Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek TOS | The Enemy Within | Mudd's Women | What Are Little Girls Made Of?

0:01 Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows, both new and old, to engage and debate about all things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt. Hello everyone, and welcome back to to base cycle. Oh excuse me to stun where we continue to show our love for everything Star Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast which focuses on every quadrant of the explaining universe of Trek, a covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise, and so much more. Plotting the course, as always is your Core Trek crew. I'm David Burns, and I'm Scott Hoffman and.

1:06 I'm Wayne Whiten. Let's continue our journey through the original series. Since we hear at Phasers Set the Stunt are joining in on the celebration of the sixtieth anniversary of Star Trek. In today's episode, we are going to discuss three more episodes from season one. So without further ado, let us get into the transporter and beam our way into the mission that lays ahead of us. Scott, I have to comment here about something in regards to your comment about every episode feels like the Twilight Zone. That has changed my outlook on this series. Now every time I see it, that runs through my mind. It is every freaking episode feels like a Twilight episode now, Twilight Zone episode. Yeah, and I can't get it out of my head now, which is fine. It gives me a new way to look at Star Trek. But I just wanted to thank you for that because I never ever looked at it that way. So you said that, Yeah, no problem.

2:01 I mean, it is interesting. They kind of compare like the way that Deep Spaceline had a very specific through arc. Next Generation had a lot of that too, and this series does. But it's just kind of like, especially early on, it was very kind of e disotic, mind bending kind of stuff. It would make sense because this first episode we're talking about was written by one of the most prolific writers of The Twilight Zone, one of the most famous ones. So yeah, of course it's kind of feel like it. Yeah, absolutely, And of course we're talking about episode five, The Enemy Within. This is aired on October sixth, nineteen sixty six, directed by Leo Penn, written by Richard Matheson. A transporter malfunction tears Captain Kirk into two separate beings, one gentle and compassionate, the other violent and dangerously primal, while the other well. The crew struggles to understand and contain both halves. A landing party remains stranded on the planet below, where the temperature is plummeting fast, with no way to beam them back until the transporter is fixed, because apparently at this time they do not have shuttles.

3:01 Their survival depends on reuniting Kirk's divide itself before the colde claims them. So, gentlemen, as we have this episode, it's funny that, you know, in the two of these episodes that we're gonna be talking about tonight, we see two William Shatner, two Kirks. So he kind of gets to explore that part of himself, which is kind of unique in itself. But this one, which I always remember as the eyeliner Kirk, I do every time I think about this episode, that's my mind immediately goes to the eyeliner Kirk evil, you know, because it is really because they did that on purpose. They gave him that that that look, so that he had that that that evil look to himself. I thought William Shatner was awesome in this episode. I mean, he I love him in every episode, but this one. The fact that he got to explore two different parts of himself. I mean some of it obviously was a little over exaggerated in his performance of the evil Kirk, but I still really enjoyed it. I thought, I thought it was unique in itself, but overall, I really enjoyed this others.

4:05 So what about you, guys, So Wayne, you should probably go ahead and go first. All right, Well, I actually liked this episode. I think The Enemy Within is one of those early Star Trek episodes that really works well because it's more about the characters than the normal science fiching gimmick. You know, we don't have any outside threats. All the threats are coming from within, and William Shatner is having it looks like having a great time playing the two versions of Kirk. Really, it ends up showing a lot about how Kirk, you know, works as a captain in the first place. You know. Now, some parts of the episode do feel a little unsettling, especially with when it comes to Kirk and Janis Rand, but you know, it kind of helps set that the darker version of Kirk is really unsettling see what they were going for. But the episode does a good job showing that, you know, people aren't just made up of their quality, good qualities or bad qualities. It's just to me, it's one of the more memorable Season one episodes, one of the ones that I really stand out from when I watched.

5:14 It all the way back in the eighties. Just bacausal because it mixes, you know, your typical fun sci fi you know premise. We see this all the time, you know, where you get split into good and bad in sci fi. But there's a lot of great ideas in this episode, is what I'm saying, and I enjoy it. I think, Scott, before you you go on about how you feel about the episode, there is there is some some parts of Wayne mentioned that you're kind of like, uh, that's a struggle. But what I like is about the comment that I think it was Spock who made it, who says, you know, he needs Kirk, needs that side of him to make him who he is, you know, and it's true. I mean, I don't think we would have the the strong Kirk that we got if he didn't have that.

5:56 In him. Now, I'm not saying he has the potential of you know, going that far as he does the evil side of Kirk, but you know, he's got that balance in him that gives him that drive, gives him those decisions that he makes to become the leader, the captain that we know of the Enterprise. So I thought that was a very unique comment that Spot had made, and then Kirk obviously talks about that a little bit later in the episode. So I thought that was great. I always felt that, you know, when you split the two, it kind of enhances, like the good side is enhancement and the bad side is enhanced because you don't have the other side counterbalancing it. So, you know, while Kirk. May not do that in normal life, you know, but he probably does have a little bit of you know, lust in him, but without the good side to counterbalance that, to to to put it in check, it's left loose.

6:45 And this is what we see. Yeah, exactly, So Scott, what about you? Yeah, I mean I think it is an interesting episode. It's a it's an interesting concept. I agree that it's you. Know, well written. I'll get to the problematic parts in a minute, and that William Stners does a great job of showing a lot of range here. I think one of the things that stood out to me or impressed me most about it was the aspect of kind of the downside of his good half. Reminded me of where they are trying to go with Pike in that episode where he I forget the name of it, from Strange New Worlds, where he's in charge when they kind of the rivulence for the first time and because of his tendency to be more diplomatic. Now that's more of an extreme. It's not saying that, you know, here he's so indecisive and gentle and also the kind of stuff. So I don't think that's necessarily Pike and I don't think they went quite meek with it. But it's interesting to not make it that it's, you know, the good side is inherently good, and that we should you know, completely lean into that because there are problems with it.

7:55 I don't like to watch this episode. I've seen it once. Before and it really made my skin crawl the first time, and this time I was watching it, there were a couple of different parts that obviously. My my skin crawl. There's the you know, the sexual assault on Yemen Rand and then Spock's reaction to it at the end, Yeah, where he makes that off comment, it's just wow. So I mean that, you know, if somebody hasn't seen it before, just warning that there's this kind of content and those reactions will you know probably you know, in sense a couple of viewers to say like this is this is not okay and we need to talk about it. We want to talk about it here. But it's it's definitely something that that's problematic and just makes it difficult to watch.

8:46 What I found interesting though this time in watching it was just my I was kind of thrown off by their delay in just saying, for the good of the ship, anybody who looks like James Kirk, let's put them in a brig, let's put them off to the side. It's not challenging his you know, captaincy. Or anything else like that to do so, but like it almost seemed like the scene where Evil Kirk asks the guy for a phaser, it seems like they just made the announcement, like, by the way, there's a duplicate. Okay, first guy you see like looks like James Kirk, give me a phaser, huh, and he's like, oh sure, that's like, wait a second, just lock them both up until we can figure out this transporter thing and then everything you'll be fine. But anyway, it's a it's a good concept.

9:40 It's just I don't know, it's hard to get past some of those things. In a perfect world. Sc Well, Scott, I'm gonna throw here this. This is what really bought. This is what bothers me with this, because I think it's a big problem. Now the whole point of this episode. You know, Sulu and his landing party are trapped on the planet. They can't get back up that that's right, that's that's the big dilemma. Well, let me ask this. Why didn't they just go down and pick him up in a shuttlecraft? That's what I said in the summer at the where's the shuttle? Yeah? I mean it, you know, so they're there. Yeah, I guess you can't look too deep in this story, No you can't. Apparently these shutle didn't exist on the Enterprise at this time. I don't know. Well, yeah, I think I think Sulu was uh speaking for Wayne in this episode when he's like, is there any chance you guys have just.

10:24 Like a very big rope. They could just lower down, like you're a ship full of scientists. Find sway to just like I don't know, put a get hollow out a photon torpedo, yeah, and launch it at the surface with just you know, supplies that could work and whatever is left of that crash. We'll just use it. Yeah, And it doesn't make any sense now. I believe this is the first episode that McCoy says he's dead, Jim, isn't it? Yeah, Oh it's the poor doggie, the poor doggie. That dog. Yeah, that dog in that costume? Are you getting me? Okay? You could tell that's nineteen sixty six. Yeah, oh yeah, that that had MST three thousand written all over that one.

11:05 Yeah. When I saw that cost oh yeah. I mean, like, let's shave it's back, give it a horn, a couple of antennas, and a possle tail, like, sure, hasn't this dog been through it off? I know? Poor thing? And then where was the horror? She decided not to be a part of the crew on this one. She just disappeared. It's kind of awkward, how like these first few episodes, like some of the crew disappears and we don't know where they're at. Some of the ones that could be really really useful. Yeah yeah, yeah. I also just this is one of those episodes, and they probably didn't have it at the time, But is there not the capability of basically funding somebody on the ship and just transporting them onto the transporter pad. I don't think they did that yet, Okay.

11:46 I think it was just before Generation Yeah yeah, okay, I mean, otherwise we'd have ten minute episodes. So sure, at least he saw mister Scott come to the rescue again. So hey, I mean, yeah, he's already found his place. He's found his groove, right. He's like, I just fixed this place case, I know, I just keep it fixed for a minute. You can tell he's got the guy who comes to the rescue all the time. They have clearly already established, right, he's. Probably walking into Kirk like, look, I can't be Space Schneider for this whole thing. You gotta Yeah, okay, all right, well we'll continue on. Before we do that, let's take our first very can we come back, we'll talk about episode six. All right, listeners, welcome back. We'll we're continuing our sixtieth anniversary discussion of the first season of Star Trek. We're going to continue on with episode six, MUDs Women, aired in October thirteenth, nineteen sixty six, directed by Harvey Hart and written by Stephen Kendall and Jeene Roddenberry Scott. What's this episode all about?

12:51 Yeah? Also known as Where the Heck Is a Hohoa? Part two? Yeah, Kirk's crew saves a matchmaking space pimp with three women that he's delivering to wealthy columns, but the encounter with Mudship leaves Enterprise with almost no power. The search for new di lithium brings them to a planet rich in the rare element, and eventually the answer to the mystery of MUD's Women. Problematic episode number two. Yeah, boy, this is the nineteen sixties. There's no doubt about that. In watching this series. Oh yeah, yeah, Oh my god, the like the dumbfounded looks of everybody, Like the like you could do a drinking game on how many dirt faces bones makes just like go pretty like snap out of every buddy.

13:39 You know. An interesting thing here that I discovered in watching this it actually doing research for this episode was Geene Runbury planning bring Harry Mudd back for the Next Generation for an episode, but apparently that actor passed away and they couldn't do it. Yeah I don't. Okay, yeah, I know, but apparently he wanted it, so I'm like, okay. Yeah, but I wonder, like, considering how Diforest Kelly is shown in Next Generation, I would be interested to see what he'd look like gold It just be like Ron Jeremy in his nineties or something. Yeah, well, I mean you could be who knows.

14:19 So it helped me out first time or question here fast forward to the end. They give Eve a gummy bear, and her inner confidence is able to apply makeup and straighten her hair and make her look make herself look beautiful. So did MUDs women have any kind of powers at all other than this Venus drug that would just automatically apply makeup and give them better hair. I see, I think had the venus thing before, right before they got on Enterprise, and then Kirk and crew discovered it and replaced it. Obviously, so at one point the Venus medication did do that, but I don't know if maybe because they took it so much that maybe they developed the power so that they didn't need that drug anymore. Maybe I don't know, because I was kind of confused by that too.

15:11 Scott, Yeah, it's confusing. I was thinking that same way too. Yeah. It also kind of brought me back to a previous episode, The Man Trap, because it almost seemed like they were kind of implying they've got these, you know, powers to kind of like like hypno seduce men or something like that, just to get them all like make them all idiots like Bones. Sorry, it was just it was just drooling so much. It was fun to watch spot. Yeah, but it did make me think, like, is there's some kind of like you know, special powers that they have or whatever. It was interesting. I mean, Mud is obviously an iconic character in it.

15:53 I think it's interesting what they did with him in Strange New Worlds. But like, I'm I'm glad that Spock was there to be the one that was just like look nice, try. Like you're you're still you're barking up the wrong tree. But after they all, like especially Bones, turned into kind of like droolling idiots in the tribunal, m like, Okay, let's get a nurse chapel, Let's get a r H. Let's get Jim and Rand maybe. To sit on this and and give you guys, you know, a break, like go stand in the hallway. I know they're pretty, but go we got to do some work here they what did you think? No, I'm I'm with you. I always struggle with this episode because I'm not I'm not a big fan of the villain in this episode at all, because he's nothing but a space pimp. So I just he is, well, yeah, you're right, You're right. Yeah, It's just I don't know, I've never been a fan of this episode. I mean with I'm with you, Scott, when I when the fact that I love Spock in this just because it's like whatever to him, they don't have any powers over him whatsoever.

17:04 And you can almost see that smirk on his faith when he sees the reaction of other crew members when that stuff is going on. So, I mean, I get a kick out of that that that episode, but beyond that, this is one of my least favorite episodes. To be honest with you, Wall what about you? Well, now I agree, it's it's a very uneven episode. I can't believe that Roddenberry was actually considering this as one of the pilots I'm so glad they didn't choose this one. But I am in the exact opposite in the fact that I really think that Harry Mud steals every scene that he's in. I think he's probably the one good thing that came out of this because I like Roger c. Carmel. I like him in all of his work. He's been in practically every freaking thing in the sixties, seventies, and eighties, and he's so good and I like his character here, and of course, you know, he comes back and there's some there are some interesting ideas here, you know, the whole thing about you know, beauty and confidence, and but it's just so dated, so oh nineteen sixties, you know, and it's you know, it's it's nineteen sixties commentary, is what it is. There's a message, you know, but I'm not gonna call it. It's definitely not one of the strongest episodes. Is probably one of the weakest, but I think Harry might MUD's personality and his weird mix of comedy and is just it kind of makes it memorable for me a little bit. Definitely one of the weakest for the season.

18:26 I mean, I'm not gonna take anyway with him. From his performance, You're right, I thought he did a great jobs as mud, you know, being a trickster and again going back to being he's a space pampa. But beyond that, yeah, I thought I thought he did a really good job. So if this was his only appearance, I would agree one hundred percent. But the fact that we I know he comes back a couple of other times and I see all of it all together kind of lets me look past some of the things that he's doing in this episode. If you understand. No, absolutely, I'm with you on that for sure. I like buds of Mustache more than that. But it does a great job and they have, interestingly enough, a nineteen eighty six connection. Uh.

19:06 He was apparently the voice of psych Clonus and one of the Quinnisan leaders. Yeah. Yeah, okay, I'm not gonna watch that movie at the same way. I've heard that now you see as much look at that exactly. Yeah, intern interesting episode, that's for sure. All right, Well, we will continue on, but before we do that, let's go ahead and take another break, guys, and we come back. We'll talk about episode seven Welcome Back to Listeners, where Scott, Wayne and I here at Phaser Set to Sun are continuing our discussion of the original Star Trek. We're going to continue with episode seven, What Are Little Girls Made Of?

19:47 Aired October twentieth, nineteen sixty six, directed by James Goldstone and written by Robert Bloch. Wayne tell us about this episode. Captain Kirk and Nurse Chapel travel to the frozen world of So three to find doctor Roger Corby I, only to discover that he's been using an ancient alien technology to create androids, including duplicates of people, and that his assistant and allies are artificial beings. After Krby replaces himself with an android body and attempts to expand his creations, Kirk exposes the danger of these plans, leading to Doctor Kirby and his android companion Andrea, destroying themselves. I think what Our Little Girls Made Of? Its probably one of the more creepier early Star Trek episodes, I think it is.

20:35 But it does a really good job creating a very unsettling atmosphere. Again, it has that Twilight Zone feel. To it, you know, with the twists and everything. It kind of feels a little bit about you know, starts off a little bit like a mystery, but then you know it's just it's really a story about you know, identity and humanity. You know. I think Michael Strong plays are eight performance as doctor Krby because he's not just a straightforward villain, you know, it comes more across as someone who's convinced himself that giving up his humanity is progress, which you know. We all know is not. That's been done over and over through many different sci fi shows and movies.

21:22 Yeah. I like the episode for one thing, because it gives Nurse Chapel some very important character moments. Agree with that. You know, she's tied very specifically to this story, you know, I like that. It's it's one of the more atmospheric moments. It's definitely probably the best episode with her in it. But it is an awfully slow episode in my opinion, and that really makes this hard for me to watch. Yeah, I completely agree that Nimsthus and forth for running around aka Lurch, you know, doing his thing. I to work with nimiths and for for whenever a felling beyond that. Yeah, it really after watching this episode for this last time, it really made me think about this is where Noon and Son Soon came from. And data, but the creation you could see when Geen ryen Berry was creating the Next Generation, he clearly thought back to this episode and developed data from this. It's the way I felt, anyway, because there's a lot of similarities here with those episodes that we learned later on about data obviously, you know, so I definitely see that. Yeah, the episode was kind of again you can tell us in the nineteen sixty six kind of vibe going on here, where you know, kiss me to Kirk and those kind of things, and like the giving the commands of her to kiss Kirk and slap Kirk, and you know, it's kind of like and not to mention the wardrobe of course of her,

22:54 but it's like whatever, you know, it's it's nineteen sixty six, you know, But and these three episodes are I know. I was just like, yeah, I mean, I love that. What was the costume Williams feast? I think he was really going for some weird, weird future outfits and I love that. I love it like that they were trying that. I have to say, one of the things I really busted out laughing at that probably was not supposed to be funny. When Kirk does that role to get done, Like, are you kidding? This is? Yeah, Park, that's what that is. So I literally bust out laughing at that. You know, I haven't seen these episodes in years, so clearly some of it's like, oh, I forgot about that, But yeah, I still enjoyed it.

23:39 Don't get me wrong. I may pick on a little bit, but I still am a huge fan of the O G Star Trek. But I'm here's what Scott has to say, since you know, he's kind of our first time or through this stuff. Yeah, So I mean, definitely a lot of callbacks, and definitely it's hard to watch something like this without thinking of data or any of the other you know, uh, particularly the episode of Next where there's somebody who uh kind of puts his consciousness into data. It seems like this is almost. Like they the schizoid man, right right. Yeah, it'd definitely be interesting to kind of look at, you know, the development of cybernetics throughout the Cannon to say, like, you know, were there variations on this, did soon look into what was being done here? Was completely different technology also kind of reminded me of Batman and the animated series Heard of Steel with hard act and the replicants that can't quite tell themselves from from the real thing, which is where I thought they would go when they made the awkward you know, let's clone naked Kirk on a lazy Susan for some reason. But yeah, Nurse Chapel has a has a great range here. Major Barrett does another amazing job. It's hard not to watch this episode through a Strange New World's lens. First, Yeah, because of knowing Roger Corby and I was like, oh my god, I mean he was all right in Strange New Worlds.

25:05 Has he really become this much. Of a jerk? Like yes, but seeing that, you know what eventually happens. And Ted Cassidy was just a delight to see as Rook doing his beyond lurch kind of moments. I'm glad they didn't just make him a big bruiser that they actually made him intelligent. There were some times when he almost had some kind of vulcan undertone. I did think it's kind of interesting, like you know, it's it's interesting like the Batman sixty six kind of technology that we deal with with here. As they're making this very specific process. They basically just have these brightly colored dials with no numbers, know whatsoever. It's just like, maybe a little bit more here, what exactly is that supposed to do?

25:53 Well, look at the bridge of the Enterprise, it's the same way. And I love the first time that uh Chapel sees Andrea and just gives it that look up and down like, who the hell is this tramp like coming down here to see my long lost fiance. And first person that walks out is you know, sports illustrated swimsuit model. So probably not. Rogers's best choice to say, like, look who I created first. You know, for no reason? Yeah, probably not. But Kirk does another great job of that kind of duality, and you know which one is real? Yeah, so interesting, But I agree with Wayne a little bit slow.

26:35 Yeah, and again no McCoy, no Sulu, no Scott, this crew disappearing. To for crying out loud and the shuttles are still in the shop. And yeah, no idea, don't get it, but it is what it is. I guess. I don't know. I did. I did find a humorous when Kirk was getting thrown around like a rag doll by Nimus Nemesis enforcer. I thought that was. Yeah cool, that had to be fun. Oh yeah, just filming that had to be like, wait, I didn't get that right, let me lift Shatner in the air again. Yeah. I mean to take it that they go through on that one for sure, right, I don't know, but yeah, I Nurse Chapel was fantastic in this episode. It was nice to get to see them explore her character. And I believe we find out here some background from her that they use in Strange in worlds. Don't we about her?

27:24 Why she's on the enterprise or you know? That decision? So I'm glad that they went that route because when you see it in Strange your world, you're like, did that ever come up? And clearly it did right here. It's proof. What I'd forgotten is how early in the series this was restrora surprised me that they're dealing with this character this early. Yeah, which it is a good thing too. So and if my understanding is, and I know we're not to the Phaser facts yet, but the last episode MUD's Women, wasn't Michel Barrett the voice of the computer. Yeah? I think yes, she was. Yes, So it's kind of kind of neat that we're already seeing that happening. Obviously, we know she's the voice of the Enterprise in the next generation, so that's really neat to see that they were already doing that and establishing that. I'm like, geez, I didn't realize how far advanced they did these kind of things, you know. Yeah, yeah, But see, this is why going back to revisit these kind of shows, because first off, you probably don't remember or you didn't pick up on it, but going back and rewatching and you're realizing you're starting to put all the pieces of the puzzle together where that stuff was born.

28:25 Yes, that's that's the way I'm feeling right now too. It's great to watch the especially this episode since we got season four of Stranging Worlds coming up, which continues that Roger Corby storyline. Yeah. Yeah, well, and I mean it did catch my attention, Like, and I mentioned like archaeological medicine as an area of study, and I feel like there's kind of a probably unintentional, but like a glancing moment when Chapel is talking about going down to see Corby, and there's a look that Spot gives that almost feels like maybe a little bit of jealousy and maybe a little bit of a history with Nurse Chapel, so it's interesting. Well they've they've kind of carried that for you and straight world. Yeah, absolutely, well, good deal. All right, Well, let's get to some of our favorite portions of this episode. Which character shine the most? Scott, I'm gonna let you go first.

29:14 I'm going to say a Nurse Chapel. It's it's hard to pick somebody who shines an enemy within and MUDs women consider what's going on. But I just love having an episode this far in that's still focusing on Nurse Chapels as a central character and giving her some kind of emotional drama to deal with. And I think she just did a great job. And now, Wayne, what about you? No, I agree one hundred percent. And I chose Christine Chapel too, mainly because you know of her center stage and what are little Girls made of? It gives her something personal and emotional to do rather than just you know, hiding in the background like her character usually does. You know, you really feel how much hope she has gone into the mission, and then how painful she is when she realizes that Corby just isn't the guy that she remembered.

30:11 She just comes across in this that episode is more capable than you know we usually give credit for her in most of the episodes. She doesn't fall apart when she sees what's happening, She keeps her composure. She you know, it's it's exactly what we know today of Christine Chapel from Stranger Into Worlds. A lot of emotional depth, and it just makes her feel more of a supporting character rather than just someone stuck in the sick day. And that's why I liked her in this episode. That's why I chose her. She definitely got the spotlight. Yeah, I'm definitely going to join you guys on this with the trifecta decision here in Nurse Capital, for sure. One of the things that I really love that Geene Ruddenberry has done is, I mean, we're only what seven episodes into the series or fixed seven, whatever it is, and he's already established some of these characters too so well that we're already seeing their development and seeing where they're going. But you get this mine. I don't call her a minor character, because Nurse Chapo is a great character, but she's not one of the main main characters. Obviously, She's not kirks Bach or sul R or any of them.

31:19 But how quick he's able to move into giving us development on a character like this and giving us this quick backstory with her and her fiance with Corby. I thought that was so unique on how they do that, because there's no beating around the bush at all with this character. You're immediately you have her on this ship and they're on their way there and she that's one of the main reasons she's going there to see if he's so lucky. They hadn't heard from him in like five years, so, you know, and she's still the fiancee, you know. So I found that so interesting on how they did That's one of the things I love about George Lucas and Star Wars and how he jumped right into the middle of the story. You know, you don't need to start at the beginning, right, you don't need to do that, start in the middle of it, because that keeps your audience guessing and trying to figure out what's going on and trying to figure out what happened, and it really involves you into the character. And I think that's what made Nurse Chapel so intriguing, so interesting, and just pulled you into that character in this episode.

32:15 So by far I agree with both of you on this. Nurse Chapel was fantastic in this episode and clearly the one that shine the most of all three episodes. All right, So if you could be any character, who would it be? And why? Wayne, Well, I think I'm going to choose the master rogue himself, Hardcourt Fenton Mud. Again. Of course, Honestly, the best thing about Harry Mudd is just how much funny was and how much funny was to watch. You know, he's completely shady, and you know he's lying the whole time, but he's so confident in himself and full of excuses that it's really it's really hard to not enjoy him. I mean, he's so over the top.

32:56 It feels like Mudd is always trying to sell you something, and when everything's falling apart around him, he don't care. He knows he can get him himself out of that. I just I just liked the idea of traveling the galaxy, coming up with crazy schemes and wild ideas and just living that care feet free life of the rogue. I'll do that, Wayne, Space pimp whited. Here we go. With or without the accent. I'll take the accent, of course. I'll grant you that if you can answer the question as to like when does he bake up that alternate personality? Because the MUDs women were like, what what are you doing? There's his voice? All right, okay, we're leading into this. I guess Wayne for your cosplay for the next you mentioned you need that mustache.

33:39 Okay, oh I can do that. Just get the. Scott what about you? All right, Well, if Wayne can do it, I can do it too. I'll be rock Oh look at you. How I was gonna. Say Scottie because he's not necessarily mixed up in any of this mess. He's just trying to fix stuff. But Ted Cassidy is so fun and he's got that. I mean, I don't know how much of that outfit was patting her, how much of it was him. But just like the the times when. He gets to pick up Kirk like his rag doll, like you don't see that very often. That's a lot of you know, just brute strength. And it seemed like he had a lot of fun in that episode aside from dying.

34:22 But that's my part yeah, Dave, what about you? So I'm going to go the complete opposite direction of both of you, and well, I mean maybe not kind of. So I'm actually going with the minor that rescues Eve. Okay, because first off, he's a sleevesball kind of at first, right, he is, let's let's list admit it. But when he realizes how good he has it with her when he first off, he becomes the hero because he goes after her to rescue her, to bring her back to safety. So just in that mere fact, as you're like, oh, okay, you know, I respect that. You know, there might have been some other reasons why he was going after but you know what, in the end, when those two got along and he really appreciated who she was, then yeah, sure, but I'll hang out with her with a beautiful lady for as long as possible.

35:09 I'm good with that. And I trust when you when you like ward into his body, just make him less of a jerk when she's like cooking for him while. He's oh yea absolutely yeah, that's not the second part of him. It's say, come on, dude, really, don't come on. Ye yes, totally agree with you on that one. For sure. Cool. All right, well, let's continue on with our phaser facts. I know, Wayne's probably got a ridiculous amount to go over here, because there is a decent amount in here. The ones I've already pulled out. There's just we've kind of already talked about them. You know, Michelle Bairt already be in the computer voice for one of the episodes here, you know, and then the mention of a mud possibly had coming back for the next reason. I don't know how they would have done that, but it was kind of fun, you know, discovering that. Basically, So scott anything for you before Wayne steals the show.

36:00 I mean, there was something that was kind of just making me curious when Scotty was reaching for the duplicate dog Evil Fluffy Evil Fluffy, Like, they've got that dog so angry and unfortunately it sounds like to do so they starved it for like twenty four hours. I was poking it with a. Stick to get the kind of reactions that they needed, and it was so fortunately after that, you know, some animal rights groups stepped in and said, like, look, you have to, you know, treat animals better in that way. But yeah, it was just I don't know. Took me kind of back to a different time. I guess. Yeah, you know, the can reminds me not to get off on a tangent here. But when you mentioned that the original Friday the thirteenth, they actually killed that snake on screen, that was a pet snake. Oh and it actually killed it live on on on screen and they got a lot of trouble for that. You got a lot of trouble for that. Yeah, and again the whole animal right thing there. So yeah, I mean I struggle with that kind of stuff as they come on, you know, yea, the animal I love animals, I don't care. I don't like snakes, as Wayne knows. Yeah, I'm not gonna.

37:12 Go kill one. I don't think so. No, but you'll make me get out of the car and make sure one's dead. Yes, I did that funny story. But anyway, Wayne, what you got four? All right? Well, let's start with talking about the people. First off, the directors. Uh. The director of the win Enemy Within, which was Leo Pinn, started off as an actor before he moved into directing and directed many episodes for shows like Magnum p I, Little House on the Prairie, Saint elsewhere in Colombo. He also directed one of the earliest episodes of the TV series Lost in Space, which was titled There Were Giants on the Earth. He is also actor Sean Pinn's father. The other new director, Harvey Hart, who worked on MUDs Women, was at the time the main director of the soap opera series Peyton's Place. Apparently, Heart was a pain in the asked to work with on this show and ran over shooting by a day, which is why he never directed any other Star Trek episodes. Now writers the writer of The Enemy Within, Richard Matheson is probably a name you'd recognize. He was the original writer of What Dreams May Come, Somewhere in Time, The Legend of Hell House, and I Am Legend. Both all of those were adapted into later films. He also wrote the TV movie Duel, the Steven Spielberg film that David and I we talked about in an earlier podcast. But more importantly, he wrote, I shouldn't say more importantly, it's obviously not. Those are big films. But he wrote sixteen episodes of The Twilight Zoon, including the famous and Nightmare at twenty Thousand Feet that starred William Shatner, the writer of What Our Little Girls

38:45 Made Of. Robert Block is also a very well known writer. He was mostly a horror writer and wrote many films for the British film company Amicus, who by the way, also did the Doctor Who films. But his most famous writing work would of course be Alfred Hitchcock's film Psycho. Now we talked about guest star Roger C. Carmel. He was best known for playing Harry Mud, but he could be seen from anything from Batman, Dick Van Dyke Show, All in the Family, the Monsters. He was even voice characters and Ducktails, and of course you mentioned the Transformers. But he would return to voice Harry Mud in an episode of Star Trek the animated series called MUD's Passion, as well as appearing again later on in the series which we'll get to. Now you mentioned Scott ted Cassidy.

39:31 Of course, he was best known for playing Lurch the Butler in the original Adams Family TV series, but he also was a very famous, very prolific voice actor and lots of animated series, and he was the voice in the Growls of the Incredible Hulk for that series back in the seventies. But I also learned that he helped write the script for one of the most infamous and ridiculously insane films that I've ever seen, the nineteen eighty one film Roar, which starred Tippy Hedron and Melanie Griffith. If you haven't seen that film, check it out, but make sure you have a very strong stomach beforehand. It's definitely something that you should you should see. Maybe I don't know, have you either heard of that film?

40:14 No? Oh gosh, yeah, check it out. Just just look it up, Okay. Continuing on now, The Enemy Within is the only episode of the original series where you can see anyone take a hand phaser and snap it into place in the Type two phaser, which Sulu does on the planet to warm the rod at the rocks. Most people don't realize that that phaser actually comes apart in two pieces. And also in that episode, Spock refers to himself as the second officer, which begs the question who's the first. I don't know, maybe Spock hasn't been promoted yet in these earlier episodes, but if I think it might be any more importantly, this is the episode to introduce the vulcan nerve pinch MUDs Women marks the first time the planet exterior set would be used on the series. That's the one with the colored gel backdrops. That's so various, very sixties. I guess when the gel heated up under the studio lights, it made the set smell so bad that it was unbearable. According to the producers, What Are Little Girls Made Of is the first time a Red Shirt crewman is killed in the series. We'll be seeing a lot of that as the series progresses. But to begin, and of course, you know we talked about doctor Roger Corby and that his story is being fleshed out in the most recent episodes of Star Trek's Strange New Worlds. Don't forget that series premieres his fourth season this year on July twenty third, and we'll be seeing more of the character of Corby and his relationship with nurch Chapel continue. And then finally,

41:47 there's a sequel of sorts to What Are Little Girls Made Of in the form of a novel. The book Double Double, written by Michael Jan Friedman, was published in nineteen eighty nine as number forty five of the original Star Trek Seris Novels, and in it a surviving Android from XO three creates a new android, duplicated Captain Kirk and frames the real Kirk for murder while seizing control of the enterprise. Of course, I have to insert a Shamble's plug for our Star Trek novel reviews, which the newest one is now finally up on our website for everyone to check out at a film by podcast dot com. Very good, Thanks, Wayne. Appreciate that you never let us down when it comes to favor facts. That's for sure.

42:29 No one enjoy it, let us do. I know you do. That was a smooth plug, but no. Also, I want to mention it was the first mention of Captain Kirk's brother and our little girlth made up. That's right. I'm glad to that. Yep. So it was as nice to see that get established there. And we finally got the T and James T. Kirk episodes too, yep, sure did. Finally manything's happening. We're only seven episodes into the series. I know, with well you still got we still got seventy two to go through. It's like crazy to think about, that's for sure. All right, Well, thank you listeners. What are your thoughts on the original series.

43:11 What are you doing to celebrate the sixtieth anniversary? Let us know. You can check us out at www dot film by podcast dot com for a film and TV articles and our entire library streaming free right to us a film by Podcast at gmail dot com. With your questions, comments and concerns, we may just read your response on the show and send you some a film by swag. Wayne Scott, thank you so much for joining me on the bridge. It is always a pleasure to talk to you about Star Trek. Enjoy revisiting these episodes. It's there me too. It's nice going down via the og and I'm glad we're getting to do it with Scott, who's not seen too many of them, so it's kind of nice to see his eyes. It's interesting hearing his his input. I'm you know, it's been a long time since I saw our talk to anyone that's not seen these episodes.

43:55 Same here, same here, And so all you listening to the show and following us on social media and subscribing to our Patreon, we thank you. See you next time for another episode of Phasers set this time