Barry Levinson - Young Sherlock Holmes

0:00 There are two well known catchphrases associated with Sherlock Holmes. Dave, can you give me one? The game is a foot Amber? How about the other one? Elementary, My dear Watson. Amber, I like that you you you chose that one, you know, being the teacher, it kind of fits. But what did surprised you to know that neither originates with the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. No, because I know where the one comes from. Okay, well, okay, Amber, I'm sure you're talking about the game as a foot. Yes, tell us where it comes from.

0:41 It comes from, uh, Henry the Fifth, from the once more into the breach, dear friends, speech, I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips, straining upon the start. The game is afoot, follow your spirit and upon this charge cry God for Harry England and Saint George. Well done, Amber, and then they take. Down the castle. It's amazing. Okay, all right, Amber's clearly ready for any Henry the Fifth adaptationally. Easy, like an all girl cast. Dave flip flipping the flip of the tables here because she took a game as a foot, Dave, Elementary, my dear Watson never written in Doyle's four novels or fifteen short stories.

1:28 So where do they come from? Then? The phrase is often credited to stage actor William Gillette, who played Holmes in eighteen ninety nine and gave the line, oh this is elementary, my dear Watson. So that's that's who's credited by it. Sir Arthur Conan. Doyle never once wrote that. Which he didn't write this either, so fitting. It's all fitting like where a dear stocker either? So yeah, so I'll tell tell you what. Let's talk about a film by Barry levitson his nineteen eighty five unbelievably underrated film Young Sherlock Holmes.

2:37 Hello, and welcome back. I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm David Burns, and I'm Member Lewis. And this is a film by podcast. Kind of excited. Uh, sometimes you have everything planned, sometimes you know exactly which episode we're going to cover, and then you know delays happened or someone's having to change your schedule up and we gotta we gotta pivot. And I was kind of surprised, you know, I was. I was between this and a Soderberg film actually, and I was like, you know what, Young Sherlock Holmes is celebrating its fortieth anniversary, and Barry Levinson has a new movie coming out this week, The Alter Nights with Robert de Niro.

3:24 And Amber. We had just talked about Robert de Niro on the Intern episode, so like the stars were all aligning. Dave, you had been after me about young Sherlock Holmes for a while. I have. I've thought at you too, and you both were like, yes, let's do it tomorrow. I was like, yeah, my leg getting that's right. These guys are ready and it's such it's such a beloved film. But before we get into it, I do want to talk a little bit about Barry Levinson. I'm excited actually when we get to the our suggestions, you know what three films we'd suggest. He's got such an impressive body of work. I struggled and I was like, well, you know what, I wonder if Dave will mention this movie, or I wonder if Amber is going to be all in on this movie. Maybe I won't have to talk about it because they will. So I'm excited to see how that's going to shake out. But tell you what three facts about Barry Levinson. He's a bit of a Beatles fan.

4:27 He once met and interviewed the late John Lennon in New York City in nineteen eighty. Pretty impressive. It is pretty impressive. Yeah, his films often take place in the past. I don't know if you noticed this, and we'll probably talk about this later when we talk about his phomography a little bit. But when you think about his movies, they all share something in common. They're historical or their period pieces. And I you know, he's not the only director that does this, but he's one of the better ones. I will say that the track up my alley, So I know, yeah, Dave, I know you. I know you love directors that do this kind of thing. One more fun. Fact for you, he frequently works with Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman. Again, he likes his period pieces, his historical stuff.

5:16 He likes Robin Williams, he likes Dustin Hoffman. Dave, after the successful limited series A Film at forty five came to its end, I had to steal something from from you. You know, I love that you guys always quoted. I love that you guys always quoted the director. So I was like, you know, why don't you just do that on the main show. I can steal it because like technically it's it's the same show, so it is. Yeah, yeah, how about but you know what, how about how about how about you give us a quote? Did you find a Barry Levitson quote for us? I did? And he he basically is talking about filmmaking in general. He says, it gets harder and harder to make movies about human beings. These movies are like an endangered species. Everything is simplified, simplified. Now, how many movies have subplots anymore?

6:04 That's interesting because now that I think about, and I'm assuming he saw with movies in like the last twenty years or the last thirty years, Yeah, they have dumbed down quite a bit. Would you agree to that, Nimber? Yeah, I mean it's it's a lot of you know, comic book heroes and dinosaurs and things like that, which are all all great and all fun, but they are You just gotta hold your breath until Nolan makes another movie and then balance is restored to the universe. Yes, thank you, TikTok generation You've done so much for us. David I said, this was just unbelievably underrated.

6:47 It is. And right, we were. Talking about that last night as we were all doing our rewrotch. Yes, yeah, like how just incredibly slept on this movie is? Yeah, I have to believe and listen, there's some great eight Sherlock Holmes movies out there, right, And I'm not talking just about recently, you know. I'm talking about you know, like one hundred years ago Basil Rathbone, like all the movies that he did right right up until recent times where we've got Artie j you know, having having a lot of fun with the character. Did you guys watch Sherlock on the BBC? Oh? Yeah, okay, so you've seen that one. That one's fantastic. Yep, absolutely loved it.

7:28 And but who's your who's your favorite performer for Sherlock Holmes. I'm partial, Jeremy Brett is the best. But I'm partial to the Basisl Wrathbone movies because that's how I first was introduced to the character. My dad loved those movies, so we would watch that a lot. How about you, David, I'm gonna have to go with Basil Rathbone because he's such a classic actor. I have to go with him. Now, there are plenty of other actors who have done an incredible job at Sherlock Holmes, but I don't always go to him for some reason. I think it's because I saw a lot of reruns of him back in the eighties, and I think that's how I got attached to him as an actor playing Holmes.

8:12 I gotta be honest. I know it's not a movie, it's a TV show, but I think I think Bennett Cumberbatch might be one of my favorites. H He's definitely more much fun. He was so much fun. Yeah, and I definitely like him more than Robert Downey Junior. But I like Robert Donnell Junior too, so I digress, Dave. I have to believe that of all the Sherlock Holmes movies out there, there's probably a lot of our listeners that maybe aren't familiar with this one from nineteen eighty five, which is also celebrating its fortieth anniversary. Can you give us a little synopsis to young Sherlock Holmes. The game is afoot in the adventure of a lifetime. It is in the early days of Sherlock Holmes, who meets his life long friend Watson for the first time at an English boarding school, Holmes quickly impresses his fellow classmates and teachers on his skills of deductive ability. It isn't long until he his new friend Watson and companion Elizabeth quickly in coover a plot by an Egyptian cult to kill British men in high standing. This puts in motion not only Holmes's first mystery to unravel, but also starts his famous future of becoming one of the most incredible investigators known to the world.

9:18 Guys, we have a debut in this film, and I was quite surprised when I uncovered who it was. And he guesses, I want to see Alan Cox. But I could be wrong. You could be an r Amber. I don't know. I kind of thought maybe all the kids were were making their debut. So trick question. It's not a film, it's it's not an actor's debut, it's a producer's debut. This is the first film produced by Henry Winkler. Ye, how amazing is that? That's what makes it so good?

9:59 You were going to st aren't we meeting him in a couple couple of weeks. We are, Oh my goodness, a happy day reunion. Yeah, we. Have the best comic this year. It's great. So everyone week, everyone's gonna be in line talking to him about Phonsie, and I'm going to walk up and be like, let's talk about your involvement with young Sherlock Holmes. Why not? Yeah, Yeah, he's gonna be He might be like, hey, I'm thank you. I'd like to talk about something that that's that's not Fonzie. Or Scream or Scream as we know. This is based on the works of Sir Arthur Cornan Doyle. The story is an original by Chris Columbus, who at the time admitted that he was very worried about offending some of the Holmes purists. I completely forgot Chris Columbus was even involved with this. But when you watch it, I mean you can clearly see it right.

10:54 The movie that Sorcerers Stone wanted to be. Okay, okay, is it too early, because uh, I got something about that. But Amber you just said so, so you know what I'm talking about. No, I'm ready to do it now, let's just jump into it. So let's go ahead. Let's just let's just jump in and do it. I want to discuss JK. Rowling's thievery because this movie. It's just a Harry Potter blueprint if there ever was one. But but Amber you you clearly agree because you brought it up. I thought I was gonna stun you, Dave. You're a huge Harry Potter fan. You see it, right, I mean with the boarding school, everything that's going on within the school, and I thought the the mystery behind things as you called, Yeah.

11:46 You guys are two of the biggest fans of Harry Potter. I thought I was going to have to, you know, convince you. But but I'm glad that we're all on the same team here. But for anyone listening. Who's like, what what is sent to a special school far from his home? And by the way, Watson is Harry Potter. I sent the picture to you guys. So the screen grab, the hair, the glasses, the scarf. He's like twelve years old. It's it's everything, right. All these kids are wearing matching scarves. The school bully or the nemesis happens to be a wealthy kid with his blonde hair extremely parted. And oh, by the way, his name is Doyle, So that you know, there's that's a two for as far as I'm concerned.

12:30 All three of these heroes. We got two boys, one's confident, one's bumbling, and a studious girl that's cruised to solving the mystery. That sounds familiar. How about the character names in this movie? We got Missus dribb Chester, Cragwitch, Rupert Wax Flatter, Bentley, Bobster Masters. The little more Dickenzie in to me. But yeah that's British. Okay, but yeah, I mean, but still I see your point. How many Bentley, Bobsters and Cragwitches are running around the streets of London. I wonder at a favorite. Part when they're trying to like snap Cragwitch out of his vision and he's like, your name is Krabby Kritcherwitch. You can't get it's so funny.

13:12 Yeah, you just you can't tell me that. JK. Rowling, who was twenty years old when this movie came out, wasn't heavily influenced by it when she created Harry Potter ten years later, you know. And the thing is, she claims Harry Potter came from bedtime stories that she made up to tell her kids. That's a bunch of bullshit, because that's you know, she didn't tell him bedtime story. She just popped in Young Scherlock Calms on VHS and you know called it a night. That's That's where I'm at with it. Well, I would love to have two televisions next to each other and play both movies like Sorcerer's Stone and you know, Shock Homes, side by side and do like a comparison, because I think they would align spectacularly.

13:53 It's funny that you mentioned that, because I want to you know, there's there's there's there's another homage happening. There's another bit of influencing happening. And if JK is stealing from this, this movie might be borrowing heavily from another movie, which I'm gonna save that one until we get to noteworthy scenes. But watching I was like. Are you kidding me? Seriously? So we'll get to that. So back to Chris Columbus. He's got a great working relationship with Steven Spielberg, who's executive producing this movie after their partnership on Grimlins in nineteen eighty four. He's also got Young Sherlock Holmes's a pretty big year for Chris Columbus. In nineteen eighty five, speaking about the character and his take on Holmes, Columbus said, the thing that was most important to me was why Holmes became so cold and calculating and why he was alone for the rest of his life. That's why he's so emotional in the film. As a youngster, he was ruled by emotion.

14:53 He fell in love with the love. Of his life, and as a result of what happens in this film, he becomes the person he was later. I think that's pretty cool that, you know, he's. He's crafting an original story and he's looking at trying to explain some of the things about Holmes's life and his beliefs. I really liked that about this movie. Yeah, it reminded me in a lot of ways of Last Crusade, you know, where they're like ticking all the boxes. You know, this is how he got the hat and this is how he got the pipe. Yeah, but they do it in such an interesting way by making him a different character than he is later in his life, that you don't really notice that it's happening.

15:37 One other person I want to talk about behind the scenes. Bruce Broughton composed the film score. Now I hear his name, I think a movie is like the Ice Pirates and the Monster Squad. But this one's probably my favorite. David your thoughts. I mean, he's just coming off scoring Silverado, so to me, this is his best score of everything he's done in his career, and he's done a lot of stuff. Oh but there's just so much to this he has, says, a magnificent blend of like intrigue, romance, high adventure, terror, and the fact that he gives that like nineteenth century British romance tone to all of it as well at the same time just really makes it unique and one of the things I love. And Jerry Goldsmith did this too.

16:25 Jerry Goldsmith always put those unique sounds into his music. Broughton used that like rattling sound effect that you hear emily, like shuffling boots on a stage floor. You know, you hear that throughout some of this, especially at the beginning and towards the end. Not to mention all that temple of doom chanting. Oh my goodness, oh. Man, how how terrified were you as a as a child watching this and hearing the romy tep chant I mean, you. Just know nothing good can come from this, no wrow Like nothing good is happening in the Spear like at. All Well, a little treat for you guys and for our listeners. We were able to get our good friend co host Wayne whiteed back for another of his scoring sessions.

17:13 Here's what Wayne. Has to say about Bruce Broughton, Take it away, Wayne. Nineteen eighty five was a great year for film scores. Alan Silverstree gave us the rousing score to Back to the Future, Dave Greskin brought us excitement to the Goonies, and Jerry Goldsmith went into action with Amble First Blood Part two. Sitting alongside these masterpieces of music was forty year old Bruce Broughton. He was no stranger to creating exciting family film scores. By nineteen eighty five, he had become one of Hollywood's busiest composers and what Broughton was mostly known at the time as a prolific television composer, having worked on series like Hawaifi, Logan's Run, Dallas, Muckrodgers in the Twenty fifth Century, and many more. In nineteen eighty five, he had just completed the music for a film that would bring him an Academy Award nomination the following year, Silverado. Young Cherlock Holmes would be only his fourth feature film score of his career, but would be the score that he would be most remembered for and one of his biggest successes. Written for a large symphony orchestra and choir, recorded with a Symphonia of London Orchestra, the score is a masterpiece of the genre. It is a wonderful score from beginning to end, richly orchestrated, featuring at least five memorable themes, full of fun and adventure and whimsy with each note and chord. The whole score

18:45 is full of incredible pieces that's hard to choose just which ones are my favorite. To start off, the main title introduces the sweeping theme for Young Sherlock Holmes. This is his intellectual theme which also has a real sense of playfulness and whimsy. The theme starts out played on a piccolo. It eventually gets taken up by the full orchestra, augmented by magical chimes and swooping flute accents. It is here where we first hear a musical technique used throughout the film called the cole legno, which is when the string players tap the cases of their instruments with the back of their bows to create an unsettling rattling effect.

19:25 Next up is Watson's Arrival, which introduces another theme heard throughout the film, a theme of friendship, introduced here as a duet for cello and obo. One of the more powerful pieces of the score is titled Waxing Elizabeth. While it's funny to note that the choir is singing nonsense words, the sheer orchestral might of these performances is so incredibly powerful it'll knock you right out of the chair. Then there's a short piece called Second Attempt, which I have to point out it's one of my favorite cues of his score, where Broughton shows off his unique playful style, fun woodwinds and strings riffing their own themes in a lovely and creative way. Finally, I'd be crazy if I didn't point out the master works of the final two cues of the score, the Riddles Solved and end Credits.

20:14 It starts off with a beautiful performance of the love theme before moving right into the rolling credits, where Broughton brings out all of his themes one last time for the full orchestra to bring the film to an exuberant end. This is a showstopper for sure, one of Broughton's finest works and one of the best film scores to come out in the nineteen eighties. Since Young Sherlock Holmes, Bruce Broughton has continued to bring his unique style of film and television music from movies like The Monster Squad, Harry and the Henderson's the Rescuers, Down Under Tombstone and even Lost in Space, and to TV series like Amazing Stories, Tiny Toon Adventures, JAG and more recently with The Orville.

20:55 Like John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith, Bruce Broughton is one of those composers with very dis distinct musical fingerprint, a unique sound that within just a few seconds of listening to one of his scores, I can tell it's his work. Over the years, I picked up many of his CDs just basically solely on the fact that it's his music. Even if I've never seen the film before, I know that I'm in for a great listen. The score to Young Sherlock Holmes has had an interesting release history. In nineteen eighty five, with the release of the film, MCA Records brought out a very short ten track album on both LP record and cassette, containing only a small sampling of the music brought and wrote for the film. It wasn't until two thousand and two before the score would be seen again, this time nearly complete and an extremely limited CD released by Introta Records. This edition was never put up for sale and only printed for promotional use only by composer Bruce Broughton himself, making it nearly impossible for collectors and fans to get their hands on without paying an incredible sum of money on the auction sites unless you knew the composer personal. Finally, in twenty fourteen,

22:34 and Trotter release it again, this time unlimited and for sale to the general public, with the entire complete score on two CDs and with sixteen minutes of alternates and excerpts never before available. And Troda again re released the score in twenty nineteen, this time as a three D CD set containing the complete score with alternate source cues and the original nineteen eighty five album remastered. This version is currently on aval for sale, but we'll be back in the near future. Once in Trotte is able to repress more copies, so if you're looking to own one of Bruce Broughton's most energetic and exciting scores that is guaranteed to put a smile on your face. Keep an eye out for it to be restocked and get yourself a copy, and while you're waiting, check out some of his other scores that are available. You won't regret it for a second.

23:27 David, gotta be honest, it's I think it's time to maybe pull Wayne off of Phasers just a little bit so. He could do more of these scoring sessions for our main show. He does such an excellent job and. They're so good. I get so excited when he's on. Yeah, people want more of it, so I love it when he wants to do it. Sure, Yeah, absolutely. I'll tell you what. Let's take a quick break and when we come back, we will talk about this amazing cast. Welcome back. We are talking about Barry Levinson Young Sherlock Holmes, which is celebrating its fortieth anniversary this year, Nicholas Rowe playing the title character Young Sherlock Holmes.

24:12 Dave, it's probably been a good fifteen years since I've watched this. Yeah, I'm looking at him like I know I know him. I know I know him. It's the lawyer from Seed of Chucky. It is yeah. Yeah. Other than that, I don't know where this man's been. See. I had a similar thing, but it was watching The Crown. He always in The Crown. He shows up as I think one of the prime ministers. He works in Parliament somewhere as a pretty significant role. I'm sure all the British listeners are like Jesus, he's playing this guy. But I'm not familiar with the gentleman he was playing. But I was very excited when he came on screen.

24:52 I was like, hey, Charlotte, I think this is a case with this cast. It's a lot of British actors, so they've got they've got a pretty impressive filmography with film and television. It's just I've never seen any of it. Yeah, because it's a British a lot of it. Yeah, it makes sense. I will I will say this though, uh Nicholas Rowe. With all apologies and respect to Robert Downey Junior, this is my second favorite Sherlock. I love I love, I love what he's doing and I know he's like what sixteen d. They caught him. I would be willing to bet that the year before they made this movie. He was like five foot two and had like a super grosspert because he's so gangly and like kind of awkward, like he doesn't know how to move being that tall yet, and it's just so charming.

25:42 I didn't see it in his hormography, but I think one of the biggest mistakes. Is that he never played Ichabod Crane. Oh that'd be perfect. Would he have been a great Ichabod? He would have. He did show up. It's Sherlock again, though, did he? In the movie Mister Holmes with Ian McKellen. Ian McKellen is playing Sherlock Holmes, okay, and he's watching a movie about Charlock Holmes and Nicholas Rowe plays the Sharlocke Combs in the movie. Oh Cod, that's kind of meta. That's kind of cool, right, yeah, kind of. You miss it kind of thing, but I like that. Yeah, Dave, you may have had this in your notes, but if you and I apologize if I'm stealing it.

26:25 But you know, since since Wayne joined us briefly, I will say the one thing I did see about a lot of these casts members, they have all had. A foot in the Doctor Who. Oh yeah, whether it's TV or podcasts or podcast series or movies. It's you know, pretty much all of them had some kind of Doctor Who thing happened. But I mean it's it's a British thing in Doctor Who's gigantic over there, like huge comedian's over here too. It's a global thing now, but you know, back around this time, you know, seventies eighties, it was more focused in the British side of it until PBS started playing it over here. So it makes sense that a lot of these actors are were involved with Doctor Who.

27:08 Alan Cox, the son of Brian Cox, is here playing Harry No, sorry, John Watson, not Harry Potter. No, Alan Cox. Is here looking exactly like Harry Potter, but playing John Watson. Again. A fantastic performance from a young individual. And I'm looking at his filmography and I just I know I've seen him in one thing, Dave, but I don't remember it at all. He was in the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles in ninety two. Yeah, Spielberg connected there. That's why. I don't know if you looked at I know I've seen the episode, but it might be one of the most boring episodes they ever did.

27:53 Indie. I looked at the I looked at the synopsis for the episode, and even it almost put me to slip. But basically, Indy spots that there's a mistake in a painting in France and it's about the Bolsheviks. And turns out Indy, you know, Dimitri, who is Alan Cox, I guess, invites him to hear a speech from Lennon and then they starts the It hints at the revolution. Or just whatever. There's no action in it at all. It's just about a painting in France, you know. Speaking speaking of Watson, and I know we're talking about the cast here, we're not really talking about the film itself yet. But what I love about this film is the fact that, yeah, it's called Young Charlock Holmes and it's about Holmes, but this is actually Watson's story, you know.

28:39 It's it's him narrating this, him finding and discovering the friend Sherlock Holmes. So I find that very interesting and intriguing of a story that they went that route. And I love that they went that route, I really do. I do love the narrator, the older Watson, who amber here the Disney expert, at least on our show. Is this the guy that's Is this the guy that does the voice for for Winnie the Pooh or am I just assuming that? No? You can you can see how to make that connection though he's this guy's got such a. Yeah, no, he's he is a voice, great British actor. He's been in like a million things. My favorite thing is he uh is the King and the Slipper in the Rose It's a musical version of Cinderella and he is completely hilarious in it. But he did you know, He's done Barry Lindon, he did a Christmas Carol, he did Watership Down. He was one of the voices.

29:39 That's where I know his voice down Dave, I know, I've got the note here. We talked about him in a film at forty five. What's his now? I feel I'm being Michael Hordron. Okay, there it is. That's where I know the voice. It's yeah. See I was thinking I was singing bears. It's actually rabbits. That was close. It was animated. Yeah no. But back to Alan Cox, It's interesting to see Watson as more of a fumbling, bumbling type when a lot of times he's he's the sounding board, right, he's the well it fits, he's the Victorian voice the reason. Right, but it fits more that he's younger in this and so therefore less wise and less knowledgeable. You know, That's the one thing that I hate about shaw Holm's adaptations is Watson is a doctor. This man is not an idiot. So as much as I love the Basil Rathbone, Nigel Bruce chemistry, like Nigel Bruce made him a moron, and you know, you had to fight that digma of that character for a really long time. So I like that Watson gets to be the hero and part of this movie and he gets to figure things out on his own. I think that's really important because that's more of who he becomes in the stories.

31:03 Yeah. Sophie Ward as Elizabeth Hardy just adorable. Yes, just I mean the fact that she's playing Hermione Granger long before JK. Relling knows that she's Amione Granger. Definitely, Like, you know, I do, I do love what the girl's doing again to one of these British actresses. Seventy three credits. We the three of us. Have seen three of them. Well, okay, Amber's giving me a look like, oh, I'm familiar. With her good shair. So she played a young girl in the Hunger in nineteen eighty three, and I'll be honest, I have no recollection of her in The Hunger because I was looking at other things in the Hunger, and if you're seeing The Hunger, you know what I'm talking about. She was in Return to Oz in nineteen eighty five, same year.

31:56 As Scared the Hack Hat Everybody. A little scary in that right right well, and then obviously the other seventy movies that she's done, you know, movies and television, I just haven't seen them. This is when the Michael Fastpender Mia Watsakowska Jane Eyre that came out not too long ago, and played a snotty character. So when she showed up, I was like, Oh, no, you're not this person. That's why Jeff doesn't know it. Hey, you didn't know it either. That's let's not pretend that Amber's not adding gravitas to this show now, because she's seen certain things that we would never watch. So of course she was in Jane Air Ambry.

32:40 Yeah, obviously I loved her in Jane Eyre. When I will watch. It at something, Oh boys, you know, just As much as I love to talk about Watson and what he brought to this film, I want to talk about Elizabeth Hardy as well. I love the fact that the romance wasn't overwhelming at all in this film. It was just it was there, but it wasn't in your face at all. You could just see just little bits of it here and there when her and Holmes would interact with one another. And obviously you know when she gets kidnapped and he goes after her, those kind of things, and obviously we know what happens to her, and it's the second time that he cried that, Watson mentions. But I just love how they balanced that romance so well that it didn't overwhelm the story at all.

33:27 It's almost like they're in on the secret, like their relationship is guarded. They're not making a big deal about it. Right, Even the creep Doyle who's making moves at her, you got to assume that he's maybe he's making moves at her because they haven't openly showed that they're in a relationship. Possibly, I don't know. I like how subtle it is. You're absolutely right, David, I think this might have one of the most dashing adversaries in an adventure movie like this. Anthony Higgins as Professor hath Amber. What do you think about the good professor? He is charmingly diabolical. I completely agree.

34:10 I mean you're probably your probably team uh you know, Team Wrath until the big reveal at the end, right right, and then you're. Like, oh man, it's always the good. Looking one, Dave Ambers. Why he looks everything, Dave Ambers. The one that's sitting in the front of his class like blinking her eyes doing the love you blink like ding. That's Amber. Lewis speaking of Raiders. This guy was in Raiders. He must have been in it for like three point two seconds because I don't so. You remember, you remember when they're taking the arc check out what it can do. Amber. He plays Dietrich's second in command, Gobbler. Mm hmm. He's got it's like a It's like one scene you see in prominently standing next to Dietrich and then you won't see him for the rest of the movie.

35:04 Was he German Soldier number fifty? Well he had, I mean at least he had a name. He true, he gets the he gets credit with the name. So he was smart to stand next to the guy that got the close. Up, so exactly exactly, you know, I I Wraith was awesome. I think he was a very dashing villain that that uncovers. But the one that freaked me out the most was Missus Dribb. I mean was okay, hold on, hold on one more, Okay, what you guys are You guys are just moving right along? All right? Well, before we get to missus Dribb, a little fun fact about Higgins. Did you guys know he's only he's he's just one of only. Two actors that have played both Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarty.

35:47 No now, so obviously he's playing you know, spoiler alert. Forty years later, he does end up becoming Moriarty in this movie, but he also played Sherlock Holmes in Sherlock Holmes Returns in nineteen ninety three. Amber, we were off Mike the other day and you said you had a story about the end credits. You want you want to share that? Oh? God? So so. My dad loved Sherlock Holmes, read the stories over and over, saw the movies, and I when this movie came out, I had read like, I don't know, maybe half a dozen stories and had seen some of the Basil Rathbone movies and that was kind of it. And so we watched the movie. We go through the end credits and you're watching this sleigh travel through the snow and this man is all bundled up in there and he gets out and he goes into the inn and the woman says, you know, sign the register.

36:45 And in my defense, his handwriting is atrocious. So if you didn't know already what he was writing, like, there's really no way you knew what it was. And so he writes his name and my dad starts laughing and I'm like I don't get it, and he's like he's Moriarty, and I was like Phil and my dad just was like do I yell at her? Do I have a heart attack? Like what do I do? And then he just handed me riking buck falls and one's like I read this. But that was like a running joke in our family for a long time, like who the hell is Moriarty? Like what even is that thing?

37:29 Your dad would have been equally disappointed in me, because up until recently I didn't even know there was an end credit sequence, like a little stinger, what. It's one of those things where Holmes leaves in a carriage. You bare your face in some pot in the last bit of your popcorn, and you look back up the credits are rolling and you see, you know, carriage moving, it's driving through the countryside. I was just like, okay, well he's leaving. He's going to his brother's house. One to Micross house. Whatever. Yeah, got up and walk away, evens Jeff I insert my meme of get out.

38:10 But here's the thing, Like in recent years now, it's like I want to watch all the way to the end because we were doing this show and it's like I'm always now I'm looking for like East Eggs, like someone's name, Like wait, that person was a props master before they were a director, you know. So I'm watching, I'm like, wow, we're still doing this. We haven't faded a black. And then I'm like, oh wait, we're not. This is even homes It's it's the Professor. And then he signs Moriarty. I'm like, holy what forty forty year old time bomb just blows in my head. Yeah all right, well, okay, Susan Fleetwood, this is drib you guys, now you're quiet you guys were like, let's talk about drib wow.

38:52 I mean, she just freaks me out, man, come on, yeah, she is character and. It always freaks Liam out because she's Athena and Clash of the Titans. And he's like, but how could you. You know, in any character that's a villain that's like threatening an animal. Straight too? She doesn't even like she starts out with let's take it to the pound, which is bad nothing. Then she's like, oh it's okay, I'll kill it myself. Like it's like nobody DW. Zero to sixty and such a bummer. I'm with I'm with Liam. You know, she's the goddess Athena from Clash of the Titans and maybe the most attractive of the of the goddesses.

39:38 I mean, I'm sorry, Jean Maggie Smith, go watch the movie again. What's the matter with you? Look? He looks has like one shoulder going like come on. But you know, I'm just saying like I and we all have a type. And Athena was like the girl next door, the you know, the brunette. I got a shot with her Amber is what I'm saying. Ok, you know, but yeah, to see her go from that to scary bald psychopath when that wig comes. Yeah, no way. The only the only thing that that seems missing is Bruce Campbell going, hey.

40:25 She bitch, get some yes, terrifying no is Yeah. Oh man, Uh that's who I wanted to talk about. I know there's a bunch of British guys. I suspect both both of you have information about you know, anyone you want to you want to mention before we move on. Well, the fun thing is that almost every single one of them has played Holmes or Watson or Moriarty or Lestratton like something. Yeah, Dave, was that on the casting sheet? Like probably? Yeah, bring bring a you know, bring a photo and make sure you've been at least some kind of production stage or screen. Yeah.

41:08 Everyone Sherlock Holmes and doctor Who. This while if you need a cast I can do one or both of them. This is this is like in America you get to the Law and Order. Yeah, bum year book. Who. Yeah. Uh So this movie also known as Young Sherlock Holmes and the Pyramid of Fear. The retitling was done overseas and on home video to give the movie a more adventurous title, akin to Spielberg's Raiders. Of the Lost Ark and Temple of Doom. I don't like it. Okay, So here's where I'm at with it. First off, this movie screams.

41:52 Franchise, and I don't understand why we didn't get it. I mean I do, but but I don't. I like the first one is young Sherlock Holmes, and then you move on to young Sherlock Holmes and the you know, give it the indie treatment that way, because I will never say Indiana Jones and the Raiders. Of the Lost Dark. That's no sacrilege. It's always Raiders of Law fart, that's it. Yes, yeah, it's Star Wars. I'm not. I'm just I'm just not gonna say, hey, yeah, I like I like a New Hope. I'm gonna say, I know, I like, I like Star Wars. You know, the retitling posts release. I'm not. I'm not a fan of Nope. Dave nominated for Best Visual Effects.

42:34 For good reason. What's the reason Because this is the first THEATCA movie to have used completely CGI for a character in a film, and is of course the night when he's coming out of the stained glass window to attack the priest. Industrial Lyton Magic animated this scene, and of course the person who oversaw that is John Lassiter, who we all know has a lot to do with Pixar. Yeah, this is It's kind of like Pixar's right. Yeah, absolutely it is, and it's incredible. I mean, it still looks really good in this film. When I was watching it yesterday, I'm like, man, this still looks good.

43:14 So I've got the the still book, the Blu Ray Steal book on this That night looks fantastic. Yeah, you would never know it's nineteen eighty five. No, you just wouldn't. Well, and let's give a shout out to the Foley as well, because like the crunching of his steps and the way when he clutches the sword, like the way the glass grinds together. Yeah, all of that is just amazing. Absolutely good, call amazing. As it is the fifty eighth Academy Awards. It loses to What to Cocoon Amber This movie, This movie, this.

43:59 Movie has the the Glass Night Cocoon has Wolford Brimley in a swimming pool. What the hell is going on? And at the at the Academy Awards and. Even all the hallucination stuff that you see throughout this film. Yeah, absolutely, all incredible. All like the night is the only effect that was done. Like, there are amazing effects throughout. Oh, that's I'm gonna say potty words. That's wrong. Yeah, we got sponsors. Be careful. But somebody's paying somebody off, is what that is? Yeah, that Howard has a lot of friends. Little Kenningham was making some phone calls.

44:40 Wait, hold on, Ron, Howard's film wins this award against Winkler. Winkler's producing Richie. This is Richie versus Fonsie and Richie and Richie wins chance. Opie. Kenningham's been in the game since he was three. Well, Jeff, we need to bring this up to both of them. When we see we're going, yeah, we're going yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's not we're talking around Howard. You're burning down the comic. Yeah, let's scratch up a forty year. Old Yeah, I'm not. Let's talk. Let's talk fifty eight awards. How do you really feel? And do you mind if you record it right?

45:22 Can we get a SoundBite? Please? Do you have any any good stuff from from you that you uncovered? Yeah? So if if you've noticed there is a theme throughout this film that you'll notice there's they show shadows like throughout this entire movie. Okay, yeah, there's like I want to say, there's like there could be more, but I counted ten of them where you you purposely see a shadow on the wall. Okay, okay from somebody. This movie opens up with one of those shadows of a shower moving across the ground, which is an homage to the opening credit sequence of the Battle wrath Own Shore like Holmes franchise. And that's why they did that.

46:04 That makes that makes less sense? Now, all right, did you catch that? Amber? I did? I was like, yep, all right, nice. I kind of wonder if that's how they got the Conan Doyle estate, like on Board was they saw what a love letter it was to the original stories and all of the adaptations, and they couldn't say no. Yep, speaking of love letters, this movie was critically acclaimed. I mean, they ate it up, Cisco Ebert everyone at the time, they're loving it, but it fails to find an audience at the box office. It earns nineteen million on a budget of eighteen million.

46:46 What happened? Guys? How do you? How do you account for this? Film's lack of success. What was it up against other than like Out of Africa, which kids are going to see. Here's the thing you, I'm going to solve the mystery for you. Amber. It opened against spies like Us, But. More importantly, it's competing with the movie released the previous week, which. Was Rocky four. Man Rocky that pulverizes everything in the box office. And then a week later, as it's trying to catch its breath, the Jewel of the Nile and Clue both come out. By the end, yeah, it had it never had a chance. By the end of the month, Young Shulock Calms is all but done, and you remember it's Victorian. It takes place at Christmas. You'd think there's hope for some small reprieve.

47:32 But last December twenty fifth saw the release of yet another big sequel, Howling. To Your Sister Is a Werewolf? Yeah no, I just I saw that. I was like, really, Howling two came out Christmas? See okay, Christmas Day? Okay, sure, no. It just bad timing, you know it was. It was just wedged right into some blockbuster sequels. And then while Spies like Us isn't a is it a sequel. Well, that's Chevy Chase and dan Aykroyd at the height of the. Right, at the height of the puppet. Right. Yeah. I still don't get how this didn't catch on though later on. I mean it's a fantastic I mean it has in a way, don't get me wrong, but it still kind of gets swept under the rug. People forget about it. And I don't understand that because you know all these powerhouses that are involved with this. You got Frank Marshall, you got Kathleen Kennedy, you got Steven Spielberg, you got Christopher Columbus, you have all of these people, and it is a really good story. It's got phenomenal to cinematography, it's got phenomenal performances by its actors. It's got everything going for it, the score, everything hits so well.

48:40 And it aggravates me to no end that this did not take off like it should have. I've never seen any any clips or heard any any clips from Spielberg about how he feels about this movie, because you know, he's famous Dave famously he will either turn on a movie like he did with Temple of Doom, or he'll embrace a movie if he knows it's truly good. I have to believe that he's he's a fan of this film, and he's you know, he'll champion it. But I've never heard him talk about this one never. I think it's too busy, you know, talking about guineas and Gremlins and you know, all this other stuff, and it doesn't really have like a platform where it can land, Like it's not going to be on Disney Plus or something like that.

49:23 I think this is just a situation where if you would have put this out maybe in September or October, away from some of the blockbusters, maybe maybe it gets popular, Maybe it gets a life. You you knock out two. Maybe three sequels with with this young cast, you know, and I think in an in another reality, they're all huge stars because of it. You know, it's funny we hear a film buy. We always talk, we always want to talk about movies that are underrated. This movie is the very definition underrated. I had that in a note later, Dave, but I think it's like you're reading my notes.

50:07 I can we agree. I think this is the most underrated film we've probably ever discussed. I would agree with that has to be yeah. Let's talk about some noteworthy scenes, maybe a pivotal moment. So I want to jump right into to a major one we talked earlier about, Uh, we talked about one franchise, Harry Potter, maybe barring a lot from this movie. I want to talk about a scene that is almost shot for shot right out of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, which is discovering the romy tep m hm.

50:48 Did you have to see it? Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, I. Hate Temple of Doom, so I'm not I'm gonna stay they stole from this movie. But well so all right, this came after Temple of Doom and it's it's such a shot for shot, you know, remake of that scene. I had some fun. I'd recently watched Temple of Doom. The show You Can't Be Serious podcasts had recently done The Goonies Versus Temple of Doom, which is was an awesome two parter go check those check them out if you if if you haven't done so already. But I had to. I had to have some fun with Jason Jason Colvin from you know him and d Graves they do they do the show so I called Jason.

51:34 I said, hey, man, we're we're doing a a movie. I know you're gonna love because it's from the mid eighties and he's a big eighties fan. He's like, what what do you got? I said, I'm gonna give you some hints. I was like, you got an iconic hero, his younger sidekick, and a fair, fair skin blonde who are caught up in an adventure and they make their way through this cavern and then they find themselves looking down on a bunch of religious psychos that are chanting and about to sacrifice a live person. And he's like, I say, hold on, let me give you one more hint.

52:16 It's produced by Kathleen Kennedy and Frank Marshall. And he's like, well, you're doing Temple of Doom. I said, of course not. He's like, yes you are. I said no, we're not, dude. I said, wait till you find out. But that scene, you know, David my Riot, is it almost a shot for shot? Yeah, you're not wrong. I mean we talked about this a while back and how it is almost dead on Temple of Doom right there, and how. About how about all these all the devotees when it's time for them to fight, what do they have? They have swords, just like the thuggee. So yeah, and you can't even mad at young Sholock Kolmzo because it's Spielberg.

53:00 Mm hmm. So Spielberg's just barring from Spielberg. You know. It's almost like they're like, hey, what do we do? And He's like, hey, guys, got a great idea, worked, it worked really well last year. Let's just let's just do it. They probably had the sets still still up. We'll just change out some of the the Indian stuff and we'll throw on some Egyptian ship and it'll it'll look good. I mean, well, I'll take your. Word for it, because I haven't seen Temple of Doom as many times as I'm sure you have. But I will say this, this is my favorite scene in the whole movie. I love like the slow build of it. I love Sherlock sneaking through the acolytes and he steals that guy's like the box thing off. Yeah, like just totally picks his pocket. And then like the reveal, like you're watching them wrap this girl in linen and she's vacant, glassy eyed, so you assume she's dead. They the paraffine on her, and the reveal that she's alive is just horrific.

54:05 Oh yeah, it's it becomes it's full on nightmare, I feel at that point, because it's these people weren't scary enough and the chant, the rommy tch chant. I should just go back to the chanting again. I mean tell you that puts you on edge. That chanting disturbs you so much, and in what is going on in front of you too just is disturbing. But that chant, oh my god, I. Mean, it just raises the stakes so much. And then at the end when they you know, do the key change and now it's Elizabeth, it's one, you know, the chopping block like you're. So stressed out or Dave, imagine a playlist that's that's the rommy tep chant with a thuggy chant. Tail anxiety going on.

54:50 Amber. You really you really don't remember that scene from Temple of Doom or you and you really don't like Temple Doom. Well I can't stand Temple of Doom, but I mean I remember remember kind of what you're talking about, because that's the part where they ripped the guy's heart out of his chest. It's disgusting, but I don't remember it enough to say with the confidence that you're exuding that it's a shot for shot. It makes me sad that you don't like Temple a Doom. It's not a good movie. I'm not sad about it. Yeah, well, do you know what to that, I say, I'll. Be watching the Guineas and enjoying myself. The Goomies are good enough. Another scene Amber alluded to this earlier. I just love it.

55:36 It's it's the ending with Holmes's profile and the carriage. We get the explanation of the deer stalker cap, the pipe, the coat. It's just a fantastic explanation of the character's famous look. There's there's so many other scenes too in this film that I really appreciate and I love so much. One of them is when Elizabeth is in the window and she does the I Love you and writes it backwards to him, and then towards the end of the film, after she's gone, he looks up to that window and just it's just it's it's it's heartbreaking, is what it is, and you know it could be and he has to stand there and just basically, you know, take it because he knows he lost the one love that he had.

56:20 And you know which in this you know universe of Charlock Holmes defines him. It's just as Christopher Columbus said in that quote that you gave. But that scene is just so heartbreaking, and I love it so much. I love the fact that one of the main characters was not safe. I love it when movies take that to an extreme and they you know, and they use it. I don't like it when you know this character is nothing's gonna happen to him. Come on, now, we know bad things happen, and it needs to happen sometimes. And I'm glad Christopher Columbus and and Levinson and all of them took it to that level, in that extreme here, because again it made Charlote Holmes who he is. Well, this movie is shocking in the regard that evil has to be punished, and it is. And you know that that Sherlock and Watson are gonna be fine because this is like their their origin story. And you just you blindly assume, you know you you you you naively assume that that Elizabeth is gonna be just fine too.

57:23 Why wouldn't she be exactly that I have to. Believe that was hard for I mean I remember thinking like, oh, she'll be okay, Holmes will save her. Yeah, but then she he doesn't. It's you You. See a side of homes that you never see. You see that human side where he has emotions. I mean, honestly, Holmes is almost like data he does from Star Trek. He doesn't have those emotions there, or he hides them so no one can see them because it would make him look weak. And another thing that love is the first time he cried because he loved Rupert. He really did he appear, Yeah, he respected him even and I love his laboratory by the way, freaking Rupert's laboratory. But when when he gets killed or he kills himself because of the hallucinations. But and he he goes to the funeral and really, you know, he can't be there because he could get in trouble, so he's in the background, stuff like that, and he's crying for the first I mean, you hear that narration from Watson again, so heartbreaking, But it just shows you homes in a different light that you don't normally see. And I thought, I another reason why I love this film so much.

58:30 Amber Harsh, I get it. They've expelled him from school, but he's not even allowed to attend the funeral, right. I mean, I mean. They don't miss a round at all. But you know that, like David was saying though, that just Holmes in Future Stories has such a dark side and you know, substance abuse problems that you know, and he has suffered trauma and you know all of that weighs on you in different ways, and so you know, this is just another layer into building you know who he eventually becomes. Yep, guys, let's uh, let's take one last break and when we come back, we'll start wrapping things up. Okay, Amber the Voice of Reason. Someone someone watches Young Shlock Holmes.

59:24 They absolutely love it, because they should, but they are completely unfamiliar with Barry Levinson. I'd like to know what three films would you suggest they watch? Well, this is kind of interesting because I haven't really seen anything he's done, like since the nineties, quite a few things since then, but I just haven't. I don't know, I just missed it. So mine are all older selections. Give me the first one, since. I can't do homicide b The first one is The Natural, which is my absolute favorite of his movies. I mean, it's baseball, it's Robert Redford, Like, my god, what more do you need?

1:00:08 It's Wilford Brimley, not in a swimming pool and cocoon, Dave, let's let's uh, let's go round Robin here, David, Does The Natural make your list? Absolutely? You know, it's it's amazing. And I don't know how hot this take is, but I'll say this. I'm not gonna say it's the best baseball movie. It's not. It's not. Hey, I don't know. Let me let me, let me, let me, let me finish here. It's not the best baseball movie, but it has the most famous baseball scene in any movie ever. I agree with you on that because when he hits that ball into the lights, the music, it's amazing, Dave. When we were playing Little League, how many how often did.

1:00:56 You like, when you know, rarely, when you had that night game, how often did you want to hit it into the light and watch that light explode? Every single time? Every single time? Right? Yeah, it's it's a fantastic movie, and it's one. It's it's probably it's definitely a top five Baseball film for sure. I mean we know their own is the best. Uh, we did not know that. Hey, look there's no a this is for this spins out of control Amber. What is your second suggestion for a Barry Levinson film?

1:01:37 Rainman? What a what a coincidence? Nineteen eighty eighth? Rain Man happens to be my second choice as well, Dave does? Does Rainman make your list? Ding? Ding ding? Yes? It does? Wow? Check this out? Are we a little biased because they shot a portion of it in Cincinnataha? No, it's an amazing film. Yeah, it's I think it's the best performance Tom ever gave. I would agree with that. Him and desthin hoffin we're just brilliant, Yes, brilliant. You're waiting. You're both said, you're both going on record saying this is the best Tom Cruise role. Yeah. Yeah, he's not playing Tom Cruise exactly. He's not. Well, all kinds of fighting going on here.

1:02:18 Let's let's move on. Maybe we move on. Are not afraid of you say safety in numbers happening on this episode? All right, let's put a pin in Tom Cruise for now. We'll have that conversation another. Time, because uh, I didn't expect that, Miss lewis your third choice? Uh, for someone to watch Barry Levinson film. Here's where I think we're gonna we're all gonna differ. What Morning Vietnam? All right? Good morning Vietnam? Problem Williams? Dave, you're nodding in agreement, as is this your third pick? Good Morning Vietnam? That's right, thank you.

1:03:00 I wanted to do it, but I have a cold n start coffee. An amazing film, it really is it. It's Robin Williams, so you know you're gonna just laugh your butt off. But then there's there's some heartbreaking moments in the movie. Yes, you know, I mean there has to be. It's a it's a movie about Vietnam. I mean, it's not gonna be all slapsticky and funny the whole time. But yeah, an amazing film. That was not my third choice. What is yours? Jeff, I'm curious, I'm going Uh, we didn't talk about this. We did it. We did a limited series for nineteen ninety six. This one. I wanted to get in there and was like, you know what, It'll never happen the way I wanted to, and I'll save it and we'll do a film by Barry Levinson.

1:03:48 We'll do this one and then we're here doing. Young Shlock Home. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna slide into the back pocket. We'll do it next time we do Levinson. I'm talking about Sleepers. Thank you? Wait, what do you mean? Hold on? Okay? Amber, you just hold on, David, you yuck. Also, I mean, I'm not a big fan of that movie. You're not a fan of Dustin Hoffman and Robert de Niro and Jason Patrick, and I mean, just amazing performances, and you know, basely it's it is the Count of Monte Cristo. Children being raped and beaten and attention center like. Amber, I say, that's it's a powerful movie. It's about redemption, it's about revenge. And it's Nope, you mean nope, nope.

1:04:28 You're gonna apparently this is against Jeff Show. I'll watch how about that? All right? I didn't expect you guys to I knew you guys were gonna go Good Morning Vietnam. Didn't I expect the backlash against Sleepers. I mean, when you're wrong, you're wrong. No, this is this is one of my favorite Dustin Hoffman roles too, where he's just a oh dufis that's trying to you know, he's like a little bit of an alcoholic and you can't get his you know, DeNiro is the priest over all these other films. Really this right, I like what I like. I won't apologize.

1:05:09 All right, Look, we all let's agree that we all love Young Sherlock Holmes. Yes, heck yeah, Amber final thoughts on Young Sherlock Holmes. I mean, what haven't we said. It's just an absolutely delightful movie that I think, you know, maybe we were lucky enough to watch because our family was fans of Sherlock Holmes and was like, oh, let's watch this, you know, fun take because we watched them all. But I think it's very accessible and it holds up over time. So I'm all for pitching this to the new generation. Absolutely, how about it, David?

1:05:50 I love and adore this film. The score, the cinematography, script, speci efects. I've mentioned it all. It is baffled me why it didn't become a huge hit. But yes, we need the younger generation to see this film because it deserves to be seen by everybody. Guys, is it fair to say that it's It lives in the neighborhood the same neighborhood as a Princess Bride. Where you want romance, you got it. You want action, adventure, you got it. You want thrills, you got it. You want some scary moments, you got it. You want some a little bit of laughter, some funny stuff. You got it. It kind of appeals to all the genres the way Princess Bride does in a.

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1:08:54 It comes from Wayne. Wayne is making his way in the. Door today hooks Today. Uh, why is it that certain lines from movies that really aren't that that funny? But they're hilarious when you repeat them. I laughed like an idiot. A couple of days ago. I was watching The Goonies mm hmm, and that line were at the beginning when uh, when when their mom comes home and she's like, what is that? And Chunk just goes, oh, ship, what.

1:09:38 I mean? It's not even the funniest that's that He's supposed to be the funny part of the movie. But yeah, hey, Wayne's here. Why the picture wouldn't come up? There? We go? Wayne? Any uh. Any any suggestions on what you want playing under you? Like, what's the you think the one? Either that one or use waxing Elizabeth. Is waxing Elizabeth the creepy chanting, the rommy tep chant. Yeah, that's it. That's I'm gonna I'm gonna put that. I'm putting that all over the episode. You know that