Scott Cooper - Out of the Furnace

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Brad, you and I go way
back. I mean we pretty much are

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brothers, you would say, right, right, right, right, yeah,

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and we both are fortunate to have
brothers. You know, I have

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a brother. You have a brother, right, You are an older brother.

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I have an older brother. There
you go. I I love a

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good film where brothers are the main
characters. Oh yeah, you know,

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they're they're always anytime I see one, I'm always thinking about my brother.

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You know, I'm thinking about you
sometimes. Uh. I remember Warrior,

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you know, that's one of my
favorite That's one of my go to films.

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When you're talking about brothers, you
know, I always want to talk

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to my brother right after that.
You got something like that that does that

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for you? Well, yeah,
actually I do. I'd like to talk

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about one of my favorites, a
film by Scott Cooper, his two thousand

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and thirteen dark revenge drama Out of
the Furnace. Hello everybody, and welcome

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back to a Film by Podcast.
I'm Jeff Johnson, I am Brad Kozo

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Right, And you thought nineteen eighty
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did? H We got we got
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episodes already available on that Patreon.
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the Surely You Can't Be Serious Podcast
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Anthony Michael Hall. Oh yeah,
I remember that movie. Yeah, remember

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that one one of my favorites.
Uh, from the year. I can't

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believe we didn't do it in our
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Lewis of Docking Base seventy seven fame
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did the Mosquito Coast Ryerson Ford,
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Ford movie where he's in the jungle
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Yeah, I'm gonna movie. We
talked about definitely at It's it's a must

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watch one of his best performances.
Uh. And you want you want to

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tell him about the other the other
one that made it uh into this first

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batch. Oh yeah, the Chuck
Norris and Lee Marvin classic, The Delta

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Force. It took us a while
to finally get to the Delta Force,

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and man, it was a fun
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we didn't get that into uh the
wide release. You know, somehow Firewalker

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got the nod. I think that
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birthday. Maybe that's why we did. Yeah, I think that's why but

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yeah, a lot of good stuff
there. Check it out. And now,

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Brad, let's get into Let's get
into this film by Scott Cooper Out

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of the Furnace. Oh yeah,
I mean, let's give a little synopsis

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of what this film is about.
First, anyway, Please Do, Please

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Do. And Braddock, Pennsylvania are
two brothers, Russell and Rodney Bays doing

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what is necessary to survive. Russell, played by Christian Bale, is a

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good citizen, works in the local
stone mill, plays his taxes, stays

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out of trouble, and has a
nice girl played by they always adorable Zoe

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Seldona. Rodney, on their other
hand, is an army soldier forgotten by

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his country. Portrayed energetically by Casey
Affleck. Rodney has no aspirations to work

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in the mill and wants a big
payday for fighting for his country. It's

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only when he gets mixed up in
a llegal fist fighting with the local criminal.

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John Petty is play Belly, always
great, willing the foe, Rodney

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begs John for a fight with a
group of New Jersey hardcore criminals led by

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Woody Harrelson. He knows that if
Rodney doesn't take a dive that the New

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Jersey Criminals will kill him. Everything
goes wrong and Rodney disappears, and since

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Braddock Police don't have jurisdiction, then
the New Jersey Mountains rustling his badass uncle

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Red played by the Great Sam Shepherd, heading to the underworld of the New

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Jersey Mountain crime world. That can
we just you mentioned Woody Harrelson. There

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the opening scene of this film at
the drive in with Woody Harrelson. Man,

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is he brutal? Okay? I
got a theory for you. Oh

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okay, well yeah, let's jump
into Okay, So Mickey and Mallory Knox

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escape at the end of Natural Born
Killers. Okay, Mallory Knox die somehow

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Mickey is down on his luck.
This is what ends up happening in Mickey

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Knox tell me he is not like
Mickey Knox gone like a little too far.

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I can't do that because, yeah, I look, Mickey Knox is

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a brutal serial killer and Natural Born
Killers. But you still kind of you're

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behind him, you know, you're
like he he he just has charisma,

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you know. Uh. Harlan de
Grote has none of that. He's a

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he is a terrible he's a terrible
person, and I just I hate that

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I have to you know, I
hate that I have to defend Mickey Knox.

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But he's he's he's too cool,
he's too nice For UH to become

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Harlan. I would, I would
hope. But but on a serious note,

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though, Harrelson is terrifying in this
movie. I just I'm nervous every

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every scene he's in, I'm nervous
about what he's gonna do and who he's

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gonna do it too. On this
opening scene is you know the reason why?

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Right? Yeah? I mean the
movie set you up immediately. UM,

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don't get comfortable. This is gonna
hurt. You know. This is

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a rough movie, and this is
a This is a rough movie. Absolutely,

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it's you know, it's sweaty,
it's smelly, it's yeah, it's

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it's got it all. There's uh, it does have it all, including

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a very talented cast. But before
we get to them, Brad, I

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just want to point out someone,
uh because you know, we always talk

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about our director obviously, um,
and we talk about our cast, but

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can we take a second to talk
about the cinematographer for this movie. I'm

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talking about Massa Nobu Taka Yanagi.
Okay, Yeah, who goes goes by

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the for sure, he goes by
the nickname Masa. Okay, it's the

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film is shot beautifully. I mean
we're like you, like you said,

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we're in the we're in a rough
borough of Pennsylvania, but we also see

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some beautiful country mum. And this
is the guy you know that that shot

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it for Scott Cooper. He also
did you know this is this is his

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go to guy, right because he
did he you know, you know,

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I know, we'll get into the
filmography later, but this is the guy

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that shot Black mass He shot hostiles, and he shot the pale blue eyelash.

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All great, all, all all
look great too. Yeah, this

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guy, this guy has an extraordinary
eye. I love the way he shoots

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his films because it doesn't matter if
we're we're in the Pacific Northwest, you

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know, or if we're out on
the planes, or if we're in Pittsburgh.

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I mean, you get a true
sense of what it's like thaks to

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what how this guy shoots his movies. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, like

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you said, it could be you
know, eighteen hundred or twenty thirteen,

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and he makes it. It makes
you feel it. Yes, Uh,

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speaking of feeling it. Uh so
we we we we we just so we

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talked about Woody Harrelson a little bit
playing uh the the The Jersey, The

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New Jersey crime Lord Meth meth dealing
crime Lord Harlan de Groat. Interestingly enough,

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uh not the first choice. Vigo
Mortenson was initially um given the offer.

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Yea, love him? Okay,
how about Billy? Bob Thornton was

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also considered before Two on the Money. Two on the Money kind of already

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did that with you Turner, you
know, kind of the creepy creepy Yeah,

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yeah, okay, I can tell
you right now. I love both

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those guys. But there's no one
I would have wanted to see do this

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other than Woody Harrelson. He owns
the role. He's terrifying in it,

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and I believe him when when he's
gonna hurt somebody, I believe that he

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can do it. Yeah. So
absolutely, yeah, love love him,

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love him in this film. Um, let's talk about the brothers. Christian

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Bale playing Russell Bays, the older
brother. See, I like Christian Bale

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sometimes. I know he likes to
do things like, um, you know,

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losing a lot of weight for the
fighter gaining a lot of weight for

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vice. But I like Christian Bale
just kind of usually playing the plane guy.

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I think he gets, you know, overlooked at some of those things

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that you know, being just a
serious, straight dramatic actor. He's fantastic

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in this. He is absolutely fantastic
in this. Uh. I know,

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again, we'll do I got a
couple casting almost what it could is for

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you. Um. This role initially
was Leonardo DiCaprio's um when he moved on.

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Now he's still a producer on the
film him and at least you know,

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we'll get into that later, but
DiCaprio is one of the producers for

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this movie. Jeremy Rinner was the
first person offered the role and he passed

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on it. Okay, so I
could definitely see him playing this role.

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But I think you're right, it's
this is absolutely Christian Bale's role. It's

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such a fine performance too. Yeah, and a breath of fresh air,

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right because he had just finished his
his Batman trilogy with Christopher Nolan the yeah

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before, so you know, a
chance to just kind of was like,

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all right, I'm done with my
commitment to that kind of thing. Let's

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get into some some just basic dramatic
type of work, and he did.

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He delved right into it right away. Yeah. I love him in this

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uh Casey Affleck playing his younger brother
Rodney Bays. Also, he's electrifying.

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Yeah, very much like Wardy Harrelson's
character. You don't know what's gonna take

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him off, you know, you
don't know what's gonna make him explode.

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Well, yeah, he's I mean, he's dealing with this whole uh PTSD

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from you know, he's when we
catch up with the character, I think

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he's done four tours in Iraq at
this point. Yeah, and he is.

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He has got some serious issues and
the only way he can vent is

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in these uh these bare knuckle brawls. He's like illegal street fights that that

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are being set up for him.
He's fantastic. Did you know I apparently

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he actually trained for several weeks to
get that wiry Yeah, he's like tall,

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lean kind of look, you know, like even when he's like getting

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ready for the like the fight when
he's up in New Jersey, he's doing

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that like fist pump with his just
getting ready for the fights. It's like

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he looks like ready to go.
It's like he's ready to step into a

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ring or just step into a fight. Yeah, and it's and I mean

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Casey affleck. He's always a small
guy, right, Like anytime you see

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him in a movie, you're like, yeah, he's he's not trouble.

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But in this movie, I again, I believe it when he when he

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starts fighting, it's like I would
that it will tear you up. Right.

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Yeah. A couple of people considered
for the role before Casey got it.

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And I'll say almost, see what
you think about these names, Brad,

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because uh, a couple of them
are pretty pretty good. They would

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have been great. Channing Tatum was
considered, Okay, all right, Uh,

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Taylor Kitch are one of our heroes
from Friday Night Lights, That's right,

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yeah, forty four and then this
one definitely I think out of out

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of the wold would have could us. This is definitely that Mike gets my

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vote. Garrett Headland, uh,
who has done some great, great work

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too. You know what, all
those are great actors, but I think

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Casey is the only one that could
have pulled this off, especially when we

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talked about one essential scene. Like
I said, no, Uh, these

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other actors are fantastic, but I
don't think they could have done what what

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casey affleck did? I agree?
You know? I mean and the fact

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is, you know, there's there's
other three guys we talked about. They

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they have some size to him.
They they yeah, they had that that

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action figure look to him, you
know. And again like the guy spent

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three months training just to just to
look like a brawler. And I love

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that about him. Yeah. Funny
thing, I almost forgot this. I

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don't want to. I don't want
I don't want to forget this, uh

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before we move on, because we
talked about how nasty Whatdy Harrelson is.

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Yeah, I gotta I gotta a
fun thing here for you, Brad.

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Apparently what the day they rapped filming
Whatdy Harrelson walks up to Scott Scott Cooper,

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hugs him and says, quote,
I have never wanted to shed a

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character so badly in my life.
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I

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would stand in the shower for like
three hours to wipe that all off of

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him. Absolutely, absolutely. U
you mentioned Zoe Saldonna. Tell me you

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know, she's she plays the girlfriend, uh Lena, and she has one

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essential thing and that is to take
Christian Bale's characters Russell's heart and then take

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it away, and I just she
just has a look of if you lost

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that, I mean, if you
lost that, you just it would be

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so tragic, you know, the
fact that he was, like I said,

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paying his taxes, doing what he
needs to do, and you know,

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ends up losing her. I mean, she's always good and of course

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a lot not the only person like
Christian Bale that gets to act outside of

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a franchise covered by a lot of
prosthetics makeup. So this is a chance

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for to be a person, a
real person. And um, she does

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a really good Um she does a
really good teacher, a really good like

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the way she is with the kids. She's really good with the kids.

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There's a lot of believability in this
movie. Yeah. Well she also what

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I love about her performance, you
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goes away to prison for five years, she doesn't wait for him, She

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moves on and you can't even be
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she's she's the X. She's the
X that you are still friends with,

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that you still want good things that
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does. She captures that performance so
well. I love her in this Um

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talking you talked about Sam Shephard and
you're uncle so badass in this movie.

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Yeah, I know. It's the
way she's like, we're just going get

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us a buck, and the way
he does that and moves he's so he

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just seems like he belongs there,
you know, when just someone just like

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they're that world. Hey, lista, I was gonna run by the cemetery

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and drop off some flowers. You
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Sure enough they do. Yeah.
John Petty played by Willem Dafoe.

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I want to ask you, because
I mean, Dafoe is awesome no matter

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what he does, but did you
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more menacingn the type of character he
was? No. Once again, that's

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something William Dafoe does great. But
I like that he did feel bad for

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Roddy. He knows this guy went
over and did his tours again and again.

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Why is he needing to do this
kind of work? He understands it

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for himself, you know, he's
the criminals path he chosen, but he

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does want to see something good,
So I like that. I like that

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he's sympathetic. It makes it more
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I mean, he's still he's still
a bad guy. He's still a criminal.

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Yeah, yeah, he's still a
bad guy. But having him be

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kind of a hard ass, mean
creepy that that William the Folk can do

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that in a second, you know, to see him kind of play a

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little bit of a criminal with a
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I like that. Okay, all
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was very reserved in this movie was
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Not your typical Force Whittaker performance,
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chance to do something a little different. Once again, talked about how great

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you know, Zoe Sildona not only
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while he's in prison, but ends
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who is a much older police officer. It's just really kicking the balls.

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But yet you cannot be mad at
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you who else I really love.
I enjoyed this movie. Um uh.

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And this guy, he's he's he's
popped up in a couple of Scott Cooper

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Movies talking about Tom Bauer who plays
uh Dan Dugan the Bartender, which you

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know, I know who exactly who
he is? Yeah? Yeah, and

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and what why do we know this
this guy? Because yeah, we constantly

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talk about him and die Hard two
of There's Your There's your New Terminal,

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there's your Skywalk. I believe we
talked about him when we did The Negotiator,

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which talked a little bit about him. Yeah, he's a great character

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actor. He shows up, been
a lot of things. Yeah, I

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like the movie has a huge cast. There's a lot of that guys,

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but a lot of people you know. Yeah, So let's you know,

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back to the movie. Um,
here's one thing I think it is really

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cool about what Scott Cooper does in
this This movie takes place over the course

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of five years, and we don't
know that because we are just given a

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title card. He just gives you
clues, like the transitions he does to

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let you know where we're at in
the story. I think he does so

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well. One of my favorites is
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of the film, you know,
Christian Bell, he has it. He

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has a drink with the Willem Dafoe. He's driving home, he gets in

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a car accident. It's not that
he's drunk, he just gets in an

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accident. Someone pulls out in front
of him. Someone dies. And the

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next scene you see he's back at
the steel mill. Right, you think,

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you think, because he's he's doing
some welding. And when he turns

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around and you see that his jacket
says d OC, you know, Department

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of Corrections. Then you're like,
wait, is he And then now we're

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in the yard and we we we
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So you know the woman died.
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And we don't need to we don't
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We just know it. Right,
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thing. Harry trusts the audience.
He trusts the audience to know that.

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During the bar scene, when um
Christian Bale is at the bar waiting for

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Rodney the night of the thing,
it's Barack Obama becoming you know, the

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next president. So you're like,
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like license plates that say like expire

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two thousand and thirty. You caught
that. Yeah. Yeah, So it's

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little things like that, and you
can kind of like, okay, now

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we're up five years, twenty thirteen, this when the film came out.

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So he trusts the audience and I
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just we don't need to go through
a trial. And ye, him

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coming home, anybody that sees us
knows he's calling the cops. Yeah,

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they're going to get involved. They're
gonna know he was drinking, and of

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course he's going to be something.
And you're like, Okay, that's how

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it turned out. We don't need
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that. A fun fact about about
Bail did you know that he actually learned

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how to work inside the st ill
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is I think it's kind of funny
because, uh, deer Hunter. You

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know, yeah, this this mos
got a little bit of deer Hunter in

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it. Does it feel Deer Hunter
to you? Okay? I didn't know

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if it was just yeah, okay. I thought it was ironic because,

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um, when Scott and Dave did
the did the Deer Hunter not too long

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ago, you know, they talked
to you know, I think was Scott

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mentioned DeNiro wanted to learn how to
do the do the work, and they're

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you know, they're like, no, we're not we're not doing that.

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forty five years later, Christian Bell
says I want to learn, They're like,

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yeah, come on in. You
know we said no and the last

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one and it won Best Picture,
so we'll go ahead. Yeah, I

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tell you you know Bales performance again. I love the genuine happiness he has

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when he's released. Yeah. Do
you ever think about this? Every time

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you see a movie where a bad
guy is released from prison, you know,

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like again DeNiro, Cape fear Right, or you've got a hero character

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who's getting out of prison, they
always do the tough guy walk. Yeah,

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you know when they leave the bail. When he steps out the door,

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it's like he's he just walked into
Disney World. I love how he's

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hoping, he's running, he's hopping
around, he's he's laughing. Yeah,

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you know, he grabs his little
brother and picks him up, and then

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he's like, oh well I'm running, I'm going to you. I want

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to drive. He still love what
have you not got to do in five

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years? Drive? Yeah? I
want to drive their gearheads, you know

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they want to drive. Yeah,
oh that car that Casey Affleck has,

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who buddy, love that love that
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Let's talk a little bit. Uh, I got I got some fun

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stuff about the background of this movie. Brad. So, Initially this is

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a spec script called The Low Dweller. Okay, uh it was and actually

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made. It was one of the
popular ones on the two thousand and eight

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Blacklist, which you know, you're
in Hollywood, you know what that's all

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about. The Blacklist? Yeah,
great script by Brad inglesby M Right.

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So you know, Never Never Never
gets picked up. DiCaprio and Ridley Scott,

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they get it, they get an
idea for it. M Cooper gets

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involved. Cooper rewrites it and kind
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Appalachia. And then here's what I
think is cool. Original story didn't take

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place in Braddock, Pennsylvania, But
after he reads an article about the declining

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steel industry there and how they're trying
to revive the town, right, he

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decides, let's let's go there,
let's shoot the movie there. There's no

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sound station in this movie at all. This is all on location, right,

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I love that about this movie too. And again, like I said,

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originally it had Ridley Scott and Leonardo
DiCaprio attached, but they were they

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were so in love with the project
they stayed on as producers. So yeah,

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it was kind of interesting to see
their names at the end credits.

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You're like, hey, this is
some big guys there. Well yeah,

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even at the beginning when you see
the Scott free logo. Yeah, and

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you're like, okay, because you
know DiCaprio as a producer, Ridley's a

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producer. Um, I think Tony
Scott was a producer. Yeah, like

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this there's like laundry. Look like
I saw who's who of producers on this

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um to get it made, and
I you know, and you can see

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like when you have talent kind of
kind of guiding talent across the board,

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across the board, this is what
happens, right. Yeah. Okay,

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So in a in a movie like
this where you have got some powerhouse performances,

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some amazing moments, I gotta I
gotta ask you, um, if

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if if there's a pivotal scene for
you in this movie, what would it

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be? What's what's the what's something
to where? Yeah, do you have

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something, Brad, where you were
just like, this is this is it?

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This is the moment that this movie
really turns on. Yes, and

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it does two things. It is
the one that turns it around and the

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reason I think Casey Affleck it was
the right person for this job. And

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it is the scene where um Russell
discovers that Rodney was doing some you know,

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street fighting and how how he's making
his money. And he goes and

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he tells him that, you know, work at the mill, and Casey

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Affleck's car is like, I don't
want to work at the mill, and

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he says to him, don't be
ashamed to work for a living, and

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that just sets off a spark and
he goes off on him about doing all

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this stuff in Iraq and pulling up
his shirt and showing that scar. I'm

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like, and after his entire speel, I'm like, he's right, He's

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right. What what you know you
seem he's trying to look for work and

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the film and it's it's so tragic, but he does this full on like

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you know, SmackDown scream to Russell. Ronnie does and it's not only you

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know, energetic and you know,
rageful, but he's also correct, this

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is this is the most important scene
in the movie. I'm glad you said,

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I'm glad you chose this one because
it's it's exactly what I was.

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Right, Yeah, it absolutely is. You know, we're we're into the

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movie, right, And again we
talked about this being like kind of like

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a dark revenge you know, thriller. Yeah, this is it's a situation

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where our hero takes you know,
something bad happens in the beginning of the

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movie, and then they spend the
rest of the movie, you know,

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seeking out the revenge. We get
some time to to to to bond with

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these two brothers. And I don't
know about you, but like, up

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until this moment, I'm kind of
like, damn, what is Casey flex

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problem? Why can't Rodney just get
his get his act together? And you

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know, and again it's like you
know, yeah, I get it.

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You're the little brother, so you
don't want to listen to the big brother.

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You don't want you know, because
we know everything, right, But

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you're like, why can't he just
show a little respect to what Christian Belle,

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you know, his character Russell.
Why can't he show some respect to

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what he does and what his father
does and and bail. You you feel

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kind of bad, like you're like, yeah, you're right, man,

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set him straight, like he needs
to work at the mill. And when

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he has that, you know,
he's like, f the mill, man,

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I don't I don't want to do
that, and Christian Belle gets angry.

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You're angry with him until this incredible
moment for Casey Affleck where he just

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gets unhinged and lets this rage out
and he, you know, has a

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real I don't know about you,
but I felt like like Stallone at the

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end of First Blood when he breaks
down and he's talking about the horrible things

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that he had to see and do. Yeah, and Casey Affleck's kind of

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channeling a little bit of that that
little John Rambo moment and he's talking about

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some of the horrible things that he
did. And then you're like, oh,

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okay, okay, calm down,
now, we get it. Yeah,

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you maybe you had, maybe you're
right and how you're feeling, and

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you're just like, man, you
know, it's a scene that shakes you.

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It really as I think, and
I remember saying it out loud as

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I was watching it going after he
was done, I go, he's right,

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you know, Yeah, he's right. I looked at it. You

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know again, when you're watching a
film when you have a brother and you're

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watching a film about brothers that are
you know, that are in a fight,

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and you're always like, who am
I siding with? I immediately felt

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bad, you know, and I
thought, like I felt I felt bad

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for Christian Bale because I'm like,
Okay, how do you fix this?

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Now? What do you what do
you do to make make the peace?

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And you know, like, do
you offer how are you gonna get your

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little brothers some help? How are
you gonna you know now that you now

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that you know how he feels,
what are you gonna do? So?

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And I love the I love the
fact that it's actually Casey Affleck who takes

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that step, you know, with
the with the letter that he writes.

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Yeah. Yeah, such a great
moment. I just man, such a

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great powerful momentum. Might be the
best, might be the best performance I've

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ever seen Casey Affleck do in that's
in that scene. Yeah, he's fantastic.

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Yeah, So I have a question
for you before we uh, before

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we get to Scott Cooper and his
his filmography and and it kind of we're

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talking about the ending here. Okay, okay, so again and you know,

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spoiler alert for anyone that hasn't seen
this I know, Brad. We

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pick out the underrated films and we
try to shine some light on them.

408
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Uh. If you haven't seen this
film and you don't want it to be

409
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spoiled, then please just just hit
stop. Check the movie out, uh,

410
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and then come back to us.
And oh, by the way,

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you can check it out on to
Be or Amazon Prime. It's streaming free

412
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.359
on both of those platforms. Uh, check it out and then come back

413
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.039
and see us and uh and jump
back in. Brad. I want to

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00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.880
talk about this ending real quick,
because we get we get the revenge,

415
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:21.319
We get what we want. Woody
Harrelson gets what's coming to him. Christian

416
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:26.839
Bale very cold blooded in his in
his uh his vengeance, you know,

417
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.480
just take you know, he's gotta
he's gotta was it a three h eight

418
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:34.599
rifle and he's taking shots at him, you know, like wounding him,

419
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:40.200
and Woody Harrelson's just like a wounded
animal trying to get away. And then

420
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:41.759
you're like, come on, do
it, uh, you know, or

421
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:47.480
your thinking is he gonna do it? Forrest Whittaker rolls up in the police

422
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:49.960
you know, the black and white
with the lights, you know, jumps

423
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:53.200
out, don't do it? Put
the gun down, and he doesn't put

424
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:57.240
the gun down. My question to
you, Brad, did Russell have to

425
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:05.200
kill Harland de Groat? Yes?
Everything that he did was well deserved.

426
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.640
I love that he took his time. I love it. Harlan deserved that

427
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:13.880
kind of I love it. Do
you know who I am? Do you

428
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.359
know who I am? I love
that. I think that's this is a

429
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:22.480
This is a lot of people letting
out their rage in this movie. So

430
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:27.680
if you can't handle men just letting
all their anger out, then this is

431
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.680
not the movie for you. But
if you feel because you feel a little

432
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.319
bit of a release when that happens
you, I'm sorry, I was cheering,

433
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.839
I was happy when he was doing
it. Yeah. Is it cruel?

434
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:44.880
Yeah, but it's deserving. Okay, So are you aware of the

435
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.240
altar the original ending? That's a
little bit yeah, yeah, a little

436
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:52.640
a little bit. We do we
want to talk about that because it's it's

437
00:32:52.880 --> 00:33:00.000
it's very drastically different. So the
original ending is very dark and test audience

438
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:05.680
it is absolutely hated. So we're
in this field Bales got the gun on

439
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:10.640
him. And it's not just Forced
Whittaker rolling up, it's a whole it's

440
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:15.240
like several police cars. They all
jump out and and now you got a

441
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:22.720
standoff situation. Belle murders h Woody
Harrelson and then they shoot him down.

442
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.599
And everyone hated it. And I
gotta tell you, I absolutely would have

443
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:31.759
hated an ending like that. Um. I love the I love the fact

444
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:37.839
that it's just Forced Whittaker because they
his character and Christian Bale's character, they've

445
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:45.279
got their own, um, their
own uh grudge with each other. And

446
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.000
I love the fact, you know, we always it's almost like a seven

447
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.920
and like, yeah, you we
need to see Woody Harrelson get executed,

448
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:59.960
right, And then you're like,
okay, what's going to happen to Christian

449
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.920
Baille now? And they could have
Scott Cooper could have ended the film right

450
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:07.640
there and just left it like,
oh, I'm sure you know obviously he's

451
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:13.239
going back to jail. But we
get that scene Christian bail is sitting in

452
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:20.599
his living room smoking a cigarette.
It's dark, Pearl Jam's release starts playing

453
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.559
and then we fade to black,
and you could not get a better ending

454
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:30.000
than that. Right. Yeah,
here's what I've got a very interesting quote,

455
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:34.840
uh from Scott Cooper about this ending
though, and I think you'll,

456
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.360
I think you'll definitely appreciate this,
um, you know, because as I

457
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:40.679
said, as he's sitting in you
know, in his living room and we

458
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:45.880
fade to black, it doesn't really
paint the happy ending. Obviously. It's

459
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:50.679
it's happy for us because we didn't
want him to go to jail, but

460
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.760
he doesn't look like he's doing anything
much better. Right, So here's what's

461
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:59.719
Here's what Scott Cooper says. He
says, and I quote it's an homage

462
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:05.400
to The Godfather Part two. This
is a man who is battling his soul

463
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.920
and living with the consequences of violence. When he went to kill Harlan de

464
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:13.239
Groat, he thought he could have
gone to prison or be killed by the

465
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.960
police. He never thought he would
get off, and that the sheriff would

466
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:22.559
ultimately say, let me make this
right. And he does. And Cooper

467
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.360
goes on to say, this is
a man who, whether he's in prison

468
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:30.400
or not, he's in prison for
the rest of his life. Hopefully he

469
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.760
will find peace and contentment at some
point. I'm a very optimistic person.

470
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:39.840
I hope that ultimately Russell Bays does
find that great quote about the ending of

471
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:45.119
the film. He offered that to
the Huffting the Post when it came out.

472
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.880
But I just think the ending,
it's got such a satisfying ending.

473
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.360
Yeah, because you're you're happy for
him, but you're still sad for him.

474
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:59.880
Russell deserves a good life. He
does. Well, we're gonna take

475
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:01.079
a quick break, but when we
get back, we're going to talk about

476
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:15.719
director Scott Cooper. Welcome to the
All Eighties Movies Podcast. I'm Bill and

477
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:19.400
I'm Jason, and this is the
podcast where we talk about the blockbusters,

478
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.639
the flops, and everything in between
from one of the freshest decades for movies,

479
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.719
the nineteen eighties. So whether you're
a brain, a jock, a

480
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.239
valley girl, or a Jedi,
we've got some Eighties classics for you to

481
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:36.320
These movies stand the test of time. Are we discovering something new? Is

482
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there an Eighties movie we are finally
watching for the first time. Join us

483
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:44.880
each week as we dive into the
cinematic nostalgia that inspired and influenced a generation,

484
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.039
from the hits to the cult classics. We'll discuss our earliest memories,

485
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.039
favorite scenes, fun facts, and
are not so favorite movie moments too.

486
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You can find the All Eighties Movies
podcast wherever you listen to your podcast.

487
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Please subscribe and happy listening. Okay, Jason, test of our friendship,

488
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.800
which is better Van Halen or Van
hagar Man? Honestly, I think Van

489
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:12.920
hagar has better music. Oh no, no, no, no, it's

490
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.679
Van Hampy. You're wrong. What
about Michael Jackson's bad album versus Michael Jackson's

491
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.400
thriller out Thriller obviously best seller ever? No, no, see people tricked

492
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.320
themselves and believe that it's actually bad. Okay, Trading Places versus Coming to

493
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:27.719
America. Trade Places is the funnier
movie out of this down No Coming to

494
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:31.320
America. It is the funniest movie
of all time. So if you find

495
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.039
yourself backing one of us or the
other of us, you need to be

496
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.920
listening to the Shirley You can't be
serious podcasts. That's right. We have

497
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:39.400
a friendly discussion. D and I
are best buddies, and we take a

498
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:43.320
deep dive and look at the behind
the scenes stuff, the history and the

499
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.599
fun facts of all these wonderful movies. And music from our youth. It's

500
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.920
really just an opportunity for us to
geek out about the things that we really

501
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.360
loved growing up. For example,
do you know the actor that was in

502
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.400
Star Wars, Batman eighty nine and
Raiders of the Lost Art, Yeah,

503
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:58.760
Chris Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford was
in Batman? Oh yeah, Billy d

504
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:00.400
Williams. Billy D Williams was not
in Raiders of the Lost Stark. Who

505
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.880
is it? Well, you've got
to tune in to the Surely you Can't

506
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:06.719
Be Serious podcast when we discussed Raiders
of the Lost Stark Dresses back to the

507
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:13.199
future to find out the answer,
and we're back. Yeah, and um,

508
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:17.480
we're gonna be talking about director Scott
Cooper, who is making a quite

509
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:23.000
of a name for its himself.
I think there's this new list of directors

510
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:29.119
with him on it. There's that
maybe don't have the Christopher Nolan satist getting

511
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:36.280
there, ari Ast Andrew Dominic obviously, like Dennis Novelle nWave, Matt Reeves.

512
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:40.159
These guys are starting to get there. They always seem to get big

513
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.480
cast, just like Scott Cooper does
and all of his films, but they're

514
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.159
really starting to make a name for
themselves. All right, Well, I

515
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.360
got a couple of things to offer
you about Scott Cooper. I think,

516
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.360
I mean with his body of work. You know, we're talking about six

517
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.800
films, so maybe we can maybe
we could spend a little extra time on

518
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:01.559
each movie, if you're cool with
that. Yeah, and lucky enough,

519
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.599
we've seen all of them. We
have. Uh, yeah, we and

520
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.039
we'll we'll we'll tell you, we'll
tell you if you should as well.

521
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:12.679
Uh. Here's the cool thing about
Scott Cooper. You know, because this

522
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.599
guy, he's young, Brad,
he's fifty three years old. Uh.

523
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:20.000
He trained as an actor at the
famous Lee Strasburg Theater and Film Institute in

524
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:24.639
New York City. He spent a
decade working as an actor and uh small

525
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:29.559
film roles and TV. Uh.
We're both X Files fans. I don't

526
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.119
know if you if you caught h
He's he was in an X Files episode,

527
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:37.400
really he was. It was actually
it was a season seven episode five

528
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:43.079
called Rush played a character named Max
Harden. You have to remind me that

529
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.920
was that. Well, I know
we've both seen it was that at that

530
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:50.519
seven season seven. That's Molder was
like had been kidnapped her at that point

531
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:53.079
right, I think we I have
to look at what Scully's hair is at

532
00:39:53.159 --> 00:40:00.519
the time. Okay, yeah,
he's he's some some prominent TV work.

533
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:05.159
And then, as we said with
the with film, he did have a

534
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.400
small role in Austin Powers, the
Spy Who Shagmy. It was his role

535
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:15.480
though as Lieutenant Joseph Morrison in Gods
in Generals, where he meets Robert Duval

536
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:22.960
on set. They become very good
friends, so much so that Duval becomes

537
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:29.800
a mentor of sorts to him.
Okay, so not a bet. If

538
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.480
you're going to have anyone in your
corner, Robert Duval is not a bad

539
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:37.320
choice, right, Yeah, so
he went to the Lee Strasburg Uh,

540
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:44.000
you know, acting school connected to
Godfather Too. He's Robert Duval is his

541
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.960
mentor, you know. So,
yeah, he's got a lot of Godfather

542
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:52.599
Too connections. He's he surrounds himself
with Godfather. He types types. Nothing

543
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:57.719
wrong with that, Absolutely nothing wrong
with that. It's actually it's Duval who

544
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:02.360
was a producer on his directorial debut. Talk about two thousand and nine Crazy

545
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:07.679
Heart. Yeah, um, what
an interesting film. You know, it

546
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:13.360
almost like this could have what happened
to the dude gets Jeff Bridges, is,

547
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:19.159
you know, long overdue Oscar,
but Crazy Hearts it's it's a great

548
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:24.320
movie, great soundtrack, great performances. You know this is it did a

549
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:28.159
lot you know too, I don't, I don't can't remember if it was

550
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.320
nominated for Best Picture of that year
as well, but well it did.

551
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:35.199
It won two Academy Awards. I
know that, Um, because it hinged.

552
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.920
And here's the way, here's what's
funny. Bridges almost passed on Crazy

553
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:44.119
Heart, which would have been terrible
for that movie. But his whole his

554
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.960
whole issue. He took issue with
the fact that there was no one prominent

555
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:51.639
attached to it when it came to
music, and he and Bridges nos,

556
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:54.320
like, look, if we don't
have a good song, if we don't

557
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:59.639
have good, good music for this, it's not gonna work. And then

558
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:01.440
it's not It's right, you know. Shortly after that, t Bone Burnette

559
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:06.639
gets involved, who is one of
the most famous music producers, and you

560
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:09.599
know, um, but yeah,
I mean think about that. They Bridges

561
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:15.239
does his own singing, as does
Colin Farrell, and they both sound really

562
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.960
damn good. Yeah. Yeah,
love that movie. It netted uh well,

563
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.800
it won, it won the Academy
Award for Best Song, gets Bridges,

564
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:29.159
his his his Oscar for Best Actor. So absolutely fantastic film. And

565
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:34.320
the fact that this is Scott Cooper's
directorial debut. Yeah, that that tells

566
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.840
you right there. This guy is
he's he's gonna, he's gonna do what

567
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.199
he wants, and he's he's gonna
get the talent that he wants, right

568
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:47.519
yeah, and he keeps getting it
and then we I mean this the second

569
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:51.360
film is the film we're talking about
today. Out of the Furnace, you

570
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:58.679
know, twenty thirteen. Yeah again, Uh well, you know, we

571
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:00.679
were just talking about music. Here's
here's what I love about this movie.

572
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:07.320
You and I are both huge Pearl
Jam fans. Right right, release off

573
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:13.679
their their debut album ten is a
fantastic song. It fits this movie so

574
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.679
well. But the fact that the
fact is, it wasn't supposed to be

575
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:20.280
in this movie, right, it
was supposed to be just Eddie Vetter was

576
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.280
supposed to record some music for it. Right Here's yeah, so he this

577
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:29.239
is what I found out. Apparently
Eddie Vetter wrote and recorded like five songs

578
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:35.079
for this movie. He and Scott
Cooper agree like together, they're like,

579
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.840
you know, what. It just
doesn't feel right like the songs. Like

580
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:42.360
Scott Cooper told Eddie Vedder, these
songs are too good, they're too powerful,

581
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:47.480
and they will overshadow the performances in
this movie. It'll overshadow the movie.

582
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.800
And they decided, yeah, let's
not do it, let's not use

583
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:57.840
them, and they're never released.
Why why is that? Like I'm wondering

584
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.360
if they were reworked into other songs
or on I would love to find that

585
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:06.039
out. Be like we saw maybe
later Pearl Jam or Eddie Better solo songs

586
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.599
were kind of reworked. That's something
we could well, Yeah, let's do

587
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:13.760
a little homework on that, because
I would love to know if if they're

588
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.760
out there. Uh. Two years
after this movie, though, Brad twenty

589
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:23.639
fifteen, he teams up with Johnny
Depp and does Black Mass which is the

590
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:28.880
Whitey Bulger movie. Yeah, this
was a good movie. This is good

591
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:34.800
another Yeah, a lot another movie
with a lot of great supporting stars as

592
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.800
well. You know, good story, um, you know, really great

593
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:45.000
acting. Very I like the way
Cooper does a very realistic it almost feels

594
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:51.920
like they're improvising a little bit.
It seems very natural. It doesn't feel

595
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.440
scripted. But yeah, I felt
that with with a lot of his films,

596
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:58.119
but yeah, especially with Black Mass. I mean, he got Joel

597
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.000
Edgerton in that movie, Johnny Depp, you know, Benedict Cumberbatch. You

598
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:05.320
know, it's just and you know, we love those, you know,

599
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:10.760
gangster involved with some kind of Washington
crooked you know, politician. You know,

600
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.719
we love that stuff. Well,
that's also that's where he first works

601
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:20.079
with Jesse Plemons too, because oh
yeah, yeah, you know, because

602
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.480
Cooper's he's one of these directors.
We've talked about this on other episodes where

603
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:29.920
a director gets several people and kind
of they become like his go to or

604
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:34.840
her go to ensemble, right like
every every you know, maybe not always

605
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:36.519
in the same movie at the same
time, but it's like, hey,

606
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:39.719
I got you in this one.
I'll see you two movies from now right,

607
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:43.880
Yeah, and all who are good
though there's never, like like I

608
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.039
said in our film, in Crazy
Heart and all these films, there's never

609
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:51.480
something in there like I don't like
that guy. They're always really good actors.

610
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.360
Oh yeah, it's yeah, I'll
say this. I like Black Mass,

611
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:58.719
but I think I would have liked
it more if I had never seen

612
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:02.960
The Departed because you know, you
know, Jack's basically Jack's playing white.

613
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.800
We know that. Yeah, and
if you get if you're if you're putting

614
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:09.880
Jack against depth, it's like,
well, you know, yeah, because

615
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.280
Jack, you know, yeah,
he's deplorable. But at the same time

616
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:20.360
he was fun to watch, you
know, whereas Johnny Depp's character, you

617
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.119
know, he's he's almost like Harlan
to grow where I don't. I don't

618
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:28.320
like him in the movie at all. Right, Yeah, and uh,

619
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:34.920
Scott Cooper loves his bad guys with
bad teeth. Yeah, tethys, bad

620
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.840
teeth, bad guys. I picked
up on that. So Black Mass also

621
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:44.159
want to point out it's the only
movie that he's directed that he didn't write

622
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:47.079
the script. So really, yeah, that's that's the only one. You

623
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:51.840
know, he was He's five for
six when it comes to writing. Um.

624
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.920
But but still great film. Another
two years we get to one.

625
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:59.559
Uh, I think is a fantastic
film. I know it's uh, I

626
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:04.519
know you're a big fan of it, that's right. Twenty seventeens Hostiles.

627
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:08.239
Yes, man, this is a
When I was rewatching this the other night,

628
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:14.119
I almost called you about fifteen minutes
into it. And ask you did

629
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:19.119
we did we totally green light Out
of the Furnace because this movie is just

630
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:25.400
fantastic and it really is one of
those again, a lot of rage,

631
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:34.400
a lot of things that many people
might find cruel, but man, nobody,

632
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.960
I mean everybody gives in that movie. Everybody gives everything that they have

633
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:43.599
in that movie. And that movie
is Man. And that's another one like

634
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.800
Out of the Furnace, it's rough
Man, it is, it's so good.

635
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:51.440
Well, Bail, you know,
this is this is where Cooper really

636
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.599
starts to shine because now he's doing
a period piece. You know, he

637
00:47:55.599 --> 00:48:00.880
he gets back together with Christian Bail. You know, now I think it

638
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:02.920
takes place like eighteen nineties, early
in eighteen nineties. He's, uh,

639
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:09.719
you know, this legendary army captain
who definitely has um a bit of a

640
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:13.840
chip on his shoulder. Yeah,
you know, he's gotta he's got this.

641
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:15.239
He's got the assignment no one,
no one wants. Right, He's

642
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:21.079
got to score a chief, a
shy in chief, through a through dangerous

643
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:25.000
territory. Right. Yeah, and
uh, man, talk about again surrounding

644
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:30.480
yourself with just incredible performers. You
know, Bail is back Rosamond Pike is

645
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:36.599
in this um West studie. You
know a lot of people don't remember.

646
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.480
Uh, Timothy Shalomay is in Hostiles. You remember, yeah, very briefly,

647
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:45.239
you have, very briefly. Yeah, but he's there. Yeah,

648
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:51.480
I mean Timothy Shalomay. Uh,
Jimon Clemens again, Uh, Stephen Lange

649
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:58.000
who yea Yeah. Just a fantastic
film, it is. It is that

650
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:02.760
opening scene. Yeah, definitely,
definitely brutal, but man, what a

651
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:07.880
great film. You know. It's
funny you say, like you almost called

652
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:09.800
up, called me up to say, let's let's switch gears and and talk

653
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:15.199
about this and talk about Hostiles.
The thing about his filmography, we're talking

654
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:22.199
he's got six films, right,
and all six of them are fantastic,

655
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.599
and looking at him so far,
all six of them, we could have

656
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:29.440
we could have talked about any one
of these. Yastly, you know,

657
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.440
there's no blockbuster here. There's no
with exception of Crazy Heart, which won

658
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:37.000
some Academy Awards, it's still a
bad movie. It's only attention. It

659
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.039
was still a small film. Yeah. Yeah, you know what, maybe

660
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.599
maybe we'll have to come back,
well, maybe we'll have to talk about

661
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:44.760
Hostiles. Maybe we can do that
for a Patreon, you know, we

662
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:51.719
could. We'll discuss that after the
show. But twenty twenty one he dips

663
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:57.960
into the horror genre with Antlers Okay, a film I was extremely excited about

664
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:02.000
because it was a Sky Cooper film, and I just found it kind of

665
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:07.239
forgettable, you know, really it
didn't have that It didn't have that punch

666
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:13.599
that I feel that the rest of
his films did. I I love it

667
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:15.880
because it's it is small town.
It is a small town horror film,

668
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:22.400
and it's got the monster movie elements
to it, and it also has the

669
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:28.400
the the myth and legend aspect to
it. Carry Russell, you know,

670
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:34.159
she plays a she's like a teacher. Her brother Jesse Plemons back again playing

671
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:39.559
the sheriff. I I'm watching the
movie because the trailer really doesn't give you

672
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:45.639
any indication of what what is it? A serial killer? Is it?

673
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:50.119
Is it a creature? What is
it? Um? So the big reveal

674
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.360
at the end, which you know, if you if you haven't seen it,

675
00:50:53.400 --> 00:51:00.719
I'm sorry. The fact that they
used the legend of the Windigo as

676
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:05.639
the as the the creature as the
monster. That's brilliant, you know.

677
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:07.000
And then it tied the whole for
me. It tied the whole movie together

678
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:12.000
because Kerry Russell. You know,
she's playing a teacher and she's teaching her

679
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:16.679
class about the difference between myth legend, fairy tale fable. Yeah. Uh

680
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:22.679
and that poor little kid, um
that's caught at the you know, the

681
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.360
center of the story. I don't
know who he is. I don't know

682
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:30.360
where he's where he's at now,
But how is he not gonna be like

683
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.119
a major star if he if he, if he chooses to, Because that

684
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.400
kid did some he did a hell
of a job in that movie. Yeah,

685
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.360
give it time time. Yeah,
I don't know. Yeah, I

686
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:45.239
uh so Antlers not not too much. Uh, you're not too much a

687
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:50.239
fan of I mean I would give
it a second chance Sunday watch. Um,

688
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:54.079
but I just remember being like I
think I had, my expectations were

689
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:59.800
way too high. Okay, okay, well let's talk talk about expectations.

690
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:06.800
I had expectations for his most recent
film because of you. You want to

691
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:09.159
you want to tell us about that
one? Yeah, it came out this

692
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:14.360
past Christmas. Is a Netflix film. It's called The Pale Blue Eye.

693
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:19.039
Starting out of the furnaces, Christian
Bale. What a good movie, right?

694
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:23.719
Yes, I remember. Look,
we had we had written the schedule,

695
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.679
like we we knew the episodes,
we knew what we were doing.

696
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.320
You call me up and you're like, have you seen the Pale Blue Eye?

697
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:34.480
I said, I don't. I
have no idea what you're talking about.

698
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.159
I don't know the movie. And
you're like, it's it's new Netflix

699
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:42.920
movie, Christian Bale, we Gotta, we Gotta, we gotta, we

700
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.199
gotta do Out of the Furnace.
And I'm like, what the hell are

701
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:50.519
you talking about? And wasn't it
you you saw this, you saw the

702
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.239
Pale Blue Eye, and that led
you to out of the Furnace? Correct?

703
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.119
Do I have that? No?
I think it just it was one

704
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:58.920
of those things that happened like a
week. Out of the Furnace. For

705
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:04.079
one week around December was playing on
like every streamer ever and it kept popping

706
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.239
up and I was like, I
feel like I should watch this and put

707
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.360
it off and put off, and
just one I was like, breakdown and

708
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:14.280
watch it and kind of forgot that
it was a Scott Cooper movie and I

709
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:17.079
was like yeah, I was like
he did this and he didn't like this

710
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:21.920
guy's done more than I thought that. I enjoyed, you know because like

711
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:24.400
I said, he's not a Christopher
Nolan, huge type of name. And

712
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:28.400
then you as, hey, I
really like what this guy does, and

713
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:32.639
I think The Pale Blue Eye when
you talk about cinematography, Oh whoa,

714
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:40.239
yeah again, Uh Masanabu taka Yanagi
that guy. I'm telling you, if

715
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:46.880
you have a four K television,
you owe it to yourself to watch The

716
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:52.920
Pale Blue Eye on Netflix because it
is stunning what this movie looks like.

717
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:57.599
It's just stunning. I love it
too, and it's it's cool. It's

718
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.280
a it's a it's a it's a
mystery like mystery. It's a horror movie.

719
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:06.679
Uh blends a little fiction with little
nonfiction because uh, we're again,

720
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:10.559
we're you know, back in I
don't know what it is, seventeen hundreds

721
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:16.280
or something, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Edgar Allan Poe, a

722
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:22.440
student at West Point, you know, gets teamed up with Christian Bales like

723
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.119
detective who's uh you know, there's
a murder, you know, and they're

724
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:29.239
trying to figure out who. I'll
tell you, I never saw the ending

725
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:31.119
of that one coming. The twist
at the end was a good twist at

726
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.440
the end of the movie. Oh
man, was it a good twist?

727
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.840
Uh, just a sensational story.
Very much a slow burn too. Yeah,

728
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:44.760
all of his films are Yeah,
I loved it about that. Um,

729
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:46.840
you know you got some you got
some great people showing up in this.

730
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:53.920
We we mentioned the X Files coincidentally
just a minute ago. Yeah,

731
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:58.679
she's she's got a small role in
it. Uh. Robert Duval has a

732
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.639
small role in it. Ye,
so again you know he's he always surrounds

733
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:07.559
himself with with incredible talent. Toby
Jones is in it. Uh. And

734
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:09.880
the guy, the guy that plays
Edgar Allan Poe. I haven't seen him

735
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:15.039
in anything. I think Harry Melling. Yeah, yes you have. I

736
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:21.679
Okay, where are saying? A
meaner older brother in the Harry Potter film

737
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:30.920
franchise, The Dorseys Dorsleys, Dudley's
He's not Dudley Dorset. I'm checking.

738
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:34.760
I'm checking you right now, do
it. I'm I'm fact checking you.

739
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:39.119
There's no way that, holy cow, that's Dudley Dursley. Yeah. The

740
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:47.360
Harry Potter films. Man, he
looks so different and i'minal performance completely.

741
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:52.559
Um might have to show up on
one of our snub by Oscar Specials.

742
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:59.039
Yeah, well, not only does
he do an amazing job, he looks

743
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.239
like Edgar, Yeah, like a
young Poe. He looks he looks like

744
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:07.480
him. So yeah, absolutely fantastic
film. It's currently streaming on Netflix.

745
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:13.079
And yeah, uh you owe to
yourself to watch that one, you know,

746
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:17.360
Brad, let's do a quick rundown
here. Uh, crazy Heart out

747
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:22.320
of the Furnace, Black Masks,
Hostiles, Antlers, and the Pale Blue

748
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:25.400
Eye. These are all you want
to see him, right I'd buy that

749
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:30.400
box set absolutely absolutely, and they're
all available right now too, Like you

750
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:36.159
can. You can pretty much find
all of these streaming on on Netflix or

751
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.079
Hulu or Prime. I mean they're
you're scattered, but they're they're available.

752
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:47.920
Um. Just a stunning filmography for
Scott Cooper already. But now, now

753
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:52.239
do we know what he is doing
next? Because I would love to know.

754
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:58.840
You know, here's the thing about
Cooper. Uh, he does have

755
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.800
a project in the works, but
he's not directing it as far as what's

756
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:06.960
next for him, so and you
know, maybe that could change because this

757
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:08.880
is like it's like a pre production
thing, but I can't tell you.

758
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:16.199
He's currently writing a film called A
Head Full of Ghosts. So listen to

759
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:19.760
this. This this is I know, here's what I can tell you about

760
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:25.599
it. Um. Apparently twenty years
I'm reading this, Uh, twenty years

761
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:31.639
after her family was publicly destroyed by
her teenage sister's mysterious affliction, a young

762
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:37.760
woman tells the story in her own
words, revealing a far more terrifying version

763
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:43.639
of what really happened in her childhood
home. So sounds like maybe he's sticking,

764
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:46.320
like you know Antler's twenty twenty one, p. Twenty twenty two.

765
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:55.440
Maybe he's kind of staying in that
that supernatural dark area. He might maybe

766
00:57:55.440 --> 00:58:00.719
have a horror trilogy in his Uh, that's what he's up to. Maybe

767
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.800
one more and then something else.
Okay, Well, I mean I'll ask

768
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.519
you, like, what would you
want to see this guy? Obviously he's

769
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:10.760
got a he's got a career,
a big career him after we're gonna do

770
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:15.079
after looking at this filmography, he
has covered a lot of ground. But

771
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:20.760
one I think he would do stellar
in his science fiction. I think he

772
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:27.599
would do a great science fiction film, something in the future, outer space.

773
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.719
I think he would do great,
especially as beautiful as his cinematography is

774
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:35.800
um. His casting is always great. You're gonna get a great cast.

775
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:38.920
His stuff always looks good, it
always looks real. I think he'd be

776
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:43.320
great science fiction director. Okay,
so you want to you're going, I

777
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:49.039
mean him doing anything with space would
be fantastic. So you've got there.

778
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:53.280
Yeah, do you want do you
want something of thriller you know, Alien

779
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:58.119
Prometheus esque? But I mean you
look at his stuff. He's gonna he's

780
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.039
gonna make it interesting, he's gonna
make it dark. Okay, So but

781
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:06.840
what would you want him to kind
of go in the vein of you know,

782
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:09.360
fiction where it's something more like Antlers
where or do you want him to

783
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:15.079
stay realistic, you know, more
more of a nonfiction where it's well,

784
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.480
he really both. Yeah, but
I like when he kind of blends him,

785
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:20.440
you know, by using like the
kind of things that he does in

786
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:22.960
Pale Blue Eyes. So, I
mean, his choice, but things that

787
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:28.360
have familiar ground always make it more
interesting. So, yeah, surprise us

788
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.119
with a science fiction film, Scott
Cooper. I second that, absolutely,

789
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:38.320
you can finish your horror trilogy.
Though, all right, what else do

790
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:42.239
we got coming up here? Pretty
soon? I mean we were coming up

791
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.639
in April. Now at the beginning, we got it's yeah, April just

792
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:49.440
started. This is a big month
for us. Uh. Actually, next

793
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:55.239
week pretty busy week for the film
by crew. H Scott and David are

794
00:59:55.320 --> 01:00:00.000
back on Tuesday. Uh, they're
they're gonna be talking. But one of

795
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.239
our favorites and maybe one of the
best zombie movies of all time A film

796
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.360
at forty five is covering the forty
fifth anniversary of Dawn of the Dead.

797
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:15.360
Oh nice, nice, love the
Invasion of the Body Snatchers episode two.

798
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:22.159
Oh they did great on that one. And then Thursday the thirteenth, we

799
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:28.679
got we got our first crossover event. Uh. We got together with the

800
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:34.280
Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast,
the thirty something podcast on Her Majesty's Secret

801
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:42.920
Podcast. Because April thirteenth is the
seventieth anniversary of Ian Fleming's first James Bond

802
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:46.760
novel, and we thought what better
way to celebrate than to get us several

803
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:52.199
of us together. We're doing a
Bond Girl draft in the vein of much

804
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.440
in the vein of a fantasy football
style draft. We're gonna we're gonna make

805
01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:00.559
our picks. And then lastly,
we definitely want you to check out our

806
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:07.519
friends Bill and Jason over at the
All Eighties podcast, because I believe on

807
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:12.320
Friday, uh we're over there talking
about blood Sport with this. Is it

808
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:15.840
finally blood Sport time? I mean
itching to hear that bad boy. We

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are, we are, we are
entering the kumata. I believe we'll have

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to double check them, but uh
yeah, stay tuned, stay tuned for

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that. So, Brad, where
did you said? Do you you watch

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this on Prime? Or did you
watch it on TB Right now? It

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is on to B for free.
Um but uh yeah, like I said,

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Amazon three ninety nine, but you
do a little search. I'm sure

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you can find it because it was
on a lot of them for a while.

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01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:40.679
Well, I think it's on Prime. I think it's streaming on probably

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01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:50.199
now yeah it is, okay,
sorry, Uh all right, Well I

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think that'll do it for us this
time. We'll see you next Tuesday.

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Where you take me the pain please,