Danny Boyle - Sunshine

0:00 Hello, listeners. Jeff Johnson has left the building, so he left me second in command, Andrew Here, and I'm here to guide this mission. But I can't do it alone. I need some of the best and brightest, So I'm joined by Chuck Brian. Chuck, how are you doing today? I'm doing great. Thanks so much for having me back on. I'm excited to have you. This is our first first one together. Our listeners might recognize Chuck. He was on our Patreon episode Deadly Friend. He was also on Phasers Set to Stun for First Contact. And Chuck here is actually the host of a brand new podcast, Cinematic Flashback. Yeah yeah, so tell me about that. Yeah, absolutely so. Me and my buddy Matt we started Cinematic Flashback and we dropped our first episode this week.

0:45 Just to give you some some of the flavor of what we do. You know, we jump into the wayback machine and we journey back to the unforgettable films of the nineteen seventies, and each episode we break down the classics are not so classic movies with a fun, fresh approach. We explore the who's who of each film. We dive into the premise and plot and see how it performed then and now, and we wrap things up with did it groove through the decades or did it lose its beat? So we're having a lot of fun. We just covered the French connection and we're getting ready to go back in the studio to produce our second episode this Saturday.

1:26 Hopefully get that dropped in about a week or so. I'm so excited to hear it. Yeah, I love it, love it and love the energy. You guys are a lot of fun to listen to, really really good banter. In that one. Yeah, thank you very much. But we're gonna go a little bit later than the seventies. We're actually here to talk about a film by Danny Boyle, his two thousand and seven, in my opinion, very underrated masterpiece, Sunshine.

2:15 So first things first, let me know, did you see this one when it came out? What was your introduction to this movie? Yeah, to be honest, I think I saw it when it came out on DVD back in two thousand and eight or so, so I didn't see it in the theater, which I'll tell you right now, I regret that absolutely, but I hadn't thought about it in years until Jeff approached me to ask if I wanted to do this, and so this viewing, I'm just gonna have to say, I feel like it was my first viewing of the film. That's fantastic. I'm a little jealous. I've seen this movie a bunch of times. I'll be honest. When I first saw it, I think this is one of those movies that was terribly marketed. I think the very much sounds like, you know, the Core or you know, one of those catastrophic Day after Tomorrow type movies, which are fine, but that's very much not what this is. So I was fortunate enough to go see it in the theaters in two thousand and seven.

3:14 I was living on my own. In Florida, working seven day's a week, had no friends, so I just saw every movie that came out. But you know, I left the theater with my jaw on the floor. I was very, very surprised by how much I enjoy this movie. So I've seen it several times since. I recommend it to everybody. I think it's a very underrated sci fi classic. So chuck. For those that haven't seen this movie, or for those just you know, want to kind of get a refresher, can you give us a little synopsis what this movie's about. Yeah, absolutely so. Set in the year twenty fifty seven, earth Face is an impending extinction as the Sun is dying. A group of astronauts is a board the spaceship Icarus Too, and are on a desperate mission to reignite the Sun with a nuclear bomb, hoping to save humanity. Their journey is a perilous one, traveling to the heart of the Solar System, where the Sun's intense radiation and vast emptiness of space challenged their survival. Along the way, they encounter a troubling mystery, the long lost Icarus one, which had failed on a similar mission years before. When contact with the derelictship is unexpectedly re established, the crew must make a critical decision. Should they continue their original mission or to divert to invest the Aicarus one and attempt to salvage its payload. Their choice comes with its own risk, but what lies aboard the abandoned ship could alter the fate of their mission and humanity itself.

4:37 Again, it just that doesn't feel like it does it justice to me? I describe it very similarly to it the way I describe Jurassic Park which is the plot sounds like a sci fi channel movie, but it's not that it's its own thing. So you know, you said that you felt like this was your first viewing. What's your initial takeaway, What what's your feeling about this? So, yeah, I I didn't come into it one hundred percent cold when I was watching it, so I always start to look around to see what's been said about the film. I'm not too terribly in this case. I wasn't so concerned about spoilers. And I saw that Tarantino had a review of it, and he was he was very favorable of it to a point, and so going into it, you know, I was ready when that point came.

5:32 So it wasn't a record scratch or anything. And so I found the film to just be extremely mesmerizing. The music, the sound, the visuals. It was just a very mature science fiction movie. And it was very hard science fiction versus say, the more fantasy, make believe science fiction. Yeah, and I'm a big sci fi fan, and I think sci fi for me has to fall into one of two categories, and that's the you know, the over the top stuff like Star Wars. Obviously we all love it, but nobody really cares about the science there or something that feels a little more grounded like this, And you know, I'm a big space nerd. And you, even we talked earlier, you mentioned the similarities of this and some of the Apollo missions things going wrong, and I love that aspect of it, the confined aspect. And Danny Boyle actually talks about this quite a bit. When he wanted to make this movie, he was inspired by two thousand and one.

6:39 He was inspired by Tarkowsky's solaris an Alien, which I mean, I think all of those you can really feel what he was going for. I can see that one hundred percent all throughout. Yeah, Passage the ones that surprised me, though he specifically cited Dos Boot, Yes and Jeff and I just recently discussed Trumble's Silent Running. I would have probably never picked those out of a lineup, But now that I've heard him say that that's what he was inspired by, I very much get that vibe. And we'll talk a little bit more as we talk about the cast, some of the influences from Silent Running. Because I'm a huge Silent Running fan. Oh very cool. I think I've seen Silent Running one time, and it was my introduction to both Trumbull and Bruce Dern.

7:23 I mean trumble with two thousand and one, but where Trumbull was directing his own his own stuff. Yeah. And I got to give a shout out to our man Jeff here. For my birthday this past month, a couple of months ago, now I'm getting old, he gave me a special edition DVD of Silent Running, and the special features and the commentary on it are fantastic. So if you don't have a hard copy of it, get one. It's remastered. It's beautiful. But anyway between between Silent Running and Sunshine, my DVD cabinet's going to get a little bit more full. That's fantastic. So I want to talk about the cast because this is very much an ensemble movie and I love the cast.

8:05 So first and foremost, you know, classic a staple of Danny Boyle's films is Killian Murphy, who plays Kappa, Robert Kappa. He, like many of the actors in this is pretending to be an American, which they did obviously, you know, for the marketing purposes. What did you think of Kapa as a character. Well, first of all, I just I really like Killian and I recognized him immediately from one of my other favorite Danny Boyle movies, Twenty eight Days, and I liked him. I kind of noticed that all of the cast kind of spoke with an American accent, and it was a very diverse class cast as well in terms of the makeup of nationalities. So it really felt like it was Earth on this mission, you know, as opposed to America on this mission. So it was Killian was was was really great. Yeah, I think as far as main characters go, he's a little bit dry, but I think that that that is helpful because there's a lot of other personality on the ship. There's a lot of other emotions going on.

9:20 Oh yeah, and so I think he kind of played it a little bit more straight. But to your point about the diversity of the cast, I think that's one of my only major complaints about the movie is all these American accents. I mean, as you said, we got Killian, Murphy's Irish, and Rose Burns Australian, and Cliff Curtis is He's Maori from New Zealand, Michelle Yo is Malaysian and like, so for all of them to be faking their American accent. Was like, yes, he did a great job. I don't think any of him sounded off, but it just felt weirdly. It was weird. I didn't even notice it, to be honest, until I went back. I watched the film twice. I watched it, you know, straight through, and then I flipped over to the to the director commentary on it just to hear what Danny wanted to say through the movie, and it's an excellent rewatch as well. And then I think he mentioned in there that they wanted to speak with the American accents to make it more distributable. I guess, yeah, yeah, that makes sense from a financial standpoint. I Also one of the things that I really liked is I was reading about Killy Murphy preparing for this role, because you know, he he'd worked with Danny Boyle in twenty eight days later.

10:27 This is fresh off of Batman Begins, where he was Scarecrow. So he's starting to become a bankable celebrity here. But as Danny Boyle put all these guys through really intense training. They did a lot of astronaut training. They he had him watching movies that you know, sort of gave the vibe for it. He actually had the cast living together to sort of simulate their experience. But one thing that was interesting is he had them studying their specific characters specialty right. And I watched a really interesting interview with Killian Murphy where he said that being raised Irish Catholic, you know, he had gone through a lot of different areas of agnosticism in questioning his faith, but really doing a deep dive into the nuclear physics, he said that was the final straw for him.

11:09 Here. He was like, yep, I guess I'm atheist now, and I just think that's that's crazy that his dive into this is what really pushed him over the edge. That's sure interesting. But other than Killey Murphy, we got a fantastic cast. We got one of my personal favorites. We got Chris Evans as Mace. Yes, this is a pre Captain America, isn't it. M M. Yeah, it was a few years. I think he filmed Captain America around nine twenty ten something like that, so this would be a few years before that. Oh, this was this was a good film for him prior to becoming forever known as Steve Rogers. Yeah, Yeah, there's definitely that hard nosed, hardline sense of right and wrong. I think is very similar to Steve Rodgers, and that's about the only thing he has in common in Steve.

11:55 Yes. Yes, but it's a fantastic performance. He's genuinely one of my favorite characters because not just because I love Chris Evans, which is partially true, but I love that he is a terribly unhinged person. He's very angry, he lashes out, he's very emotional, but it never affects his opinion of or his logic on what's right and wrong and what has to be done. Yeah, and I think that's just that's you don't see characters like that a lot. He's he's very focused on the mission. I mean that that's that's what's driving him, so he knows what the purpose for them being there is and that that drives his character throughout the film.

12:41 Yeah, And I mean we see all of the characters put through a lot of stress and a lot of wear and tear, and I think that when his character really gets shown is when they're stuck on the Icarus one and they're in a position where only one of them is going to make it back and without hesitation, he says, it's Kappa, the person who up to this point he hates. He has had a lot of eyer towards and he doesn't hesitate because that's what's best for the mission. And that's that's the moment that solidified him. I was like, Okay, yeah, I'm teammates. Yeah, very good. So in addition to him, we have a bunch of other great people. We've got Rose Byrne as Cassie. What are your thoughts on her? What came up to my mind was the movie she did with seth Rogen Neighbors. Yeah, and so there was first of all taking her character from that movie, but then putting her into the role of Cassie was just I mean, I have to always remember that they're actors and they're just very good at what they do, and so you know, like immediately she was extremely fresh, very fragile in this movie. I like that of all the characters, she seemed to be the most almost unsure of herself.

13:55 So she was she was very very very much innocent, I think is innocent. Yeah, but she had a very strong moral core and that kind of comes up at a decision in the movie when they come back from the Icarus one and they're they're making a decision and they're taking a vote. Yeah, that is a very emotional scene, and I think that she really did a good job. I love that. As I said, each character sort of gets tested and we see how they respond to these dressers, and she she played it really well. I think you know it For me, you know, I'm trying to cast an astronaut scientist, I don't think this. She was pretty young at the time. She was, you know, in he early twenties. I'm not thinking this.

14:35 You know, young, innocent, little looking woman is going to play this really intense emotional role. And then by the end of it, I think that that brought some strength to it because she comes across as innocent, and you see that she's not. She's really firm and resolute in her values. I love that. Next is Benedict Wong, who I forgot he was in this one, I'll be honest, because he's such a babyface in this one. You know, I was blown away by this. This film is a who's who of They're going to become marvel people here in just a few short years. Yeah, I was going to try to count everyone of them. But but but Benedict, you're right. His character, Oh my gosh, his character.

15:20 Breaks my heart. And you know, we're talking all these and I just kind of want to jump into all these different scenes. But go for it by all means. Oh so, and as we said in the in the in the in the overview, uh, the chorus too makes the crew makes the decision. Well, actually it was uh Kapa makes the decision, a fifty to fifty decision to go and go to the Chorus one because two payloads would be twice the chances of success for them. And so, uh, Benedet character's name is Trey, and he's the navigator and he's at a position now where he has to make a whole bunch of calculations to get the Icaris two back over to where the Charis one is and suddenly alarms are going off and he has made a fatal miscalculation because he forgot one one component of this. And when we were talking earlier today about the Apollo eleven mission, as they're landing, I think there were like ten times during that dissent where things did not go the way that they were supposed to go. So even small small changes can have large effects in space, and you know in this movie, they didn't shy away from that and

16:51 they showed that, and that was just kind of reminded me of just different movies like two thousand and one. But anyways, that when when when when Trey's character he's crushed by this because you know, he knows that it was his fault, it was his mission. These are all scientists, they're all professionals, and he is just he's just crushed to the point of becoming suicidal. It's it's heartbreaking. And he does such a good job in that scene because it's not just you know, he doesn't just shut down like he's he's panicking. He's like, I fucked up, Like I tried, I really tried. I mean, you're you're right.

17:31 Like going back to the Apollo missions, they didn't have one person trying to do all of that math. They had teams and teams of people doing the math, and then teams and teams of people checking their math and triple checking it yes, because it is it's extremely complicated. So it was it was just too much to put on this one man's shoulders and he breaks down and it's it is absolutely heartbreaking, and I think he really knocked it out of the park because he doesn't get a lot of screen time after that he's drugged because you know, he's he's on a suicide watch. But I think with the screen time he has, he does an amazing, amazing jazz. Yeah, he's so good. And I also just got to say when I saw that, when I saw hero Yuki Yayuki Sonata was in this film, I was very excited.

18:13 I'm I'm watching the FX show Shogun right now, which is incredible, and he plays a major role in this film or in that show, and you see him just just being a full on warlord and then you compare him to his roles in Bullet Train or in H Yeah, the John Wick films, and he's just Oh, he's just always so interesting, and in this film he's much more subdued, you know. And yeah, because he's the he's the captain of the Icarus too. Yeah, he's he's very logical, he's very controlled and measured, and I think it carries a lot of gravitas with him when he does. I also I think he was I think he was the guy in H It was it a endgame that Ronan killed, so I think he was.

19:09 He was in Marvel too. He can add him to the list. But yeah, he's so good in this and I think, you know, going back to that pivotal scene where they're making the call. I love the way he steps up and they say, well, put it to a vote and he says like, no, no, we're scientists. You know. I think in most sci fi movies you get the emotional decision or that he put it to a vote, or the Captain's like I'm in charge. I love the way he stepped up and said, no, we're scientists. We are going to make the most educated and informed decision we can. So it's not up to us, it's up to the specialist that knows about the payload. And I thought that was that was a really cool scene. And obviously it has a lot of implications down the line, but he delivered it in a way that you just you trusted him, like I would follow that guy.

19:51 Right right, and you know, his his character is very much like Chris Evans character, So I think it was Captain Kind and Mace. They're they're very similar in the fact that they're they're very mission oriented, they're very they they're very self sacrificing, and you know, the I think that they they had a lot of similarities in there. Yeah, for sure. And I think he was a great, great choice for casting this especially, you know, going back to what we're saying about it being a very international cast, you know, Boyle said that he specifically wanted to focus heavily on America and China as the they're both like he viewed them as being the most equipped to put on a mission of this type in fifty days. Seneta is Japanese and I think that, you know, he plays a part in that, and the way he leads the group with the stoicism and drive is just fantastic. What's interesting is the original choice for the captain was actually Michelle yo Real.

20:57 She turned it down. Yeah, she said she didn't feel she kind of carried that that gravity or that command yet. So she plays Corazon in this Corey as they call her, and I absolutely love her Michelle and everything, and this is no exception, but I think that was actually the right call. I don't know that she necessarily carries the same thing that Yeah. I think I think that Corey carries this particular she's as she's the ship's botanist, and she's in charge of the oxygen garden on board the Icarus too, And you know, she's very she seems very earthy, if you will, at the beginning of the film, but then after some events happened, she becomes extremely calculating and almost a bit cold, until there's just near the end of the film she gets this glimmer of hope.

21:54 Yep, that's such such a beautiful scene. Yeah, I believe you're talking about the end when you know, as the botanist, once all the plants are destroyed through a series of unfortunate events. Yes, she goes back in there and that the mission's failing and they know they're not gonna survive, and she sees this little plant growing among the ashes, and it's beautiful. It reminds me of Wally only you know, oh yeah, quite. No, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, but yeah, it is absolutely beautiful. And I don't think it's a coincidence that her name Cortizona is just Spanish for heart. I think that in a lot of ways her character. You said calculating, I think that's a good word for it. She's doing the math, she understands, she's as smart as everybody else here that you know, they have to do the math. But she, unlike Mace, isn't going out and just saying this is how it is. She's talking to people and like, yes, this is the reality. But she doesn't, you know, she doesn't draw that hard line because I don't think she has it in her to say we have to kill some people or we have to let some people die, you know, not in the same way that others on the ship are. So I think Michelle yo has a softness to her that really helped that character. Yes, next is Cliff Curtis, who I think is super underrated. I wish this guy was in more stuff. He plays the the psych officer Searle.

23:12 So the first time I saw Cliff was he started in the Walking Dead spin off Fear the Walking Dead, and his character was just absolutely amazing. And I liked how that show started because it went such a different route and I thought that he just brought such a reality to that particular world. And in Sunshine, I think the movie opens up with him and you start to get this feeling very early on something is off, you know. I think that Michelle Yoh's character says something like, I know you're this, you know that the ship psychiatrist, But I think I'm more sane than you are. Yeah yeah, right out of the gate. Yeah he's a little he's a little different.

24:04 Yeah yeah, but he plays it in a way that's that kind of makes sense, Like he's he's excited. You know. I think everybody else on this ship is so worn down by the mission and the isolation and whatnot, and he's the only one on there that you see, like genuine excite me. He's like, you guys got to try this. He would sit in the sun room and and what he called bathing in light. Yes, he would crank up the the brightness as bright as it could go, sitting there in the sunlight, and he loved it. And so it's just it was really fun to see that kind of energy from him. You know, I don't envy the job of a psych officerun a mission that's going to be three years in space under the most stressful circumstances possible, But he found joy in it. I guess, oh yeah, oh yeah.

24:45 I think I read somewhere or or maybe I heard it in the director's comment that during the second mission for the Achress too, that they did place the psychophicer on board, whereas the first one may not have had one, and so they they had them there as a way to help the crew to deal with you know, these these the stress of a long journey. Yeah, and I think that, you know, we we get into the plot a little bit more later on, we'll see that maybe it Chris One could have used. A psych officer. Maybe to that end. Let's talk about Troy Garrity, who played Harvey, the second and command, the comms officer on this probably the only one that I don't think went on to to a list or close to its fame. But I think he did a great job. Of the problem is he did a great job at making us hate him. I really did not like Harvey.

25:42 I'll see. That's funny because, like Trey, Harvey is another person that I really sympathized for because everyone else knew what the situation was, and I think they were all they were all they were to some degree afraid, but they were resolute. I think Harvey was looking more like, you know, I want to now that you know, once it becomes the captain, you know, he wants to be able to take the situation that is completely out of his control, into his control so that he can somehow get back home. And I just there was there was, there was just something about his character. There was a sadness to it to him, very similar for me for Trey that I really, uh, I like, I liked his character.

26:30 You have all these brave people and then you have Harvey who who has this this this trait about him that's not maybe as as brave, as as as Mace or the ability to control your emotions like Corizon was. Yeah, I think you're spot on. I think maybe the reason I don't like his character is because I think his character is the most human. I think that's most likely what I would do in that situation. Absolutely, And you know, I want to see if we're sending the best of the best and the best and the brightest up to save humanity. I don't want them to send me. I'm not a good representative for that. You know, I have a lot of great qualities and not being down on myself. I've just that accurate self assessment here. And so that's maybe why I don't like him, because I see that weakness that I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, this come on man, like you knew what you signed up for, and even you know, talking about Cassie earlier, there's that moment where she realizes, like, it's different knowing that you're gonna die than thinking that you might die and dealing with that sadness. And you know, I fully expect everybody on the ship was dealing with that, but for him to basically just shut down and make some rather selfish decisions, and admittedly he gets talked down from it.

27:46 You know, going back to the scene with Mace that I enjoyed, he demands that he's the one that has to survive because he's in controls, he's in command. He does get talked down and he does accept the reality, unfortunately to his demise. But I think that the actor Troy Garrity did a great job of portraying that fear, and he gets kind of sweaty throughout the movie and he gets kind of shaky, and it really just shows that that deterioration. So last, but not LEAs this is not a big cast, so ordinarily I wouldn't go through the whole cast, but it's just wal to wall talent. So we got to talk about Mark Strong. He comes through in the third act change that if you read about this movie, is what turned a lot of people off as Pinbacker the Yes, I guess you could call him villain, the former captain, the captain of the Icarus one who essentially starts killing the crew and sabotage in the mission. How did you feel about Mark Strong's performance, So all of.

28:38 The other characters in this show are very realistic. The way in which they film Pinbacker and the way they alter his voice, there's almost a super natural element to him which makes him completely different from everyone else, and it makes it makes them very fascinating because you know, there there's a scene later on where where there's there's a kind of a type of scalpele that vibrates very very quickly, and it makes this this this vibrating noise. But sometimes the vibrating noise is kind of associated with him, and you see how how he kind of blends in with going back and forth. Uh, And I just I thought his character was was was very interesting. Uh. He was able to be both menacing and he also had a communication that they discover later on before he kind of transforms and there's a moment where he's he's describing you know, what is happening to Icarus one? As I believe it was like I might misspeak this one, but like little meteoroids or something that that had hit onto the shield and it had had done some damage, and and he just says something along the lines and it was it was beautiful, you know, and you're like, wait, what, That's not how I would describe this. So in case you know, our listeners haven't seen the film, to describe

30:10 what the Icarus is. Both ships there they look like an umbrella where the umbrella part is this giant reflective shield that as they're flying towards the sun, it's it's it's protecting what's behind it. And the actual ship itself is uh maybe the umbrella handle that that goes behind it and in front of In the working of the of the shield, they have this observation lounge where they have the ability to go in and the computer keeps the filtering at a level to where they can view what's in front of them without being burned, you know, by the by the ship. If if the filtering went away, it would be devastating to whoever was inside that that room.

31:01 And that's that's how both the Icarus one and the Icarus too, so any damage to those shields is damage to your life. It becomes a risk, and both ships take damage to that shield and at some point in the in the in the story, yeah, and. You mentioned it earlier with you know him, he's they never give you a good look at him after he's on board the Icarus too, And I think that's very intentional because he's this sort of mythic uh demonic force that they're facing, and he's very religious. He's claiming he's doing this on behalf of God. He's he's trying to stop us from humanity from being an affront to God.

31:45 And the way they've chosen to do that is interesting because he looks sunburned, like head to toe, like he's been living being just irradiated and sunburned, and the skin is falling off. There's there's some body horror later on where you just kind of see some his skin peeling away. And then his voice, you know, Mark Strong is he's a he's a London guy. He's got a very deep and really cool voice, but it's a very traditional London accent, whereas in this he's got this like I don't even really know how to define it. It's a little bit British, it's a little bit Eastern European. It feels very like Gothic almost accent that he puts on, and it makes all of his line reads seem otherworldly. And I think that that's a really interesting, really really cool choice.

32:28 He's he's very menacing. So if if it wasn't for pin Boker right in this show, I'm I'm afraid that what would cause the drama right would be some something contrived like a ship malfunction or so. And I really feel like that between like the observations of of of Cerril, you know, like we see this character, you know, and there's there's something a little bit off about him, and I thinking that maybe at some point and even the captain you know, enjoys a good sun bath as well. Yeah, but Searle seems like he could have become pen Poker if he can't.

33:16 Yeah, Yeah, that's one of the themes throughout this movie is sort of the you know, not just how we deal with adversity and we deal with mortality, but we deal with religion and spirituality and emotion as well. And I think that, yeah, Searle is only a few degrees separate from Pinbacker, and I'm not sure exactly what is that makes him different. Maybe it's the joy that he has in it. Maybe he doesn't necessarily take it to a spiritual level, although he does refer to the sun bath as a spiritual experience. Sure, but yeah, yeah, to your point, I think without without Pinbacker, the movie would the third act would have been very strange. With Pinbacker, the third act is very strange, but in a different way.

33:56 Oh definitely. So we'll get into a little bit of the product here in a minute. But now it's a great time for a pomp promo break, all right, So let's talk a little bit about the production of this movie. So it's based on a script by Alex Garland, who is a twenty four's sci fi darling. He did Ex Machina, Annihilation, most recently Civil War, which is fantastic. He'd written several great scripts before directing, though he did Dread, which I think is great. Obviously he did this so Danny Boyle loved script. They started filming in two thousand and five in London on August twenty third, my birthday, and they filmed at Three Walls Studio, He used seventeen different sets and several miniatures and models. They filmed on thirty five millimeter anamorphic film, which I absolutely love. It was a choice that really lets the darks come through, it lets the light really feel different. It creates those lens flares and those bright golden lights.

34:56 It was a great, great choice. There is a look, there is a look when shooting on film that when it's digital, you know, and you just don't get the same the same feeling for it, And I thought that this film looked fantastic because of that. Yeah, it really like the sun. It feels like its own character almost, not just the beautiful visual shots of the sun itself, but when the sun's in the room, it definitely it changes the texture of it. Because Boyle had switched to digital when he was filming twenty eight days later, so this was definitely a move back to film, which I think was just absolutely the right call. Most of the footage is actually inside the ship too, which we talked earlier about influences from Alien and dosput to create that really claustrophobic feeling.

35:43 The outside shots really are only when it's necessary for the the logistics of the mission and there's only one shot on Earth, which was a very specific choice to not cut back to Earth at all, which is filmed in Stockholm, Sweden. It's a snowy shot. Oh yeah, so it's filmed in Stockholm, Sweden. You got this beautiful snowy shot with monoliths. But the shot then at the end, I love this kind of pans around and you can see that it's Australia. You see this Sidney opera house, which is really cool because it's you know, it shows how the sun going out has affected everything. But it's a great choice to just use such an iconic location as well. It's immediately reckon. You know exactly where you are when you say that. And I was surprised when I found out that it wasn't in Australia, mainly because I don't think they had the budget. Yeah, I mean it was.

36:33 It was definitely a low budget film, so it was actually to that end. It was filmed on forty million dollars, which Boyle likes to work low budget. It only made thirty five million though, so it was pretty well considered a flop. Unfortunately. I think that's that's dreadful. I think everybody should have seen this, As you said, seeing it in theaters was a great experience. There's so many shots. The one that always comes out to my mind is the one of mercury passing in front. Of the Oh. Yeah, but it's beautiful and best stay on it. Yes, that mercury transit where it passes in front of the sun. And this is a scene where everyone is gathered inside that observation room. And in the director's commentary, he originally said that that they were going to have like voiceovers of what they were thinking as they were watching this, but he left it out, and I think it was way more impactful to just be in the moment.

37:35 Yeah, I think we as the viewer really get to appreciate it because, like we sit on that shot for a while. You know, there's no dialogue, there's just there's a guitar playing. It's like an electric guitar, but it's not like some big, grand epic score. It feels very personal and I think it allows us to be in that moment with it and seeing that in the theater and admittedly, you know, this movie didn't do that well. I remember being in the theater and there was not many people in there with me. So it did wow, very personal, and I specifically remember that I don't remember a lot of my specific movie going experiences like that. So, and Mercury is not the largest planet in our solar system, and it's like that's slutely but still it's a planet. It would be if they're right up to it, they would be much it would be much larger to them.

38:22 But it is just absolutely dwarfed by the size of the Sun. And it just really, I mean, it just really if you're watching it, you know, and you haven't really thought about it because you look and you see the Sun and it's you know, as far as ways it is, you don't really think about how how big this is. And and this movie really gets you to think about, hey, if this something started cooling down with the Sun, you know how I mean, it would destroy us. Yeah, and this I think Couples went really nicely with the opening shot you were talking about of Searle sitting in there taking his sun bath for lack of a better name, because between the two of them, it really makes this It puts you in this perspective for the Sun is so imposing. A couple times during production, depending on who you listened, to They describe it as godlike, and I think it sort of has that influence, especially later on as we're introduced to Pinbacker. It definitely affects our understanding of them, saying, you know, you're currently looking at two percent. He's like, well, can I go to four percent? And they're like, no, four percent would cause irreparable damage to your retinas. He's like, what's the most I could do? It's three point one percent for thirty seconds, and just the idea that that is the absolute most he can endure. Yeah, and it's only three point one percent for thirty seconds. So you combine that with this shot of as you said, seeing this tiny little planet traversing the Sun is just it's absolutely gorgeous.

39:51 Of course, later pin Bocker says, hold my beer. Yeah, Well, and you know it's it really sets up that beautiful moment with Cearl when one of them has to stay back behind on the Icarus one. Yeah, and you know, he makes the up take, takes the opportunity to sit there and as Chris Two's mirror moves away and exposes him. You know, it's I feel. Like suicide is the wrong choice of words, because he didn't really have much in the way of a choice, but it's it's an interesting moment, and I think that this really sets us up for the grandeur of that moment later on. It was inevitable, right, he was doomed and exactly. Yeah, So we've talked about a couple really notable scenes already, but I want to take a moment, what are some scenes in this movie that really stand out as notable turning points or cruxes of the movie.

40:44 When we already talked about one of them, of course, the Mercury Mercury transit was just just very impactful. So the scene after Kapa comes back from Icarus and Kapa and the remaining crew are on board and they've realized now that so pen Baker sabotages the air lock and they have to make a jump through space. And so Harvey is is telling Kappa, who's gotten into the space suit, that that he orders him out of that space suit, that he has to get out, and uh, Mace looks at him and he goes, You're basically saying, you know, Coppa is the only one who knows how to how to operate the h the payload. You know, he's the most important you know, Uh, and and Harvey says something along the lines of you know, well, I'm not unimportant, uh in there. Yeah, And then they realize that they're able to make the jump between the ships where you know, even though Kappa is in a suit, they will be exposed to space, into the cold of space. But you know, if if if the the trajectory of when they opened up the air lock happens, they'll shoot straight across like a shotgun. And so they go across, and and and Coppo kind of is right on target. He helps Mace get into the air lock. But unfortunately, as Harvey comes out,

42:14 he hits the one of the part of the Icarus one and he starts going off the course and you just see him slowly freezing, uh. And then you know, he hits a part of the the gantries or the antennas, and he starts to break apart. And then just as soon as he starts to float past the shield, you just see him kind of like out of existence, you know, like a like a a fly hitting hitting a fly zapp or you know. And and it was just it was just it's weirdly beautiful. It's beautiful. And when I said, I felt really bad for Harvey. That was really that scene, because you know, he just he just wanted to go home.

42:56 But then shortly after that, the other pivotal moment that was following right after this is that the crew decides that they're going to vote on whether or not to kill Trey because they feel that Trey was the person who sabotaged. They don't yet know that there's now a new person on board the ship, that Penboker has actually been on board the Icarus one for seven years and he's been transformed, and now that he's he's he was responsible for disabling the computer so that it could not deliver the payload. And then to me, it implied to me, I interpreted that he actually killed the crew. I don't know if the crew was part of it or what, but that's kind of what I took away from it, because, you know, they kept talking about how you can maintain oxygen, you know, if you have less people, So for him, it would be advantageous to have no one there. But he makes the jump over to the Charus too, and he's going to start doing the same thing, but they don't know that he's there yet, and they're having to make this decision about whether to go and kill Trey, and it has to be a unanimous vote. It's it's no, we're not leaving it to the scientist this time to say, you know, you know you're you make this decision. It's now a vote. And I just I just loved that.

44:21 It was the character of Cassie who just said, you asked me if I'm going to vote, I can't do this. I'm not want to do this. That scene is so great too, because it's so powerful. Oh my gosh. Yeah, you know you've got Michelle Yo's Corey, who she's been the one saying this whole time, we don't have enough oxygen for everybody that you know, we have enough oxygen. This is how much we have to get us to pay a little delivery. So she knows the math. And you know, we know Mace's character at this point, he'll kill anybody, he'll kill himself. He doesn't care as long as we complete the mission. So it really comes down to Kappa, who you can just see the defeat in his eyes, but he knows the math and he's like, yeah, yeah, what do you want me to say? You know, kill him? Like he doesn't have the other. He has no other input.

45:01 So it's a beautiful scene where she knows just like they do. She understands the math and just can't give that go ahead. She doesn't necessarily say no, but she's unwilling to say yes. And I love that that hard line of you know, even in the face of this, you know, I want to maintain some shred of my humanity because they all know that they're not going to make it home by this point. And it's it's interesting too, because the point becomes moot because you know, Trey has has woken up enough to take his own life. Much like everybody else, he knew the weight of what was going on. And then it becomes moot again when Pinbacker's on board, and now you know, we have this this crazy problem to deal with. So I love that they gave us that moment instead of just going straight to the fear and the horror.

45:46 Okay, So I interpreted trade differently than you did. Okay. So I interpreted that that Trey did not commit suicide, but he was killed by Penbacker because Mace was that. Mace goes back to to to do the deed, if you will, and he opens up this tray and in the tray there are those scalpels, and there's two of them are already missing, Okay, so you're you know, he picks up one, and then he goes in he sees tray tray is is is in the what they call the earth room, and it's kind of like the hollow deck, if you will. And and he has the slits on his on his wrist, and you can see the scalpel is there by his leg. And then later you realize that Penbroker has the other scalpel. I interpreted that that he didn't kill himself, but that because two of them were missing, that that Penbroker had killed him and set him up like that in much the same way that he ultimately kills Corey and sets her up kind of in that yoga pose with the sprout that she found in the ruins of the oxygen garden. And that was that was my take.

47:02 It's funny because they don't specify either way. I think because earlier on, when you know he had made the mistake that potentially cost him the mission, he's doped up and placed on a suicide watch. And you know, the captain even says, I don't think anybody here is going to argue with that assessment. So it's very much set up that that's where his head's at, but they never specified, right, it kind of could go either way. It's the same with the crew on board the Icarus one. I was trying to find out that you know that they all decide to go in the room together, or you know, was that done to them? So it's interesting that you and I view it so differently because I assumed everybody on Icarus one, when they realized their mission was over and they couldn't see, they chose to do that to themselves. Yeah, but yeah, it could have absolutely been Pinbacker. It's sabotaging and killing. See. Okay, so this is what I like about the movie. Okay, it's like two thousand and one. Right when you get to the end of two thousand and one, do you really have an ending? Right? You have? You have how the movie comes to its conclusion, But what it means is one hundred percent up to you. It's not all spelled out to you, and it gives it gives the story enough room to let it breathe for different people who are coming in to watch it. Uh, and you get to walk away with what your own interpretations of it is.

48:23 And and and I think the you know, the the whole idea of of of either religion versus science or or that that take that they were having in there. Yeah, and especially the third act with Pinbacker, I think, you know, as we talk about the Son being this godlike entity and he's a very religious man, and he's talking about I'm an agent of God and all this stuff, they don't say that he is. They don't say that he isn't you don't know if this is just a crazy guy who's managed to survive, or if this really is some supernatural force that's terrorizing them and trying to prevent them. And I love that the lack of answers. You know, we don't even really understand the payload, as they say, you know, it's entirely theoretical. So it's a very interesting ending as the payloads set off and you get this beautiful, beautiful shot really understand what's going on.

49:16 There's no way to understand what's going on. And that's a really cool choice. What's awesome is is too because like there's the uh, you know, they they had the uh, the physicist who worked along with them. I believe it's the same physicists who work with Killian that they were like, what would happen if you're on board this payload and you're accelerating down what happens to a person? You know, and he gets to the point and like, you know, we really don't know at this point because you know, what does something happen with time and space? What's going on here? Because these are just things we can't possibly know, And so I think in some cases they don't address it, you know, in order to serve the story. Like if you notice there's somehow there's artificial gravity in the ship and there's nothing that would be providing that in real life for them. So like, I like that in sci fi were sometimes you need sometimes you need reality.

50:22 I love Andy Weir and I love his books, and I love you know, The Martian, but sometimes you need to be like, it's sci fi and I just need this to happen for the story to make sense. So we're just gonna let it go because at the end, it's the story. It is the story that is driving It's it's not the you know, well, actually they needs huge to be able for that to happen. You know, like in two thousand and want No. I mean, because at this point you're not even thinking about that, you know. Like I said earlier, the special effects in this movie are amazing. I think post production was like a year because Danny wanted only to use a single house as opposed to farming at all out all over the place like you see at the end of movies. It was done by one production house and it just looks so good, and man, what a what a production.

51:11 Yeah, I mean, we're coming up on twenty years later and it still looks beautiful. So it looks it looks absolutely great choice. So as far as pivotal scenes, though, I got to go back a little earlier in the film to the moment they received the distress call from Icarus One. This sort of sets the events of the movie in motion. Were it not for the scene, they would probably have a pretty uneventful path to the sun and back home. But they as they're debating this choice, I'm curious what they're faced with is we have a distress call from Chris One and we're going to pass pretty dang close. I think they said like fifteen thousand miles, which in the terms of space is like passing right by the Icarus one and they all agree, thankfully. I think some sci fi I would have probably delved into this idea of like, we've got to go check and see if they're alive. It's the human thing to do.

52:04 But I love that everybody on board is like, no, they're expendable. We're expendable. This mission is too important. They just skip right over that. Nobody's gonna argue at that point. Yeah, but then they get to is it worth the risk of having a second potential payload for the risk of adjusting our mission? We now know, with the benefit of hindsight, that was a terrible call. But I'm curious what your thoughts are, you know, with the situation given to them, where do you land on that choice? So, Okay, every great science fiction movie they introduce the ship, then they introduce the crew, and then there's the mysterious signal, and if they if any movie just never answered the signal, there wouldn't be any drama whatsoever. So they absolutely had to go to the I mean, I think that the possibility of having two payloads versus one, just due to the to what this potentially means to all of Earth.

53:13 Everyone else. Uh, it's it's too big of a of an opportunity to pass up. What they don't know is that they don't know that pen Boker has been there all seven years. He's completely sabotaged a computer. The ship cannot move. So if the ship can't move, it can't move the shield, it can't move the payload into position. It's it's worthless. They didn't know that though, So and just to comment on that. On the signal that they're getting of of of the of the chorus ones distress signal, those were based on sounds from space that they have recorded. Uh.

53:53 And the there's there's a there's a credit at the end of the movie for it, and in Murphy's score for this with them him and Underworld, there's just a whole track where it has that sound played throughout it. It's if you like this movie and you haven't listened to the soundtrack, it's really good. Yeah. I love the way they did the soundtrack too, because, unlike some other ones, they had filmed and edited the whole movie and then gave it to John Murphy and Underworld and let them kind of the word that I read was improvised. I don't think that's necessarily accurate, but sort of play to watching the movie, and I think that there's a couple places where it's necessarly a song that you hear. It's just some notes or a soundscape, but it's so good. It's reminiscent of like John Carpenter's The Thing Sounds you Hear in you know, on the the Nostromo and Aliens or alien rather, And I absolutely love that because I think you could have gone the John Williams route, the big dramatic score, and it would have been good, but I don't think it would have been quite as personal as this movie is. And that's what I think of about Danny Boyle. He makes very personal films, even when they're in space outside the sun.

55:05 All right, well, is there anything else specifically about any of the scenes in this movie you wanted to discuss that we haven't touched on yet. No, you touched on the ending a little bit. I thought that Kappa's resolution of his story was beautiful, and I will leave that for people to discover themselves on it and let them come away with how they want to interpret that final scene, because it was I thought it was really really well done. I'm overly gushing about this film. Yeah, I trust me, I could do it all day. I feel you, and I do want to say, because we touched on it earlier, I've read several views like you mentioned that say that this movie was good until the third act and it kind of took it a detour.

55:51 That was actually my initial interpretation as well. First time I saw it, I was like, it kind of went off the rails. Now that've had time to process it really think about the themes and what the movie is trying to do. I actually really love the third act. Yeah, but I totally understand if you watch this movie and you're like, what the hell is that? That took a weird turn? It's different for sure. Yeah yeah, yeah, So, I mean the first two acts it is a hardcore science fiction show. As we discussed, we stopped, we talked about it. It starts off as two thousand and one, it ends as Jason X. You know, yeah, you're one hundred percent right. It's got a very horror like quality to that last act, but it works beautifully. So we're talking today about Danny Boyle.

56:38 Danny has done amazing work starting the nineties with I think his first movie is Shallow Grave, but I think he was first, at least in my mind, came to the Spotlight with Trainspotting. What are your thoughts on Danny as a director. The biggest compliment that I can give to a director, though, is if I have remembered who they are. And when a Danny Boyle film comes out into the theater, and that's I want to make sure that I try to make it out to go and see it. So but there's there's some of them that I mean, I'm just realizing was his film, and I didn't realize it at the time, Like one hundred and twenty seven Hours, I didn't realize that that was his his his film at all.

57:20 But you know, I think I mentioned earlier that I liked I love zombie movies. I love his take on zombies. I am. I am a diet in the Wold George Romero. They walk slow, but you know, it's it's the rage virus, so they're not zombies. So it doesn't they're not zombies, you know, But so I I mean, I just I just learned that twenty eight years Later is in production and that some photographs have dropped on that, and it's it's scheduled. For twenty twenty five. So today was like just like a great day of news for me, for Danny Boil, but also for a conclusion of of of a series of films that I really really enjoyed.

58:07 Yeah, I'm really excited about that one as well. I think, you know, you kind of hit the nail on the head with something earlier. Is a lot of times you watch a Danny Boyle movie and it doesn't uh the way you watch a Christopher Nolan film. You can feel like, oh, this is a Nolan film, yeah, or Tarantino. You just it's the style, it's the tone, it's the the language. You can just conversations exactly. And one of the things I love about Danny Boyle is I feel like he's a little bit more of a chameleon. He looks at what the movie needs and goes, Okay, this is the style we're gonna do, and it's you know, it's always interesting. He always kind of puts his own spin on it, but it feels more like this is what this movie needs. I don't think you could watch to your point one hundred and twenty seven hours and then go watch Yesterday and then go watch Sunshine. There's no way in hell I would guess those are the songs man he did yesterday.

58:53 Yeah, the one with the songs. Yeah. I interested that movie. Yeah, totally, could not be more different then the other movies we've discussed, but it's still great. I still love it and they all feel very personal and that's why I think, Well, I'm a big fan of him. Yeah, yeah, now he's yeah, this is really good. Right. Well, I want to give you a couple of fun facts about Danny Boyle here before we go through his small filmography, which I'm tempted to do, but we won't. So one of the things I really like is during COVID, Danny Boyle was there had been directing Frankenstein Mary Shelley's Frankenstein at the London Theater and as a way of helping people who were stuck inside, he actually released it for free online so you could watch. And he had done two different versions, so both Johnny Lee Miller and Benedict Cumberbatch were playing doctor Frankenstein and the monster Oh Wow.

59:44 And then they would alternate roles, so they both played both roles depending on when you would to see it. They released both versions of it online. I watched it. I watched the version where Cumberbatch was the monster, and it was fantastic. I also thought it was funny that he had two active Sherlock Holmes's at the time, I'm playing the two roles, but fantastic. He does a lot of live theater. If you're into live theater in London, he's I think that that personal element to his work translates to theater really nicely. Also, and this is one that I'm a little upset about. I've talked about how much I love him. As a director, he was offered a lot of really great franchises. He was offered to make one of the Scream movies. I believe it was Scream four when they were trying to reboot the franchise.

1:00:28 He was also offered what ended up becoming No Time to Die, the James Bond film, Daniel Craig's last. He ended up leaving that to work on some other projects, and then he was also offered Alien four, which then became Alien Resurrection, which is terrible, isn't I mean, I don't we don't have to go down that road. But I would have loved to see a Danny Boyle Alien movie. I still would if he ever wants to get on that, I fully support it. So he's had the opportunity to make these great franchise films, but he likes to do much more intimate, much more personal stories, and I love that. Yeah, I'm kind of glad he hasn't done like these big, big name franchises. And you know, even even like if you say the twenty eight Days series is his own franchise, I like that he's not big like that.

1:01:25 This is also something that I found really interesting, given that we talked about how this movie Sunshine essentially reaffirmed Killian Murphy's atheism, I found that Danny Boyle was actually named Britain's most influential Roman Catholic. I don't know exactly know how much competition there was for that role, but I just thought that was a very specific thing that the Roman Catholic Church was like, we got to single this guy out, and I was. Like, I've I've watched most of his movies. I didn't really get a whole lot of Catholicism from that, but I mean, hey, good for you guys. I guess then I read somewhere that he was originally studying to be a priest. That's true. Yeah, earlier early on, which leads into one of my absolute favorite quotes from this guy, because it.

1:02:06 Was actually early on. He was a young man of twenty one when he went to the theater and saw Apocalypse Now, and the way he describes it, I think is awesome. He said it had eviscerated my brain completely. I was an impressionable twenty one year old guy from the sticks. My brain had not been fed and watered with great culture, you know, the way art's meant to. It had been sand blasted by the power of cinema. And that's why cinema, despite everything we try to do, it remains a young man's medium really in terms of the audience. And I think that's got a punk rock vibe, like art should really hit you and it should change you and should impact you, and it's a young man's medium. It's a very punk rock way of describing film, and I love that about him. All right, So let's wrap things up a little bit.

1:02:48 I want to talk about your take on Danny Boyle. If you are introducing somebody, they just heard us talk about Sunshine, they want to know more. Danny Boyle what three films would you say they need to watch? Okay, so you know, I'm going back now, and I've pulled this up because I was just blown away by yesterday and I didn't realize that he had done yesterday. So of course I've already talked about twenty eight days Later. So I'm going to recommend someone go and watch twenty eight days Later. But I really like the sequel to that twenty eight weeks Later with Jeremy Renner, because there is a scene in there. I already said I'm a slow walker kind of zombie guy, but there's a scene in there where a raged infected person bites another person and they're in this underground they're locked in and you can just see it spreading through people. And after having come through the COVID virus, you know, it's like that now.

1:03:47 Really it used to be scary, Now it's terrifying. So I actually like the sequel just as much as the original. But that's not going to be my second one. You will do yourself a disservice if you don't watch Train Spinning, because that is that is a a great film in terms of uh just it was my first introduction to you and McGregor and uh, there is a there is just an absolute scene with the song, Uh, it's such a lovely day. That's that's that's going along with an an overdose of heroin or whatever their drug of choice was.

1:04:32 And then the last film, just to kind of now go from zombies to the drug users all the way over to the other side of the world, you have to do slum Dog Millionaire because that film, it ends you're just feeling good, you know, you want to dance, you know, with everyone else. And I I remember seeing that that film as a part of a Academy Award nomination package. It wasn't what I went in for, but it turned out to be one of the films that I enjoyed most that year that were nominated for Academy Awards. Yeah, that one, that one blew me away. The first time I saw it was that was the world's introduction to Dev Patel and he's amazing. Yes, it was a very textural film. I remember watching. It's like you just kind of feel the sweat or you feel the dirt, and then you feel the bright city and you feel that like the slums, and it was just it's so good.

1:05:24 That one sticks with you like I feel like you feel that one for a while after you all right, Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna tweak that list a little bit. We've already talked about Sunshine, so I'm not gonna write. If we hadn't just spent an hour talking about it, I would say that's number one on my list, because I do think it's his most underrated classic. But I'm gonna say one hundred and twenty seven hours. I'm a big hiker. I love that southern Utah southwest area. I specifically remember my grandfather who I loved hiking with. He would he told me the story of Aaron Ralston. He called me, he was like, did you hear about this guy? And so I was so fascinated and I was really nervous. I was like, how do you make that into like a full length movie? And he's stuck, He's stuck in rock Like it's an amazing story, but how do you make that into a movie? And the way he did it, the realism he captured, and he said something to the effect of, you know, technical factual accuracy is important to a point, but sometimes tweaking the story actually makes it more real and he worked really closely with Aaron Ralston making this film that they actually had Aaron's like footage of himself and everything, and he say, you know, listening to him talk about I want this to be accurate, but I do want to make some changes to make it more true. And I think that's a really cool concept that he nailed. Next what it's going to say yesterday, Mostly because again I think people you hear Danny Boyle, you think, twenty eight days later, you think these really some dog, these really intense movies, and then the reaction you made when you realize he was I'm still.

1:06:52 Blown I'm still blown away. I'm stunned by this. Yeah, And I love that movie. It's it's it's got some romantic comedy energy, it's got some musical energy, and it's just it's it's happy. It's a very joyful movie. It has time travel. It's time travel, well not time travel, but alternate reality kind of thing. It's it's it's my it's it's something that I just I love this concept. And I remember somebody uh showing me the trailer and I'm talking to my boss about it, and my boss realizes that my beatles knowledge is no good, it's not I mean death Dave. I'm sorry. I have since reconciled that.

1:07:36 Thank you to Apples and Oranges podcast. But at the time, I was, I was a new but I didn't even know. I couldn't tell you what a yellow submarine or a rubber shoe, which which one was different? So I mean, I was, I was. I was terrible at the time. But I love their songs, the ones that I know of, and I just I loved this movie a lot. And you know, I'm sitting here looking at the list. You know, I said one hundred and twenty seven seven hours and yesterday, I'm going to give it sunshine. I have to. I think it's it's it sticks with me. I think about it a lot. It's got this bleakness mixed with hope that is is really cool, and I think it's indicative of really good sci fi, which kind of has those philosophical and emotional tales told in a very strange setting.

1:08:24 The bleakness feels very intentional, and it makes the hope kind of shine like there's actually a really good quote. So when talking about the Icarus, uh, that's the name of the ship, and as you pointed, out Itchris is a kind of a silly name if you're flying to the sun a Chris's story didn't end great with the sun. Uh. And when talking about that, he said, yeah, I did that very intentionally because I wanted it to feel bleak. I wanted it to feel doomed. He said, you know, if this was an American ship, they would have they would have called it something optimistic, like the Spirit of Hope or the Ship of Destiny. They would sacrifice all plausibility because that would be hope. And he specifically didn't want that. And I just think that's that's such a cool choice. And so I don't think he's ever going to do another sci fi. He's bigificly said, I don't want to work in space again. That was exhausting spiritually and physically. So we're not going to get more Danny Boyle sci fi. So I was going to say, so we're not going to get our alien, are we?

1:09:23 Unfortunately probably not. He has set on many occasions he does not want to dip his toe back into that because he was really scared of it. He's not he did it, but it was too much. Well, hey, if this is the science fiction film that we got from Danny Boyle. When you approach this film, you're either going to accept the third act or you're just going to turn away from it, or you're going to embrace it and see that this is the logical ending of how this was supposed to end. And depending on where you fall in on that is is going to really drive how you like this film. But technically the movie is just really I would say, flawless, And this is a film that you know, I'm not sure I went to go look and buy it on physical media. That's my highest compliment, is like once I've I've rented it and I want to own it, but it wasn't in four K yet, so I don't know if I want to if I want if I'm holding out for the four K for this, I I've looked, I can't find it.

1:10:30 You might be you might have to bite the bullet because yeah, this movie didn't do well financially. But that kind of answered my next question. I was going to say, what do you recommend this? Yeah, so how do you watch it? Yeah? Uh uh, you know, I can't remember which which streaming thing I had it on. I think I might even purchased it off of a Prime or one of those to watch it. Yeah, I if you want to watch online, you do have to pay for it. I couldn't find it for free anywhere, thankfully. I do have the DVD of it, not four K unfortunately, but I highly recommend it. If you're a sci fi fan, it's definitely worth a buy. You can find it streaming. You can purchase it on Amazon or Apple TV, but as far as I know, it's not streaming for you anywhere now. So listeners, let us know if you've seen this movie, let us know what you think. Feel free to reach out to us.

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1:12:01 I really enjoyed listening to you guys. Next week you can find us here where Amber Lewis is going to be talking about Michael Crichton's Runaway. Yeah, I'm excited about that one. I always loved listening to Amber. She's always got a fun take on things. You can also write to us at a film by podcast at gmail dot com. And you can always also find us on Patreon where you can hear more of my sultry voice, where Jeff and I do our ten for two. We get to discuss fun little scenes for ten minutes. Absolutely one of my favorite things to do. We've got some really good ones in the works. And you can find more of Chuck as he guested on what episode was that you were on right on the Patreon.

1:12:43 Oh, that was with Deadly Friend with my new friend Amanda jannick Fit. Yeah, you can listen to Chuck with Deadly Friend on the Patreon as well. And Chuck, what can we expect to hear from you in the future? I know you've got your your new podcast. I just listened to the French Connection episode knocked it out of the park. I'm really excited to see what you guys on coming up. Thank you. Yeah. So we're Matt and I are my partner. We're just starting off. This is we did our first our first episode with a French Connection. As you said, this Saturday. We're getting together and we're going to go from nineteen seventy one and we're going to dial the wayback machine a little bit later in the decade to nineteen seventy nine, and we're going to watch Breaking Away, which is for me, an introduction, introductory movie to a lot of actors who went on to be very famous.

1:13:42 So I hope everyone will join us. You can find us on all the major streaming podcast platforms, and we're on Facebook at Cinematic Flashback and you can connect with us there. I'm excited. I'll tell you just one episode in, I was really impressed with you guys. It sounds like you've been doing this for a while. You got a great banter, great ma's got a great voice for podcast. Oh yeah, yeah, So I'm excited to hear what you guys got in store, But thank you for listening, thank you for putting up with me hosting my first episode, and to all of you out there, thanks for listening. Remember we are only stardust.