Stephen Herek - Rock Star

0:00 Okay, man, I don't get it, so explain it to me. What's the difference between a cover band and a tribute band. All right, well, that's it's pretty straightforward. But the difference mainly is most people that put the bands together start off as cover bands. They're usually doing like popular rock songs from the time, a lot of classic rock stuff, Zeppelin, you know, Rolling Stones, a lot of party songs that would be played, say at a reception, you know, at a party, something like that, and they kind of just play what's popular now. A tribute band focuses on one band. For instance, the Four Horsemen is a Metallica tribute band. We have the Iron Maidens, which is an Iron Maiden tribute band, and all Girl Maiden tribute band, the Fab four Beatles tribute band.

0:46 So their job is sometimes to look the part as well as just do that one band's songs Juliet like, sometimes even do a specific set list from a tour, things like that. Well, Dayton, if you're ready to stand up, stand up and shout, let's talk about a film by Stephen Herrick, his two thousand and one underrated rock classic rock Star. Hello everybody, and welcome back to a film by a podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson joining me today friend and rock connoisseur Dayton Johnson of the Docking Bay seventy seven podcast.

1:47 Hello, Dayton, let's rock and roll man. Man it is it's been a while since you've you've been over here on a film buy, so I'm happy to have you. It's been a minute. I saw, I saw you. I saw you brought a bag with you. You know, I kind of get the impression you're gonna be staying all week, so we'll get to that later. But yep, but yeah, you want to tell for the listeners, maybe maybe the first time listener, you want to tell them a little bit about doccing based seventy seven. Sure. Sure, Basically it's me as a host in kind of the brains behind everything. But I have a lot of friends You've been on there before, and I believe I've kind of pill for most of the people on your podcast, and we talk about anything from movies to music. We've done some comic book episodes, video games, you know, we even did some did a top seven list on our celebrity crushes things like that. So it's a lot of good people with a lot of differing opinions and which makes for a lot of fuscussions. So yeah, we like to hit some popular stuff as well as some things maybe you aren't familiar with. I love the show. I've loved the opportunity to be on there more times than a few. And hopefully I know the last time I was on there, I did not have a great opinion about a movie that you love. So oh that's all right, Still waiting, still waiting for a callback for for a future episode. But I guess we'll see.

3:09 Ohry, You'll come back, I promise, so Dayton. Rockstar is one of those movies I know. I know critically it was kind of mixed reviews, did not do well at the box office. I think this really flew into the radar for a lot of a lot of folks. You want to you want to tell the listeners what Rockstar is all about? Sure a thing. Chris is the Cole is the front man in the Steel Dragon tribute band in Pennsylvania known as Blood Pollution. After a huge blowout fight on stage, the other band members fire him. At the same time, his idol, Bobby Bears of Steel Dragon Quits Slash, gets fired from his own band, and guess what they need a replacement. Is Chris up for the challenge of stepping into those boots? Is he ready for the rock and roll lifestyle?

3:58 Loosely based on the actual event of ripper Owens joining heavy metal Icons Judas Priest after Rob Halford's So, yeah, that's that's the weird thing here this movie. It's kind of a true story. It's it's so this guy, Tim ripper Owens, he's he's a singer and a Judas Priest tribute band, and he's chosen to replace the front man, Rob Halford right when he when you know, Halford leaves the band. I remember this, Do you remember this happening? Yeah? Oh yeah, I remember thinking. Number one, how are they going to go on without Halford? Because let's be honest, Halford's voice is truly iconic, and you know, they, like I said, they're heavy metal icons, So moving forward without him seemed very unusual. I mean, you got to try and move forward. You got to pay the bills, you got to make the records. So I mean it's cool that somebody who you know, is from the middle of nowhere, who is not famous, got a chance. You know. It's like he got called up from the miners to the big leagues, you know what I mean. And so that's really cool. And I like the idea of taking that story and putting into a film, you know, So I'm interested. I was interested to watch it, and I had heard about it, and I remember thinking, you know, I'm not all excited when that change happened. And I remember not liking those that album very much, but you know what, that's okay. Yeah, So I mean I was always a casual priest fan, but I knew enough to know that Rob Halford leaving that's a big problem.

5:25 Yep. And if I did hear the next album after his departure, I don't remember it. So was it a situation, I mean, was it a situation where the guy had a very similar voice to Halford's or was he doing his own thing? No, he had a From what I remember, it's very similar. You know, he hit those screams, He can hit those notes. So it wasn't like when Maiden replaced Dickinson with Blaze Bailey, who does not sound You really can't hit the same ranges. So that was the thing. I mean. In being a tribute band, typically the idea is you can look in sound like the band for Modeled After and so yeah, from what I understand, Ripper could hit that. And by the way, his nickname Ripper comes from a song off of Sad Wings of Destiny from Judas Priest. How about that? Okay, this is I mean the story.

6:14 I love the story. I love the you know, the local kid makes good type of vibe. It's got going on, and I think it's cool that it's based off off a true story, but it's we've heard this story also. But you know with other bands like Didn't Didn't. Wasn't there a similar story that happened with Journey? Yeah, well yeah, when Steve Perry left, they they went out and found a guy. I think they was through auditions or whatever, but they found a guy who basically sounds just like Steve Perry, if you can believe that, because Steve Perry has such a fantastic voice. But yeah, you can find these people, but it's it's rare and usually when you find a new singer, this sound has to change. So yeah, they as far as I know, the guy that replaced Steve Perry wasn't famous. No, yeah, I thought I thought he was like like discovered in like a carry jokey bar if you know, or something like that. Right, But I'll tell you something. The second time I saw Journey, I remember telling my buddies I was like, halfway through the concert, I was like, damn, Steve Perry still has it and they were like, no, he doesn't. That's not Steve Perry. And then you know, you look closer and I was like, that is definitely not Steve Perry on stage, but it's it's Steve Perry's voice. So yeah, that is very very I love. I love stories like this. Let's talk. Let's talk a little bit about the cast and crew, because there are some deep cuts in this cast, and I know, I know there's some people in this cast that you absolutely love. So let's uh, we gotta start with Mark Wahlberg. He's he's playing Chris is he cole? Right?

7:44 So the role Dayton, who did the role originally go to So originally Brad Pitt actually signed on to play that part, And unfortunately, in my brain after seeing this movie, Brad Pitt would have been a much better choice. He would really yes, because I think he would have brought a lot of nuance and depth to the character that we don't get out of Walburg. Now, I enjoy Wahlberg, you know, and I he's one of those actors that, given the right director, can give you a very good performance. But without that leadership, he's going to give you the same thing he gives you the rest of the time. So wait, you're you say, and you're saying, you're saying his performance in rock Star is is more of the it's the pace. Yeah, it's there. I'm surprised you I'm surprised you see that man, because well you see him in The Fighter. There's a lot of emotion in there. There's a lot of feeling in that performance.

8:37 In this one not so much. You know, he's kind of he's he's he's really out of his element though. Man, I mean, like Mark Wahlberg playing a metal singer like that, I would never have have considered him. I agree, And I, like I said, had he been given the right director that understood the material or was one of those people that can get those great performances out of their talent, then I think it's fine. I mean, look, like I said, look specifically the Fighter. Look what he got out of that one. But you know, I don't hate the choice. It's just he hmm, he's not he's not as strong. Like we don't even get enough time with him before he joins, you know, still Dragon to really like him. In fact, he's kind of whiney and you know, he gets in that fight over like with his guitar players not playing it right, and it's like, dude, you're taking this way too serious and they they didn't give us enough time to like him.

9:33 And then he gets sucked up and into this lifestyle and you kind of like him for a minute and then he kind of, you know, spoiler, goes off the rail. Would it would it be fair to say, you know, you're if you're not too happy with this performance? Would would it be fair to say you got to put some of that responsibility on his acting coach, because you know who I'm talking about, don't you? Uh No, off the top of my head. So, while shooting The Perfect Storm, Wahlberg was immersing himself into the metal scene. He's going to concerts left and right. He's hanging out with as many people as he can. And one of those people that he hung out with a lot to learn the lifestyle was Motley Cruz Vince Neil. So well, I don't honestarily, you didn't know if you call that an acting coach drinking partner, but you said, you said, uh, you would have preferred Brad Pitt. Now he's married at the time, he's married to Jennifer Aniston, and she is in the role she's she's playing Emily, the band manager, you know, Izzy's girlfriend.

10:41 I'm gonna go ahead and say it, this is probably my favorite Jennifer Aniston performance, maybe next to like something like Horrible Bosses, because she's not Rachel in this movie at all. Did you like? Did you? Did you you like Jennifernson in this right? She was okay, she was okay. She had the best line, you know, she said, I'm a businesswoman and I know to follow the talent and all the talent this band just walked out the door. That was a great line. And she's delibered very well. She did. I just I don't like I said I. I don't necessarily think she was the wrong choice. But you know, going back through Harrick's filmography, you can see that if he if he has strong actors in the roles, the movies turned out little bit better. Because I don't I don't see him very much as an actor's director, you know what I mean, Like, he's not Asporsese. He he's not He's not going to push these people to give them these great performances. She's fine, she's fine.

11:35 She's not great. You know, I've seen her and better, you know, but what's but what's better? Like something like The Good Girl. Yeah, that was pretty good. I think there was. I mean, the Horrible Bosses. She was just that was just a psychopath. She was definitely not playing Rachel in that one. What's the one? She's the one, wasn't that with uh Edward Oliver Burns? Yeah? Ed Burns? Yeah, Yeah, that was good. It was a good mat you know, because it wasn't it wasn't Rachel. It was just different enough for us to not look at her and go, hey, she's on friends, you know what I mean? Mm hmm. I just I appreciate that she's not the like the groupie, the rock star groupie girlfriend. She's smart, she's strong, she runs the show with with blood pollution, right, and and she she you know, she sticks with Chris until his you know, you know, life of debauchery when he's still dragging, and she's strong enough and smart enough to know like I'm better, I deserve better than I'm leaving. So yep, I like Dannoson all so the character. I didn't have a problem with the character, and she wasn't bad. I just think there could be better choices or like I said, Harrok could have I think, given her more to work with. I don't know. Let's talk now. He's that He's only in the movie, I'd say, briefly, how about how about Timothy Olafant. He's playing Rob, the lead guitarist for Blood Pollution. I mean, I Love Again not a typical Timothy Elephant movie. Well, if you go back and you look, he's done a lot of different things,

13:07 man, I mean he was even at one point he was uh he was in Practical Magic for a blink of an eye and was fired and then he went on to go be in the Go, which which is fantastic. Yes it is. You guys covered that one, didn't you? We did. It was one of our Patreon episodes. That's right. But yeah, so he he does. I mean people think of him from a oh what's the show on FX? My brain's gone? He's the Marshall Justified thank you. Yeah, so that's a you know, people think of him in that a lot. So yeah, it's definitely different than that, for sure. Uh. He was good, you know. I enjoyed him on the screen. He made the best of the few scenes he had. But I got admit, that was a terrible wig. There's a lot of terrible wigs though, a lot of terrible wigs in Rockstar. Yeah, it was bad, all right. So you're digging Timothy Elephant, how about how about the other Timothy we got? We got Timothy's spall. He's playing Matt's, the Steel Dragons manager. He's he's even creepier in this than he was in the Harry Potter movies. Matt's is creeper than Wormtail. Oh yeah, absolutely, Well, yeah, I can't defend him. I can't. No, I won't defend him. I'm thinking about the p pass and yeah, he's he's a creep.

14:24 Yeah he was. It was definitely interesting, very colorful character, you know, And and he didn't have to try very hard, you know what I mean, to make his to be interesting. He just was playing that character and he did a great job. Yeah. I I honestly, I'm a I'm a small fan. You don't see a lot of him, a lot of him, you know, in big Hollywood movies. But when he's there, he's memorable. I think, oh yeah, I'll tell you what I feel is memorable. Let's let's talk about the lineup for Steel Dragon. Yes, please, because I because I'm you know, we'll talk about the lead. We'll talk about the rhythm guitarist, Dominic West. He's playing Kirk. You know, obviously I quickly recognized him from three hundred. You know, he played Jigsaw and Punish Your war Zone, right. I know he's done a lot of television, but I think he's fantastic in this film.

15:11 Yeah, he's pretty good. You know. I like, I said, the the Whigs were distracting me, so I had to kind of kind of look past those. But yeah, no, uh, he definitely he had the rock star attitude when he needed it. Uh, he could be you know when he had that kind of dressing down of Izzy when he told him about you know, he tried Izzy. He pried to bring those songs to him. Hey, I wrote some songs he's looking at because he's like, uh, you know, I write, I write the songs along with no Ac or whatever, and it's like, you know, you just sing the lyrics, and I'm just like, WHOA, that was cold. Were you getting a real Lars Ulric vibe from from his performance? Surprisingly? No, No, like he's controlling the band. He's like he I write the songs.

15:54 You just so no, because Lars doesn't control the James controls the band. Okay, well, James and Larzo. Like if you've seen the documentaries, you know, I know you're a Metallica fan like I am. So it's it's kind of like they run those two run the show, and I you know, and I kind of I kind of see that. Yeah, it's like it's it's marriage of the two. Yes, yeah, it's you know in this it's Still Dragon. It's it's Kirk and Ac. They write the songs, they get all the producing credit, and everyone else just you show up and play your part. So, I don't know, I liked it, Dayton, tell tell the listeners who is on who's on lead guitar for Still Dragon Guy? Guy character's name is God Yeah, but we know him quite well, don't we. So it actually took me a little time because I'm watching them doing their stage performance and I'm like, I know that stance, I know that head swing and I'm like, but he was clean shave, and that threw me off. Yeah, Mike, who are we talking about? Who were talking about? It's Zach Wilde, Man, it's Zach wild Zach freaking Wild Ozzy Osbourne label Society. And I'm glad that you said that, because the first couple of times I watched this film over the years, I always like the first time, I was like, man, that guy that looks familiar. And then maybe the second or third time I watched it, I was like, this guy is doing his best Zach Wilde impersonation, and then you come to find it is Zach wild he just but that his his iconic beard is gone in this movie. He is clean shaven.

17:23 Yeah. I was halfway through the movie before I was like, I have to look that up. I know who that is that It was driving me nuts. Yeah, it's just it's well, you know the well you know, it's just like that stance. You cannot you can't see that stance if you're if you're a metal fan, right, you know it And I don't know. I love the fact that, you know, I'll go ahead and say this, I love the fact that we we have some huge names like we got some rock rolty happening when they could have just had anyone play these parts. But I love the fact that Steel Dragon is pretty much just like a super band. Uh, you got Zach Wilde on lead guitar. Yep, you want to tell us about Uh who's playing bass? So that took me a little bit longer to recognize him, But Uh, it's Jeff Pilson from Docin Yeah. He started with Dowkin, right, and he's he's with Foreigner now, am I right about that? Or yeah, okay he did yep, yep, he's touring with them now, that's correct. Yeah, and again, like you're watching, like, I think one of the things I'll go ahead say this too. One of the things I like about this movie is when they are performing on stage, it looks real because these are these are real musicians, These are real rock stars that know how to play, know how to work the crowd, know how to move around the stage. So I think it's fantastic. I absolutely love who they chose to play the drummer. Ac Now, that one took me a while because he is wearing a wig and it's been a long time since I've seen him with hair. So it took me a while and I had to look that up.

18:53 So, you know, I'm not too proud of myself. But it's Jason Bonham, you know, John Bonham's son, so who's done a lot, who who's done a lot of touring and with other bands and stuff. But yeah, that was that was like, wait a minute, no, wonder they look like they know what they're doing. If have you seen have you seen Jason Bonham in concert Dayton? No? Not not no, not in person. He's over the over the last you know, I don't know, five ten years he's been doing Jason Bonham's Led Zeppelin experience. Yes, I did see that. It is I've seen I've seen him three times now and it's it's a hot ticket. Man. He is fantastic. The last time I saw him he was with Heart. Uh. And then you know they you know Heart, if you if you've seen Heart and concert, you know they they love to cover led Zeppelin to Ye. He comes out, he plays with them, then they come out, they play with him the same. It's it's a fantastic show. So I would strongly recommend it.

19:48 I'd recommend seeing any of these guys. You know, one other person I want to I want to point out, let's talk about the writer on this film. It's John Stockwell. Yeah, that kind of I had I recognized that, but I had look it up. I'm like, wait a minute, it's he was in Top Gun, he was in Christie. This is JO. So for those that don't know John Stockwell is, he's famous for his role as Cougar and Top Gun. He was in John Carpenter's Christine. He's in one of my favorite eighties sci fi films, My Science Project. Oh yeah, that's right, I remember that one. I'd love to cover that one at some point. I'll find a way because that movie's fantastic. But it's just odd that Stockwell is chosen by Warner Brothers to write this script because he's not like a prolific screenwriter. He's you know, yeah, I mean, I mean I looked him up. He doesn't really have much of a a history of writing, so yeah, I know he's directed some stuff after, you know, even after this, but yeah, I honestly that was kind of a surprise. I know they brought in I can't remember their name, but I know they brought in somebody else to kind of help with the script after the fact. But uh yeah, it's still a surprise, still a surprise, I thought. So I'll tell you what, Dan, Let's let's take a quick break, and when we get back, we'll talk a little bit about how this movie came to be. Welcome back. We've got Dayton Johnson from the Docking Base seventy seven podcast with us, and we are talking about Steven Herrick's rock star. Dayton. You mentioned Tim Ripper Owens earlier, so he sells his story to The New York Times in nineteen ninety

21:19 seven. Hollywood comes calling to option the film rights. Warner Brothers wins the bidding. War Stockwell, you know, they hire Stockwell, we were just thought we were talking about him before the break. He's doing his research because he's not really immersed in hair metal culture, and his research takes him to Akron, Ohio of all places, right, I saw that. Yeah, what what's what's the what's what's an Akron, Ohio? Well, I can tell you, Uh, Tim Ripper Owens owns owns a bar in Akron, Ohio. He absolutely does. He. You know, hey, let's go straight to the source, right, Uh, I got I'd love to go to We need to go to Akron and see this bar sounds like a rota uh, and that either'd be a fun road trip. And if you're wondering what kind of bart is, you guessed it. He features tribute bands.

22:06 So that's got to be a great night, well day, and we're going to look into that, and you know, let's call let's call it Scott Hoffin and John Wright and let's let's let's make a trip. I think you know you were talking about this earlier. It's intended to be a biopic sort of like a documentary style about Judas Priest called metal God and that was apparently that was that's Rob Halford's nickname. You know, members of the band were involved for a little bit. Uh. They were offering personal stories, but you know they're scheduling conflicts. Ultimately they leave the project and that's when we start I think. I think that's when Stockwell starts making it more of an original story. That's that's partly based on Priest. Back to Wahlberg, who is not impressing you. He spends five he spends five months growing his hair out. That's his real hair's working with a vote. Yes, here's here's the thing though, he's working over those five months, he's working with a vocal coach. Yet he doesn't perform like any of the music. He's not singing any of these songs. So the fact is, though, you still need to be able to look like you're doing it. You know, there is a certain way you have to breathe when you're singing, especially when you're screaming like that, And so I get it. It's kind of plays to him looking believable because if you're surrounding him and you know, an actor around actual musicians, he needs to be able to look like he belongs there.

23:32 So that makes sense to me. Well, let's let's jump into the soundtrack a little bit, because, like as we said, he's not doing the singing. And I this this soundtrack is just awesome. Can you can you give me that at least there are some good songs on the soundtrack. Okay, And I'm talking to about I'm talking. I'm not just talking still dragging. I'm talking like the various artists. This is a good various artist type of soundtrack. I think it is. It is. I will say that they have some really good songs on here, all right, So not featured on the actual soundtrack, but heard in the movie. You got tracks from a CDC culture club, a couple songs from def Leppard, fog Hat, Frankie goes to Hollywood talking heads. I mean, it's this movie is packed with good music as far as I'm concerned. Now, as far as the actual soundtrack goes, We've got We've got Motley Cruz Wildside, which I remember that scene, and this is kind of where he is. He's in the band, he's kind of living the rock star life, right. They're they're trashing hotel rooms, he's starting to do drugs, he's messing around with the girls. Perfect perfect song, I think for that scene. Yeah, that's probably. I know they also earlier on used rock Star from Everclear, so that one made sense too. But my problem is, a apart from those few, it seems like a lot of the songs that were chosen were just

25:03 picked because, Hey, we got the rights to Deaf Leopard songs, let's put him in there, and we got to write you know, we got the rights to lick it up from Kiss, so let's just stick it in there. And yeah, but I'll be calling on okay, so maybe with Deaf Leopard I'll I'll give you, I'll give you Deaf Leopard, but Lick It Up is kind of perfectly timed with the with the with the dialogue. Come on, dude, I mean, we're we're We're not a I'm trying not to keep turning this on a ratedar episode, but he's there, they're speaking specifically about something, yeah, you know, and then Lick it Up with that that just that I don't know. I thought that was that was a good time that I kept getting kind of bipolar disorder. It's like, you go from these songs that are cool and but they just didn't seem to fit, and then you go to that club and that's when you hear talking Heads's where you hear in excess, which makes sense because they're in a dance club. But to me, a soundtrack should be more than just hey, we got cool songs, you know what I mean. On your podcast, I talked about the soundtrack to stand By Me. It was literally a character in the move, you know. I mean, the songs were chosen for certain moods to reflect what's going on in the scene. Same thing with Fast Times Origemal High. There are those songs that are chosen fit so well with the scenes. To me, I kind of feel like this one they only got it right like maybe thirty percent of the time. And then there's a there's a couple of times where like they do this montages, which are great, we all love eighties montages, but of course this is two thousand and one. But either way, the problem was they're doing this montage to def

26:37 Leppard, and part of that montage is then one stage, so it it looked like they were playing deaf Leppard song. So okay, My thing is, it's been done better before. And this is spinal Tap a great example of when to use certain songs, right fictional band, so why not? And then that thing you do is another great example of when to use certain songs that further the story. This to me just sounds like, hey, we got all these great songs, let's just put them in here. And I mean, like I said, there's great songs in there, but they just don't seem to help tell the story or you know, or help us with the mood at the time. I mean, they do occasionally, like you mentioned those couple, but in general, it's just kind of like, yeah, here's another cool song. All right, I'll tell you what, so, top Gun, what do you think about when you hear Danger Zone?

27:30 It goes instantly to that, to that movie, right, because yeah, absolutely you can picture those scenes with these songs. Not so much. Every time I hear American Girl from Tom Petty, I think of the first day in school at Fast Times originally high when they're walking into school and you're following Jennifer Jason Lee's character. That's what you think of. Absolutely, I think of that poor girl. I think of that poor girl in Silence of the Lambs. As soon as I hear American Girl, I'm thinking about Buffalo Bill and I turned the channel. I mean, I love Petty. I love that song. Jeff, I bet, I bet I'm not the only one listeners. What do you Which movie do you think of when you hear Tom Petty's American Girl? Is it Fast Times or is it Silence of the Lambs. Let's let's settle this, uh, you know, reach out to us and let us know. But I'll tell you what, Daton, I will concede that to your point, there's a lot of there's a lot of songs. It's like, hey, we we had the money, let's we already bought the song, so let's jam it in there, or we still have the rights, let's just jam it in there. But I think Lick It Up was wash was properly placed in a in a humorous way. I think Wildside definitely fit the scene that you hear it. And I'll end on this one Stranglehold by Ted Nugent. I think that scene that that is a hot scene, man, Like they're in the club. It's like after the first concert. There's I mean, it's like a George Michael video, you know, George Michael beats Madonna video, Like everyone's writhing around and slinky and just yeah. But I you wouldn't you wouldn't think stranglehold. And if I'm

29:02 not mistaken, this is like the second time or maybe it's the first time he does it, but this is like, I know, We've got two Mark Wahlberg movies that have him in a montage moment to stranglehold. It's this one, and then in the football movie Philadelphia Eagles movie, he did Invincible, right, Okay, I think I think Invincible, Well, that came out a couple of years after this one. So remember that him and his but he comes home and him and his buddies are playing like backyard football. Yeah at night with the headlights. He probably just cut his hair just a little bit for that one, because you know he starts shaggy hair in that one exactly. Yeah, well, I don't know, so, you know, I'm kind of surprised. I thought you'd be really really big on this, on this uh this soundtrack. Let's talk. We gotta talk about good songs on there, but they're just not used properly, you know. Let's talk. Okay, well, let's talk about the let's talking about the still Dragon songs. I like those. They're great, right, yes, they are there should have been, all right, Did you have a favorite?

30:08 I mean, let me you know you have, you got, you got blood Pollution, you got stand Up and Shout, Wasted Generation. I like stand Up and Shout. I think stand Up and Shouts probably the best one, right, because that's the one they that's the one they open the show, like when they show him at the concert for the first time. Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. Okay, yeah, And that's my thing. It's like, anytime they're on stage, we should have heard nothing but their songs, you know what I mean. And that's a that's a fair it's a nitpick, but it's it's a fair nitpick, I think. Yeah, but it's about that band and that If it's about him and that in his favorite band, then there just should have been more of their songs. All right, what about the ballad We All Die Young? Because we hear that, We hear them sing that on stage a couple of times.

30:53 Yeah. Like I said, all that, I enjoyed all theirs, all the ones, all the originals, I mean, mostly because you have real musicians in there, guys the band playing on the songs, and you know you had real uh you know, you have Jeff Scott Soto doing some of the vocals, who was within Bay Malmstein and and uh some other bands, so he's been around for a while. Well he was also Transfiberian Orchestra, So that guy, you know, real vocalist. You have the lead singer from Third Eye Blind who shows up as the other tribute band from Pennsylvania. What are they called, Black Babylon, Black Babylon. Yeah, yeah, and he's when it takes over for uh, for Izzy when he gets kicked out of the band. So, which I thought was an interesting choice that he would be picked. Yeah, and we we got some other we got some other interesting cameos here, right from real rock stars. Yeah you have.

31:42 Well you also got uh c uh blase alias from Slaughter, who was one of the drummers of the band. You actually have another Black Label Society member uh uh Nick Kennanese. He was uh in the guitar player for Blood Pollution as well. And then the guy that takes over for Chris when he gets kicked out of Blood Pollution is Stephen Jenkins of Third Eye Blind. Oh okay, well, I see, I didn't know. I didn't. I didn't see those, but I know you're you're more the You're more the music expert. But I did when I started seeing there. When I started looking at his face, I'm like, going, wait, that hair doesn't seem right, and I had to look it up and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's who that is. So I'll tell you who I did. I tell you who I did recognize though. At the end of the movie, the kid in the front row who is basically doing to Izzy what is he did to Bobby Miles Kennedy, who uh you know is with slash Oh right right, right? Okay, yeah, and yeah, he was an alter Bridge as well. Alter Bridge Yeah, alter Bridge. Yeah. I love yeah this. I just feel like this movie if you're if you're a fan of metal, if you're a fan of rock, like this is a fun one just for the Easter eggs, just to like try and find find the real guys and and uh seek him out. Well, how about the women in the how about the wives in the in the limo? There were okay, so well, okay, so I know you got you got Rachel Hunter in there. Who I think it was kind of funny that she's in there playing one of the wives because you know, she was married to uh

33:12 Rod Stewart Stuart, but she was also dating Kip Winger during this Rachel Hunter dated Kip Winger. Yep. Now let's see, we're not done yet. I mean, she's not seventeen, so that's interesting, she's not. Thank god. You what the other wives in the car were. I didn't recognize any of them. One of them was longtime girlfriend to Eric Carr, the drummer from Kiss who passed away. Okay, and Heidi Mark, who is Kirk's wife, was married to Vince Neil of Motley Crue had been you know, had me okay. And then Carrie Stevens, who was Goade's wife, was a longtime girlfriend of Kiss drummer Eric Carr, So all three of them in there were actually somehow related or tied to famous rock stars. You got, you get? I'll give Harerrik credit for going going like that's that's pretty good. I would never expect I just would have figured that these are I mean, I yeah again, you you know who Rachel Hunter is because she's one of the most famous supermodels of all time. But the rest of the car I just would have figured that's, hey, you know, we're auditioning the movie and what do you got. But the fact that he's got real rock star wives girlfriends in that scene that I don't know. I dig that.

34:20 Man, that's pretty cool. I know you like the scenes, the montage you mentioned the montage scenes. I love a good montage scene, and I love ones like this because every time I watch this movie, the montage is where the stage is getting put together, right, always takes me back to Metallica's video for Wherever I May Room. Yes, I love seeing that like that, that sped up time laps montage of the set being put together. Those are awesome. What you any other scenes in here that the you got to kick out of or did you have a problem with any of the scenes. Uh So, the fight the parking lot after the first concert between the two tribute bands was uh, it was It was okay, But my biggest issue was, Look, I've been I'm sure you have to. I've been to a lot of metal shows, okay, and typically when you go to a metal show, you're wearing a T shirt and jeans. You know, some people wear leather, some people got the load jackets. But these guys are all dressed like they're going on stage. And I'm like, yeah, that seemed a little cheesy to me. And yeah, the scene's cartoony, but I think it's very you need you need them dressed up, well, you need it because it it's cartoony. But it's a fun scene when you watch, because it's I love that when he pulls back the you know, when the camera pulls back and you see that the drummer is fighting the drummer and you know, like they have matched up, and it's just it's

35:51 fun to watch, and it's I don't have a problem with the scene itself. I I just I'm watching this whole movie, and I just got the feeling that Harrik and even the writer Rock Stockwell just did not understand or take the subject matter seriously. It was it was filled with cliches. It was filled. It was more of a cliche than this is spinal tap was. And that really got under my skin. You know, It's just it's like that's why, like, you know, for years how much put movies didn't work because it didn't take the subject matter seriously. You know, it doesn't you know, just because it's about a rock band doesn't mean you have to insert every single cliche imaginable. And it just and then there they're the scene that definitely stuck out. It was after they go to the club and they all get wasted and they wake up in the hotel room and their waces like laying around all naked and everything. Yeah, Anderson gets up and sneaks out, and then you know, wallbarg gets up and he goes to the bathroom and was it Tanya is standing there taking I don't know, I've seen this movie five or six times and I still don't know what's going on. There's no point to that, there is no It was for shock value only there's no point to that. It's just like because I was like, okay, what would you say is the pivotal moment in this film for Oh, that's easy, that's easy. That's easy. The first show when he falls in

37:22 the stairs. You know, he has all the nerves, he has all the nerves, and he you know, he's going down. He's he's he you know, because he built up. He's like, I'm gonna throw up. I'm gonna throw it. And he gets up there and he's like, all right, I got this. He goes up and he's walking down being all cool, and he slips and he falls and you're thinking, where is this going now? Is he is? Are they getting into this fast? Are they gonna totally screw him? As you know? Does he need another show to win over the fans? But no, dude gets up, blood pouring down his head. Oh like he's in a still cage match. Yeah, it's awesome, great, you know, and and uh yeah, I really it was well put together. There was a good amount of emotion.

38:02 There was you know, you're slow motion was used. Well, nah, that was that scene stuck out of my head and very impactful, very well done. So that's mine that scene. So they're shooting that scene in front of ten thousand people at Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena, and when that happens, the crowd goes silent because they just realize Mark Wahlberg has been seriously injured. Right, But then he gets up and then they're like, oh wait, this is part of the movie. So after like several takes later, they're just they're still screaming and going nuts and crazy. They filmed the concert footage for this movie before an actual concert. Yep and Dayton, we've seen them plenty of times talking about Metallica, YEP, fantastic. Could you imagine could you imagine like all the shows that we've been to, could you imagine like, hey, you know, show starts at seven, but show up at twelve. If you want to be a in this movie, we need we need we need some more concert movies, man, like some more rock star movies, because you know I want that that experience. Yes, I do too. I'll tell you. I think the pivotal moment in this movie is is before that one when he's auditioning and Bobby comes out and we learned the truth about why Chris is there I love the performance there because Bobby is he's emotional, but he's also explaining to Chris, like, you know, you think you can do what I do, but it's not all about sex,

39:35 drugs and rock and roll, like I'm in bed by eleven thirty every night. I don't take drugs, I never have and sex. You got that all wrong because you know he's a homosexual. You know, the band has said, hey, that's not about Judas Priest and Rob Halford, but you got to wonder, like, because I don't know what Halford's reasons for leaving Judis priests word, but we do know that that was very similar situation, right, yeah, yeah, And see I kind of like that. It seemed I kind of don't because here we are supposed to react to this announcement, and I do, like I like the rehearsal afterwards. I think that's great. You know, he shows the pressure that he's under and everything, but the reveal is almost like a throwaway because we don't hear about it again, you know, they we don't get enough how kind of put this.

40:23 Bobby is the frontman, he's the lead singer, and to me, it just seemed like there should have been more than just that. So my question is is he quitting because he's gay? Do they kick him out because he's gay? We just they never say one way or the other because the band says that it is never about that. I'm like, well, then what's it about? And I agree he's looking at I'm like, and when you can't do what I do, and that's fair, you know. And I totally buy that because it didn't work with Ripper either, so that's proof. Yeah. But you know, like Bobby was like, hey, you know, this is this is what you knows. He's accusing the band of letting him go because because of because of the fact, because of the fact that he's gay. But then Kirks quick to point out, like, you know, I don't I don't care who you're you know, I forget what he what the buggering? You know? Yeah, He's like, I don't care who you're Yeah, they're all English guys. I don't care who you're buggering. Man, It's the fact is like, you missed half the tour dates last last summer and you never show up for rehearsal and you you know, so he starts throwing in all these the issues that they have with him, So you kind of wonder like, is is it there, Is it that that they're having a problem with his with his choices, or is it that maybe he's just like becoming more of a prima donna, because you know, we see this a lot of times in rock bands. The front man becomes like, Hey, I'm the I'm what people were coming to see.

41:44 I you know, no one can do what I do. I mean Axl Rose, David Lee Roth, let's go. Well, list goes on and on. Man, Yeah, I don't know, but I love the scene because it's almost like a prelude to what is gonna happen to Chris, And it's kind of it's kind of like, you know, Bobby's giving him this one shot just to let him know, like you know it's happening to me, it will happen to you, and you know it just it can't be. It can't be you know, avoided. So yeah, I mean see it that way, I get that. So yeah, I I I guess I wasn't looking at it that way, but yeah, that makes a lot more sense. I'm gonna ask you one more question. We're gonna take another break, but before we do I'm gonna ask you a question back to back to one of the fun montage moments, Dayton. In your opinion, who wins the drag race between Magnum p I's Ferrari and the sixty six Batmobile.

42:37 Ah, if I'm driving the Ferrari, wins. Okay, Interesting? Interesting? All right, Well we'll be right back. We're gonna talk a little bit about Stephen Herrick's filmography. We're back, I'm dating on about you. I'm ready to talk about Harrick's filmography. But before we start, I'll give you give you a little tidbit about Herrick and a quote, and I'll tell you something. There is next to nothing about this guy online when you're doing I almost had a higher detective to learn more about him. But I will tell you that after college he started working as a production assistant for Roger Corman, who we recently lost. But h and that kind of makes sense as far as like what his move where he starts his career with his with his his his directorial debut. But before we talk about that one, I will tell you this was This was a quote I found. He was talking about the business as it is and he said, quote, I don't want to work for big studios. I'm not in the business for that, Nor do I see myself as a real director like Woody Allen. My major talent, I think is to keep all lines of communication open in my movies. I want to have fun doing this job, and I try to put that across.

44:04 So sounds like he's the director you want to work for, Like he's not going to be like a terror on set, but yeah, a real director like what doy Allen? What Ady Allen's garbage? So well, it depends on when that quote was said. Think about that, if it was before everything kind of fell off. I mean, I'm sorry. I love a good Woody element. I mean I really do. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you're sorry. I hate what he well, yeah, for many reasons, but we won't go there. But uh right, all right, day, I tell you, it sounds like he's a fun guy. And yeah, this sounds like he's he's fun to work with, is what it sounds like. At the same time, you know, well, when we go through this movie's bool, it'll make my point. All right, Well, let's talk. Let's talk about his directory debut. We covered it very early in our Limited Series nineteen eighty six, yep. Talking about Critters starring d Wallace. Absolutely love this film. It's a it's a whether you want to call it a fun be horror film or a guilty pleasure movie, Critters is very enjoyable and I would you know, we covered it Scott David and myself. Please go back check out our Critters episode. It was definitely a fun time. Billy zay on one of my favorite billies in Hollywood. Billy z Ain's in it. Dating your thoughts on Critters? Do you ever catch that one? I haven't seen it since the eighties, And it was like, Okay, that's fine, I've seen it. I'll move on now.

45:30 I don't know, but it was not. It wasn't one of those that I was like, God, I gotta watch that again. Well, you know, we it. It came in a collection like there was like there was Critters. It was Grimlins Ghoolies, right, you know, the mini monster subgenre and horror was alive and well for the eighties, and I you know, outside of Grimlins, Critters is definitely my favorite. Now. I know you've seen his next film nineteen eighty nine, he does Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. Yes, I saw it three times in twenty four hours at the theater, three times in twenty four hours, Holy Cat twice in one night, So you would say that this is a most excellent film. With Harrik's catalog, it's a lot of fun. It's it's ridiculous, it's silly and uh, but it's so much fun. It's a fun movie, no, no doubt. I always liked the fact when you when Alex Winter who who played a who played a Bill, He always talks like when he's doing like cons and stuff like that. He he gives a story that he always gets letters from teachers and half of them are positive because it's history teachers encourage, you know, they're happy that he has encouraged students to learn more about history. And then there's negative ones from English teachers. He says for affecting the way kids speak. You know, I think that's kind of fun.

46:52 He's a good guy. And just think that we've only had a couple different Keanu Reaves before Bill and Ted. So I know there's a Keanu Reeves movie that you're a big fan of, and he did it before Bill and Ted. I'm talking about nineteen eighty six, River's Edge, Yeah, River's Edge. Yeah, it's it's a dark movie. Man, it's a movie. It is dark, you're au. We got to add that. We got a couple more slots left for our lost episodes of eighty six on our Patreon. I think I think we should cover that, man, Yeah, we could do that. It. Like I said, it's a dark, dark movie. Hiller soundtrack, but yeah, it's it's a dark film. All right, that's that's happening. We're definitely doing that. Let's talk about his next film, because if you loved Bill and Ted in nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety one, he gives us Don't Tell Mom the Babysitters Dead with Christina Applegate. You're shaking your head or what are you doing? Are you shaking your head because you don't like Don't Tell Mom the Babysitters Dead? Yeah?

47:55 Okay, So I remember watching it once back in the eighties, you know, or early nineties, and then my wife and I watched it again recently and I I just don't get it. I don't find it funny. You don't get it. It's not funny, it's it's hilarious. It's not either it's not what is wrong with you? Man, I can't believe. There's a lot of things wrong with me, but I gotta admit I I just don't think it's all that funny. Didn't they like his her her brother, the brother character Kenny. Didn't they base Didn't they base him off of you? Yeah? I almost, I'm most sure of that. I never shot all the dishes. Nobody can move that, man, diston, don't tell mom, I don't. I don't want to hear that Metallica breath. That's that's terrible. Man. I'm shocked. I'm absolutely shocked. I have on people. All right, Well, this is a this is a this is a point in his career where he he kind of joins the Disney family.

48:52 Yep, I know you know. Rumor has it you're a fan of Disney, all things Disney. Yes, just a little bit ninety two. He does the Mighty Ducks. It's a fun movie. It's just a fun guy. Of course, it's a fun movie. You know, it's I never did you ever see the the series that they did? No, I did. I wanted to, but it's just, you know, added to the list of things I don't have time to watch. Yeah, I kind of you know, I mean that says is great in The Mighty Ducks. I like it, you know, Joshua Jackson. I kind of outgrew it though, I thought, you know, by the time the sequels were rolling out, I wasn't really interested interested. How about nineteen ninety three, he's you know, now he's still in his Disney run here yep. Three Musketeers another one. A lot of fun and that honestly, that movie is good because who's in it, you know, Charlie Sheen, Keifer Solin, Chris O'Donnell, Oh yeah, Oliver Platte, oh ol Tim Curry, Tim Curry, and then what's his name from? Oh, from the Crow and he has that that awesome voice. He's the bad guy in the crub Michael Wincott, thank you. Yeah, he's he's he's I mean, like said, that movie is stacked with people. And that is the reason it's it's fun to watch is because would you say, would you say, is maybe maybe it's not the best Three Musketeers film, but maybe the most fun. Yeah, I agree with that, all right. I'll tell you I absolutely love what he does in nineteen ninety five. It's one of my I you know what,

50:23 it might be my favorite Stephen Herrick film about mister Holland's Opus. I'm embarrassed to say I have not seen it. That shocks me. Yeah, it shocks a lot of people. It's I've seen parts of it. I I like back in the day with you know when stuff we come on cable and she's gonna watch it. I always caught like towards the end, and I didn't want to ruin it, so I would always say, I'm gonna watch it. I want to watch it from the beginning, and I just never got around to watching it. So yeah, if there was not, if there was, if there was ever a film that I think you would absolutely adore, it's It's mister Holland's Opus. I'm not really shocked, man, I can't believe that. Is there anything I could like? Can I petition docum Bay seventy seven to do an episode about mister Hollins Opus just to force you to watch it? Patren, remember, go ahead, all r Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna get I'm gonna put that out there on Patreon on the dockum bay Patreon. Just hey, everyone, you know sign this petition, mister Hollins Opus is next, Like, if you don't love that film, I'll be shocked. Oh, absolutely be shocked. Would you think about his live action version of One and Dominations in nineteen ninety six, it was okay, I mean, I love Glenn Close, but I cannot it's not the animated one. Man. It's just I wasn't. I kind of have issue with Disney in them because they were really bad about it in recent years making their classic animated films in the live action, and I'm kind of tired of it now. I will say their live action Beauty in the Beast was very good. I'm not gonna say it wasn't. Their version

51:55 of Cinderella was good, but at some point you just need to stop. And this was kind of like, but why and I And it's kind of like, I don't know, it's it's it's definitely something I only watched once. I'm with you. I I have not liked any of the live action retreads that they're doing with their catalog, with exception, uh, one of one of the episodes that you invited me on Document seventy seven. We talked about the Black Cauldron. That's screaming for a live action film or a limited series like on Disney. Plus I would I would absolutely love that. And then I had a kind I had. I had a fun conversation with Andrew Blakely on our Patreon Uh not just just recently. Actually we we did one of our our ten for two. You know, we're gonna take ten minutes to talk about two minutes of a movie, and uh, he wanted to talk about a scene and up, and I had a you know, I had a great idea for you know, who could play live action characters in that. But you know, gotta Patreon for that. Because we're talking about Stephen Harrick right now. So we've been talking about rock Star. This was kind of like his comeback film. You know, he's he's doing a good job with Disney. But then in ninety eight he did a Holy Man with Eddie Murphy and I know he saw it, and I'm sure Eddie Murphy saw it, but I don't know if anyone else saw it. Yeah. Yeah,

53:30 from this point on at his filmography, I gotta be honest, there's only one of these things I've seen and I have Yeah, Well, let's be fair, because like Holy Man, really brought his career kind of like to a screeching halt. He took took a few years off to get centered. He brings out rock Star, which you know, I'll tell you right now, I think it's a great film. It's very underrated, but it did not do good at the box office. Got smashed, you know, it lost a lot of money. Actually, a year later he did Life or something like it, and it it did worse. Uh. That's that Angelina Julie movie. She's like, she's like a reporter with like with like the Hillary Clinton haircut, and yeah, no one saw it, no one, no one, No one wanted that. So and this, you know, this is sad though, because this is kind of like after that one that was kind of like now now the nailed the coffin for him in Hollywood.

54:27 So he's you know, the rest of his career is mostly television work and some directive video type stuff, you know. I mean he's doing sequels on like you know, like direct to video sequels of movies that you can say are good, but you know it's like, hey, let's do a sequel with different people just trading on the name of the of the of the title yeah. See, the one of these I've seen was Dead Like Me Life After Death. Now, if you have not seen this series Dead Like Me, oh that's fantastic. Oh my god, it's great. It is so good. And this was it just was not. He messed up the characters, the story made no sense, and just like, I'd much rather you just not have done anything. Yeah, you know, he and some of the TV stuff. You know, he was on some pretty big name TV shows. But twenty twenty three, just last year, he did a Netflix original film called Dog Gone Rob Low. Did you catch that? I have not, all right. I mean, I'm a Rob Low fan, so i'd like to see it. You know, I had an argument with Netflix, say six months ago, so I haven't had Netflix since then.

55:43 So you know, I'm thinking about, you know, rebuilding that bridge at some point. But I'll check out Dog Gone when when I can. Let's talk about what's next for him. Yep, So he's he's in post production on a film called Little Secret that's supposed to come out this year. Two resentful exes must awkwardly spend Christmas together after learning their new partners are siblings. I'll go ahead and say that is a fun you know, all we've seen every kind of goofy situation happen in a Christmas movie, but it's starring Chris Parnell, so I'm already like, okay him and Kristin chennaw so this this could be fun. Yeah, that could be interesting. They could be that could be interesting. All right. Well, let's talk about what he's in pre production on right now, film called The Boy at the Back of the Class. This is based on the best selling novel by a Jolly Roth.

56:45 Boy at the Back of the Class is an adventure field drama about friendship, family, and the refugee crisis. Freda Pinto, Jason Isaacs, and Vanessa Redgrave. There is not a bad name mentioned right there, so this one could be good. Yeah, all right, just like the name a lot better than our Little Secret. So yeah, well we'll see. We'll see what happens with those Dayan. I gotta ask, you know, because I kind of feel like I know what to expect here with this answer, But would you recommend I'm gonna ask. I gotta ask you. You know everyone's wondering, would you recommend folks watching rock Star? Uh? It's okay, I mean I think if you want this kind of a movie, there's better choices. Like I said, I mentioned, if you want the more squeaky clean version, there's that thing you do, if you want the rock star cliches that are it's meant to be funny, this is spinal tap is a better choice to me. It just they it just feels like he missed on so many of the important emotions in the story. And you know, it's like even at the end when you know, when Chris walks away, you're kind of like, okay, you know, see you later. I mean, I was happy that he found you know, Puder in a seattle and stuff, and then he started you know, he made it, he built those bridges back. But you know it's I guess, come for the soundtrack, you know, and uh, you know, enjoy the stage performances.

58:12 I get. So the music, you know, the original songs are good. It's it's fine. I mean, I wouldn't put it at the top of your list, all right, that's fair man. I'm gonna say it's a fun movie. Definitely. The music is fantastic, whether it's the Steel Dragon songs or all the other ones that Dayton feels were criminally misplaced. Throughout the film. But it is. It's a it's a fun movie. Like if I'll tell you right now, if I if I was having a lazy Sunday and I just wanted to watch these kind of movies, You're right, I would. I would. I would. I'd be putting in that thing you do. Almost famous, This is spinal tap, but I was famous is better than all of them. Well hold on now, I'm hold on.

58:54 That's almost famous. It is fantastic. It's a masterpiece. I'm just saying I was in the mood and I just wanted to watch you know nothing, But like movies like this, I'm making I'm making room. I'm making I'm making room for rock I'm making room for Rockstar. For sure, listeners, what did you think of Rockstar? You can let us know on social media. We're on Facebook, Instagram, and x check out www dot film by podcast dot com. Uh. All of our episodes are there streaming free. We got articles, we got all kinds of fun stuff happening there. You can write to us at a film by Podcast at gmail dot com with your questions, comments and concerns. We may just read your response on the show and send you some a film by Swag. Join us tomorrow for our Star Trek themed series Phaser Set the Stunt. Wayne David and Scott are recapping the series finale of Discovery. Dan, you're you're a star. You're a Star Trek guy. Do you watch Discovery? No? I have not.

59:52 It's a there's so many Star Trek shows right now that I pretty much would have to do. Like being Jamal, there's just so many. I was truly enjoying strange new worlds. I love that. That's a fantastic I don't have enough time to watch the ball. If only there were more time, right, that's right. I just need to take a year off from work. Who wants to fund me? I don't know. I have that same I have that same goal. But I'll fund you for this week because you know you're not going anywhere. On Friday, Are Limited Series nineteen ninety six returns Dayton's mission, should he choose to accept it, will be to join me for a debrief of Tom Cruise's Mission Impossible. I can't wait to hear what you're gonna say about that one. It's a little surprised about this one.

1:00:42 We'll see what you have to say for Brian de Palma film. Yes, you don't think. You don't think Brian de Palma when you think Mission Impossible, but one of his better ones as far as I'm concerned. Next time on a film by School maybe out for the summer, but Amber Lewis will join me in the classroom for a film by Alexander Payne, his dark high school comedy Election. Dayton is a fan of Election apparently, Okay, on my top five high school movies. Remember that's right, we talked with you, and I talked about your top five high school movies. Listeners, go back and check that episode out. That was a fun episode if you if you've not listened to the docum Base seventy seven podcasts, you are missing out. I cannot recommend it enough. And Dayton, thank you for joining me for a conversation about Rockstar. What's a What's what do we got to look forward to tomorrow on docum Base seventy seven. Yeah, so tomorrow actually, uh one from yours. Scott Hoffman joined us and we are discussing, probably in our opinions, one of the best Disney animated original series on the Disney Channel. It is the fantastic, funny and very weird gravity Falls.

1:02:00 I am not familiar with that one. Gravity Falls. Is it new or is it it ended in twenty sixteen? Interesting? Yeah, it's Yeah, It's a lot of fun and a lot of great voice talent on that show. Fantastic. All right, I'm gonna check it out because I'm I know I'm gonna be checking out that episode. But now I gotta see the I gotta see the TV to know what I'm know what I'm listening to. So all right, well again, man, thanks, thanks a lot. I will see you on Friday. Absolutely, and and to all of you out there listening, hitting the like, subscribe, follow buttons, following us on Patreon, whether you're a free member or one of our patrons, we thank you, stand up and shine