March 25, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Woman In Motion

Phasers Set To Stun: Woman In Motion
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Season 6 Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at television shows, animation, movies, and much more! To celebrate Women's History Month, our crew welcomes A Film By... Podcast cohost, Amber Lewis, to the bridge. Get set for a discussion about an inspirational documentary about Nichelle Nichols, who played a pivotal role in diversifying NASA's astronaut corps with her campaign to recruit women and minorities! Woman In Motion is a must-see for all Trek fans!

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stun.

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In this ongoing series from a film by podcast, we

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continue to show our love for every quadrant of the

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expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors,

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and much more. Plot in the course, as always, is

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your core track crew.

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I'm Scott Hoffmann, I'm David Burns and.

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And for today's mission, we're also joined by fellow Trek

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fan and one of our favorite voices on our favorite podcasts,

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Amber Lewis.

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Welcome, Ehra, Thank you, it's exciting to be here.

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Yes, welcome on board.

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In this episode, we're taking a look at an outstanding

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Trek focused documentary that goes beyond the fiction and fandom

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to talk about the influence and impact of an icon.

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We're talking about Woman in Motion, a film about the

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life of the legendary Michelle Nichols and the remaking of

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NASA released in twenty nineteen, written by Joe Millan, John McCall,

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Benjamin Krupp and directed by Todd Thompson. This features a

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lot of different perspectives, including Michelle Nichols herself from various

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points in time. Alrius, everybody, h let's break this down.

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There's no spoiler alert because if you want to see

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this documentary, just go and see it. Dave, why don't

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you give us a summary of what this movie.

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Is all about?

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An inspiring story about Michelle Nichols, who is not only

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Lieutenant o' horror culture icon, but also does something that

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many are not aware of. It is someone who changed

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the space program forever. Michelle takes on the enormous task

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to launch a national campaign for NASA to recruit eight

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thousand of the best and brightest, becoming someone who leads

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the charge to bring women and minorities into the space program.

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This film surprised me oh so much, and I'd love

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to hear from everybody on that. I knew that I

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was going to learn some interesting things, but I had

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no idea what I was in for.

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Amber.

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What was your first reaction to see in this Well?

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I had to watch it a couple of times because

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my first reaction was how many times I cried throughout it?

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It was surprisingly emotional, But just the richness of her

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life just you know, her early life was something I

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didn't know anything about, so that was fascinating. And then

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just seeing someone who found themselves in a position to

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have a voice and to use that voice, and who

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wasn't afraid to stand up and say, you know, where

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are my people? What are you guys doing? Yeah, was

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just just amazing to me. She's just fascinating.

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Yeah.

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I mean, on the surface, you know, just reading the

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box of it, so to speak, it might seem like

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it's the life and times of Michelle Nichols and that

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she was involved in the NASA Space program. It is

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so much more than that, you way, way much more

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And I love to your point of the fact that

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we get this rich story that tells us so much

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more about her. Dave, what was your first reaction?

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Well, I didn't know any of this. Surprisingly, as a

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big of a star Trek fan I am. I had

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no clue that the show had done all of this.

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I knew I knew that, you know, going back to

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her history and stuff like that, and her you know,

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meeting Gene Ron Berry.

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I knew a lot of that stuff, and I.

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Knew that, you know, she came up with the name Ahura,

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But what she did for the NASA program, I guess

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I've been on an island somewhere by myself because I

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wasn't aware of everything that she did to change that program.

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And I was just enthralled by this, this film, this documentary,

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and just like Amber said, how rich her life was.

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And one of the things that really struck me hard is.

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When how proud her father was of her and said

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that you're you're you're going to make a difference in

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this world.

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You're going to be my actor. And you know, she.

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Made that as a child that she wanted to make

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a difference in the in the world, and she didn't

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think she was going to be able to do that.

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But did she ever do it?

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And she even convinced that that she did finally realize

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that she made a difference, And my god, did she

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ever make it, not just in the program, but everything

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else that she was for the minorities and women, all

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that kind of things.

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It's a fascinating documentary, it really is.

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Wayne. What about you?

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Well, I did know about it, but of course you know,

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we were like really really young when that happens, so

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I didn't know about it at the time. But I

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think I learned about her in the whole bit with

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NASA back in the early ninety or not late nineties.

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I believe it was through magazines, but not in the

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in depth that this documentary went to. But I love

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how it went not only into her background, you know,

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her time with Duke Ellington, her acting career, not just

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Star Trek, because that's a lot of stuff that I

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didn't know that. I mean I only knew through like

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little facts that I had seen on the internet, but

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to actually hear the voice from her, which brings me

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to my Probably the one point that I'm glad about

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the most is that I'm glad that they made this

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documentary while she was still alive. Yeah, absolutely, yes, so

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that she had input and she got to see this,

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because seeing her on this documentary was the highlight of it.

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I mean, she's such a fascinating one.

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Well, I think it's important for women and for black

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women to stand up and say these are the things

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I did not, you know, not to like kind of

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hide behind the modesty that we're all told we're supposed

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to to have and the humility and it's bragging and

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whatever like. But to stand up and say no, I

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did that, she.

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Didn't get much recognition. I mean, can any of you

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remember hearing or seeing about this. The reason I knew

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about it was, and this is very obscure, as back

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in the late nineties, I was buying old issues of

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Starlog magazine from back the souventies and they had some

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ride ups. But other than that, I've not seen anything

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until this documentary was starting to be made. So you know,

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it's glad. I'm glad she's able to get that recognition.

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Now. Yeah, well we get to see her present day

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as of you know, when it was made, obviously, but

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it's so seamlessly kind of woven through the different times

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in her life when she's kind of reflecting about what

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she had done. They did a great job of bulling

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forward archive audio, archive video that kind of goes through

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her life, her perspective from different points in her life.

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But yeah, she was.

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She was captivating to listen to when she was talking

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about all the things that she had done. And yeah,

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it's it's a it's a critical documentary to have even exist. Obviously,

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if you're a Star Trek fan, It's it's mind blowing

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to see how much of an influence this continues to

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have today. But specifically Michelle herself, we already knew she

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was incredible, just didn't know to what depth. There were

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a lot of interesting things to learn in this one amber.

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What were some of the things that stood out to you,

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Things that you kind of discovered that you hadn't known before.

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I was so young when the Shuttle program began that

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it was all about the excitement of the Shuttle program,

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and you know, we were getting this new vehicle to

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take us into space. So I didn't really know a

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lot about the problems that they had recruiting and this

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sort of irony that you know, Nachelle Nichols starts talking

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to these potential candidates and they were like, they're not

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gonna hire us, Like why would we apply because NASA

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does not care? And so fighting through that, and you

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know the moment when she she told NASA like, if

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I go to all this trouble and you only hire

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white men like you and I are going to have

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a serious problem and it's going to be very public.

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Was just fascinating to me that she would stand up

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and say that, because that was kind of the attitude,

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was like they didn't want minorities, they didn't want women.

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And when they turned around and said, hey, listen, we'll

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take anybody, you know, they didn't believe them.

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It exploded, Yes, like it blossomed into so much more,

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like she recruited what it went.

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From in eight Yeah, in eight months. I wrote this

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down because it just blew me away. In eight months,

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NASA had only gotten one thousand, five hundred applications, one

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hundred were women, thirty five were minorities. After Michelle Nichols

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did her campaign, they had eight thousand applications, one thousand,

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six hundred and forty nine were women, over a thousand

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were minority. And she did that in four months.

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Yea and half the four months.

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Yeah, yeah, that's what blew my mind that you know,

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it seems like something that would take years and years,

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but four months is just amazing what she did well.

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And it was her integrity, Like she told NASA, I'm

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not going to be your mascot and just stand up

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and make a stump speech that you write for me,

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like I will do it myself and speak from my truth.

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And that's how we're going to do this, if we're

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going to do it.

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she was talking about that idea of making sure that

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it wasn't seen as a gimmick, when she said, oh, no,

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not me. They'll laugh at you if you pick me,

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and that person's not if they hear you speak for

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five minutes. Wow, And it's it's true. Like everything that

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she poured into her character, Dave, you mentioned that she

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not only named her, but she when she was having

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that first reading and wanted to know more about the

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character of Spock, assuming that that was you know, is

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that a character that I'm reading for? And they said, well, no,

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you're reading for somebody else who hasn't been named yet,

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her or whatever it is, and she's like, but I

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still need to know about Spock. I still need to

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know more about this, right. So she was even then

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kind of opening up what they would what they would

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do with the character and taking so much control over

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it and nothing that bled over into the influence that

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she had on the on Nasa and the outside world

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to help drive this stuff forward. There were some things

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that you learned in this So the biggest the biggest.

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Thing that I learned that I thought was very fascinating

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was her wanting to put in her resignation for Star

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Trek because she got tired of the whole Haley Frequencies

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open and that that you know, she was, she was

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exhausted of it, and that's not why she took that role.

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She wanted to be something bigger on that bridge. And

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I get it, I truly do. And it was the

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whole doctor Martin Luther King's story when they said that

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someone you have a guesser who wants to meet you,

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and she basically was like, I don't want to meet

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your body.

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I don't want to see anybody.

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And then she she turned to find out who it

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was and the fact that he told her that that's

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the Star Trek is the only show that he let

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his children watch, and well, she said, well, I just,

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you know, kind of resigned playing a horror and he

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basically stopped her from doing that and and told her

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the reasons, you know, you don't understand the effect you're having,

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even just being on that bridge and saying those Haleing

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frequencies open, the effects you're having on the minorities, on

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black people. You don't understand what that's doing. You know,

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she went back and decided to stay there, and she

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never regretted it.

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Well, and to that point, the fact that she instead

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of leaving the show, she again even further and said,

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look at the influence that I'm having. Look at the

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opportunity that this is to so many people, especially the

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doctor Martin Luther King Junior.

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Right.

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I love the writer that said, you know, she may

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not be saying a lot, but the minute that Ahura says,

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excuse me, captain, like everybody shuts up and listens to

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what she has to say, and just that is a

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powerful thing.

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Absolutely yeah.

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Well, and you know it expands that role too of

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communications officer, right like it it may have been something

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that was written out if it hadn't been for the

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way that she approached it and the way that she

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dug into what it could do. And we're seeing that

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impact today with one of our favorite characters on Strange

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New Worlds. He continues to be exceedingly important. I love

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the fact that in that meeting we learned not only

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how much of that, how much doctor King knew that

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it was important to people in general into moving diversity

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forward and getting people into the program that needed to

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be there, but also you know, giving people the confidence

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and the voice to say like I can be seen,

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I can be heard, and I have a place. But

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it's also so important to his family. Like I thought

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it was interesting how we heard from was it his son, Yes,

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that had said we didn't really have a lot of

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time with them, but TV times Star Trek was important,

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and it's like, that's deeply personal, and I could just

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imagine like the way that she talked about that and

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said like he kind of stopped and froze and got

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very serious and he was like, wait a second, You've

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got to stay on board. That's give me goosebumps. But yeah,

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I love that.

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A lot of the stories, the Star Trek stories are

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are pretty much common knowledge to anyone that's followed her

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and known from her toxic conventions and stuff. But what

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I learned, what I found most interesting, was know Michelle

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Nichols herself and how much of a strong personality she has.

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Her impact on the Space Shuttle program was just huge,

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and it's it's a lot due to what type of

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woman she is. You know, she she's not just an actress.

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You know, she's She's got a lot of strength to

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her personality and I'm certain that's why they chose her.

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And just listening to her talk.

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About everything that she did, you know, everything that she

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required uh NASA to to give her for this, it's

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just absolutely amazing. I mean, she dedicated herself to the cause.

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She gave up her career. It put it completely on

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pause right then. You know, she she even successfully piloted

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the space of the shuttle simulator. You know, she she

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didn't want to just be a spokesperson, you know, a

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figurehead and you know, an actress that's that's just you know,

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being there there their model. She wanted to actually be

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involved in it and find out exactly what you know,

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was needed, what was being asked. I just I just

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love that story and I love her. I mean, just

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listening to her is a highlight of this documentary that

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any Star Trek fan should watch this for.

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Yeah, I mean, like, it's interesting you mentioned her putting

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her career on pause. She had aspirations of being a

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dancer and a singer, and she was no slouch with

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that because she was performing with Duke Ellington and even

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from then knew that she wanted to be in control

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of who she was going to be and not letting

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anybody else tell her what that was going to be.

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That's that blows me away. And hearing her sing is phenomenal.

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Oh but a voice that was amazing, Yes, oh god.

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And I love how when she was looking to leave

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Star Trek, you know, you don't realize she of course

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didn't realize what she was in when she was in it,

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and it was like, this was a job, it was

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no longer a fulfilling job. I'm gonna go find another job,

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as you know performers do. And she was like fine

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with that and had so many other.

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Things she could have done. M Yeah, well I didn't

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even know that she had her own company called Women

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in Motion, I know, and that that was an essential

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part of her involvement with NASA, was to say, like,

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I'm going to do it under my company, and I'm

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going to have some control on the influence. I'm not

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going to be somebody who just gets up and speaks

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for you. I'm not going to be a prop That

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really really surprised me. It was great to hear.

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One Thing's for sure.

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If you don't know this story and you watched this documentary,

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for the first time like I did, but I still

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always appreciated the character Horror and Michelle Nicholas what she's done.

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But you will not look at a Horror differently. You

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will look at Horror differently going forward. You'll see how

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strong she is, how powerful she is in the place

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that she has on that bridge, and you will look

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at her like, Okay, you belong there. I would like

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to have seen her be a captain overship now after

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the documentary, for sure.

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What about question?

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Yes, oh god, that's a missed opportunity. Yes, And let's

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talk about some moments that surprised us.

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What were some that.

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Stood out to you.

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I think the one thing that just really kind of

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blew me away was kind of jumping ahead to the

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end where they showed the pictures of like, this is

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what the world was like when she started, and this

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is what the world is like now. And it's a

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very simple way to end the documentary, but it was

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just beautiful. You know, they didn't talk about it a lot,

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but they talked about you know, when she first started

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her career in Chicago. You know, she went to this

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specific hotel as a performer because that was one of

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the few places that black people could perform or they

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would let you in, you know, and even when she

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was on Star Trek, it was still, Yeah, the country

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was still incredibly segregated, and you know, just seeing where

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that started and then the imagery of you know, the

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progression socially was beautiful and that and now you know

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the hands she had in that, Yeah.

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It's so much of a direct direct connection, right, Like

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she was board of directors what was it, board of

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directors in the National Space Institute, YEP, got so many

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different honors for what she had done. And hearing the

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voices from so many people that are not only leaders

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in the space program, but people who started because she

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opened that door. I love how many different people we

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heard from in this documentary. I think it's great that

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we heard from Walter Knig and Michael Dorn, George Takai

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and so many different people connected with the Star Trek,

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but also so many different astronauts and leaders of programs

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that are continuing to keep the program moving forward.

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Dave, what about you?

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So mine's kind of a twofold here, and it's going

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to lead into me the moment of what hit hard

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for this. So when we get to that question. You

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already going to know what I'm going to say this.

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This documentary really put a lot of things into perspective

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for me, for the Space program in general, but for

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Nichelle's involvement in all of it, the friends that she

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made working, you know, for NASA, and not only what

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she did, but you know her. I didn't make the

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connection when she was talking about how she became good

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friends with Judy Residentt, and I didn't make the connection

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yet that Judy was on the Challenger. And when I

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got to that part of the Challenger, I knew. I

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knew it was coming, and I was bracing myself, getting

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ready for it, because you know, to this day, and

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I'm sure a lot of us can remember where we

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were when this happened. I was in the line a

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middle school. I know exactly where what I was doing

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when this occurred. And when we got to this point,

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I knew I was gonna start getting upset. And then

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when Nachelle starts talking about and she had to stop

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and she said, I don't know if I can do this,

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and then she proceeded on to talk a little bit

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more about it and then losing Judy on the Challenger,

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and then She basically had to stop the interview because

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she was just so emotionally upset that I lost it.

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To when she started crying.

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I started crying because the effect that not only had

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on her, but the effect it had all of us

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at that time and still to this date, it does.

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Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna be kind of hard to talk

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about this. And I was in was it fourth or

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fifth grade? I think it's fourth grade, Yeah, fourth grade.

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Remember sitting in the classroom and seeing that. We've talked

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about this in several different moments throughout the Phases podcast,

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but this one puts a really unique perspective on that

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because growing up I didn't know a lot of the

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other astronauts. I was aware of the teacher going up

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into space, but the backstory of so many others. The

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we could just get right into it, because I'm sure

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it won't Yeah, sure it's going to bleed together emotionally.

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This is kind of a similar kind of thing. But

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earlier in the documentary when she sees all of those

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recruits on the stage with equal footing and she said,

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these are my children. We didn't talk about things. I'm

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gonna take a minute.

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Good.

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Yeah, when you see them first walk into the shuttle

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Bay as like the new Recruits, and it's just a

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general shot of the group and they focus, you know,

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on different people, and you see Judie Resnick standing there,

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and you see Ellison on Azuka standing there, and Ron

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McNair and they're all there and you know what's coming.

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And I mean I started crying watching this documentary. The

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doctor Martin Luther King's story was not a story that

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I knew, So when I was listening to that, I

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fell apart. And then I pulled it together.

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You know, and then.

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Like the minute we started into this section, you know,

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I started crying and I didn't stop until the end

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of the documentary because it was just so powerful. And

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my son walked in and he was like, you know,

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I never really got it, but this was kind of

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your generation's nine to eleven, Like this isn't something you

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ever get over, true.

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And I said no.

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He's like, I'm not joking that, I'm being serious, and

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I said, no, it's it's not something you ever get over.

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Being twelve years old and you know, living this for

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so many months and there was so much excitement and

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then watching you know, it unfold and seeing her connection

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to it, you know, like you were saying, Scott was

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just it was just devastating.

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Yeah, saying that, It's like seeing her children up on stage, right,

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and then you go to that tragedy.

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I mean, can you imagine if you're responsible for recruiting

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people and getting them into those positions, something that was

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so hard to do because and now they didn't want

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anything to do with it until you come along and

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you make that difference, You challenge them, and you get

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those people in there, and then some of them.

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Lose their lives.

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Can you imagine emotionally think about that, how you would

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react when something like that happened. I just can't imagine it.

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And for her to break down like she did there,

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I understand. I mean so many years you know that

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happened in eighty six, right, yeah, happened in eighty six.

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You know you look back and I mean this document

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is done in twenty twenty one, if I remember correctly,

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nineteen with twenty nineteen, nineteen, okay, twenty nineteen, So I mean, look,

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how many years have passed. But that doesn't leave you

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at ever. You know, you know people tell you, you know,

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it gets better when you lose people, but no, it

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really doesn't. It just you learn to live with it.

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But when you start talking about it and remembering those

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times you have with those people when you were responsible

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for having them in those positions, you've got to relive

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it again. So for instance, seeing the show break up

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like that, I get it.

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Yeah, well, and she had such a strong connection to

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every one of those lives that she touched. Yeah, And

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the next segment where it shows kind of moving forward

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from that and the struggles to do so but the

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need to keep pushing forward, and how much of an

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influence she continued to have on that is amazing. Like

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thinking about at the time, which movie was coming out, right,

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all this time around.

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Four they dedicated at the beginning to the crew, and

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so yeah, you get that gut four is like, for

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a long time was my favorite, but you get that

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gut punch it starts. We already gotten into the credits yet, right.

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But just thinking about that moment in canon and how

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much more she continued to do with the franchise and

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how much more she was doing with the program. She

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was very busy, to say the least.

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But the beauty of you know, hearing Dick Scobie's daughters

474
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talk about you know, her mom saying to Vice President Bush, like,

475
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:42.519
don't let this end the program, like it has to

476
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.680
go on, and then seeing that moment when Discovery launched

477
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:47.559
was just beautiful.

478
00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:48.519
Yeah.

479
00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:49.200
Yeah.

480
00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:54.920
When were some other moments that surprised you or hitch

481
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:58.400
you kind of heart emotionally for in a positive way

482
00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:00.359
or in a you know, a gut punch.

483
00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.839
Well, yeah, I mean, I've my experience was very similar

484
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:08.599
to David's, and that part of the document was probably

485
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:11.519
the hardest to watch for me, because you know, I

486
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.119
have such vivid memories too. I was in the library

487
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:16.720
at Study Hall at the time when when it happened,

488
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:20.359
and it was such a huge event, historical event that

489
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.119
happened on I mean, everybody had their TV's on at

490
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.759
the top every school, so we all saw it, and

491
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:30.039
I remember clearly, you know, watching it and hearing her

492
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.720
talk about it. Hearing anyone talk is rough because it

493
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:35.839
brings back a lot of a lot of shock memories

494
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:40.680
to me. But so I I'm glad that they included

495
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.119
this in there, because I wasn't sure if they would.

496
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.279
I wasn't really sure, But I'm glad that they included

497
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:50.759
this in here because it's it's important in the history

498
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:53.960
of space travel, in the history of NASA, it's important

499
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.319
to include in the history of Michelle Nichols.

500
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.039
Very important.

501
00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:01.720
But you know, one of the another thing besides that too,

502
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:08.000
the wealth of footage and behind the scenes clips that

503
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:12.519
they had in this documentary was incredibly impressive. Yes, I'm

504
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:14.920
so glad sim documentaries. You know, I wasn't sure if

505
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.240
they'd have access to all this. You know, you have

506
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:18.920
all the rights and stuff that you'd have to get,

507
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.759
but they got it and it you know, the more

508
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:24.480
you put of that, the better your documentary is. And

509
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:28.119
you know, the photos of her early year clips from

510
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.400
the TV show that she did, The Lieutenants. That's a

511
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.519
series that I've always heard of, but I've never seen

512
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.160
any episodes. I've always wanted to, and seeing her on

513
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.720
that those clips was was fantastic. You know, the Star

514
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:43.519
Trek footage and then all that priceless film and photos

515
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:47.359
and the nice little the little real that they did

516
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.240
with her back in the seventies from NASA. I loved

517
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:53.400
seeing that stuff and I'm so glad that they were

518
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.000
allowed to include that in there because it really enriches

519
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:59.640
this documentary and and helps you understand Michelle Nichols in

520
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:00.480
a new life.

521
00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:05.000
Yeah, it took me way way way back. I mean

522
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:07.480
before I was born, way back. But to see her

523
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.119
with that footage and to see early days of her

524
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.880
at places like conventions, back when they were even starting

525
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:19.440
the conventions we've been to tons right, And do.

526
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:21.519
You like some of the first ones was weird, yes.

527
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:27.160
Yes, yes. But the fact that that kind of intersects

528
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.759
with her meeting the director of Science at NASA in

529
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:34.599
nineteen seventy five at a Star Trek convention as a

530
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:36.920
moment that kind of sets her future in NASA in

531
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.319
motion was awesome to see And I had no idea

532
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:41.319
there's that kind of connection.

533
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.079
Yeah, you know, David, you know, you and I have

534
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:46.359
been to so many different Star Trek conventions and we've

535
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:48.640
always heard these stories. You know, the people will come

536
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.839
up and say, you know, oh you affected my life

537
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.000
so much, you know, you help me do this.

538
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.079
We've heard the stories of where people would.

539
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:57.799
Come up to like Diforce, Kelly or or you know,

540
00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:59.599
any of them say, you know, I became a doctor

541
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.440
because I watched you on Star Trek, or became you know,

542
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.519
an astronaut or an engineer because I watched you know,

543
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:10.880
James Dowing and and but here we all those people

544
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:14.839
can say, you know, I became astronauts, I became part

545
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.720
of the Space Shuttle program because of Michelle Nichols, you know,

546
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.480
and here we actually get to see the footage, see

547
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.000
the impact, rather than just just hear these little stories

548
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:27.039
that we hear at the conventions. You know, they're not

549
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:30.839
just actors. You know, when you join Star Trek, you

550
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.880
go from just being an actor and you become part

551
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.799
of the culture. And I know a lot of these

552
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:39.559
realize a lot of people realize that some of them

553
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:41.359
don't realize it when they become it. Some of the

554
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:43.960
times it gets it scares them. But now you know,

555
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:46.839
here here is this document was a great example of

556
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:51.400
how you know, she really affected a lot of people's lives.

557
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:54.759
It really puts things into perspective, doesn't it. Because you're right, Wayne,

558
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:59.039
I remember how many conversations we heard of that very situation.

559
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:01.839
But I I think even Nachelle was kind of you

560
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:03.519
know when they asked her to do this, because she

561
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.960
kind of felt at first that a horror wasn't really

562
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:10.079
you know, big enough. You know, I don't know if

563
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.319
big enough would be the right thing to say here,

564
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.640
But I don't think she felt like, why were they

565
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:16.400
why were they coming for her, you know, to help

566
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.720
with this, until she realized what they were doing, and

567
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.480
then she realized they're putting her into position to really

568
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.079
use this to her advantage. So when you look at

569
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.720
that whole perspective, you're right, it really does make it

570
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:30.079
very eye opening, is what it is.

571
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:32.759
Well, we didn't live through that part, you know. Back then,

572
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.359
you know, let me say, early seventies or so, Star

573
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.680
Trek was just a TV show, yep, and you know,

574
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:39.519
all of them thought it was just a TV show

575
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:40.640
as a job that they did for.

576
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:41.559
Three years and left.

577
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.039
And around that time, what was it, early seventy four,

578
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.079
seventy five, whenever they showed that convention appearance. That was

579
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.359
the beginning of the Star Trek phenomenon, which we, you know,

580
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:51.440
we were too young to remember.

581
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:53.359
Although we did remember the Star Wars one, you don't

582
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:54.559
remember the Star Trek.

583
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:55.200
You know.

584
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:57.720
And seeing that footage was great because you know, there

585
00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:59.680
are a lot of people that remember that.

586
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.400
You know, it's it's just fantastic to watch.

587
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.319
Well, and to your point, with her influence from being

588
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:11.079
on the show. You know, May Jamison talks about watching

589
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:16.240
Uhura and being like inspired you know by that. We

590
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:18.799
over at Docking Bay, we did an episode on the

591
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:23.119
movie Hidden Figures, and she talked about May Jemison talked

592
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.240
about the book and talked about the movie and said

593
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.200
how much different her life would have been if that

594
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.079
had existed when she was a child, if she had

595
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.400
known about Catherine Johnson when she was a child, and

596
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:39.599
that representation being important. So she didn't have the real figure,

597
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:43.759
but she had Ahura to inspire her, you know, which

598
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.720
is just they go hand in hand. That's just such

599
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:48.480
a beautiful thing.

600
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:49.200
Yeah.

601
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:53.880
Well, and like I said, so many times when people

602
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.559
will say you had this impact on me, you had

603
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.640
that m picked on me, and they different people kind

604
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.240
of respond that in different ways. That there is one moment,

605
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.920
I forget the name of the person that was talking about.

606
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:09.880
Somebody had said I heard Michelle Nichols talking on TV

607
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.759
saying you can be part of this program, You're a

608
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.079
part of this and he is like, I know that

609
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.640
everybody thinks that they were talking to them, but she

610
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:19.480
was really talking to me.

611
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:20.319
She was talking to me.

612
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:26.960
There's so much of that. I think Trek has an interesting,

613
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:34.720
unique legacy in the world in the US for having

614
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.640
so much history and so many different people kind of

615
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.920
relate to somebody who's coming on new to trek to

616
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:47.279
somebody who has been through it for so long, letting

617
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:48.960
them know how much of an influence and how much

618
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:53.799
of reach this kind of this series, this franchise can

619
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:58.839
have on somebody's life. Like it's not just an interesting

620
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.079
show or an interesting story that you follow. It's giving

621
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:04.799
somebody an opportunity to see themselves in more than they

622
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.599
are or more than they think they can be at

623
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:11.720
the time, and using that to move them forward. That's

624
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:14.680
the crux of this documentary that I think is just

625
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.640
so beautiful as you're seeing that directly in action, Like

626
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.079
aspects of the Space program would not be there if

627
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:26.440
not for a communications officer who thought she was going

628
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.000
to quit at some point, but decided to move it

629
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.599
so much and turned it into so much more. I

630
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.079
think it's amazing. All Right, Well, we've talked a lot

631
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.960
about the amazing things that we learned, the things that

632
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.839
we loved in this documentary. Let's take a equimick break

633
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:43.759
when we come back. Let's talk about why we think

634
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:49.920
fans should not miss Woman in Motion. All right, we're back.

635
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.519
We've hit on this a lot in everything that we've

636
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.400
been saying, but let's start to talk about if we

637
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.880
had to convince a fan for whatever reason that didn't

638
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:01.240
know that they should watch this, why would a fan

639
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.559
love to see this documentary? Andy, We're I'll go to

640
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:05.000
your first.

641
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:09.519
For me, I think it comes down to there's a

642
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:13.920
lot of ways in which people want to be supportive

643
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:20.360
and don't really know how. So, like, it's Women's History Month,

644
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.880
and you know, I would love to support women's history,

645
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.119
but I don't really know anything about it. Well, it

646
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:32.119
starts with learn as much as you can about someone

647
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.760
you're a fan of, you know, and you'll be surprised

648
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.719
at what they contributed to the world. So you're a

649
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:43.079
Star Trek fan. You think you know about Michelle Nichols

650
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:49.159
and her contribution because she was the first African American

651
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.840
female to be featured on a television program. But there's

652
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:57.440
so much more. Her story is so much richer, And

653
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:01.199
the more you learn you know, the more inspired you are.

654
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:03.400
And then that leads you to, well, who is this

655
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.719
woman you know, Judy Resnick that she's talking about, who

656
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.639
is you know Sally Ride. I know she was the

657
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:11.480
first woman in space, but I don't know anything else

658
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:14.960
about her, you know, and that it just opens up

659
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.639
so many other doors you can just go down this

660
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.119
great rabbit hole.

661
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:24.679
Yeah, it's one that I want to. I mean, I

662
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.360
watched it on my own because you know, I wanted

663
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:29.360
to get ready for the show and wanted to be

664
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:33.400
able to, you know, chat with everybody about it. But

665
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:35.440
as soon as I finished, I was like, I really

666
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:38.440
need to watch this with my with my sons, with

667
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.960
my wife, Like they would love to see this documentary.

668
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.159
They don't all have the same connection to or her

669
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.599
that I do, but I think it's possible they would

670
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:51.119
when they see when they kind of get it. You know,

671
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.880
there's some sometimes when it's kind of like you've got

672
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.960
fans with family who aren't necessarily fans or the im

673
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.599
into it as much as we are. This is absolutely

674
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:03.480
a story that you'd want to share with them to

675
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:09.159
say what it means. I think this documentary gets it. Dave,

676
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:09.719
what about you?

677
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:12.760
Well, I kind of mentioned it earlier, like I didn't

678
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.199
know anything about this until I watched this documentary. And

679
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.880
how are you going to learn if you don't you know,

680
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:19.960
take the time to watch something like this and learn

681
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.760
about these people and to learn about Michelle and what

682
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:29.079
she accomplished in itself is just absolutely amazing. And like

683
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.000
I said, I am never ever going to look at

684
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.039
a horror again the same I'm not because I see

685
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.199
her as this powerful woman who is on this bridge

686
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:38.599
as for communications.

687
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:40.360
But everyone looks to her.

688
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.840
Because she is a strong Black woman.

689
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.840
Who deserves to be where she is.

690
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.880
And I'm so glad that she stayed, and everybody is

691
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.239
glad that she stayed because she made such a difference

692
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.840
in everything that she did, the accomplishment she had with NASA,

693
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:59.280
with the minority groups, with women, everything has just been

694
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:05.039
enthralling to learn. And this documented itself just blew my

695
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.840
mind away. But let's be willing to make that change.

696
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.239
That's what she's teaching us, you know, to be someone

697
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.360
that makes a difference, even if you think it's silly

698
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:18.760
and insignificant, because one day that may become something that

699
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:20.320
is significant and huge.

700
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:21.360
You don't know.

701
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:23.920
You know, if you see a kid who says something

702
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.400
like that, you know, encourage them, you know, show them

703
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.960
something like this to say, hey, she had a dream

704
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:33.159
when she was a kid, and look what she freaking did.

705
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.639
This documentary should be seen by anybody who loves Star Trek.

706
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.119
Yeah, I think it gives you a whole new perspective

707
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.320
on Michelle Nichols and the character of Ahura. I mean

708
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:44.920
it changes the way I'm going to look at her

709
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.880
portrayal of a heah but the character again on strange

710
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.440
New Worlds that I think is echoing and continuing what

711
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.400
Michelle had started, not only with that character, but with

712
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:57.239
the series.

713
00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:58.760
And what it can do, the potential for it.

714
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:00.280
I love it.

715
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.960
It's not gonna take much to convince any Star Trek

716
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.880
fan to watch us. You know, it's got Michelle Nichols.

717
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:11.880
It's partially about Star Trek. They're gonna watch this, But

718
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:17.280
this documentary goes beyond that. It's really it's so informative

719
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and people who have no connection to Star Trek should

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really sit down and watch this because, you know, Michelle

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Nichols is a phenomenal lady that has done so much

722
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:33.599
for not only Star Trek fans, but for you know

723
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:38.360
the world. It's itself, and and you know it's I

724
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:40.760
wish I had a chance to meet her. You know,

725
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.199
now after seeing this even more so. But you know this,

726
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:48.039
this really touches into a small footnote note of actual

727
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:52.199
history that I think anyone that watches us will will

728
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:57.400
enjoy and it'll you know, inform them. It's just it's

729
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:01.039
a great documentary for for anyone. I mean, there's there's

730
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:02.679
so many different parts to it, you know, not only

731
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:08.000
just the NASA stuff, but her perseverance or her backstory,

732
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:13.079
you know, her desire to bring minorities and women, you know,

733
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:15.599
into the forefront of NASA. There's just so much to

734
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.679
this documentary that people can take from it that I

735
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.840
was pleasantly shocked at how much I enjoyed this. I

736
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:27.119
knew I would, but I really really enjoyed this documentary

737
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:29.679
and I know for a fact that I'll see it again.

738
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Yeah.

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I went into this knowing that I would learn more

740
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:38.239
about Michelle Nichols and the Space program, but I didn't

741
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:43.400
know how much it would how much it would hit home. Obviously,

742
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it was emotionally hard hitting for some of the things

743
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that we had had mentioned, but knowing how much she

744
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.519
had had done with something that could have just been

745
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:57.239
dismissed as I'm doing a space TV show for a

746
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:01.320
couple of years, and it became so much more right

747
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.159
a time when it was Westerns and it was it

748
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:05.920
was off the air for a while until there was

749
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:10.440
a movie, and possibly even forgotten. Frankly, I mean, it

750
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.039
was in syndication for a long time, but it could

751
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:18.360
have died on the vine way back when. And knowing

752
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:21.119
how much more she had done, how much more she

753
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:25.000
had made it meaningful to people, and knowing what it

754
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.480
could do was amazing. I love seeing the richness of

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00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:35.400
her life and learning about her her passion for singing

756
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.480
and dancing, on top of what she had done for NASA.

757
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:41.559
Even kind of culminating, there's almost like a blinking you'll

758
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:45.440
miss it or if you you know, hit the if

759
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.400
you follow the prompt, you'll miss it. There's kind of

760
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.039
a mid credit scene where she sings fly Me to

761
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.239
the Moon, kind of a recent recording. Oh god, she's

762
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:55.480
still got the pipes to hit it?

763
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.360
Yes, do. It's amazing.

764
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So, I mean, if you're a fan of any of

765
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.760
the series, Original Series, Next Generation, Strange New Worlds, anything

766
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.840
along the lines, I think it's important to watch this

767
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.880
movie not only to hear about this incredible woman and

768
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:17.159
her role in history, but the impact that we understand

769
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.760
that this franchise can have. I think it's amazing and

770
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:20.559
I'm glad that it's.

771
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.320
Out there, even even fans of history, fans of the

772
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:25.360
Space Program.

773
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You need to watch this documentary.

774
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:32.599
All right? And Brandy final thoughts on Woman in Motion, No.

775
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:39.360
I think we hit it all. I do love you

776
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.880
were talking about the history, like the television history of

777
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:48.239
Roden Berry doing that show The Lieutenants and that episode

778
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:53.320
not airing because it was an African American story during

779
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:58.400
segregated time, and so he creates Star Trek to like

780
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.920
tell the stories he wants to tell in this subversive way.

781
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.559
I get it past the network. I just was like, oh,

782
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.280
that's good. I like that so much.

783
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:11.280
Well, crew, I appreciate you coming on to talk about

784
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:13.760
this one. I'm very glad that we chose to to

785
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.639
cover it too, because it brings it to the top

786
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:22.039
of the queue. So as always, thank you Amber for

787
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:28.760
joining us. Yes, it was so much fun. Thanks David Wayne.

788
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.159
As usual, I want to captain a horror show.

789
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:33.280
Yes, I'd like to see that too.

790
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:37.800
Yeah, that would be fantastic. I mean we get how

791
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.360
much more of a strange New World's after this?

792
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.440
Like what you hears of it or two more years

793
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:44.719
after this one.

794
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:48.039
I mean there's always room. There's a lot of in

795
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:49.159
between there we could cover.

796
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.119
I absolutely love her character now I always did, but

797
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.599
this one just man so much more knocked it out

798
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:55.280
of the park for me.

799
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:59.000
Epitomize as a communication officer, that's the person that's supposed

800
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:03.519
to be helping people talk and communicate and connect. This

801
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:04.920
just makes it so much more.

802
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It does.

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As always, thanks to our listeners for joining us. Healing

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