Brian De Palma - Body Double

0:00 So, Scott, can you tell us what a body double is? Yeah? Absolutely, So. It's an industry term talks about when somebody has to stand in for the main actor actress to film a certain scene. Maybe it's a scene where the talent doesn't want to use their do any kind of nudity or something like that, or there's something else that needs to be done in this body double stands in for that talent. Yeah, because I mean sometimes if you've got a wide shot that you know you can't see the guys or the girl's face, you don't want to put your talent there if you don't have to write right exactly. It's probably a way to save some money, I think, in those kind of shots. But oh yeah, Scott, did you know that Samuel L. Jackson was once a body double? Really cared to guess what the project was. I wouldn't even want to guess.

0:52 Hit me with it. He was Bill Cosby stand in on The Cosby Show for three years. Are you kidding? I'm not getting you. He was used for blocking and camera choreography because it was a three camera show. That's crazy that that's exactly what he told Vulture Magazine. He said they put me in those crazy sweaters for three years. Oh wow. Interestingly enough, the most famous body double in Hollywood is a woman named Shelley Michelle. Ever hear of her? No, you have seen her, you just didn't realize it. But she got her start doubling Kim Basinger's arms and legs. And my stepmother is an alien, which Kim Basinger denies. However, what cannot be denied is her body double work for Julia Roberts and Pretty Woman. It's actually it's actually her body that's on the poster with Julia roberts head superimposed on it.

1:49 And she did all the scenes in the movie that Roberts considered a little too risque for her. Yeah, and that's exactly what they're for. No, I had heard about the I remember the story about the Pretty Women poster. But no, that's great to put a name with the body. Speaking of names and bodies, I want to talk about a film by Brian De Palma, his nineteen eighty four underrated voyeuristic thriller Body Double. Hello everybody, and welcome back to a Film by podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Scott Holman. Scott, now that we know what a body double is tell us what Brian de Palma's body double is all about. So in this movie, nothing is what it seems. It's a love letter to Hitchcock that blends elements of rear Window and Vertigo with a modern commentary on sex and violence in the world of Hollywood. So to kind of sum it up, the centers.

3:13 The story centers on Jake, and out of luck actor whose claustrophobia traps him into life where he's too paralyzed to act. He loses his job and a woman he loves and lives with in one fateful day. During this downward spiral, he meets Sam, a new friend and fellow actor, that sets him in a unique elevated house with an interesting view of an exhibitionist neighbor's bedroom. Jake becomes obsessed with this woman, Gloria, and ultimately becomes her stalker slash protector as he witnesses the perceived threat of the menacing driller Killer, which is what I'm going to call it the thing. When this obsession leads to a brutal murder, Jake's pursues several clues to solve a mystery that brings him into the world of adult cinema and offers him the chance to take action or suffocate in his own fears. There's a controversial movie, to say the least, that walks of fine line between X and R ratings, shocks the audience with sex and violence, and offers an interesting glimpse in one of Hollywood's most famous directors. You know, I know you wrote that, but that sounds like something I would read in Entertainment Weekly. So it's not a back of the box. It's about it. That's one hell of a back of the box.

4:18 Several points that you make. I know we're going to talk about the Palma makes two types of movies of Scott. He does the big studio movies like You, Untouchables or Mission Impossible, and then he does these small psychological thrillers like Blowout or Body Double, And that's where his love of Hitchcock really comes out. You said it yourself. You know. Body Double is his homage to Vertigo, and there's definitely a touch of rear window in it. That's I think that's one of the reasons why I love the movie so much. Yeah, and you can even see it in the trailer, right at that famous scene of the lead character looking into the telescope, you know, aimed right at the camera. So many scenes in here are just screaming hitchcock, which was a huge influence on Dapauma's career. I mean, I love it obviously, but yeah, when I watched it recently, I thought, this is so far out of Scott's depths. I can't wait to see what he would say. It's not usually in my wheelhouse. Yeah, I mean it seems like, you know, I know that when I was growing up, I would hear about a few movies that kind of felt like they were probably propped in the video store, right next to the beating curtain in the back, you know, just kind of on the cusp. And there were a lot of times in this one, especially, there's a pivotal scene with Melanie Griffith talking about what she won't do, and it's kind of like, WHOA, Okay, yeah, that's scene I don't I don't think. I don't want to lose any of our of our sponsors, so we won't repeat what she says. But interestingly enough, in the United Kingdom, her dialogue

5:54 in that scene was significantly cut down so that they could actually show it. Right. Yeah, I don't doubt it. You get older, you can appreciate this film for a lot of things, and as I got older, I appreciate it. I appreciated it because it was Brian to Palma, but also because it's such an homage to Alfred Hitchcock. I think that's one of the reasons I like it a whole lot. It is a great balance of that. And as much as I'm you know, setting this up to sound like a you know, almost porn kind of flick, and it's not, there's a there's a significant amount of nudity. There's significant amount of sexuality in this movie. There's a lot of controversy that comes up with this movie, you know, in terms of violence towards women and you know, exploitation kind of things and all this other kind of stuff. But there's just as much of the the shots that have that beautiful composition and using the entire scene to represent the chase, and just inventive ways to to use the camera the way that Hitchcock did. As much as you can kind of see certain shots where he's mimicking Hitchcock, you can also see him emulating what Hitchcock was going for and pushing it forward, which is something I appreciate. Beat him. Okay, so let's get into this cast. Melanie Griffith as Holly Body. She plays the porn star in the movie. Not our first time talking about Melanie

7:25 Griffith in a thriller, because Dayton Johnson from the Docking Base seventy seventh podcasts, he was here in August and we were talking about Pacific Heights. Oddly enough, this is this is kind of the movie that makes her career though. She meets Dipoma through her then husband Stephen Bauer, who had befriended Dipoma during the making a Scarface. You know, he's one of them, you know, main actors in Scarface. She claims that body double is the reason she got something wild and working girl. She she says it herself, this is the movie that made her interesting. And Pauma himself, you know, he even says, Hey, look for all the critical drumming that this movie got, for all the hate that it got, the one thing that everyone agrees on is Melanie Griffith. Yeah, that's true. And I mean you can see how this was probably a fairly risky movie to make, and it's one that earned her a Golden Globe nomination. Yeah, what did think about this before? Melanie Tatum, O'Neill, Jamie Lee Curtis, and Carrie Fisher all audition, but they turn it down due to the excessive nudity. The roles then offered to Linda Hamilton. She turns it down because she decides that she'd rather do a low budget sci fi movie. You know what that one was, right? Oh? The Terminator, the Terminator, Yeah, yeah, I think the right Yeah they yeah, she made Yeah, she made the right call. But that at this point, Di Palma is like, is just thinking, you know what, I'm going to hire a legitimate adult

8:56 film actress because that's the only type of actress that can handle this kind of this kind of nudity, this kind of bravery. But Melanie meanwhile is campaigning for the role. The Palma is warning her it's going to ruin her career, and like you said, she wins the Best Supporting Actress at the Golden Globes. But you know, looking at what Melanie put into the performance, was taking it seriously, you know, not getting into the role as somebody who is going to be exploited or somebody who is going to be kind of maybe kind of a more of a ditzy role. Right, She was very much somebody who was level headed, knew what industry that she's in, knew what career she was working toward, what kind of career goal she was working toward, and what she wanted from it. She knew exactly what she wanted in a contract, she knew she was getting into, she knew what steps to take to to be safe in making some of those decisions. So it seems like she was taking that presentation seriously and not just fitting into a role where she happens to be naked. And I respect that, and I think that's a lot of what went into that Golden Globe nomination, that she was brave enough to step into that kind of role that some actresses might not be.

10:16 Yeah, because I mean, she spent some time with adult film actresses, and in interviews she's even said, Look, my my goal was to represent these women as strong and smart, not ditzy, not dumb blond's, you know, and and above all I didn't want them to I didn't want it. I didn't want the new peer trashy. So right, right, she's she's fantastic in the film. Certainly smarter than the lead actor. The lead man in this movie, Jake, played by You want to talk about Craig Watson, let's get into it. I like this guy. Uh, he does Ghost Story in nineteen eighty one. You would have thought he would have broke out from that, but he didn't. He's probably most well known for a nightmare I'm street three Dream Warriors. Absolutely, you said that.

11:11 You said that yourself when we when we first talked about this movie. That's my connection with Craig Watson. You know, I see his face and I cannot not think of Dream Warriors, which I've seen way too many times. Yeah. Well, he's good in that too, you know. Yeah, he's Neil. Yeah. Yeah. And you know not that he's not doing a good job in this movie. I don't. I don't want to say that. It's just his character of Jake. There are times when he makes the decision. It's like, come on, Jake, you've got to be sweater than this. Yeah, I honestly don't understand. Now, with all respect to Craig Watson, he's had a very long and successful career. You know, he's done a lot of TV. He's done he's done some movies, I never understood why he didn't. He didn't break though, like he didn't become more of a known known actor. You could argue, probably his biggest movie but but smallest role is Malcolm X. You know, he lands a Spike Lee movie and he plays the TV host but lots of TV over the years. Scott, you probably recognize him from one of your favorite shows he played well Okay, yeah he wasn't Mash But I'm talking about you know, for all, for all the all the work you guys do over on our Star Trek limited series, I thought you would have recognized him as a as a char from Star Trek Deep Space nine. No, not as much, not as much, although I'm a big DS nine fan, and I'm sure that when I saw you know, his character on the screen, it

12:43 immediately, it immediately took me back to Dream Warriors, and I think it always will as much as think you know, I'm gonna have a hard time not seeing him in his billy idol, twisted sister mash up makeup for vampire's kiss or his gigantic gaping mouth whenever he's you know, filling the claustrophobia that that's that's burned into my brain. I know, I know. One thing's got to be burning in your brain. He did a music video, Have Me Arrested? I sent this to you, But reactions to this music video, which is just quintessential poor production MTV video so cringey, especially the last scene where he's getting like, you know, I've finished the song now I'm gonna pan back to the camera, given a deep, deep look. I'm just like body. Oh buddy, how about how about the newscaster he keeps seeing on TV? Yeah, it's it's Banya from Sidefeld. Right, let's go. Let's gold, Let's gold. What is he doing here? Oh man? Listeners, please go to YouTube do a search for Craig Watson Have Me Arrested? This video? You just gotta see it, and let's see it once. Just see it once. Don't give that your worm to yourself.

14:03 You know, we were talking about the some of the actresses that were up for the role of Hollybody. I think we can agree that Melanie Griffith was the best choice. Yes, do you know who was originally considered for the role of Scully? Who's that? Kurt Russell? H could you see Kurt Russell in this role? No? No, why. No, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just I'm just curious about your So he was up for the role of Scully apparently, so he was considered for the role. I don't know, now that I'm thinking about it, maybe that would have worked, But I don't know. If I could see him doing the claustrophobia thing, I could see him doing that. I could see him struggling with that, but also being the hero I see him. I don't.

14:50 I don't see Kurt doing the smarminess that Jake Scully has. I don't see him doing, like when he's in the acting class and he's going through that exercise, the sardine exercise. Yeah, I don't see Kurt pulling that off. Yeah. I mean there's there's kind of a pathetic aspect to Scully and yeah, you know a lack of confidence that I don't think you would be able to get from Kurt Rose. That's it. Let's move on. Greg Henry as Sam among other characters. This guy, so, he's worked with the Palma on Scarface, Body Double Casual because of War Raising Kine and the Black Dahlia. He's one of a few of the Palma's go to guys.

15:31 He's a he's a huge that guy though. I mean, the guy's got like over one hundred eighty credits again, lots of top lots lots of TV Scott Again. You probably recognize him from Star Trek Insurrection or maybe Star Trek Enterprise Insurrection. Yes, I think my My immediate reaction is payback. Yeah, Mel gives his payback. Yep. Now, I didn't know that. That actually kind of skewed my watch of this movie because as soon as I saw him, especially in the acting class, when he kind of leans in and he's really looking intensely at Jake, I was like, Oh, he's plotting something. This guy's gonna end up being the bad guy. He's plotting something, and he's going to use Jake just because of my well, just because of my you know, seeing Payback so many times, I was sure that he had some shift to going, oh, okay, I see what you're say. So another role that he did informed him, informed you on him. That's interesting. Yeah, you know, nowadays he's known as Grandpa Quill though and the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, so true, true, Yeah, I mean he has more of arranged than that. I don't know why. It's just in that scene. I had that association with his role in Payback. Well, in this movie, you know, he's playing multiple parts and without giving away the surprise. What do you think about his performance.

16:49 I think he did a great job. I think even in the Driller Killer makeup, I could see it in the eyes. I could recognize him pretty easily. But I think he does a good job of that kind of duplicitous kind of idea where he's he's the friend, he's your pal, he's your buddy, but then he's also this guy that's just plotting against you and just menacing. I think, especially when he was hitting Gloria and you know, roughing her up, that's what took me back to that kind of Payback role. But he absolutely devours the scenery when he's in there. I did kind of feel like one of the scenes was a little laughable when the driller Killer is trying to find a place to plug in the drill slowly approaching her and she's slowly backing away, which I was just like, lady left or right, Like he's got this thing plugged in, just run away from the cord. And at one point it comes unplugged, and it kind of felt like a It felt more funny to me than anything, because I was like, ahh he came unplugged and they both kind of stand there like, oh, well, what do we do now? She happens, you know, she takes advantage of it, gets away for a little bit. Then he plugs it back in and obviously does his thing. But yeah, that that was That was kind of an interesting scene for me. So I ask you, without giving away the surprise, what do you think about his performance?

18:15 And your response you you finger him as the abusive husband and the driller killer and the buddy. The cat is out of the bag. Thank you, Scott. Sorry it's nineteen eighty four. Oh shit. I guess I thought, you know, maybe someone's like, hey, I'm gonna check this movie out, you know, because it's a it's a pretty cool reveal at the end when you find out that the driller Killer is in fact Sam, So, do you want me to do a take? Right? I don't reveal No, I can get back into it. Okay, So much for that. Let's all right, All the cards are on the table. Now moving on. Debrah Shelton as Ah the thim Fatale Gloria, the victim of the driller Killer. She's Miss Usa nineteen seventy. She auditions and loses against Smaud Adams for the role of Octopussy in nineteen eighty three. Yep, and as you as you threw caution to the win and told us what happens, she does receive one of the most brutal and horrifying death scenes in a movie I got. Honestly, not seeing it makes it worse. Why is that?

19:33 I think it's because your your brain is filling in the blanks. It's imagining the worst possible scenario with only a few hints. Small role for him, but always fun to see him. Dennis frowns playing uh the director, Ruben, because we got a we got a movie within a movie happening here. You know, Jake's a struggling actor. As you said, he's on this Vampire's Kiss movie. Dennis Franz has worked with DiPalma on The Fury, Dressed to Kill, blow Out, Scarface and then and then finally Body Double. You know, he kind of makes it big after after Body Double, right, or actually before Body double. After Scarface, he makes it. He makes it kind of big, you know, he's doing Hill Street Blues, and I know NYPD Blue isn't too far off, but he does this movie as a favor to DiPalma, and he only agrees to it so long as he can play the director as Dipoma. Did you know that? Yeah, I've heard that. Yeah. When they were so, if I remember correctly, there was a scene where they were there was a situation where they were talking about, you know, wardrobe, what do you want to look like?

20:44 What kind of director you do want to be? And Dennis just points at DiPalma, like that guy right there, Yeah, and the wardrobe notes from him. Well, and they did more than that. The Dipoma gives him clothes. Yeah, so like the uh like that Safari jacket he's wearing, that's the Palma's jacket. Yeah, yeah, I love I love that Palmas Like, yeah, you want to be made to really be me? Yeah, which made me think, you know, is this in that universe? Is this a little bit of a meta thing? Right? Like, is he the DiPalma of that universe that maybe hires Jake for more roles in the future. Well, it's an interesting take because I think there is a little bit of of a meta aspect here. I mean, this is this movie. Critics slammed it. But you know, a couple weeks ago, I was talking with Jason and d on the show You Can't Be Serious Podcasts.

21:41 We're going over Last Action Hero, and we're kind of talking about how, yeah, he got slammed, Critics hated it, but it was a little bit ahead of its time, you know, for the for the meta commentary that it had. I think that's kind of going on here with the Palma, because he's kind of when you watch this movie, he actually I think he's kind of poking a little bit of fun at himself. Obviously with the Dennis Franz character. He's poking fun at horror films to an extent, and he's he's poking fun. He's poking a lot of fun at Hollywood. You know, this is one of those like, hey, this is what this is what working Hollywood looks like. So I think it's a good point you make there, and the sensibilities and the things he had to fight with Scarface, you know, having to dial certain things back to avoid X rating, right, Yeah, and he just dials right into it, not shying away from everything. Yeah, especially that last scene the I don't know.

22:38 Let's let's i'll tell you what. I'll tell you, I'll tell you what. Why don't we hold off on that for now? Because you know, I do want to talk about a couple of quick cameos. We're gonna test. We're gonna test your your knowledge here, your your eighties knowledge. Scott. All right, So Carol, Jake's X that you that he you know? He comes home, he has a bad down set, comes home, just surprises his girlfriend, catches her in bed with another guy. Did you happen to see did you? Oh? Yeah, did you happen to see who that that actress was? Though I recognize the face, but I can't place her name? Is that Barbara Crampton? Yeah? You better not be cheating and looking looking this stuff up? Of course, don't cheat, don't cheat you here. That's that's Barbara Crampton in her feature film debut. Really yeah. We love Barbara Crampton obviously, you know from Beyond Chopping Mall Reanimator.

23:37 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, adore her. Yeah, all right, it's great to see her in this one. Even though she's in that situation. It's like, oh, Carol, really you got Jake bad? What she does. Great to see her though, I will I will agree that it was great to see her. Moving on, so the assistant director on the set of Vampire's Kiss, Jake, gets fired. This guy kind of walks him out. Did you recognize that guy? I did, but I don't remember his name? All right, Well it's Larry Flash Jenkins. You recognize his face though, oh Ferris Bueller. Yeah, yes, yes he was. He was one of the guys in the lot that that stole the Ferrari exactly. And we still want to see that movie. I'm just saying, Larry, Well, it's gonna happen. I'm sure ye. Well, fans mister Jenkins would also recognize him. He played the beach junkie Gummy in a Fletch. Yep, that's right, that's right. So there's there's one more famous voice. I know how you got one? You got one for me? I know his I know his voice from countless Things, and I was shocked to hear that he's in this the voice of Raphael on Teenage Mutant Turtles Really, who was also the voice of Pinky and Pinky in the Brain and Jacko and Animaniacs. Rob Paulson, what okay? What who is he

25:08 in this movie? I definitely missed that he's a cameraman in the The Relax, the Frankie Frankie goes, Oh Frankie Frankie goes a Hollywood segment. Okay, yeah, yeah, I do want to talk about that. I want to talk about that in a little bit. But Okay, that's one line that I won't quote. But when I recognized Rob Paul said, I was like, Rob said, this really one line, one line that you won't quote a certain shot. Yes, okay, say no more? Yeah, right at the end of the thing. Okay, right, because that's what we would do, is keep this clean so the kids can listen to it. Sure, Oh Jesus, I'll tell you what. Let's take a quick break here from our friends at Doom Generation, and when we get back, well, we'll get into the film's background. Talk a little bit about about the production. Sound good? God, did you grow up with a lack of parental supervision? Do you know all the lyrics to the Fresh Prince of bel Air? Remember Mayor mc cheese and the Pride guys have an inexplicable love for the California Racist. Can you remember Madonna's original phase then you might be a part of the Doom Generation. Laugh until you Cry with us each week as we stumble blindly through the memories of the movie. Another random thing that doomed us to be the salty, sarcastic, sardonic les. You want to hang it, You know us, you love us, you can't live without us. Doom Generation available everywhere you find podcasts. We are back, Scott.

26:37 Let's talk a little bit about how this movie gets made. The Palma gets the idea for the film after working with Angie Dickinson's body double on Dressed to Kill because there's a very long, awkward shower scene in that film. I don't know if you've seen Dressed to Kill. I know we haven't got the photography yet, but Dickinson was not doing a lot of what you see in that scene. So yeah, he kind of he kind of got into you know, he's he's basically he's having to give direction to the body double and what to do and how to do it, which which which is awkward. But he gets the idea from that conversation with that that body double, and he becomes determined to make the first X rated mainstream Hollywood movie with non simulated sex. And this is kind of a throwback, you know you were saying, you know, you're kind of talking about Scarface and all the problems he had with the sensors. They kept delivering an X rating for every cut that he was offering, and very frustrating for him. Yeah, Coca Cola, who owns calling me pictures at the time, they had other ideas there, so they put a stop to his uh machinations. Yeah, and I do kind of wonder I'm not sure at what point in the production they finally pulled the plug on that. Like we've already talked about him having kind of casting holes with pornographic actresses on the set. If it's if it goes all the way past casting, if that's something that was on the table when he was talking to Melan and Griffith, I can't imagine it would be because that feels like it would be a show stopper. But yeah, I remember seeing

28:11 a quote from him saying, if this one doesn't get an X, nothing I ever do is going to This is going to be the most erotic and surprising and thrilling movie I know how to make. I'm going to give them everything they hate and more of it than they've ever seen. They think Scarface was violent, they think my other movies were erotic, wait till they see Body Double. I just want to point out how in sync we are at this moment, because I'm looking at my notes and I've got that exact diploma quote teed up to deliver to you, and you just gave it. So I love that. No, do what you do now. The original story, it takes place in New York, but after filming Scarface in LA, he decides to move the story Hollywood, you know, which I think is the right decision. I mean, when you think about a lot of the pivotal scenes that come to mind for me, the the mall kind of the walking pursuit scene, and the beach cabanas, if I'm if I'm saying it right, those kind of dressing rooms on the beach. Yep, you could find those, you know, in certain places in New York. But I think, you know, it's a little bit more iconic to have it in in LA And it definitely uses one of the key locations, which is the chemosphere. Without doubt, this is the coolest set in the entire film, and I I don't I honestly don't understand why this why this house is not used more often. I mean, to date, it's been in an Outer Limits episode, it's been in that George Clooney Disney movie Tomorrowland, and it

29:47 oddly enough it inspired the house from Charlie's Angels in two thousand, but they didn't use the house. Interesting. Uh, this thing looks like the space needle. It's it's a fascinating design by architect John Laudner, and things like this inspired. If it looks slightly familiar, it inspired things like Tony Stark's house in the Iron Man movies. Yeah, that's another one. Yeah, you see this house, It just looks like it's from the future. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, well, talking about other futuristic looking things, it's not about Frankie goes to Hollywood. This might be one of the most memorable scenes in this film. Yeah, definitely one of the most iconic. I mean that the song that's featured in here Relax. I don't remember seeing the music video at all. Yeah. So Di Palma had been watching a lot of MTV to inspire a Jim Morrison script he was working on. Someone at Columbia turns him on too relax by Frankie goes to Hollywood and he decides, you know what, I'm going to shoot their music video, and then the music video basically becomes part of you know, we got this movie within a movie, a set of happening. So when Jake goes undercover to work in the porn industry, you know, just to get to Hollybody and you know, start working on unraveling the mystery. He's in this scene with the band.

31:06 The band is in the movie. Yeah, it's in its entirety, and it's a fascinating scene because you're you're watching this and Scott, this was your first time watching. So I have to ask you are you seeing this and wondering like, okay, are we in a dream sequence? Is this really happening? What's going on here? It definitely seemed like a dream sequence. Like when I first see Scully walking onto the scene, it looks like he's in Rocky Horror Picture Show. When they first landed doctor Frankenfurter's castle, he looks totally out of place. He's got his argyle sweater, the glasses, you know, and this is a big shift from you know, I think the scene prior he's in the casting director's office, basically doing an audition, and then you cut to this, so it almost seems like maybe it's happening in Jake's head. It almost seems fake, or it seems pretty dreamlike until you see the camera crew in the mirror, and that pretty well solidifies that, like, Okay, this is really happening. He's making the movie.

32:04 If this risk A Nightclub looks familiar to you, it's because the exact same set was used a year later in Tom Holland's Fright Night. Interesting. Yeah, interesting, but more interesting. MTV sensors unwilling to play the video due to its adult content. Oh yeah, ironically, though you said you've never seen the video. Ironically, what becomes the band's official video isn't really any less team or suggestive, right. If anything, it's a little more like WHOA. Yeah, I definitely can't see the Frankie Say Relaxed T shirt without thinking of the scene. So it's it's one of the it's one of the the biggest songs of the eighties. Yeah, and it's you know, it's a better ear room to have than Craig Watson's Unforgettable single. So not a fan for having me arrested. Huh, not so much, Scott.

32:55 Let's talk about the pivotal scene here, you know, and kind of like on seventies, you know, we talked about the the underrated moment, you know, pivol scene. Probably not the climax, but not the most important scene, but something that makes you think, Wow, this movie's going places. You got one. I'm thinking of the beach scene. Okay, that's that's my scene. Let's talk about it. It is a little odd. You've got this main character who's essentially creepily stalking this lady to try to protect her from somebody else who is creepily stalking her, and walks, you know, onto the beach, sees the driller killer running toward the beaches. She's going there. They have this interesting kind of cuts between this, a few rows of cabanas on the beach and you kind of see this blurry shape that's moving in between them. And it's the first time that he really talks to her and I lets her know she's in danger. Yeah. I think this is Jake's hero moment because he approaches Gloria. He immediately jumps to action when your purse is stolen, but ultimately he shows his vulnerability in the tunnel, and I gotta tell you for for all the reasons, twelve year old Jeff min I loved watching this movie. I can also tell you the driller Killer, especially in that tunnel scene, it was he was terrifying. Really,

34:27 I just well, you know, so Di Palma, who incidentally hates this. He hated the chase on the beach. You know, I'll get one to get that in a second. But when Jake freezes up against the wall like halfway through the tunnel because of the claustrophobias hitting him, DePalma's using these Dutch angles where the camera's kind of slowly spinning yep, and you know Jake is just frozen in fear. And I don't know, I don't know if you've ever felt claustrophobia or you know anyone that that's that that has it. I can tell you when we did uh, we did confinement training for the fire department. We had to do, you know, they you know, chief basically said, if you're not claustrophobic, that's good. If you don't know that you are, you're about to find out because the exercises they put you through when you're in these tight, dark, confined spaces and you can't move around and your ear it's it's a little scary, and I you know, I saw quite a few people absolutely freak out after like two minutes of it. They couldn't you know, and they found out, Hey, I am claustrophobic. YEA, so great scene. It tells us a lot about Jake, I think. And as for that that chasing the beach, you know, like I said, the Palma hates it because he couldn't find a way to shoot it with intensity. The scene, it starts with something that I smile at now, I kind of I kind of chuckle when I'm seeing him chase the driller cirl on the beach, because I immediately think of Rocky three with Rocky and Apollo running on the beach. You see the training I

36:00 see the training way. Yeah, I definitely see Connor McCloud and Ramirez and how Highlander running on the beach. You're here gonna fly now kind of yeah in the background. Yeah, yeah, it's just uh so it starts off kind of corny, gets real scary, but then Scott this this scene ends with what might be the most cringe eiest kiss of all time that's ever been and that's that's one of the things you're talking about dream sequences. It seems so unrealistic, absolutely aside from the fact that he's like, I've been stalking you for a while and I've I've seen this other guy that is stalking It's okay, I'm the good one, he's the bad one. Yeah, but I've had this heroic moment of you know, almost saving your purse. I think it's an interesting use of the the scene, she kind of leads him out of the tunnel and she's kind of comforting him and you know, getting him too a place where he can finally breathe. He's not feeling that dizziness.

37:00 He's finally kind of woken himself up out of it. And they have this exchange you know, do I know you from somewhere And he's like, no, you don't really. But they lean in and not just kiss, but start like full on making out this three hundred and sixty degree pan all the way around them, which I know is another nomage shot to Hitchcock, But man, was it awkward. I mean he's just like pawing at her and like, yeah, he's like the groping. It's just yeah, it's just it doesn't work, you know. It seems unrealistic. And I thought it was all in his head that he had just passed out and that's what he's imagining. And she's like, hello, buddy, that would have made more sense, you know. But I'll tell you that when they when they are doing it, like the composer has this, I'm gonna call it like this the voyeur theme. Every time he's watching her through the telescope and anytime he surround her. Is it just me? Or is it it sound a little like Harold Foultemeyer, Like it's got a little bit of that Beverly Hills cop act fully? Yeah? Does this? Was it? Okay? So I don't know if that's just me or not, but I can see that, you know. I don't want to get off topic here, but there is one cameo we forgot to mention back at the mall. O oh oh yeah, yes, yes, yeah, because you text me all excited.

38:23 Yeah, I'm blanking here. Oh as soon as I saw uh this actress. Yeah, so yeah, we ah, you know, he's kind of Jake's kind of falling Gloria around. There's this really pervy moment where she's in like some kind of lingerie store and he's watching her from outside. But the h the sales the sales lady is a little little lax with how she shuts the curtain. Yep, that sales lady though, Scott, Yeah, that very distinctive look. And I was like, is that Gozer? And sure it's Slovizza. Jovina was playing this shop clerk who finally stops him in his his creepy stalking walk, which I can't believe they got that far without her turning around and being like what but what is it like? You'll send somebody behind you? This is this is the moment where we want Goeser the Gozarian to succeed. Yes, yes, so she called it. She calls bolts out, Yeah, she calls Martin, she calls mall security. She's like, hey, we got a problem here, go full emperor. Yeah.

39:31 I've never seen Gozer not be Gozer. I was interested to see when I was kind of looking that up scene. What else she's been in the lines that Slovizza spoke as Gozer in Ghostbusters. Yeah, we're spoken by Patty Edwards, who was the secretary in Halloween three season of The Witch. Oh wow. And also did the voices for Flotsam and Jetsam in The Little Mermaid, which, now that I think about it, sounds exactly the same. I had no idea. Yeah, So it's great to see Gozer. Great to see Gozer. Scott. Let's take one more break. Speaking of Goser, let's hear from our buddies over the All Eighties Movie Podcast, And when we get back, maybe you can tell us a little bit about Brian DePalma.

40:21 Welcome to the All Eighties Movies Podcast. I'm Bill and I'm Jason, and this is the podcast where we talk about the blockbusters, the flops, and everything in between from one of the freshest decades for movies, the nineteen eighties. So whether you're a brain, a jock, a valley girl, or a Jedi, we've got some Eighties classics for you to These movies stand the test of time. Are we discovering something new? Is there an Eighties movie we are finally watching for the first time. Join us each week as we dive into the cinematic nostalgia that inspired and influenced a generation, from the hits to the cult classics. We'll discuss our earliest memories, favorite scenes, fun acts, and are not some favored movie moments too. You can find me all Eighties Movies podcast. Whoever you listen to your podcast, please subscribe and happy listening. We are back Scott. What can you tell me about Brian de Palmer, Well, I can tell you. He was born in September eleventh in nineteen forty in Philadelphia, raised in a house that was filled with a bit of turmoil. His father was an orthopedic surgeon, and apparently there was a bit of kind of disquiet in his house growing up. Before starting a career in film, he focused on more scientific ventures. He was studying physics, Russian and math at Columbia University, and as shocking as it may seem, he wasn't really interested in movies until he discovered them while studying at

41:53 Columbia. That was around the avant garde film crazes coming out of France. They were seeing a lot of new things happening coming out of Europe and it caught his attention. But he noticed that there was no place to study film at Columbia. He joined a cinema society that featured a few short films and won an award for an early feature called Wooten's Wake, and in sixty two then switched to Sarah Lawrence College as a graduate student and one of the first male students in their theater department. Doesn't wait, he said, he's one of the first. I was just saying because I thought Sarah Lawrence was like an all and when it was college, it was all women's college, but then it switched to co ed. Oh wow, okay, and he's one of the first. YEP, way to go, Way to Go. Brian to Palma. One year later, with support from his theater professor, he enters the world of independent film as a co writer, co director and co producer of The Wedding Party, which started a very young and very undiscovered Robert de Niro in his first movie. It's crazy to see him in Black Can Wait. But he's he's full DeNiro. He's very young, but full DeNiro.

43:04 Wow, this is so, this is way younger than what DeNiro and mean streets or taxi driver. Then oh, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, he's got to see that kind of a crew cut. It's very interesting to see. Several more projects would follow, which he used to earn a living by producing documentary films. He'd team up with the Nero again twice more with the film's Greetings and High Mom. Now this is past the black and white era. This is a little bit more kind of that that Beatles kind of era. But both of those earned him more than an income. He began to bither began to gather a lot of acclaim from film festivals that would take him from New York to Hollywood by the age of thirty. It's just crazy to think of. That's a very fast careers, a whole lot to happen before you're thirty. Absolutely so along the way he became part of that movement we've talked about before, the New Hollywood generation in the seventies. Oh yeah, we talked about Horan, We talked about that was it Harold Becker on the Malics episode Yep, yep, Okay, yeah, New Hollywood. So that's like, you got all these Maverick filmmakers. You know, you got who was it? You got, you got Becker, you got the Palma, you got Scorsese, Spielberg, I think, Coppola and George Lucas yep, yep, And they're all they're all kind of change in Hollywood. Absolutely.

44:29 Yeah. It was this group that there's a film critic, Pauline Kale that coined the term the movie brats, and De Palma, like you said, was hanging around with Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese, Franz of Ford, Coppola, George Lucas, and they're all bouncing ideas off of each other. It's not necessarily the studios in charge. It's a time when movies were redefining conventional filmmaking by defying those conventions, right, taking more kind of personal control. Well. As much as I would love to talk about his full philmography, I know we don't have the time because he's we're talking about forty two movies and then some If you don't mind, let's let's kind of let's kind of play the hits if you will. Scott Okay, now I know he kind of he moves to Hollywood to do get to Know your Rabbit with Orson Wells. I haven't seen it. Have you seen it? I have not.

45:23 I've only seen some clips of it. It's interesting though that at the time Tom Smothers, the Smothers Brothers, was getting a little bit of heat and had stepped away from his show because of a lot of his anti war sentiments, and they were working together on this movie with Orson Wells. He had kind of an interesting experience with Orson not really learning his lines. Kind of reminds me of Marlon Brando on Superman. But I was also interested to learn that our nineteen eighty six MVP is in that movie and get to know your rabbit. Yeah, m Walsh, Ah, that's right. But you know, I thought we'd give that to Charlie Sheen, but I think we did, and Emmett Walsh is definitely he was the contender. Yeah, absolutely, without a doubt. Earlier you mentioned the Rocky Horror Picture Show when you were describing Frankie goes to Hollywood in this movie. Yeah, nineteen seventy four, he does a movie called Phantom of the Paradise. Any chance you saw that. I have only seen clips, and I don't know how I haven't seen it, but I really want to see it. Paul Williams, the clips that I've seen gives a great performance. I wish that I had been able to talk to him at a recent show, but it really has a lot of Rocky horror vibes. Oh, absolutely, it does. Interestingly enough, this comes out the year before Rocky Horror Picture Show. If I'm not mistaken, but I think the first time I took notice of this movie was

46:58 there was this eighties horror documentary called Terror and the Aisles. Did you ever see that? I remember the name. Yeah, such an awesome documentary. But there were clips of Phantom of the Paradise in that. It's one of those movies I was like, I always wanted to see it, never got to see it. Finally got my opportunity a while ago. It's strange. I'm not gonna say it's a I'm not gonna say it's a great film. It is definitely a cult classic. It's definitely one I would say, you gotta see it to see it, you know what I mean? Now two years later, nineteen seventy six, I don't want to talk too much about this because I know we are we're actually talking. You know, this is October, our first first episode of October. We're starting with the Palma.

47:44 Coincidentally, we're gonna end with the Palma on Halloween when we when we cover Kerry. So but but Kerry comes out in nineteen seventy six, Scott, I know you've seen it, you gotta love it, right absolutely. I mean, there's the iconic scene obviously of the problem. It is worth mentioning here and I don't know if it's going to come up later, but DePalma has never really shied away from blood and violence, and this is no exception. He actually grew up around a lot of blood. His father was an orthopedic surgeon, and I know in interviews he said, this is not eye surgery. It's not something delicate. It's very bloody and visceral, and that definitely comes through and Carry. One thing I noticed about Carry as as we're gonna go through this phmography, he definitely has a thing for shower sequences.

48:32 And I don't know if that like harkens back to the whole Hitchcock stuff with Psycho, but a lot of oftentimes his movies find the protagonist or the female victim in that state of vulnerability in the shower. And you know, Carrie opens with this long, slow tracking shot. Yeah, and it's it's this environment where you're at your most vulnerable, so it would be a safe environment, but when that safety is kind of compromised or threatened, it definitely turns it into a situation that's going to make you feel trapped, and it actually, it absolutely does turn that shower scene on its head with her getting you know, tortured by the other girls in the shower. Yeah, and he uses it to great effect. Speaking of being trapped, it's no, it's not where they to say. This is where he meets his first his first wife, Nancy Allen who who's who starred? Who is one of the stars of Carry you know, and would be in several of his other films.

49:37 But moving on, nineteen seventy eight, he does this movie called The Fury. I know Wayne, our friend Wayne Whited from our Star Trek Limited series. He's a big fan of The Fury. You know great John Williams soundtrack. I will give it that. Kirk Douglass as an action hero is awesome. Man. This movie has such a Have you seen it, Scott, I'm talking to you. I haven't seen it. It's it's one that it's one that's at the top of my list. After watching the Diploma documentary on HBO and seeing some of the few clips, especially as a follow up to Carry, It's it's very interesting to see one actress in particular kind of take a turn in that one. So it's definitely at the top. Like I told Wayne earlier, this is a great concept for a film, does not stick the landing at all. Yeah, if any movie needed a remake, it's The Fury as far as I'm concerned. All Right, let's go, and let's go into one of our favorite decades, the eighties, nineteen eighty.

50:40 He's got Angie Dickinson, Keith Gordon, and Sir Michael Caine and Nancy Allen Dressed to kill. Yeah, and this is one of those places where you know, I know that you mentioned before obviously this is what inspired Body Double, But talking about the violence against women, there's that scene and the elevator that scenes terrifying. Absolutely. It reminds me of the Driller Killer scene here where she's just kind of like backing up slowly like I've got nowhere to go. I'm absolutely trapped and my only recourse is to beg this person. And very interesting that when you see one character involved in that scene is completely unrecognizable intentionally. I'll tell you something. The shower scene at the end of Dress to Kill has got to be one of the most tense scenes I've ever seen in the movie and it is outright scary. Like you watch that scene, you will never shower with the door open again. Like ever, if there's shower phobias out there, it's most likely due to Brian to Palmer for at least two films, two or three. Yeah, and then in nine eighty one he's got John Travolta and Nancy again, Alan again and blow Out this Okay, you know, just like The Fury, this movie is incredible.

52:12 But the ending, the ending just disappoints me. Man, have you seen it? So Unfortunately, when I watched that documentary, it's spoiled the ending because I've seen the ending. Oh okay, but I think the so I haven't seen the entire thing. It's it's spoiled to a certain degree. But I still think the concept is fascinating. You've basically got a fully artist with John Travolta, right, yeah, and him using the there's a there's a scream that's used that becomes kind of a turning point in the movie, and it's that was that was a little hard to watch. I just I don't know, I blow out again. I just feel like I was I was on the edge of my seat the entire time, and so I got to the the ending, and then when the ending happened, I was like, are you you fff and kidding me like this? No, I was angry, man, I'm sorry. I was angry. We'll need to do a prequel, sequel, remake, but it's just a remake of the ending of some of these movies. Oh maybe I'll tell you something that doesn't need a prequel, a sequel, or a remake is nineteen eighty three when he does well, when he technically does a remake Scarface. Yeah. Movie, it's awesome, It's iconic, and I mean, he's he's talked a lot about the you know, the influence of this movie his on cinema, on popular culture, especially recently. It's it's heavily fixated in pop culture. And it's one of those ones where you know, it's it's not shying away from

53:43 violence at all, especially the chainsaw scene, and it's very expertly cut so that you're not technically seeing anything, but the implication is enough to just freak people out. And that's just one of the iconic moments in this movie. No fantastic. We've been talking about body Double on this episode. Nineteen eighty four, he does a handful of music videos in eighty four, obviously the Frankie goes to Hollywood video. Courtney Cox can can thank Brian de Palma for her career because he shoots the Dancing in the Dark video and it's his idea to hey, let's have let's have Bruce pull girl out of the out of the audience and bring her on stage. So yep, And that's thankfully a much different music video introduction than Relax would have been. Like, if that's why Courtney Cox got her start, I'd be like, oh, Courtney, oh no, yeah, So eighty seven, you know, he's he's built a career at this point of these these psychological thrillers more or less. But in nineteen eighty seven he goes full mainstream with a blockbuster talking about the Untouchables.

54:46 Yeah, oh that would This is my favorite Dipolma the movie, because I have it to be my first. I wasn't introduced to DiPalma chronologically, so I didn't get a chance to see you know, Carrie first or Scarface certainly at that age. But eighty seven I love seeing the Untouchables. It's you know, for going mainstream, you know, It's still got its share of violent scenes, but they're so well done. And the one scene that I'm thinking of is the the baseball scene. Oh gosh, yeah, and the baseball which is, you know, very very violent, but artistically that shot where it kind of pans up from the from the table, show the blood kind of corning out of the guy's head, it almost has kind of a Last Supper kind of composition to it, like everybody's frozen in time, but you're just kind of panning out and seeing it expertly done, in my opinion, got a lot of great locations and in Niagara Falls, and I couldn't think of a better way to introduce somebody to Brian de Palma. It's probably the way I'm going to be introducing into my sons. But I think my favorite shot in the movie is probably what is clearly the most hitchcock of shots in the movie. Talking about the train station with the baby carriage slowly bouncing down the steps and the bookkeeper with with Capone's gunmen. Yeah, so

56:19 many, so many moving parts in that scene. Yeah, and for it to you know, and everything's happening in slow motion and you are just panicking for this child. Yeah. Andy Garcia has that epic hero slide catches the catches the kid. You know, got him? Yeah, I got him. Ah yeah. I love The Untouchables. Man without seeing without seeing a single other film on the list of eighty seven, I might go so far as to say that is the best movie of nineteen eighty seven. We should test that theory sometimes, we might look at that. I had thought you were going to say, the scene with Sean Connery in his apartment bringing a knife to a gunfight, Oh, that sounds awesome, but it's so intricate and complex, you know, looking at body double now and kind of the walking scene through the ball it definitely seems like one where you have to know exactly where the camera is going to go at every single beat because there's there's no cuts, there's no edits. It's just a smooth walk through this apartment and out again to an alleyway. That was brilliant. You know, I think I might have to watch The Insuchables when we're done here. I think, so, yeah, yeah, let's talk about I'm gonna go ahead and say it if Platoon is the best Vietnam movie that has ever been made.

57:44 Casualties of War in nineteen eighty nine is the runner up. Now, this is one where it came out. I absolutely agree, was very very controversial for one particular scene. And I think at the time we were talking what two years four years after Back to the Future. Very different kind of role, a very different kind of movie for Michael J. Fox. We weren't ready for Michael J. Fox in a role like this. You know, in a lot of ways, his character is is sort of like Charlie Sheen's character in Platoon. You know, Fox represents the innocence that that war will ultimately test and and try to destroy. Yeah, and Sean Penn, Oh, my goodness, if you if you ever wanted to see Sean Penn is a villain, this is the film and he is. He is disgusting, he is powerful. Ah, it's it's amazing. And you know, the movie speaks to on several levels too, because you know, as far as like the the I think Diplomas is basically he's kind of saying, you know, the rape and pillage that's happening, you know, in these situations to these countries. It's kind of it's kind of dialed down to the plot of

59:15 casualties of War and it'll break your heart. You know. It's not like the feel good movies of the year by any by any stretch of the imagination. But if you want to see what Michael J. Fox can do when he's not flying around in a DeLorean, this is the movie, because you know, this is it might be his best performance. Honestly. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go and say it. Yeah, if you haven't seen Casualties of War, you got to. Yeah, it is hard to believe with you know, you've got two sprawling epics happening very close to each other. If Untouchable is It in eighty seven and Casualty Casualties of Wars in eighty nine, those both feel like very heavy productions to go through. But then just in the next year he comes out with Bonfire the Vanity. Would you say this was more of a paycheck movie for him? It seems like it probably is. Yeah, we get Melanie Griffith back. Yeah, now I'll be on. I haven't seen this one, you know, it's it's one of those it's always escaped me and it just doesn't I don't know if it's something that you know intrigues me. M let's move on Scott one of my favorite actors. Nineteen ninety two, he does Raising Kine with John Lithgow Lalita Davidovich m which I think this is one that I have not seen, but I think the concept is fascinating, especially knowing the you know, from the poster, from the trailer, I can understand it's the you know, duality of the John Lithgow John Lythgow's performance. Now. I don't know whether that's

1:00:47 like a split personality thing or a twins kind of thing, but it is. It is interesting to see John Lithgow come back and kind of rare for him. Yeah, nineteen eighty three he does Alito's Way, He's back with Champin, He's back with Appuccino. I don't know. I know on the I know the Abbian out here. I've just never been a big fan of the movie. It's not consistently come back to. I'm not saying it's bad. It's just like, yeah, I saw it. I'm like, okay, I don't need to see it again. Am I wrong? Like? Is it? You're not wrong? I mean, it's not one that I say. You know, if you haven't seen it, you absolutely have to see it. I think it was very very well done. I think it has great echoes of you know, Scarface and things like that, even though they're different characters. It's a different era. I know that I was a fan when I saw it in the theaters, but it isn't necessarily one that kept drawing me back, not like The Untouchables did. We'll tell you when that that will draw you back time and time again. Nineteen ninety six, he does Mission Impossible. Very very important movie to me. What a way to kick off a franchise, absolutely, and one that just continues to you know, and dur even today. And we're seeing echoes of that first movie in the latest installment. Yeah. The cool thing about Mission Impossible is the connection it has to Body Double. Are you aware of that? I am not aware of that. So think about this third active Mission Impossible. We

1:02:21 get this exposition where Ethan kind of unravels the events of the movie and and clues in the audience, and the Pauma is using like prior scenes that we've already seen them once, but now we're seeing them as hunt as telling the story and piecing it altogether for us. That scene is almost completely lifted from Body Double when Jake Scully calls the cop to say, I know who killed Gloria, and he goes through this whole thing, right, I can see what you're saying there. Yeah, watch Body Double and then watch a Mission Impossible. Yea, and it's it's the Poma going. It's the Poma play his greatest hits, yep, yep. And I think I think he does a good job of you know, it's not doing the same kind of shots, but he's repurposing certain effects that work really well. And I think that's definitely one of the I didn't even think of that. That's a good catch.

1:03:19 Yeah, I'll tell you what. Let's I know he's done probably like another ten movies or so. I want to I want to end on Mission Impossible, because I kind of want to end on a good one, on a great one, you know, Snake guys, Mission to Mars, Film Fatale, The Black Dahlia, Domino, say what you will. There's some are good, some aren't. But but I think we should leave off on Mission Impossible so we can kind of wrap things up. Yeah, So what's what's up next for Brandon? To Paula. He's actually got two movies in the works. He is currently in pre production on a film called Sweet Vengeance, which is a murder mystery inspired by two Your Life murders, So right in his wheelhouse, right, Yep, this is the one I really want to see. Though. He's in development on a film called Catch and Kill, which is a horror film set in Hollywood and featuring a predatory movie mogul.

1:04:15 Interesting. Yeah, that's very interesting. I think that has the potential to be really good. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see another take on Dipoulma's horror and a predatory movie Mogul. I don't you know, Weinstein. I don't know if he's thinking of anyone in particular, but yeah, I got I got a cough. Sorry, Scott. What would you if you, if you're the producer working with Dipoma, what would you want to see him do? I kind of feel like I'd like to see a dip into a slightly different genre. It'd be interesting to see a Western by Dipoma, Brian DePalma Western, Yeah, especially if you have kind of the you know, he's done great things with you know, sprawling epic shots of you know, hotels and malls and beaches and buildings, and you know a lot of big epic sets. What he would do with kind of smaller composition, tighter shots that would you would need in that kind of an idea. What about you think about how good of a remake Scarface was. I want to see him remake Ghost Story, only this time. I want to see him deal with several eighties screen queens in the roles. You know, we got we four older men. Let's flip that, let's have four older women and maybe instead of a female, you know, phantasm or a ghost whatever it's it's a male. Interesting and you would definitely bring black Barbara Crampton. Oh, I'm definitely calling up Barbara Crampton. Uh, definitely calling up Kelly Maroney.

1:05:49 Get a little bit of a chopping mall reunion happening there. I would definitely go to see that. That's a good idea. And I don't know where we're going to put him, but can we get Dennis Franz back in oh Shocking it Up movie? All right? Put him back in the director's chair. Yeah, Scott, do you recommend seeing this movie Body Double? What's your thoughts? I cautiously recommend it because it's definitely one where you know, kids are not going to want to be anywhere near this movie. I will say that, you know, my first look at this movie, there were sometimes when I was like, I don't know, I don't know if I'm comfortable with this. But though when you ultimately see things kind of unravel, I think if you're a fan of Diploma, it's definitely one to see, especially in the context of what he was doing with his career and what he wanted out of it. That's my recommendation. I don't know that it's necessarily one that I would own on four K, Blu ray or anything else like that, but what about you. Absolutely I love this movie. This is a great Hitchcock meets the eighties, suspenseful thriller, and yeah there's some adult content, but nothing wrong with that. I happen to own it on Blu Ray. I know you just said that you you probably wouldn't own it on four K. Coincidentally, a four K release is coming soon. I think it's coming out in spring him next year, I think, is what I heard. Okay, but it's available on Blue Ray, It's available to rent on most streaming platforms. I know the Blue ray has a couple has a couple good featurettes on it. I'll tell you a little bit about the movie.

1:07:18 So yeah, I'm definitely recommending it. And I think there's a I mentioned it a few times before. There's a there's a great documentary on DiPalma that they did I think back in twenty sixteen that chronicles a lot of his career and gets into things like Body Double and a few other movies. So if you're looking for something, it'll help you get kind of get a DiPalma sampler and get back into that world. That might be one we're checking out. That's on Max right now, isn't it? Yes? All right, So what do we have next on a film by Well? As I said earlier, it is October, so I know we are going to jam pack this month with a lot of great episodes based on a scary movies. Next week on our limited nineteen seventy six series, we'll be taking a look at the Omen. That's a perfect one to watch this time of year. And Scott, I'd like to thank you for the conversation on Body Double today, looking forward to your your next episode for Drawn into Lower Decks. But you guys are talking about what is got to be one of the coolest and most unique Star Trek shows ever. It really is. It's a It's a great time to be a Star Trek fan and a great time to start being a Star Trek fan for those who aren't. You've got a lot of great gateways into it. Yeah, thanks for having me back. It's always fun to talk to you, or if I'm talking with the Wayne and David and the Star Trek crew to talk about lower decks. Can't wait to keep going with that. And as always, listeners, we thank you for tuning in week

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