July 12, 2026

David Mamet - Heist

David Mamet - Heist

Summer Guest House Series! With most of the team on vacation, what better time to invite some friends over to cohost? This week, Jeff welcomes Chuck Bryan and Matt Sargent from Cinematic Flashback Podcast to discuss Gene Hackman, can't-miss heist...

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Season 7
Summer Guest House Series!

With most of the team on vacation, what better time to invite some friends over to cohost? This week, Jeff welcomes Chuck Bryan and Matt Sargent from Cinematic Flashback Podcast to discuss Gene Hackman, can't-miss heist films, and the brilliance of David Mamet's writing as they celebrate the 25th anniversary of his 2001 crime thriller, Heist!

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I mean knowing who you guys are. If we're talking

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top five heist movies of the nineteen seventies, I need

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your your thoughts on and if I miss one, please

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you know, because you guys are the experts when it

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comes to the nineteen seventies. If I miss one that

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should be in the top five, you you tell me.

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All right, I've got nineteen seventy threes, The Sting, nineteen

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seventy five's Dog Day Afternoon m H, nineteen seventy four's

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The Taking of Pelham one two three, YEP, nineteen seventy

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two's The Getaway, and finally I'm gonna round out my

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top five with nineteen seventy four's Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. Wow,

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now you guys are really good.

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You've just actually rewritten some of our our show prep

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for next week.

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So uh well, you got you guys. You guys covered

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like you guys did amazing episodes. You guys covered the Sting,

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you covered the Taking a Pelelem one two three, and

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you you recently did the Getaway. I'm a big steep

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between guys, So I was when you guys covered that one. Madam?

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I missing? Am I missing something?

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I think you're missing the French Connection. I think The

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French Connection is a heist film.

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Would we called you call that a heist film? Not

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not like you know, like a crime like an action film,

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a crime drama.

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Well, if you look at it from the side of

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the frenchman, I mean it was okay, trying.

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From the from the from the connection that was French,

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you know, like, yeah, trying to pull one.

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It might not exactly be a heist film to me.

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It had the planning, you know, the planning and orchestration

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and the kind of slights and you know, things that

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were going on. You just we saw it from the

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policeman's side, trying to unra Okay, right, That's what I

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think The French Connection is. And it's just such a

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great movie. It's also you know, happens to have Gene

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Hackman in it.

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So I mean seven you guys, well, you guys definitely

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know a thing or two about seventies Hackman. Uh uh,

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what what am I missing on? What am I missing

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off this list?

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You know you've got the actor from The Taking a

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Pelm one, two three, Walter mathout.

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Okay, I'm gonna.

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Say a little scene film or probably one that's been forgotten,

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but it's one you need to watch. It's Don Siegel's

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Charlie Verrick and that also stars Walter Mathout, and it's

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it to me. I feel so much like some of

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the some of the connective DNA feels a lot like

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Heist does because Matthow's character, Charlie Verrick is kind of

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cut from the same mold of cloth that Joe is

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in Heist.

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S Fury, I think check is right on, and I

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think you also have the the well orchestrated plans, secret plans,

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and possible betrayals all built in in Charlie Verrick as well.

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Let's talk about a different heist movie. Let's talk about

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a film by David mammontt his two thousand and one

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crime caper titled Heist. Hello and welcome back. I'm Jeff

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Johnson and this is a film by podcast. As you

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guys know, we mentioned this last week. Most of the

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teams on vacation, so I have been calling in some favors.

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I've got some pretty awesome guests I've been trying to

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line up, and today I am super excited because while

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a lot of you are probably knowing the name Chuck

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Bryan because he has been with us a couple of times.

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We've got the full package. Today. We have got Chuck,

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Brian and Matt Sargent, which means we have got the

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Cinematic Flashback podcast with us today. Guys. It is awesome

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to be talking with you guys. I think the last

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time we were all together it was on the Jaws episode.

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Hey you guys, good memory, Good memory. We did that

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last last summer. What a lot of fun that episode was.

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That was a great experience.

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That listeners, if you want to, you've probably heard. You

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think you've heard everything about Jaws. You think you've listened

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to every podcast about Jaws. But what these guys came

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up with the questions. I don't know if I've had

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that much fun on on like on a podcast ever.

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So you guys, you gotta check out the Jaws episode

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on Cinematic Flashback. That was awesome.

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Yeah, I definitely think that that. My cheeks were hurting

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at the end just from smiling so much in that

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I'll be honest with you on that one, I was

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caught a little flat footed. I did not realize how

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talented you guys were, and I always just grasp and

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you know, just holding on by my fingertips. That came

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up with good singers. But but no, that was a blast.

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We have to do that again. It was. It was

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really fun and I think it went, it flowed well,

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it was, it was quick and because I I don't

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listen to our podcast one hundred percent of the time,

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but I definitely listened to that one and I had fun.

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Let's think it was great.

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It was fantastic. You guys, you're in your second season. Now.

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For those listeners out there, what have you guys been

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up to this season? They're just now finding out about

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the cinemat flashback.

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Well, first of all, go over to your any podcast

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app all the usual locations and subscribe. I mean, you're

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going to love it. It is the best seventies movies podcast,

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where all we do is nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy nine,

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and it breaks our heart when we see something in

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nineteen eighty or nineteen eighty one that's really really good

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because we knew it was maybe made in the seventies,

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but we're keeping within that decade because there was such

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a giant shift in cinema going from the late sixties

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and then how it changed by the time we got

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to the eighties, and it kind of feels like that

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the seventies cinema is something that's really really special and

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it's different, and there's just stuff that you can no

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longer get away with that they were getting away with

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back then. And the other great thing is that it

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is a decade full of movies that I have never seen,

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and so Matt a lot of times will have seen these,

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or he would have seen parts of them, or he

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has a story about his relationship to a movie. And

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for me, I'm like, I was watching The Apple Dumpling Gang.

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Yeah that is Ahndred. Yeah, it's one hundred percent true.

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What Chuck was saying is said I lived through most

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of these. I was. I turned ten years old in

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nineteen seventy one, and I obviously was what eighteen in

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nineteen seventy nine, so I graduated from high school in

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nineteen eighty. So this is the sweet spot for me.

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Yeah, yeah, I do, I do.

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I do.

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Love It's rare when Matt's like, this was the first

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time watch for me. You know, Usually he's always like, oh,

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I remember I went to the theater and I saw this.

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He's always got a great story. I love it.

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It always surprises me when he says I haven't seen

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that film, and so then I'm like, yes, So now

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I've been steering. I got some movies coming up that

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I've been steering towards him of like, I don't think

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he's seen these. He's like, I haven't seen them, and

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I'm like, yes, I can't I can't wait.

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I'll be honest. Recently, you guys covered one of my

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all time favorite Spielberg films. You Got You did an

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episode on Duel and look True Truth be told. We

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covered it last season and I have to point out

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the cinematic flashback. Did it better? Yes, Oh, I'm calling it.

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I'm calling it like I see it. Wow, I own

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I own the film. I've researched the film. And still

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you guys you taught me about the movie as much

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as you entertained me. So thank you for that. Yeah,

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when you're like Duel, I was like, oh yeah, I

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was like, well, we'll see what they come up with.

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And I loved it. I love what you guys did

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on that one.

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That was a fun one. That was a fun one.

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Yeah. One of the things you'll notice in season two

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is we're starting to do we only we we only

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publish twice a month, and so what we end up

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doing this season is that we've been pairing the movies

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together along a theme. I noticed that, yeah, and it actually,

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first of all, it helps kind of drive our focus.

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And so when we did Duel, that was our Origin

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Stories month where we paired a duel with George Lucas's

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THHX eleven thirty eight, Because I mean, when you think seventies,

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especially in the mid seventies, that's when George Lucas came

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out with Star Wars, and that's when Spielberg came out

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with Jaws. But then it's like, okay, but what was

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the first movie? And you see a lot of you know,

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one was definitely much more approachable than the other, but

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you still see connect you see the connective tissue towards

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the other movies. And that's what made it really interesting

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for me.

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Well, before this becomes a seventies podcast, because I'm not.

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Going and you know, welcome, Before I before I lose

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my list of your show, let's talk.

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About David mammontt for a quick moment. I got I

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guess I got three things and a quote about Mammot.

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Now you got and you guys, you know, Mammot's been

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in the game for a while. You guys might know

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some of this stuff. But uh, I'll tell you this,

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uh based uh you know, he based his play Glengarry

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Glenn Ross, which happened to win the nineteen eighty four

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Pulitzer Prize for Drama. Uh. He based that play on

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his time working in a real estate office. Actually was

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you know, Shelley the machine, you know, or maybe he was,

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maybe he was Ricky Roma. I don't know, but he

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was there.

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Closing.

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I think he was probably always closing. Okay, maybe he was,

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Maybe he wasn't always closing. And that's why he's a

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screenwriter now. And not okay, because coffee is for closers. Coffee, Yeah,

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put that coffee down.

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He was a recipient of much vitriol in the office

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telling him to put that down because obviously.

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He's probably just a junior member of the officer probably.

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Yeah, that's that's And also you know, if you if

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you in the in the movie and obviously in the play,

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if you listen to how he writes, it's clearly coming

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from a place of not dominance, but subservience right from

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being dominated. Yeah, that's how he describes it is to

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describe it as you know, like I told that guy

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to keep his hands off the coffee because he's not

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a closer. It's one hundred and eighty degrees. It's what

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you get told when you're not a closer.

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Yeah. Yeah, something I love about this guy He has

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always and continues to this day, written his screenplays on

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an old fashioned typewriter. He uh. He cites uh this

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preference due to a disdain for using personal computers. I

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just I'm thinking, like we talked, We talked about We

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had Jason Colvin from the suirrele He Can't Be Serious

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podcast Casino out with us, and we talked about Ian Fleming.

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You know, the typewriter that he wrote Casino Royale on

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was bought for fifty two thousand dollars. You know, it

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is a goal plated typewriter and Pierce Brosnen bought it

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for fifty two thousand dollars.

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Like, you just got to.

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Wonder, is there is there a David Mammott typewriter in

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someone's future, because that would be something nice to have.

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I think, yeah, except for it's probably a broken selectric

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or something probably like halfway in between a mechanical typewriter

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and a computer.

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Yeah. Uh, he's he's kind of fit. You would you know,

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you could say he's he keeps in shape. Uh. And

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he does this because he practices Brazilian jiu JITs.

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Oh I heard he came from later in life?

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Did he? Yeah? Matt, like, did do you think, David Mammott,

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do you think Brazilian jiu jitsu? Because I should I

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would never have thought that something that UFC fighter is doing. Uh.

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And you said later in life, So I see, I

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dig that because it's one of those things I'd love

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to do. But I'm like, I'm too old. I can't

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you know when I'm gonna be in a classroom full

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of kids. But you know, if mamma can do it,

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maybe maybe they're so rush.

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it for years, but his his thing about it. I

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mostly grabs, rolls and polls. It's not throws per se.

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them down. I mean, it can be violent, obviously it's

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jiu jitsu, but it's it's more about control and and

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and and making getting the person into the position you want,

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not like so much throwing fists and yeah, hurting people

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are you know, kicking, although I guess that can happen

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this well.

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I just you know, if I if there's a class

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out there for adults, I'm in. I just don't want

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to look like Kramer from Seinfeld. But when he was

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doing the karate class with all the kids, you know,

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I can't. I can't do it. I won't do it.

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But hey, one of the things that I thought was

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interesting about Mammott was the person Rebecca Pigeon, who played

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Fran in the movie that we're reviewing, is his wife

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and is still his wife.

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Wow, that's actually unusual in general that they I was

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a long marriage.

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curious about her. But that's interesting, So you know Cass's wife. Interesting.

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got married, if it was before, I know it was

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the same year as the movie. So I'm thinking that

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they weren't married when they were filming, and maybe then

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got married. But I don't know. I didn't dig into

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Dating the Boss maybe okay, but yeah, she was good.

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In the movie, so it's not like she didn't have

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any chops. Well.

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to say, working as a screenwriter, I always thought that

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quote film is a collaborative business only constituted half of

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the actual phrase. From a screenwriter's point of view, the

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correct rendering of the phrase should be quote film is

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a collaborative business. Bend Over. I think that, you know,

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I mean, he's listen. He he has written some of

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the most incredible screenplays of all time, and he's probably

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got a certain feeling towards last studio execs and directors

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and producers that just decided that we're going to change

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the script or you know, we're gonna let this after

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ad lib and write his own dialogue. So I get that. Guys.

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We are celebrating the twentieth and twenty fifth anniversaries of films,

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and we kind of we always go for underrated stuff,

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but this season we were going after all the blockbusters

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having a good time with it, and that just means

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we don't really need to do this long drawn out

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synopsis to let viewers know what this underrated movie is

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that we're talking about, because we're not talking about underrated movies.

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So that has led us to the five word synopsis.

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So I'm gonna ask you, Matt, I'm gonna start with you. Okay,

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in exactly five words, please tell us what is heist about?

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Well, these five words are more like a haikup. So yeah, yeah,

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there's gonna be some work.

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Okay, get ready, let's see what I'm ready. Let's see

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what you got.

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May December plans in plans. Oh, it's interesting. It's not

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exactly everything that the movie is about, but it's the

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those themes that kind of struck struck a chord with me.

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Interesting. I like that that that would be Listen, if

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we're playing this game and you're like, all right, uh,

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here's the movie and you said that, I would be struggling.

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I think a little bit. That's a tough one. That's

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a tough one. It's good, it's good, But that's that's

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that's the thing. It can't always be just you know,

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you don't want to throw a softball, you know, at someone.

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You know, sometimes you got you gotta throw a heater

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Matt Matt has just maybe he threw it, or maybe

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a knuckleball, cardball. I'm not sure we're talking baseball movies

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just yet.

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But you know you said five words.

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Five that's the that's the rule you got. You only

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get five words, chuck.

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So I'm counting my words right now just to make

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sure it's only five.

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You know, the listeners will get you, I know. Yeah.

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Well, okay, So I'm going to tell you how this

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one came up because I was struggling until I was

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finishing watching it up and then watching the film today

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and I just started sending Jeff a ton of photographs

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from the movie and it's just like, holy cow, this

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right here. And you know, if we can talk about

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what the photographs were later, if it comes up. But

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it made me think of a masterclass in cinematic misdirection,

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because Mammon is not just telling a story about deception.

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He's actually deceiving the audience a lot by controlling what

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we know and more importantly, when we know it. And

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I watched this the first time on a plane and

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I missed so much of this. And then when I

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sat down, turned on the closed captioning and I'm going

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to tell people, throw the close captioning on because the

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writing in this film is just incredible that.

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It came alive for me.

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So that's when I started sending you photographs and I'm like.

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This is this is it? This is it, listeners. I

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woke up this morning.

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I'm so sorry.

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No, I wasn't woken up by it, but I I

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woke I wake up. I'm like, let me, let me

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grab my phone. Twelve messages from Chuck Bryant. Something something

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bad has happened. They're they're gonna have they have to cancel,

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they have to postpone. This is a long drawn out nope.

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Chuck is starting the episode early. He's like this scene.

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I can't believe we pissed this. And yeah, I'm like,

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I'm like, he's gonna have some things. Okay, So he's

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got some stuff to mention tonight. I'm gonna give you.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna make it a little bit easier

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on on on everyone. Uh, I got a five word

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synopsis for you. I'm not as brilliant as Matt sergeant,

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but I've got everyone cheats everyone for gold. This is

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like a double triple cross type of in the film Chilluck.

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I'll tell you I had I had another one I

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wanted to use, but I think it, I think it.

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I think it appeals to just a specific fan base.

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How about Lex Luthor versus the Penguin?

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Ooh, I was hoping somebody would pull that one out.

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That's yeah, well let's while we're while we're talking about

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it before we get into it though the film the

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title heist? Is this the worst title you can give

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a film like this? Because there's a there's a TV

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movie starring your guy, Donald Sutherland who comes out the

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same year called The Heist twenty fifteen. There's a there's

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a movie Heist with I think de Niro's in that one.

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There's plenty of heist movies where they use the word

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heist in the title. I just feel like there's there

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could have been something better, Like, there's there's a better

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title for this. I have to believe.

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Yeah, it's funny.

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He check comes No.

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I was just gonna say that when you first mentioned, like,

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do you like David mammontt And I'm like, no, I

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hate David Mammont. Of course I like David Mammont. I

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mean that's like slap because okay, how about heist And

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I'm like deer in the Headlights. I'm like, yeah, huh,

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I mean that's like so many movies with the word

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heist in it, you know, so but anyways, yeah, no,

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I there might be a better name in it.

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But yeah, I mean I think there's better names. There's

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a lot of better names, and in fact, I think

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one of them just might be the Swiss Job or

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something there you go, why not? It's just something simple,

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but it's distinctive, and it's really central to the whole

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the whole movie, right, and not at the beginning. You'll

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be you hear it pretty quickly. But yeah, I think

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something along those lines. Heist was undescriptive and made it

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easily forgettable. And also, I mean I would just remind

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people that what was going on, and it was released

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in two thousand and one, you know, stuff that was

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l I personally missed it completely. I didn't even know

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the movie was there. And I'm shocked because I'm a

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you know, I'm a huge fan of the actors that

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were in this movie, and I totally slipped by me, so.

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I think I was going to say that. I kind

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of thought that maybe just to kind of piggyback on

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what Matt was saying, I felt like that in two

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thousand and one, this movie was either ten years too

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late it should have come before, or it was ten

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years too early because this style of film is about

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to blow up on cable TV, like the episodes that

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they have, and where we were starting to move into

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in two thousand and one was a lot of escapist

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fantasy with The Lord of the Rings with Harry Potter,

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those were just about to blow up and that was

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going to impact a lot of cinema. And I think, ah,

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now wor a little bit too soon for the Marvel

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Cinematic universe starting up. But you know, it's it's kind

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of driving more towards that fantasy before we get more

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into something that's along these lines.

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Yeah, it's just I I love the film though, you know,

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not to tip my hat earlier early, but you know,

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I love the film, but it's it's got one of

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the most generic titles. I feel like when I hear Heist,

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I just assume straight to video, you know, like it's

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you know be Acres, and it's not it's it's the

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exact opposite of that. So I'll tell you what, listeners,

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if you've seen this film, because well you know, before

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I even I even challenge them, see, Matt's got something

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there with the Swiss Job, because like, you know that

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that immediately calls to mind, uh, the Italian Job, which

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is another heist movie. But if I love the Italian Job,

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I'm probably tuning in for the Swiss Job. You know

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that that that one. So, listeners, if you've seen this film,

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go to a film by podcast dot drop us a

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line with your suggestion, especially if you can beat Matt's

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Swiss Job. I'll shout out the best. I'll shout out

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the best suggestion on the show, and I'll send you

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one of our new super soft Film by t shirts.

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In the meantime, let's take a quick break. When we

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get back, I've got the Cinematic Flashback Podcast and we're

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gonna be talking about this cast, which is absolutely stellar.

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Welcome back. We are talking about David mammettz two thousand

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and one crime Caper heist, Matt Sargent, Chuck Bryan from

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the Cinematic Flashback Podcast are here, guys. As soon as

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I knew that I wanted to do this movie, and

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I was like, well, it stars Gene Hackman. Who better

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to talk Gene Hackman with than you Tube. You know,

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you guys have covered quite a few Gene Hackman movies.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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I mean it seems like Season one and Season one

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was just rotating around Gene Hackman. We were just putting

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whatever Gene Hackman film or you know, Clint Eastwood films

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or our boy Donald Sutherland.

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Yeah, you guys, you could almost for a minute there,

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it could have been the Gene Hackman Donald Sutherlan podcast.

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Yeah, it could have been.

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And I'm not complaining. I was like, yes, because you

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guys are talking about movies. I love. You were talking

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about movies I hadn't seen before, and I was like, wait,

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what's this? I haven't seen this one?

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Well yeah, but arguably you cannot talk about seventies films

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without talking about Gene Hackman and talking about you know,

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all those stars that really cut their teeth on film

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during those years.

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So yeah, remind me the Gene Hackman movies you guys

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have already covered.

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Well, we've done the French Connection. We did the conversation.

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We've done scare Crow, Scarecrow? What else Chuck helped me out?

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We Okay, we did one of your favorite films, The

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Poseidon Adventure.

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Ye, he was kind of that.

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And uh and we we kicked it off with season

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two with the French connection to two. Yeah, part two.

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Five Hackman movies already, so yeah, you know I've got.

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Can I tease? Can I tease up? What's coming later

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this year?

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Sure?

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Like another Gene Hackman movie.

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Another Gene Hackman movie that we're covering. Okay, it's it's

465
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:42.880
gonna be Night Moves.

466
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:45.000
Have you seen this film?

467
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.960
That's a that's a yeah. So Night Moves is one

468
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.920
I don't think Matt has seen, and I know Matt

469
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:53.400
will love it.

470
00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:55.440
Matt, I think you're gonna love that one.

471
00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.079
Yeah, it looks like I saw a quick synopsis of it.

472
00:26:59.200 --> 00:26:59.799
Looks awesome.

473
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:04.920
So Hackman listen with exception to Runaway Jury in two

474
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.680
thousand and three. This is one of his last great performances.

475
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:14.920
He's seventy years old at the time of filming, and

476
00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.119
let me give you the rest of his two thousand

477
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:19.599
and one he was not taking it easy. In two

478
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:23.039
thousand and one, at seventy years old. He does five

479
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:28.799
movies this year. He's in Heist. He's also in the

480
00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:33.119
Mexican with Brad Pitt and Joey Roberts. He does Heartbreakers

481
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:38.119
with Sigourney Weaver and Jennifer Lovewett does the Royal tenem Bombs,

482
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:41.400
which we covered earlier this season. Go back and check

483
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.720
that one out. So good and yeah, and he does

484
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:49.559
Behind Enemy Lines with Owen Wilson. I'm actually you know, Chuck,

485
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:50.920
you were talking about how you guys are kind of

486
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:55.880
doing like these fun theme So we're sort of doing

487
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.880
some theme months, like you know, last month it was

488
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.480
like gambling Good Guys Bust of part threes. But yeah,

489
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:03.519
I guess this one could have been. You know, we're

490
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:05.880
on summer breaks, and I was like, well, listen, kind

491
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.279
of works as a gambling good guy, but I gonna

492
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:12.160
save it for summer break. But I'm now upset with

493
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.200
myself because we didn't just do a full month of

494
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.039
Hackman like I could have had, Like I could have

495
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:19.839
had a Hackman month. I could have done all five

496
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.440
of them, and I didn't, and I just I feel

497
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:22.920
bad about that.

498
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:25.000
So I want to make sure we don't forget about

499
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:28.279
the nineteen seventy four film that Gene Hackman was in,

500
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:33.319
and he makes the film Young Frankenstein. Oh gosh, he

501
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:38.240
is so good in Young Frankenstein. And it's not a usual.

502
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:43.000
You're so tall, you're the biggest man. You must have

503
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:44.240
been the biggest in your class.

504
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:45.839
Oh he's so good.

505
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:49.480
Oh yeh god, it's he's so great, And I mean

506
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:53.200
it just turns a very small cameo into gold in

507
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:56.160
my opinion. Now, I'm a huge Gene Hackman fan, as

508
00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:00.960
everybody know. I mean, it's heard cinematic flashback podcast, but

509
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:06.039
I also just think he's he He usually plays some

510
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:10.200
very similar type people, right, I mean, the guy in

511
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:15.119
the heist is pretty similar to other people he's played.

512
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.160
I mean, certainly there's always you certainly get a visceral

513
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:20.640
reaction to his acting. But in Young franke Stein that

514
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.880
just went out the window, which I really think. And

515
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:27.799
of course at Lex Luthor and Superman, you know, that's

516
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:31.279
a different kind of he puts definitely a different spin

517
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.960
on on on the Lex Luthor, I imagine.

518
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:38.359
So we talked about when we did our Gene Hackman

519
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:42.400
tribute episode, uh, following his passing, we we kind of

520
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:46.319
mentioned how he's one of the great yellers. Gene Hackman

521
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.119
usually yells in almost every movie he's in. Yeah, yeah,

522
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:50.720
he's doing it in Heist, you know which you know,

523
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:52.680
it's it's it's it's a it's his calling card. Though,

524
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.640
Like I want to hear angry Gene Hackman at some

525
00:29:54.759 --> 00:30:01.920
point in the movie. If Gene Hackman, it's not Tillie yells, yeah,

526
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:04.480
it's not yeah this Yeah, we're not here until's yelled

527
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:04.880
at someone.

528
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:10.119
So one thing you touched on, Jeff was the fact

529
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:12.279
of these movies that he did in two thousand and one.

530
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.799
To me, it's a huge bridge from a guy who

531
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:19.720
was acting in the sixties and then does movies in

532
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:21.599
two thousand and one. And I'll be honest with you,

533
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.880
watching The Heist, Gene Hackman highs seventy year old, he

534
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:32.839
looked exactly like the Gene Hackman France from French Connection. Yeah,

535
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:36.720
nineteen seventy one, thirty years before. The guy was like

536
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.680
ageless for that period of time. And you know, obviously

537
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:43.440
we all know that he passed away under really tragic

538
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:47.759
and sad circumstances and you know, a horrible disease it

539
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:50.839
catches up with many, many people, which is very sad

540
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.000
to think of. But I love to think about that

541
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:58.640
long stretch of years where he was unchanging, and then

542
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:00.519
to hear that he did all this stuff in two

543
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.039
thousand and one amazing. I'm so happy to hear it.

544
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.880
You you got it right there. There's a scene in

545
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.880
Heist where he's wearing a leather like a leather bomber jacket.

546
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.119
And if I'm telling you, if you took that shot,

547
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.920
if you took a screenshot of that and then you

548
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.559
put it side by side with Gene Hackman in Hoosiers

549
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:25.319
from nineteen eighty six, which we covered on our eighty

550
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.519
six series, where he's wearing a leather bomber jacket, it

551
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:31.759
could be the same movie the guy from like nineteen

552
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:35.039
sixty to nineteen ninety. No, well, two thousand and one

553
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:39.400
he just did in age. He looks fantastic and he's

554
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.680
doing I mean, there's a lot of physicality in this

555
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.039
role and the fact that he's seventy years old and

556
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:48.200
he's pulling it off. I know. During interviews, he said

557
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:50.240
that this film was a very difficult shoot for him

558
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:53.759
because of his age and not just the physicality, but

559
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.000
he was pretty uncomfortable with the fact that pretty much

560
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.799
everyone else in the cast was significantly younger than him,

561
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.599
so he used that to kind of build his character

562
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:08.960
and and lean more into like this outsider mentality that

563
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:13.319
that that Joe Joe has, you know, his character. He's

564
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.599
fantastic in it, though. You know, I was like, yeah,

565
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.359
I got to talk to Matt and Chuck because it's

566
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:19.839
it's Hackman and they.

567
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:23.279
Know happened well. And what you're saying about him leaning

568
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:27.559
into that sort of outsider role within this movie is

569
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.240
is spot on. And it's perfect for this movie because

570
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.000
obviously when you watch the movie, not to give away

571
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.440
any spoilers, there are you know, feints within faints and

572
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:41.960
fakes within fakes and and uh, he plays his role

573
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:46.599
as maybe the slightly doddering aged dude to a t,

574
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.039
and it's it's fantastic. The other thing, I'm super happy

575
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.519
about having Gene Hackman and Sam Rockwell in the same film.

576
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:57.359
You know, we're gonna talk about cast in a moment, but.

577
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:59.799
Let's know, let's let's let's know, let's we're talking about

578
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.839
cast right now. Let's talk about Jimmy Silk, Sam Rockwell.

579
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:08.359
He wins this role over Owen Wilson, who will end

580
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:13.000
up working with Hackman in Behind an Alliance. But I

581
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.279
love Sam Rockwell. I have to think you guys are

582
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.720
fans of him. Matt's let's talk Sam Rockwell for a minute.

583
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.799
He's one of my favorite favorite actors for a couple

584
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:26.200
of different reasons. And I'll tell you I loved him

585
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:29.160
in Moon. I mean, obviously he carries the whole movie

586
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:32.200
because he's the only person in the movie. But if

587
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.960
you haven't seen Moon, which a lot of people haven't,

588
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.720
which is a tragedy, it's a traghley and see it,

589
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.559
go and see it. But this is the reason I

590
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.759
really like him is there's a movie from twenty thirteen

591
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:48.920
called The Way Way Back, and Sam Rockwell pays plays

592
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:53.880
the kind of lost older brother type to this kid

593
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.440
who's really having a hard time with his wife, his

594
00:33:56.599 --> 00:34:01.480
mom's divorce and the new boyfriend. And it takes place

595
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:05.759
up where I spent my summers on Cape cod and

596
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.320
so all the scenery is very, very familiar to me.

597
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:13.079
And Sam rock was such a genuine, quirky, super nice

598
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:16.840
guy in this film. I just it's one of my

599
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:21.519
favorite favorite movies, and it is a little bit of

600
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.360
a guilty pleasure because it's a goofy movie.

601
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:24.800
I mean, it's not like it's a good movie.

602
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:29.559
Yeah, was was this one of Sam Rockwell's early films?

603
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:31.039
Was this?

604
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.039
Was this before Galaxy Quest?

605
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.159
It was? It was either I think it was right

606
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:38.199
before Galaxy Quest.

607
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.000
Okay, because when I saw him at first, I'm like, wow,

608
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.000
I knew it was Sam Rockwell, but I was like,

609
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:49.719
he is really young in this film. And his character,

610
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:55.760
Jimmy silk Uh, he's he's the opposite side of what

611
00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:01.360
Gene Hackman's Joe is. So if Joe is the experienced

612
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:04.159
guy who's been there, done that, he's got a plan

613
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.880
for his plan, Jimmy is the he's the young gun,

614
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:11.119
he's the impulsive kid. He's just he's going he's gonna

615
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:14.639
go in there and go guns blazing kind of thing.

616
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:19.360
And it's just it's a great It sets up a

617
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:21.960
lot of great moments between the two.

618
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:27.280
Honestly, what I just heard was I finally found someone

619
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.960
that can discuss Moon with me next season when we

620
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.360
cover that movie, because I wanted to cover Moon for

621
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.320
a long time. Matt I had a similar situation where

622
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.320
you know people, you know, I had a friend say,

623
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:41.159
you got to check out Moon. I can't tell you

624
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:42.880
what it's about, but you know you'll like it. And

625
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:46.039
I was like, okay, space movie. Sure, let's check it out.

626
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.760
Fantastic film. Highly underrated, which is why it'll be back.

627
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.280
We'll cover it next year when we're back to doing

628
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:56.639
underrated movies. But we hate the hate the vall and

629
00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.519
tell you. But yeah, I'm on man, we'll be waiting.

630
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:02.719
We'll be waiting for you for sure.

631
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:06.960
Yeah. So again, yeah, just just Sam Rockwells. And of

632
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.599
course we talked about before. Rebecca Pigeon plays fran H

633
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:15.880
Joe's wife, who you know, is much younger than him,

634
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:21.719
also far more attractive than him. Definitely definitely a nine

635
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.119
and nine four situation.

636
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:29.679
Okay, so let's listen. I'm okay with you know, the

637
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:33.360
actor is older, the actress is younger. That's fine, but

638
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:39.440
in what reality, because you know, suspension of disbelief is

639
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.559
needed when you're watching films. I have a hard time

640
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:50.519
believing that that fran has met and organically fallen in

641
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.559
love with with with Joe. I just well, I mean

642
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:54.960
I think she's hard to buy man.

643
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:56.960
She shows her true colors.

644
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:58.639
Well, yeah, she does mean.

645
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.280
Absolutely in character that she would be with an old

646
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:05.679
dude with the boat and oh.

647
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.800
You know what, you're right, Matt, Yeah, he does. She

648
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:11.360
sees that boat, which is gorgeous, and she's like, yeah,

649
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:16.199
this is the guy's.

650
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:17.639
Sad to say that. That's a that's a cliche.

651
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:22.119
So she's in this movie. I had to be. I

652
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.400
gotta be honest, like I I'm thinking, I'm watching her,

653
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.880
and I'm like, who's Rebecca Pigeon And then Matt's Matt's

654
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.960
talking about how that's David Mammontt's wife. So I'm wondering,

655
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:35.000
did she you know, are we Is this like a

656
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.280
little bit of like cast my wife. You know, I'm

657
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.360
the director. I can do that because she's a she's

658
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.960
pretty pretty fantastic actress. I really enjoyed her performance.

659
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:47.960
He cast her in the Spanish Prisoner as well.

660
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:52.960
Okay, so so basically this is like a you know,

661
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.480
if she's if she's working, it's a David Mammont project.

662
00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:58.039
I guess n she's She was in a few others,

663
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:04.480
but okay, yeah, yeah, she was a stage actress though, right, wasn't.

664
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:10.119
She Okay, well yeah, and that might be yeah, yeah, but.

665
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:12.159
You know, Here's the thing for me on this movie

666
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.480
is that I on this casting is I think something

667
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.280
over roaded. Casting the properly aged person, and I don't

668
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.760
mean somebody as old as Hackman's character, but somebody a

669
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:28.400
little more mature than her is believable and also believable

670
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:32.599
that she might form a tryst with the younger person.

671
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:37.840
The problem I had was they were the the you know,

672
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:44.679
the Rebecca Pigeon actress, you know fran and the Sam

673
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:48.360
Rockwell actor. They were like the same age exactly, like

674
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.480
they looked like they were early twenties together, and it

675
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.920
just to me it was like it was obviously what

676
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.159
happened was going to happen. So it was a little

677
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:58.679
that was a little week in my opinion in terms

678
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.559
of casting, that's what happened when you have.

679
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:05.079
You know, actor is your husband and one yeah, well,

680
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.480
I'm with you. I think there's there are many options,

681
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:10.800
like if we want to go like a an actress,

682
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:14.960
so maybe in like her early forties to early fifties, I.

683
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.639
Think that would be too much. I think maybe one

684
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.840
in the mid to early thirties, which or late late

685
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:26.599
syrus solidly late twenties, just because they could bridge that

686
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:29.800
upper the older man, because I think Jeane was paying

687
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:33.440
a guy more like in his fifties, not in this seventies.

688
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:36.039
Yeah, he's not playing seventy, he's I mean, they they

689
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.800
mentioned like, hey, he's getting, he's older, he's getting he's

690
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:40.440
losing a step, he's ready to retire.

691
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:43.199
Yeah, But to me in the ice game, that means

692
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.400
he's he's probably sties.

693
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.840
Yeah, he's not seventy. He doesn't even look seventy. I

694
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:49.840
was stunned. I was.

695
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.920
I'm stunned that you said he was seventy. I did not.

696
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.960
I did not go and do the birthday math. I

697
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.679
usually I usually do that. I'm stunned.

698
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.519
I had to because I'm like, I'm watching hackman. I'm like, man,

699
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.360
he's he's like really he's on his game here, He's really,

700
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.159
he's moving good, he looks good. Like this was wait

701
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:10.880
and I'm thinking about how what he was when he

702
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:12.480
passed away, and I was like, well, hold on a second.

703
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.400
That means he's he's seventy years old. He's he's seventy

704
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:19.079
one in two thousand and one, so you know that

705
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:23.119
he's he's seventy when they're they're shooting it. But not

706
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:25.519
too far off from Hackman's age. We got a couple

707
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.280
other two other incredible actors I want to talk about

708
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:33.840
real quick. Danny DeVito playing the heavy in this movie.

709
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:40.559
The Mickey Mickey Bergman love it. He definitely feels a

710
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.679
little like his character from Romancing the Stone and Jewel

711
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.599
the yell without the comedy.

712
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:50.559
Yes, okay that No, you're you're you're spot on. The

713
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.119
entire time, I'm thinking, this is this is what happens

714
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:57.920
when Ira doesn't come back to pick him up. You know,

715
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.559
he gets really mad and he becomes nicky.

716
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:07.039
Bergman, you know, yeah, this is Ira has abandoned you. Yeah, Mickey, yeah,

717
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.719
Mickey takes place. Matt, what do you how do you?

718
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.000
How do you think? What do you think about Daviata

719
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.800
on this? Is this not your typical did Vita performance.

720
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:15.280
He's awesome.

721
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.960
No, but I thought was genius casting because, you know,

722
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:21.480
just just because it was such a you know, such

723
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.840
a shocker that it's Danny DeVito being you know this

724
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:27.599
and I don't mean he's rough and tumble, but just

725
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.639
basically running the show. But he pulled it off well

726
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.000
because he's sort of all about the details, all about

727
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.360
the money, he's got his he's got his strong arm

728
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.840
guys and his nephew coming up. I will say they

729
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:42.039
they kind of left something out that he should have

730
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:46.760
been more wary of his of his nephew. That's really

731
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:49.519
typical in that kind of organization that the young up

732
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.480
and comer has to be held down, and they weren't

733
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:54.840
holding that guy down at all. In fact, he was

734
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:56.360
going to rip them off as well.

735
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.679
So it's pretty cool because I think the before I

736
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:02.679
see this movie, because this was the first time watch

737
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:06.559
for me, the last time I saw the little guy

738
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.599
in a in a movie like this where I'm afraid

739
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.639
of him, like he's he's a little scary. It's probably

740
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:17.239
Joe Peshi and pretty much any Scorsese project that she's in.

741
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:20.480
But de Vito kind of gives you like a I

742
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.159
wouldn't mess with this guy, Like I'm a little a

743
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.920
little afraid of what he's gonna say or do, and

744
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:28.280
he's fantastic. It's well, I think this is this is

745
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.119
great you Matt's right, it's it's great casting.

746
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.559
The thing with the Vito, right, so it's like, what

747
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:34.719
da vido are you getting?

748
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:35.199
You know?

749
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.840
Last year we reviewed one flew over the Cuckoo's Nest

750
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.360
and his character in there, very early performance from him

751
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:43.559
when he came out the stage.

752
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:45.079
Yes, and he is.

753
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.000
He's just super, super innocent. And then you start to

754
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:51.760
know him in Taxi and then you know, my gosh,

755
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:55.079
it seems like we've been watching him for ever, you know,

756
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.360
and then when he comes out in this one and

757
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:03.440
his guns blow, I mean, it's it's almost intimidating. I mean,

758
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:04.760
it's very intimidating.

759
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.039
I've for like the last fifteen years, I've been enjoying

760
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.280
him on a show called It's Always Sonny in Philadelphia

761
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.719
where he plays Reynolds, and he is a far cry

762
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:21.360
away from Mickey Bergman. Bergman is well dressed, classy. It's

763
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:23.760
he's the anti Frank Reynolds if you watch that show.

764
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.199
But do you know what, do you know what the

765
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:30.119
problem with It's Always Sonny in Philadelphia. Their seasons have

766
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.519
gotten shorter and shorter. Yeah.

767
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:37.480
There, I mean, it's it's easy to do like seasons

768
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.400
when like last season was like seven episodes. It's like, come, okay,

769
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:41.360
I get it. They're busy.

770
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.199
Yeah, I mean, go by, I don't go buy a

771
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.480
soccer team. And then yeah, and then have one of

772
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.639
the other actors starring at a hit show on primetime.

773
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.320
You know it hurts a little bit.

774
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:54.800
Well, the thing I was going to say about Divito

775
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:57.719
that was so disconcerting in this particular film is that

776
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.559
at certain time times you're like, well, you know, if

777
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.880
he just did this job, and you know, Danny would

778
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:08.079
be nice and he would give him the money. And

779
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:12.360
it's funny because you're kind of talking yourself into that,

780
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:16.880
and then you know your conscious mind comes through and says,

781
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.119
he's never gonna pay the money. If he was going

782
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:20.960
to pay the money, he would have paid the money.

783
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:24.000
He's never gonna pay the money. He just wants another

784
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:24.599
job done.

785
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:28.400
Yeah, it's I love Hackman's line at the beginning when

786
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.039
it got when it goes south right from the get

787
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:35.000
go with the first job and he you know, doesn't

788
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:36.639
pay him. You know, he's like, oh, come on this

789
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.960
other job, you know, the Swiss job, And Hagman's like,

790
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:42.400
you screw me on Wednesday, you scream me on Friday.

791
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:46.880
What's the different I'm getting screwed. I don't know that

792
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.159
Davito was ever gonna take care of him and and

793
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.440
and make it right. But I'll tell you who makes

794
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:56.519
this film, right, Delroy Lindo playing Bobby Blaine, this guy

795
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.559
he he works with Hackman and Davido And nineteen ninety

796
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:06.639
five is Get Shorty, which is awesome. Elmore Leonard's novel fantastic.

797
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:10.239
He's uh, he's having a busy two thousand and one

798
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:13.360
because he's in He's also starring in the one that

799
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:18.440
that Jetly movie and then probably one of my all

800
00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:22.280
time favorite Robert Redford films, movie called The Last Castle.

801
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:23.880
I don't know if you guys ever seen that one.

802
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:24.920
I haven't seen that one.

803
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:27.800
I think that's Chuck, but I can't remember.

804
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:34.199
My My Robert Redford viewing is is very weak.

805
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.159
Chuck. I'm gonna. I'm gonna because I know, I know

806
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.119
we're gonna cover it at some point we have to.

807
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:43.400
But I'm gonna sell you real quick here. Robert Redford

808
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:47.519
is a disgraced general who goes to a military prison

809
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:51.920
where the warden is played by James Gandolfini, and it's

810
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.920
one of it's a classic prison movie where the you

811
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.679
know you won't break the prisoner. The prisoner is gonna

812
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.719
rise up and set things right because as the warden's

813
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.880
corrupt It's It's awesome. Delroy Lindo is awesome, and it

814
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:09.320
Robert Redford one of his better performances in my opinion.

815
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.320
The Last Castle, It's it's probably I'll say it's a

816
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.599
top three prison movie for me.

817
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.239
That's not the one where he goes through the uh

818
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.519
through the Poster with Jane Fonda from ten thousand BC.

819
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:30.480
Another top three prison movie. No, Delroy Lindo, though, I

820
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.320
gotta I gotta be honest, you know, because this this

821
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.639
movie is all about people getting ripped off. Delroy's definitely

822
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.039
ripped off. This year at the Academy Awards, he he

823
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:43.880
should have won the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor for

824
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:46.599
his performance as Delta Slim in a movie called Sinners,

825
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:51.880
and for reasons I still can't fathom, Sean Penn got it.

826
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.639
I just you know, And if you saw him in

827
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.559
one battle after another, you're probably scratching your head the

828
00:46:57.559 --> 00:46:59.360
same way I do, because I don't even know how

829
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:03.519
he got nominated, let alone he wins. But del Roy

830
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:06.280
Lindo fantastic actor. I've loved him and everything he's done.

831
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.599
Honestly, yeah, one hundred percent. When I saw that he

832
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:11.360
was in the film, was like oh man, that's gonna

833
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:11.679
be great.

834
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.599
Let's take a quick break, and then when we get back,

835
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:17.719
I'd like to talk a little bit about the film's background.

836
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:26.039
Welcome back. We are talking about David Mammott's Heist again.

837
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.639
Just a generic title, guys, I just I don't like

838
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:33.320
that title, but I love the movie. This film is

839
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:38.039
made on the agreement that Hackman and Devido will star

840
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:41.719
on it, and then Mammitt gets creative freedom throughout the

841
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.800
production as long as he finishes the film on time

842
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.599
and doesn't go over budget. It's about as cut and

843
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:50.719
dry as a Hollywood deal can be, I think with

844
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.920
a studio. But by all accounts, mammontt is having a

845
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.119
good time on this one. You guys, when you watch this,

846
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.159
did you get did you get the impression immediately like

847
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:05.239
where we're at, Like as far as like what part

848
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:06.400
of the country we're in.

849
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.519
I figured it was At first I thought it was

850
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.000
like more towards like a New England, like Maine, and

851
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.000
then I think, I think later on we see a

852
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:18.519
school bus with South Boston on the on the side

853
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:20.400
of it, so it's.

854
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:26.800
Like somewhere over there the So it's weird because you

855
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:31.400
know the film's almost entirely shot in uh Quebec, Canada,

856
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.599
which is fine. You know, productions go to British Columbia

857
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.679
and outside of the US all the time. But this

858
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.920
movie is set in Boston, and I just don't see it.

859
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.920
I don't know, aside from Hackman owning a boat, like

860
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:48.800
we don't, there's nothing to inform us that it's Boston.

861
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:51.960
And more to the point, no one has a Boston accent,

862
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:55.639
so I don't know why we're specifying that it's Boston.

863
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.719
But yeah, I thought that was strange.

864
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:01.840
That Damon wasn't available Mat Yeah, a South the accent.

865
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:05.079
Matt Damon was not available to play Jimmy Silk. I guess.

866
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:09.679
Yeah, Well, one of the things that I mean for me,

867
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.360
that particular boat he had is very indicative of, you know,

868
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.880
like what we went. My dad grew up on Cape Cod,

869
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.920
so old New Englanders, and to me it felt very familiar.

870
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.239
It's definitely not the West Coast, Yeah, definitely New England

871
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.880
to me, somewhere in New England. Both nondescript New England

872
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:28.719
to me, I'm shocked that that you saw that thing

873
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:32.039
for South Boston, because man, in South Boston, the accent

874
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:36.679
is unmistakable, and so you know clearly there. I think

875
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.320
it may have been intentional that it's kind of any

876
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:44.159
East Coast city that had an airport that would receive uh,

877
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.679
you know, shipments and stuff like that would be not

878
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.599
and that you can get around, you know, that you

879
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:53.599
might be able to drive somewhere and do this heist

880
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:57.000
and have a fairly large airport. So to me, it

881
00:49:57.079 --> 00:49:59.639
didn't matter as much. It wasn't It wasn't a character

882
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:06.440
like the location was in other movies that took place,

883
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:08.800
you know, in and around that area that with the

884
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.719
location really played a big part. To me, it didn't

885
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:12.880
really I didn't care.

886
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:16.239
This is it's not the town, you know, like the

887
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.800
town you have, the town you have to it has

888
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:20.239
to be bost it has to be South, you know,

889
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:23.840
Charles Town. Yeah, I don't. I don't get why this

890
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:26.800
was primarily like a Boston film. But I didn't see it.

891
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:28.360
I was just curious if you guys like picked up

892
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.000
on it. Maybe I missed something like Chuck with eagle

893
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:34.360
eye he catches the cab, the name on the on

894
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.599
the CAB's door. But I'm like, never never saw it.

895
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:42.440
I'm sending I'm sending Matt pictures from the movie what

896
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:47.800
was it? Oh gosh, a white line fever, you know,

897
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:51.280
with the name with the name of of of of

898
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:54.800
a trucking company on the side that says are something Corman,

899
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:59.960
you know, referencing Roger Korman. And I'm sending him these pictures.

900
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:00.440
So it's like.

901
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:06.000
Matt has taught me to look in the background for things,

902
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.480
because it's funny what you'll find sitting back there.

903
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:16.639
Oh wow, So this movie, this, I gotta, I gotta

904
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:20.320
call foul on Paramount with this little this little nugget.

905
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:25.559
This movie was originally intended to be released in June,

906
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:31.400
and the studio dilated to avoid going head to head

907
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:36.599
with Paramount's very similar film called The Score. I don't

908
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.239
know if you guys have seen that one. It also

909
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:39.920
came out, was.

910
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:40.880
That with Marlon Brando.

911
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:48.599
Yep, okay, good film, good film, but you know, really.

912
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:51.960
Did he move at all?

913
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.000
For those of you that have not listened to the

914
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.440
Cinematic Flashback podcast, Matt is not the biggest fan of Marlin.

915
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.360
But he had one great movie and then and then

916
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:05.920
he proceeded to eat the rest of them in all

917
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:06.800
the character.

918
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.480
Oh okay, So here's the thing. The studio says, hey,

919
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.960
let's stay out of Paramount's way the scores coming out.

920
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:18.400
Let's we're not going to compete with it. You don't want,

921
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:20.239
we don't want. We don't want similar movies in the

922
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:23.440
theater at the same time. Okay, that's fair. So they

923
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:27.000
push to November. Guys, do you know what movie was

924
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:29.639
released on DVD when Heist came out in November?

925
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:35.039
November two thousand and one. They pushed that.

926
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.119
They're like, we're gonna release and we're gonna release in

927
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:41.719
November to stay out of the scores way. Uh oh,

928
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.159
then yeah, Chuck's got it.

929
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:47.880
The score, the.

930
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:54.679
Scores released in November. Thank you Paramount for for returning

931
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:55.199
the favor.

932
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:57.679
That's say at the drive.

933
00:52:58.639 --> 00:52:59.440
Yeah, I think we can.

934
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:02.320
I think we can. We can call back to David

935
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:05.960
Mammott's quote about the collaboration of film.

936
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:09.719
Yes, yes, absolutely, Hey, I will do you a solid.

937
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:12.480
Let's hold off on releasing your film and bend over.

938
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:23.719
Yeah oh man, oh my gosh, yeah, Chuck, Yeah, any

939
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:26.719
any cool stuff we might we might want to know

940
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:28.320
about the making of this film.

941
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.440
Man, normally I will come out and I will give

942
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:37.679
you an entire story about this film. But I did

943
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.760
not prepare one for this.

944
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:44.000
I just listen after after this, after the barrage of

945
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:46.000
text messages, I knew you were ready to I wouldn't

946
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:49.440
move on without giving you a chance to talk about it.

947
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:52.920
Well, it would be more of I mean, the things

948
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:55.519
that I really appreciate is really more of how of

949
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:57.800
how this film sets you up and how it only

950
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.280
shows you things that you need to see in you

951
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:03.679
need to see them, but they're so let's disconnect with that.

952
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.360
Yeah, yeah, let's let's let's you know, let's let's chat

953
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:08.719
about that because I know when we come back from

954
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:11.239
the next break, we're gonna talk about a scene, a

955
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:12.880
specific scene that you guys want to talk about. But

956
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:15.440
let's talk about the setup here, Chuck.

957
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:24.559
So this film starts and you're already in the middle

958
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:29.519
of the first heist, yeah, which which is already a

959
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:33.440
lot of fun because you're not really sure who's involved,

960
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.679
you're not really sure what's going on. But then all

961
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.679
of a sudden it becomes it becomes very very apparent.

962
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:40.840
Mm hm.

963
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:44.800
Now when they get to uh, Danny DeVito's character, who's

964
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:47.280
kind of like, I don't know, he's like the fence.

965
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.280
Right, yeah, and he's the brains. He's like the guy

966
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:51.679
that's selling the jobs, right.

967
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.119
He's yeah, he's he's getting the jobs, but Joe is

968
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:58.000
the one who's who's saying what it is that they need. Well, anyways,

969
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:01.960
this this first heist has has actually costs to Vido

970
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:04.239
a little bit more, and he's not going to give

971
00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:07.159
him Joe and his crew quite the cut. But I

972
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:09.119
think he's holding that out because he wants to do

973
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:13.519
this Swiss job where they're going to get some gold

974
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:18.960
from a Swiss airplane that is carrying these bars of gold. Right,

975
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.000
it's like a reserve. It's like Swiss reserve, Swiss reserve. Okay,

976
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:25.039
thank you, But the problem is is how are you

977
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:28.920
going to do this? And at the same time, Joe's

978
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:31.199
working another plan. And what you're going to realize in

979
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:34.119
all of this is that Joe is always working the

980
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:37.800
next one. Joe doesn't even have a plan if it

981
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:39.960
doesn't involve you know, when he's tying his shoe, he

982
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:43.679
already has a plan, right, So this guy is extremely detailed,

983
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:49.000
and so the rest of this movie is involved with

984
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:55.239
us seeing how this thing unfolds, right, and they're just

985
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:59.719
little throwaway lines in this film, Like there's at one

986
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.760
point point where Hackman says, Hey, look, I need to

987
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.639
get I need to get a customs guy. Can you

988
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:11.000
get me a customs guy? Never says anything about it. Again,

989
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:15.039
it becomes obvious much much later on why they needed

990
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:18.000
a customs guy to make this plan work. But the

991
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:22.840
entire time you start to see that this plan is

992
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:28.280
is is evolving, and it just seems like as it

993
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:31.320
starts to fall apart, Joe is still somewhat of a

994
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:34.639
step ahead because he already had an alternate plan that

995
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.039
was going on. And so I think my five word

996
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:43.239
review a masterclass and cinematic misdirection, is very appropriate.

997
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:44.119
Here, Matt.

998
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.719
Let let's go back to the beginning, because, like Chuck

999
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:50.679
you mentioned it, like we're the movie opens, we're already

1000
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:54.639
in the middle of a job, right, Yeah, Matt, would

1001
00:56:54.679 --> 00:57:00.639
you call what we see like controlled chaos the way

1002
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.800
I mean I'm talking about like their plan everything, it's

1003
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.360
like Tumbler's in a lock where, like the like they

1004
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:10.880
rely on chaos, like the explosion to the Hey, everyone

1005
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:12.960
look over here, look to the left while we're over

1006
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.599
here on the right, Like what what do you think

1007
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:18.159
of like the opening, the opening scene, the job that

1008
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:21.000
they pull. Oh, does it kind of goes sideways on them?

1009
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.760
Well, it goes a little bit sideways because he's not

1010
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.840
the ruthless killer, right. So you know, in this one,

1011
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.679
I really liked it. Appreciate it because so and I've

1012
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.840
said this before. If anybody's listened to the cinematic flashback,

1013
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:36.719
they'll know. One of the issues I have with all

1014
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:43.719
of the Mission Impossible movies is everybody's laughing, because it's

1015
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:46.760
one of my standard tropes is that in all the

1016
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:50.400
Mission Impossible movies, it's literally a luck, you know, that

1017
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.480
that things work out, whereas if you were a fan

1018
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:58.440
of the Mission Impossible TV show, nothing was luck. Everything

1019
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:02.199
was planned, Everything worked out exactly how it was supposed

1020
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:05.000
to work out. That was the beauty of the whole thing.

1021
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.920
It always seemed like it was going sideways, and then

1022
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:11.159
at the last minute you realize that all these plans

1023
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.400
had been laid purposefully to make it look like it

1024
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.119
went sideways, almost like the sting, right, you know, you

1025
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:19.079
have to make it so the guy doesn't know he

1026
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.559
got ripped off, so it looks like it went sideways

1027
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:24.119
at the end. That's what's happening in this first scene.

1028
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:27.079
It definitely looks like it's kind of going sideways. It

1029
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.440
does actually go sideways when one of the people does

1030
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:34.519
not consume the beverage that knocks them out, and instead

1031
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:40.440
of just killing that person, he uses a taser, a

1032
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:44.960
handheld taser knocks her out, and that's when his face

1033
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:47.159
is seen. And this is what sort of sets up

1034
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:49.920
the rest of the movie, that why he has to

1035
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.480
do this other job, why he has to leave the country.

1036
00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:57.119
They're gonna get to him sooner or later. Rights they've

1037
00:58:57.199 --> 00:58:59.920
got it. I was a little shocked that the police

1038
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:05.920
never really were pressing him, like they weren't really chasing

1039
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.360
this guy, because you know, that seemed weird to me

1040
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:12.320
that that it seemed like he had unlimited amounts of

1041
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:16.760
time till the police wised up. And I always hate

1042
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:21.599
that that that they portray police as inept idiots. I mean,

1043
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.199
they got a video of this guy. I mean they

1044
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:27.039
probably know him. He's probably a well known uh. He's

1045
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:29.719
been picked up before in his life, I guarantee it.

1046
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:33.840
So I didn't think about it till just now. One

1047
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:37.239
thing that this movie doesn't have that just about every

1048
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:41.599
heist movie does have is that smart cop that's onto

1049
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:43.599
him and it's trying to catch him. There is no

1050
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:44.159
smart like.

1051
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:46.800
There are no cops in this film, no cop.

1052
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:49.800
Like the one cop that they want to cop Hill

1053
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:52.360
that the guy they can talk.

1054
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:56.199
There is no cop after him. It's bad guys verse.

1055
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:59.639
But that was a rental cop, Okay, I.

1056
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:01.480
Mean but well, I mean he was going to get

1057
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:03.320
killed and then the whole thing would have really gone

1058
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.519
sideways and everything. But and that's a recurring theme that

1059
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:09.880
this guy just doesn't will he nearly kill people? And oh,

1060
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:13.440
I know so so, I mean, I think that's that's

1061
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:15.360
part of what informs us at the beginning of the

1062
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:19.480
movie that Gene Hackman, though he's a thief, he has

1063
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:23.360
some code of ethics, right, And it's pretty quick that

1064
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:26.760
immediately Danny DeVito has none, right because the first thing

1065
01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:29.159
he said is you should have whacked the girl, right.

1066
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:31.400
I mean, it's almost in the first scene, it's like,

1067
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.360
it's your own fault. You should have whacked the girl,

1068
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:35.519
you know, you should have walked in with a mask

1069
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:37.400
on and shot her dead. Yeah.

1070
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:43.000
Well, we uh, we know how Matt feels about the

1071
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:47.960
Mission Impossible movies. Uh hey, we're not We're not going

1072
01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:51.039
to We're not gonna We're not gonna ask Matt what

1073
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:53.519
he thought of our episode last weekend when we covered

1074
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.480
Mission Impossible three. So instead, we'll just go ahead and

1075
01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:58.719
take a break right now, and when we get back,

1076
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:05.320
we'll talk about the scene. We are back, it is

1077
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:09.360
time to talk about a scene. Chuck. Let's let's start

1078
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:11.760
with you. There's a scene I know you want to

1079
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:14.840
talk about. And before you tell us which scene, just

1080
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:16.880
tell us why, Like, why are we talking about the scene?

1081
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:19.039
Is it? Is it for a great performance? Is it

1082
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:23.639
for the cinematography? Uh? You know, is it the pivotal

1083
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:25.679
moment in the film? What do you what do you

1084
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:26.239
got for us?

1085
01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:29.199
I think that it could be a lot of those,

1086
01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:33.760
but I think that it's a scene that really sets

1087
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:38.159
up the difference between Jimmy Silk and the rest of

1088
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:42.880
the crew. Okay, and this is something that we were

1089
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:46.559
just talking about a little bit ago, and it's the

1090
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:50.679
traffic stop scene when they're out by the airport. They've

1091
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:53.920
already started placing well we don't know what they're doing there,

1092
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:57.000
but then they're about to leave and they're they're gonna

1093
01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:00.119
time how long it takes a record to get it

1094
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:03.000
out to them, and then a cop happens to come by,

1095
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:05.679
and I called him a rent a cop earlier he

1096
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:06.960
was and he was a state trooper.

1097
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:07.960
He's a state trooper.

1098
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:10.599
He's a state trooper. And you get to see the

1099
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:15.039
difference between Gene Hackman and Rockwell's character in this scene

1100
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.880
because Hackman he rolls with it. He knows he's burnt,

1101
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:22.599
but he's rolling with it, and he has you know,

1102
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.599
Bobby is right there with him. And in the car

1103
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:30.559
you have Pinky just man. We haven't talked about Pinky yet.

1104
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:31.800
But we will.

1105
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.480
Yeah, Pinky in the car and he is just instructing.

1106
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:39.840
He's instructing Rockwell. You know, put your hands on the

1107
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:43.679
on the on the wheel, don't look suspicious. And you know,

1108
01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:47.559
Pinky Rockwell is starting to pull this piece out. The

1109
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:49.639
other reason that this is my favorite scene is it

1110
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:52.760
has my favorite quote. Pinky says, my motherfucker's so cool.

1111
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:55.679
When he goes to bed, she'd count him and he

1112
01:02:55.960 --> 01:03:00.280
count him. I loved that. I thought that was a great,

1113
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:04.639
great quote in the film. Infact, you cannot get any

1114
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:08.679
single quote out out of this movie without that that

1115
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:11.639
word in it because I would say ninety percent of

1116
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:13.159
the movie is the F bomb.

1117
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:18.119
Yeah, it's it's David Mammott though, So you know, you know,

1118
01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:21.239
you're getting a dynamite, You're getting dynamite dialogue, You're getting

1119
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:22.880
dynamite character development, I think.

1120
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:26.199
But you see in this scene though, that Joe's greatest

1121
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:29.039
weapon isn't something like a gun. I mean, it's just

1122
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:30.639
that he's so freaking prepared.

1123
01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:34.559
Well, that's that's that's just it. Like a movie like

1124
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:37.400
this should have a lot of gun play, a lot

1125
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:42.679
of gunfight moments, and it's very minimal. I mean it's

1126
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.719
very minimal for you know, bad guys pulling off a

1127
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:49.400
highs pulling off a job with you know, other guys

1128
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.559
that are bad guys. We should see a lot more

1129
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:56.800
of it. And Mammot is his strength is in his dialogue,

1130
01:03:56.840 --> 01:04:00.719
and you can, like to your point, Chuck Shoe's strength

1131
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:04.000
is he's his wit, he's quick on his feet, he

1132
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:08.559
he rolls with it right and even when when when

1133
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:10.880
Jimmy is about to get out of the car, he

1134
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:12.920
recognizes that and he turns right back.

1135
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:14.840
Oh one more thing, officer, Yep, yep.

1136
01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:18.840
He's fantastic in this. In this scene a great scene. Absolutely.

1137
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.039
Something to say is that I know earlier I said

1138
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:25.840
that the writing in this movie is just really good

1139
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:28.239
and and you're either gonna like it or you're gonna

1140
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:30.679
hate it, right because this is not dialogue that you

1141
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:33.400
and I say to each other right now, we don't

1142
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:38.239
talk like this. This is more like dialogue that David

1143
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:41.280
Mammont you would hear in a play. And it's that

1144
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:45.840
well orchestrated as well. Everything is like a ballet of words,

1145
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:48.880
and that's why when you get into it you start

1146
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:52.639
to respect that talent that Mammott pulls to it.

1147
01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:55.599
Even the blocking. I don't know if you guys picked

1148
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:57.679
up on this, but even the blocking in the in

1149
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:02.079
the shots, this could this could I think he shoots

1150
01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:06.920
this like it could be a stage production production. Everything's tight,

1151
01:05:07.159 --> 01:05:09.800
everything's you know. I mean, yeah, we've got some big

1152
01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:13.440
moments like with the airport, but everything is just close quarters.

1153
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:16.840
It could be like a one set, you know, three

1154
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:19.480
act play. I think he does that just based on

1155
01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:25.679
his his history. But fantastic scene, Chuck, Matt different scene

1156
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:28.039
you want to talk about or did Chuck steal your

1157
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:28.559
thunder there?

1158
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:31.320
No, No, it's a different scene. It's a different scene,

1159
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:34.199
and it actually drives well with what we were just

1160
01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:38.280
talking about. It's there is very little gunplay until the end,

1161
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:41.159
until the very end, and then there's quite a bit

1162
01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:44.719
of gun play. And apologies to the to the listeners,

1163
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:49.559
this will contain a spoiler, so if you haven't seen

1164
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:52.480
the film, you should probably see it before I say

1165
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:55.480
the next thing. But the scene I like is after

1166
01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:58.079
the giant gunfight. And remember I just made a point

1167
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:03.280
about how Gene Hackman's Joe does not just wantonly kill

1168
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:06.840
people like but I think the difference is he doesn't

1169
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:11.199
wantonly kill innocent people because in the scene I'm talking

1170
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:13.320
about is after the end of the big gun fight

1171
01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:17.440
he's got he takes the shotgun from from his buddy

1172
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:20.440
and he walks over to Danny Davita's character, who has

1173
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:23.440
been partially shot but is still alive and on the ground,

1174
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.320
and but Danny Vita knows he's going to die and says,

1175
01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:31.000
don't you want to hear my last words? And Gene

1176
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:34.920
Hackman replies, I just did, and then bang.

1177
01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:39.639
That is It was maybe the coolest line in the movie.

1178
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:42.800
You know, that's that's what you say to the bad guy. Yeah,

1179
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.559
I just did ah, no, no.

1180
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.559
Banter, no nonsense. And that is also I think indicative

1181
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:54.360
of David Mammont, Right, his dialogue is so tight, and

1182
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:56.559
it is tight. I think you guys touched on it.

1183
01:06:57.039 --> 01:07:00.199
I think he came from stage. And when you're in

1184
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:02.960
a play, you don't have a lot of time for

1185
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:06.159
soliloquies and nonsense. As much as everybody thinks. You go

1186
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:09.800
to a Shakespeare play and there's all these long soliloquies,

1187
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:13.639
well yeah, Shakespeare play was like four hours long. Modern

1188
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:15.800
plays can't afford that kind of time, so you've got

1189
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:19.559
to deliver the punches, you know, right on the money,

1190
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:21.719
and this is a right on the money line.

1191
01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:22.719
Yeah.

1192
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:23.519
Uh.

1193
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:28.280
One thing I love about the scene matt uh picked

1194
01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:32.400
Chuck is that right right before it the whole shootout scene.

1195
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:33.280
Yeah.

1196
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:37.000
I don't know if Mammott is a fan of the game,

1197
01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:42.039
but if you'll recall at Shirley Fest, we're at Retromania

1198
01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:44.519
where you and I are playing Lethal one Forcer and

1199
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:46.639
I'm sorry the way that the way it's the way

1200
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:50.199
it's choreographed. It's it's like watching level three or four

1201
01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:52.880
of Lethal and Force or just bad guys are just

1202
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:56.039
popping up behind crates and you know, doing tucking rolls

1203
01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:59.920
and everyone's getting shot. I'm loving it because, like, you know,

1204
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:01.639
it's it's a great it's a great scene. But I'm

1205
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:04.400
also I'm kind of chuckling to myself, was like Lethal

1206
01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:10.440
Enforcer player, you know player too. It's like, here, this

1207
01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:12.840
is Gene Hackman playing Lethal Enforcer. It's fantastic.

1208
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:17.159
Yeah, definitely at the very end, he it. You know,

1209
01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:21.439
I think what I thought in that scene was I

1210
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:25.239
was noticing that the guns didn't sound like normal movie guns,

1211
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.880
and I started wondering if that really maybe sounded more

1212
01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:31.319
like what a gunfight would have sounded.

1213
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:34.600
Like, Yeah, maybe I don't know the scene. The scene

1214
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:37.560
I want to talk about, and uh we we just

1215
01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:41.239
briefly mentioned the character, uh just a just a minute ago,

1216
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:46.760
Ricky j who plays Donnie Pinky Pinkus. He's kind of like,

1217
01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:49.399
I'm not gonna call him the tech guy of the group,

1218
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:55.119
but he's like he's like their bomb guy. He he well,

1219
01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:58.159
he's the utility guy and inavertently becomes the fall guy.

1220
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:01.680
But oh yeah, oh yeah.

1221
01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:05.079
He'll take the hit.

1222
01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:08.159
Yeah he's doing it. He's doing his Yeah, he's doing

1223
01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:09.439
his street game or whatever.

1224
01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:14.079
Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, I was kind of

1225
01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:17.079
kind of shocked. Uh again, Matt. Matt already sets up

1226
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:20.359
for spoilers, so you know, if you're still listening, then

1227
01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:23.000
you've already had your warning. But I gotta, I gotta

1228
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:28.399
tell you him being executed. I didn't see that coming,

1229
01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:31.439
you know, because I was like, well, everyone's like, get

1230
01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:36.239
everyone's gonna be okay here in the crew. And he

1231
01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:38.920
does this thing where he's he's loyal to hacknem until

1232
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:41.479
the very end. But then they get his niece and

1233
01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:44.319
you know, he's in that that little that little restroom

1234
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:47.439
and he makes the call and just the look on

1235
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:50.720
Ricky Jay's face. Ricky Jay listeners, if you don't recognize

1236
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:55.079
the name, uh, probably mostly famous for his roles in

1237
01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:58.079
like pt Anderson movies like Magnolia. I think he's the

1238
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:01.600
narrator in that one Boogie Knights. He's the cinematographer who's

1239
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:05.640
bugging William H. Macy the whole time for for better lighting.

1240
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:10.800
But he's fantastic in this movie. And just the way

1241
01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:13.159
he goes out, it's it's it'll break your heart a

1242
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:13.520
little bit.

1243
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:14.880
I think it makes it.

1244
01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:16.359
He gets to see Oh.

1245
01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:20.640
Yeah, Vito character at that point, he's irredeemable. Remember how

1246
01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:22.479
he said there was some question is he gonna be

1247
01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:25.800
a straight dealer? Is he gonna actually pay him? This

1248
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.520
is when you know, yeah he was.

1249
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:35.439
He was, Yeah, I love how cool Pinky is. I

1250
01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:37.920
thought the whole thing. He's like, you understand why I

1251
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:39.960
can't tell you where the gold is? You know, you

1252
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:43.840
understand my position. He's like, you know he's gonna hurt you. Yeah,

1253
01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:47.039
but you know, and just that look he sees his

1254
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:51.960
niece and then the thug shuts the door, and as

1255
01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:54.560
soon as that door shuts and we're outside, you know

1256
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:57.279
what's about to happen. And I just that's that's probably

1257
01:10:57.319 --> 01:10:59.920
the one gun shot I just didn't want to hear

1258
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:03.760
in the movie and kind of bothers me a little bit. However,

1259
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:05.520
at the end of the movie, I was like, you know,

1260
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:09.439
like tough break about Pinky. Yeah, yeah, no one's it's

1261
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:11.680
like an afterthought, like, no one's really upset. You know.

1262
01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:15.359
I thought, I guess I thought they were a little bit.

1263
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:19.319
I thought they're closer, But well, I think there's an

1264
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:22.720
attitude about you know, you know what we're doing here,

1265
01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:25.760
you know that you need to protect yourself. You know,

1266
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:28.399
you should protect your loved ones and you and if

1267
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:31.560
you you know you messed up, you messed up. I

1268
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:33.760
mean the whole thing was you didn't mess up losing

1269
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:35.720
the car, by the way, we all know that was

1270
01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:38.960
a trick. Yeah, that was still put him at risk.

1271
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:43.319
Well, Matt, I want you to know, if you guys

1272
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:46.600
decide to pull a heist with me and you get

1273
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:49.159
caught and executed, I'm gonna be a little more upset

1274
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:56.359
than Gene Hackman was. Yeah, let's let's run the numbers

1275
01:11:56.399 --> 01:11:57.000
here real quick.

1276
01:11:57.960 --> 01:11:59.960
Before we do that, I will just give your listen,

1277
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.920
there's one tip because Chuck brought it up. Gunfights and movies.

1278
01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:08.399
So this is one of my This is a thing

1279
01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:12.119
I always tell people. One of the probably the most

1280
01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:16.199
realistic gunfight that was ever recorded on film is in

1281
01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:22.479
the movie Open Range, fantastic film that is widely regarded

1282
01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:28.560
as the most realistic kind of street gunfight ever kind

1283
01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:31.560
of filmed and recorded. And they said it's because they

1284
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:36.880
literally went through some personal history of somebody and the

1285
01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:39.560
missing and the not hitting the people, and then the

1286
01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.479
people running away and getting shot in the back, all

1287
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:46.920
one hundred percent like common. So that is a great film,

1288
01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:50.119
and that's a great scene to sort of sort of

1289
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.439
understand how horrible that whole thing would be.

1290
01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:57.920
And I would say that the most unrealistic gun scene

1291
01:12:58.439 --> 01:12:59.279
was three am eCos.

1292
01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:01.439
Ok.

1293
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:06.640
Well, on that note, listeners, go back, I want to

1294
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:10.279
say season two, maybe season three, check out our Kevin

1295
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:14.039
Costner episode where we covered open range. And also go

1296
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:16.800
back to our limited series ninety six where we covered

1297
01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:19.840
three amigos. You have to just plug it old, you know,

1298
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:21.039
the older shows.

1299
01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:22.359
That's what we do here.

1300
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:24.640
Yeah, well, let's run the numbers.

1301
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:26.560
Eight. Great film. I'm so glad to hear that you

1302
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:28.399
guys did I'm going to go look up that episode.

1303
01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:31.520
Yeah, that one. Yeah, probably season two maybe me and

1304
01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:34.720
Brad covered that one, Yeah, because we did. I think

1305
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:38.159
we did like that and Clint Eastwood movie called The

1306
01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:40.960
Perfect Perfect World that starred Kevin Costner, So we had

1307
01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:43.479
like we did, like a little back to back type

1308
01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:47.319
of thing. But yeah, great great film. Yeah, let's run

1309
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:48.039
these numbers here.

1310
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:48.840
Yeah.

1311
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:52.960
Heist released November ninth, two thousand and one, with a

1312
01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:56.119
run time of one hour and fifty one minutes. It

1313
01:13:56.279 --> 01:14:01.279
opened fifth place at the box office. And I don't

1314
01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:05.000
understand how it opens in fifth with some of these films,

1315
01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:10.600
but it's right behind Domestic Disturbance, which is laughably bad,

1316
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:17.039
the one Jete movie. We mentioned that earlier shallow Howe movie.

1317
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:19.760
They're probably never gonna They definitely are making that this time,

1318
01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:23.079
you know now nowadays and then Monsters Inc. Is the

1319
01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:25.439
number one movie wouldn't And I get that. I understand

1320
01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:29.119
that now. On a budget of twenty eight million dollars,

1321
01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:34.399
it grossed twenty eight zero point five million dollars. Uh,

1322
01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:39.039
And it's also the highest grossing Mammot directed film. Now.

1323
01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:42.439
To be fair, I will say it did more than

1324
01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:45.920
break even, because it did do another seventy two million

1325
01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:51.000
when it hit home video rental. So it's a win.

1326
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:55.920
Six point five out of ten on IMDb, sixty six

1327
01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.000
out of one hundred on Metacritic, sixty six percent fresh

1328
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:02.239
on Rotten, Tomato, o's three point three out of five

1329
01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:05.840
on Letterboxed, and a Cinema score grade of B minus

1330
01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:08.680
on their A plus F SCO. I guess that.

1331
01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:12.279
I think that. I think the release and rankings is

1332
01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:16.199
one hundred percent due to the name. Yeah, again the

1333
01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:21.119
number two behind Monsters Inc. If it was the Swiss

1334
01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:24.800
job or the Gold Job or you know whatever gold.

1335
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:29.960
Yeah, gold betrayal something yeah again listeners gives give us

1336
01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:32.399
a title for this movie that's better than Heist. But

1337
01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:33.760
but right now, Swiss Job.

1338
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:34.720
That's a low bar taking it.

1339
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:38.720
Matt has set the bar. However, however, low.

1340
01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:41.279
That's a low gold bar.

1341
01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.840
Thank you, Matt, thank you. Let's talk about David mammontt

1342
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:48.920
one more time. I'm gonna start with you, guys. So

1343
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:53.640
someone sees Heist and they say, hey, this guy Mammott

1344
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.840
is awesome, and I get it. He's He's written some

1345
01:15:57.279 --> 01:16:02.319
pretty big blockbusters, he's directed some pretty stuff. Anything underrated,

1346
01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:08.840
anything that maybe people missed because I like the underrated stuff, Chuck,

1347
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:13.279
what would you recommends? Can I underrate whether he wrote,

1348
01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:16.000
whether he whether it was written by Mammot, directed by Mammot,

1349
01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:19.119
or even possibly you know, starred Mammont he acted in it.

1350
01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:24.479
I'll recommend too. I would say House of Games, I

1351
01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:28.079
think from like eighty six or eighty seven, Okay, And

1352
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:33.079
then I would also recommend the Spanish Prisoner, which kind

1353
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:35.640
of feels more in the vein of Heist. So like

1354
01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:38.840
I liked Heyst more than the Spanish Prisoner.

1355
01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:40.000
But it.

1356
01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:44.760
Spanish Prisoner also stars Rebecca Pigeon, but it has Steve

1357
01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:48.279
Martin in it, playing completely against type. And anytime that

1358
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:51.840
I see a movie where a very well known actor

1359
01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:56.920
is not playing in his lane, it's just it's just really, really,

1360
01:16:57.079 --> 01:17:02.399
really good, good film. And I think if you enjoy Heist,

1361
01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:04.159
I think he would enjoy Spanish Prisoner.

1362
01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:07.079
All right, I haven't seen Spanish Prisoners, so I'm definitely

1363
01:17:07.079 --> 01:17:12.119
gonna check that one out. Oh yeah, totally, Matt, what

1364
01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:16.199
would you recommend the listeners check out? When it comes

1365
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:19.640
to David Mammott underrated something maybe something he wrote, maybe

1366
01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:24.520
something he directed, maybe something he acted in. Any any

1367
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:25.520
recommendations for him?

1368
01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:29.720
Well, I mean you had said something maybe underrated, and

1369
01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:33.239
I'm not quite sure if this is underrated really. I

1370
01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:37.600
mean it's a play called American Buffalo, which it was

1371
01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:42.159
a nineteen seventy five play that he wrote, and it's

1372
01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:45.159
somewhat similar to the Heist, except for the heist never

1373
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:48.359
actually gets done. It's just an extended argument about how

1374
01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:53.319
they're going to rip somebody off, and it's profane and

1375
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:57.880
the dialogue is, you know, there's themes of loyalty and betrayal,

1376
01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:00.560
just like in The Heist, So I think there's I

1377
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:05.439
think there's some kernel of the heist in American Buffalo.

1378
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:08.359
So it might be interesting if you really love the Heist,

1379
01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:10.279
that you might want to see that there is a

1380
01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:12.600
film that was done. It was adapted into a film

1381
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:15.720
in nineteen ninety six with Dustin Hoffman and Dennis Franz.

1382
01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:19.239
Dennis Franz who you may remember from what was it

1383
01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:24.119
NYPD Blue and White, PD Blue Right, Psycho three, obviously.

1384
01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:30.159
We know Get Shorty Mike Go three, which we also covered, Chuck.

1385
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:31.199
Thank you, You're welcome.

1386
01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:34.680
That might be that might be something interesting to see.

1387
01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:38.840
I am not a huge, not a huge It's not

1388
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:42.520
that I'm not a Mammot fan. I just did not

1389
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:46.760
realize that he had done other films like or written

1390
01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:50.800
the screenplays for The Verdict and The Untouchables. And of

1391
01:18:50.880 --> 01:18:53.159
course I did know that he wrote the play for

1392
01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:57.520
Glengarry Glenn Ross, because I do know that film and

1393
01:18:57.640 --> 01:19:01.239
that play, and it's amazing talked about at the opener

1394
01:19:01.359 --> 01:19:04.319
with the always be closing statements and stuff, and it

1395
01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:08.039
really is. It's a winner. But clearly, you know, writers

1396
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:10.800
are always told right what you know. And I think

1397
01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:13.439
Glenn Gary Glenn Ross, as you said, came from his

1398
01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:17.199
experience in a real estate office. And I hope that

1399
01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:19.880
heist didn't come from some experience.

1400
01:19:20.399 --> 01:19:23.880
Let's hope not I got one. I would love to

1401
01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:28.800
talk with you as about and again it's one of

1402
01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:30.359
those It's one of these movies where I'm like, we

1403
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:33.199
got to cover this at some point. There's a movie

1404
01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:37.800
from nineteen ninety seven that David Mammott wrote the screenplay for.

1405
01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:42.279
It's called The Edge, with Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin.

1406
01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:43.239
Have you guys seen this one?

1407
01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:44.199
Yes?

1408
01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:50.760
Okay the Bear right, yes, Bart the Bear. Yeah. If

1409
01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:54.880
you haven't seen The Edge. Anthony Hopkins is a billionaire

1410
01:19:55.239 --> 01:19:58.640
married to a supermodel who's commedia played by Elle Macpherson,

1411
01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:03.199
and he gets stranded in the Alaskan wilderness with the

1412
01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:08.079
fashion photographer played by Alec Baldwin. And it's basically it's

1413
01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:11.760
like a man versus man versus Nature Nature survival tell

1414
01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:17.800
and it's fantastic. It's Hopkins is just crushing it on

1415
01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:22.199
the screen. One of my favorite Anthony Hopkins characters. I think,

1416
01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:27.159
you know, because he has all this incredible knowledge. All

1417
01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:30.359
his knowledge is like book based and then he has

1418
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:32.520
to apply it to what their situation is. But he

1419
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:35.239
knows what to do because he's read about it, he

1420
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:38.399
studied it, and you know, it's it's a fantastic movie.

1421
01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:43.199
Fun fact about it. Though, When the film underwhelmed at

1422
01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:47.720
the box office, Alec Baldwin blamed the director. I think

1423
01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:49.920
that was I think was Lee tom Ahore, if I'm

1424
01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:53.479
not mistaken. He blamed the director though, for focusing more

1425
01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:57.800
on action and less on character development and basically watering

1426
01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:02.359
down man It's screenplay. Baldwin, like in his memoirs, was like,

1427
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:05.239
you know, if he just would have stuck the Mammut script,

1428
01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:06.399
this would have been a hit.

1429
01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:07.960
Right.

1430
01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:11.960
I am today's years old to quote Matt that I

1431
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:15.760
learned that David Mammontt wrote that script. Yeah, that story.

1432
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:20.199
I did not know that. Well, I've got one last

1433
01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:23.880
question for you guys, and you know, normally i'd phrase

1434
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:28.640
the question differently. Given who you two are, I have

1435
01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:34.279
to ask. We'll start with Matt here. Matt Heist is

1436
01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:38.520
celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary this year. Does it groove

1437
01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:39.960
through the decades or has.

1438
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:49.560
I would give it a solid groups to the decades.

1439
01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:53.079
I can't speak to how it grooved back in two

1440
01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:57.720
thousand and one because sadly I missed it. I didn't.

1441
01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:00.000
I never saw it, which is shocker to me because

1442
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:02.880
this is definitely the kind of movie I would have enjoyed.

1443
01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:05.720
But again, there's a lot of stuff going on. Also,

1444
01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:10.960
let's see my Yeah, I was gonna say our first

1445
01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:14.680
kid was turned in like ten so and the whole

1446
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:17.520
nine to eleven things, So we didn't see it. So

1447
01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:19.800
I loved it. I really thought it was a great movie.

1448
01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:22.760
I really enjoyed it. I love the like I said,

1449
01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:25.560
I love the sort of planning and that the idea

1450
01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:28.359
that that there was a plan and a backup plan

1451
01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:30.680
and a and a plan that I know this guy's

1452
01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:32.680
going to double cross me, and a plan that I

1453
01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:35.640
know my wife's gonna maybe run off with this young

1454
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:39.399
stud and stuff like that. So that was really enjoyable

1455
01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:41.720
to me. And I loved how Chuck described it that

1456
01:22:42.520 --> 01:22:46.760
it we're being shown just enough to suspect he has

1457
01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:49.279
a plan, but then somebody gets shot and you're like,

1458
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:53.640
well that plan didn't work out, so clearly not great there,

1459
01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:57.520
you know, And then it's just good. It kept guessing,

1460
01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:00.279
but it kept you Also at the very end gives

1461
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:04.079
you a nice positive twist that makes you kind of happy.

1462
01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:06.920
So yeah, definitely, yeah, film's up.

1463
01:23:07.439 --> 01:23:12.800
Yeah, Chuck, how about it? Does does Heist still groove? Wow?

1464
01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:17.359
Does this film still groove? Something that I like about

1465
01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:20.720
this film, and I said it earlier, this this film

1466
01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:24.119
is it should not have come out at this time.

1467
01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:26.399
It came out at the wrong time. It was maybe

1468
01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:28.920
ten years before it could have been even have been

1469
01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:31.920
a film in the seventies, or it could have been

1470
01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:36.199
a film or even a TV series today, you know,

1471
01:23:36.359 --> 01:23:39.479
on a you know, a ten part series or something

1472
01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:43.319
along those lines. And there was a real opportunity here

1473
01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:45.880
that this film could have gone where Jimmy Silk was

1474
01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:49.720
the young pop who was like the protege of Joe

1475
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:54.720
Moore just learning everything, but Jimmy Silk was not that guy,

1476
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:57.520
and the two of them were budding heads. And it

1477
01:23:57.680 --> 01:24:01.039
was something that I was not expecting when this film

1478
01:24:01.159 --> 01:24:06.359
first started. And this film really just really just really

1479
01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:09.039
took all of my expectations and kind of threw them

1480
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:12.279
out the door. And this is a film that you

1481
01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:16.199
can watch multiple times because you're going to start seeing

1482
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:20.000
different things, Like you know, you're going to start seeing

1483
01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:24.159
the strategic use of stickers and magnets as you start

1484
01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:27.520
to put together that well, wait a minute, we never

1485
01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:31.960
actually saw them pull those boxes out of this box, right, yes, yes,

1486
01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:34.920
and you don't ever see that and you at first

1487
01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:39.159
I felt like, oh my gosh, this film lied to me. Right,

1488
01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:42.800
there's a switch. There's always a switch in these movies.

1489
01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:45.960
But when did it happen? And I totally missed it.

1490
01:24:46.119 --> 01:24:48.159
I didn't even see it until like the third time,

1491
01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:50.640
and that's when I started sending you the pictures that

1492
01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:52.159
is like, oh my gosh.

1493
01:24:52.399 --> 01:24:58.399
This is so clever, and yeah, I had to. When

1494
01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:00.640
I saw your text messages this morning, I was like, well,

1495
01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:05.000
I'm gonna reframe some of what I was going to

1496
01:25:05.079 --> 01:25:08.439
talk about because Chuck caught it. He's seen it, and

1497
01:25:08.600 --> 01:25:10.399
I'm sure Matt's seen it too then, so we're I'm

1498
01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:12.720
not gonna be the whole Hey did you check out

1499
01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:17.800
the switch of the Yeah, you guys saw it. It's there,

1500
01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:20.279
and see it there the way he shoots it. Though

1501
01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:22.119
I don't this.

1502
01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:25.720
This is something though that I don't really want to

1503
01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:30.520
go into much more detail other than you know, prepared

1504
01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:32.640
to watch this a couple of times because you're gonna

1505
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:34.199
see different things and you're going to see how it

1506
01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:36.479
all works together. And because of that, it has that

1507
01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:40.560
replayability and it's enjoyable and the dialogue is just incredible.

1508
01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:44.239
There's a ton of funny stuff in this film as

1509
01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:47.199
far as the writing goes. And for me, I mean

1510
01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:49.600
it just I don't know. Eight grooves. I have to

1511
01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:52.399
agree with Matt. I did not see it back when

1512
01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:55.760
it came out, but this movie grooves and wow, what

1513
01:25:55.920 --> 01:25:57.199
a what a gem of a film.

1514
01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:00.560
Fantastic. Well listen, I want to think both of you

1515
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:06.399
for for helping me out while the whole team takes vacations.

1516
01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:08.520
I stayed behind because you know, the show must go on.

1517
01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:11.199
But uh, I could not have asked for a better

1518
01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:15.039
group of guys to talk Heist, to talk Gene Hackman.

1519
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:19.359
Uh I, as far as I'm concerned, this is definitely

1520
01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:22.800
a watch for any Hackman fans. Uh It's not streaming

1521
01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:24.800
on any of the platforms, but you can rent it

1522
01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:28.279
or buy it on Apple, TV and Prime. But this

1523
01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:30.000
is one I'm definitely gonna I need. I need a

1524
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.439
physical copy for sure. I'm hoping there's a good, a

1525
01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:36.720
good quality Blu ray out there. Of it. Uh So, guys,

1526
01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:41.319
before before you head head back to head back to

1527
01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:44.600
your your your show, tell us what's coming up next

1528
01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:46.840
on the Cinematic Flashback podcast.

1529
01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:51.560
Well, we're in July and that can only mean one

1530
01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:57.960
thing summer fun. And we're starting off with our trucker salute.

1531
01:26:58.079 --> 01:27:02.640
It's keep on Trucking Month at Cinematic Flashback. We're going

1532
01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:05.600
to talk about a little, i don't know, a little

1533
01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:10.399
unique thing in the seventies called that Cbee craze, and

1534
01:27:10.640 --> 01:27:13.279
there were a lot of truck exploitation flicks that came

1535
01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:15.760
out at the time, and we're talking about two of them.

1536
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:18.720
We're going to talk about White Line Fever, and then

1537
01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:21.119
we're going to go over and White Line Fever is

1538
01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:25.359
a film that was inspired by Sam Peckhampah. And then

1539
01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:27.720
we go and we're going to talk about a Sam

1540
01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:34.399
Peckhampah truck movie called Convoy. And then next month we

1541
01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:38.479
want you to come back again because we're diving into

1542
01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:45.399
the waters again with Jawsploitation Month. We are starting off

1543
01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:50.319
with a Richard Harris film from nineteen seventy seven where

1544
01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:54.560
he goes toe to fin with a giant killer whale

1545
01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:57.319
in Orca RCA the Killer.

1546
01:27:57.439 --> 01:28:00.279
Well, okay, I can I take a stab, but what

1547
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:02.199
you what might compliment that one?

1548
01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:04.239
Ah, that would be great if you could.

1549
01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:08.720
It's the seventies. You gotta be talking Piranha.

1550
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:15.119
There you go, Joe Dante. We got we got Joe Dante, uh,

1551
01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:17.880
coming right up from one of my favorite schools, the

1552
01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:22.159
schools of Roger Corman. And he's gonna not only make

1553
01:28:22.279 --> 01:28:27.000
us afraid to go into a river, He's gonna make

1554
01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:29.399
us basically afraid to go into any body of water.

1555
01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:31.920
So I'm just gonna suggest you stay in the boat.

1556
01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:35.319
Not a bad choice. I'd love the fact that you

1557
01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:39.039
are following duel with Trucker Monthly.

1558
01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:44.279
Well, you know what a segue man, And honestly, it

1559
01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:48.119
kind of worked out that way, and we started noticing that.

1560
01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:51.760
It's smoother than we deserve.

1561
01:28:52.880 --> 01:28:54.720
Fantastic. It's fantastic.

1562
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:56.279
We planned it that way.

1563
01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:02.640
Yeah, Listeners, please be sure to check out the cinemat

1564
01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:08.439
Flashback podcast. It is the definitive podcast for fans of

1565
01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:12.960
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1566
01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:16.960
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1567
01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:20.800
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1568
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1569
01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:28.279
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1570
01:29:28.359 --> 01:29:32.520
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1571
01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:35.319
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