Guillermo del Toro - Frankenstein: Part Two of Two

0:01 Hey, this is Tiffany Hail from Friday the thirteenth to five Violet, and you are watching and listening to a film. Buy. If you're not toward me, love, then I will indulge and rage. Welcome back, everybody. We're we're continuing our discussion of Garmoral I always mispronounced his name. Where Gherama de Toro's Frankenstein. Ladies, let's continue our discussion about the film itself.

0:50 I know we've kind of been doing that as we've been talking about the cast, But there's so many amazing scenes throughout this film. How do you, ladies feel about him breaking it into like the prelude about his character and then the creature's story. I think that was perfect in my opinion. They didn't interfere with the storytelling. I thought that was a great way of, you know, still flowing through things and you still didn't feel like, oh, well, I you know I miss something, or you know, you would forget. I thought it was very, very well done and it wasn't disruptive at all. Yeah, it's a good way of adapting a known tale because in the book, you like, Victor wakes up and sees the creature and like freaks out and like passes out, and then the creature just wanders off, like he grabs a coat and the coat had Victor's diary in it, and he just wanders off. So you don't find out until way later where the creature's been and what has happened to him. And it's all exposition. It's all him telling Victor, you know it. And I like that we left this part of the tail and now we're picking up on another part.

2:07 Like that was really, yes, seamless, it really was. It flowed so well, you never got bored one time. And I think also, like I've said, like Victor is the worst, so like we needed a break. Oh yeah, for sure. You know, like he blows up that scene where he blows up the laboratory, like that is so horrific that he uh that he left him chained in the basement and and he and he gave him what he asked for and he still blew the thing up, like like an't even so like we needed a break. We need to like catch our breasts and you know, go to a quiet farm somewhere and chill out.

2:49 Yeah, And it was nice that he got some instant karma from that you know, that little plate is like, really, was that really regret or what in? And yeah? And then having you know that that happened, I'm like, yeah, painful, isn't. It serves you right, buddy, right. But again, it's not gonna be like this is my fault. Right, it's the creature's fault because he was calling my name. Yes, a little fun fact, the prosthetic leg that Victor gets is the same prosthetic leg from Devil's back. Then, Oh is it really? I didn't catch that. That's awesome. Nice, that's a nice touch, it really is. I love when directors do.

3:30 That kind of I know, why not? Yes, why not? I absolutely love how the creature learns how to talk and read, how he's watching, you know, the blind man teaching his granddaughter and he's watching the wall of that. I thought that was so well done, I really do. And just that whole storyline makes me so sad because they are so appreciative of his wanting to help them, and he, you know, chops the wood forum and fixes the fence and they're thinking the the what do they call him the spirit of the forest, And they leave him clothes, and they leave him food and stuff, And it reminded me of Pans Labyrinth because the fairy tale creatures in that film are so ugly beautiful, yes that if you're not open minded, they're terrifying. And so here are these people that, like you, have this spirit that has only ever been benevolent. But the moment they see him, they can't get past what he looks like to realize this is who's been helping you the whole time. You know, this is this kind spirit that you have, you know, praised and been so grateful for. And you didn't have sad.

4:47 He just wanted head pads. It's so sid want just to belong. And what I love about when he found shelter there you have all the mice crawling around that usually in a normal you know, human be like you know, varmints or you know, go at him with the room and stuff. But he, you know that whole the mouse going over his hand, and then when he pulled the blanket of himself and then you see all the mouths that kind of gathering you know, on him. Just encap I thought that was a lovely. Moment and just his acknowledgment of other little creatures that even though you know we're smaller than him and to others, you know, their pest or whatnot. But also not just with the little creatures, but you know before that, with the simple thing of a be leaf and the flowing water, and by him watching the leaf and the water, knowing how he could escape, you know, the fate that Victor was trying to you know, send him to. Of course at that point you know that he could regenerate.

5:47 But but those little. Moments of just his you know him just hey, it's a symbiotic relationship that I really that. And then again it's just he wanted willingness to learn, like he had the willingness there, but he didn't have the teacher that had. A terrible teacher, right, yeah, that. Didn't have that same that same goal, that same appreciation for actual knowledge, right, just basics. Just in itself, you have this this brilliant mind in Victor, who you know, does an incredible job of bringing something back to life, okay, but has so selfish, so self centered, that he cannot teach. But yet you have a blind man who has the patience, the wisdom, and in my opinion, is more intelligent than Victor because of that fact that he takes his time to teach his daughter, i mean, his granddaughter that. But also at the same time, the love, even though he can't see this guy, the love that he shows him just makes him so much better than Victor, just the fact, and he.

6:55 Has a wonderful representation of it's purposefully done that he's blind, because just like with us, if we didn't allow our eyes to make the judgment, you know, if we had that removed and relet on our other senses and intuition and kind of you know, that common sense that you know, if you would allow those things to be at the forefront versus just what you're seeing, that would make all the difference of how we interact with each other and how you know, we we would treat one another. You know, the pre can see and like you said, people, he must have been a soldier. You know, we're else you know, like, you know, did someone do this to you? You know?

7:38 What what happened to you? That's usually would be kind of like a common first question if you see something, you know, like like what happened? Because who in their mine? The first thing, oh, you must have been put together by a bunch of dead dude dead you know, the dead part body parts, so right, you know that's not the first. Putting those two together. Yeah, yeah, you know. And then you know, if you're told that you're like what, you're out of your mind and they lock you up just for being a madman, not for being a monster, but but the use of the blind man, you know, showing that you've got these other senses that you really rely on and nurture and and you you know, your eyesight, so he didn't have to have his eyes, you know, he had his sense.

8:19 Of you're a good person. You can feel that vibe. Off of Oh yeah, absolutely, you can, you know. With or without, you know, your eyes, you can definitely get that. And he so to me, I mean that was the ultimate. I mean, yeah, there's there's a line that the creature gives us in his narration. He says, this is when the wolves were attacking for the first time and killing the sheep and stuff like that. He said, the hunter did not hate the wolf, the wolf did not hate the sheep, but violence felt inevitable between them. This was the way of the world. It will haunt you and kill you just for being who you are. That is just beautiful, It really really is and I mean it really makes you think of the way we view things in this world. And you know, it just it makes you personalize it in a way, if that makes sense.

9:12 It does, you know, it makes you want to treat other people better because of hearing that. I mean, it just it hits home. It really does. You know, a person's walk of life for why they are the way they are, you know, but just automatically, Hey, you're in this category. You're in this category. It's going to be you know, wolves are beautiful, but yes, but they're doing what they were born to be exactly and it was for you know, they need to feed themselves too. And fortunately sheep are not a predator, you know, you know, they are a prey and it's just that's the balance of that natural world.

9:54 Yeah. Yeah, there's just there's just so many things in this film. It's ridiculous. I mean we be talking probably half a day on this on this film. This is definitely a leave the film and go have a nice long dinner. Yeah, and you know, just let the ideas flow. Yeah, this is another one of those films. And I talked about this when we did Jaws back in the summer. This is another one of those films if you are a film student and you want to really look what it looks like to make an incredible film that is considered art. This is a perfect example to show this to students of the depth that you can take in creating a vision. And Del Toro is a god dam master of that, and he proves it in this film.

10:43 He's proved it countless other times. Don't get me wrong, I was gonna say. I think I still would champion Penn's Labyrinth over this one. But but yeah, you're absolutely right, Like this absolutely should be on a curriculum somewhere. Yeah, And I envy young filmmakers today. You know, today, kids have so many things at their fingertips. Now. Anybody can make a damn movie now because you know, the cameras. The technology is there with the cameras, the drones, the steady cams, the computers for crying out loud. You can edit a film on anything. You can edit a film on your damn phone now. So there's so many things that kids' fingertips now. I'm jealous of that because when I was that age, god, well, you had to use a VHS camera for crying out loud. And you really couldn't edit it that well because you didn't have the technology to do that kind of thing. Now you've got everything at your fingertips. Just be creative, tell a story, you know, and this is a perfect for This is a perfect film to go look at that.

11:42 You know. I showed this to my nephews and you know, well, I'll go back to like talking about if some people out there have not heard of Frankenstein. My one nephew had no clue who Frankenstein was, and I felt kind of bad. I'm like, really, you don't know who Frankenstein is and you're my nephew. I've let you down somewhere, Okay. You know that happens with Liam sometimes where he's like, you know, what's Pink Floyd? And I'm like, oh, I have failed you. I'm down son. You're gonna learn. And that's what I did. I set him down. And his older brother he already knew freaking Stein and we watched it together, so now he knows and he got a great example of what Frankenstein is out of this film. Yes, absolutely, to. See how you can make their lives more enriched and show them and you know, open up their minds.

12:27 You don't just discard them and chain them to the basement. Don't go hit them with anything. You know, Well, you're just dumb, and I'm done with you. Well, I love that the title of the book is subtitled the Modern Prometheus, and I love to think about that as you're reading it or watching this movie. Because Prometheus he gave humans fire because he wanted them to grow and flourish. He loved them so much. He wanted to enrich their lives and make it better be And what Victor has is hubris, which in Greek mythology, it was a lot worse than just being like extremely prideful or arrogant. It was saying that we are better than the gods and that we can do it better, and that they are unworthy of ruling, and we're going to take over. And you know, all of these things that you look at, you know, your parents, and you can say, well, these are all the ways that you screwed up, And then unfortunately you look at your own kids and you go, yeah, these are all the ways I screwed up. Because none of us know what we're doing. We're all doing the best we can exactly, but you know, to see how that progresses through this story is just a fascinating thought experiment.

13:47 Yeah, and it shows you what kind of level of the creatures on too, that he forgives Victor at the end, Like what would that take for anyone to forgive somebody who put them through that? And then him begging and asking for a companion, and you know, just wanting someone to love him. Just it really breaks your heart. And I don't know if I could forgive somebody if they put me through something like that, that would be the hardest thing ever. Granted, you know he's an innocent, he really is. Victor just put him through hell and back, you know, and he learned his lesson with that. And he actually taught Victor a lesson by you know, beating the crap out of him. You know. The one thing when he says, I will make you bleed, I will make you humble. You may have created me, but from this day forward, I will be your master. I love that line because it just shows you how the roles have reversed there, you know. And I think maybe Victor doesn't recognize it just yet, because he still goes on that hunt and chases him up north and so eventually on the ship he does realize it because remember he tells the captain just put me outside, let the creature have me, because you know, I'm done basically. But then when and you know, uh, the creature comes in, tells his story, and then they sit down and basically just you know, Victor asks for that forgiveness. The whole scene right there was just beautiful in itself, even though we may hate Victor still, which we do, but just the the love the creature had for his father right there

15:18 just shows you the heart he had in the end. I absolutely am in love with that addition and of that know that to be part of that adaptation of that therapeutic scene between them. And I had mentioned in the review about the forgiveness part that that is a feat that a lot of as humans struggle to get to. That healing. You know, all these things we try to, you know, to survive and so forth, and and you know, the creature has had a limited time, you know, on the earth, so they're not so jaded by the world as you know whole and I think too with his interactions with that blind man Elizabeth and just and then the little scenes that you have with you know where it was that it was a deer when he was in this wandering through the forest before he got to that family's the mice and things like that. That definitely worked in his favor to get to that point, you know, despite what Victor done with them, because like you said, most of them like no, I hope you've rotten hell die of gone rhea and rotten, you know, like no, and and especially you know a lot of you know, a lot of people are being more outspoken about, you know, their traumas and things, because that is a you know, healthy part. But you know, even personally, I mean some

16:48 certain things that you know, other people, the harms of that, you know, that's taken me like decades before, you know, because you don't always have to forgive someone else. I know, they say, you know, the forgiveness is about your self. And I'm trying not to digress too much, but just to bring Moore how he was just so willing to do that for himself and like you said, of having you know. That even that self love. If I want to get all kind of little hokey about it, that you know, hey, this is kind of the cards have been dealt. This is what I want at the end, you know, he was able to. Yeah. I wonder if it has more to do with acceptance, because, like he initially asks, Victor, make one like me. I want a partner, I want a mate. But I think in this adaptation the death of Elizabeth, like as he is with her when she dies and they're in her action when she dies, I think he realized, like, this was my soulmate, this is the one that would have loved me, and she did in losing her. I think as he is fleeing Victor, he's accepting that there will be no one else like her. There's no one else like me, and there will be no one else like her.

18:11 He's alone. Yeah, yep. And I think as he's fleeing and coming to accept that, you know, he tries to to destroy himself first with the dynamite, you know, and I think he had decided, like I'm accepting that this is the end of my path, and you know, when that didn't happen, I think that all of that trauma had then made it easier for him to take that next step to forgive Victor, you know, before he died. Yeah, that's a very good point. It's just you know, hey, this was the idea of a life that I would have liked to have had. Now that that version is not possible, I have to move forward and the life that I am going on to have.

18:55 That last scene, that last shot is just with the sun beautiful, Yes, with him standing in the sun. Like it's gut wrenching that it's beautiful as well. It is really heartbreaking. I mean it's just like because he's by himself, you know, well. Like to go back to pants Labyrinth, like the end of that movie, Like I'm a sobbing mess. Like it's really sad, but it's also beautiful because you know, she gets her parents and she's a princess and it's okay. It's bittersweet. Yes, And how appropriate that he ends this movie with the quote and I and thus the heart will break yet brokenly live on. Yes, I absolutely love that the Lord Byron quote. I'm going to that because that was another connection yep, you know with Mary Shelley Well, and it was.

19:40 In the book, so you know it was important to her. There were people that were complaining about it, like you ended the movie with a man's quote, and I'm like, dude, the whole movie was her words. Like what do you want? We just spent like two and a half hours with her. It's fine, everybody, Calm. Down, Calm down, Calm down. And you know, another thing that I love that del Toro did is the sound the voice of the creature, Like especially at the beginning when he's attacking the crew and you hear that victor, like that deep growl that he had. It just like even when he got up on the ship and he was like I want him, and everybody's like backing up a little bit because it's almost like a creature, like literally a animal growling. Wow. Yeah, I don't know anything about any kind of layering of sound, but it does sound like if that's Jacob doing that voice, like that's really impressive voice work, which is possible, but like it almost sounds like they layered him with like a t rex and a gorilla and something else.

20:41 But it works for sure. Yes, that whole opening with that just puts you on edge. Your sea's like, holy crap, we're in for a treat. Oh yeah, that that was a perfect way I get we're gonna pull you on into this and uh yeah and that after that and I was yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I was intrigued, see, because I didn't know where we were going with this adaptation. So Garma never lets you down. You're gonna end up loving the creature by the end of it, you know you are. But if we go according to Hoyle, like he's a horribly violent murderer, like he slaughters everybody, yep, you know, if they even thought the words Victor Frankenstein, they get killed. So you know, like you're wondering, how is he going to make me, you know, not terrified of this creature? And then of course look at what he does. Do you know?

21:33 Another thing that we should discuss is the music by Alexander Displot. Yes. I was, oh, he's so, oh my god. That the music in this was brilliant. Again I'm using that word throughout this, Yes, And you know, at times it was it was just lightly there in the background and you you almost didn't notice it, but you did it because it didn't take over the story or the scene or anything like that. But then when it needed to really punch up, did it. And it was absolutely beautiful, especially the piece there at the end when when he's going off to the sun by himself. Beautiful piece right there, and It's just I glad that like he held himself back to some degree, and I'm sure that's still total saying.

22:16 You know, I don't want the music taking over the story because the story is strong enough, but you still get hints of it throughout the film, and I thought it was lovely. Oh and I love like there is there is no Frankenstein movie without the reanimation scene, like the laboratory and the reanimation in the storm. Like if you don't have that, I don't know what the hell you're doing, and it's so crucial and right, what story are you even telling? But it's interesting to see all the different ways that it's been done through the years and different ideas of you know, what scientific strategy could you use to reanimate a corpse? But I love in this scene how the music is like almost whimsical. Yes it is, because there's you know, horror and comedy are side by side, like they're the Yin and the Yang and a lot of horror, there is humor there because that's in some ways your response to fear is like that you just bubble up and like you can laugh, you know, And I love that that, you know, instead of like you said, being very bombastic and dramatic and something big is about to happen.

23:36 There's this kind of whimsical you know, he's shoving these body parts down the drain and stuff. You know, there's this whimsy to that music that I think is just it's so spot on. It is absolutely It's funny. When you mentioned the body parts that that documentary that we saw, they said that, well, we had a few of these body parts and we want to see what ways he goes use them all ywhere. Yeah, there's legs and arms and who knows what. It's so gross, but yet I mean he's there like soling limbs off. And just but you know, there's a beauty to that as well. It's in the in the level of you know, if you are in medicine, you take gross anatomy and you dissect a cadaver and you learn all of these structures, and he uses that so well, yeah, I know he's not a doctor, but I mean he did go class for a while, and the use of that you know, scientific medical side of it and that anatomical medical side of it, I think keeps it from being disgusting. Just for the point of being disgusting. Like, I love Kenneth Branna and I like that version. I think it's a good adaptation of the book. But god damn, it's so gross.

25:01 Like yeah, I just yeah, So this probably would be a good point to interject my slight little rits since we're talking about like the body parts, and then here we go, here we go, so this, yeah, this, I don't know, this might be just an extra for the patreons, but here we go. So back to when the creatures. Asking Victor, Hey, I want a companion, and then Victor goes off on you know, he refuses because he's not going to make another mistake and he doesn't want, you know, reproduction of the abomination and leads to more manus in the world, or, as he says, a breed of rare doubles. At least that's from the book.

25:43 Obviously, he had to go through and salvage all these particular body parts and making sure that they were all in working order correct, So obviously you're going to assume, okay, maybe he would have the ability to reproduce, But that excuse is just kind of a cop out because if you were to go make a companion for him, well, again you're gonna have to find some fresh body parts to put together that you could reanimate that companion, but take out the reproductive organs. Now, mind you, I am all for women's autonomy and their choice and their personal desires when it comes to you know, pregnancy things like that.

26:24 But since we learned that this particular creature version of the creature can regenerate, this sectomy is out of the question because I would assume you would do that these parts are gonna heal and then boom you have, you know, more little baby abominations running around. So and which also led me to believe, well, if he can regenerate, well forget about Captain America. Here's your freaking super soldier. With that. So that you know, So that was my whole argument about the whole you know, companion thing of just you could have given him somebody and you could have taken away that you know, that element. Again, I know I'm picking this apart, you know, and breaking it down, but I also thought it was just a four fundzies. Sure well, but that would have been logical about it.

27:18 That was the one thing that I didn't like about this adaptation is I don't like the t one thousand element of Brukenstein, like I like him, yeah, being I wasn't super big, super strong. Yeah, but the idea that like he literally blow himself up with dynamite and then like just I don't know what came back together again. Yeah, he said he could feel everything kind of growing back, but even when he was. Leaving them say no, yeah, but I mean that's such a nitpicky little thing that it doesn't even cap it doesn't even matter. It's fine. So the whole Yeah, so that regeneration thing, I was like, okay, well that this is a new aspect of him.

28:00 It is because you know in the. Book he does start making he makes one and then he throws it away and then he says I don't want him to all of a sudden now I can't do it, and he destroys it and the creature watches him destroy it, and that's when he's like, okay, well I'm killing your bride, you know, the wedding night, and Kenneth Bradas kind of took that little later. So that that leads me to a question, Yes, the way this one ends, do you think if Netflix was to finance it, do you think we would see Bride of Frankenstein from Del Toro, because there's rumors already flying around that it's a possibility. Now it's not come from Del Toro to my knowledge. But would you ladies like to see Bride of Frankenstein?

28:48 I mean, it would be interesting. But on the other hand, it could be a different story, whether or not you know, without necessarily you know, companion that's created like him. So last night I watched a movie not realizing that it was more like an extension. Of the Frankenstan story. And I never seen it, but it's called I Franken Signed with Aaron Eckhart, and I will say it was fun. I don't know if you've seen it, but it was. Yeah, it was like a modern thing of him. You know, he survived and now he's in the middle of a war between gargoyles and demons and such. And it was, you know, by one of the main writers from you know, The Underworld's here. So as soon as I start, I'm like, okay, I can definitely feel the Underworld vibe throughout this whole thing.

29:37 And it wasn't I would you know, it had a lot of good action, you know, it was decent. I mean it wasn't horrible, So maybe seeing something a little bit more that doesn't necessarily have to involve a bride. It couldn't be something forced. It's got to be like even if you know, I mean, he's gonna live for a Also, it doesn't necessarily have to take you know, like right after it could you know, timely even a little bit, you know, like it doesn't even have to be super modern, but it if del Tour would be willing to do it, I would be willing to watch it. Amber, what do you think? I mean, Brian Frankenstein in the movie doesn't if you're going for that story, it doesn't mesh with we just watched.

30:27 So it would have to be like pretty original idea, you know. And and like Angela said, whatever Gamer wants to do for it, do whatever he wants forever. But I know I'm not interested. I I have you know, Liam loves hell Boy and hell Boy too, but that's a comic book adaptation that has many series and iterations. I've never been interested in a in a sequel to any of his films, so I think they're perfect just like they are. I'm in the camp that let's just leave this one alone. Yeah. We don't need any sequels, We don't need any additional stories or anything like that, because this one's absolutely perfect.

31:10 I love the. Ending, like it's just yeah, yeah, peace, just leave and be And that's kind of where I'm go. Hang out with the polar bears. He'll be fine, right, you know, Go be a spirit of the forest. Go exactly. No, be benevolent to those that you don't always have you to make it. No, just be especially people out of the ice flow. Yes, yeah, absolutely, watch out for that. So I just like to think of his doing this thing his thing. He doesn't need our interference, and. I like that. That's that's the best way to look at it. And I agree with you on that one. Angela. All right, So, ladies, I know I told you to bring with you some homework and talk about your three favorite films that are frank Is signed. That is not this one, because I know all of us absolutely love this one, so we're not going to include this one.

32:00 So let's talk about our three favorite films that are about Frankenstein over the years. So whoever wants to go first, be my guest. I ad Aneymber all right, So my first one is from nineteen thirty five, The Bride of Frankenstein. Actually I was torn between that one and the first one. But Bride of Frankenstein has more of the monster and more his character is more like it is in the book, and you get a little more divisive Victor, so to speak, because you have Victor who's still like kind of a nice guy, and then you have Doctor Pretorius who's just an absolute rat bastard. So you get like the ying and yang of that. So I like that one. Nineteen seventy four. Young Frankenstein can never not be on the list.

32:52 You have to to make a good parody, you have to love what you're paroding, and that parody is so spot on, perfect, hysterically funny, and the love just flows through, So that one always is on my list. And then for my third one, you know, I talked about the Kenneth Branna version. Everybody really knows that one. But in twenty eleven, the National Theater in Britain did National Theater live production of Frankenstein, starring Benedict Cumberbatch and Johnny Lee Miller, and what they did was, for the run of the play, they alternated playing Victor and the creature. Oh cool, so they I don't, I can't remember. It was like every other night or every third night or whatever. They switched off.

33:46 And then National Theater Live will film certain productions, and so Liam and I saw that in the theater and it's I believe, still available on YouTube. They did release it officially. It's not like a bootleg. And that is just a fascinating acting exercise. It's really interesting to watch, you know, the set design and the way they tell the story, and it's very minimalistic sets, but it still gives you everything that you need to tell the story. And then the acting between those two is just amazing, and it goes very much into the morality of the choices that Victor made. And and you know the line from this movie that I love is he says, I never considered what would come after creation, and I just shouted out, like just like a man, damn it. Of course you didn't. This is why you have very little to do with creation, and you just let us take care of it because y'all cannot handle it. But that's pretty much this play is this back and forth between them of you know, what has Victor done and the other characters as they discover what he is done, you know, kind of discussing the morality of it and the implications of that kind of science, and so it's just a really fascinating production. So check that out on YouTube.

35:12 That sounds amazing. I'm definitely gonna check that out. Thanks the Amber Angela. What about you, Young Frankenstein is my the brilliance of Gene Wilder and Melburk's coming together with that and uh, not just the story, but bringing us some amazing comedic female performances from Oh. My god, Madeline Cry, I mean be seen at the train. I die. I cannot even breathe. She was taken from us too soon, and then Chlorus Leachman of course, but now pretty much everyone on that film there.

35:53 I hope they're all having a blast, uh where they are in heaven and having a lovely reunion. You just can't, mel Brooks, just yet, not. Just yeah, yes we need yeah, Spaceball's number two. Yes, this is so what's gonna heal the world? I'm dying to search for more money. I can't wait, as like I will be in at the opening weekend for that. But yeah, just like she said, you you can only do an appropriate and perfect parody if you really know the material, and it was just fantastic. So that's my number one. I did put on Kenneth Browno's Mary Shelley's Frankenstein for just a couple of reasons, not that it's the best adaptation, because it's not. I I love Kenneth Brognant. I think he's he's a good director. I think he's a good uh a great actor. This particular version shows a little bit more of the romanticism of it, I think, you know, especially with him and Elizabeth sticking with that particular storyline.

36:58 As you know in the book, it does tend to be a little bit more Shakespeare and melodramatic. I think Robert nindeerro was miscast as the monster yea, and the makeup of him as I mean, it was just I mean, I get your good trying to go for a shot, maybe shockguning gruesome, but it was just I don't know, I just think it was just I just didn't like it, because there's a way you can portray that without being so like you just didn't care with that needle and thread, did you victor life and and and and the parts you pick like I just laziness. AnyWho, So for that, I you know, and then it also kind of shows you know where uh, you know, the whole you know, uh, the monster kills Elizabeth and then you know, Kenn's like, oh well I can just you know, resurrect her now, and then showing that where she comes to realize what was done to her and what she decides to do.

37:56 Because of that. So I I liked those parts of it. I think it's a good one at least. Nothing else to gauge the other version, the last one I put the first Frankenstein in nineteen thirty one, since that was the one that kind of started at all seeing you know, the Boris Karloff and that first kind of visual representation you know, of that that. Monster, you know, overlooking that understanding. It was made in nineteen thirty one, so you know, the acting there is a little bit camp and exaggerated, and. You know, obviously films have progressed since what.

38:37 And then I know I'd already mentioned that, you know that the credit of her and that was. Just I'm like, oh my god, as missus Percy B. Shelley and not just Mary Shelley. I was like, ah, but I think those those three are good ones. To have egauge make engauge. Yeah, I agree. So I mean we're we're all three are going to be pretty much close to one another. My first one, obviously, I'm going to go with way Del Toro would go, and it would be the nineteen thirty one Frankenstein with Bori's call Off as the monster, Colin Clive May, Clark, John Bowles and of course directed by James Whale. That one set the standard for all of Frankenstein films up up to this date, and it does so much at Del Toro, you know, obviously grew up with that. He saw it in the theaters over and over and he fell in love with it, which is why we got the Frankenstein that we get today is because of that film. So you have to give that one. It's nod Amber. I agree with you. The nineteen thirty five Bride of Frankenstein.

39:35 You get more of Boris Karloff, which I love him as Frankenstein. That's what I watched when I was a little kid growing up, you know. I mean, I know they were still really old, you know when I was growing up, but I fell in love with that Frankenstein. But again, you got Colin Clive, You've got Elsa Lanchester in her incredible performance as Mary Walstoncroft Shelley. She was amazing in that film. Again directed by James Well, who you know, I think did such a great job with those two. And of course I have to agree with both of you on Young Frankenstein, come on putting on the Ritz. I'm telling you, just that scene in itself. I cry every time I watch it because it's so funny everybody, and I want to throw out, Oh my goodness.

40:21 Marty Feldman, he was brilliant in that film and just as Igor. I mean, my god, wasn't your hump on the other side. It just it's just simple. Things in that movie were just so funny, and yeah, a shout out to Cloris Leachman. I loved her, Madeline Khan, you know, Terry Garr, everybody. Geene Wilder was perfect in that film. You know, I can't speak more than you two have already done. But those definitely are the three Frankenstein films that I would watch over and over and recommend to everybody, including this one that we just talked about in this episode. Mom and I will still kind of the monster finds Madeline con and she starts singing, Oh no, if you.

41:12 So good, we still. Won't quote that, partners. You know, depending on what's going on in our lives or what we're talking about is somehow we can relate it to that, we bring. That up too. So yep, absolutely well, ladies, thank you so much for joining me for this podcast. It has been exactly what I expected to be. Hopefully it was you know, was it too much? No, not at all, You too were both perfect. Thank you so much for that. I knew what I was getting into, and I'm glad that's why I wanted you too with me to talk about this film. And Amber, I owe you apology when I rolled my eyes saying when you said it was a brilliant film that it was a masterpiece before I watched it, because you're absolutely correct, it is a masterpiece.

42:02 They don't call me the voice of reason for not. And I'll say one more thing about like I you know, usually watch things just you know, either you know, comedic, you know, because of my my hectic work schedule and and and what I do for a living, and so you know, usually I go to like comedic stuff or I'm usually always like super serious like drama stuff because I I'm weird. But what I really loved, besides all the things that we've talked about with this film, was that even in that chaotic life and in the schedule that it's hard for me to really connect with something to really allow me to feel like all the things that sometimes I don't give myself time to do. This really helped like with that, Like I from the moment it started, so even long after an inn and I was you know, I was listening to like the soundtrack you know, online just you know, all those things that I maybe not be able to dress like day and I but all the bet more better for it.

43:03 I know, I'm kind of like babbling here with. But definitely something that you really want to feel you're invested. I mean, you're just it was it was. It gave quite a lot, and I really appreciate that part. You know, so absolutely well, You're your article was perfect. That's another reason why I wanted you on this one because. Of the article. And I'm like, I appreciate it. Getting Amber and Angela together is going to be fun. But you know, I know both your love your passion, so it's nice to have that together and talk about it. So without question, thank you so much for that. Uh, listeners, what do you think of Frankenstein? Have you seen it? Did we get this one wrong? Because I know we didn't get it wrong. Let us know on Facebook, Instagram, and x. Check out www dot film by podcast dot com for film and TV articles and our entire library streaming free. Write to us on a Film by a Podcast at gmail dot com with your questions, comments and concerns.

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