Jan. 28, 2026

Phasers Set To Stun: Starfleet Academy S1. E3 - Vitus Reflux

Phasers Set To Stun: Starfleet Academy S1. E3 - Vitus Reflux
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Season 7Phasers Set To Stun

On Phasers Set To Stun, we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more!

This year marks the 60th anniversary of Star Trek and we've got an exciting new series to watch! Wayne, David, and Scott will be discussing plots, sharing their favorite characters, and revealing all the Easter eggs within Star Trek: Starfleet Academy!

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stunt.

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In this ongoing series from a film by podcast, we

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continue to show our love for every quadrant of the

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expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise,

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and much more. Plodding to Chris as always as your

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core Trek crew, I'm Scott Aufman.

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I'm David Burns, and I'm Wayne Whited.

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And in this episode, we're happy to continue our coverage

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of Starfleet Academy. In this episode, we're up to episode three,

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Vetus Reflux, written by Alex taub Kylie Rossiter and directed

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by Doug Arondiokowski. Apologies if I got those wrong. It's

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my first time with these. But speaking of new, this

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is obviously fresh out of the Phaser banks, so calling

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for a red alert on spoilers. If you haven't seen

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this latest episode, or actually this past week's episode, please

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go watch and come back to join us. All right,

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let's get right into it and break it down, Wayne,

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why don't you give a summary of this latest episode.

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Cadet Darren Rainey tries to prove himself and competes with

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the equally driven Genesis, while tensions rise between the Cadets

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and the rival War College through escalating pranks, Instructor Lura

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Thock pushes the cad that's hard and when Chancellor aches guidance,

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introduces them to the Ftus Reflux, a rare fungus sensitive

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to emotions. The rivalry intensifies when both schools fight for

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dominance in the Elite Calika team trials, leading to a

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secret late night match, which fails after Darren's reckless leadership

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and a stern intervention. After confiding in Jet Reno and

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confronting his strained family ties, Dream reconciles with Genesis and

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begins to understand the value of empathy and shared leadership.

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Thanks Wayne, I know that I have to I have

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to catch up with first reactions to this, and I

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got us say, Dave, in the last episode, your Hogwarts

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call was totally on point. I think it's exactly what

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Star Trek needs. New Blood, new ideas with respect and

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reverence to those that come before it. I love the

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Voyager Ties, even though I've not seen most of Voyager,

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but Robert Riccardo brings it every single time. The Little

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Prodigy odds, the attitude, the heart, it all reminds me

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of things like Lower Decks, and I think it's I

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think it's what Star Trek meets. So I'm one word

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with both of you on that. Yeah. Also the barefoot

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Captain vibe.

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The very casual captain vibe going on.

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She sits in, she sits in every seat like a

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cat claiming it, and it's there's a lot of like

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Dumbledore in this one especially, And yeah, with the Calica game,

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reminded me a lot of Gryffindor versus Slytherin. So anybody

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who's a fan of that kind of idea and you're

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looking throw away into Star Trek, I would say this

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is the way to go. Is that fair?

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Yeah?

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I mean even even with the Invita reflex plant, it's

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like her Bology and her Harry Potter. Yeah, you've got

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the screaming plants. I mean here here this is with

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with this repeating people, which I thought was hysterical, but

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I mean, yeah, this has got This is got Harry

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Potter written all over it, and I'm here for it, man,

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here for it.

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Yeah, Wayne, what were your first thoughts on this latest episode?

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Does it hold up with the rest of you the

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first two? Oh?

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Yeah, I mean I really liked the episode. I think

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I like the first two a little bit better. But

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you know, I'm not putting this downd because I really

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did enjoy this episode. It's really gets into the look

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of the academy and the students, and I like that,

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especially the difference between the two colleges. I know David

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and I talked about we were hoping that they would

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do more with War College, and I'm glad they did.

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But a lot of humor here, but there's also that

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strong message, which I really like. It's just so different

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from Star Trek. It really is something very, very different

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than what we've seen before.

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It's definitely a shock to the system for people who

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have been around Star Trek for sixty years. You know,

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it is a different take on it. And like Wayne,

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like you and I talked about last episode, it's what

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is needed this franchise to keep growing and make those changes.

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But I like the fact that we're with these young cadets,

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getting to know them, getting to watch them learn what

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you know, star Fleet is all about getting to know

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what their specialties are, and you know, down the road,

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because you know it's going to happen. Eventually, they're gonna

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be caught in the situations that they're gonna have to

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put these experiences into play because the crap's going to

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hit the fan. And I can't wait to see that

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because then you're really gonna start seeing these characters growing

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and helping each other because you know, even though you've

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got this rivalry between the War College and the academy,

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which is fun and I'm glad that they're doing this

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because again that brings a uniqueness to Star Trek, but

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you know, eventually they're going to have to help each

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other without question.

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Well yeah, well, I mean they're they're growing towards that.

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You know, last two episodes we saw the rivalry between

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each other in their own college, and they seem to

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in this episode come together and work very very well

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together to go against the War College. And I like

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that growth because we're seeing a lot of character growth

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in this series, and that's what it's perfect.

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Patience and growth, right, yeah, yeah, I mean it's a

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like this episode I think was a good look at

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how not with a lot of star Trek. It's kind

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of like the Weekly Crisis, right, the big thing that

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could be, you know, have big implications for a star system,

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if not the galaxy. But in this it's really just

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about looking at those different facets of Starfleet, right, the

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learning and the exploration. They're getting into that a lot more,

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which is a perfect way to analyze it, but also

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to rebuild the Federation or rebuild I guess rebuilding both, right, yeah,

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because not everybody is excited to be there. I mean,

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Caleb seems like he's basically serving out his sentence until

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he's ready to leave. Raymie has very different ideas about

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what Starfleet should be. It almost seems like he's kind

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of maybe more fit for war College, at least in

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the beginning of this episode. But I think it's an

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interesting way to look at Starfleet Academy at a time

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when it's not everybody thinking that Starfleet is wonderful, not everything,

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but you're thinking in the Federation is perfect, but seeing

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the potential for it, wanting to build it into their

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own thing.

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I think that's the unique twist on it right there.

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You know, back in the old days, you know which week,

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I guess we can say that now, back in the

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old days compared with this, Yeah, yeah, but you know,

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back then Starfleet was established, you knew what was going on,

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you know, the Prime Directive, you had all of that

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stuff going. And I'm not saying they're throwing Prime Directive

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out the door or anything like that, because we really

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haven't got to that point here in the academy. But

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you definitely feel a different vibe going on with Starfleet. Yes,

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you know, the rebuilding, but you're definitely feeling because they

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have got a war college now, which Starfleet back in

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nowadays would not had that at all because they didn't

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believe in that. Granted it was a necessity at times,

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but they would have to you know, push themselves into

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that that you know, at times they weren't prepared for it.

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But now they realize that that's something that they have

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to have.

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But I still don't think they're going to push that

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agenda saying, hey, you know, we're just going to be

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a war mongering organization. That's not the case. They still

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want peace and all that kind of thing. But they

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know that they have to have that sitting there. But

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one of the things I love about this is the

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fact they realized how good Lower Decks worked with its comedy,

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with its characters, that they've pulled that into this And

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you can definitely see the already development of these characters

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in the comedy between them is exactly what was in

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Lower Decks. So I'm glad they realized that was working

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and that's what the fans want, and they're putting it

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in this too.

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Yeah, I mean it's it's it makes it a lot

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more attractive and approachable for a broader audience, right, And

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it also, you know, takes the piss out of it

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a little bit, so that it's not having to treat

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everything so seriously and making somebody think that in order

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to get Star Trek, I need to start way back

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at og go through catalogs of everything just to be

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ready to watch this. You really don't. I mean, it would,

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it would be beneficial if you did, but it's not

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really necessary. I think that's one of the helpful things.

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And yeah, it doesn't seem like it's it's trying to

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reach into Hey, we did a you know, Kirk's grandson

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is here or the latest generation of Spock or anything

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else like that. There's little drips and drabs of it,

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but it doesn't lean into it too much.

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Well, I think you hit the core what they're trying

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to do with this series. I mean, there's a lot

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of stigma with the Star Trek, and when it comes

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to new viewers, you know, there's you know, sixty years,

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there's a lot of stuff to do again, and if

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you look back at the other series, lots of continuity,

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new new fans would be really tough getting into it.

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And I think they're trying to make this They're still

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trying to make it so that us old time fans

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still love going and watching it. Old timers, old timers, Yeah,

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that's it. But they want to they want to bring

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in the new audience, which they really need. Star Trek needs.

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It needs that bad and I think I think this

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they're succeeding.

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At least I hope they are.

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I don't know what the ratings are, of course they

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haven't announced as yet, but I mean this series is

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so well constructed towards getting new viewers in. I hope

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that it does. I hope they're able to succeed with's

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what they're trying to do.

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Well.

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One thing is for sure, they're definitely loose with the

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language that Star Trek never used to have. I mean,

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just her throwing around shit like it's nothing. I'm like, wow,

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that's kind of weird to hear that in Star Trek,

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like it's common practice. You don't hear that a lot,

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but it is. It's it's it's in the dialect here,

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and I'm okay with it, to be honest with you.

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It needs to catch up to the modern times, which

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is kind of funn you're talking about it as well

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in the future.

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But that's besides.

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But you know another thing that I liked that they did,

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and I know Lower Decks did it too, and I

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know I keep referring to Lower Decks, but it makes sense,

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the whole co ed thing. I mean, they're all in

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the locker room, showers and stuff, and they're doing co

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ed That's something you wouldn't see in Star Trek either,

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back in the back.

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In the days. And it works though here.

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You know, seeing Genesis barely dressed, I'm okay with, by

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the way, but Sam here barely dressed. I mean, that's

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something you really wouldn't see, you would see that in

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JJ Abrams Star Trek. Yes, I know we saw that

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kind of thing, but in a TV series for Star Trek,

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no way.

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But there was a lot more skin this time what

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there absolutely was.

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But it makes sense because you're dealing with young kids.

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You know, I'm not young kids, but you know, you're

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dealing with you know, college age kids, and it just

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it just feels like it needs to happen, if that

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makes any kind of sense.

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And I mean it's it's I mean, I guess pun intended.

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It's kind of a dressing down. It mhm to say

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this is not the you know, Captain Picard had very

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refined kind of you know, approach to things, and everything

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had to be buttoned up. I think if it's so stiff,

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it's going to be hard for people to get into.

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It's very much more approachable now, and I think it's yeah,

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it's going to be helpful for for younger viewers, especially

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to want to get into it. But I think it's

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also helpful to say to current viewers, this is Star

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Trek moving into the future.

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It's definitely give me a new look and outlook on

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Starfleet Academy. I think back to the time that when

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Wesley was in Starfleet, way that had to be boring

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compared in these episodes. Oh that was a boring time.

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Well it was. It's probably a lot of like you know,

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they wrong with it, but like you know, Shakespeare classes

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and you know, symposiums on tea, you know, everything that

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was very high brow refined. Now that this is low bro.

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But it's like it's it's it's not taking itself so

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seriously that it becomes just this, you know, unreachable kind

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of thing to a lot of people. I think the

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addition of is it Captain.

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Ak Yeah, okay, Nala walking.

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Around with you know, foot coverings but basically barefoot, and

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you know that kind of feels like the kind of

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vibe and approach they're going for, very relatable, very casual,

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still taking it seriously when it needs to be taken seriously,

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but just knowing that, like, these are kids and we're

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trying to build something here, and if we don't have

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them bought in, we're not going to have it.

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I want to go back to another thing, Scott, that

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you mentioned that you felt like not Nala was kind

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of like Dumbledore. I want to bring that back here

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for one thing, and that's when Nala and thought, we're

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having that conversation in her office. Yeah, and you know,

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they basically had that understanding of her telling like a

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coded language to.

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Of what she was doing.

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And if you weren't really listening to their dialogue, you

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weren't realizing that Nalla was basically saying, I'm going to

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help them beat the war college, but not let them

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know that I'm helping them. So that's exactly what Dumbledore does.

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And did the same thing with the same thing with

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the the I don't remember what it was, but the

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time thing that he gave.

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Hermione, remember the time turner.

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It's the same thing.

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He's telling her not to use that, but like, go

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use it to make it work. And she does the

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same thing here, giving the kids the tools, here the

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plant and putting the little seeds around and planning in their.

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Heads so it looks like it's their idea. It was brilliant.

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Yes, yep, absolutely agree. Yeah, just that little bit of mischief,

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that little bit of whimsy that makes it still fun

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and makes it their idea. She's not giving them blueprints

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for it. She's saying, like there might be a re

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in wink wink, Well, I told you all these things. Uh,

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there's the interesting little, you know, demolition man moment with

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replicated eyeball. That was kind of that was kind.

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Of I thought that was pretty cool. I was a neat,

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neat way of going around their little obstacle.

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Yeah, what I thought you were going to bring up

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was the moment with Thok where Thalk talks about the

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reason that she did not go with Keelric. That was

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a lot of interesting depth and like the three thing,

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the three reasons why she didn't, And I love I

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love Holly Honder's portrayal. Here she's like, well, what's the

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third reason? Like she's kind of such a like relatable,

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like just a tinge of a twang. I just I

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don't know. I think she's doing an amazing job. I

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love her, love Thalk, love the entire cast. They're doing great.

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There's so many characters that I love. And I tell you,

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we're only in the three episodes into this season, and

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like every every episode, I'm like looking into these characters

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if I what are they going to do? That makes

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me love them even more? And I'm telling you, Sam

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continues to grow on me, Like it's unbelievable how much

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she grows on me. The scene where she's like, what

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they're teaching them how to play Kalika and they're like

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so so like like laser tag, right, and then it

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cuts to.

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Her like it's not like laser tag. Yeah, yeah, so much.

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Just the innocence of Sam continues to impress me, and

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how she's just exploring this world, exploring friends and just

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you know, getting to know things for the first time.

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I love seeing it through her eyes.

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I really do, absolutely agree. I was. I was skeptical

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about Sam's character. I was like, how is this going

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to go? Knowing that she's a photonic right, great idea

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to have this kind of character with Robert Piccardo in tow,

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but he's got this reluctant mentor he's like, oh no,

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we don't have to talk. It's okay. But her moment

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of that saying like this is not like laser Tag,

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and then Lenny into it realized, can wait a second,

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I'm permeable, right, but I canna be like vision out there.

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This is what I was afraid of the first place.

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You know. Yeah, she's she's that other end of the

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spectrum where you have Caleb who's like, I will serve

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my time then GTFO and she's like, no, this is amazing.

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Everything is amazing. I want to learn about everything. Yeah,

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you need that kind of enthusiasm. It's that she's the

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kind of the the most youthful aspect of it, but

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she still kicks but when she needs to.

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Just the only downside I would say about this episode

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is that I really miss seeing Robert Riccardo.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

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Mean I understand we needed an episode that really developed

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the kids.

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We really did.

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They were not really kids or college age, I guess,

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but you know what I'm talking about. So I'm hope,

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you know, they needed to do that. So I understand

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why he's not in this episode, but I hope that

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they do an episode this season that where he is

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central to the plot, maybe with so we can learn

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more about his character and maybe a little bit more

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about what had happened in the last you know, thousand

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years or justin you know, well eight hundred years. You know,

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I want to hear more from him.

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We love him, Yeah, absolutely, we do.

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Awesome, So can we talk how awesome the phasers are

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that transports people in Calica.

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That's awesome. That was awesome. That's aesthetic.

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Really, that's a brilliant idea.

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It's a brilliant idea.

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Well, that whole scene was incredible.

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It was Yeah, it's really used a great effect, like

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in the where are they in the Atrium? Yeah, at

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that point with our breadam.

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Atrium college am Yeah.

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Yeah, that last idea that they had with the mascot

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fake out when it was Sam and person naming the Yeah.

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I also like the bigger message because when we talked

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about like Captain n Allah being a different kind of

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captain or chancellor, this whole episode about being realizing that

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a captain isn't about being the best or about being perfect,

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and seeing Raymie's approach to that kind of reminded me

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of what's the character out of Spider Man No Way

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Home is it? Flash, who's kind of like waiting around

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for his parents that never show up. So he has

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all these perfect, perfect ideas that have been set up

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by his parents, but he never hears from them, and

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he's always trying to chase their approval. He and Genesis

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being kind of different size of the same coin, but

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her understanding that it's about being a leader, helping your

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team and understanding your team. We heard a lot about

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empathy and some previous A series I forget if it

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was Discovery or Strange New Worlds, one of the two

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that lean into that, like understanding your team is the

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most important thing, not about being this perfect you know,

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can't be touched leader.

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You know that's Strangely Worlds. I was really strong running

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through that series.

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Yeah, so I love that they pulled that back through here.

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Aside from that, the fact that I think those jackets

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were amazing, they were one of those really really one

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one of those.

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Yeah, I'm sure it would be available for the.

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Oh yeah, Actually, so.

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Of all the crew members, we've talked about a lot

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that stood out, but which one way, and let's start

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with you which one shined the most for you?

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Well, you know, it was really hard to pick between

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Rainy and Genesis because they're obviously the main players in

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this episode. But I'm actually gonna go for Nawa.

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Okay.

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It's just her subtle hints and and you know the

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way she she drops those the things there, she's the

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one actually manipulating the students, you know, pulling the strings

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to get them to do the right thing learning the lessons.

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I thought that was brilliant. I I think Holly Hunter

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is brilliant in this series. It's just great the relationship

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that she's developing with these students. So she's proven to

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be my favorite character in this series so far, and

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that's saying a lot because there's a lot of really

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good characters here.

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Absolutely, Dave, what about you?

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I have to go with Remy on this one because

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he reminds me a lot of Steve from Stranger Things.

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You know, he's being the jock and thinking he's always

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the leader until eventually he's put into place. He's coming

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to realize Genesis is a better leader and understands, and

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he does that. He finally comes to that realization in

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this episode and makes that step back. But I love

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the scene between the two of them when he confronts

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her and says, look, I'm gonna be honest with you

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and open, and I'm going to tell you exactly that

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time where he was a kid and he was playing

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the instrument for his parents and he missed a note

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and they left before he was even done.

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You know, your heart really broke for him.

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But I feel like the way they're moving his character is,

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like I said, just like they did with Steve. How

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he's going to completely change and turn the opposite direction

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what you're expecting, and that's what I hope they do

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it because that would make me like the character even more,

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and you can see that's happening already in this episode.

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So yeah, I think he will. He's shine the most

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in my opinion.

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What about you, Scott, I totally agree with both of yours,

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and I guess as kind of a not an opposite side,

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but a flip side of that. I was going to

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pick Genesis because of her discussion with Raymie after they

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you know, figure out who is now captain and he's

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kind of like, all right, yeah, that screwed up, and

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so on and so forth. The way that she handled

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that afterward was the kind of leader that I think

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they need, somebody who is going to be accepting and

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say like, yeah, I hear you. That doesn't mean that

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you know you're totally out or that you're at the

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back of the ship or whatever. You've got something to learn,

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just like all of us do. So let's get into

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this and figure out where we need to go. I

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think that the dichotomy of those two characters is very,

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very clever, So yeah, I'd go with Genesis.

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All three good choices for this Yeah.

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Absolutely so a similar question, who would you want to

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be in this episode?

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Wayne, Well, I chose this time.

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I chose Rainy because, you know, because the lessons learned

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just how much funny he looks like they're all having

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great fun at starfleyt Academy. But you know, when he

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first appeared in the pilot of the first episode, I

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I thought his character was just going to give me

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your typical chock character that's not really that important, just

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there to be an antagonist, you know, to to.

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Be a bully, do the wrong thing the bully.

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Yeah that's the mouth. Yeah, that's what it.

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Looked like they were leading up to. But this episode

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proves that I was completely wrong about that character. And

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the way he finally does learn his lesson and hands

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over to Genesis was really brilliant writing and bring it acting,

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And I think I'm starting to really adhere to that character.

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So I chose.

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Him, David, what about you?

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So I'm flipping the table, so I know Wayne picked

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Nala for his for a characters on the most, I'm

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picking Nala to be the character that I want to

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be because she's getting to show her leadership skills, by

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having fun doing it, by doing it her way, no

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one else's way, you know, planning the seed to the

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cadets will think it when you know, making it, think

468
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it's their own. But at the same time, reliving her

469
00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:35.480
younger days through them. I mean, who who doesn't want

470
00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:36.960
to do that? I mean, Scott, I'm sure you want

471
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:38.519
to do that with your kids, you know, see it

472
00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:41.920
through their ads, you know. So Nala getting to do

473
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.400
that with her students just makes me so happy and

474
00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.000
to getting to see her to be relieved a little

475
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:48.880
bit from the pressure she had in the first two

476
00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.799
episodes because of especially the first episode of you know

477
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.599
what she did that put her, you know, retiring from

478
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:56.680
Starfleet and that kind of thing. And you know, her

479
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.160
relationship with with Caleb, which is still going strong, which

480
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.359
I love by the way that they're continuing to do

481
00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:03.519
that that he comes to her office and they still

482
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:04.559
have that one on one.

483
00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.400
I love that. But I really feel like I would

484
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:09.440
love to have been her character in this because of that.

485
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.599
Yeah, But you I mean, I think I think it's

486
00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:14.640
cool that Alli Hunter gets to walk to walk around

487
00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:21.079
barefoot on for me, I think those are great answers.

488
00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:24.839
I leaned into Sam having having a lot of fun

489
00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:31.160
as a permeable photonic like the mascot switchery like I

490
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:33.920
talked about before out in the battlefield where a shot

491
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:35.559
goes through her and she's like, there's nothing in the

492
00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:39.079
rules saying that I can't be permeable, And when she

493
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:44.000
goes kind of uh sprintsing the vitis under all the doors,

494
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:46.279
she has that moment where she puts on this growling

495
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.359
affect to her voice. Nobody's around here, but she just

496
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:51.839
doesn't to be fun. It seems like she had a

497
00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:52.880
lot of fun in this one.

498
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:54.119
Yep, good joy.

499
00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:58.119
Yeah, so I want to call out a couple of

500
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:02.200
Easter eggs I noticed, and I know I want to.

501
00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:03.799
I want to toss it up to both of you

502
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:11.400
because I know that it's especially Wayne's domain. Get So,

503
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:14.079
drones and names are the only two things I wanted

504
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:18.599
to get into. One a question where the drones meant

505
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:22.599
to replicate the ones looking that we saw in Insurrection.

506
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:25.799
I'm glad you brought that up because I'm not sure

507
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.640
if they they intended it, but they are very similar.

508
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.400
They do the same thing. They kind of even looked

509
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:33.200
the same. So yeah, it has to be. It has

510
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:33.519
to be.

511
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:34.519
I agree.

512
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:38.759
I think it does, especially with the transporter Phasers because

513
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:43.759
they essentially did the same kind of thing. Interesting. Also,

514
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.400
some wall, some names I saw on the wall, and

515
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.640
I'm sure that the you know, interwebs have already plastered

516
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.400
this up and down the sideways. But a couple that

517
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:55.319
stood out to me. Two writers. I saw Captain Peter

518
00:26:55.440 --> 00:27:00.359
David mm hmm. I saw Admiral Tawnie Newsome m mm hm,

519
00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:04.440
and some names that I didn't want to see because

520
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.920
of their ranks. And I don't know if it means something,

521
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:11.960
but I saw Commander Pellia, Lieutenant Erica Ortegas, and Lieutenant

522
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:17.480
on Nudi and sing mm hmm. So please please tell

523
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.799
me that doesn't mean that they Oh it does, damn it,

524
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:21.759
I have to.

525
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:27.440
I wanted to bring attention to that too, because you know,

526
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.319
I have a feeling we're looking at impossible hints to

527
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:33.400
the future of some of these characters.

528
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:35.759
Yep, I really do, that's the thought.

529
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.920
Yeah, well, maybe they move on to other things. I

530
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:40.799
would just maybe.

531
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:42.960
Not that much, right, Yeah, you know, maybe they that's

532
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.119
just when they left, they left to go do better

533
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:46.359
things or whatever.

534
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:47.119
So we don't know.

535
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.000
Put they pulled a dol on. They're working at a

536
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:50.920
preschool on Bajor. That's what they're doing.

537
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:51.680
That's true.

538
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.240
I mean Harry Kim was an ensign for decades and

539
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.359
then eventually became what an admiral.

540
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.200
So yeah, so there you go, you know what, jump

541
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:01.119
all right?

542
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:02.200
Day?

543
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:03.440
Have any east eche put?

544
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:05.640
The only thing, the only thing that I really caught

545
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.519
was the tri Quarders that were sitting in the office

546
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.079
and and the ships. I know Wayne had mentioned that

547
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.680
one in the previous episode that were sitting on the

548
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:17.319
shelves behind Nala in her office. I know there was

549
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:20.359
like for the ships there was like the Galaxy of

550
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:24.720
the Excelsior and NX class Defiant over any Intrepid class ships,

551
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.880
uh were there. And then for the tri Quarders, I

552
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:31.319
think there was the there was a Universal Translator, a

553
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:35.559
Discovery tri Quorder, and an Enterprise Universal Translator and communicator

554
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.440
were on her shelves. So I just thought, this was

555
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:40.599
it's kind of cool they're doing those nice little touches

556
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:40.839
like that.

557
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:43.920
Yeah, and there was I did happen to catch it

558
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.279
in n XO one in the USS Enterprise as well.

559
00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:46.759
With the models.

560
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.440
This is probably that shot in the office was probably

561
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:51.079
the best shot we've had so far. So yeah, it

562
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.720
was so easy to see all the different things. There

563
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:55.880
was also an EVA helmet from Discovery as well.

564
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:58.599
Policy was like looking in the background.

565
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:04.119
But it's it's so interesting like for me because I,

566
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:09.400
you know, grew up on Well, grew up on Peter

567
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:13.240
David's incredible Hulk run and Future Imperfect is just like

568
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:17.880
an absolute standout. And there's so many like Maestro Trophy

569
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:21.759
Room moments in this that I love because it's not like, hey, everybody,

570
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:23.359
here's an astrig it's way out in your face, but

571
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.799
you have to kind of like pause and check for it. So, Wayne,

572
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:28.920
what did we What else did we miss? Well?

573
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:30.440
I got two more that I want to add up,

574
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.720
but well, actually the first one I want to mention

575
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:36.279
is that title card. At the end of the episode,

576
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:40.880
the honored the late Carlo Meniari. She was a member

577
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.880
of the costume department for a Star Trek Discovery and

578
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:46.759
for some of the Star Trek Short Trek episodes. She

579
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:50.680
served as the costume costume cutter for those series, which

580
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.519
you know, when the costume designer would make the pattern,

581
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.119
they would cut the pieces of fabric out so that

582
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.480
the series costumes we've made. She also worked on American

583
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.359
Gods and what we do in the Shadows. She passed

584
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:06.119
away back in September twenty twenty four after battling cancer,

585
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.119
so it was really nice for them to dedicate this

586
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:12.960
episode to her. And then also, I love the two

587
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.759
mascot costumes. So let me point out those two species

588
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:18.599
because I didn't really get into it in the last episode.

589
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.400
First we had them with got To and they first

590
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.920
appeared in the original series episode of Private Little War.

591
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.920
And we're also seen mating on top of that log

592
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.880
that Boimler was hiding in on the Lower Decks episode

593
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.119
I Got Toumatsu, which is one of my favorite episodes.

594
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.319
If you haven't seen that, go watch it now. The

595
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:39.400
laplings are this are a single lapling actually was seen

596
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:42.400
on the Next Generation episode The Most Toys, but here

597
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.519
it's described as a fuzzy, mean like a Koala, and

598
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:46.640
cute like a targ.

599
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:47.880
I love that description.

600
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:51.359
It fits it perfect from what we saw before.

601
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:50.839
Ye.

602
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.200
Well, I love the mascots. I think that the great idea.

603
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:57.960
All those costumes were great. I thought that was fantastic.

604
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:04.799
Yeah, well, who was it? Uh sadal Oakum that got

605
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:09.200
recruited to be the yeah, the mascot, and it was

606
00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.000
just like, well, it just fit the costume and he

607
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:12.039
was like, oh, I'm so excited.

608
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:14.519
There was that Terrimu's brother in't it?

609
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.559
Yeah? Yeah, Well, I can't wait till the next episode.

610
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.119
I think it's going in a great direction. I can't

611
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.000
see where they go. Wait, I can't wait to see

612
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:28.480
where they go next with it. And I hope that

613
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:32.680
Paramount invests in continuing to lean into this direction.

614
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.200
Because they've already renewed season two.

615
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:35.000
Good.

616
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:39.119
Yeah, it's it's that's already happening. And Wayne correct me

617
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:41.720
if I'm wrong, But did I not hear a rumor

618
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:43.440
somewhere that Star Trek fans are going to be a

619
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:44.640
static for episode four?

620
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.839
Yes, that's what they stand down. It's especially people who

621
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:50.240
were fans of Deep Space nine.

622
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:51.079
That's what that's weird.

623
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.759
I couldn't find anything else about this next episode, not

624
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:57.279
even a title. No, I could not dig it out. Yeah.

625
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.480
Interesting, Well, we're fresh off Deep Space Night, so it

626
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:03.720
should be a good well pay off for that.

627
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:06.240
It does need some love because, let's admit it, once

628
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.440
Deep Space Night was gone, the characters just disappeared.

629
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.400
I mean, I know lower decks gave a little love,

630
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:12.400
but the rest of starter for it. Come on, now,

631
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.240
let's give a little love. Keep space, time for crying

632
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:14.680
out loud.

633
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.839
Agree, I've got my I've got my fingers crossed for

634
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.440
some kind of Cisco connection, so we'll see what happens

635
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.559
might be. Who knows, Oh yeah, oh yeah, it'd be

636
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:31.359
great to see Quarks still running things. Oh all right, well, gentlemen,

637
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.200
thank you both. As always, we'll be back for another episode,

638
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:37.839
uh next week, So listeners, we hope you come back

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647
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:02.839
We'll see you next time. For phasers, set to stuff.

648
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:04.400
I'm going to meditate on it.

649
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.480
What do you meditate on? The competition?

650
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:09.319
Competition