The Music and Movies of Courtney Gains: Part One

0:00 Dave. What comes to mind when I say the name Courtney Gaines, one of my favorite character actors from the eighties. That'd be my answer, I think, But recently I'm thinking about Courtney Gains, the musician. Okay, yeah, we always we usually find ourselves talking about a film by one of our favorite directors. But today let's talk about the music of Courtney Gaines. His new EP, safe Haven is available now, and we're going to dive in track by track with him right now. Awesome, Hello everybody, and welcome back to a film by a podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm David Burns. Listeners. Ever since nineteen eighty four, you can't go near a cornfield without feeling terrified because of this guy. He's appeared in blockbuster films like Back to the Future in Memphis Bell, He's taken dramatic turns in films like Colors. He broke our hearts and inspired us in the teen comedy Can't Buy Me Love, and his frightfully funny performance in the Verbs became a cult classic

1:32 character. But nowadays he's entertaining us with his music. Courtney Gaines, thank you for joining us today. What a lovely introduction. Man, thank you. Oh, the pleasure is definitely all ours ours. Yes, let's get into it. Let's get into it. First question, Courtney, when did your interest in making music begin? Was this early on or like before acting? Same the same art is studying acting professionally and taking guitar lessons at thirteen years old, so it's kind of the same. The trajectory is obviously has been very different, though. You know, I knew that I want to be a professional actor. That was clear, and I got I started studying a workshop with a guy named Virgil Fry who was a working actor's daughter, solet Moonfry of Punky Brewster. So I got broken the busy. He beg was my manager for about ten years, so I had a bit more of a fast track as an actor because I had better people behind me. But I was always playing music. And the thing for me about music is what I like to write. That's really what the thing that is really a creative thing for me. The juice is really flow is writing. So I've been writing for a long time and now I'm just finally starting to get all this material out. Well that's good because that leads into what you know, I've got you know, I doubled script writing and filmmaking, but clearly nothing the caliber of us are nowhere near. But you know, I'm always interested in the creating process because you know, I find it to be an adventure.

3:05 It can be a struggle sometimes, as I'm sure you know, but I always like to hear what those who are creating stuff on what their process is like. So what goes into creating your songs? Is it something that you know happened to you or what's going on in the world? What does that look like? Great question? First off, that I explains your like dramatic forty five degree angle shot up of you director this I was wondering about that. I was like, this is very very epic. That's the director of me. I'm sorry, Yeah, I got it. I was like, yeah, nice, nice frame there, man. Yeah. So writing music, I think it definitely started off is mainly personal stuff and mainly you know, things that I needed to get out out. It gave me, like acting class gave me a creative outlet to get whatever was inside of me out.

3:53 Music is also that. But as you as time goes on, you start to realize that there's more, there's more ways to write songs and just what's what's coming out of your personal inner side? You started writing stories and this this, this eph safe Haven is all storytelling, and that's why I loved all these songs together and things. I just wanted to call some bs on you know. Of course, so you know, you start taking guitar lessons at thirteen. Was there someone specifically that inspired you or is there someone currently inspired you with your today? I think I'm glad you asked that question. I was actually just thinking about that. Get I was thinking people don't ask this question, you know, And it's a good question. I think when so cable just started going when I was when I was a kid, like it was. The first thing was called the Z Channel. I don't know if you guys remember. It was like a cable box that went to the TV, had like fifteen buttons you could push and but but there was all this content all of a sudden available, and I remember the two things.

4:58 I'm not saying this was the influence. I remember Rocky horror picture was on all the time, and I was like, thirteen, what what is this? I don't understand. He's a man, but he's dressed like a woman. I don't transsexual, what is that? But that played a lot, but also Woodstock played a lot. Okay, I remember Woodstock. The first time I saw that, it just blew me away, you know, I mean from the jump Richie Haven's read them for realum, you know, just like, what is this happening? This? And now you know I was, I was. I lived on a hill, a hill in Echo Park in Los Angeles where it was still kind of hippie, you know, and but that was like, that was, you know, where the movement happened, where the movement exploded. Obviously it was Woodstock and and just so much incredible talent in that in that on that, on that movie. I think that was the first sort of rock and roll explosion in my head that I was like, that's cool. I want to do that. Dave, he mentioned Rocky Horror when we when we're when we finish up here, remind don't let me forget. I've gotta we got to tell him something about Rocky Horror. I already crossed my mind as, oh my god, Courtney, I believe you mentioned there's a connect. There's a Courtney Gains Rocky Horror connection that we held. Yeah, I can't let that go. I'll remember that too. That's good getting older, I might have. So Courtney, let's talk about Acoustic Gains Volume one. Can you can you tell us little bit

6:30 about how this project came about? Yeah, So, so it came about like everybody else and during the pandemic, going like, holy shit, you know, who knows how I'm gonna be around? You know, like what matters, what matters to me, And what came up was music I hadn't because I had said, I've been sitting on a lot of music for a lot of years, and I was like, I really got to start getting some of this material out. And it also gave me time again. We all had tom on our hands, started going down rabbit holes and realizing that you can get you know, you can get a up in your house. Now, relative really cheat to track some stuff, you know. So I put together a little little home studio and I started tracking, which was also a great education for myself. And that's how that that's how that album came around. And that album is definitely a much more personal coup being it's acoustic.

7:15 It's a it's a more personal, more inner, inner, reflective type stuff. But that was so that was the first project we I kicked out and then my previous band, Ripple Street again through technology they weren't living where I'm living. We started track. We tracked four songs, so we also put out during during that time, including the saw we put out on January sixth, called The Great Divide, talking about how you know they tell you you got to choose this, you gotta choose that, You gotta choose this, you gotta choose that. But you know, divided the conquer you know in the United we stand. I mean, just a simple positive message to go like, you know, you don't have to go here or here. You don't have to go all the way to the left. You don't have to go all the way to the right. You know, most of us are right here in the middle. You know. Yeah, there's one there's one track. You know you talk about your writing process and how some of it's personal. U Can we talk a little bit about there was a time because man, the first time I heard that it had such an emotional impact on me, and I would love to hear a little bit about about that song, like what you were thinking, how that song came to be?

8:22 It was a time I met the little of mon dreams to quit on a mountain job. He was a child, a beautiful baby boy. Yeah, that song it was was sure you know I had I had a child and got married for uh in ninety two, and that was a that was a certainly to me, there's sort of like life before I had a kid in life after I had a kid. You know, your life is changes your home perspective on what you're doing and why you're doing it. You know.

9:03 At that point, after that acting and everything was ultimately it was to keep a roof over our heads, right. It was, you know, as I got to get work because it guts to get paid because you know, before I was like, well you know, worst cat, you know I can so I sleep myself's couch. But now you got a kid, he used tom couch. You better. You better keep a roof over your hear your father. Now your job is to provide, you know. So it was it was just after having a child and getting married. That was sort of like after that whole eighties run and everything was sort of when I grew up, and so that was what that song was reflective about, is when I was a kid, the full circle of when I was a kid to getting married and having a kid. I'm gonna tell you, like, I think sometimes we see we hear a song, or we see a performance, or we see a movie and it and it hits us, you know, and maybe we're not ready for it. And the first time I heard there was a time it did have this It did hit me emotionally. You know.

9:54 I don't mind saying it, you know, it kind of I kind of teared up a little bit, and I was like maybe it made me reflect on my life and like, yes, what what I've done and what I still want to do, you know, and so uh yeah, I just I just want to thank you for writing a song like that. Yeah. I know you're like you guys excited to have me here and like that's making your day. Well, that just made my day, writer, Thank you, I tell you. Jeff hit it right there, Courtney. It's music is like an escapism, you know, when you when you're listening to it, it takes you somewhere else and it helps you leave the problems in trouble that you're having in the world. You know, And as an artist, you are able to create something to not only make it happen before your listeners, but allows your message, you know, to come across and clearly you know you have done that with all of your music and Safe Haven is it definitely you know we're going to dive into that. But it really did it for me too. Oh thanks me. But the same thing with movies, right, I mean, movies there in place for people to get away from their problems in the world as well. I mean that's what I think.

10:50 Art, you know, elevates sometimes just escapes, so sometimes elevates, you know. That's why it's a valuable, you know, a valuable thing in society. It's it's sort of the like like why do we have to dream? Right, Like why do we have to go to sleep? And why do we have to dream? Because we have to process all this ship, right? And I think that art is is a I think when when it's on its best level, it's coming from a subconscious level, you know. I feel like when I'm creating a character or writing a song, when it feels like it's coming from not this part of my brain, but somewhere over here. I can't explain exactly it's coming through, like an antenna ether kind of thing. When it's at its best, you know, and uh, that's why I think that's why you know, film and music, have you know someone of a dream like in the world quality and and and I really love what you said because you know what I've come sort of, you know, when you say asked, You's like, why do I do what I do? I am? I an actor? What what what do I provide? You know? I think that what I've come down to with what I think I do best as an actor and hopefully as a musician too, is create a mood, create a feeling, create a you know. And and and I think that like that's a service in society because what we're really, what we're so taught in this country is to not feel, to not show emotions, to be in control, to be the boss. No no, no, no, you know, but really we're all going through a lot of ship. Yeah, and the ones that don't and the ones that really don't get in tune with that at all and find a way to express

12:22 it in any way. Is when you when people go freaking postal, right, it's like they finally just fluck a completely snap, right. So it's like that's not the freaking healthy answer. So like if someone is some guy you know, some dudes need to go to like a metal metal band festivals where they're just talking like ah for like five hours, but they get it all out. God bless you know amen, you know, yeah, yeah, And it takes people like you, Courtney to to help us. It takes artists, you know, to exactly what you said, you know, make us feel something different so that we can escape. You know, we mentioned that before, but it's just like we all need that. You know. I got photography in my life and I use that as an escape, you know, So I completely understand what you're saying, and you know you help us do that. So thank you nice, Yeah, Courtney. Sometimes if I need if I need it and I go to a metal concert, that's a great release. Sometimes no one's in town, so maybe I take my my garbage can down the street and beat the hell out of it.

13:22 That's right. Well, next time you do that videotape before me and send it, I'll post it. I definitely will. All right. So safe Haven is currently available through Fake Thangs Records. Yes, let's talk about Fake Fangs. How'd that come about? So it's a very small little label in Savannah, Georgia and a guy named Jim Reid, who is who is h sort of my mentor here in Savannah. He sort of taught me how things work out here, like like with music for example, like La La is a showcase town where you put four or five bands at night through right play. You can play all originals if you want, because it's a showcase situation.

14:05 And that's what I did for years in La with the various projects I had out here. This is a tourist town. And so it's about they don't want to put a bunch of bands through tonight. They want one band to play at that bar, that restaurant, that whatever, due three forty five minute sets to night. You got to bring your own pa. These are all things I'm like, I'm like, what your own pa? What? What if you want gigs? This is how it works and you have to do like seventy percent covers and like that. So I wanted to put a working band together and so but Jim who's been a he's been a drummer in town for a long time, plus a writer, plus a film curator, plus a label. I just like all the things he's about. And like I said, he's been kind of my mentor that I was like, hey, man, you want to put this record out and he was like, yeah, let's do it. So that's that's how Fake Fang Records came to him. And he's also going to be the person helping put the booking together for the touring next year and all that. So he's he's become a very a big resource for me supporting my music nice. So I really appreciate him on that level. And he's you know, he's a musician. He's a tough critic too, He's like one of the toughest critics, but he's also the guy helping me the most. So I really appreciate his his support out here. But yeah, having having a band the last nine months has been a working band has been great because it's really allowed me to get my chops together. And I've pivoted from in Ripple Street, I played guitar and sang win a three piece band. I've pivoted to playing bass in this band because, so you know, three forty five minute sets, a lot of covers. I felt like I needed a better like guy who could noodle and

15:37 shred a lot more to extend all the songs than what I So I just say, I'm playing rhythm guitar on bass basically is what I'm doing. But nine months it's all been about gearing to get this record out and then gearing to get on the road next year to promote it. And it's, uh, it's it's it's paid off. You know, it's paid off. I was just at a little, a little uh festival called Double Lark's Metal Festivals. All metal bands but and me but uh. But it was a nice sized stage and with a good pia system and all that, and we got the rock they just they just got posted on Facebook. I think we're day two and day three, but just seeing some of the footage, it was like, it was great to finally just get on a good sized stage with a really nice PA and do a fifty minute set where you're just focused.

16:18 You don't have to play three long sets, do a couple of the originals in there, and just bang it out. It was just kind of a culmination of where we've gotten to at this point. And he shows that we're ready to get on the road, play the festivals, get on the road, open for some bands, that kind of stuff. So that's where we're at. Nice. Yeah, so you're doing. You can find the band on Facebook. Courtney Gains grew so excellent. So you know, you're you're doing, you got vocals, you're doing, you're doing guitar. This the guy you're talking about shredding it? Would that be? Would that be Guy Wallace? That was guy for about seven months. Yeah, and he also he's he's a multi talented musician. He uh, he plays guitar and he and he's and yeah, he's all the most of the lead work on the record is him. But he also as a very very good keyboard player and he added some keys on the record as well. But he's made his living majority of the last maybe decade playing keyboards for bands and uh, but he also plays for Monica and so for for the first set of months, he brought a lot. He brought a lot to the table. He was a one man band. You know, he could if you want to play an acoustic too where you can play some harmonica or you want to you know, I wanted to play were ups in London. He could jump on keyboards.

17:23 Except for a while, that really gave us a diversity as a band. But but he's moved on and he uh and now we have a guy named wald PJ from Peru who's just a he's a real shredding uh guitar player. He gives us a little more edge, a little more eighties rock maybe kind of vibe. So it's taking us in a little bit different direction. That's what's so interesting about. You have a small three piece band, and particularly whoever the guitar player is, is gonna greatly influence what you sound like because they have to carry a lot of the weight, you know, yeah, because it's only three pieces. But well, but back to guy he all so he you know, he was instrumental and helping. Uh. He did the mix on the record, and that was a lot of work because I did I did, I did. I tracked the vocals, uh, rhythm guitar and bass guitar all on my own, uh, in my own little studio, and it wasn't all completely fleshed out, so we had to go in and do some editing and some spicing and dicing. It wasn't all just like, oh, here's the song beginning to add perfect. It was like he'd had some lead work and I'd be like, ah, something that's too busy, but I like this one thing, like you heard on like lookout, I like that a lot. I was like, let's put that.

18:41 Like he's like what, I'm like, just try it. Put it and he's like, oh, I get it. Okay, now cool. You know. So we did a lot of like a lot of surgery to put this record together, which made it take a little longer. But you're trying to just trying to figure out to get something you're happy with in the end. You know it sounds good, so it does. You did it, You did it? I think, how's how is it? Playing with with Christopher Angeletti. He is awesome. So both him and guy were That's how we got guys. They knew each other from Connecticut. They're both Connecticut guys, Massachusetts guys. And Chris Chris uh is a very school drummer, you know, and he's when I first met him, I already knew a little bit about him and such, and then he you know, he he I know, like he played like in some really well established prog bands in Connecticut.

19:26 And then I was like, okay, man, like this is a rock band, like you know, like you know, need more meat and potatoes, dude, you know that like crazy a field dude. All the time, just like I understand, I understand what you need. And he's he's been great because again he's been at it twenty plus years, and this is the first time I've really been quote unquote just the the band leader. Been in bands that I've been like maybe cold, but it was like it's all on me. I gotta find the gigs, I gotta pay the dudes, you know, all the responsibilities. But he's been there before. So like when Guy left, I'm like, oh man, what are we gonna do. He's like, it'll work out. We'll find somebody out like he's because you know, that's that's the nature of the beast. But he's been at it twenty years. For me, it's a little bit of a new curve. So he's been a great steady like a good drummer, a great steady force behind me, this key pushing it forward. You know. He's always been very positive. But what's cool is now that we're taking on some like for like this metal festivals, like well, you know, we gotta play some little bit harder, so like let's play some Sabbath war pigs, you know, And he could do all those fills, you know, like like the like, I can't play like Geezer Butler at all. I'm like playing, I'm keeping it simple, stupid, you know, and singing.

20:34 Yeah. But this guy he's like he's he's warbag. You know, I tell you, you can see the video. Yeah, this guy he can play. So it's been great to we've been able to unleash him a little bit and let him do all his skills. But yeah, he's a he's he's great to have in the band. He's just a very positive influence and a very solid talented drummer. I'm surprised to hear, like when you're doing these these gigs, like they want seventy percent covers, What would what what are your go to covers? Like what what like the ones you enjoy playing? What what are Courtney Gaines go to cover? Well, that's that's that was the one thing. Uh, That's It's funny because when I first started doing all this because because again in Connecticut, I guess they're like really strict about like you gotta do the covers the way the covers are. Wow, And I don't know, I don't know that, right. I come from La where I can play whatever I want, right, And so when I decided if I'm going to do covers, I gotta do covers. I like, I'm not going to do covers because I'm supposed to, and I'm gonna do them the way I want because that's to me one my skill set level too. Artist interpretations. What makes you an artist at least in my opinion, Yes, so so, so I figured I'm sticking those guns. So that's what I did. And again guy was like, I don't know if it's gonna fly and people people reacted very well, and he was like, oh, this is great. Plus we're playing a lot of blues. He wasn't sure because Connecticut Ota likes blues, but out here people do. And a matter of fact, Jim plays in a really good band called the Eric culb Ban. He's like the big fish in town blues player with his bass player, big ease, like this guy who's like just a beast. That's

22:07 what we got our start. We'd go to there Tuesday night jam nights, and we started working up like we could play like three songs a night, work up our material so that by the time we got that opportunity, we've got some sets together than got it. We wouldn't we'dn't have been ready to jump into that pond. That was a big jump for me to play. I used to put like a fifty minute set, maybe maybe a forty five minute set. To jump at three forty five minute sets, it was like a big like whoa. But to answer your question, I'll give you an example. First first song I upened with is a Desperado, but I don't do it like a ballot. I did a little more up tempo and so it's a little more it's a little more out, it's a little more uh, it's a little country rock. I guess you could say, okay, but I like, I love the song, but I don't not really into doing it as a ballot. So I just picked the temp who up a little bit and do my own thing. And I say this a lot in the sets, like you'll recognize this song eventually, like we do. We do the clashes should I stay or should I go? Now? When I started learning that, yeah, it's a great song. But when I started learning the song and I started learning the bass part, I realized the bass part was very fifties if you really just isolate it if you think about it.

23:22 But but it's so disguised in punkin attitude, you don't notice it. But when I learned the part, I noticed it, right, So I was like, hmm, this is interesting. So I start now with like a little fifties kind of groove in the beginning, and then we drop into the tune and then we play it. But I know that, look, as a cover band, you're never never gonna have the attitude of the clash, like that's what it's. It's that's it's the moxie of the band that makes it, that makes it them right, So if you try to do that, it's gonna be cheese right, that's in my opinion. So I try to find a way to make it mine. And one of the things we do again, we finally do the first chorus, we do the double drum part. But when we drop back in the second time, after I do another game like fifties, we drop in and we only do one hits where it's more of a fifties kind of dan. It's just kind of sending a message like, do you realize this songs? This song's rooted in rock and roll, it's punk, but you break it down. He listen to this bassline, it's rooted in rock and roll all the way back into the fifties. And that's what I mean by interpreating stuff. You know. Yeah, awesome, Well, Dave, let's take a quick break and when we get back, we are going to go track by track with Courtney on his new EP, safe Haven. All right, we are back, Courtney.

24:44 Are you ready to go track by track and give us a little insight on safe Haven? It's about to shift to a music by Courtney games, not a film by podcast. Yes, that's right. Oh, I love it. David wouldn't have it any other way, Courtney. So let's start with the title track, Ye say, David, when the world times too crazy to understand, don't still gold, don't lender Helm and Hayes rejects everything you try to Jeeves, don't all bad on your dreams on we Y we are dreams all the past two got along, we Need, we all Need or Lettle So it's you know, it's that song was the one song that was written on versus guitar. And it started with that riff, that cool, that cool walkdown right, And I think again it was like during pandemic time and all of that, and and I thought and when I started thinking about was just people, the people on the streets, Like it's something nothing to

26:17 be on the streets, but could you imagine had to be on the streets during COVID Like that was the sort of the first thought that kind of spawned things, and then it kind of became a layered concept like what, well, what is so a home? Yes, very important to have a home, right, a safe haven. But on top of that, then it becomes like what is your what what is your safe haven? Like for me, it's right for me. Like that's where I really expressed the stuff going on with me that I can't quite articulate any other way, or the articulate much clearer somehow on a song. So it sort of became that it became that, like what's your safe haven? Whether it be art, you know, or something like my Son's deep into jiu jitsu, you know, like whatever your jam is. Like, life is short, man, you know, work a job if you got to pay the bills, whatever, but like you better find something you love to do because life is short. Find your safe haven. You do your thing. Man. You know what I was gonna say, is it's appropriate? Uh? You know that the album was called safe Haven. And this is the first song on the album because to me, when I hear the word safe haven, it's it's gonna take me to a place where I'm comfortable that, you know, I can just let myself be who I want to be. And clearly that's what this is.

27:26 You know, it's a place to call our own you know, which you say in the song, yeah, you know, And you know I love that, even the course, absolutely, even the course in this I just I find myself just loving that so much and singing right along with it. So that's awesome, great great stuff. I'll echo what you both are saying. First off, it's a great way to start the EP off. And and just the you know, courdy you you you you talked about you know whatever your jam is this for me, this song, it's the head nodding driving down the coast with the top down kind of a jim like, you know it like I don't know where I where I'm coming from, but I know things are gonna be okay. That's that's what this song kind of says to me. That's that's funny. Uh. The s guy I worked with, Mike Dallager, who has this amazing uh double ep called based on H. P. Lovecraft Dreams of the Witch House. I know we're going to talk about that at all, but he all these metal guys are on it, Doug Blair and just amazing people. He he called like my my stuff in Ripple Street cruise grunge. That was his. That's exactly the kind of stuff you put your top down and you go up the coast. So yeah, picking up on my you're picking up on my groove. That's my groove, I guess. Excellent. Yeah, it's a good groove to have.

28:37 Man. Uh, let's let's talk about the track number two, The Healer. He you make it a fing brand with a little sign from my O. This one starts big, like I love like, we get like a hint of like this gospel beginning, and then it quickly segues to like this old time rock and roll sound with the keyboards and the horns. It's jamming man. Yeah, well again, yeah, guy gets all that credit with the keyboards and the horns. That's his wife is one of the horns on that. He found a trumpet playery. He works with it and he really he really elevated the song and fattened it out but so so, uh, we'll get to the heather, but sort of tout in some kind of

30:08 context. So three of the songs were songs that were I'd had for a long time that were in a movie I did in two thousand and six called Benny Bliss and the Disciples of greatnessas a rock and roll road movie with an anti technology bent, and that's I create this character and this was all part of that, like can you write stuff outside of your person's life. I created this character called Benny Bliss and the Disciples of the Greatness is the band and Benny Bliss looks like something between Evil Knievel and Elvis. It's it's the kind of we say, you know you can find it. I think you can still find it. Rented. I'm like, if you smoke out, I suggest you do and watch this. Just have a few beers because it's that kind of movie. Uh. But there's some really excellent musicians and the guy who produced, the guy who directed it and produced it with me is in it. Martin Geegee. He's a he's a he's a director of working director. He's also a very serious musician. He's the keyboard player and bandleader for Billy Gibbons' own band when he's not doing his easy top. So that should put you out a clue of how good this dude is. And so the movie, the last, the end of it culminates in the desert where of vortex, where none of the you know, technology can work like phones and all that. It's a live concert's live, like a fifteen minute live show. It's crazy, and these guys are all good, like the bass player it was. We were like, wow, this guy's really good.

31:32 Turns out he's now the bass player in Bush, you know, like he's done all right, Corey Britz, he's done all right for himself since set. So I don't know what that tangent. Oh, three of those songs were in the movie, and they were supposed to be We were supposed to do a record after what It never happens. So I took three of the songs from there that I had, and three new songs. So safe An was a new song, Heeler is an old song. And uh again looking something from a different point of view, So that song is told the point of view of a plastic surgeon. Well, you know, like I said, those booms, but like I said, it was, and it feels like a like like a some kind of revival like gospel vib So You're like, like, he's selling her this incision. Yeah, And I was like, he sells this is what we're gonna do for you. We're gonna make it brand new. You know. I would love to do a music video for this. Somebody give me the budget to do it, because I just putting this middle aged woman through a conveyor belt. She comes out on the other end, you know, and like you said, relax and let go right right. But again, it's really ultimately it's calling bullshit on you know, our materialistic you know, society and and not honoring age at all.

32:49 You know, I think that's I think about music. You know, most of the music we listen to is people's conversations when they were twenty years old, when they pretty much don't know shite. But that's what we we That's what sells, right, young beautiful people and talking sex talk and rock and rolls, dog or whatever. Right talk and rebellion, that's what sells and those of the people who buy records. But there's not much out there in the way of wisdom. But our country is very young and its mentality. So our conversation seems to be very young. Uh is what I think. That's my that's my theory. But yeah, it's just kind I just think plastic surgery is like so so ridiculous. You know, yeah, one thing, but I'm getting some pecks put in. I don't know. One thing that kind of that catches me by surprise on The Healer is that mid break where everything kind of slows down. It's a little it's a little unexpected, but it's welcome. It's like, uh, I mean because the songs just rocking the whole time, and it's like a chance to catch your breath and then you ratchet it right back up Courtney, right, and the keyboards, you know, really helped carry that carry that bridge through it. Need did that, like you said, sort of churchy kind of yeah, like he said, he kind of kind of like she's gone under anesthesia now, right, Yeah, and then God is going to go to work. Because that's kind of what the I see these dudes sort of think they are, you know, they sort of think that they're, you know, better than God, God's creation, like you know that that kind of that's kind of what

34:22 rubs me about it. It's like, look, not everything God makes us perfect, but it's insanely amazing. Right. It's like, and that's sort of what Benny Benny Bliss is about, the same thing is, but Ben, the character of the Electric Shock Treatment, gets a message from God that God's getting lonely because we're paying attention to all our devices and not creation itself, you know, which I think has only gotten a thousand times worse since that movie was made. You know, it's like it seems to be like I don't know, it seems like we tape the planet Earth nature like for granted, you know, like it's pretty freaking amazing, y'all, Like, pay attention. You got my pulpit now, man, Dave, I'm gonna look into financial backing because I would love to see you direct the video for this song that's doing. Let's talk, we can make it happen. We'll find a way to stroungde a couple of dollars. You gotta get me in a white smock. I would love every second of that. Yeah, background, you know absolutely, Oh God, yes, Dave. Okay, now just to sell that now, you have to watch any Bliss because you'll see you'll see with that character alone where we could go with this I'm looking at and that's actually the last song in the movie. Uh uh that we're performing

35:52 and uh yeah, I'm not even described. It's so crazy. You have to see. You have to see this last scene with the alert. You're just gonna be like, oh my god, we gotta we gotta do something that'd be that would be that would be a dream for me. So let's let's let's let's let's let's put the brains. You gotta make an aver when we yeah to work with Corney Games on a project. Oh my gosh, that would just I don't know how I would react to that. I'm barely reacting to it now because I'm so excited. That's a speaking of excitement. This this this, uh this CPS, it's building and it's building. We get to track three Big Brother, uh Corny. My notes, I'm looking at my notes here and the first thing I wrote is now we're cooking exclamation point this. It opens with this mean guitar and this this how the that you give us and it's just man, I love it so for me, I was gonna put I was gonna put Big Brother first, but uh, but I like Jim, I welcome outside ears right, and I didn't know.

37:23 I wanted the title, the title track to be safe favorous. I think that's why he decided let's put that first. And I think it's worked out great. I really, I we find when we got the CDs, you know, I finally was able to listen to it like a record. You know, it's one thing to have the tracks, you have to keep pressing them individually or whatever. It's not the same, right, put the CD in and you listen to this like and I grew up like listen to like, you know, Zeppelin from song to end. You know, That's what I really admire about, Like Zeppelin is like the whole album works together. It's not just a good song or bad song good, It's like the whole thing flows. I really I'm really happy with the way the order, with the order that was put together, the way this record flows. You know, it's only a song EP, but I feel like it it has, like you said, an arc and then you know, an ending.

38:05 So I'm really I'm really, really really pleased with that. But so Big Brother again was was was maybe that was probably the impetus for the Benny Bliss project. Martin and the GigE, the director and I were in an entertainment basketball league together and uh, the E shouldn't be for entertainment, the E should be for ego. It was just the It was like all these like top notch, like uh agents from like William Morris and our big actors are big rappers and and they're ego. It was just a hilarious. The whole thing was like, so me and this guy would like sit there on the bench like laughing at people and shape because we just thought they were so full of themselves, you know. So that was our that was our bonding. And then when we went we he did he did some music with me.

38:45 He came in to play some keyboards and just blew us away and and then he would just hear me go on these rants about technology, and I started this Benny Bliss character. And then he was like and he goes he was like, let's do like a little ep K on Benny Bliss. And then we shot some stuff and then he goes, no, this is gonna be a movie. I'm like, what it's like, We're gonna make a movie, and and it ended up happening. But it was really off of this this big brother. The concept is very simple. It's like, you know, we've become big brother. You know, when the movie nineteen eighty four was made out, they were gonna be they were gonna be spying on us on our TVs and trying to control thus, like you know that kind of dystopian society. Now either do was give us phones with the camera and we could constantly go, look at me having a great life over here doing this.

39:30 You know, I always telling my son, don't compare yourself to people's highlight reels because good good point. How often how often you see on these like Dateline? I love Dateline and shit? Right, but how have you see all these shows? Like somebody is like, you know, some bloggers showing how great life they have and then they end up murdered by their boyfriend or something. Right, It's like it's like the people who are looking like they have too great a life are covering the fact that, like life ain't so good. It's like, stop doing that ship, deal with your fucking issue. You got a psycho boy, get the fuck out of the relationship. But but it's true, it's true. So we've become our own police. You knows filming each other or somebody's having it alter. Let me get time so I could take this to court and use them. It's like we've become big brother. So that's the line. Who you knew the big brother would turn out to be you? Right? Yeah, it's it's an interesting point you made because we were we're in a time now where if you saw someone in trouble or you saw someone being assaulted. Nowadays, most people's reaction isn't to go help, it's to it's to start recording the film, and the film it Yeah, you're absolutely right, man, it's got Yeah, it's gotten to the point where, uh, you know, everybody thinks it's all it's all a it's all a movie, you know. And I remember even dealing with that when I was, you know, younger, like like obviously you know, like Child in the Corn was such a splash that you know, I couldn't go anywhere, you know, when I first time, it really freaked me out. But where I realized it was the worst was what I call mall people. Like if you go to a mall, like I try to avoid malls because mall people, to me are people who like

41:04 things right. They go to the mall so they can buy stuff, right, they're not a big stuff guy. But when they would see me, they would treat me like an item, Like they grab me by my arm or try to take me to their friends and like what are you doing? Like like, I'm not a just because you paid, like, you know, fucking ten bucks or whatever seeing in a movie. I'm not a fucking thing, you know they call me now say the line like what the fuck? You know? It's like, I don't mind talking to people, and I don't mind, you know, Like, but I don't like when you treat me like a thing that Dan is to do a dog and pony show with because you paid a couple of bucks to watch my movie. That's that's another animal, you know. Yeah, that's maybe that's a song I should write. Mall people. There you go, moll people in the next one.

41:44 Yeah, well, I'll tell you one thing. One thing about people. Our second video together, we're cooking, man, we wouldn't have trouble finding an abandoned mall. That's her. Damn. That sounds one thing before we move on to the next one. One thing I love about Big Brother. This is the song that I would want to hear live in a crowd and feel the energy. Is this is this one of the Is this a song that you guys play well when you're out there? And am I right with the energy there? Yeah? Definitely, definitely. We we we have been with the new guy. We haven't yet, but we will. It's because I have. Also, you're gonna get You're gonna eventually get some good times. The good times is they're both in e so I gotta kind of pick one of the other depending on the sets or like that, because they're kind similar, which is why I tried to sort of stack them away from each other a little bit. But yeah, it's a it's a good one that one and good times really are good good live. Well, Well, we're going to talk about track four, which is I'm gonna say my favorite, Courtney. I love all of these, don't get me wrong, I love them, but I'm telling you, Bills in Space is just I've listened to the thing over and over and over again and I just can't get enough of it, and I'll just keep listening to it. But I love the fact that it's like a ab at the billionaires for this space race that's been going on. Uh, and I love what you do with your thong.

43:09 My song Rejoy just had on it ustig me on misic conram already on this come. We got a millionaires milliona we got a millionaires a million say we got a millionaire home New read Racing got a millionaires. The biggest ego trip on the planet right now is the billionaire space race. That's that's how I see that. I see that as and when you know I've said this, I've done a few interviews here late. I say this because it's like, how about we take these three great minds and how about you guys get together and like solve like world hunger and homelessness. How about you do that instead?

43:59 But I say, in sarcasm, like, oh, because you can't monetize that, you ain't interested, right, Like that's how I feel about it, because obviously they're all three fucking bright guys, right and with all the resources of you know, literally all the resources at this point, Okay, you know, going to space it's a it's an achievement. It's cool, but like you know, in the big fucking picture, it ain't shit, you know what I mean. It's like, uh, there's a lot going on on the planet where some people could use your fucking help. How about how about how about doing that at least as I give to like Bill Gates, you know, like he you know, they you know, then their foundation they put together like they're actually you know, trying to solve malaria problems in Africa and stuff like that. You got to take my hat off of those guys, you know what I mean. Ultimately, philanthropy is when you're when you've made it that big philanthropy is the last the last frontier.

44:50 And then question is like what are you really going to leave behind? What are you really going to leave behind? And you know, I guess if the planet explodes and Elon Must managed to get some people to Mars, then okay, you know you fucking did a good thing. But or Diddy humans and space so ship. But yeah, that that song absolutely is you know, tongue in cheek mocking and it just kind of grew with this surf beat that kind of just worked out and that's one of the new songs. And uh yeah, I didn't like, I don't take like somehow credit, like I really thought this out, but it kind of has that like floating in space kind of vibe. That's what I catch vibes more than I catch like technique is somehow I just capture ship in a bottle sometimes, and that's well.

45:36 The vibe in that one was wonderful, and that's I'm going to keep listening to that one for a very long time. That awesome. Thank you, Coty Accordney. I'm so glad that you said that it has a surf vibe, the surf beat, because right there in my notes the next thing I want to mention was when I listened to this, it harkens back to like surf rock. It has that that that beat. So you know, I feel JUSTI now thank you for that. You got it. You're yeah. But I don't think. I don't think heavily about like, oh I'm gonna write a surf beat song or something. It's just it's just again things we while we've all been an influenced by, I don't when I think about influence, I don't think specific like, oh, I heard this song and I want to write a song just like it there and there are people who do that and that's fine. But again, stuff gets in my subconscious and it finds its way back out the mutas and finds its way back out into your own interpretation. You know. Yeah, Bills in Space, I feel like it would be right at home on a on a Quentin Tarantino soundtrack.

46:29 Oh man, Like that would be like a dream, right, Oh yeah, awesome. I could see one of his protagonists, like, you know, one of those those quiet moments, and just hearing Bills in Space in the background or hearing on the radio. It just it feels. It gave me that kind of vibe too. You're right though, that might be you know, I've I've been fortunate to have a few songs in movies and such. You know, that's cool. It gives people obviously I'm in the industries and some of these people like you got a song or like hey, you know, would you be in this? But like we'll throw your tea in a shirt or whatever. Like I have a song a little tiny movie. I did a cameo and called American Bigfoot into the producer at this concert we just did in North Carolina. Uh. A song from Ripple Street called Going Places ended up being the title track at the end of the movie, which means the primo spot, you know, with the titles at the end of the movie. So it's always cool. When I was a jazz on a song of mine is in a film, that's really cool. But I think maybe out of all the songs, maybe you're right, maybe Bills in Space will be the one that would find out home first. So maybe, so maybe. So that's funny you mentioned America big Foot because I'm a big Bigfoot fan. I saw that. I've not seen that movie yet, but I'm going to go see It's like Corney made a big Foot movie. I gotta go see this. Have this little cave I literally shot in like my backyard about you know, play like like, yeah, I saw Bigfoot. Right.

47:52 One thing I've always been a fan of and it's probably why I've just played Acoustic Games Volume once so much. I love the acoustic guitar. And let let's let's talk about the fifth track Lookout No no, Well, well let's talk about acoustic guitar first. And so I was taught so to speak, by a guy, and he was a songwriter. They basically said, if it doesn't sound good on an acoustic guitar or a piano, you know, and it's simpler, phase, it's not really a well written song.

48:52 And that that always kind of stuck with me. And I've done ninety nine of my writing acoustically, so you take it from there and then you you you expand. So that saw that the acoustic guitar you hear, and it is basically that's how the song was written. Now was the structure, and then of course we just we expand. But yeah, I wanted I like, I liked keeping it. I like keeping some acoustic guitar and that one in the background, cause it just kind of has this like a little bit of Spanish ye field or something. I don't know. I don't know, you know again, I just started writing this riff and then I don't know why that idea came to me, but I know that when I wrote it, I thought, because my son, you know, like I said, he does martial arts and all this stuff, I thought he would he would like it because it's kind of it's very I always now here we go.

49:36 If you want to make another video, here we go, I said, this is my pitch. When I played the I say, if I could, you know, some of us do fund this video. It would be black and white and very film noir, because because I really think that's that's that's saw. I mean, the song basically is about a box the mob comes in says you got to throw a fight, right, which you've seen that movies a thousand times. I've always thought about it like that would be fucking hard, man, that would be really like, like you know, I mean, you know, there's nothing there's really nothing more putting your ass on the line than getting in the ring, right, whether it be UFC or boxing, right. I mean, you really it gets down to like just you know, I mean, you're really risking your life, right, and your brains, and it takes balls, and and you're also trying to hurt people's like the most primal thing. We all we all watch it because it's a fucking train wreck, right, and but but it takes a lot of guts, man, you know, and to do that and to train for that, and imagine trained for that, and then you know, you get told last minute like now, motherfucker, it ain't your night, you know, And yeah, it would be. And one of my favorite, one of my favorite movies is On the Waterfront and the film yeah yeah, and you know, the most famous scene, you know, when he's like, you know, you're my brother, you know, I you know, I could have been somebody. His own brother who works the mod tells me he's gotta throw a fight, you know what I mean, Like it like that was to me as one of the you know, one of the one of the all time for me as a man kind of thing, hard jerkers.

51:01 You know, he's just like his own brother robbed him of his fucking potential, you know what I mean of what of his ability? You know, like there's like I don't know, there's like I'm a sucker for people's ability, Like I want people to live up to their full disability. Somebody taken away your ability is just to be like, yeah, it's like fate is bad as are not worse than death. So I think that that story has always been in there and that's what came out. But yeah, I see it as a very film noir tale because you know, like he stands up to him, but in the end, does it doesn't go so well? Does he get out? Does he get out? Like I don't know, but good fellas out in the fields at the end there, you know, it's like, you know, dug this whole for you. I was going to just mention for Lookout and I know, Jeff, you've got notated as well. But I want to know about the guitar solo that was in this song? Was that you? Or was that guy Guy Wallace? No, that's guy watch great nice, yeah, really good lead. The only one that I play lead on is is uh is a good times just got kind of got that angsty punk Yeah, but no, he does a beautiful building lead on that good stuff, like the one does I like the one he does on the Spacey one on Bills in space to that's pretty not Yeah, Dave Courtney is talking about black and white and noir. I kind of feel like this is kids. You know, you should be directing his music videos because I know you're You're in post on on the one we just shot.

52:27 Yeah, and it's so, what's the movie? It's about a biker and his girlfriend who are serial killers. Nice. It's for a film festival here in Cincinnati. Nice. What's it called my Suga? Yep? Okay, you know once once the film festival is over, it will be put out everywhere for her body to see. We just can't put it out ntil the film festival's done, of course, Thank you. I appreciate that. Thanks man. So let's uh, let's talk about biker movie because I'm ready to a ready. Courney is now on the short list for all of our projects, and I'm okay with that. I'm very okay with it. Let's let's talk about good times. This is this is how we we. Uh I think we skipped one anyway or not? No lookout? Yeah yep all six Yeah, okay, so good times? You know you you talked about your lead guitar. My first my first note here was this one feels a little rowdy. Well ys go lest too. Now that you know Verro, that's a sorry about around them. Probably the longest. My first band was

53:58 an acoustic band in the eighties when everyone else was on the sunset straight playing metal. I was playing an acoustic band in the coffeehouse scene that sort of emerged during that same time. Uh and uh, even acoustically, I had I had a female singer I named Shane O'Neil. We started writing songs together when when we were like, you know, fifteen, sixteen years old, and she got a great voice, big booming voice. Uh. This song even acoustically, it would get people up dancing and get people on their feet, and I thought, man, if this song works acoustically to get people to move, you know, when you get it, play it, you know, play, you know, play with a full band. It's gonna really rock. And then it ended up like and again this one up getting roudy even I even cranked up the speed on this one a little bit from what I initially recorded, which is why the voice also sounds just a little higher. But it gave it that just a little that little tension, you know. And again that song is just me calm bullshit on a bunch of things like you know what's like you think you can cheat on your old lady and get away with it, or you think you can be a politician and fucking lie to the people. Are think you can, you know, be a preacher and scam people. It's all gonna come. It's all gonna catch up to your ass eventually, one way or another. It's gonna catch up to your ass. Good times ain't gonna last. That's right, great great harmony on this one, and oh thank you. I feel like this is a song. You know, we talked, we're talking about how it's rowdy, it's gritty, it's it's it's definitely uh, it's a little Meaner, little louder, this is the song. Like I feel like if if the band is playing this song and a fight breaks out at the bar, looks

55:30 like the barroom brawl, like very appropriate. You're you're, yeah, this is the appropriate song. Like you're like a glass bottle flies by your head as you're still playing, and you know it. That's what this one gives me at the at this festival. So, you know, except we're playing a lot of gigs in Savannah where it's like we're playing bars, we're playing restaurants where we're like background music. Some people know that I am, don't they're not there to see me, right, which is great. It's like it's it's a real true barometer somebody likes slipping or something. But some of these lettersons are starting like this festival, people were there basically, you know, coming to see can this guy play music or not? Right? Which I love that because I know the I figured the bar is going to be pretty low because you know, I'm an actor, right a lot. Right, So so but once we kick in, they realize we're good. They just have a good time. But that song, that's when the front rode the front crowd started to like punk Rocket. All of a sudden, they started started smashing into each other and I was like, yep, this is like, you're right on the money, You're right in the money. Started getting physical, you know, I started getting started getting thrashy, and uh, it's just that kind of song. It just gets people going. And it's a good way to end the album too, in my opinion. You know, you talked a little bit earlier about placing the songs where they need to be placed to give you that flow, just like a good movie trailer.

56:42 You know, it's it's an art form. You know it's gonna it's gonna just drive that movie for you, just like this, you know, placing those the songs in their order. I think this is a great song to end this album. Yeah, that that one, I was pretty firm, and I would have doubted the one where I probably said, no, it's God's got to be the end. Figure out what I real That's gotta be my end because it brings it all back to the end, you know about what we've been saying the whole time, all this bullshit, all this nonsense, y all Ben doing it ain't gonna last one way or the other. Yep, you know you mentioned, you just mentioned. You know, sometimes people are coming they don't know you, or they might not recognize you. Do you appreciate do you sometimes appreciate that that little bit of anonymity, anonymity? Oh yeah, yeah, that's one of the things I love about living out here. It's an interesting thing because there are a lot of movies shooting in the South. I've been getting a lot of work. So the South thing, the Southeast market is from Atlanta's the hub, but it's like four hundred miles in any direction from Atlanta's considered southeast work. So like I've worked in I've worked in North Carolina, Florida. You know, like there's like a lot of places you can get work. But there's a fair amount of good movies that come here to to Savannah as well, because there's actually another ten percent incentive on top of the already Georgia state incentive. So it's the best incentive in the country. Problem, but it's a very specific place.

58:00 It's good for like period movies and things like that. Or but so there's big movies that come to and be like, oh, will Smiths in town John Travoldis, they're looking for those guys. They ain't looking for me, So I'm able to just like walk around ninety percent of the time. I get more recognized in LA then I get recognized out here. So I actually dig the anonymity of that. And I and I do dig it with the band too, and and and like he says, somebody, you'll see somebody figure it out all of a sudden, and they'll get out their phone. And yeah, but but for but by and large, it's it's it's tourists who are coming to town just to have a good time and have a good meal and have a good drink and just hear some good music, you know. So they're not they're not coming for me per se. So I said, I like it because it just gives us a chance to just do our thing and and work on our skills. So that, like I said, we're now ramping up for gigs where people are going to be looking to see us, you know. But I want to be ready, right because you know, like I said, it's gonna be there, they're gonna be looking like, Okay, after what you got, that's great record. I got to ask you, do you have a favorite song from this album?

59:07 Yeah? No, that's tough. That's I'm sure it would be, because they're all great. I just was just curious if you had one that maybe just a little bit more of your favorite than any of them, because I like them for different reasons, right, Like I like I like like you know, I like Bills in Space a lot too, for the same reasons you were saying. And but like like there's like I think one interview asked one writing interview ass which one of the most sentimental lines. But I guess good times because I've had it the longest, you know, But I would say, is that my favorite? Now, I don't know fair enough pick your favorite kid, right, they're right? Oh yeah, my children? Man, you know you've been great. Uh, you've been great on social media. You've you've shared some clips like where you've been, Uh, you've been performing, you've been playing. And I know when we were kind of setting up this this interview, you know, you you'd mentioned like you had some con appearances coming up. Dave and I usually hit like five or six of these cons every every every year. Where you uh, where where can we see you next time? Like? Where you where? Uh? Where are you guys? Out of We're out Cincinnati. Oh, since you know Ohio. Okay, well, hopefully I'll do what's that big show there?

1:00:08 I've done it like around orhund Yeah, I hopefully'll go then right, let me look at it? Do I have any wow? If you do ithounds yet I do, we'd love to see you. Well. So so this year is like really slow because next year is the forty at the corn right right? Oh yeah, right? So the only one I'm doing right now this this October, which is usually like at least almost every weekend, right or whatever you usually is is a Phantasma con in uh in Connecticut at the Mohegan Sun Casino. Will be there on the twenty eighth. That's and I'm only there. I've done like a day, so that's that's it I's supposed to Usually it's like you do three days. I'm happy one day school with me. But next year is the is the Swan song Man. It's like fortieth anniversary. I've been doing conventions now for horror event is now for I don't know, over fifteen years. I think I think I go out on top. You know, I don't want to be one of those old dudes they got a wheelchair in you know that I can't stand up anymore. So you know, I mean, look, hey, they need the money.

1:01:15 Are they enjoy the enjoy the crowd and whatever? Cool do it? But I'm at I'm where, I'm like, I've had my run. It's been good. I'm ready to go off into the sunset. So so, but next year, it's never this has never happened before. Like I already have five shows booked for next year and it's October. Now, like that doesn't even that does happen. So I can tell you what those shows are if you want. Yeah, our listeners, I don't want to know this, Okay, So let's see what do I got here? I got March twenty second of the twenty fourth Days of the Dead in Chicago. Okay. I got May tenth and twelfth at in Colorado. What is that? Something?

1:02:01 Something Mountain Nightmares. It's another big show that These are all big shows. May seventeenth of the nineteenth at Spooky World in Florida, which is one of the biggest shows. I'm so I'm sorry about that. June twenty eighth and thirtieth and Phoenix at the Day Is of the Dead and Motor City Nightmares. July twenty sixth and twenty eighth in Detroit. So those are the ones I already know for next year, which is like not this time of year, I wouldn't have a clue what's happening next year yet. So so we go to motor City. So Courtney, we're gonna see We're gonna see you. Oh good, Yeah, good good. I think there's gonna be this this run for the middle half of the year and then a big run at the end of the year. So it's gonna be a lot of shows. It's gonna be a lot of shows, and yeah, I'm gonna try to figure out how to tie in some music stuff around around them, and also have a thing I'm working on where showing like our houses kind of things, Art House, thirty five, Men of Printed Corn do a Q and a band play VIP things beautiful. Yeah, that's that's that's kind of in the works as well, but I don't have those dates yet that that'll be kicking off in the new year to really kind of lock. I'm trying. I'm trying to work those around these other things. You know they have like you know rules, like you know you signed to do this con you know you can't be within four hundred miles in three months or you know some shit. So got to try to work it all out that everyone's happy. But you know, as much as I could tie in, you know, much as I could tie in, and you know, I want to be out there promoting this record. I mean that's that's as important to me so h if not

1:03:34 more, to be honest, So I'm gonna be you know, way we're gonna be doing the two Rings, and we don't have any dates on that yet either. The way we're gonna be doing is like you know, say, if we can get some big thing out in the West Coast and do like ten days up and down the West coast, get in the Midwest, like ten days in the Midwest, you know, like that, so that you know we can we can get in there, hit and run and get out, because it's like I can't. It's not like I can go fur to do like a fucking you know, two hundred and fifty shows right in the world, you know, a little leaner and meaner than that, you know, Yeah, seeing your schedule for that, because I would be interested in coming to that for sure. Cool. The best way to keep a track of that's going to be just joined the f Get on the Facebook page for the Courtney Gains group because that's where that's stuff will be posted. Yes, I'm telling you right now. The I'm telling you right now the idea that you're you're you're proposing like where you can watch watch Corn a couple of those left in the world. So you you presenting that giving us a little Q and A and playing and giving us some music that's intense. Man, that that's the woven win win. You know, I'm a you know this this kind of reminds me, you know, because we we went to Horror Hound earlier this year. It's a great show. I happened to, you know, I took a wrong turn and went down the hallway and ended up having a conversation with with Tommy Howe and yeah, yep, great guy.

1:05:00 And we you know, we we kind of talked mostly about his music, you know, because yeah, oh he's he's uh uh, it's fantastic. I'm talking well, you know, yeah, I mentioning it. I mentioned it now because like when I when I think of your music, I think of his music, and then you're talking about Corn thirty print. I'm like, Okay, you know it ain't my place. But now I'm thinking, let's get the tour where these guys are performing together, you know, maybe showing maybe maybe we see Korn, maybe we see the Hitcher and like, you know, sounds like you might have to produce an event of my friend. All right. Sounds like to me, Dave, Courtney Gaines is putting us to work. Man. We're doing all kinds of stuff and I dig it. Man, I'm I'm the master of people are like, you know what you should do. I'm like, yeah, guess, granny, do what you should do? Courtney? Can we can we talk a couple of questions about the about your film career. If you have time, let's do it. Absolutely. I appreciate all the music talk, but by all means you know, you're a movie thing. Let's talk movies. Let's talk folks.

1:06:11 Well, that's all the time we have for today. Join us this Friday when we conclude our interview with Courtney Gaines, where the focus will be on his films and he'll share some great behind the scenes stories. We'll see you then