Bob Clark - Black Christmas

0:00 It is Christmas time, and we would be remiss if we weren't going to talk about a real Christmas classic today, So we're going to talk about a film by Bob Clark, his nineteen seventy four underrated horror classic Black Christmas.

0:43 Hello everyone, and welcome back to a film by podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson. Happy to be joined today by one of our favorite listeners, Amanda Janek. Amanda, how are you? I'm good? How are you? I am great? Listen? We gotta we got to talk a little bit about your origin story because I kind of knew you through Surely You Keep Me Serious Podcasts, which is an awesome podcast. How did you get the attention of Dean Jason over there? Well, I actually only discovered them about a year ago maybe, and I was one of my favorite bands is Alison Chains, and I was researching podcasts to listen about the history and stuff because once I get going on something, if you ask my husband, I get kind of obsessive about it. So I was listening to everything I could about Alison Chains.

1:33 I listened to an obscene amount of podcasts due to work and stuff, and that's how I found Surely You Can't be serious, and I have an offbeat sense of humor, kind of sarcastic, and I noticed that a lot of the memes that they post and stuff on their Facebook page kind of trend towar on the same type of humor that I have. So I would occasionally send them memes and stuff, and we got a dialogue going back and forth, and occasionally would make show reck on Theys to them, and I really desperately wanted them to cover my favorite band of all time, The Cure, that was completely out of their wheelhouse completely, But I was fortunate enough to see The Cure live in Minnesota back and I think it was June, and I just printed up a sign and held it up in public, just begging people to ask the Shirley you Can't Be Serious podcasts to cover The Cure Disintegration versus Depeche Mode, which is kind of funny because I'm not a huge Depeche Mode fan, but I thought it'd be a great matchup. And you know, once that went, you know, live on Facebook and hit the internet and stuff, they kind of couldn't say no to me when they when you shared that. When I saw that on their Facebook page, I remember talking to Jason, thinking, oh, you got to do this, you know that, right, And he was like, oh, it's happening. You wait and see it's happening. So you know, and you know, I was happy because first off, you did an excellent job on that episode with them. Oh thank you. You helped me rediscover a love for the cure.

3:00 Nothing makes my heart happier. Yeah, well except for horror films, right, because you are a bona fide fan of horror films. I'm a little ridiculous. And it's to clarify, it's not all horror. I'm not this horror you know, you know, blanketed horror fan here. I have a very special niche that I like. I'm a slasher girl. I don't get into the paranormal. I don't get into the haunted houses. Although I will say Haunting of Hillhouse I really liked that, but that was very outside of my wheelhouse, my box. I'm a slasher girl. I'm an edie slasher girl. I grew up with it. I started way too young. You know. My parents. My mom was a horror fan, and we would start out with like Dracula and Frankenstein and all that stuff, and that just grew with. I grew up outside of Chicago, so Spengali, you know, Spengholy excuse me, yeah, started with all that whatever, and that just kind of grew obsessed with Freddy Krueger when I was younger, that Greuno, my love of Jason, which still to this day lives on.

4:04 You know, I absolutely adore the eighty Slashers. There's something just I find comforting about them, and I think that's weird to a lot of people, but it's what I love. Don't give me a rom com I'm not a rom com girl. I'm a horror I'm a slasher girl, which makes you the ideal guest host for an episode like this. We're talking about Bob Clark, who, if you know the name, you immediately know this is the guy that wrote and directed one of the biggest Christmas movies of all time, A Christmas Story. You'll shoot your eye out, Ken, You'll shoot your eye out, kid. But what a lot of people don't realize is that before he's doing this wonderful Christmas film, he's doing a different kind of wonderful Christmas film. Nineteen seventy four, he does Black Christmas. Amanda. For the listeners, that don't know Black Christmas? Can you? Can you let them know? Like what is Black Christmas all about? So a brief synapsis of Black Christmas. As winter break begins, a group of sorority sisters, including Jess and the often inebriated Barb, begin to receive anonymous, lucidious phone calls. Initially, Barb eggs a caller on, but stops when he responds threateningly. Soon, Barb's friend Claire goes missing from the sorority house and a local adolescent girl is murdered, leading the girls to suspect a serial killers on the loose, but nobody realizes how near the culprit is. Thank you,

5:40 And I got to say right off the bat, I don't know if there are slasher films without this one. I think it might be fair. I think it's fair to say this might be This is probably the blueprint that Carpenter uses for Halloween, and you know Cunningham uses for Friday thirteenth. This is I mean, think about This is nineteen seventy four, So this is preceded only by the Texas Chancel massacre. You know a few months earlier in Psycho in nineteen sixty and Peeping Tom Peeping Time in nineteen sixty. Yeah, I forgot about Peeping Tom. Well that's what they you know, the even Carpenter gave credit to Peeping Tom for the POV shots that were showed in Yeah, and you know, I like you mentioned the POV shots. So this one opens with a POV shot of the killer spying on people inside a house before sneaking in to kill him. And you know it's four years later that Carpenter does that in Halloween. I do like the story and I'm sure I'm sure you know. This Being a horror of ficionado, Bob Clark allegedly revealed that his original follow up to Black Christmas was in fact going to be called a movie called Halloween, which he shares with John Carpenter, and then John Carpenter goes on and does it himself. Yep. Well, apparently Carpenter and asked Bob Clark if he was ever going to do a sequel to Black Christmas, and Bob Clark had no interest in that because apparently he had other projects to move on to. So he kind of shared with Carpenter his idea that you know, after the events of the original Halloween Michael Myers was captured, he

7:12 went to an institution, then escaped and stalked a bunch of girls, you know, in a sorority house, and they apparently had that conversation. Well, Bob Clark then ran with it. Somebody had asked Bob Clark, hey, do you feel like Carpenter ripped off your ideas? You guys had this conversation, you know, and a quote from Bob Clark, you know, a few words and an idea are hardly a screenplay in a finished movie. And I think that's just really really cool, really cool. That's a cool way that Yeah, I like that. You gotta wonder though, what he thinks. There's another trope that we see in Black Christmas where we've got a killer making menacing phone calls to young co eds, and we would see this done five years later in seventy nine when a stranger calls mm hmm. Again, this movie is like a blueprint. It's like all the greats that we're seeing in like the late seventies and early eighties, nineties, it kind of all stems back to Black Christmas in my opinion, absolutely, absolutely. There's a in the horror community kind of a statement that people make that Black Christmas walked so that Halloween and others could run. I love that. I absolutely love that. I'll tell you what else I love. Let's talk about this cast a little bit. Amanda. Margo Kidder plays Barb. So she takes this role because she loves the character and the idea that this character is very wild and very out of control. And man, I mean she's drinking, she's smoking, she's speaking her mind. I kind of feel like she's workshopping

8:45 Lewis Lane in this movie, even though she hasn't been offered Lewis Lane at this point. I mean, she's tough, right, What do you? What do you do? You? What do you think of Barb? I can't say anything about Superman because I'm not Yeah, well Verst you know, I didn't grow up Superman though, But I do know, obviously the character of Lewis Laane that Margot Ketner portrays and what I do remember of her from when I was younger and stuff. Yeah, i'd say maybe she kind of channeled that. All right, Well, you might not know Lois Lane all too well, but I gotta believe you know another famous Margo Kitder role. Talking about nineteen seventy nine, The Amityville Horror. Yes, I mean she's Margo Kidder. A lot of people know her as Lewis Lane, but I think a lot of us know her as a bona fide screen queen, a scream queen. Yeah, I guess I never considered her that, But yeah, I suppose once you take a couple of these roles in horror movies like that, you know Jamie Lee Curtis isn't the only screen queen. No.

9:37 No, I'd say Margo's in there, someone who you wouldn't think of as a screen queen because she does not like doing horror films, has always said they scared her. She had no interest in them until she took on this role. Let's talk about Olivia Hussey as the final Girl. Jin interesting that she would play a role like this because obviously she's famous for a role as Juliette in the sixty eight film adaptation of Romeo and Juliet. I think she's fantastic in this, though. You gotta wonder, like, how does she get hooked up with Bob Clark? Though, well, the bad story with that is and it's kind of an odd one. Apparently she had told a co producer that she had gone to see a psychic. I don't know if she was really into that or just did it this one time or whatever, but apparently the psychic told her that she was going to be in a movie that was produced and filmed in Canada and it would make a lot of money.

10:26 So, since Black Christmas was filmed in Toronto, she believed that this was the film that the psychic was telling her to make. That is some oddly specific advice to get from a from a psychic, I think, don't you know any more detail than that would probably be like someone telling you to go find your bike in the basement of the Alamo across country if you're pee wee Herman. Yeah, a psychic tells her to take this role. That's crazy. I'm glad. I'm glad the psychic did because she's fantasy. I am because then we got to hear her say it's him again, it's the Mona. She is not trying to hide her accident, is she? No, No, not at all. I'm fine with it, you know, I mean, it's it's college. Maybe she got a scholarship to come across the ponds, as they say over in England. Yep, who knows someone that you don't expect to see in this movie. And he does a great job, mind you, But here do la who he plays Peter, he plays the boyfriend that's a little unhinged at points. You know, obviously we're meant to see him as like a Red Herring, like is he the killer?

11:33 Is he not the killer? Right? He's a He gets this job because Bob Clark loves him in two thousand and one A Space Odyssey, when he played the main astronaut Dave. Oh, okay, yeah, So if you're wondering, like this guy, he looks a little too old to be playing a college student in Olivia Hussey's you know, boyfriend, But that's because he was thirty eight at the time and she's twenty two, right, And in the seventies, a lot of his actors, you know, were portraying people younger than them, you know, in those roles. And they just didn't have skincare back then either, so everybody just looked older. Here's not looking too bad, I'll mean, let's be fair, you know, he's he's looking good. He's not looking as good as Claire's boyfriend. And that first co no, no, that guy. That guy hadn't going on.

12:22 I'll tell you els who has it going on? One one one character actor that I always loved talking about John Saxon. He plays Lieutenant Fuller. I love him. Going back to like I said, when I was younger and I was getting into the slasher genre and stuff, I was originally a Freddy Kruger girl, you know, and John Saxon, you know, as lieutenant you know, what was his last what was that to the dad you kind of wanted like good looking, had authority, you know, just I loved him ever since I was little. He's fancy, and you know, I dig the fact that he shows back up and at marylm Street three Dream Warriors to reprise the role and kind of help kill Freddy. Yeah, it's amazing.

13:05 Though. Nineteen seventy four he's he's you know, Lieutenant Fuller, he's you know, he's handling the investigation in Black Christmas. And then ten years later in nineteen eighty four, he's Lieutenant Thompson right taking care of the investigation. Yep, he's awesome because I initially I always loved him. In Enter the Dragon, you know, he plays Bruce Lee's friend and he's awesome and entered the Dragon. I know it's probably not your cup of tea, but if you're a John Saxon fan, you got to check it out because he is super bowling it. But the first choice for that role in Black Christmas, right, yeah, so let's let's talk about this. He's he's he's Bob Clark's first choice. But there's some miscommunication and studio gets an Oscar winner they get Edmund. I think it's Edmund O'Brien. Yeah, but sadly he shows up the set. He's clearly too ill to perform. Yeah, and his Alzheimer's was really rare, and it's hot at that time Saxon. You know, Once they see that it's not going to work out with O'Brien, Clark calls Saxon, says, hey, you've got two days to get the Canada. Make it happen, and he does with authority because he's awesome in this movie. Yep, yep. And there Clark had said that if John Saxon could not make it, because the day he landed he had to start filming that day. If he couldn't make it within that two day time frame, they may have had to shut production down. See that that is loyalty to an actor. And I think that's really cool because after seeing this movie, I don't know, I don't know who you get in nineteen seventy four

14:39 that's going to do a better job and a more believable job too, because Saxon, you know, Amanda, you know this. You know horror films, when it comes to the police departments, either they are incompetent or they're showing up at the very last possible second, right and we're wondering who called him. But I love the fact that even though these girls are like doing their due diligence, they're reporting like, hey, we're getting some creepy phone calls our friends missing. Initially the police are like, ah, it's I'm sure she's fine, and kind of dismissive. You know, there's a little misogyny there, but it's it's John Saxon who takes commands like, hey, hold on, I want the file. Let's let's get into this. Let's find out so loving Saxon in this. Uh, let's talk a little bit about this background of this film. It's really I have a few other things about casting. Can we please we are DEFINITELYNN thought casting. Who do you got Phil Phyllis in the film? Okay, Gilda Radner was initially cast to play the role of Phil You're killing and Jean Gene Wilder's wife. Yep, he was originally supposed to play that role, but I had to back out last minute. And there's differing opinions on why that happened. Some people say she just decided that, you know, it wasn't the role for her and she didn't want to be typecast. Other people are saying she just started at Saturday Night Live in conflicts for that. So they found Andrea Martin for that role, and she's fantastic, just absolutely fantastic in this role. I just think that's really interesting because then you know, as you eventually go up to

16:11 the remakes and stuff, Andrew Martin is the only actor who was in the original to also appear in one of the remikes. Okay, yeah, because she's in the two thousand and six remake, she is. We'll get into that later. But Gilda Radner, Yeah, I'm gonna agree with you. I think Andrew Martin is the right way to go because I think I think Gilda Radner, who was an incredibly talent actress. Maybe the movie gets a little too too much comedic flair, right point right, you already have one over the top personality with Margol Kidder's character. I feel like Gilda Radner. It would have been an interesting balance. Yeah, I agree with that. Who else you got? What else you got for me? Okay, So the role of Missus Mack the house mother, the alcoholic house mother, that's hide boom her. I love her, like, maybe next time, if you're gonna store booze in the toilet, put it back. I mean, just a little friendly advice there. That's creepy. But originally was offered to Betty Davis, Betty Davis, Ben Davis, and she flat out turned it down. No thank you, hard stop, no thanks. This would have been this would have been after a baby Jane, right, I think yep.

17:22 So maybe she just didn't want to do another scary movie. But probably Missus matt played Betty Davis. Those actresses at the time, you know, we're falling out a favor and stuff and falling into a lot of tropes and stuff. You look at Joan Crawford and some of the movies she took on and stuff too, and I think she just maybe didn't. I don't know what's pure speculation, but yeah, flat out turned them down. You know. The thing? The thing with that is if Betty Davis takes that role and I under and understandably, you know, missus Mac obviously gets gets killed as well, But I would I would almost consider her like another Red Herring character, Like is she the killer? Because Betty Davis walking around looking all menacing like Baby Jane style. Yeah yeah, speaking booze out of library books and toilet tanks. Yeah, I absolutely love it. Let's talk about how this movie gets made. So Rory Moore originally writes the script. He says he's inspired by the nineteen forty three Westmount murder. Do you know about this one, Amanda? This murder? No tell me about it? Fourteen year old George Webster bludgeoned his mother to death with a baseball bat, and then proceeded to do the same to his brother, sister, and a family friend.

18:36 All three of them is the saint serious head trauma, but they survived. Webster was deemed criminally insane and sent to live the reminder of his days in a mental hospital. So that is where he gets the idea that and obviously, you know, this story obviously takes inspiration from the urban legend about the babysitter and the man upstairs, which again you know when a stranger calls, so you know, but you know, And the script's called stop Me. And this is based off of the messages that are being left from another serial killer named William William Hyron's do you know about the lipstick killer? No, yeah, lipstick killer. He was famous. He killed several women and he was He was known for leaving messages at the crime scene written in their lipstick, basically telling the police you have to catch me. I can't stop.

19:32 I can't help myself. So my goodness. So that's where we get Stopped Me. But Bob Clark is not a fan of that title. He decides on Black Christmas to poke fun at the popular Christmas song White Christmas and to play upon the irony of a dark event occurring during an otherwise festive time Black Christmas. Okay, so we've got Black Christmas, We've got Stop Me. We've got one more title, which I know we'll get to here in a minute. But uh, your thoughts stop me, your Black Christmas? What do you what are you heading to theaters Christmas? I love the juxtaposition between White Christmas and Black Christmas, even though White Christmas isn't the most uplifting movie either, you know, but no Black Christmas all the way. Yeah.

20:18 Well, the third title this movie gets, I'm sure you've probably heard yep, Silent Night, Evil Night. Silent Night, Evil Night obviously has nothing to do with Silent Night, deadly Night. This is, yeah, not to be confused with another one of my favorites at Christmas themed, that Massacre movies. Yeah, not to be confused with another Christmas slasher film featuring a killer named Billy. But Silent Night, Evil Night. There is such a weird reason why Warner Brothers goes with this title though, because he delivers Black Christmas and they say, Nope, not doing it. And it's because they're afraid that audiences are going to be misled into thinking that it's a black supportation movie, correct, like like Blackula or you know a lot of the Pam Pam Greer films. That's ridiculous as far as I'm concertain, But I mean, it's it's seventy four, so maybe they got there onto something.

21:18 I don't know. I think at the time frame they were on something, you know, a concern that not a concern, that's not the right word, but what people led to think the movie would be about. Yeah, but Silent Night, Evil Night, Like I it's terrible. That is an awful name. Black Christmas definitely the way to go, Amanda. This thing is released theatrically three times, Okay, so he shoots the picture. They released it in October of nineteen seventy four in Canada. Now this is perfect because tell me, like, are you just bothered by the fact that we get great horror films but they release them in like June and July and February, Like, shouldn't horror movies come out in like say, mid September so they can run through September and like most of October. It's ridiculous. It always boggles my mind, absolutely boggles my mind when they do things like that.

22:18 I think it was each two old maybe from the Halloween franchise that was released in August. Yeah, and it's literally a Halloween movie. It makes no sense. We were we did. We did a review of a film called Last Voyage of the Demeter, which came out this year about the the the infamous ship that Dracula takes over to America. It's awesome, and no one went and saw it because it came out in like I think, July, okay, and it would have made a killing if it just they just would have released it at the right time in fall. I don't know why studios do this, but I don't know. One of the one of the remakes of Black Christmas came out either the day before or the or Christmas Day.

23:00 See, I don't get it. I just he got you got the month right? Yeah, okay, but I don't think after anybody has done eating their ham and opening presents that they're gonna go see Black Christmas. Likely not. It's very weird. I don't get I don't get it. So they bring it out the right month October in nineteen seventy four in Canada. Does it has a good run? And then Warner Brothers releases it in December in the US, and again they're probably thinking, like, hey, it's Christmas movie, Christmas time, we'll get some people. The only the only thing they didn't count on was the fact that they released it against The Godfather Part two and The Man with the Golden Gun, So it got slip.

23:42 Seriously. Yeah, Black Christmas is going up against Yeah, Black Christmas is going up against the Godfather and James Bond, and there's no chance that it's gonna make it. So why not leave it Billy versus the Godfather? Yeah exactly, Yeah, I mean Billy the Corleones. Yeah, yeah, I know what you're gonna go see. But the rest of the United States they had a different idea. But so, hell, let's try it. Let's try it one more time. So now it's the following year. It's August in nineteen seventy five and Los Angeles and they say, hey, we're going to release this because nothing says Christmas, you know, Slasher films at Christmas.

24:25 Then the month of August. You know. So again I don't get it, but you know, it does have enough popularity. It kind of hangs on throughout the rest of the year and it ends its run fittingly. It ends its run. It's theatrical run in December. I think the only thing stranger than the release date strategy for the theaters is the controversy over the television premiere. I'm guessing you know a little bit about this one, right, Yes, I do, so It's scheduled to premiere on NBC's Saturday Night at the Movies on January twenty eight, nineteen seventy eight. And a man correct me if I'm wrong, But it has another name change, right, Yes, it does. At that point in time, they changed the name to Stranger in the House Stranger in the House, which also it's fitting.

25:12 But I mean, come on, we're sticking with Black Christmas. I think, yeah. But a few days before this happens, the governor of Florida calls the president of NBC asking him not to do it on the grounds of good taste. Now I get it, it's a horror film around Christmas, but come on, good taste. Well, it goes deeper than that, because two weeks prior, an all too similar situation happened at the Kyomega sorority house on campus at Florida State University, where a man sneaks in, murders two women while they slept, and then tries to murder two others, who thankfully survived. This is right out of the movie as far as I'm concerned.

25:52 But Amanda, you want to tell us who that individual was that did this. That was Ted Bundy, serial killer Ted Bundy living out Black Christmas. That is really creepy as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely chilling. Now, yeah, it's definitely chilling. And you got to hand it to NBC. Now, they do. They do offer the affiliates in Florida an option. They say, hey, look, you can play Black Christmas or you can play Doc Savage. Your call, and I think a lot of them went with Doc Savage. But I think that's the right thing to do in this city, given this situation, I'd say that absolutely. I'll tell you what, Let's take a quick break and when we come back, we will talk. Pivotal scenes in Bob Clark. Okay, Jason's test of our friendship?

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27:25 For example, do you know the actor that was in Star Wars, Batman eighty nine and Raiders of the Lost Ark, Yeah, sure is Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford wasn't in Batman? Oh yeah, Billy d Williams. Billy D Williams was not in Raiders of the Lost Dark. Who was it? Well, you've got to tune in to the Sureley you Can't Be Serious Podcast. When we discussed Raiders of the Lost Dark versus Back to the Future to find out the answer, we are back. We are talking with Amanda Janek about Black Christmas. Amanda, Yes, it's a slasher film, but I think there's a pivotal scene here there. But I'll tell you what. I'm gonna give you the op give me what you think is a pivotal moment in this movie, or give me a memorable murder. Okay, So when you say pivotal, Jeff, how would you describe pivotal Like I would say necessary to the film's story, or necessary to the development of the plot or the characters, but not necessarily like the climactic moment or the moment you're gonna see in the trailer. Right. Sure, I feel like a lot of people would say the eyeball scene because it's so creepy and so unnerving. But by the definition that you've just given me a pivotal it doesn't it doesn't fit that, and that wouldn't be what I would describe as a pivotal scene.

28:47 Anyways, It's the most probably the most memorable, okay, the most pivotal scene, one hundred percent. And I just don't know how, but hey can argue this, but maybe you will. Claire's death. Without Claire's death right in the beginning, none of this happens because we don't just have a slasher movie, a nameless, faceless killer walking through the house stocking these girls, killing them. We also have a you know, a procedural drama. We have a you know, police case unfolding before our eyes. We have a drama. We've got all this and it all hinges on Claire's death. We have her dad coming into the picture, which, okay, let's also talk about this for a second. Her dad in the film was fifty years old. This is what I'm talking about, skincare and taking care of yourself.

29:37 He was fifty years old death. I am forty six. Okay, Like, I don't feel like that man looks four years older than me. And maybe I'm just being you know, boastful missus Max too, she was only fifty Wow, No way, right, right, eat your vegetable. It's your vegetable, kid, Okay, like take your vitamins. But no, anyways, Claire's without that, we have none of this. If we skipped Claire's death and we just went to the other sisters and stuff, we don't have our dad. We don't have John Saxon investigating stuff. I mean, the whole movie, even though Claire is in it only for the first what four minutes before she gets you know, strangled with the bag. We don't have the rest of the movie. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I'm glad you said Claire because I had for the pivotal scene I'm talking about Claire, uh you know. And then I was like, you know what, she's gonna She's probably gonna pick that. So I was like, you know what, I'll go memorable murder. But for me, the most memorable murder is Claire. It's and it's not it's not over the top gore. It's not really discussing. It's a simple suffocation with like a plastic piece of plastic.

30:45 But there's no gore in this movie really to speak of. There is. I mean, and the actor who played Claire, actually, I don't know if you know this, but she was, when she was younger, a professional swimmer. And all the scenes they have of her with the bag around her, with the actual intake of the bag into her mouth, and that's actually her just holding her breath. Oh wow, Okay, because see that that look of terror that's frozen on her face is one of the scariest things I've seen in the horror film. And think about this, this is this is on the poster, this is on the box, you know, the VHS for the DVD for the Blu Ray. It's it's famous, you know, yep, and her just rocking back and forth. It's it's not that we see at one time. We go we we kind of revisit this moment several times throughout the movie. We start the movie, we end the movie with it, Yes, bookend. Yeah, it's terrible and I'm just sitting everyone. Look can lead to a discussion about as much as we love John Saxon and we got some shoddy police work going on here. But you know, well she's right there in the window. But yeah, she's a professional swimmer and just holding her breath. That's amazing. And uh, because I'm sitting here watching, like, look, I know the I know the effects in seventy four, the makeup isn't that good that that's just a dummy, that's a real person. The fact that she can hold that look and she can keep her eyes open like that and be still, Yep, that's off to her. Can you imagine this movie if we had Tom Savini the effects? Oh gosh, I met him a couple of weeks ago. He

32:15 is no, he is he is the kindest, He is the most awesome guy. You'll you'll talk to sign I'm signing off the podcast now. Well listen, next next time we meet, we'll we'll we'll invite you, We'll we'll take you with us. He's he was cool. But yeah, that's definitely for me. That's that's the moment. And uh, I want to say some you know, just just before we move on Claire's dad. You know the comment you made about how he looks. I'm watching this. I'm rewatching this and it's been like decades since I've seen it. Probably Okay, as soon as I see the dad show up, I'm immediately reminded, Uh, did you ever see Stephen King Silver Bullet? Oh my gosh, I loved Sober Bullet when I was older. Awesome movie. Right, Okay, So, uh, Corey Haym's friend that gets murdered, Grady his dad has that famous line, you know, private Justice. He looks just like this guy. He does no thin, bald, gray hair, business suit, clearly way too old to be the father of a young child. I get, I get, I totally you what you're saying, Like, I look at this guy, I'm like, this is not Claire's dad, right, or this is Claire's stepdad because her mom married an older guy. I don't know, but uh, all right, well we'll stop picking on him.

33:36 Oh I'm not picking on him at all. I mean I say that to myself. I said that I found him very endearing, Like you could just tell the inks he had in his heart. You know that he couldn't find his daughter. And when they're at the park and they find that young girl and he's so scared, it's going to be clear, and you can just that, you know, a good moment. It's it's all off, but you know that. I also chuckle the relief he has on his face when they realize it's not his daughter, but it's a thirteen year old girl, not related to him. But he's like, WHOA, Yeah, don't worry, not you, not your college a's daughter. It's it's a young girl. Okay, it's fine, We're good. I mean, let's talk a little bit about Bob Clark. There's not a whole lot to know about this guy, but here's what I'll tell you. Benjamin Robert Clark was born in August of nineteen thirty nine. He grows up in Alabama, moves to Fort Lauderdale, and would end up in Michigan on a football scholarship, playing quarterback for Hillsdale College. He then studies theater at the University of Miami. And here's what will blow your mind. He turns down several offers to play pro football in the NFL so that he can pursue a career in film. Seriously, that's unbelievable, right, fascinating Think about that fascinating football scholarship. You're a quarterback, the NFL is calling, and you're like, I think I'm gonna try this this movie business out. And it's not like he had like an en you know, he's legitimately gonna you know, he's gonna hustle on

35:07 grind and make his way into into movie. So wow, I thought that was really cool. That is very interesting. You want to talk about his filmography because he I gotta tell you, he's all over the map. Mm hmm. Okay, so let's uh, I gotta tell you. Like. He does a short film I've never seen it, never heard of it in nineteen sixty six called The Emperor's New Clothes, which I'm assuming is based off the classic story. Okay, does a weird film in sixty seven called She Man, which didn't get a lot of uh press, But here's one. I've seen this. I'm hoping you've seen this. His first horror film, nineteen seventy two, Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things, with Jed saying have you seen this? I haven't seen that movie and probably oh forty years he wrote it, he directed it, he produced it. Get out. I'm writing it down right now. Yeah, no, I need to revisit.

36:08 Yeah, this is one of those low budget zombie movies. I remember like when the Mama Pop store Mama Pop video stores were everywhere on the corners, and you were going in just like I don't know about you, but I was just grabbing any box that looked looked cool and like or had a cool name. And when I found Children Should Play with Dead Things at five Star Video, I was like, oh, I'm written this. It doesn't That's how I ended up renting three on a meat Hawk because he's just like boh and run like whatever you could find. But that's so crazy, because oh, you just sparked a big memory for me. That's really this is insane to me right now. My mom and I used to go to the video store. We drove my dad nuts when we were younger, because we would go to Palmer Video. And then when Palmer was shut down, Palmer Video in Arlington Heights. Oh no, when that was shut down, we go to Blackbuster. But when we were at Palmer, we would just every Saturday go and grab three or four VHS's whatever, and my mom picked out children shouldn't play with dad things. Wait your mom picked it out. You didn't.

37:13 You didn't have to beg mom it. No, that's awesome. No, I can't tell you a single thing about the movie. I don't remember watching the movie. I don't remember any of that. I just remember that moment in my life going, my mom kind of kicks ass. This is pretty cool. That is that's very cool. Let's take a quick break, sparked them. I'm kind of my mind's kind of bo right now. Wow, awesome. Well r I P Laura and I have to I have to wonder, is this is this maybe like this is how you get to introduced into scary movies? Maybe? Is it? Mom? That's that kind of introduces you to this because the Saturday mornings, you know, watching like I said, Dracula, Frankenstein, The Mummy, all this stuff and graduating to you know, Spengouli and all this and then and oh the holy grill of everything Usa off all night you know with Bler godber God, you know who every other week would play Dawn of the Dad. You know, like yes, yeah, it goes way back, way back. Yeah, all right, now, you know, two years later he's doing Black Christmas. We've been talking about that a year later. Now. He doesn't write this movie, he doesn't direct this movie. This is a bit of a cheat, but I gotta, I gotta call this one out. He's an executive producer on a movie called moon Runners. It's this Canadian movie about moonshiners and ultimately will become the basis for a show you probably do know a little bit about

38:46 because we all did the Dukes of Hazzard. They take they take moon Runners turn it into a TV show called Dukes of Hazzard where he's one of the one of the main writers. So huh how crazy is that? Very cool? Uh? Again? Like wait, like we said, his his his pimography. He's like kind of all over the map. He you know, does a movie called Breaking Point in seventy six Murdered by Decree in seventy nine, which is a Sherlock Holmes movie tribute in nineteen eighty but makes it big when in nineteen eighty one he writes, directs, produces what many would say is the the godfather, you know of all teen sex comedies. Right, he does Porky's. Yes, it does. I think the guy that gave us a Christmas story is also the same guy that gave us Porky's. Let that well, they both let that for a minute. They both feature a hole in the wall to spy on people. So, oh boy, they do as we think it is. That's interesting, that's interesting. Yeah, Porky's. I don't know, I don't know what you can't say. Here's what I will say. I don't think Porky's is getting made in today's today's world. Oh god, not a chance, chance, no chance, right, not a chance for its time. Oh, here's what's a little.

40:16 Here's what's a little concerning though, Porky's was like a lifelong dream of his to do, and he actually a lot that you see in Porky's is based off of things that happened in his childhood. Like I see a young guy growing up, so he never he never really you know, zeroed in on what was real and what wasn't. But again, the fact that this guy's life is turned into Porky's is that says something about Bob Clark. I think that's so funny. Obviously it explodes in popularity. So we get Porky's Two the next day, which he also writes, directs, and produces, and it's at this time the studio is like, hey, let's keep going Porky's three, and he says, absolutely not not doing it. Well, they wanted him to do a sequel to Black Christmas, and he's like, I'm not interested in doing sequels. Yeah, but then he does Porky's and they were like, hey, I about Porky's too. He's like, yeah, I'm on I'm on board. Well, you know money, I think money talks at this point. But thankfully he turns Porky's Three down because he wants to do a little Christmas movie about a young boy obsessing over a red rider beby Gun and nineteen eighty three we get a Christmas story, Yes we do.

41:31 How uh is this is this on your list? Your You're a Christmas movie list everywhere? Right, always, always, And it's like it's funny because especially like people of our generation or are you know, roughly our age or whatever. There's not a lot we can identify with the period, the time of which it takes place. You know, no, no, there's nothing majestic about it. And still that childhood longing for that one gift, that one thing you remember from when you were younger, you know, be it, you know, for my age, be it a cabbage patch kid or you know, a game Boy or whatever the hot toy was at the time. It's just you spent all year thinking about, this is the only thing I want. I hope Santa brings it or home my parents give it to me. They nailed that whole esthetic in that movie so so much that it didn't even matter that I couldn't identify with the nineteen forties, I couldn't identify with the depression era. I couldn't identify with you know, my dad tinkering with the furnace. You know, it can identify with the bumpuses next door, that's you know, but it just it transcended age gap, it transcended generation everything. It's just it's just a fantastic movie, just fantastic.

42:46 Yeah, because and you're you're right on, You're right on with it. It's it's not that you see this time period and go oh yeah I remember that or I know what that's like. But Ralphie wonting this one thing we all had that. Yeah, yeah, I'll have to say, uh forever, thank you to my mom who made the Nintendo, the original Nintendo entertainment system. She made that happen for us. And this was this was at a time when there was no internet, there was no phone sales. My poor mother drove out of state to get that thing, you know, not knowing, not knowing if she'd succeed or not. Sony Connie. So eternally grateful to Connie for you know, Connie, you were a great Christmas.

43:31 I'll never forget that. That's amazing. One thing. One thing I will forget, or I try to forget. Nineteen eighty four, he does the movie called Ryanstone. Have you seen this one? Unfamiliar? Sorry? Oh, I want to say you're one of the lucky ones in but I was. I kind of want you to experience the awfulness this is. This is Dolly Parton and Sylvester Stallone in a singing cow boy movie. Yeah I love me, but listen, Dolly Parton is a magical, magical individual, but not even not even she can can save can save this movie. It's I mean, it just is it bad? Or is it so bad it's good.

44:19 That's an interesting comment. I want to say, it's it's just so it's so bad that it's bad. But I don't know. Maybe maybe if you're not that I'm condoning this to our listeners. But if you're, if you're under the influence of something, maybe maybe you do like Laurent Stone. I don't know, but uh, I think I would have to be drinking something or smoking something if I was gonna watch I've got it written down. I'm gonna talk it out. One you should check out a year later in nineteen eighty five if you haven't seen it. And uh, this one it didn't do well at the box office, you know, kind of bombed, but I think it's just a really cool movie. It's called do you ever see that one? It's fantastic. Uh. Timothy Hutton, Kim Cattrall, ring a Bell the Kid. Okay, so Timothy, I know both the actor and the actresses, so he's kind of yeah, absolutely, And she's kind of like Bob Clark's mused anybody. She's in Porky's She's in Turk one two. So he's he's you know, he he calls her up off and when he's got a movie, it's this. It's kind of a it's kind of comedy, but it's also kind of a drama. Uh. Timothy Hutton's older brother who's played by Robert Yerick. He's a firefighter who is off duty.

45:36 He's at a pub building catches on fire. He goes in to save a little girl. He gets horrifically injured in the process of doing this, so like the city won't pay for his medical bills or his or anything. Was like, oh, well, he was drunk. He was he was off duty and he was drunk even though he's a hero. Okay, So Timothy Hutton, to get the mayor's attention, starts doing this really creative graffiti all over town and he's spray pa. He's spray painting Turk one E two, which that's his brother's nickname and his his uh, his badge number for the fire department. Okay, and it just kind of spik like Kim Catrall's you know, she's kind of playing the same character she played in Big Trouble Little China where she's trying to investigate, but also she's fallen for Timothy Hutton and she's trying to stop him and save him, and it just and it just keeps escalating, like the what he does to like get the mayor's attention, and and you know, the city's like behind their rooting for him because he's doing all this crazy stuff. I don't know, it's pretty cool.

46:35 Interesting. It's one of those. It's one of those like Showtime played it, like, you know, three or four times a day, Monday through Friday, So it's one of those like I just would watch it all the time, you know, interesting, interesting, check it out. I think I think you would like that one. Well. I liked Timmothy hot And a lot, and I actually forgot how much I liked him because circling back to the beginning of the episode Haunting at Hillhouse, he was in there. I watched watch that series. I loved it. I'm a big fan of Mike Flanagan, anything he does. I watched half that season before I realized that was tim Timothy Hotton. Really yeah, okay, half of it all right? Put put turkway to on your on your on your homework list, because if you liked, you're gonna like it. Yeah, Ryan Stone, when you just want to, you know, have something ridiculous, I guess I don't know. Eighty seven he does from the Hip. Not sure about that one. Uh. Nineteen ninety he does Loose Cannons, which this one should have been really good because it's it's Gene Hackman and Danny dan Aykroyd.

47:37 Okay, kind of like one of those buddy cop movies where one I'm a serious guy and one's a goofball and it just wasn't that good. Okay, I'm being I'm being fair, but I'm being firm when I say that. I guess talk. Well, now let's go, let's go back to your favorite genre. Nineteen ninety one, he does this really kick ass movie called Popcorn. Have you seen this one? Yeah? Not a fan of popcorn. I don't know. I've tried. I tried. I I haven't seen it since it first came out, and maybe I'm remembering it wrong or maybe like younger, J just really feel like I should like. But I think it suffers from a lot of movies did at that time, where you know how the first year or two of a new decade. Still are the previous decade, oh yeah, but trying to figure themselves out to go into the new decade. I remember the last time I tried to watch Popcorn was probably maybe like three years ago, and had that syndrome to it or it didn't know. I felt like it didn't quite know where it fitted. It still wanted to be an eighties slasher, but it wanted to be something different.

48:43 I might have to revisit though, Yeah, I mean, and to be fair, it's not his direction. He's he's an executive producers. And I had to sneak it in because it's it's a scary movie, you know, and you're you again, You're right, it's it's nineteen ninety one, so it's trying to be new, but it's also there's a lot of eighties tropes from horror films in it. But I'm not gonna lie. You know. It takes place at an all night movie like movie marathon, which I thought was cool. And Dee Wallace is in it. You know, she's everything. She's the nineteen eighties. She's the world's best mom nineteen eighties. Yeah, you know, Yeah, so's everybody's mom. Yeah, and she's also I'm not don't don't get up and walk away in anger. But she is one of the sweetest women you ever meet. The dad got to meet her.

49:27 Dee Wallace, you know, great hugs. Give me give me the nickname baby Cakes, which I will own because Dee Wallace. That next thing you're gonna tell me you met Keane Hotter, And then I'm just signing off again. We met Kane Hotter three weeks ago. He's awesome, by the way, real quick, real quick, Kanehunter story. You know. We talked to him, had some you know, took some pictures with him at his table. But then I had I had to do a photo op, like a real photo op with him. I walked back there and I'm like, listen, He's like you again, So yeah, I said, well, you know, let's do a real one. I said, uh, would you mind? Like can you can you strangle me? And he goes, I'm not allowed to do that anymore. I'm like, oh really, and then he looks at me deadpan, like no smile. He goes, how about if I punch in the face? And I go sure, thinking like I'm about to post for this photo. I'm like, I don't know if he's kidding or not, but he's posing. He posed, he decides to pose, he jams his fist up against my jaw with enough force, Like I'm sitting there going this hurts, like but but it's but it's super cool because it's Kane Hotter. Like Kane Harter's fist is hurting my face right now. So I'm I'm totally okay with that. Yeah, he wonderful guy.

50:40 Though. Oh that's so cool. Yeah, he was super cool. Love, but I'm like ninety happy for you, only ten percent jobless. Okay, Well, well I'll stop talking about who we've met then, but you know, you just you keep dropping these names. I'm like, what we Okay, I met Michael McDonald, the Michael McDonald. Yeah, do be brothers fan? Yeah, okay, okay, so we're getting somewhere now, all right, So it's kind of the same, right, it's kind of the same. Yeah, shine sweet Freedom and came home. I'm with you, all right. Nineteen ninety four. Did you happen to see Bob Clark's follow up to a Christmas story called My Summer Story? Years and years ago? I remember I did not like it. I gotta be I gotta be honest. Never saw it. It just I never associated it as the sequel to a Christmas story because you know, enough times passed, none of the same people are in it. You know, you don't have that great narrator, right, I don't know, but you're saying thumbs down, not great. All right, we'll move on then. I'd like to say we're gonna move on to something great. But nineteen ninety he takes some time offnineteen ninety nine he does. He just Baby Geniuses, he does, he does.

52:06 It was just come back. Uh sure, I guess we you know if you say so, okay, well look it's it's got Kim Kim Control's back and Christopher Lloyd's in it. So yikes, yeah, I'm yeah, I'm not going I'm not going back to that one. I'm certainly not trying out super Babies Baby Geniuses two in two thousand and four. Oh my god, that that, sadly is the last thing that he directs. So rip yeah. Now, yeah, we typically we like to talk about like what we'd like to see next, But as you said, sadly he did pass away. In two thousand and seven, drunk driver killed him and his son, which is absolutely tragic. But let's talk about the whether or not we recommend his other excellent Christmas film, Black Christmas. Amanda, your thoughts do you recommend this one? Yes? One hundred percent percent? Is this a perfect movie? No, it's not a perfect movie, And then there's very few movies out there that are perfect. You know, you can point to the glaring plat holes, the you know, the cops who just leave, just leave Olivia Hussey's character there, but the dad faints and they rush into the hospital. You know, poor Claire, Claire, Claire baby is just

53:38 sitting in the attic for all there too. Yeah, but like Claire's in the window. Yeah, right there, there's cops standing on the sidewalk. Sorry I'm getting a little loud, but it's very upsetting to me. But there's cops standing on the sidewik that can just look up and go there's Claire. You know, why is somebody in the attic? She is a window dressing at this point? Absolutely absolutely, you know, it's it's just not a perfect movie. There's a lot of things wrong with it, but it did so many innovative things, absolutely innovative things. You know, we talked about the casts and stuff, but you talk about you know, the guy who did the voice of it, you know, did different things. He actually did some of his voice work upside down to make Yeah. Yeah, him and Bob Clark are just doing all kinds of weird stuff to get this voice on the phone, right yep. And the sound design, you know, the guy who did the score and the music, you know, put forks and knives on the piano so that when they would play these different notes, there was weird tingy sounds behind it and stuff. They're just playing with all these different facets of film and sound and stuff. The steady camp wasn't invented yet, you know, but we get this POV. They literally strapped a camera to the actor's shoulder. Everything you saw was first person, so we had both hands free and stuff. You know. You know again, you know the cops, you know, just the ineptitude there. It's not

55:10 a perfect movie, but when you sit back and you watch it, it is, Jeff and I am not saying this lightly, one of the most disturbing movies I have ever seen in my life. My son is eighteen years old, technically an adult, you know, like he shares my love of some of these weird movies and stuff. I will not, even though he's an adult, sit down and watch this movie with him. The content of those phone calls, even when I'm by myself. Oh, I have a very hard time listening to what this character, you know, in quotes Billy is saying. It's disturbing, it's awful, it's unhinged. You know, this is coming from somebody that you really need to fear. You know, in the beginning, that first phone call that we hear, and Margot Kidder, you know, gets all up in her sass, you know, when she's talking to him, and you know, if firing back at him, thinking he's gonna relent, and he stops talking in that creepy voice and just goes, I'm going to kill you. Yeah, in a perfectly normal voice, chills up and down. I am well versed in horror, very well versed. This is one movie, Jeff, that I have a very hard time sitting through by myself or with anybody else. It's very uncomfortable. It's not perfect, but damn is this movie effective. So yes, I totally recommend people see it. You'll probably only watch it once if this isn't your thing from Shirley, you know the Shirley Podcast, isn't I gonna like this

56:44 movie? Dee will definitely not like this. Jason Jason hears this episode, He's like, all right, I'm watching it mcause. Yeah, Jason, Jason will be giving us a reaction here after he hears this and he sees it, He'll he'll hit us both. I think I agree with you. This is a must watch for any fan of Slasher's, any fan of horror. And let's not forget this movie. Yeah, it laid the groundwork. You know, I love what you said. This This movie walks so that Halloween could run. But think about this, this is the very first film we get in what's called the seasonal slasher like it's you know, the subgenre in a subgenre, because you know, let's just run through these movies.

57:28 After Black Christmas we get We're gonna get Halloween, Friday, thirteenth, prom Night, Mother's Day, Graduation Day, my bloody Valentine, Silent Night, Deadly Night, which we referenced, and one of my favorites from nineteen eighty six, April Fool's Day. This movie, this movie kicks off this movie kicks off the whole killer during a holiday situation. Yeah, I love it. I love it for that, Absolutely love it for that. Yep. Do you want one more interesting fact here? Because absolutely? Okay. So what I think is very interesting in settling for most people in this movie is we know nothing about the killer nothing, thank you. Okay. There's no resolution. That's what makes it even more upsetting at the end. There is no conclusion to this, like, no conclusion whatsoever. We have no idea who he is, we have no backstory, we haven't you know nothing.

58:22 Bob Clark refuted that, and he said, absolutely there's a backstory. Now, grant, he doesn't tell the backstory in the movie, so this is on the sidelines. We have to go with what we see on film. But according to Bob Clark, Billy's backstory is that Billy is abusive and abused by his little sister and was abused himself and probably killed his parents, probably locked her up in the basement for five or six years, and I think she escaped. And Billy doesn't like girls, and it turns out Agnes doesn't like boys. Yeah, it's it's one of those movies where you're not gonna get like this exposition dump on you and here's this terrible backstory, or here's here's the killer's motivation. This is this is Psycho, this is Halloween.

59:12 It's it's happening and we don't know. Why do you think that Jess Olivia Hussey's character. Do you think she's alive or dead at the end. That's a great question because this is one of the greatest ambiguous innings to a horror movie. I want to say yes and here's why, okay, or I'm gonna go with yes, she's alive because do you know about Bob Clark's idea that he had right before he passed away. No, shortly before he passes away, he gets with Olivia Hussey and John Saxon and wants to do a true sequel to Black Christmas where it's present day and Olivia Hussey is now the house mother. Get out? Are you serious? That's that's what was on that That was that was the cards following. You know, we we kind of mentioned, you know, this movie has a couple remakes. Two thousand and six, Bob Clark executive produced that remake and it bombed. I mean, it did not do good at the theaters, and when that happened, he was like, that's it. I'm doing a sequel the right way, and Hussy and Saxon are like, we're in let's do it. I didn't read anything about that. That's fascinating. Interesting. Yeah, in production, he was in pre production. He was working on it, and then you know he got killed that car wreck. So, yeah, Jess is alive.

1:00:35 I'm gonna say, you know, the hopeful person of me says, yes, is alive. The Bob Clark fant of me says, yes, Jess is alive. Do you feel that she's left alive? All right, I'm gonna go a wild fan theory on you here. Okay, I think she is dead, totally, Dad, Okay, so rewatch the movie sometime. Mm. Every time Billy or whatever his name is, because we don't even know that for sure, we don't. Every time he kills somebody, he makes a phone call. Oh, you're right at the end. At the end, she's alone, and the phone starts ringing. He knows there's nobody alive in that house. Oh that's brilliant, because we're left outside.

1:01:22 There's that one cop on the on the stoop. He hears the phone he looks up and knows I'm not gonna go inside and answer it. I'm gonna stay right here. Every single time he murders somebody, he makes a phone call right after that is a great, great point. And now you got me wondering. When you rewatch it with that in your head and the movie changes, I think, I think you're onto something, so uh, we'll have to let the answer. Well, that's that's the great thing. Yeah, that's a great thing about ambiguous endings in movies. You'll kind of get to it's your thoughts like, well, did this happen or did that happen? But now you got me, you got me tetering. I don't know from I don't know if she's living now or not. But we'll have to let the listeners give us their thoughts on that. This movie is streaming, It's on Peacock, It's on Prime if you want to watch it for free, it's on YouTube, Pluto, TV two, B Crackle, there is You have every opportunity to see the nineteen seventy four Black Christmas. And we definitely say yeah too, Amanda. It has been a pleasure talking about Black Christmas with you. I want to thank you, Jeff for inviting me onto the episode. It was an honor and absolutely just made my day. When I opened up my messenger messenger and saw you wanted me to come on, I had the best time. I love your podcast. I love your hoop viewpoints. I love all your different guest hosts and semi permanent hosts and stuff and all your topics. I love the idea behind your podcast. I think you do a great job, and I appreciate all the work you put into

1:02:57 it because just this one podcast and one pagere an episode stressed me out all week. So I don't know how you do this week and week out. But we're not done yet. Correct, Correct? You want to You want to let the listeners knows what's what's coming their way. Absolutely. So Jeff reached out and asked if I'd be interested in talking about Black Christmas, and I said sure, Black Christmas seventy four. And I said sure, And then he said, how about we talk about the two remakes too? Okay, all right, let's do it. Yep. So we are following this up with a discussion on the two remakes, which both are incredibly polarizing. Oh yes they are. I don't want I'm gonna hold my cards close.

1:03:38 I don't want to give you any idea of what I think about the two thousand and six or the twenty nineteen versions yet, but I'm gonna go ahead and tell everyone Black Christmas, I gave you my heart, which is what Amanda suggested for the title, which is brilliant. We will be discussing that on Patreon. It's available now, so head on over to www dot patreon dot com. Backslash a film by podcast, Subscribe or sign up for our free seven day trial to hear Amanda's thoughts on the Black Christmas remakes and a whole lot more. Amanda, again, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you so much, and I'd like to follow this up with my favorite barber quote, You're a gold plated whorer. On that note.

1:04:33 Quote, Oh, on that note. Next week, our friends from the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast will be stopping by to discuss the last film in our nineteen seventy six series, Logan's Run. Thanks for listening. Happy Holidays, everybody, Agness is me beyond mhm