Phasers Set To Stun: recapping Discovery: Lagrange Point

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1:02 And here we are almost at the end of Star Trek Discovery Season five, of the series' final season. The series has taken us to all corners of the galaxy, from the planet's q Maw, Trill and Helmo, to the Bad Lens, to the Mirror universe, and from Starfleet headquarters to the Eternal Gallery and Archive. The map to the Progenitor's technology has been completed and lost to the Breen and now In this week's episode, Lagrange Point, the Discovery are on a race to get there first. So this is black alert, folks. There are spoilers ahead, and if you haven't seen this episode, please stop and shovel yourself to the nearest view screen to catch it on Paramount Plus. Then come back and rejoin us for this discussion. Now, Scott, why don't you give us a short summary of this episode? Hey?

1:49 First of all, I gotta give it to you for rocking right through those three pronunciations of those planets. I know, right, man, that's a lift away. And like you said. In the penultimate episode of the season and the series, Discovery finally reaches its destination, the fabled Progenitor technology. They find the prize nestled between two black holes in a binary star system at a lagrange point, which apparently has nothing to do with the z top and everything to do with a position of gravitational equilibrium, creating a perfectly dangerous and stationary parking spot for it. The prize is deceptively simple, an ornate cylinder that resembles a monolithic oil barrel, although finding the answers they seek within is far from easy. Discovery barely has time to consider the object before the Breed rip it from their hands. The chase seems to be over, but Discoveries resolve leads to a bold plan infiltrate the Breen Dreadnought disguised as Breen soldiers and take it back. Adira, Reese, Book and Burnham form the away team, while Discovery's remaining crew figures out how to help them escape with a Progenitor tech. Meanwhile, Moel gains confidence as a temporary leader of the Breed by cracking open the canister and trying to solve the mystery inside before a competing Breen leader arrives to seal it from her. Eventually, the away team is unmasked and Burnham finds herself pulled into the canister along with several unfortunate Breen volunteers.

3:19 Discovery creates a plan that frees the canister from the Dreadnought, flinging it into open space, where it forms a larger and more stable portal. The episode wraps with Rainer and crew determined to get Burnham back while defending the Progenitor Prize from two warring Breen factions. We'll see if they make it in episode ten, The Last of the season and the series. Yeah, that's quite a synopsis. But you know, this episode is really pactful as stuff, so you know, yeah, you had to go through it one by one and all of it was great. I love this episode. You know, it's really hard to decide where to begin to talk about it. It really is. I mean, the biggest thing we need to talk about is the directed by Jonathan Freaks. Oh definitely, yeah. You know, I love every episode that he has directed, every movie he's directed, so and we all love him as coming to a writer of course. Oh yeah. But yeah, there's a lot going on in this episode. And I don't know what when my favorite part would be of this episode because there was so much in it. I just know that when they shoved Discovery to the shuttle way of the uh, the dreadnock is like, are they really going to do that?

4:26 Yeah? I mean I think that was even the reaction of the bridge, are really going to do this? And I just thought that entire sequence was incredible. And again I'll talk about the special effects, the visual effects. They were incredible in this episode, especially that scene they were and that shot at the beginning. We've seen that last last week on the clip, but where it was warping well damaged when it's spun was really cool. And then you know, there was that shot. I just love that shot where it was in half cloak kind of you know, flying pap plast the two black holes. That's probably one of the most beautiful space sh So they've done this whole season. Yeah, you know this effects the team that does the FX has done an incredible job this year, you know, so I like to give it a shout out to It's Piximondo is the main visual effects company and as well as quite a few others, but their work on the series has been phenomenal. Yeah, that cloaking effect was really well done. I mean, I need to show an invisible ship but you can still see it so you still have the context to know where it's going. Yeah, I would definitely say The headline is directed by Jonathan Frakes. Of course, written by Sean cochrane and Ari Friedman. A great combination for this one. A very action packed episode. A lot of things have to get kind of wrapped up and resolved as we get toward the end. I would say the subhead to this one is Siru's back. Yes, from the top, right, I mean kind of he's coming back, but he's not great there. Well,

5:59 here's my thoughts on this, okay, and this is kind of give going to give away what I think is coming in episode ten. I think they're leading to his death. Really, there's a lot of stuff that happens in this episode where there's a lot of things that you don't say or do, like in a horror movie, that you if you do and say it, you're pretty much going to end your character's life coming down the road of the movie him basically, you know, coming back giving the flowers and then volunteering for this mission, and you know the talk that he had with Burnham, you know, and those kind of things. You know, we kind of don't have enough time right now, but you know, hey, it's good to have you back, those kind of things. I could be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong, but I really feel like that's where they're leaning. I hope not. I mean it could be. I really it's all guessing. I really have no idea where they're gonna or how they're gonna end this with the characters, but I hope not because I like him.

6:53 I love this character. I always have since the beginning, and I missed him for these last what was six seven episodes that he's been gone. I think that scene with him and Karina was so good and so well played by by both of them. You know, when when the series, when the season started, I wasn't really sure if I cared about the storyline with their marriage. Sure, you know, I just I wasn't feeling that. But just you know, as this season is progressed, I'm really liking them more and more, and I hope they get married. I hope you're you're wrong day, but we don't know. We won't know until you know, next week. Yeah, but no, when I do agree with you, I feel like the romance was kind of awkward at first at the beginning of the season, but in this episode it felt very fluid. It felt very good to have those two together. Sure it might be because we could see the ruin Streen again, but the two of them were just perfect together in that scene. I agree. Yeah, yeah, And I mean, there there are characters that you might not necessarily think of as having a traditional romantic relationship just because of the you know, the vulcan background. I also hope that you're wrong you feel like it's like, hey, everybody, we've got soda, but it's been sitting out for seven hours. It's like, Dave, you had to say something that sounds like it's right. But yeah, it's entirely possible, and I think there's probably going to be moral implications of you know, yes, we have this tech that could technically bring back a fallen

8:26 colleague, but should we I think there's a lot of that that's probably going to come out with this progenitor tech. It's kind of like the question isn't necessarily who should have the progenitor tech, it's more like should anyone? Is it something that's better left to history and science? Yeah? I agree on their relationship angle as well. I think it's perfectly written, and I think it does a great job of going through traditional kind of relationship beats that are appropriate for each of these characters that are not, you know, stereotypically overly romantic, but the feelings are genuine and you can tell how much they care for each other and how much they also respect the positions that they're in and the responsibilities they have. Yeah, I agree. You know the one scene in this episode that I was like, really that that just happened, now what, And the bridge crew had the same reaction it was when the dreadnaught gets showed up, grabbed it and we got it. It happened so fastened.

9:26 Really we went through all that and that fast and they took it and it's over, and like the bridge group felt like that, dude, now what right? Right? Well? And then you know, I also kind of wonder, you know, it's floating out there like a you know, it feels produced by anybody else. It would have like Pepsi logo on the side or something like that. They've got this perfectly dangerous hiding spot for it, so you can't kind of fly in there and grab it. But they didn't think about somebody with a tractor beam. They could just I just pull it away, you know. I mean that feels like it should have been a little bit more of a struggle, like don't have them just reach off the shelf and grab it. But of course, you know, I mean, eight hundred years has passed, so maybe back then next generation time trains are tractor beams couldn't quite reach that far or weren't that sue, Yeah, they should have at least had one of those you know stereotypical bridge shots where there's like sparks flying and things catch fire because it's hard to do you know, yeah whatever it guess it's a little tough. I do want to give out a shout out to instant Towel because of her going instow going on the away mission. You know, everybody even looked like, uh, really we should we be doing this? Is this really happening? And you know, just the bravery that's how showed right there was fantastic. Even Burnam was kind of struggling at first and they realized, no, I mean, how is the quickest when it comes in and that's exactly what they need, you know, is speed, and tow was fantastic in this episode. Yeah, and

10:56 the the concern that you see on standds, you know, like I know that they're ready. I want them to be able to do so, but this is extraordinarily dangerous, Like this is the brain and you're basically going to dress up like the brain and then go on their dreadnought which is filled with brain that want to kill you, which was incredible by the way of them dressing up as the brain, although that was fantastic. Yeah. Well, and the way that they kind of navigated that. That's I guess. The next thing that caught my attention is how much more we get into breed culture and military structure. You know, there was a lot of nuance to that, you know, changing the logo so they're on the science team, for example, knowing how to navigate an awkward conversation, actually more than one awkward conversation, just with dialogue, we really see the xeno anthropology side of Burnham come through. And they were all extraordinarily brave for it doesn't seem like they missed a beat. There was no like you know, hesitation, stammering, doubt. They just went full on into it. Well they knew, they knew what was on the table. Man, you know, this is it.

12:07 I mean, if we do not get this from the brain, it is over. And they knew it. So I mean they don't you don't have a choice in the situation. But you know, and even as powerful as the dramatic moments were. Again, one thing I love about Star Trek is they have those comedic beats that you get sometimes too. I laughed so hard when Book was flirting with the Breen. Yeah, I laughed so hard there and then Burnham was just giving into it as well, like, really, this is happening? Are you sure you don't want to get into that oil bath, like yeah, it's so good. Yeah, you know. I also have to mention you mentioned the fact that the episode was directed by Jonathan Frakes. That's really what made this episode for me, what what made it stand out from the others, because his direction I thought was was nominal, and he's directed so much Star Trek over the years. You know, I don't even know how many Nextoration episodes he directed, but you know he did some of my favorite episodes of all the series. Yeah. He did Search and Past Tense for ad Space nine. He directed quite a few episodes of Voyager. He directed No When Scenario for A Card's Season three, which I thought was a phenomenally good episode. But this episode, more than any of the other ones that I just mentioned it it looks like it was directed by the man who directed Star Trek First Contact. If that makes any sense to you, I don't know it, does you know, because I think you know First Contact. I think we all agree that is a beautifully directed film. It's one of one of our favorites. Got you know, it's well timed, the pacing is great, the action is great. When he

13:41 dialogue from the actors, you know, everyone looks like they're enjoying their time with the director. And I see that here. Yeah, you know, more so than the other episodes that he directed. It's got his fingerprints all over it. And I loved that the episode because of that. So there is some definitely Jonathan Frake shots I could see and like towards the beginning of the episode and a little bit later on too, that we had seen in his past that he did, but he went a little bit more further with some of his directing in this one and gave us some originality stuff that really, you know, Frakes hasn't done before. And what I what I liked was I remember talking about in the first episode of this season when they did the split screen of the two characters side by side on the screen. We didn't like that he did it here with three characters, but it worked because it is so quick and so fast paced and what was going on all around it fit in here perfectly and I'm so glad Freaks did it there. Yeah.

14:41 Yeah, it helped establish that kind of Iron Man heads up to helmet. That's exactly what I felt. It felt like iron man. Yeah, the heads up gibberish on the side that was like what is all this for? But yeah, it did work really, really well, And I'm glad you mentioned that because that's one of the things to cut my attentions like, oh, last time we saw this not so great, but did a good job of establishing, you know, their their communication and you know, kind of reminding you who's there on the team to keep moving forward. But yeah, way in the other aspect, as you mentioned, and having similarities with First Contact, it's it's knowing how to create the established, establish the atmosphere within an immense alien vessel. Yes, we had so many different aspects of seeing the Breen ship, so much complexity to try to work with, from you know, flying Discovery into the Shuttle pay which you know speaks to the immense size of this Dreadnaught, but a lot of the establishing shots, a lot of the a lot of the scenes that helped to just kind of deal with all the space dynamics of you know, two ships dealing with a certain situation. It was just very well done. I can imagine him, you know, going through the storyboard process with the you know, a ship in his hand going like it would kind of tilt like this, That just seems

16:11 like it could be a lot of fun. But yeah, and Freakes definitely knows how to give you those camera angles that will match the characters in situations with action, you know, with drama, whatever it is. I almost called him Riker Frakes does an incredible job of doing that and building that tension throughout the episode, which he's done in so many episodes that you mentioned Wayne, even in First Contact, he did so good with it. But seeing the brain on screen like that and seeing you know, the camera angles he chose and the movements of the camera that we see, he really does such a good job with grabbing what's going on on screen and just building it that tension up and just does it so well. Yes, he does. Yeah, really, do you have one little issue with the episode? Of course, you know, the tricky in me has to to tell me you got to pick what I picked? Go ahead, Well, what was up with them pulling the hose out of the back of the brain suit? Uh to in catacitate it? I mean I was under the impression that the brain suits were more of a of a uniform, not like in an environmental suit.

17:15 Grease. We've seen them, you know, we've seen them breathe and outside the the you know, with with Locke, yeah or not, you know, And so that really didn't make any sense to me. I mean, it was cool, but I I don't know was it a mistake or not. I'm not sure. I do have a possible solve for that, but it might be, you know, it might be like BS dialogue. That's mean to do. So just the sense that when Locke took his helmet off in the first second episode and there was that kind of moment, or we saw the amorphous nature of their biology. I wonder if there's a certain period of adaptation they have to go through to say, I'm making a conscious decision to adapt to the environment outside of the suit, so I have to spend the time going through that change, otherwise it would knock me out, not necessarily kill them. But it might be previous state exactly exactly. I didn't think of that. That's that's a very good explanation. Okay, Well, then I don't have a I don't have a nigga anymore. I still have one. I still have one so I know a lot's going on and a lot of stuff has happened with Burnham, but use this time to have a heart to heart with Book. Yes, yeah, I agree with that one.

18:42 Yeah. Pulling off to the side to be like, yay, let's get cozy and chat right, No, no, what if somebody walks by like that seemed kind of unnatural and risky at that moment. But yeah, I mean again, I know a lot was going on. You know, there's a continuing part from the last episode. You know, they just escaped the Dreadnock. You know they're trying to get this ship fixed. They didn't have a lot of time, but I still don't think that was the moment to do it. There's a time and a place. Yeah, and that was not it. I'll definitely tell you that. It seems like it seemed like there was a little bit of time between last episode and this episode where that could have been done. It's gonna great, this is great. I'm glad, but your timing really sucks. We gotta go, we gotta go, come on, come on. I've talked about this character quite a bit over I don't know how many episodes, but quite a bit. Rayner again.

19:33 Guys, when he's on the bridge taking charge. He's just so good at it. But I don't know who mentioned it, Scott Wayne episode ago or two episodes ago, that he never gets into the captain's chair. That was he was addressed. It was finally addressed in this episode by Tilly. Happy to hear that. Yeah, I loved that. And when she went over and tis like, you know, if he's not good, he's avoiding it, you know, getting out again. Yeah, he's putting it the plague. We've all noticed it, you know, and it's like it's true. And then when she tried to confront Rainer about it, you know, it was he really you know, I don't think he gave her an answer, a direct answer. It was basically, you know, and I thought it was a credit to her that he picked her as number one, of course, but it's basically, you know, don't don't question what I'm doing.

20:19 I guess maybe is what it was. Who was his answer to that, if we were stuck in a foxhole, I wouldn't kill you for giving me the warm and fuzzy encouragement that I don't need. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, Yeah, And it's just I love Rainer so much he's become one of my favorite characters in this season. Well, I'll see your Rayner and raise you Atilly, because I think the relationship in here those beats that we've already mentioned in particular, but I also noticed kind of a subtlety when Tilly catches herself saying too much yeah and says thank you for your yes, we'll do that, and it's almost like she was cutting words, right, yeah, So she is meeting him halfway and acknowledging that he has to do the same, but giving him room to do so. And when she mentions that on the bridge, it's not in a way that calls him into question or whatever, and he's receptive to it, right. He says that, you know, if we were in a foss law, I wouldn't kill you, with kind of a rye kind of smile on his face, right, And it shows that their relationship has grown, and I think that's going to advance her so much as a teacher and a leader, and him so much more as a commander and eventual captain, because I know he's headed back to that seat. Was yes, and that was a great beat to point out that idea. And then finally at the end of the episode for him to not only take the chair but to almost kind of give his you know,

21:52 engage kind of phrase right when he's sitting in it. Oh yeah, And it's so much has changed for him and the crew because remember the crew really was just not fond of him at all. Nobody was and even if as an audience were kind of like he was rubbing us the wrong way, especially how he was wanting to learn who everybody was. He didn't want to take the time. But then over the episodes, man, he has really grown on us and he has become such a great dynamic with Burnham, you know, the way they was to communicate with each other. I mean you saw how Burnham, you know, did what that via code that she did to get Rayner to realize what's going on, you know, what to do.

22:33 You know, Yeah, you're so well done. But you know that final scene that opened in the Cliffhanger, when he does set down, it makes you think, you know, he wouldn't sit in that chair because because Burnham was the captain, he had raised respect for the captain's position. But now he's set down, does he you know, think that he's now the captain. Is Burnham gone? Could be Yeah, yeah, entirely possible that he's kind of coming to terms with that to say, you know, look, we need somebody in the chair, literally in the chair, yeah, because it's you know, it's coming up to the end moment here, even though he's not like I'm about to do this because it's almost the last episode.

23:14 Got to get in and see when I can. But more like, you know, Burnham might not come back from this progenitor void, right, and she might not, but we don't know. I mean, this is this is the end game. We don't know what's going to happen. And you know, and I love Rainer's Lyne. You know, failure is not an option, and it's it's not because if they fail, that could be the whole universe, the galaxy all going up because of the Bream. What they're gonna happen under their control, we don't know. Yeah. I also thought it was kind of interesting that this I didn't think about it until it was happening. But like a lot of the Quest story arcs where you're solving puzzles and solving puzzles and solving puzzles, of course you get to the destination. It's just one more puzzle away from being solved. Yeah, I'm sure that's gotta be a little bit. There's got to be somebody on the ship that's like, really, come on, man, we're there just opening.

24:07 But it'll be interesting to see where they go. And there's kind of that teaser of Burnham's puzzle that says something about the form where they all come together or something like that, and that made me think it's got to be possibly something about the shared characteristics between all the races the progenitors had kind of pointed out, or the fact. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up too, because that also me think is Burnham is the only one that knows that clue, that that's the actual clue to make that to make the stuff work. And it makes me think that, you know, one person, one race cannot activate this this technology, but maybe all of them working together are more than one working together as a whole as one could possibly make it actives, which which gives me thoughts about what could happen next episode. You know, if you keep in mind who's inside the void right now, I mean, are they going to somehow have to come together and get it to work.

25:03 I don't know. Yeah, and the whole foreshadowing too of Mole transporting Locke so that he could they can preserve his body, and then she puts that on herself, so she basically took lock with her when she went in. I have my theories of what's going to happen, but I really don't know. I'm just just guessing. Yeah. So, now that we've given our thoughts and opinions on the episode, let's take a look at the characters themselves. Which character do you think shine the most this week? David, Oh, okay, that's one interesting. Sorry. Sorry, I'm going to choose Burnham for this one. You know, she gets a lot off her chest to book, albeit in a bad spot. She gets to pretend to be a Breen. She shows her smarts as we know she is. She gets to kick some butt, all the while showing extraordinary bravery by jumping into the portal not knowing what it will do or where it will lead. That's why I thought it had to be earning in this episod for me, Scott.

26:06 For me, it was Adira earning a place on the away team. Davin, you alluded to this before. We've seen so much growth and character development in that regard. And there's been a lot of places where confidence is kind of shaken, where doubts have kind of come up. They make brave and bold decisions that prove their right for the job, and it's great to see their growth as a confident and essential member of the crew thinking of you know, when we first met them, never would have guessed they'd be able to put on a Breen suit, a counterfeit Breen suit, go on to a dreadnaught and not only get their job done, but stand face to face and you know, dialogue wise, engage in a way it was like, no, we're here, now, move on, Like wow, that's that's a that's a big step forward. Yeah, Wayne, what about you?

27:07 Well this week I think Rayner got the center seat, well literally literally, but he's done an incredible job all this season. You know, his character has really grown past that arrogant and competitive ships captain we saw in that first episode, and you know, and here in this episode we got to see one of his biggest leaps of character growth that he's ever had, you know, finally sitting down, finally taking true command of the Discovery and and of course you know, the way he picks up Burnham's hint. I love that. I thought that was that was a perfect way of connecting it. It's the whole crew were just fantastic. They all work together so great. But with him at the top there, I think that they have no chance of failing in their mission. I think by the fact that each one of us picked someone completely different and had good re for it just shows you how well put together this episode was exactly they were all. They were all fantastic.

28:06 There were so many characters this this episode that that shined. Yeah, absolutely good pick. And I just think think about how far this season and this series has come. Okay, there's been a few moments where faith has been kind of shaken of, like oh no, where is this gonna go, And especially in those first couple of episodes, it was like, Okay, have faith, it's in track. We can get through this. And Wow, it's really turned it around and I'm glad to see where we are. Yeah. I remember our first thoughts, Scott. We talked about like, oh man, this is gonna be a long yeas we weren't sure. Yeah, but you know, after that third fourth episode we started getting into it.

28:48 And look at we're right now, absolutely all right. If you have the choice to be any character that appeared in this episode, which one would it be? And why We'll begin with you, Scott. Well, wait, I'm going to get into who you just mentioned. Rayner gets to lead the Discovery crew in moments where we see them at their best and finally sitting in the captain's chair despite all the pacing that was going on. But I just feel like it would it would be very tense, to say the least, to be on that Breen ship, and there are so many opportunities to see various parts of the crew kind of working together. I'd like to see them from his perspective, David. So funny is how this is going to turn out is because I'm choosing Scott's pick for the character to shine the most.

29:37 I'm going with instant Howel, because you know, getting chosen to go on a dangerous mission, willing to do that, showing that character growth, you know, being so brave, and then getting to go on that ship pretending to be a Breen and getting to explore that technology that you didn't get to see when you were on the Discovery. Sure, it's very very danis sure you could probably get killed, but you know sometimes you got to take those chances and just that feeling that that that that you get, that that adrenalin high that you get, uh, when you go into a situation like I had to be something unreal, but to just to be surrounded by people you know are going to protect your back, you know absolutely, it's it's infant out and I'm gonna probably surprise both of you and I'm chosen choosing a different one. I'm gonna say Leutenant Commander Ashen because the are specifically the helmsman of the Discovery. You know, there was some expert piloting there needed in this episode, you know, between flying away from the black holes, yeah, and then flying into that brain shuttle craft or shuttle bank excuse me.

30:41 You know that really took some skill and that that's the best place in the ship in my opinion, to see everything that happened, and and I'd love to be right there at those controls. You know, just just great position. Yeah, good choice, well, especially considering the state that the ship is in right like how what percentage of things are actually working? Because they had no time to get everybody focused on this board drive let alone. Yeah, I will be shocked if Discoverment makes it through through the rest of the season. Shocked. I agree, I agree. All right, let's dive deep into the episode and see if I can't pull out any Easter eggs.

31:22 And this one was a hard one there. There really wasn't too many in this episode because there was so much action, so much going on. That's there. There were a couple that I saw. You know, there was mentioned that the Brain use transport tunnels or contents to get around. That's that's the same technology that the Board used to get their Cube ships around, and it's it's also the way that Voyager experimented to try to get back to the Alpha Quatter for a while, but they're unfortunately the attempts turned Lieutenant Tom Parris into a salamander so that they abandoned them, you know, like you Yeah, and I'm not sure if you guys noticed, but those black holes and the way Discovery flies away from that's very similar to how the Cerritos flies away from the black hole in the Star Trek Lower Decks title sequence. Yeah, even the black hole is the same design of exactly the same, So I mean I think that that had to be in purpose and then one final one and way did I have to pause this quite a lot to figure this out.

32:20 That map that was briefly shown at Starfleet headquarters, it mentioned a lot of planets that are with the Federation. The ones that I were able to pick off. There was Earth Trill Teller, Ryan, Nubula, Andria Proximity, and Vega and Delta as well, which really surprised me. You don't hear very much about that planet. And there were a lot more, but I just couldn't read them. They were they were, they just went back too fast. Yeah, and those planets, yeah, no man for punishment. I had to watch it twice to pull out even those there. There was just too much action, too much stuff going on right now to to really do any callbacks. Yeah, good call All right. So now we've seen that sneak peak clip from the upcoming episode, Uh, what do we think is going to happen next? I know we've mentioned already a little bit, but so say I think this episode called what Life Itself? Yeah?

33:12 Like ye, I have a feeling the series is going to end. It feels like it didn't yet. You might be correct on this and that that clip. I'm pretty certain that's probably the very first scene of the episode. Yeah, it really seemed like one. It seemed like it was continuing right from where we left off at this episode. I I mean, like we said before, I just don't think the Discovery is going to survive. And you know it's pretty wrecked as it is, and you know that's they got a battle coming out. See, this is the way I've always said all along that these ships should have little fighters to be sent out to fight while the big ship is getting fixed. Because as you see, the Brain are sending their fighters out. According to that scene we see in there, why do why does the Discovery or any other starships not have ownership that they can send out to fight most of the most of their enemies do? I mean you have the Rascians had it, the Romulans had it, you know, now the Breen has it. You know, those are the ones I can pick up top of my head. But no, we've got science shuttle crafts.

34:16 So right, that's not going to do the trick. Grab grab ds nine runabouts there we go. Yeah, quite quite a few phaser bays, aren't There were tough little ships. Yeah, but guys, I knows. As I mentioned earlier too, I really think we're going to lose through it just it had that vibe, it had that feel to it. And again, I hope I'm completely off page here. I hope I'm completely wrong, and Through is going to be fine because we all love him, you know, he's like, he's among one of our favorite characters, but he's so he is Wayne as you would know. Yeah, I just think it's going that way. I really do. Yeah, you're you're right, I think.

34:58 I mean, it does have that feel. I mean, I don't know if it's be Saru, but I just don't think that they're all going to be it. Yeah, yeah, And I do think maybe something to consider is that it feels odd to lose Saru in this tenth episode because he hasn't necessarily been as involved in Discovery as before, right, So it almost seems like I'm back to die, right, versus maybe, you know, completing the arc and maybe making it so that he Maybe it's that he never truly reunites with the Discovery crew the way that he would want to. He's having to, you know, watch from a distance, possibly on another ship, right to help them through whatever they're they're going to do. There is part of me that kind of hopes that I'll forget the trailer before we see the next episode, because there were certain moments where you see and I won't say any thing because it's happening tomorrow, but certain characters interacting with other characters.

36:07 That makes it kind of like, oh, okay, so now I'm going to be waiting for those characters to interact in some way. And it might be a flashback, it might be you know, we get a Benjamin Cisco kind of treatment and there's you know, certain characters ascending to higher planes of existence or something like this. But I'll be very interested to see where it goes. I would I'd be willing to bet that Discovery is not even usable anymore at the end and we go onto a Discovery B which you know, in some kind of commemorative moment or something like that. But I do agree it does feel like we're gonna one of the crew members is going to lose their lives, and without doubt to see who it's going to be.

36:51 Ye, And that's it for this penultimate episode of Phasers. Set to Stunts look at Discovery Season five, episode nine, we'd like to open a channel to our listeners and hear what you thought about the most recent episode and the season in general. Who knows you might even get mentioned on a future show. Thank you David and Scott for joining me and the listeners for another fascinating discussion. Next episode, as we mentioned, is titled Life Itself, and we wrap up not only season five Discovery, but the series itself. Will this series end on a high note with a finale worth remembering or will we have another? These are the voyages we look forward to returning to the thirty second century one last time next week on Phaser's Set to Stunt