed. That's all

492
00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:16.559
I needed.

493
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:18.559
So absolutely, well, speaking of.

494
00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:20.720
Parts that are you know, a bit more grown up

495
00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:23.640
and take a little bit of maturity to understand, Let's

496
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:26.000
take a quick break when we come back. Let's talk

497
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:28.759
about that ending a little bit, and then we'll dive

498
00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:31.400
into some behind the scenes facts.

499
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:35.559
All righty, welcome back everybody where. We are continuing our

500
00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:40.000
discussion with docu based seventy seven's Dayton Johnson. We are

501
00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:43.400
talking about The black Hole, Disney's sci fi epic from

502
00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:47.079
nineteen seventy nine. So, guys, before we dive into that ending,

503
00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:49.680
one of the things that I one shot in this

504
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.000
movie that always just blows me away. We kind of

505
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:53.960
talked about the visuals and stuff like that. It's when

506
00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:58.119
they are crossing the bridge in that meteorite, it's rolling

507
00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:00.960
towards them and they're like stillho on that bridge as

508
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.920
they're running across man. Every time I see that shot,

509
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:06.720
I'm like, Wow, that is absolutely amazing.

510
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:11.480
Yeah, it's it's definitely. I just remember the first time

511
00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.240
I saw that, I just couldn't believe how cool it was.

512
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:16.039
And I'm like, and of course as I got older,

513
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:19.359
I was like, how did they do that? Because it's

514
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:22.400
because all things considered, it does look really really good,

515
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:28.559
and you know, there's all the models and everything look great,

516
00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:30.480
and it's one of those you're like, Okay, I want

517
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:34.160
to know what that is, and yeah, it's it's very memorable,

518
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:36.680
and it's part of, in fact, the whole end of

519
00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:40.200
the movie. Once they realized, you know, what happened to

520
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.200
the crew, and everything starts to happen, and it just

521
00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:46.559
a lot, a lot transpires in that last twenty minutes

522
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.559
or so, and it's and it just keeps going, you know.

523
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:53.039
There it's they rescue Kate and there's a shootouts all

524
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:55.119
over the place and the ship's falling apart. I mean,

525
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.279
it's it's almost exhausting by the time it's over. And

526
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:00.759
even when you think it's over, well we're.

527
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.680
Not quite over right, We're going in the black hole.

528
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:08.359
Then they start getting into the black hole.

529
00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:13.160
Yes, well that I love when the Palomino, not the Palomino,

530
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.400
the Probe ship is going through, when they're like spinning

531
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:19.759
and all that, you know, it's it's the spinning was cool,

532
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:22.440
but the all the every time I watch that, it

533
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:24.640
feels very two thousand and one, it.

534
00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:26.000
Does, and I like that.

535
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:29.359
I like that. But yeah, it's uh that that was

536
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:32.240
really cool fact you know, the spinning cockpit or whatever

537
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:33.759
you want to call it. But yeah, that was it

538
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.759
was interesting. And then them freaking out it was great.

539
00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:39.519
Even even even the motion picture track. The motion picture

540
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:41.680
did that slow motion in the wormhole, so you know,

541
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:46.039
again similarities here between these two films, right, twins really

542
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.759
But no, that that you're right dating that that whole

543
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:51.200
scene where that I guess it was was that on Gimbals,

544
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.039
I guess where they were just moving around and around.

545
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:53.920
I love that shot.

546
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:56.160
I know it was great because you're just like because

547
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:57.759
you know, they're thinking, well, how do we make this?

548
00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.160
Because I did see that early on they did not

549
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.319
have an ending. You know, they weren't sure how to

550
00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:05.200
end it. At one point they were supposed to be

551
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:10.200
uh oh what is it, Michaelangel? Was that uh yeah,

552
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:13.079
the Sistine chapel. They were supposed to end up there

553
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:17.119
and which is weird. And then they realized because they

554
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.440
even went there to the church and everything. They even

555
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.720
went there and decided, no, we're not going to do that.

556
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:24.359
So they were still trying to figure out the ending.

557
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:27.680
And so once you come come up with it, you

558
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:29.119
still have to figure out how to do it. And

559
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:35.400
the the honestly, the hell scene is great. I mean

560
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.119
because you have you have Max, and you have you

561
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.119
know them now is one. And the funny thing is,

562
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.440
which actually makes it even more interesting is the design

563
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:49.319
of Max's head and his look was kind of loosely

564
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:55.880
based on the demon from a Fantasia having turn a bog.

565
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:58.720
So so you put them there with all the flames,

566
00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:01.240
and I remember as a kid, I didn't notice the

567
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:03.519
people that are there too. They're just like standing there

568
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:05.880
all robed and stuff. So this last couple, I'm like, oh,

569
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:09.119
that's right, I forgot about them. So it's you know,

570
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.319
as a kid, I was like, you know, what the

571
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.799
hell is going on? You know, And now as an adult,

572
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:16.799
it's like, oh, they just you know, they really kind

573
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:20.079
of beat you over the head with it. And it's

574
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:24.119
okay because it's definitely a choice. And they even you know,

575
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:26.720
reference it's the whole other world and all this other

576
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.319
thing and so yeah, and you have the angel going

577
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.920
down the hallway. It's just you know, and then they

578
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:35.640
come out on the other side and it's sunny, you know,

579
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:39.200
at least in the cockpit of the ship. You're like, okay,

580
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.079
So then you go, where did they go? Because you

581
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:44.839
understand where Hans went. But then it becomes the whole

582
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:49.279
question of discussion, well is it another universe? Is it heaven?

583
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:50.319
You know? What is it?

584
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:50.519
So?

585
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.039
Which is fine. I always like those kind of endings

586
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.480
where you have it leads to discussion, So yeah, it

587
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:56.000
works for me.

588
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.039
Yeah, the whole open ending I like, because you're right,

589
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.519
it leaves you, as an is watching this film, like

590
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.000
you could add your own ending if you want. You know,

591
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.079
did they find out a new world that they're just

592
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.400
going to go there and just you know, start creating

593
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.480
their own you know, lives on a new planet. Who knows.

594
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:14.559
There's all kinds of you know, things that could have

595
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:16.880
happened end of this film. It definitely was a different

596
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:18.680
hype of ending for a film.

597
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.480
Oh yeah, I'll tell you that. I don't think I've

598
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:28.079
ever really gotten through this movie before this most recent watch.

599
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.440
Like I'm convinced that I have watched this movie as

600
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:33.720
a kid, but I've never actually been able to finish it.

601
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.200
So when I saw that ending, it surprised me a lot.

602
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.519
And I think that to say, at least like the

603
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:47.359
Big Hair notwithstanding, but like after another viewing of it,

604
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:48.880
it makes me kind of think about the fact that

605
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.880
it felt to me like, you know, the Max Ryan Hart,

606
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:57.079
you know, Merging or whatever, that is standing on high

607
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.839
kind of over all of these other people walking through

608
00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:02.519
the this kind of hellscape. And I always assumed that

609
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:07.079
the the the robed figures were like those cover commander bots,

610
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.480
like the crew of the ship, if they're in the

611
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:13.880
same place, if they're in a place like hell, a

612
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.000
place of punishment, where he's kind of standing above as

613
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:20.599
a as a ruler of some kind. I wonder if

614
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:24.200
it means that parts of the crew were helping him

615
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:27.799
to do what he was doing, to like interest, they

616
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:29.720
were kind of slowly in on it, that it wasn't

617
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.039
just him twirling a mustache and pushing everybody on an

618
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:36.759
air lock. Because even the zombie factory that he makes

619
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.039
the kind of you know, it's almost like Krispy Kreme,

620
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:45.680
kind of the Carousel of Bodies cream again. But you

621
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:47.440
know what I mean, somebody had to help him build that.

622
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:52.960
And we see all these different types of droids walk around,

623
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.920
one of whom is Star played by Tom McLaughlin from

624
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:00.319
Friday of the thirteenth. You'll get another minute, But there's

625
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:05.920
only one Maximilian right He's like the prototype. So you know,

626
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.480
maybe he's something that was discovered by Rightheart and that's

627
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:10.079
what helped him get as far as he did.

628
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.400
I don't know. He created him and he became the bully,

629
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.079
so everyone had to do what Reinhart wanted to do

630
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:17.200
because of mill Right, he's.

631
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.440
Got the ginsu hands. Don't you mess with him at all.

632
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:24.400
All right, well, let's go look through the lands, guys.

633
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.079
Let's talk about some behind the scenes in those kind

634
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.680
of details, because this film was fascinating, and anytime you

635
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:32.480
get a sci fi epic like this, you got to

636
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.640
talk about how it was made. One of the things

637
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:36.880
I found interested was the sickness was a twelve foot

638
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:41.599
long model weighing one hundred and seventy five pounds. Wow,

639
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:42.519
that's a big model.

640
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:43.839
Guy, that's a big model.

641
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.480
But you need about it right because yeah, when you

642
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.920
see the size of that thing, you've got to believe

643
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.880
that thing is huge. And they pulled it off.

644
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.200
Yeah, it's a model you have to handle respectfully, right,

645
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:58.880
because it's like there's a lot of delicate parts to this.

646
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.440
It looks like the tower turned into a space station.

647
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.039
And I'm sure it's just as fragile as it was heavy.

648
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.599
So it's kind of like, nobody do nothing.

649
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:11.599
Right, nobody sneeze exactly.

650
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:14.519
I built this with toothpicks and glass.

651
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.400
That was gonna say. For the backdrop, they they did

652
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.319
a really interesting thing. They wanted to be able to

653
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.720
put stuff in front of the backdrop so they didn't

654
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.359
have to keep drawing or you know, doing Matt paintings

655
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.079
or whatever. So they actually made this giant backdrop I

656
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:36.079
guess it was like thirty feet by ten feet or whatever,

657
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:41.200
and they stood behind it and randomly poked holes in

658
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:45.079
this backdrop and then backlit it. So all those all

659
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:50.599
those the shots of the stars were done through of

660
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.720
just a backdrop that they poked holes in and and

661
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.200
you couldn't you would not know. It looked so good,

662
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:58.000
and it's what I mean because even the guy that

663
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.000
was doing is like, okay, think random, think random.

664
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.640
Oh yeah, yeah, well, you know there had to be

665
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:04.720
somebody from Disney on set that was like, all right,

666
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:06.920
my job is to stand here and make sure none

667
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.279
of you makes a pornographic constellation.

668
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:14.680
Were watching, we were watching you closely. I couldn't imagine

669
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.559
having that job po pop.

670
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:21.359
Pope, yeah right, while I went to college for.

671
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:26.599
This Yeah no kidding, geek. So I know. One of

672
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:32.519
the interesting things about Bob apparently he wasn't battered enough

673
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:35.799
when they first made the initial Bob, so I guess

674
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:38.519
they had like a clay model. So Gary Nelson was

675
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:40.319
just angry that he wasn't banking up, so he came

676
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.519
in with I guess a baseball bat and beat the

677
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.440
crap out of the clay model to say this is

678
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.440
what I want. Bobby looked like, I'm like, okay.

679
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.279
But to generate that much anger, they gave him the

680
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:54.799
toothpick job to star to ask for about three hours

681
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:55.920
and then here's the bat.

682
00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:57.960
Yeah.

683
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.519
Well it's like we went first meet Bob and he's

684
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.720
falling apart, you know what I mean. He's just there's

685
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:04.960
like pieces of him just falling everywhere, so you know,

686
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.759
the poor guy, Yes, but it was too funny. Yes,

687
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.480
I that's one of those that maybe and they have

688
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:12.320
those places now where you make it and then break

689
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:13.760
it and then I guess that made her feel better

690
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:14.360
when he was done.

691
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.480
Yeah, right, And it kind of reminds me of that

692
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.480
scene where Bob was fighting Star with you know, the

693
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.159
target was not fighting him, but you know, with the

694
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.920
target practice and then he started kind of cheating and

695
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.599
knock him off, and then Vincent was like, all right,

696
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:28.440
you want to play that game, then I'm going to

697
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:31.159
have to get involved here. That's the whole scene. Was

698
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:31.679
pretty cool.

699
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:33.199
Yeah, it was, Yeah, it was.

700
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.840
Well, and it's a it's a little strange, like I

701
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.440
didn't notice until the second time I was watching it

702
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.400
that he was doing Starry is doing all these weird moves,

703
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.119
like behind the back, like he's showing off, and it's like,

704
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:51.159
oh my god, this Star guy is such a yuts well.

705
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:52.960
And all Vincent had do was just like spin and

706
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:54.400
it's like, you know, it didn't matter. You know, it's

707
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:56.159
like it doesn't matter what he was gonna do, it's

708
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:56.679
gonna be better.

709
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:57.320
So it was great.

710
00:34:57.880 --> 00:34:58.440
It was great.

711
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.159
Did it work right as it did. So do you

712
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:02.639
guys know what Vincent stands for?

713
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:06.559
Oh? See, I did. He says that when he introduced

714
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.679
himself to Bob, I can't I can't remember.

715
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.679
Ah, oh no, I'm not committing that to memory.

716
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.679
No, I do. Information necessarily centralized.

717
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:22.280
That's right, he's he's he's coming out on the winning

718
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:28.559
end of that because Bob is the bio sanitation. Like,

719
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.119
he's cleaning up their poop on a good day, on

720
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:33.639
a good day, up there poop.

721
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.320
So yeah, that's when I don't beat up.

722
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.599
That's right. It's it's it's hard work cleaning up after

723
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:41.599
all that entire crew.

724
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:46.760
It is, although eventually it's only Ryanhart he has to

725
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:53.760
clean up after, So maybe he's good. He Yeah, the commander,

726
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.679
the cover commander bots probably still have to poop. They're

727
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:58.920
all alive still, and they're not eating good.

728
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.679
I know they still have that giant. It's not that greenhouse,

729
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:04.320
don't they. So they've just gotta go somewhere.

730
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:06.760
But they're not getting top shelf. He's giving. Well, the

731
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:10.239
left was like nobody, they.

732
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:11.679
Just have a trough. They just throw the leftovers in.

733
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:12.280
Is that what it is?

734
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:15.440
That's kind of like the bell.

735
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:19.800
I've never eaten Krispy Creams again.

736
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:24.800
Thanks guys, your health, well, your health, thanks you.

737
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:31.199
Yeah yeah, all right, yeah, any other interesting tipbits you

738
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:32.639
guys might have found about behind the scenes.

739
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:36.000
Uh yeah, Actually we mentioned how great the black hole

740
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:41.400
itself looks. Well, so to get the visuals, they took

741
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:45.079
a large, very large Plexic class tank, odded it with

742
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.960
water and then also mixed in some paint and they

743
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.800
caused it to swirl, and so of course they back

744
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.079
lit it and whatever, and they use these huge lights

745
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:56.519
to back it light it, and we're getting shots. And

746
00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:01.280
after a while the Plexi class tank shattered and all

747
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.480
the water and the paint hit the ground and everybody's

748
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:05.559
trying to get away from it, you know, kind of

749
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.880
all uh hoo framed Roger Rabbit and uh so whatever

750
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:11.880
shots they got were the only ones that are going

751
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:14.400
to keep because it was too expensive to build another tank.

752
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.199
So they kind of made some you know, let's change

753
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:19.440
the color and let's do this, and so they got

754
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.320
the you know, they did a good job with what

755
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.199
they had because you couldn't tell that it was the

756
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:26.800
same shot. But yeah, that was well, well, we're not

757
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:31.440
doing that again. There's money, We're not gonna build another one.

758
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.199
But it worked, you know, and to their to their credit,

759
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:34.639
it worked.

760
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.440
Yeah. It's funny how sometimes accidents like that can come

761
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.719
out to you know, get what you get and it

762
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.079
turns out to be better, you know. Yep, so, yep,

763
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:44.360
I guess it worked out in the long run for sure.

764
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:45.920
One of the things that worked out in the long

765
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:47.920
run was the fact that it did not get called

766
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:51.079
its original title, which was Space Probe one.

767
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:52.039
Yeah.

768
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:56.199
No, no, you're not selling any tickets.

769
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:57.159
With that, man, No, you're not.

770
00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:58.000
No.

771
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:00.480
I guess they asked like almost everybody that worked at

772
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.519
Disney to come up with suggestions. They had over like

773
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:05.920
five hundred suggestions, and the black Hole was the winner.

774
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.519
So like, well, okay, I don't I'm kind of curious

775
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:10.800
what the other suggestions might have been.

776
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:12.679
But yeah, me too. But did the person who came

777
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:14.480
with a black hole? Did he get a bonus?

778
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.960
I would like to think so, I would hope.

779
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:19.280
So yeah.

780
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:21.760
I mean their budget was twenty millions, so you know,

781
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:23.480
at least gave him, you know, like one hundred dollars

782
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:23.840
or something.

783
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:26.559
Who knows, h here's nexte hundred bucks in your check.

784
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:28.880
Right, Merry Christmas.

785
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.280
Merry Christmas, absolutely.

786
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:34.679
So two other things that I uncovered that I thought

787
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:39.280
were pretty interesting, not necessarily about the production of the movie,

788
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:43.880
but more of the marketing behind it. So legendary comic

789
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:48.719
artist Jack Kirby agreed to do the comic strip adaptation

790
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.199
for this one. Ran for twenty six weeks and was

791
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:57.960
scripted by Carl Fahlberg, who had some instrumental roles in

792
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:02.400
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Tasia, Bambi, a lot

793
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.159
of other Disney comics, and even has connections to Scooby Doo,

794
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:11.480
which hits home with me. And we mentioned the action

795
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:13.800
figures before. In this era, I don't think you could

796
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:15.960
make sci fi without some kind of marketing. I mean,

797
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:20.000
Alien even tried with some kind of one standalone zenomorph. Yeah,

798
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.800
so Mega was brought on board. They made more than

799
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:30.000
six million figures and models of the Palamino based on it. It

800
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:33.320
was released in the fall of sony nine. Apparently, to

801
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:36.599
this day, all of those figures are hard to find,

802
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:40.519
all the comics are hard to find. And I probably

803
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.159
should take a minute to apologize my brother Matt for

804
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:47.400
snapping his snapping his Anthony Perkins figure at the win.

805
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.119
It did like a wild bill like you know, you

806
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.800
spin those g I Joe figures enough and the river snaps.

807
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:59.760
That was man, man, that's sick.

808
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:03.199
Yeah it is. Well, it wasn't like malicious. It was

809
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.360
just like, I wonder, what will he be a helicopter

810
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:09.880
and then the answer is yes, but just once, just once.

811
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.920
This once remind me my figures.

812
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:16.199
And no kidding, there were a couple of things I

813
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:20.000
did want to mention before we moved on. So, uh,

814
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.159
the visual effects were very important to Disney, so they

815
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:26.800
actually brought back Peter Ellenshaw out of a ten year retirement.

816
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:29.639
He previously doesn't work matte paintings and visual effects for

817
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.440
Mary Poppins was family Robinson bedding ups and broomsticks and

818
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.599
just name a few, so they brought him back. And

819
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.039
at one point they were trying to get the Dystra

820
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:42.199
Flex camera from ILM that they used to shoot their models,

821
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.320
but apparently it was too expensive, and so Disney created

822
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:49.639
their own, the ace e S Automated Camera Effects System,

823
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.519
which enabled the camera to move on on a matte painting,

824
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:54.440
and it turned out to be superior to the one

825
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:55.639
il M was using at the time.

826
00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:59.440
That's what that's what you get.

827
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:03.360
So you know, they they solved a problem, you know,

828
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:05.039
and they got and they built their own camera. So

829
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:06.559
there you go, the.

830
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:07.159
Good old days.

831
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:07.360
Man.

832
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:09.519
When you you couldn't find what you need, is you

833
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:12.199
build it yourself and made it, you know, the good

834
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:16.840
old days. All right, Well, let's move on and let's

835
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:20.039
score this film. Guys. I know we always talk about

836
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:24.440
how important music is too films, and you know this

837
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.440
is no exception. John Berry, who did the music in

838
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:31.000
this did an out incredible job in my opinion. It's

839
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.599
everything you want, you know, including that epic sweeping score.

840
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:35.320
You know, there are elements in here where we can

841
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.360
hear for me anyway, I can hear John Dunbar righting

842
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.679
across the frontier. Yes, you really can. Yes, you can

843
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:44.800
hear it. And I'm like, oh, I know this part,

844
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:48.119
but no. When you start hearing this sweeping score immediately

845
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.840
as the credits are starting to roll, it pulls you

846
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.159
into the film really fast. It's a wonderful score. Yeah.

847
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:56.480
The only problem is there's just not a lot of

848
00:41:56.559 --> 00:42:00.800
music different pieces. There's there's one of like three or

849
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.320
four actually different pieces. They just keep reusing them. But

850
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:05.960
they sound good. They are well done. Like the really

851
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.440
creepy one that plays behind the opening credits is my favorite,

852
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:12.800
you know, because it's it's it's ominous, it's very it

853
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.639
feels very sci fi, and I like it a lot.

854
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.719
But yeah, but all the music's good. I mean, it's

855
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.000
John Berry, so come on.

856
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:21.599
Of course. Yeah.

857
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.559
Well, and that that score you're mentioning has a very

858
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:28.159
circular nature to it. It's almost like it's stuck in

859
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:32.719
a loop, yeah, which seems fitting for a giant drain

860
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:38.119
in the space that you're flying toward. There were some

861
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.880
some moments where it was playing up the creepiness of

862
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.840
the situation a lot, to the extent that I swear

863
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:48.599
I could have heard heard some elements from Ghostbusters soundtrack

864
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.679
when they were in the library and they're kind of

865
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:56.039
going through that bookie music hit me the same way.

866
00:42:56.079 --> 00:43:01.039
But yeah, John Berry is a legendary composer. I think

867
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:03.920
you mentioned a few, you know, dances with Wolves out

868
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:09.039
of Africa chaplain, but most notably a big name behind

869
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:09.880
James Bond.

870
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:11.320
Yeah, yeah, sure is.

871
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.360
I wrote the theme wrote the theme to Uh Doctor Now,

872
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.960
which I think is what we're all used to when

873
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.400
you think about James Bond.

874
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.039
Yeah. I mean, like you said, he's a legend and

875
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:26.360
he proves it every time. So all right, well let's

876
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.159
take a quick break. We'll come back. We will quote

877
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.440
this and talk a little bit more about The black Hole.

878
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.880
All r, everybody, welcome back, where we continue our discussion

879
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.519
of Walt Disney's The black Hole. All right, let's quote this, guys. Scott,

880
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:43.199
did you find anything interesting from an actor or any

881
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:44.440
of the quoted about this film?

882
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:46.400
Yeah? Well, I mean what are the what are the

883
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.719
actors that really captivated me in this one was Ernest bordnine.

884
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:55.239
He he kind of felt like a Montgomery Scott kind

885
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.000
of engineer in this one. I think he's kind of

886
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.320
a character that could be easily be drinking, but he's

887
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:03.639
with Scotty and Chief O'Brien in an engineer's bar somewhere.

888
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:08.719
But an interesting thing that Robert Forrester said about Ernest

889
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:11.880
borgnine that makes it just seem like what I kind

890
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.599
of picture he would be like on set, one of

891
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.199
those really good guys. He would say if there was

892
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:18.960
something to be done on the set. He was not

893
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:20.719
the guy who would wait for somebody else to do it.

894
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.199
If there was something that he's doing. He'd grab it

895
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.719
and do it. He'd pick up a room to push

896
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:27.960
the trash around and get it out of the way

897
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.440
if he needed to, And he said example for me.

898
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.840
So I thought that was a nice memory that he

899
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:33.480
had for that.

900
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.519
Nice that sounds like pine for sure.

901
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:36.039
Yeah.

902
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:40.400
So did anybody else catch the fact that he runs

903
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:42.280
away in this movie? And he also runs away and

904
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.559
escape from New York? It's like, is that what he

905
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:48.159
started doing at the end of his career, just running

906
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:48.760
away from people?

907
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.840
That's part of his contract. There's a wedding scene, right, Okay, good,

908
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:53.320
I get to run.

909
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:54.719
Or if it's not, it's gonna be written in before

910
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:55.440
he signs a contract.

911
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.760
Right, I got to show my wife I'm exercising. That's just.

912
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:01.679
Nice.

913
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:02.960
They did you find any quotes?

914
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.599
Unfortunately, no, Everything I looked up was more of a

915
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:10.079
quote of from the movie or you know, about black

916
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:12.400
holes in general. So I'm like, so I don't think

917
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:12.920
they want that.

918
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.880
Well, like Scott, I did find one from Robert Forrester.

919
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.199
Apparently he loved talking about the black hole. He actually

920
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:21.880
talks a little bit about It's kind of a little

921
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.800
long quote, so bear with me. He says the uniform

922
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:27.760
kept shrinking and shrinking until it was so tight that

923
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:31.400
I well, it was tight as can be. It was

924
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:33.760
form fitting, let's put it that way. And it was

925
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:36.320
the only steady job I ever had as an actor,

926
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.840
six months to the day, working from seven in the

927
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.840
morning to seven at night at the Disney Studio, shooting

928
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.000
on a number of sound stages. It was kind of

929
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.920
an adapt adaptation of one of my favorite movies as

930
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.599
a kid, Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea. The Black

931
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.320
Hole was basically the space version, so it was from

932
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.400
one of my favorite movies, and I could not believe

933
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.760
my good fortune when I got picked to play the captain.

934
00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:59.199
But otherwise I remember as a steady job in a

935
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:00.159
very tight unifor for.

936
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:04.840
Him, which I'm sure any male actor from Star Trek

937
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:08.360
the motion picture is saying, Oh was it was?

938
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:08.639
That?

939
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:10.800
Was that embarrassing?

940
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:19.920
I talk about what ifs. I know A very interesting

941
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:25.159
one was that I guess Gary Nelson wanted Sigourney Weaver. Yes, yes,

942
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:27.480
she went to Alien of course, which I think that

943
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.119
worked out better in my opinion. I would agree with that,

944
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:31.960
But that was I don't know. I wouldn't see her

945
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:33.960
in this. I mean, I guess I could, but seeing

946
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:36.360
her as Ripley now I can't see her as anything

947
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.679
else in that year, at least that's me. Yeah.

948
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.599
Well, I guess the casting department turned her down because

949
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:43.280
they thought her name sounded ugly.

950
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:48.719
Wood good for us at Gourney, like saying like, no,

951
00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:51.400
I'll change it to Susan or whatever you like. Yeah,

952
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.400
stick naguans And she chose wisely.

953
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:55.599
I think we all want you know that choice. Yeah,

954
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:59.639
the choice. Yeah. I also saw Linda Evans. Well yeah

955
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.760
that for for that part too, so interesting. Interesting.

956
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:05.719
So the person who said they didn't like Sigony Weaver's name,

957
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:10.480
I hope they were poking the stars in that background, cleaning.

958
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:12.599
Up the paint and the water from the broken plussing glass.

959
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:13.599
Take that.

960
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.360
Here's your toothpick. Wait, that's the wrong kind of toothpick.

961
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:19.760
Can you start over again? I remember four?

962
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:23.519
I know we talked where I talked about it was

963
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:25.639
gonna be originally called Space Probe one. Thank god they

964
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.880
changed that. But apparently I guess for Ryan Hart they

965
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:33.320
were considering, like Peter Cushing was one of the people

966
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.679
they were considering for that. Christopher Lee, Donald Pleasants, Max

967
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.480
even Max Vaughan said, oh, I believe yeah was up

968
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.440
for Ryan Hart. I think a few of this could

969
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.360
have probably done a pretty good job. But I like

970
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:47.920
who we got For Rehinehart. I think he did an

971
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:49.199
excellent job in this film.

972
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.440
Yeah, I would have liked to have seen, you know,

973
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:57.760
what those versions would have been like, especially like Christopher Lee. Yeah,

974
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:02.039
you know, at times it's like I think of Maximillian

975
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:05.559
Schell's other work, and this one kind of felt, and

976
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:07.840
I have mentioned it before, it's like his stuff's a

977
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:09.639
little over the top in this one, and I kind

978
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:11.400
of would like to have seen somebody a little bit

979
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:15.039
more in control. Like Christopher Lee. I think would have

980
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:16.840
been an interesting even Peter Kushing. I mean we all

981
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:19.360
know him, of course and love him from all different

982
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:21.159
kinds of things. Of course, Star Wars the first thing

983
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.000
I saw him in. But you know, I could have

984
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:27.679
accepted most of these people. Donald Pleasants, maybe not so much,

985
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.400
you know, you know, but I think you know, the

986
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.360
only ones you mentioned, but all done a good job.

987
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.599
I think it'd be interesting to see, like lost footage

988
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.599
from the screen test for some of them to say, oh, yeah,

989
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:42.320
one if it was if it got to the costume

990
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:44.800
level to see them in the you know, the Ryan

991
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:48.519
Hurt costume, but you know, spitting out some of those lines.

992
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:51.840
I'd also like to see how they would pronounce the

993
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:55.400
name of the ship, because if I didn't watch pretty

994
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.840
much everything with subtitles on our captions, I would have

995
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.199
out the wind Reinhardt welcomes Kate to the ship, and

996
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.519
he says welcome to the signas. For a second, it

997
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:12.159
feels like he's saying welcome to the sickness, and I'm like,

998
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:16.199
you're not wrong either, You're not fine, Yeah, little sinister.

999
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:19.599
Well, apparently it was originally the ship was originally called Centaurus,

1000
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.599
and then they renamed it Signus after Signal sex one,

1001
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:27.400
which was the first black hole that it was discovered.

1002
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.280
I guess, of course, I hear that and I think

1003
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:34.400
of Rush because that's one of their songs one the

1004
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.559
Rush neurded me and says, hey, that was a Rush song.

1005
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:40.800
I think they made the right choice though, yes, with

1006
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:44.559
the ship. So yeah, absolutely, all right. Well, let's rewind

1007
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:46.199
a little bit, guys and just talk about some of

1008
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.159
our likes dislikes of this film. Dayton, what about you

1009
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:51.360
and he likes dislikes uh so.

1010
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:55.000
Honestly, for me, we mentioned the visuals they hold up

1011
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:59.119
and the models look great, but honestly, it's the robots,

1012
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:02.360
especially Rodny mcdah as Vincent. You know, he's a bright

1013
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.079
spot in the movie. The way his lines are delivered

1014
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:08.119
just and and Vince is just fun, you know what

1015
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.159
I mean? And and like I said, from when I

1016
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:13.400
was young as a kid, and that's one I remember

1017
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.760
the most was apart from the giant meter right rolling

1018
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.280
through the ship were the robots, you know, especially especially Vincent.

1019
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:23.079
So he was great. He literally was the I think

1020
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.119
his performance was the high point of the film.

1021
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.760
For me, I completely agree with you on that. That

1022
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.239
was my major like was the robots. Who wouldn't want

1023
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:36.039
a Vincent as a kid, no kidding, having floating wrong

1024
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.000
by me, doing stuff for me and just hanging out

1025
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.400
and being Vincent because he was cool as hell. He

1026
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:43.320
really was, well you know what, things were getting crazy,

1027
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:44.079
he was cool as.

1028
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.400
Hell, yeah, right, and dropping great quotes right, oh yeah,

1029
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.599
kind of a I felt like at one point I

1030
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:53.360
felt like it was a if Alfred Pennyworth was a droid.

1031
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:59.719
He's always schooling you a little bit when he's helping with.

1032
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.880
Whatever need done, right, Scott, what about you?

1033
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:08.320
Yeah, I'll triple down on it and say the robots,

1034
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:12.559
I feel like, you know, I'm a little bit older

1035
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.239
watching this now, so I when I was younger, it

1036
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:20.079
was always you know, fascinated with Vincent and Maximilian. But

1037
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.199
now watching and I'm kind of interested in the kind

1038
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:26.280
of the hierarchy of different robots because they had different

1039
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:29.599
types and different styles or doing all manner of different things,

1040
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:31.760
and we probably saw a fraction of what was there.

1041
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.079
I don't know how Reinhart had the time to do

1042
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:41.239
all this, but sure so I imagine the first thing

1043
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.719
he made was a replicator of some kind, because it's like,

1044
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:49.079
otherwise you're not doing this. But Maximilian's design also stands out.

1045
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:56.000
It's so imposing. It's basically, if you if you build

1046
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:59.880
a linebacker out of legos, really really you go read,

1047
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:01.280
that's what it would look like.

1048
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:01.599
Right.

1049
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:05.480
It's all shoulders, it's all chests and just you know,

1050
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.639
the spinning blades of death. You can't beat that. Although

1051
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:14.119
his the kind of side flaps that he used to levitate. Yeah,

1052
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.239
it felt like, man if I had that figured, those

1053
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.800
things would be snapped off in a second. Clearly dangerous

1054
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:19.719
with toys, but.

1055
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.679
Apparently so cheet. Stay away with my stuff, Scott, right

1056
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:24.159
far away.

1057
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:27.000
I won't be welcome back to the House of Plastic again.

1058
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:29.360
You're not allowed anymore.

1059
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:34.239
So I do want to point out the the the humanoids,

1060
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.559
you know, with their masks everything. Those are really cool.

1061
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.079
I do like that look, and I liked the look

1062
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:40.920
of most of the robots. I got to admit the

1063
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:47.760
Century robots. I like their guns. But those things moved

1064
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:53.079
so slowly, and they were worse shots than Imperial Stormtroopers.

1065
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:54.480
Let's just honesty.

1066
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:59.360
They were terrible and uh and I'm just like, you know,

1067
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:01.800
I mean, I know, know it. It just felt like

1068
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:06.280
they were just man, you you could outrun them without

1069
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:10.320
even running, just like I'm just gonna, you know, fast

1070
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:12.760
walk to get away from them because.

1071
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.239
We were I mean, we see them doing target practice

1072
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:17.639
and stuff and Star and all of them. But then

1073
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:20.159
when they're out there actually fighting is they can't hit anything.

1074
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.360
But apparently Star is the best one, like he was

1075
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:26.800
until he got blown up on the Death Star TK

1076
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:28.800
four two one is like, hey, you like me, know, like,

1077
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.760
apparently I'm not so bad of a shot because all

1078
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:35.760
of these sentry bots line up single fire on a bridge.

1079
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.039
You've got the high ground, so you've got the advantage here,

1080
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:42.239
and you can't hit the broad barn broadside of a barn,

1081
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:44.519
nor can you dodge like just.

1082
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:46.199
No, they really can't move it.

1083
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:49.480
Yeah, no, it was crazy.

1084
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:50.639
That's design flaw.

1085
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:55.360
It definitely wasta do better, buddy that they terrible.

1086
00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:59.719
Set them to self destruct, right, they could all just

1087
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:01.800
be bomb bots that run that.

1088
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:11.280
Okay, all right, let's talk about the whatever. Let's talk

1089
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:14.400
about the impact of this film, because obviously that's what

1090
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.360
you like to discuss for nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine

1091
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:20.039
films here at Film forty five, of how they had

1092
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:22.440
such a huge impact on Hollywood and studios and what

1093
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.960
they did for the future of film. Dayton, you already

1094
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.559
touched on the Big One because of this film and

1095
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:32.639
a little others. You know, Disney created touchsdoone pictures, you know,

1096
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:35.639
because of wanting to make more adult content films, and

1097
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:37.440
they didn't want to put it ano the Walt Disney logo,

1098
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.639
you know, because everyone expects a kid film for the

1099
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:41.960
most part when it comes to Walt Disney, so they

1100
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:43.639
had to do something with that. So we get a

1101
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.440
lot of good films through touchdown Pictures. You know, really

1102
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:49.360
we can think the Black Hole because of that, right right.

1103
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:53.039
And even later when they acquired Mirramax, same idea. You know.

1104
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:56.199
In that way, people could see these movies that were

1105
00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:59.800
under the Disney umbrella but weren't Disney. So and the

1106
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:04.039
digital opening that the green you know, black Hole that

1107
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:07.679
we see was all digital, was all computer generated and

1108
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:09.840
because of that and was successful. It was kind of

1109
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.920
a direct line to uh, well let's make Tron, Let's

1110
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:16.719
do some more you know, computer generated stuff. And so yeah,

1111
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:20.159
it it gave us a lot and you know, even

1112
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:21.800
who frame Roger add one of my favorite movies of

1113
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:26.280
the eighties was through Touchtowe Pictures. Yeah, so you know, yeah,

1114
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.199
that's a that's a big uh it. It was important.

1115
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:31.519
It was a important film for that in and of itself.

1116
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:33.800
It is and I know this was a failure at

1117
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:36.679
the box office for Disney, but if you look at

1118
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:39.079
it now, I mean, in my opinion, it's a classic.

1119
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.920
It really is. I'll revisit this film from time to time,

1120
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.719
but I mean it made us want more epic sci

1121
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.760
fi films. I mean, granted, I know Star Wars was

1122
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:49.440
still going on. You know, we're going to Empire strikes

1123
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:52.039
back and stuff like that. But just really wanted you

1124
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:53.920
to have more of that, and of course starts. We've

1125
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:55.480
got a lot more Star Trek coming down the road

1126
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:58.239
and other sci fi films, so I feel like this

1127
00:55:58.440 --> 00:55:59.119
helped with that.

1128
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:01.719
Yeah, it feels like it's the kind of movie that

1129
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:05.679
propagated some of the other sci fi slow burns. M right.

1130
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:10.320
It doesn't have to always be about you know, blasters

1131
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.559
or ships or whatever. It's things that can be a

1132
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:16.840
little bit more sprawling and I have a little bit

1133
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:17.880
more patience to it.

1134
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:18.400
Yep.

1135
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:20.199
So yeah, that's good to see.

1136
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.599
Yeah, I mean, give us, give us good characters, give

1137
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:24.119
us a good story. You know, we don't need to

1138
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:26.599
have everything exploding in front of us to be pulled

1139
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:29.039
into that movie for crying out. Some people do, but

1140
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:30.960
you know I don't need that. If you give me

1141
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:32.760
a good sci fi film with a good story of characters,

1142
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:33.920
I'm going to be attached to it and I'm going

1143
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:36.360
to love it. And that's why I like The black Hole. Yep.

1144
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:37.679
Agreed.

1145
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.960
Yeah, all right, what did you guys want? I know

1146
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:43.079
Dayton's got a physical copy of this because he just

1147
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.679
showed it to us. So and I know Disney Plus

1148
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:50.239
is airing this, but Disney Plus's version is not that good.

1149
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:50.920
It's not.

1150
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:55.039
Yeah, I'm not quite sure how that happened because it's

1151
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:57.760
supposed to be you know, HD, But I'm like, I

1152
00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:58.840
think I'll stick with mine.

1153
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:02.239
Yeah, the physical copy on this one, Yeah, without a question.

1154
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:07.000
Watching it, I will say in favor of Disney Plus,

1155
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:12.119
I would say, if you want to try it, it

1156
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:14.440
definitely gives broader reach, right.

1157
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:15.480
So, yeah, I agree with me.

1158
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:17.480
It made it easy to find and it was like,

1159
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.800
all right, cool, I can get through this. But I agree,

1160
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.199
if it's one that sticks with you, definitely go for

1161
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:26.440
that physical copy because you know, to me, what I

1162
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.239
was missing was diving into behind the scenes figuring out

1163
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:31.199
how they made the robots move the way that they did.

1164
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:34.360
I kind of don't want to know because it's still

1165
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.480
like that mystery. But I think it's definitely one that

1166
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:40.239
has enough kind of story behind it that it's worth

1167
00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:41.320
getting a physical copy.

1168
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.960
Yeah, I agree, absolutely. All Right, Well, Dayton, thank you

1169
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.960
so much for joining us here on our last episode

1170
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:50.000
of a film at forty five. It's it's always a

1171
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:51.079
pleasure to have you join us.

1172
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.719
Well, thanks for having me. I love talking film, especially

1173
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:58.559
one that you know gets overlooked and gets forgotten, So

1174
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:00.239
I'm glad we were able to talk about it.

1175
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:02.280
Yeah, I know, we kind of had a conversation. I

1176
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:03.880
think it was last year. We were talking about movies

1177
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:05.960
that we were going to do in twenty twenty four

1178
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:07.639
and you mentioned the black Holes. Like, wait a minute,

1179
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.679
we're doing that. One is immediate Where we're gonna invite

1180
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:12.159
Dayton to talk about this movie? Of course.

1181
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.119
Yeah, we were in January of earlier this year, we

1182
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:18.599
did a bunch of in Scott mentioned Forbidden Planet. We

1183
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did some sci fi movies, you know, one from the forties, fifty, sixties,

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and seventies, and one I was gonna do for the

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seventies was The black Hole. And you're like, oh, we're

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doing oh like never mind, it's okay. We did Close Encounters,

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so it's okay, we did that from the seventies. Yeah,

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and then we're actually revisiting that idea in January. We're

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doing sci fi films again. So nice now to tie

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it in. The actress to play Kate, whose last name

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we can't pronounce. She appeared in the Time Machine, which

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we are actually doing an episode or not on that,

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so so tie it into this one.

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That's perfect. Yeah, yep, because of what nineteen sixties it

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was nineteen sixties.

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Yes, we're doing nineteen fifties. We are doing Godzilla Original Godzilla,

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Oh nice, We're doing the Time Machine. Then we're doing

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Time after Time, the Dark Crystal, and then I know Dave,

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you and Jeff will be on. We're going to do

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the Thing from another Planet or things from out of

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space versus the Thing, So nineteen fifty one through nineteen

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eighty two, so that's gonna be fun. So yeah, the

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sci fi episodes did really well for us, so we're

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going to go back to that and see if we

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can strike goal of the second time Awesome.

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I'm definitely looking forward to talking about that film with

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you day and that's for sure all right. So if

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you want to reach us, you can find us at

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www dot film by podcast dot com. You can write

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to us at a filmy podcast at gmail dot com.

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You can find us on all the social media platforms. Well. Everyone.

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That is a wrap on the year nineteen seventy nine

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and a film at forty five. We want to thank

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our listeners and hope you enjoyed our trip into the

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past as much as we did. However, before we go,

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we wanted to make an announcement. Scott and I will

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be back next year, but this time we will be

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celebrating films that are hitting their fiftieth anniversary. We'll be

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discussing and breaking down a few big films from nineteen

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seventy five, and we can't wait to discuss them until

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our film runs start rolling again. Go out, watch something new,

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watch something different, and who knows what you will discover next.

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Thanks everyone,