June 17, 2026

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek TOS | The Enemy Within | Mudd's Women | What Are Little Girls Made Of?

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek TOS | The Enemy Within | Mudd's Women | What Are Little Girls Made Of?
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Season 7

On Phasers Set To Stun, we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more!

We're celebrating 60 years of Star Trek by warping back to the beginning to examine the original series! On this episode, Wayne, David, and Scott look back on three episodes that helped the series take shape; The Enemy Within, Mudd's Women, and What Are Little Girls Made Of?

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage and debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to to base cycle. Oh

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excuse me to stun where we continue to show our

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love for everything Star Trek in this ongoing series from

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a film by podcast which focuses on every quadrant of

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the explaining universe of Trek, a covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise,

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and so much more. Plotting the course, as always is

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your Core Trek crew. I'm David Burns, and I'm Scott

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Hoffman and.

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I'm Wayne Whiten.

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Let's continue our journey through the original series. Since we

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hear at Phasers Set the Stunt are joining in on

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the celebration of the sixtieth anniversary of Star Trek. In

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today's episode, we are going to discuss three more episodes

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from season one. So without further ado, let us get

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into the transporter and beam our way into the mission

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that lays ahead of us. Scott, I have to comment

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here about something in regards to your comment about every

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episode feels like the Twilight Zone. That has changed my

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outlook on this series. Now every time I see it,

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that runs through my mind. It is every freaking episode

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feels like a Twilight episode now, Twilight Zone episode. Yeah,

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and I can't get it out of my head now,

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which is fine. It gives me a new way to

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look at Star Trek. But I just wanted to thank

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you for that because I never ever looked at it

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that way. So you said that, Yeah, no problem.

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I mean, it is interesting.

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They kind of compare like the way that Deep Spaceline

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had a very specific through arc. Next Generation had a

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lot of that too, and this series does. But it's

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just kind of like, especially early on, it was very

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kind of e disotic, mind bending kind of stuff.

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It would make sense because this first episode we're talking

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about was written by one of the most prolific writers

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of The Twilight Zone, one of the most famous ones.

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So yeah, of course it's kind of feel like it.

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Yeah, absolutely, And of course we're talking about episode five,

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The Enemy Within. This is aired on October sixth, nineteen

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sixty six, directed by Leo Penn, written by Richard Matheson.

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A transporter malfunction tears Captain Kirk into two separate beings,

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one gentle and compassionate, the other violent and dangerously primal,

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while the other well. The crew struggles to understand and

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contain both halves. A landing party remains stranded on the

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planet below, where the temperature is plummeting fast, with no

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way to beam them back until the transporter is fixed,

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because apparently at this time they do not have shuttles.

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Their survival depends on reuniting Kirk's divide itself before the

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colde claims them. So, gentlemen, as we have this episode,

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it's funny that, you know, in the two of these

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episodes that we're gonna be talking about tonight, we see

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two William Shatner, two Kirks. So he kind of gets

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to explore that part of himself, which is kind of

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unique in itself. But this one, which I always remember

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as the eyeliner Kirk, I do every time I think

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about this episode, that's my mind immediately goes to the

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eyeliner Kirk evil, you know, because it is really because

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they did that on purpose. They gave him that that

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that look, so that he had that that that evil

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look to himself. I thought William Shatner was awesome in

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this episode. I mean, he I love him in every episode,

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but this one. The fact that he got to explore

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two different parts of himself. I mean some of it

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obviously was a little over exaggerated in his performance of

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the evil Kirk, but I still really enjoyed it. I thought,

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I thought it was unique in itself, but overall, I

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really enjoyed this others.

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So what about you, guys, So Wayne, you should probably

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go ahead and go first.

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All right, Well, I actually liked this episode.

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I think The Enemy Within is one of those early

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Star Trek episodes that really works well because it's more

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about the characters than the normal science fiching gimmick. You know,

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we don't have any outside threats. All the threats are

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coming from within, and William Shatner is having it looks

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like having a great time playing the two versions of Kirk. Really,

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it ends up showing a lot about how Kirk, you know,

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works as a captain in the first place. You know. Now,

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some parts of the episode do feel a little unsettling,

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especially with when it comes to Kirk and Janis Rand,

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but you know, it kind of helps set that the

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darker version of Kirk is really unsettling see what they

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were going for. But the episode does a good job

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showing that, you know, people aren't just made up of

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their quality, good qualities or bad qualities. It's just to me,

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it's one of the more memorable Season one episodes, one

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of the ones that I really stand out from when

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I watched.

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It all the way back in the eighties.

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Just bacausal because it mixes, you know, your typical fun

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sci fi you know premise. We see this all the time,

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you know, where you get split into good and bad

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in sci fi.

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But there's a lot of great ideas in this episode,

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is what I'm saying, and I enjoy it.

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I think, Scott, before you you go on about how

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you feel about the episode, there is there is some

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some parts of Wayne mentioned that you're kind of like, uh,

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that's a struggle. But what I like is about the

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comment that I think it was Spock who made it,

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who says, you know, he needs Kirk, needs that side

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of him to make him who he is, you know,

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and it's true. I mean, I don't think we would

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have the the strong Kirk that we got if he

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didn't have that.

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In him.

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Now, I'm not saying he has the potential of you know,

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going that far as he does the evil side of Kirk,

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but you know, he's got that balance in him that

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gives him that drive, gives him those decisions that he

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makes to become the leader, the captain that we know

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of the Enterprise. So I thought that was a very

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unique comment that Spot had made, and then Kirk obviously

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talks about that a little bit later in the episode.

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So I thought that was great.

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I always felt that, you know, when you split the two,

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it kind of enhances, like the good side is enhancement

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and the bad side is enhanced because you don't have

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the other side counterbalancing it.

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So, you know, while Kirk.

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May not do that in normal life, you know, but

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he probably does have a little bit of you know,

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lust in him, but without the good side to counterbalance that,

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to to to put it in check, it's left loose.

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And this is what we see.

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Yeah, exactly, So Scott, what about you?

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Yeah, I mean I think it is an interesting episode.

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It's a it's an interesting concept. I agree that it's you.

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Know, well written.

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I'll get to the problematic parts in a minute, and

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that William Stners does a great job of showing a

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lot of range here. I think one of the things

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that stood out to me or impressed me most about

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it was the aspect of kind of the downside of

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his good half. Reminded me of where they are trying

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to go with Pike in that episode where he I

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forget the name of it, from Strange New Worlds, where

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he's in charge when they kind of the rivulence for

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the first time and because of his tendency to be

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more diplomatic. Now that's more of an extreme. It's not

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saying that, you know, here he's so indecisive and gentle

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and also the kind of stuff. So I don't think

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that's necessarily Pike and I don't think they went quite

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meek with it. But it's interesting to not make it

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that it's, you know, the good side is inherently good,

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and that we should you know, completely lean into that

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because there are problems with it.

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I don't like to watch this episode. I've seen it once.

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Before and it really made my skin crawl the first time,

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and this time I was watching it, there were a

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couple of different parts that obviously.

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My my skin crawl.

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There's the you know, the sexual assault on Yemen Rand

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and then Spock's reaction to it at the end, Yeah,

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where he makes that off comment, it's just wow. So

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I mean that, you know, if somebody hasn't seen it before,

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just warning that there's this kind of content and those

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reactions will you know probably you know, in sense a

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couple of viewers to say like this is this is

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not okay and we need to talk about it. We

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want to talk about it here. But it's it's definitely

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something that that's problematic and just makes it difficult to watch.

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What I found interesting though this time in watching it

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was just my I was kind of thrown off by

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their delay in just saying, for the good of the ship,

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anybody who looks like James Kirk, let's put them in

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a brig, let's put them off to the side.

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It's not challenging his you know, captaincy.

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Or anything else like that to do so, but like

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it almost seemed like the scene where Evil Kirk asks

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the guy for a phaser, it seems like they just

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made the announcement, like, by the way, there's a duplicate. Okay,

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first guy you see like looks like James Kirk, give

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me a phaser, huh, and he's like, oh sure, that's like,

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wait a second, just lock them both up until we

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can figure out this transporter thing and then everything you'll

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be fine. But anyway, it's a it's a good concept.

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It's just I don't know, it's hard to get past

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some of those things.

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In a perfect world.

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Sc Well, Scott, I'm gonna throw here this. This is

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what really bought. This is what bothers me with this,

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because I think it's a big problem. Now the whole

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point of this episode. You know, Sulu and his landing

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party are trapped on the planet. They can't get back

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up that that's right, that's that's the big dilemma. Well,

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let me ask this. Why didn't they just go down

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and pick him up in a shuttlecraft?

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That's what I said in the summer at the where's

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the shuttle? Yeah?

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I mean it, you know, so they're there. Yeah, I

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guess you can't look too deep in this story, No

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you can't.

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Apparently these shutle didn't exist on the Enterprise at this time.

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I don't know.

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Well, yeah, I think I think Sulu was uh speaking

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for Wayne in this episode when he's like, is there

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any chance you guys have just.

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Like a very big rope.

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They could just lower down, like you're a ship full

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of scientists. Find sway to just like I don't know,

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put a get hollow out a photon torpedo, yeah, and

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launch it at the surface with just you know, supplies

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that could work and whatever is left of that crash.

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We'll just use it.

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Yeah, And it doesn't make any sense now. I believe

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this is the first episode that McCoy says he's dead, Jim,

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isn't it? Yeah, Oh it's the poor doggie, the poor doggie.

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That dog.

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Yeah, that dog in that costume? Are you getting me? Okay?

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You could tell that's nineteen sixty six. Yeah, oh yeah,

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that that had MST three thousand written all over that one.

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Yeah.

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When I saw that cost oh yeah.

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I mean, like, let's shave it's back, give it a horn,

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a couple of antennas, and a possle tail, like, sure,

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hasn't this dog been through it off?

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I know?

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Poor thing?

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And then where was the horror? She decided not to

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be a part of the crew on this one. She

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just disappeared. It's kind of awkward, how like these first

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few episodes, like some of the crew disappears and we

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don't know where they're at.

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Some of the ones that could be really really useful.

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Yeah yeah, yeah.

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I also just this is one of those episodes, and

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they probably didn't have it at the time, But is

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there not the capability of basically funding somebody on the

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ship and just transporting them onto the transporter pad.

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I don't think they did that yet, Okay.

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I think it was just before Generation Yeah yeah, okay,

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I mean, otherwise we'd have ten minute episodes.

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So sure, at least he saw mister Scott come to

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the rescue again. So hey, I mean, yeah, he's already

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found his place. He's found his groove, right.

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He's like, I just fixed this place case, I know,

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I just keep it fixed for a minute.

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You can tell he's got the guy who comes to

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the rescue all the time. They have clearly already established, right, he's.

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Probably walking into Kirk like, look, I can't be Space

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Schneider for this whole thing.

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You gotta Yeah, okay, all right, well we'll continue on.

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Before we do that, let's take our first very can

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we come back, we'll talk about episode six. All right, listeners,

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welcome back. We'll we're continuing our sixtieth anniversary discussion of

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the first season of Star Trek. We're going to continue

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on with episode six, MUDs Women, aired in October thirteenth,

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nineteen sixty six, directed by Harvey Hart and written by

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Stephen Kendall and Jeene Roddenberry Scott. What's this episode all about?

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Yeah? Also known as Where the Heck Is a Hohoa?

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Part two?

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Yeah, Kirk's crew saves a matchmaking space pimp with three

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women that he's delivering to wealthy columns, but the encounter

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with Mudship leaves Enterprise with almost no power. The search

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for new di lithium brings them to a planet rich

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in the rare element, and eventually the answer to the

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mystery of MUD's Women. Problematic episode number two.

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Yeah, boy, this is the nineteen sixties. There's no doubt

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about that. In watching this series.

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Oh yeah, yeah, Oh my god, the like the dumbfounded

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looks of everybody, Like the like you could do a

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drinking game on how many dirt faces bones makes just

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like go pretty like snap out of every buddy.

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You know. An interesting thing here that I discovered in

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watching this it actually doing research for this episode was

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Geene Runbury planning bring Harry Mudd back for the Next

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Generation for an episode, but apparently that actor passed away

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and they couldn't do it.

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Yeah I don't.

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Okay, yeah, I know, but apparently he wanted it, so

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I'm like, okay.

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Yeah, but I wonder, like, considering how Diforest Kelly is

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shown in Next Generation, I would be interested to see

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what he'd look like gold It just be like Ron

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Jeremy in his nineties or something.

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Yeah, well, I mean you could be who knows.

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So it helped me out first time or question here

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fast forward to the end. They give Eve a gummy bear,

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and her inner confidence is able to apply makeup and

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straighten her hair and make her look make herself look beautiful.

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So did MUDs women have any kind of powers at

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all other than this Venus drug that would just automatically

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apply makeup and give them better hair.

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I see, I think had the venus thing before, right

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before they got on Enterprise, and then Kirk and crew

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discovered it and replaced it. Obviously, so at one point

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the Venus medication did do that, but I don't know

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if maybe because they took it so much that maybe

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they developed the power so that they didn't need that

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drug anymore. Maybe I don't know, because I was kind

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of confused by that too.

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Scott, Yeah, it's confusing. I was thinking that same way too.

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Yeah.

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It also kind of brought me back to a previous episode,

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The Man Trap, because it almost seemed like they were

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kind of implying they've got these, you know, powers to

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kind of like like hypno seduce men or something like that,

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just to get them all like make them all idiots

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like Bones.

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Sorry, it was just it was just drooling so much.

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It was fun to watch spot.

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Yeah, but it did make me think, like, is there's

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some kind of like you know, special powers that they

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have or whatever.

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It was interesting. I mean, Mud is obviously an iconic

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character in it.

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I think it's interesting what they did with him in

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Strange New Worlds. But like, I'm I'm glad that Spock

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was there to be the one that was just like

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look nice, try.

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Like you're you're still you're barking up the wrong tree.

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But after they all, like especially Bones, turned into kind

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of like droolling idiots in the tribunal, m like, Okay,

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let's get a nurse chapel, Let's get a r H.

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Let's get Jim and Rand maybe.

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To sit on this and and give you guys, you know,

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a break, like go stand in the hallway.

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I know they're pretty, but go we got to do

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some work here they what did you think?

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No, I'm I'm with you. I always struggle with this

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episode because I'm not I'm not a big fan of

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the villain in this episode at all, because he's nothing

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but a space pimp. So I just he is, well, yeah,

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you're right, You're right. Yeah, It's just I don't know,

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I've never been a fan of this episode. I mean

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with I'm with you, Scott, when I when the fact

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that I love Spock in this just because it's like

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whatever to him, they don't have any powers over him whatsoever.

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And you can almost see that smirk on his faith

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when he sees the reaction of other crew members when

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that stuff is going on. So, I mean, I get

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a kick out of that that that episode, but beyond that,

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this is one of my least favorite episodes. To be

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honest with you, Wall what about you?

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Well, now I agree, it's it's a very uneven episode.

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I can't believe that Roddenberry was actually considering this as

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one of the pilots I'm so glad they didn't choose

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this one. But I am in the exact opposite in

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the fact that I really think that Harry Mud steals

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every scene that he's in. I think he's probably the

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one good thing that came out of this because I

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like Roger c.

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Carmel.

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I like him in all of his work. He's been

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in practically every freaking thing in the sixties, seventies, and eighties,

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and he's so good and I like his character here,

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and of course, you know, he comes back and there's

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some there are some interesting ideas here, you know, the

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whole thing about you know, beauty and confidence, and but

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it's just so dated, so oh nineteen sixties, you know,

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and it's you know, it's it's nineteen sixties commentary, is

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what it is. There's a message, you know, but I'm

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not gonna call it. It's definitely not one of the

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strongest episodes. Is probably one of the weakest, but I

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think Harry might MUD's personality and his weird mix of

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comedy and is just it kind of makes it memorable

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for me a little bit. Definitely one of the weakest

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for the season.

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I mean, I'm not gonna take anyway with him. From

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his performance, You're right, I thought he did a great

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jobs as mud, you know, being a trickster and again

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going back to being he's a space pampa. But beyond that, yeah,

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I thought I thought he did a really good job.

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So if this was his only appearance, I would agree

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one hundred percent. But the fact that we I know

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he comes back a couple of other times and I

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see all of it all together kind of lets me

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look past some of the things that he's doing in

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this episode.

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If you understand.

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No, absolutely, I'm with you on that for sure.

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I like buds of Mustache more than that.

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But it does a great job and they have, interestingly enough,

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a nineteen eighty six connection.

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Uh.

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He was apparently the voice of psych Clonus and one

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of the Quinnisan leaders.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, okay, I'm not gonna watch that movie at the

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same way.

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I've heard that now you see as much look at

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that exactly. Yeah, intern interesting episode, that's for sure. All right, Well,

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we will continue on, but before we do that, let's

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go ahead and take another break, guys, and we come back.

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We'll talk about episode seven Welcome Back to Listeners, where Scott,

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Wayne and I here at Phaser Set to Sun are

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continuing our discussion of the original Star Trek. We're going

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to continue with episode seven, What Are Little Girls Made Of?

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Aired October twentieth, nineteen sixty six, directed by James Goldstone

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and written by Robert Bloch. Wayne tell us about this episode.

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Captain Kirk and Nurse Chapel travel to the frozen world

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of So three to find doctor Roger Corby I, only

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to discover that he's been using an ancient alien technology

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to create androids, including duplicates of people, and that his

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assistant and allies are artificial beings. After Krby replaces himself

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with an android body and attempts to expand his creations,

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Kirk exposes the danger of these plans, leading to Doctor

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Kirby and his android companion Andrea, destroying themselves. I think

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what Our Little Girls Made Of? Its probably one of

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the more creepier early Star Trek episodes, I think it is.

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But it does a really good job creating a very

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unsettling atmosphere. Again, it has that Twilight Zone feel.

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To it, you know, with the twists and everything.

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It kind of feels a little bit about you know,

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starts off a little bit like a mystery, but then

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you know it's just it's really a story about you know,

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identity and humanity.

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You know.

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I think Michael Strong plays are eight performance as doctor

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Krby because he's not just a straightforward villain, you know,

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it comes more across as someone who's convinced himself that

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giving up his humanity is progress, which you know.

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We all know is not.

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That's been done over and over through many different sci

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fi shows and movies.

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Yeah.

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I like the episode for one thing, because it gives

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Nurse Chapel some very important character moments.

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Agree with that.

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You know, she's tied very specifically to this story, you know,

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I like that. It's it's one of the more atmospheric moments.

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It's definitely probably the best episode with her in it.

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But it is an awfully slow episode in my opinion,

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and that really makes this hard for me to watch.

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Yeah, I completely agree that Nimsthus and forth for running

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around aka Lurch, you know, doing his thing. I to

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work with nimiths and for for whenever a felling beyond that. Yeah,

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it really after watching this episode for this last time,

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it really made me think about this is where Noon

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and Son Soon came from. And data, but the creation

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you could see when Geen ryen Berry was creating the

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Next Generation, he clearly thought back to this episode and

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developed data from this. It's the way I felt, anyway,

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because there's a lot of similarities here with those episodes

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that we learned later on about data obviously, you know,

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so I definitely see that. Yeah, the episode was kind

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of again you can tell us in the nineteen sixty

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six kind of vibe going on here, where you know,

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kiss me to Kirk and those kind of things, and

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like the giving the commands of her to kiss Kirk

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and slap Kirk, and you know, it's kind of like

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and not to mention the wardrobe of course of her,

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but it's like whatever, you know, it's it's nineteen sixty six,

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you know, But and these three episodes are I know.

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I was just like, yeah, I mean, I love that.

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What was the costume Williams feast? I think he was

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really going for some weird, weird future outfits and I

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love that.

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I love it like that they were trying that.

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I have to say, one of the things I really

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busted out laughing at that probably was not supposed to

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be funny. When Kirk does that role to get done, Like,

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are you kidding?

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This is?

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Yeah, Park, that's what that is. So I literally bust

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out laughing at that. You know, I haven't seen these

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episodes in years, so clearly some of it's like, oh,

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I forgot about that, But yeah, I still enjoyed it.

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Don't get me wrong. I may pick on a little bit,

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but I still am a huge fan of the O

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G Star Trek. But I'm here's what Scott has to say,

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since you know, he's kind of our first time or

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through this stuff.

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Yeah, So I mean, definitely a lot of callbacks, and

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definitely it's hard to watch something like this without thinking

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of data or any of the other you know, uh,

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particularly the episode of Next where there's somebody who uh

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kind of puts his consciousness into data.

473
00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:07.759
It seems like this is almost.

474
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:11.000
Like they the schizoid man, right right.

475
00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.839
Yeah, it'd definitely be interesting to kind of look at,

476
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:19.759
you know, the development of cybernetics throughout the Cannon to say, like,

477
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:24.559
you know, were there variations on this, did soon look

478
00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:27.680
into what was being done here? Was completely different technology

479
00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:31.960
also kind of reminded me of Batman and the animated

480
00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:35.319
series Heard of Steel with hard act and the replicants

481
00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:39.920
that can't quite tell themselves from from the real thing,

482
00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:41.640
which is where I thought they would go when they

483
00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:46.119
made the awkward you know, let's clone naked Kirk on

484
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:51.519
a lazy Susan for some reason. But yeah, Nurse Chapel

485
00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:54.359
has a has a great range here. Major Barrett does

486
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:57.240
another amazing job. It's hard not to watch this episode

487
00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.759
through a Strange New World's lens. First, Yeah, because of

488
00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:03.240
knowing Roger Corby and I was like, oh my god,

489
00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:05.799
I mean he was all right in Strange New Worlds.

490
00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:06.960
Has he really become this much.

491
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:07.960
Of a jerk?

492
00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:13.200
Like yes, but seeing that, you know what eventually happens.

493
00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:18.119
And Ted Cassidy was just a delight to see as

494
00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:23.079
Rook doing his beyond lurch kind of moments. I'm glad

495
00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:25.559
they didn't just make him a big bruiser that they

496
00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:27.799
actually made him intelligent. There were some times when he

497
00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:31.799
almost had some kind of vulcan undertone. I did think

498
00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:34.359
it's kind of interesting, like you know, it's it's interesting

499
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.759
like the Batman sixty six kind of technology that we

500
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:42.079
deal with with here. As they're making this very specific process.

501
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:47.400
They basically just have these brightly colored dials with no numbers,

502
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.240
know whatsoever. It's just like, maybe a little bit more here,

503
00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:52.480
what exactly is that supposed to do?

504
00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:55.160
Well, look at the bridge of the Enterprise, it's the

505
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.480
same way.

506
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:02.440
And I love the first time that uh Chapel sees

507
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:05.680
Andrea and just gives it that look up and down like,

508
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:09.119
who the hell is this tramp like coming down here

509
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:12.920
to see my long lost fiance. And first person that

510
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:16.480
walks out is you know, sports illustrated swimsuit model.

511
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:19.000
So probably not.

512
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.200
Rogers's best choice to say, like, look who I created first.

513
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:24.000
You know, for no reason?

514
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:25.200
Yeah, probably not.

515
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.799
But Kirk does another great job of that kind of duality,

516
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:33.880
and you know which one is real? Yeah, so interesting,

517
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:35.359
But I agree with Wayne a little bit slow.

518
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:41.039
Yeah, and again no McCoy, no Sulu, no Scott, this

519
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:42.359
crew disappearing.

520
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.240
To for crying out loud and the shuttles are still

521
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:45.599
in the shop.

522
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:51.160
And yeah, no idea, don't get it, but it is

523
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:51.559
what it is.

524
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:51.880
I guess.

525
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:53.960
I don't know. I did. I did find a humorous

526
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.000
when Kirk was getting thrown around like a rag doll

527
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.039
by Nimus Nemesis enforcer. I thought that was.

528
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:00.920
Yeah cool, that had to be fun.

529
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.119
Oh yeah, just filming that had to be like, wait,

530
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:05.000
I didn't get that right, let me lift Shatner in

531
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:05.559
the air again.

532
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:07.720
Yeah.

533
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:09.240
I mean to take it that they go through on

534
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:12.480
that one for sure, right, I don't know, but yeah,

535
00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.279
I Nurse Chapel was fantastic in this episode. It was

536
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.640
nice to get to see them explore her character. And

537
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.359
I believe we find out here some background from her

538
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.680
that they use in Strange in worlds. Don't we about her?

539
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.160
Why she's on the enterprise or you know? That decision?

540
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:29.920
So I'm glad that they went that route because when

541
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:31.559
you see it in Strange your world, you're like, did

542
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.759
that ever come up? And clearly it did right here.

543
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:34.920
It's proof.

544
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:37.880
What I'd forgotten is how early in the series this

545
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.920
was restrora surprised me that they're dealing with this character

546
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:41.839
this early.

547
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.160
Yeah, which it is a good thing too. So and

548
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:46.920
if my understanding is, and I know we're not to

549
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:51.839
the Phaser facts yet, but the last episode MUD's Women,

550
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:53.880
wasn't Michel Barrett the voice of the computer.

551
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:54.960
Yeah?

552
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:56.119
I think yes, she was.

553
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:58.319
Yes, So it's kind of kind of neat that we're

554
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.440
already seeing that happening. Obviously, we know she's the voice

555
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.960
of the Enterprise in the next generation, so that's really

556
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.039
neat to see that they were already doing that and

557
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:09.720
establishing that. I'm like, geez, I didn't realize how far

558
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:12.759
advanced they did these kind of things, you know. Yeah, yeah,

559
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:15.519
But see, this is why going back to revisit these

560
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.519
kind of shows, because first off, you probably don't remember

561
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:20.119
or you didn't pick up on it, but going back

562
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.000
and rewatching and you're realizing you're starting to put all

563
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.960
the pieces of the puzzle together where that stuff was born.

564
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.079
Yes, that's that's the way I'm feeling right now too.

565
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.079
It's great to watch the especially this episode since we

566
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:34.119
got season four of Stranging Worlds coming up, which continues

567
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:35.920
that Roger Corby storyline.

568
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:36.440
Yeah.

569
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.559
Yeah, well, and I mean it did catch my attention, Like,

570
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:43.079
and I mentioned like archaeological medicine as an area of study,

571
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.079
and I feel like there's kind of a probably unintentional,

572
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:49.440
but like a glancing moment when Chapel is talking about

573
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:52.359
going down to see Corby, and there's a look that

574
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.240
Spot gives that almost feels like maybe a little bit

575
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:57.960
of jealousy and maybe a little bit of a history

576
00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:59.799
with Nurse Chapel, so it's interesting.

577
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:01.640
Well they've they've kind of carried that for you and

578
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:02.240
straight world.

579
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:06.039
Yeah, absolutely, well, good deal. All right, Well, let's get

580
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:10.039
to some of our favorite portions of this episode. Which

581
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:14.400
character shine the most? Scott, I'm gonna let you go first.

582
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:16.279
I'm going to say a Nurse Chapel.

583
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.000
It's it's hard to pick somebody who shines an enemy

584
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.039
within and MUDs women consider what's going on. But I

585
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:29.960
just love having an episode this far in that's still

586
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.960
focusing on Nurse Chapels as a central character and giving

587
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:39.440
her some kind of emotional drama to deal with. And

588
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:40.640
I think she just did a great job.

589
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:42.839
And now, Wayne, what about you?

590
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.119
No, I agree one hundred percent. And I chose Christine

591
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:49.799
Chapel too, mainly because you know of her center stage

592
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:53.000
and what are little Girls made of? It gives her

593
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.319
something personal and emotional to do rather than just you know,

594
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:01.160
hiding in the background like her character usually does. You know,

595
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:04.759
you really feel how much hope she has gone into

596
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:06.640
the mission, and then how painful she is when she

597
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:10.400
realizes that Corby just isn't the guy that she remembered.

598
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:13.680
She just comes across in this that episode is more

599
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:16.839
capable than you know we usually give credit for her

600
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:20.880
in most of the episodes. She doesn't fall apart when

601
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:25.119
she sees what's happening, She keeps her composure. She you know,

602
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:30.160
it's it's exactly what we know today of Christine Chapel

603
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.799
from Stranger Into Worlds. A lot of emotional depth, and

604
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.079
it just makes her feel more of a supporting character

605
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:39.000
rather than just someone stuck in the sick day. And

606
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.799
that's why I liked her in this episode.

607
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:43.960
That's why I chose her. She definitely got the spotlight.

608
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:46.559
Yeah, I'm definitely going to join you guys on this

609
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.599
with the trifecta decision here in Nurse Capital, for sure.

610
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:51.640
One of the things that I really love that Geene

611
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:55.279
Ruddenberry has done is, I mean, we're only what seven

612
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.240
episodes into the series or fixed seven, whatever it is,

613
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:04.039
and he's already established some of these characters too so

614
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:07.359
well that we're already seeing their development and seeing where

615
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.039
they're going. But you get this mine. I don't call

616
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.559
her a minor character, because Nurse Chapo is a great character,

617
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:16.119
but she's not one of the main main characters. Obviously,

618
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:18.799
She's not kirks Bach or sul R or any of them.

619
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.799
But how quick he's able to move into giving us

620
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.720
development on a character like this and giving us this

621
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:32.440
quick backstory with her and her fiance with Corby. I

622
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:34.440
thought that was so unique on how they do that,

623
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.480
because there's no beating around the bush at all with

624
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:40.599
this character. You're immediately you have her on this ship

625
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:42.960
and they're on their way there and she that's one

626
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:44.599
of the main reasons she's going there to see if

627
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.519
he's so lucky. They hadn't heard from him in like

628
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.880
five years, so, you know, and she's still the fiancee,

629
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.960
you know. So I found that so interesting on how

630
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:54.279
they did That's one of the things I love about

631
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.519
George Lucas and Star Wars and how he jumped right

632
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:58.799
into the middle of the story. You know, you don't

633
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:00.759
need to start at the beginning, right, you don't need

634
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:02.240
to do that, start in the middle of it, because

635
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.799
that keeps your audience guessing and trying to figure out

636
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.200
what's going on and trying to figure out what happened,

637
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:09.440
and it really involves you into the character. And I

638
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:13.640
think that's what made Nurse Chapel so intriguing, so interesting,

639
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:15.920
and just pulled you into that character in this episode.

640
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.200
So by far I agree with both of you on this.

641
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:22.000
Nurse Chapel was fantastic in this episode and clearly the

642
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.119
one that shine the most of all three episodes. All right,

643
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.960
So if you could be any character, who would it be?

644
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:28.519
And why?

645
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:32.480
Wayne, Well, I think I'm going to choose the master

646
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.799
rogue himself, Hardcourt Fenton Mud.

647
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:37.920
Again.

648
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.119
Of course, Honestly, the best thing about Harry Mudd is

649
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.359
just how much funny was and how much funny was

650
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.759
to watch. You know, he's completely shady, and you know

651
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.880
he's lying the whole time, but he's so confident in

652
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.799
himself and full of excuses that it's really it's really

653
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:53.880
hard to not enjoy him.

654
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:55.559
I mean, he's so over the top.

655
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.480
It feels like Mudd is always trying to sell you something,

656
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.279
and when everything's falling apart around him, he don't care.

657
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:04.440
He knows he can get him himself out of that.

658
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.440
I just I just liked the idea of traveling the galaxy,

659
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.359
coming up with crazy schemes and wild ideas and just

660
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:14.000
living that care feet free life of the rogue. I'll

661
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.519
do that, Wayne, Space pimp whited.

662
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:18.559
Here we go.

663
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:21.480
With or without the accent.

664
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:23.880
I'll take the accent, of course.

665
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:26.359
I'll grant you that if you can answer the question

666
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:29.599
as to like when does he bake up that alternate personality?

667
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.079
Because the MUDs women were like, what what are you doing?

668
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:35.200
There's his voice? All right, okay, we're leading into this.

669
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.519
I guess Wayne for your cosplay for the next you

670
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:39.880
mentioned you need that mustache.

671
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:41.480
Okay, oh I can do that.

672
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:42.599
Just get the.

673
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:45.720
Scott what about you?

674
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:47.920
All right, Well, if Wayne can do it, I can

675
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.839
do it too. I'll be rock Oh look at you.

676
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.039
How I was gonna.

677
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:56.319
Say Scottie because he's not necessarily mixed up in any

678
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:58.079
of this mess. He's just trying to fix stuff. But

679
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:03.599
Ted Cassidy is so fun and he's got that. I mean,

680
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.079
I don't know how much of that outfit was patting her,

681
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:07.039
how much of it was him.

682
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.760
But just like the the times when.

683
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:11.880
He gets to pick up Kirk like his rag doll,

684
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:14.239
like you don't see that very often. That's a lot

685
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.480
of you know, just brute strength. And it seemed like

686
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.440
he had a lot of fun in that episode aside

687
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:21.039
from dying.

688
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.760
But that's my part yeah, Dave, what about you?

689
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.920
So I'm going to go the complete opposite direction of

690
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.719
both of you, and well, I mean maybe not kind of.

691
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:36.280
So I'm actually going with the minor that rescues Eve. Okay,

692
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.239
because first off, he's a sleevesball kind of at first, right,

693
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.559
he is, let's let's list admit it. But when he

694
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:44.760
realizes how good he has it with her when he

695
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.239
first off, he becomes the hero because he goes after

696
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.159
her to rescue her, to bring her back to safety.

697
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:53.320
So just in that mere fact, as you're like, oh, okay,

698
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:55.719
you know, I respect that. You know, there might have

699
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:57.800
been some other reasons why he was going after but

700
00:34:57.800 --> 00:34:59.760
you know what, in the end, when those two got

701
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:04.840
along and he really appreciated who she was, then yeah, sure,

702
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.719
but I'll hang out with her with a beautiful lady

703
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:09.679
for as long as possible.

704
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:10.360
I'm good with that.

705
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.599
And I trust when you when you like ward into

706
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.679
his body, just make him less of a jerk when

707
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:16.920
she's like cooking for him while.

708
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.480
He's oh yea absolutely yeah, that's not the second part

709
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.280
of him. It's say, come on, dude, really, don't come on.

710
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.639
Ye yes, totally agree with you on that one.

711
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:25.039
For sure.

712
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:30.519
Cool. All right, well, let's continue on with our phaser facts.

713
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.239
I know, Wayne's probably got a ridiculous amount to go

714
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.639
over here, because there is a decent amount in here.

715
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:40.639
The ones I've already pulled out. There's just we've kind

716
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.800
of already talked about them. You know, Michelle Bairt already

717
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:46.039
be in the computer voice for one of the episodes here,

718
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.559
you know, and then the mention of a mud possibly

719
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:51.039
had coming back for the next reason. I don't know

720
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:52.360
how they would have done that, but it was kind

721
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:57.239
of fun, you know, discovering that. Basically, So scott anything

722
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:58.840
for you before Wayne steals the show.

723
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.639
I mean, there was something that was kind of just

724
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.639
making me curious when Scotty was reaching for the duplicate

725
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:12.840
dog Evil Fluffy Evil Fluffy, Like, they've got that dog

726
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:17.159
so angry and unfortunately it sounds like to do so

727
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.719
they starved it for like twenty four hours.

728
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:20.960
I was poking it with a.

729
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.639
Stick to get the kind of reactions that they needed,

730
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:27.039
and it was so fortunately after that, you know, some

731
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.119
animal rights groups stepped in and said, like, look, you

732
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:33.440
have to, you know, treat animals better in that way.

733
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:36.280
But yeah, it was just I don't know. Took me

734
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:37.920
kind of back to a different time.

735
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:38.480
I guess.

736
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.280
Yeah, you know, the can reminds me not to get

737
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.079
off on a tangent here. But when you mentioned that

738
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:48.440
the original Friday the thirteenth, they actually killed that snake

739
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:50.920
on screen, that was a pet snake. Oh and it

740
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:55.320
actually killed it live on on on screen and they

741
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.280
got a lot of trouble for that. You got a

742
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.000
lot of trouble for that. Yeah, and again the whole

743
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:03.440
animal right thing there. So yeah, I mean I struggle

744
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:05.320
with that kind of stuff as they come on, you know, yea,

745
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.840
the animal I love animals, I don't care. I don't

746
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.679
like snakes, as Wayne knows. Yeah, I'm not gonna.

747
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:13.800
Go kill one. I don't think so.

748
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:15.519
No, but you'll make me get out of the car

749
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:16.639
and make sure one's dead.

750
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:22.800
Yes, I did that funny story. But anyway, Wayne, what

751
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:23.639
you got four?

752
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:24.760
All right?

753
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.559
Well, let's start with talking about the people. First off,

754
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:28.280
the directors.

755
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:28.880
Uh.

756
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.559
The director of the win Enemy Within, which was Leo Pinn,

757
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.480
started off as an actor before he moved into directing

758
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.400
and directed many episodes for shows like Magnum p I,

759
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:41.199
Little House on the Prairie, Saint elsewhere in Colombo. He

760
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.480
also directed one of the earliest episodes of the TV

761
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.199
series Lost in Space, which was titled There Were Giants

762
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:49.239
on the Earth. He is also actor Sean Pinn's father.

763
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:54.119
The other new director, Harvey Hart, who worked on MUDs Women,

764
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:56.239
was at the time the main director of the soap

765
00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:59.800
opera series Peyton's Place. Apparently, Heart was a pain in

766
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.360
the asked to work with on this show and ran

767
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.480
over shooting by a day, which is why he never

768
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:08.840
directed any other Star Trek episodes. Now writers the writer

769
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:12.159
of The Enemy Within, Richard Matheson is probably a name

770
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.440
you'd recognize. He was the original writer of What Dreams

771
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:19.039
May Come, Somewhere in Time, The Legend of Hell House,

772
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:23.000
and I Am Legend. Both all of those were adapted

773
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:26.199
into later films. He also wrote the TV movie Duel,

774
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.199
the Steven Spielberg film that David and I we talked

775
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:32.800
about in an earlier podcast. But more importantly, he wrote,

776
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.320
I shouldn't say more importantly, it's obviously not. Those are

777
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.800
big films. But he wrote sixteen episodes of The Twilight Zoon,

778
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:41.800
including the famous and Nightmare at twenty Thousand Feet that

779
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:45.760
starred William Shatner, the writer of What Our Little Girls

780
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.519
Made Of. Robert Block is also a very well known writer.

781
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.079
He was mostly a horror writer and wrote many films

782
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.679
for the British film company Amicus, who by the way,

783
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.360
also did the Doctor Who films. But his most famous

784
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:01.880
writing work would of course be Alfred Hitchcock's film Psycho.

785
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.679
Now we talked about guest star Roger C.

786
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:06.159
Carmel.

787
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.400
He was best known for playing Harry Mud, but he

788
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:11.599
could be seen from anything from Batman, Dick Van Dyke Show,

789
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.159
All in the Family, the Monsters. He was even voice

790
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:17.239
characters and Ducktails, and of course you mentioned the Transformers.

791
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:20.559
But he would return to voice Harry Mud in an

792
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.840
episode of Star Trek the animated series called MUD's Passion,

793
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:25.920
as well as appearing again later on in the series

794
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:31.079
which we'll get to. Now you mentioned Scott ted Cassidy.

795
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:33.400
Of course, he was best known for playing Lurch the

796
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:36.639
Butler in the original Adams Family TV series, but he

797
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:40.920
also was a very famous, very prolific voice actor and

798
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:44.440
lots of animated series, and he was the voice in

799
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.840
the Growls of the Incredible Hulk for that series back

800
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.840
in the seventies. But I also learned that he helped

801
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:53.400
write the script for one of the most infamous and

802
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:57.159
ridiculously insane films that I've ever seen, the nineteen eighty

803
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.679
one film Roar, which starred Tippy Hedron and Melanie Griffith.

804
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.119
If you haven't seen that film, check it out, but

805
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:06.519
make sure you have a very strong stomach beforehand. It's

806
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.800
definitely something that you should you should see. Maybe I

807
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.079
don't know, have you either heard of that film?

808
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:15.400
No?

809
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.800
Oh gosh, yeah, check it out.

810
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:21.000
Just just look it up, Okay. Continuing on now, The

811
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.880
Enemy Within is the only episode of the original series

812
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.960
where you can see anyone take a hand phaser and

813
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.480
snap it into place in the Type two phaser, which

814
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:33.239
Sulu does on the planet to warm the rod at

815
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.800
the rocks. Most people don't realize that that phaser actually

816
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.519
comes apart in two pieces. And also in that episode,

817
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:43.320
Spock refers to himself as the second officer, which begs

818
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:46.760
the question who's the first. I don't know, maybe Spock

819
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:51.639
hasn't been promoted yet in these earlier episodes, but if

820
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.039
I think it might be any more importantly, this is

821
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:58.000
the episode to introduce the vulcan nerve pinch MUDs Women

822
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:01.199
marks the first time the planet exterior set would be

823
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:03.440
used on the series. That's the one with the colored

824
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:09.599
gel backdrops. That's so various, very sixties. I guess when

825
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:11.760
the gel heated up under the studio lights, it made

826
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.000
the set smell so bad that it was unbearable. According

827
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.360
to the producers, What Are Little Girls Made Of is

828
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.599
the first time a Red Shirt crewman is killed in

829
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.000
the series. We'll be seeing a lot of that as

830
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:28.800
the series progresses. But to begin, and of course, you

831
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.880
know we talked about doctor Roger Corby and that his

832
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:34.639
story is being fleshed out in the most recent episodes

833
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.840
of Star Trek's Strange New Worlds. Don't forget that series

834
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.920
premieres his fourth season this year on July twenty third,

835
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:42.880
and we'll be seeing more of the character of Corby

836
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:47.079
and his relationship with nurch Chapel continue. And then finally,

837
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:50.599
there's a sequel of sorts to What Are Little Girls

838
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.280
Made Of in the form of a novel. The book

839
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.239
Double Double, written by Michael Jan Friedman, was published in

840
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:59.360
nineteen eighty nine as number forty five of the original

841
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:03.599
Star Trek Seris Novels, and in it a surviving Android

842
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:06.960
from XO three creates a new android, duplicated Captain Kirk

843
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.440
and frames the real Kirk for murder while seizing control

844
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:13.639
of the enterprise. Of course, I have to insert a

845
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:16.760
Shamble's plug for our Star Trek novel reviews, which the

846
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.800
newest one is now finally up on our website for

847
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:24.280
everyone to check out at a film by podcast dot com.

848
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.920
Very good, Thanks, Wayne. Appreciate that you never let us

849
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:28.920
down when it comes to favor facts. That's for sure.

850
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:30.800
No one enjoy it, let us do. I know you do.

851
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:36.199
That was a smooth plug, but no.

852
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:38.719
Also, I want to mention it was the first mention

853
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.840
of Captain Kirk's brother and our little girlth made up.

854
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:44.280
That's right. I'm glad to that. Yep.

855
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.400
So it was as nice to see that get established there.

856
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.800
And we finally got the T and James T. Kirk

857
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:53.760
episodes too, yep, sure did.

858
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:59.000
Finally manything's happening. We're only seven episodes into the series.

859
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:01.440
I know, with well you still got we still got

860
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:02.760
seventy two to go through.

861
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.559
It's like crazy to think about, that's for sure. All right, Well,

862
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.639
thank you listeners. What are your thoughts on the original series.

863
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:14.559
What are you doing to celebrate the sixtieth anniversary? Let

864
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.760
us know. You can check us out at www dot

865
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.440
film by podcast dot com for a film and TV

866
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:23.599
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867
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:27.000
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868
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.880
comments and concerns, we may just read your response on

869
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.199
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870
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:34.800
Wayne Scott, thank you so much for joining me on

871
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:37.239
the bridge. It is always a pleasure to talk to

872
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:38.039
you about Star Trek.

873
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:41.199
Enjoy revisiting these episodes. It's there me too.

874
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:43.920
It's nice going down via the og and I'm glad

875
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.039
we're getting to do it with Scott, who's not seen

876
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:47.440
too many of them, so it's kind of nice to

877
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:48.480
see his eyes.

878
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.880
It's interesting hearing his his input. I'm you know, it's

879
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:52.760
been a long time since I saw our talk to

880
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:54.519
anyone that's not seen these episodes.

881
00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:58.639
Same here, same here, And so all you listening to

882
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:01.280
the show and following us on social media and subscribing

883
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.280
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884
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.760
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