A Film at 45: The Warriors with Special Guest Apache Ramos

0:00 I can't believe that we're going to be forty five years old in February. It's like unbelievable. Time is precious, Time is precious. It blows my mind. You see what you get, Warriors. You see what you get when you mess with the orphans. Goad on you, warriors, Pious, come out to Chainey, Warriors, come out to Plessy. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another season of a Film By Its limited series, A Film at forty five. I am David Burns and I'm Scott Hoffman, and we're excited to bring you this limited series from a Film By Podcast to talk about an iconic year in movie history. With a Film at forty five.

0:56 We're dusting off the end of a decade, the changed cinema forever with a fresh look at modern classics and hidden gems that we can't stop watching. Dave, we got a lot to talk about this year. Can you dig it? Oh? I can dig it. It is good to be back, and I hope everyone is they decided as we are. This time around, we are celebrating films from the year nineteen seventy nine, which are hitting our forty fifth anniversary. This year, we are going to immediately start off a bang by talking about one of the top fifty rated cult films of all time, The Warriors, based off the book by soul Yurik, and to our delight, joining us for this conversation and to start our second season is none other than one of the orphans from the film. That's right, folks, we have a patchy ramos with us. Apache. Welcome to the podcast.

1:38 Thank you, thank you. You know, it's an honor to be on your show. I'm listening to you guys, sound great well, Thank you, thank you. It's our honor to have you Apache. Believe me, it is, thank you, thank you. You know. I was like saying earlier that I just can't believe we're going to be forty five years old. I think it's February ninth is our birthday. Yeah, that's why why I was twenty four back then. Time is precious. Time is precious, It sure is. It is. Well, when we talked about doing one more season for a film of forty five, we knew that we had to start it with the Warriors. So it is a blessing that we were able to get you to join us to start it off. And you know, one of the things that I love about this film. In any film is when you know they are able to contain a story into a real time experience, and that is what this movie does, and it does it so well. Scott, how would you describe the Warriors for someone who's never seen this before? All right, let me try to do it justice. So, like you said, you know, it's about one fateful night when street gangs in New York, including the Warriors, all gathered together under a Trucian van Cortland Park. That's where Cyrus, leader of the Big Apple's biggest gang, tries to unite them all and rule the city. But when the rogues shoot Cyrus, they blame the Warriors, who have to run for their lives.

2:53 They have to make it through every street and the gangs that rule them, including the Orphans, the Lizzies, and the Baseball Furies, just to make it home to Coney Island. It's one of the most stylistic action movies ever and we're lucky to have one of its stars with us today. Apache. Just you know, just to start us off, take us back to that time when this movie came out. What was that reaction to it? Take you back to the time. We were still feeling the heat of seventy seven because the Summer of Hell in New York City. We had Son of Sam. We filmed the seventy eight We had Son of Sam as Mania going around shooting people. We had the blackout which wiped out my old neighborhood in the Bronx. New York was in bad shape. The President said, New York City go to Hell. It was a heat, a certain certain heat like now they're talking about, Oh, things is so violent now. It was a much more violent in the seventies when I was coming up. I was really coming up from the fifties of the sixties too, but it was a different time. You still felt the heat. And I think when Walt the Great waltz Hill filmed The Warriors in seventy eight, you could still feel that that tension in New York City. New York is pretty tense, and I think people were afraid. They talk about the violence in the movie.

4:08 We had protesters, which was like the best publicity ever. Look at the film. It's very mild now, I mean pretty mild. I think it was the concept that scared people, you know, of all the gangs got together, which is how it looked when I auditioned. Walter had this great eye. He would water the sets down and it just gave the film a cert and the music. Come on, you gotta give credit to the music. Yeah. Absolutely. You know when you looked at it, if you used to say, well, we're gonna freak you out with a gang that dresses up in baseball uniforms and puts kiss makeup on it, that doesn't make any sense. But visually, oh my god, it's so beautiful. You know. I still love watching it and every Halloween. Oh, I just love when I see a little fury, a little kid dressed up as a Fury. Yep, it was Christmas Gifts on Amazon, and I said, for the hell of it, I looked up Warriors. They're selling Warrior vests and orphaned T shirts on Amazon. We really have become part of pop culture big time. I mean, I remember when Shaq one of the the NBA title with the Lakers, and he's like, can you dig it? You know so so many times, and if I said, We're gonna rain on you Warriors one more time that I've been I've been giving film parts just to

5:38 say that lot again, which is you know, I don't let the truth mess up a good story. But I still said I was an improv line that I did back when we were waiting for the car to blow it up. But you know, like I said, I just turned seventy. You got to stop me because I'll just keep telling you stories. I started out as a child, you know. I was born in Brooklyn, raised in the Bronx, and that's why my blood type is be positive. That's right, that good way to look at it. I love it. But you were mentioning Walter Hill. You know, he did such a fantastic job with this movie and giving it that very stylish look. And I think if we didn't have yeah, just like a comic book, absolutely yeah, if we didn't have that, I don't think this movie would have been what it is to this day, to be honest with you. The ones that the lady that made the costumes, oh my gosh, she's gonna be so mad at me. I forgot her name right now, But I was the question was why did the Orphans has such a shitty T shirt? You know that's because they ran out of money. But I always, I always, I always tell people that, uh, you know, when I do these interviews that The Warriors is the rocky Horror of gang movies. You know, because I've been to places across the country where they show The Warriors and I'm a guest to something and people come dressed up as the different gangs. And one of the best places was that the I used to go. I don't go so much now, but the Corney Island Film Festival in Coney Island, they would

7:09 show The Warriors at midnight and oh my god, the people would come in and they take it very seriously, and they know every single line of the movie. And I remember one year one guy comes because they used to ask me if I was wearing a wig. They used to burn my ass. You know, one of the generators. We're up like three generations with The Warriors. Got the people who originally saw it, You got the who are now parents who bring their kids, and their kids starting to bring their grandkids. And you know, when they came out with the video game, that really gave us a whole nother, a whole other platform. Yes, do you realize, fellas, right now, somewhere on this planet, somebody's whipping my ass in that video game. Somewhere how many people can tell you that.

7:55 Uh so that's kind of an honor. But yeah, it's amazing. But we got got talk talk I talked too much. I know, we talked about the the style of this one, and for me, it's it's from the beginning, you know, it looks like another world when you got like the Wonder Wheel and you don't quite know where you are. Uh there there's so many places, you know, this could have been a completely different movie. But the the style of the shots, the you talked before about kind of wetting down the the sets and making those look you know, nice and crisp and beautiful and all those colors pop out. It's it's just something that draws in, you know, the lines, the costumes, the director of photography, the way they shot this thing. It's just it's just amazing.

8:43 You can actually feel the heat. I mean you could really feel there was some of the time. You know, one of the the questions, uh, it's a remake. You know, that's always been a question, do do do you want to see a remake? And I would say about eighty percent of the people of the fans they say absolutely not. And because it would be a totally different movie and I agree with them with that. But when I do meet and greets, I always ask people when was the first time you saw the Warriors, because that first time really left an impact on that person, and to be part of that is so special. I mean the stories I hear are just so you know, The Warriors is not just a movie to some people, it really is. It's you know, I've met guys who are Vets and they have their whole basement. I make their wives and they shake their heads and like, yeah, the whole basement is Warrior related. You know, everything is Warriors, you know. And but the other guys get a lot of love. Like I personally love the Furies. I mean, we have a group here in New York called Furies Revenge, and it's a bunch of guys that dressed up as the Furies.

9:52 Of course, they do all these charity events and I, you know, sometimes I accompany them because they're my good buddies we have. But I go a universal Warrior family here in New York City. I watch how people see them and the connection is made and how their eyes light up. I mean, it's good to be something like that, you know, but good I think, well, you know, What I love about the going back to the style is I love how they kind of did it in chapters where you get Lynn Thigpen as the DJ, the Lady, Sports News, off the Street, Boppers, the Baseball Furies dropped the ball made an error. Our friends are on second base and trying to make it all the way home, but the inside word is that the odds are against them. Stay tuned, Boppers, Stay tuned. I love what the yeah, yeah I have a school name. Yeah, very nice, but yeah, I mean I love how they set that up and just kept the story going. You know what I was telling Jeff too earlier was you know, I hadn't seen this movie in a very long time, and when I sit down and watch it, it's like, man, this movie really still holds up. It is just fantastic. And it's just by the time I got to the end again, because once it starts, it grabs you and it does not let go until the very end when it when you know it's gone into the credits and you don't get that much for movies, I'm gonna tell you, but this one again, it grabbed me from the beginning and didn't let go till the end.

11:18 Well, It's like lightning in a bottle. Right. That's why when you know, talking about remaking it and things like that, and you talk about, you know, what was happening at the time, I feel like remaking it would would take it out of that time period and it's it's a window. It would be much more violent. Let's tell you that, a lot more explosions and then that kind of stuff. I'm sure. Yeah, No, I know that they would do the best to you know, recapture it, but I don't know that you can or that you want to. This is something where I feel like, you know, you've got to bring it back for like you said, future generations, to share with kids, to share with you know, friends, and and keep going. I mean something you just gotta you know, celebrate as much as you can. And one thing about the Warrior cast is that we are very close cast. I mean, we do like each other, and we do hang out, we go to dinner and all that stuff. So I want to do a shameless plug for my man, the Purple Fury, Rob Ryder. He has a book out about filming The Warriors. Oh wow, Oh nice Rob, Rob, and he's available on Amazon. But Rob played two parts he was also one of the stunt men. He was one of the punks. Oh yeah, and he was, and he was the Purple Fury. So this is called Purple Fury Rumbling with the Warriors. So he tells it. He talks about, uh, when they were actually filming the Warriors and what they went

12:50 through and stuff like that. No, I haven't read it. I know. I feel bad. I haven't read it. It int innet My attentions, man has been he told me a minute, my attentions man. Ever since the internet. I used to read books all the time. Oh my god. But the incident now is like it's kind of ruined us. Oh yeah, I used to know about ten fifteen girls phone numbers by heart, you know, man, I barely remember mine. And now when I fill out things on the computer and you put what year you were born, you got to spin that shit the price, that's right, right. It takes a while to get to fifty three. So Apache, how did you become an orphan? Okay? That's always my fun story? Okay, So I went to Hampshire College and back and this is in Amherst, Massachusetts. I've never really seen a play, but I don't want to take you that far back, all right. So anyways, I had a professor from Maine and his name was Gladden Shock, and he's just a fantastic And the only writing course they had was called playwriting. So I took a playwriting course, and he liked my stuff and he would come down. He was a fisherman from Mainz. He would come down once a month and read whatever you wrote and give you a critic or tell you to mount it. So I had never really seen a play, so he said, patche you're really far behind.

14:22 He got me an apprenticeship in Napo Valley, California, doing summer stock. I thought I was going to Hollywood, so I spent all my money in New York getting high and partying and shipped buying my heels. It was the seventies and finally I get to go to California and it was just horrible. I had to take a bus. And that's when I got the famous tattoo. I have a tattoo I got was by Loud Tuttle. I had just been reading Rolling Stone at that time, in nineteenth it was it nineteen seventy. This was nineteen seventy. Yeah, in nineteen seventy three and I had the Rolling Stone and was about the guy named Loud Tuttle Tattoo Artists. He did old janneys jah blah blah, bah blah. Next thing I know, I found myself in front of Loud Tuttle Tattoo shop and I got a tattoo.

15:15 I wanted to get two power LP where he's holding the chicken leg with the bite the boats around it. That's what I wanted, but I couldn't afford it. So I used to travel with a Puerto Rican flag on my LEVI Jackiet because I'm Puerto Rican, and so that when I could afford, he put it on my arm. Then I found out from a fan year as many years later that that was the only flag shown in the movie, which I thought was good until some wise ass he said some keyboard warrior. No, no, there's there's a Union Jack somewhere in the audience. So I don't know. But anyways, that gave me a lot of attention from a lot of people too for that. But anyways, how did I get the park? So I had my own theater group and blah blah blah doing summer stock. I wind up in Napa Valley, uh, and they gave me a broom and I couldn't leave. I spent the money, so I learned how to sweep the stage. And it was the best summer it was in Napa Valley. I was living in a shock and the wineries and we would steal the proof props that night to build our sets. It was a real like hippie thing. It was just you know, peace, love and narcotics. It was wonderful summer. And so then I came back and I had my own theater group at the time, and I had to come back to New York because I graduated, and I wasn't getting anything nothing, So I got apart. I was in a in a play called Armageddon, which

16:45 just about Attica. I don't know if you guys know. Attica and Stay Troopers killed a whole bunch of prisoners at oh dustin helping. I played one of the inmates there. And it was for the Nation of Mslam's thing, which is a whole nother story. I have so many stories about that. But anyways, I wasn't getting anything and the lady treat Williams restless. Is what a great guy he was. I happened to be dating. His sister went to college with me, and may she rest in peace too, and he helped me out a lot. He was playing Danny Zuko on Broadway and that's the first time I met him. What a great man he was and his girl, my actress, got me an agent, as you were sending me from things. But I wasn't the I wasn't what they were looking for.

17:37 Never you know, I was a third generation Puerto Rican. My mother and father were born in Arlem in Spanish Arlumn. You know. I wasn't from the island that way, so I didn't have that accent that they wanted for these commercials, uh the way to were portraying you in the seventies, you know. So I wasn't getting anything. And then finally, you know, audition for the state called the Warriors. The agent sent me. So I go to Paramount Picture and it looked just like the gang scene in the movie, all these guys out there. Now I'm from the Boogie Down Bronx. Okay, so I know gangs. I knew the Black Space, the Savage Skulls. You know. I know real gangs, you know, because I grew up there as my hometown and so I didn't give a ship. I had a pair of shorts, a black T shirt with silver letters.

18:21 I've been rejected so many times, so I had my my resume, my black T shirt that said Bronx. I had my eight by tens and h in a bottle of rum. Yeah. So I go to the audition. I see all these fucking people walking around. I'm sorry, see all these guys walking around and stuff. And this white guy sits next to me and he's you know, he's talking. I take a sip, so you want to sip. He doesn't want to sip. You want to sip, You don't want to sip. We talk in a long time and then you know, he disappears, then a little later to finally get to me a patchie ramo. So I get up to go through my thing and that white guy was Walter Hill and he hired me on the spot. I didn't I didn't say a word. He was like a patchy. He's so real. I wish I had met you sooner. But I have this small part which you play it. And it was and I said, of course, as it was the pop polish he was at the time. And I took the part and Uh. It changed my life and so in so many ways. And that's how I got the orphant number two uh part. And and I'm a video game. I'm called JESSI, which I found out because I used to put all my money in the jukebox. I never played video games. I never really got past part until my daughter was boarded and then I would play

19:51 one of those games were there. But yeah, so that's how I got that part. And it was it was. It was a blessing that I didn't know at the time. But look, I'm still eating off it. I still get a residual. It's not a lot of money, but it's a residual. It has my old mother's address in the Bronx. I used to use that as an address, and it's just nice to be reminded. And then through the years, it's it's gained like I could tell, like what you know, I wasn't invited, wasn't invited to any premiers or anything like that. You know, you did your job and you got upset, okay, And that's the funny thing. Paul Greco, May he rest in peace. What a great guy he was. He did a lot of stuff.

20:36 Paul Grico and him and I hit it off immediately. So he was orphant number one and I was working for two. So Walter wouldn't let us see what We didn't have a chance to see who the warriors were. We had an idea of who they were with the script, and we knew that they were the stars and that we were you know, shit ordered, so we knew. So I couldn't wait to see them and me coming from the Bronx. I think he was from Brooklyn, I'm not sure. And the first time we saw them, we were cracking up because they did not look tough to us at all, you know, they did not look Michael back with the flowing the air and the costumes looked weird. So it was just it was just weird. But we worked and we hit it off. I mean we hit it off. And one thing I could say is like, it's really I didn't get I didn't really pay attention, you know. Once I did it and got paid, then I went on to other things, sure, like you know, working with New Addition and Bobby Brown and all these people. But I didn't think nothing of it. And then it started growing, The popularity started growing, and then when I had a daughter.

21:51 Then as she got older, she started realizing something about the Warriors. And then thanks to w. Van Volkenberg WV, she's the one and me to these meeting greets and I go, what are you talking about? She goes, people will pay you for your autograph they went, and I was like, really, I'm an orphan number two. Nobody gives us ship. Yeah, we do, and we do it found out. So I was totally unprepared. And people were bringing me posters and stuff to sign and and and handing me money, and I was like, whoa, what a country? Yeah, this is wonderful. I love it. But it was really showing me the love that people had for the film, just and they would tell me about the film. So I always said, when was the first time you saw the Warriors? Stories of For example, a guy would say to me, you know, my mother and father weren't together, but my father came and told my mother was taking me to see Leading the Tramp, but instead he took me to see the Warriors. And you know, the bonded of a sentence and when when when Swann through that lots of cocktail it to a patche and you showed that face he used to laugh so hard. I wish he was still here and met you because he you know, I would hear shit like that, you know, so it would be you know, it's just more than a movie to some people, and it's blessing to be part of that, you know. And I think about all the stuff I got rejected for it, and nobody knows what they are. They know the warriors. The other day, I have a page Facebook my daughter. That's another thing. My daughter is my manager. Before she got married, she

23:23 started getting involved in in She's done a few films too. So she goes, Dad, stop signing stuff. And I go, what do you mean. She goes, I know you mean. Well, but when people send you stuff and you sign it, they're selling it on eBay. And I didn't know what eBay was, so I said, okay, I we'll do it. So I would take her to these events with me, and my daughter happens to be very good looking, so it helped a lot. And she would say, Dad, you just be yourself, tell you stories and let me take care of the business. And she did, and she goes, oh, my father will take a picture with you with this. We'll do this. Well, I was just signing. Shit. I just really didn't think of it that way. And then she said that you're on a missing artist list, you know, because after the Warriors, I didn't do anything after that in terms of acting, and they had a SAG had a fun for missing artists, and so I didn't really believe it. And I and I said, okay, if you give me that money, then you can be my manager. And she got me the money. It was like six dollars. It was a big hug. Yeah. So and ever since then then she she gets to be parted. So through Facebook when she got married and was having my grandchildren, Hendrix is my grandson after Jimmy, and my granddaughter's name is Santana after Carlos. Okay, that's awesome, well done,

24:53 well done. She she negotiates all these little little things for me because I don't know this world. It's the world has changed. So she guides me through this. Yeah you guys me through this, but yeah and oh yeah, So through Facebook, she says, there's this thing called Facebook. So I was like, how do you make friends? She goes that people are always looking for you, but I don't know who's who. So she said, just put your name out there. I put my name out there, and boom, I started getting parts and people I went to elementary school. It was just it became a wonderful thing. And I'm in a movie now with mel Brooks on Amazon Prime and shameless self promotion Amazon. On Amazon Prime. It's called The Automat with mel Brooks and Ruth Bader Ginsberg and General Colin Powell and Rob Reiner. And it's also on Amazon. And I got it through Facebook most of the because I wrote a story about this place called the Automat and got beat out the governor of Pennsylvania. So you got to see that New York is and Philadelphia's used to eat from the nineteen hundreds until nineteen ninety four when they all closed down. But it's a good story, so you should check it out. It's a told New York Philadelphia story.

26:15 But I think we took it on tour. It did very well. It was also a TCM TCM So yeah, any other questions for your warrior scenes? How long were you on set to film those? You know, somebody else asked me that, and I don't remember. I've gone in my mind. I think I think we did it in like three nights or four nights. I think we did it because we shoot in two different places. None of them in the Bronx. It's supposed to be the Bronx. None of the Bronx was in Long Island City and one was in Brooklyn. When we make the turn, went Brooklyn. When they throw the mouts off cocktail at me, So rude. Michael Beck, so rude, I go back.

27:03 Is one of the nicest human beings on the planet. He's a sweetheart of a man. I mean, my daughter adores h him. We've been on tour, you know, we've done different events together, and he is so funny. I have a bunch of orphans. I have a crew, Robert Santana and David Goody, who gave me an orphans page. They do my banners. They do all these things, and my banners they make. They do such a good job. It's bigger than the Warriors. So Torsi and David Harris, my bros. And Michael Beck. They make fun of me and they go. You know, nobody gave a ship about the Warriors until the Patchy joined us, right, the Warriors. But they's just great sports.

27:52 We love hanging out. Uh d D The Vegan. You gotta have her on your show. She's she's very, very great in Wanda, one of the other Lizzies. So we're the B Squad. We build ourselves as the B Squad, and it's all based on the promoters. You know. The promoters of course want the warriors, you know, but I haven't met all the warriors, like I never met rest in Peace, Ren Brandt, and I never met a cowboy as you only meet the people that you were on set with, you know, So people surprised when they when they talk about that. To me, it's like, I'll always be I think I was twenty four. I'll always be twenty four. And I look at myself and the thing I get the most is, wow, you look taller on screen. You look yeah, but the way he filmed it is. And the music, Yeah, the music is phenomenon. But go ahead, I'm running out of the stories. W Yeah. No, speaking of the music, I mean we can just roll right into that. I mean, I believe that was composer was a Barry d Orson. I believe is who composed you know. I believe it was like the first music score sympathized for rock and roll. I believe The Warriors was and it works. Yeah, and it works so well in that movie, you know, except for the final closing song, of course. But yeah, I thought the music matched this movie perfectly. The only film where you could bring a knife to a gunfight.

29:23 Yeah, that's right and come out on top exactly. No, Yeah, I mean, you know it's that you can see with the the way the scenes are shot and the music, it reminds me of Escape from New York, right. You can see the influence and a lot of movies that follow this, and that's one of the things, like, you know, you show us that great art you're getting from fans. You see the people that are that are coming in they want to meet the B Squad. I mean obviously the Warriors are the big names on all the autographs. Yeah. I did to the theater, which is a big event here the East Coast in Jersey. I get to do it every once in a while, you know, and one guy came in with forty five vests you know, to sign wow people just even other you know. I have a friend of mine, I call him the Mayor of Rock and Roll, and he was in OZ and he you know, the TV series OZ he goes man, I would give that up in a minute to work with Walter Hill, to be the Warriors. It's like such a badge of courage to have been just part of it, just part of it. And the Warriors really suffered, you know when you get to talk to them and how they went through. I mean, Debbie broke her arm during the thing. At one point you see her with the Levi jacket. It's just the cast in her arm, you know, right, And they really suffered. I've heard some of this.

30:52 Oh, we did a thing the thirty fifth anniversary in Coney Island. We had over five thousand people show up that day. It was amazing. It was a hot summer day and people came for the thirty fifth anniversary. I lost my voice because people always want me to say we're gonna rain on you. It never has too much for we ain't gotten on. Yeah, that's right. And now I'm currently doing a a slasher film and this is I got it through a Facebook. I don't even audition anybody. I says, Hollywood is not calling me, Okay, this is my term is calling me. But HollyHood is calling me to work with all these young great filmmakers in New York City that just go, well, you be in my film?

31:42 I say, sure, why not? I'm mean retired now and I love helping and being part of that whole scene, and I get a lot of love and respect and from doing these different slasher film I'm doing with the Latina Queen of Gore, Cindy's Sinabria. Uh, uh sent me a trailer yesterday while I was I'm a big UFC fan and I was in the UFC and the and the Packers last night, and uh, she sent me a trailer and she's the Latina Queen of Gore. I play uh now, I play old retired guys. And then uh, another filmmaker ts uh, we did Orchard Beach. Orchard Beach is like the Riviera, the Bronx Riviera. It was kind of a rip off of Jaws Do Going to Water. It was a zombie film and uh oh, the Vamp Vamp Biker's Trilogy is on toov.

32:42 The Vamp Biker's Trilogy is uh. I got to work with real New York City bikers from Brooklyn and uh it was bikers versus vampires, and I played, of course the guy that's about to retire Detectivey has to find out why these vampires are killing these bikers and it turned into a trilogy. His three films. He won Best Film Coney Island Film Festival and it's it's on TB now. It's called The Van Bikers, so you get and there's some interesting people in that film. In one of the trilogies, there's a screaming Rachel out of Chicago who owns track records, and uh, the guy Michael Alec, the party Monster. Remember he was part of that crew. He killed his drug dealer right after he came out of jail. They got him in the film. I didn't do any scenes with that guy. He recently over, so I don't think he's around there. You get a chance.

33:37 It's on tubious for free check absolutely. Speaking of some of your current works, I watched your one of your films recently, High and Tight. Yeah, talk about that too. I didn't mention it. Where did you see it? Powerful? I saw it on Vimeo. Did you see it? I thought it over the weekend on Saturday. Really yeah, yeah, I loved I love it. That was such a powerful performance. I gotta tell you the I don't want to spoil too much to watch. But yeah, you know there's there's there's family aspect to that, and there's a lot of there's a lot of pain in that performance. And man, it just it gives me goosebumps. Thank you so much. You know, I was gonna mention it, but I know it was on It was on Amazon for about three or four years, and then I went to show somebody one day.

34:28 It wasn't that I was all hurt, so I thought it was gone. And thank you man, Oh you made my handstand. That was a hard uh hard piece to do, you know. Uh. The director in fact, he just called me that the other day. But I had to really put myself someplace where when to be you know, it was it was a hard thing. At the end, I'm supposed to cry. I just couldn't cry. And something came out something like in me. He came out that that when I had the blade on his throat, you know it really I felt it. And he was he was from the Yiddish theater and I can't think of his name right now, but he was from the Yiddish theater and he had I think it was a series of strokes before I had met him, so he was you know, he was self medicating in the movie, but you know, he was really struggling and he was really really The funny part about that movie was they used the stunt guy to cut the hair because I didn't want to really touch is it really? Is it really a patch cut in the hair? I didn't want to I didn't want to touch that air it was it was, It was really nasty. So I did have a stunt guy. Thank you so much for saying that. Oh you made my day, because I was very proud of that piece. And if you

36:00 talk to is it is it Louis Severa? Is that the director who did that? Yeah, if you talk to him, tell him kudos to the directing style. I do little pieces here and there of my own directing. And when I was watching some of his shots, like those static shots, which were very atmospheric, I'm like, man, that's kind of shot I would have gone after. I love his work. Just seeing that, I'm like, I'm a fan already. Yeah, we were. We were. We worked in a real barbershop in Jersey, real old fashioned barbershop, and the guy had a lot of old Yankee paraphernalia in the barbershop. And uh, you really felt the whole barbier thing. And uh, you man, you made my day. Bro, No, I gotta ask you. I love that piece. I'm very proud of that piece. I can find it.

36:51 I gotta see if I can find it now. Yeah, I feel like when I was watching that, I'll tell Louisa, there's a shot where I can see a little black and white photo tacked up next to the mirror and it looks like a shot of you from the Warriors from that time period. Is that right? Was a shot? I know my grandson is in the picture. My grandson's one of the just But now I got to look at it again. It could have been. It could have been because he wanted some personal photos. But yeah, you'll probably be right. Oh my god, Yeah, I remember that thing coming out of me at the end, at the very end. Was only one shot and he was like whoa.

37:39 And then everybody looked at me right after that shot and he said cut. They were like, well, I just feel that something happened at that moment, you know, And yeah, my hands are still standing. David Burns, I'm gonna call Louis. I'll give him the number I got and he can contact you guys, because he's doing other things. Please we'd love to talk to him. Absolutely. Yeah. Now as a father, I could feel that thank you so much. That that's that emotional build up that you have. You can feel that as a dad. And the you know you talk about like, you know, not crying kind of you know, keeping it in. That's that's when it comes the strongest though, you know, that's what he was looking boils up that just he killed. I had to forgive. I had to forgive. Yeah, you can see it in your performance. You did a wonderful dog there. Yeah. And I get Louis to call you and uh, if you want, I'll ask DD to call you, want to call you, if you want any of the guys to call you. Yeah, because you know, I always look out for my bet squad members. That's right, the best squads where it's at, That's right. You can you can see on Vimeo, like you know, there's that that cover shot, that beautiful art they got with the silhouettes, and there's all this acclaim around it. People got to see this, people, Yes, they do, especially the fans of the Warriors, because you know they the fans of the Warriors aren't necessarily people that just kind of see

39:09 it and they say, oh, that's a great movie and they kind of move on like it hits something for them. Right. It's it's that emotional connection that all the stylistic pieces of it that artistically inspire people. You can see what people have been sending you, right. This one I got for my birthday a couple of years ago. This one is a JB. L speaker. Wow, they use they use my head as the Ferris wheel. Awesome, you see that. I love it. Yeah, And the look orphans fantastic, So you know, I mean people do this. It's not and that's because they're showing up the hats yep. I mean you're even wearing a hoodie with orphans. So I mean, I like, they just made this. This is what they just made for me. They have the one my tattoo because the the Puerto Rican flag tattoo was done with Machine Francisco, but the other one was made by a naked woman named Lois with a needle and thread and uh Indian name. This one is one of my favorites by a guy named Clash. He's the blink King in New York City. And yeah, and then I'm part of the Delta Bravo. You ever heard of Delta Bravo. It's by Okay, Danny O'Connor, you know the group House of Pain. Yeah, yeah, Danny o'conne is a friend of mine and

40:43 uh six six and he bought the outside his house and uh in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where they filled the house, and he flew me into Tulsa. They showed the movie The Warriors and flew me in to help make money for the outside of this house. And now it's a museum. So it's part of the Delta Bravo things. So I helped raise money for The Outsiders. And uh, that's another good guy you can have on because that that movie is about forty five years old, right, the Outsiders. That's good. Yeah, yeah, stay gold. Pony Boy, pony Boy Boy, yep, oh yeah. A lot of good starts in that movie. You a lot of good movies in the seventies. Seventies had some really really that was that was a really I remember that those times. It was. It was different. I felt it moral there. But now at my old age, but I'm still I'm still pretty spry and getting to work with these young filmmakers.

41:44 Has been so much fun. But you made my fucking day when you remember that movie because I worked so hard on that movie. That was I'm glad and it's some vi Vimeo you said, yep, yep, yep, that's one of the places people catch it. Yeah, we'll share a link. Yeah, we'll put it with this with this podcast. Who her buddy has it? Oh yeah, absolutely, all right. You want some dirt, Let's get some dirt. You want some dirt. We love some dirt. But no, actually we I'm waiting. I was talking to DV other day. One of the Lizzies, she's the vegetarian. We have so much fun together because her and I a lot different, you know, and she is so sweet. The Lizzie's sweet. But you gotta watch them. They're packed. Wanda. I do a lot of traveling with Wanda when we do shows. Wanda, she's the one that that she became a mean you know, you can tell your girls Puerto Rican, you know, because she gots the knife to coach cheese his throat. Yep, I caught a picture.

42:52 We got some awards at the on forty second Street, the cast. We got an award for something about fighting or movies or something, and I caught a moment with her and David Harris hugging each other, and I'll send it to you guys. I'll look for him and send it. But in reality, we we you know, we're most of us are grandparents. Now what do we call it? Thomas Waits he has a band that that travels in the city, really good band. So we support each other and it's just fun. It's fun. I know that I was a new kid, like I was one of the first ones that come from the B squad. And the guys are great. Oh Dorsey, Dorsey Cleon. He you know, he's been in a lot of things. You know, you can see him in a lot of these drug you see him, it's like, oh ship, there's Dorsey. But Dorsey Uh. I think he's retired now. But he worked for Transit in New York and where we shot the scene one of the Orphans scenes, the subway on the L passes it and a bunch of fans wrote Apache lives or something there. So he's Creek called me one day he goes, Pagie, you're still a bad motherfucker because they're writing your names on rooftops. So I'm like, oh, yeah, but my real name is greg greg Ramos, greg ree rolling Ramos, and uh I got the

44:25 name. I'm surprised you haven't asked me. And I got the name of Pagie. But I was the first. I was shorty, pee wee, little man. All those nicknames and none of them o Chino was another one they gave me when I was growing up. None of them stuck, except for my mother used to call me a patchie in the house between us, so I don't know who she knew that was a page, but she would call me a padgie and what time she said it in front of my friends in a very bad way, and my response was very negative, and that was it. Yeah, they do that. They hit a nerve. Yep.

45:05 I couldn't get rid of it, so you know, I kept it. And then I had a tattooed on my arm by naked Lois. And then when I started auditioning for things that I kept it because I would get another look. Besides Greg Ramos. If you google Gregory Ramos, you get somebody that's I think he's a serial killer or he killed his parents and oh that's another funny story. It's apache Ramos is right on Google. On Google, you know if you look it up. Apache Ramos right so, used to get top building. Was a pro wrestler, the Apache Bull Ramos and he was Jesse the body Venturist tag team partner and they were Southwest Champions or something like that. Big man, real native American Apache right So, I think it was two thousand and eight when he passed away. He transitioned, and so my daughter got bombarded with couldn't go Patras and blah blah blah.

46:05 But yeah, there was there's two Pasi rais Cincinnati. You're in Cincinnati, you said, right, you don't you have your own Coney Island that's closing over there. We do. Yeah, I just posted that a couple of weeks ago on my You guys got to get on my page Orphanation. It was started by a fan and it has turned into just an incredible thing. Right now. I got some crazies in there. They're just posting old kinds of ship. But it's a fun page. Anyways. Uh so, I saw on Coney Island was closing, and it's like an institution over in Cincinnati. It's been a big part of your culture of your city. You know, and it said Cincinnati was closing, and they had like two palm trees, and you know, I said Coney Island. So I posted on the Orphans page, Oh my god, to give you proof that people do not read. People are just going insane on my page, Coney Islands closing.

47:07 So I was like, yeah, no, that's Coney Island, Cincinnati. Yeah. Yeah. So then they got really upset the nerve, you know, you know, you know, you know how we are in the Empire state right right, you know, Apache, we we have a segment on here that we always talk about the impact that a film has on the film industry, the fans. Literally everything you have just shown us that fans have done for you, that fans have given you, that fans have done out of their own pockets. That shows you right there, the impact that you have had on the fans and the industry. And you should be proud of that. Man, so proud of it. Yeah, I'm so so proud of it. I mean, like I told you, it's funny that that's the part I got the and I gave a shit about so much that I just really didn't care anymore. My feelings were hurt. I sucked, They said, I sucked over and over again. There's nothing worse than going to auditions, you know, when you first start out. And now my grandson he has the fro, so I always says he wants to grow the frow like Grandpa. So he goes. But now he's gotten big enough to wear my old sweatshirts. So he's been through a few autograph sessions with me, so he knows what's happening. But he wore a couple of my sweatshirts to

48:37 school and two of his teachers approached him and it's like, what do you know about the Warriors? Like I show you, what do you know? So he wore them to school and what do you know about the warriors? And he goes, my Grandpa's in it. That's how I know. I got two letters from his teachers to ask for autographs. Really a little funny, but how how cool is it that somebody wants to autograph? I mean, and no brag this fact. I have the best best tag because I've been doing mine for a long time. And it's an arrow that I do. You've probably seen it someplace, but it's a lot of fun. It's it's really a lot of fun. But the Automat. I want you to see the Automat now. I went on at this is just a documentary on New York City and how we used to eat and how. In fact, the woman that did it, Lisa Herwitz, she is not a New Yorker.

49:37 She's just a Jewish girl from the West Coast that was fascinated by the automats. And it took her six seven years to make the movie. And when mel Brooks heard about it, he actually wrote a song for He said, what do you know about the Automat? He said, you're like eleven years old, what do you know about the Automat? And mel Brooks can tell the story and just make you laugh. It was like he says, the coconut cream pie was made by God. Yeah, but yeah, I'm very proud of that piece too, especially when she told me I beat out the governor of Pennsylvania. That's even better. Yeah. But everything about the warriors, the dress, the style, the I can be anywhere, like in a bar or something like that, and you know, the warrior thing comes up, I'll get free drinking. It's it's such an honor to be part of it, as opposed to the number one movie in nineteen seventy nine was Kramer Versus Cramer. Also, The Wanderers came out, you know, The Wanderers. Yeah, yeah, I was hanging out. I was hanging out with Tony the other day. That the other day, like six months ago, we did a thing together, the guy that plays Meat and Porky's too. Yeah, he's a great guy. We got a lot of these shows. We meet a lot of people, you know, a lot of cons and things like that. And I got to tell you, you know, from one of the fans from the other side of the table, you know, getting that signature, that's that's proof of the experience. That's what

51:09 you get to take home, right, But what you really go for there is the depth and the history and the stories behind this. I mean there's you know, there's a ton of people you can talk to, there's a ton of books you can read, but there are things that you're just not going to get unless you meet the people that were really there, yeh, telling you about it, telling you about how it really was. So no, we appreciate you doing that. Yeah, absolutely, Oh man, I've gotten to meet so many great people because of this. You get the better for the doubt when you're the warriors. I just want to do I'm looking for So here we go. Now. Remember remember we were talking about Louis Savera. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna tape you right now. Send it to Louis because he would love to hear this. Louis, I'm doing this podcast, and let me see who was it? David Burns. Ye, so high and tight, and what did you think of it? David absolutely loved it. And coming from a director of myself, I don't do nothing like you, but your shots, your static shots, your atmospheric shots.

52:12 Loved all of it. You've got a great potential, great career coming up for sure. Yes, yeh that so. I was so shocked when he's so high and tired. I didn't know what I'm Vivie. Oh yea, all right, I'll send that to Lewis and he can get in touch with you guys, because I know he does a lot of stuff. He's doing commercial stuff now. But U yeah, he he he geeked out. When he asked me to do the part, he went through my daughter and he sent her the script and he goes, this part would be your father would just be to this part and blah blah blah, and my daughter said, Dad, you can do it. I said, I'll do it. Yeah.

52:53 Yeah, we saw it, absolutely we did and loved it. Yeah, and for our for our fare list, go watch that film because you will enjoy it mentally. Yeah. Oh my god, it's a video. So let me see what else about The Warriors. Oh? I was a social okay, besides being an artist. I used to road manage the Fat Boys, and I road manage the Fat Boys. I don't know if you remember the Fat Boys. Yeah, oh, oh you can eat. I took the Fat Boys fifty cities in twenty five days, you know. And uh, uh what was my point? There was a point. But I used to work with the Fat Boys. I worked. Oh all right, So I was in the record business after I did The Warriors. A friend of mine, author banker, very famous producer now, was one of my roommates in college. And uh, he said, a patch, you wanted to be in the record business. Sure. I was working in Bloomingdale's and loading docks at the time. Union job, really nice job, but it wasn't acting. It was what I wanted to do, so I said sure.

54:05 So next thing, I know, I'm picking and packing records in a warehouse in Long Island City, which is definitely what I didn't want to do, you know, especially what I had just started seeing in Long Island City, uh not previously that so but from there I learned about forty fives and I learned about the record labels, and then I started getting invited to these record parties and then author and then I became a national salesman. But I would sell records, all the hit records to all the retail stores, in record retail stores back in the day we had them. So then he eventually started a record label called street Wise Records and got a demo tape from a producer in Boston from these kids in the projects, and we put the record out. It was called Candy Girl, and it was a new addition.

54:52 Oh wow, it blew up. Bro it blew up. So I was like, uh, I didn't have to pay for anything backstage all the time. I did a and R work for the label, and I had all these demo tapes from all these kids from all over the country. I just my daughter calls me Forrest Gump, the Puerto Rican Forest Gump, because I've been places that a New Edition blew up and I was a New Addition. I signed artists like Colonel Abrams. I worked with Ready for the World, I worked with Earth the Kit. I worked with all these different groups and bands and and we were the top record independent. This is when independent record labels ruled, and uh I came to work one day and the record label was closed. We went from the hottest record label to his clothes and I'm like, oh my god. So when they say number one with a bullet, they're not playing. The record business is really dirty action. I'm not going to tell you all the dirt behind that, but anyways, the management team of New Edition hired me. They liked the work, so I got to be with New Addition still from the beginning with Canny Girl and then Bobby broke off. Then we had a group from Flint, Michigan called Ready for the World and they had a number one hit with O'shiela Yep Yep. And then I had Colonel Abrams. Music is the Answer. So I was going to a lot of black record label stuff. I have plenty awards, I have this is like one of my favorite oh my gold records, and some

56:25 warehouse somewhere but this was Kelly Isley Award for my I got it from Jack the rapper who no longer exists. But I got this in nineteen eighty six, August sixteenth as the Kelly Eisley Award from my outstanding total involvement in Black radio and Black music at the Family Affair at Land in Georgia. Kelly Eisley is born on Christmas Day and I'm born on Christmas Eve. Coincidence, I think not. But so I got this fabulous state were I was so fabulous. I didn't have to pay for anything. There was a lot of cocaine involved. There was just a lot of madness record business. And then this woman auditioned for me. I turned her down and the next thing I know, I'm gonna be a father. That changed everything. And the last my last days in the record business was the Fat Boys fifty cities in twenty five days. Everywhere we went we had to have food with the Fat Boys.

57:23 It was like being with the Black Three Stooges. Just had just a wonderful time with them. But I was totally exhausted. Got off to it, had this new baby girl, had enough money to live for a while. My wife at the time was was with Sister Sledge and she used to represent Grandmaster Flash. You heard of him, yeah, oh yeah yeah, And she worked for sugar Hill and the Sugarhill Gang she represented, So we hit with like a totally music family at that time. But then I had to get a real job, because you're only as good as your last hit, right in the record business. So I said, fow, you know what, I have a degree. I forgot about it. So I grew up on public assistance. I grew up on welfare. So I started working for the city in New York with my playwriting degree, and they just wanted a degree, and they waived the residency law. I was living in Jersey, but I could work in the city and because of my lifestyle. And there was a thing called grids that was killing people, and there was a thing and they called it AIDS. And when I started working for welfare, there was a unit called Division of AIDS Services. And in nineteen ninety eighty nine, New York was in bad shape with the AIDS was a killer. So I volunteered to work for that unit, and from nineteen ninety to two thousand I was with the Division of aid Services and they used to call me mister Ramos, King of Queens before that show came out. Because I had a

58:55 lot of coworkers who were uncomfortable. They came from countries that were uncomfortable with some of the clients, so they would trade me to clients and I would wind up with a lot of trans and and people who lived different lifestyles. And at that time, my daughter was singing at the Metropolitan Opera, so I used to go up Eighth Avenue to take her to the opera for rehearsals, and she was part of the children's course, and a lot of my clients were hooking, so they would come up to my daughter and say, you know, mister raymow's my cases clothes or something like that. And my daughter would look at me and she goes, dad, is that a boy or girl? And I said that whatever they want to be. So as my daughter got older, she learned they would look out for my daughter, and she got a nice education and learn how to walk in hills with one of my old time favorites, flawless Sabrina, May she rest in peace.

59:49 That was the only sad part was that all my clients passed away because they had full blown AIDS at the time, and it's you know, I'm very proud of my stuff in the in the theater and thing and all that, but those are my hardest moments because I watched people disintegrate for it's yeah, it was it was too much. But you know what I learned about love, pure love. I learned about courage, pure courage. You know. I went from writing in the limousines, being selfish, doing cocaine, having a good time, to being stuck in a projects elevator full of piss trying to help somebody with age. You know. So it really was a big, big transition for me. But you had to do it. I had to get a real job and with benefits, with a dental plan, yeah, for the age unit. And that's where I really I feel most proud of. And then when my daughter grew up, I started that, I started acting again. And here I am talking to you guys, who's so high inside I'm never gonna get over there. You guys are my friends of life. Now good and thank you. Thank you for what you did for the for the HIV community, for people that live with that. There's a lot of struggle, especially in those times you know and it would be an advocate. God bless you for it. Yes, it was horrible because I always felt so guilty because I thought I should have had it, And that's why I volunteered there and say you're crazy, and I you know, at that time, my office was on the seventh floor on thirtieth and eighth Avenue,

1:01:22 right across the street from Madison Square going and when I touched the seventh floor co workers in the building which shun away from me. People were so afraid. Back then, it was unbelievable how people were afraid, you know. And I wasn't afraid of it. There's a great scene in in Papillion with Steve McQueen. I don't know if he did, and he needs the help of the lepers to get off the island and one of the lepers passes him a cigar and at that time they didn't know how it was transmitted, and he took the cigar and he smoked it because he needed that thing. That's the way I felt. And I saw so many good people, rich people, poor people. It didn't matter that virus was was wicked. In fact, I was so I couldn't I couldn't watch any films on aids anymore because it burnt me out, it crushed my shirt. It hurt me really bad. But I was proud of that. Those are most This was tough.

1:02:22 It was so now I think I'm getting God's rewards because I'm getting you know, the day I made, The day I exit stage stage left, I got a whole bunch of queens waiting for me and got me backstage, that's for sure. Yeah, there you go. No, I mean, you know, get you know, one of the hardest things I've ever did was having the I used to call it the pest list, but the guest list for a new edition at Madison Square Guard. Oh my god. I have so many stories. But it's been an interesting life. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, getting into like time capsules and things like that. You know, we said before remaking this, sure it would be possible, somebody could try to do it, but you're losing a bit of history there, right, And I mean there's aspects of this that I was finding out about with the with the real gangs. Oh yeah, how that was causing chaos on the set. You know, you talk about that that original poster was powerful enough that people got scared of the poster if I remember, right, you know, talking about they outnumber the police five to one, and people like, whoa hold on, you're putting that on a poster.

1:03:30 Yeah, there's there's history behind that that that you lose I think with a remake versus just kind of honoring the original and continuing to bring it back and show it. But yeah, hearing about the involvement with the real gangs, that would have been rough. And you know, we were lucky enough to be part of hip hop history too because ren brand tagging stuff. Really, because that's what hip hop is, you know, not just the shows that they show it. If I hear one more time, I go out of my mind a fifth. Yeah, that anniversary of yeah, you showing the same people. Hip hop is about break dancing, graffiti and rapping and the MC and that's what hip hop is. But we caught that, you know, that's that's part of the Warriors. You know, I've been invited to the Hip Hop Museum in the Bronx and stuff like that. The Warriors really we came out at a really interesting time and the fact that they banned us really helped us a lot. But I have fans from Australia, big famous U k U K loves the warriors I have I have. I call them the UK orphans, you know. And because when I go walk sometimes because sometimes I go to the meet and greets and then we'll have a thing where the audience comes and asks questions. Is that people have all felt like an orphan at one time or the other. You know, we've all felt like not invited, we didn't fit in. And that's always been my stick.

1:05:01 And that's the way I look at the orphans, you know, and the fact that people will make this, you know, we'll make this stuff, you know, and then they put warriors in the back. The guys who did the film, uh, they really worked hard under really bad circumstances. They didn't really have a great budget. I know. One thing they'll always tell you is that they were freezing. They were always freezing because it was cold when they were filming and they had the vest and stuff and it was all night shoots too, right again, so they really I know, they tell a story about how the gangs call real gangs were like they you know, someone they wanted to put the warriors like tag the warriors on a on a billboard or something there in Cody Island, but they would have to have erased the real gangs up and they were like and the guys that were from New York and the warriors like, no, you don't want to do that, We're not real gang members and stuff like that. But yeah, it's fun, you know, I just well, no, I better not tell this story. Good. Well, you know, I was looking into this, you know, talking about the real gangs and all this other kind of stuff. And I saw an interview with Walter Hill but where he talked about kind of his perspective on making this, and he says, I think the most unusual thing about this film was the fact that it didn't present the gang and gang structure is a social problem, that presented it simply as a fact the way things are, not necessarily a negative presented from their point of

1:06:34 view. It's a movie that accepted their values and essentially understood what a street gang was, a defensive organization, rather defensive one that didn't preach about middle class value. It just made the movie unique. And that's one of the things I love about this and that's why I think it's it's self contained, right, because yes, you could replicate it, but you're you're taking something away if you try to, I think. And it's just it's beautiful that he had that perspective going into the entire production. I think. So I wish I never got to see him again. And there was a time that but it was a scam. There's so many scams running around. But the thirty fifth anniversary, the promoter was he did a fantastic job in terms of getting people together, but a terrible job of getting people paid. And uh, it was it was crazy because some of the real gangs were very upset at this promoter. And I remember one of the guys I traveled with is a retired NYPD and he sets things up for me. He looks out for me, is that my health is not great. And so the real gangs were after this guy because they were looking for his money. And he wound up getting the Academy Award faking a heart attack so that the Ambulans could come and take him away. Save Wow, that's yeah. But uh yeah, last year I got to go to San Francisco, Oakland, and this is all works from being part of the Warriors, you know, and like you say, if some of the B Squad shows up. We do very well.

1:08:09 Last till I did two years ago with it was only d D and I and it was the cast from Back to the Future and uh, Blazing Saddles was there too, and I'm in the middle of them, and so it's like right there. But they came to the Warriors, you know, just me and d D. We just you know, we had both had small parts. But people want to peace, they want to hear about the story, they want to hear about the filming, you know. And as you can tell, I have to give the gap and I just go and DD is not bad looking. So people come over and so it's fun because we go like, we're not going to make any money. The Warriors are not here because we thought you had to have the Warriors rather to make money.

1:08:50 Now, I hi, frans die hard, especially now that some of us, you know, passing away. Now you know we're had you know, uh, we lost some good members and it's so we said, but I want to make it to the fiftieth. So apache for our listeners, what what's the name of your face group page that they can find, It's called Orphanation. Orphanation. We started off I was about ten of US and now we're close to three thousand strong. And uh we have a lot of representation from the UK and uh I have to get a passport because I keep getting invited. But I had a good luck now in New York with all the stuff that's happening here. But uh, the UK and Ireland we have Uh, they love the Warriors. I mean the Warriors are loved all over.

1:09:40 I mean New Zealand. I have fans from New Zealand again, which is always a funny thing the time difference, like good night, good morning, good night morning. But uh, people just want to be part of it, be part of it. Yeah, absolutely, may movies I like. I'm a TCM guy. I'm on TCM. I leave sometimes I leave the TV on TCM. I love that. I love movies that have dialogue and not a whole lot of special effects. You know, I like to hear the dialogue. Sure, I remember my daughter, if it was in black and white, she wouldn't watch it. You know That's what I love about my Benny Davis is my favorite. Okay, I just anything with her in it, the way she talks, the way she spoke cigarettes. You know, I wouldn't be in this wheelchair, if it wasn't so mean to me, Blanche. Then she takes but a in the wheelchair, Yeah, in the wheelchair. But when I saw the automatic on TCM, that made me feel so special. Lisa Hurwitz, she's a really incredible director, did so much research and she said, what was the hardest part in the movie, she said, was easiting people. You know they can't be in it.

1:10:56 But yeah, the forty fifth anniversary, I'm sure the stuff to happen. You guys helped start me off. Yeah. Uh, and you can tell I'm a little shy. Oh yeah, totally, we can tell. We love it. Sure it all right, we'll good apache anything. Anything you're working on right now? Any projects coming up this year? That merciless Christmas? Okay, it's one of those James Brown would say, big payback movie. And the guy comes out of prison and he's Christmas time and he's in the projects in Harlem, and uh, his daughter is I think she's ten years old and his wife they're gonna go get Chris decorations for the tree.

1:11:48 They go outside, they wind up with a bunch of bad guys, and the bad guys wind up shooting them and killing the daughter. Killing the wife and wounding the fall the and uh, I come try solve the crime, and then they put him away for a year and they finally let him out and he's fucking mental and he comes back and he wants the big payback revenge. So he winds up killing everybody that was involved and using their body parts as Christmas ornaments so that Christmas and I just I just want to retire. I'm ready to retire to Big with Big Butt what was her name, big Butt Betty, I think was the name of the character. Uh, And to go to Jamaica with Big Big but Judy that was the name of Big but Judy And uh but no they you know, I try to get out and they pulled me back in. So I have to solve this crime.

1:12:45 Man, I'm shooting again in March. Sent me a trailer yesterday and I think they're going to show a trailer on Facebook. And now that you guys are my best friends, I'll make sure I send it to you, please, And yeah, I'll pass your name and any stuff you send me, like a logo. Some of this I passed to some of the warriors and stuff. See if you get them on like David Harris is such a great guy. I mean, David Harris has done so many things in Dorsey. Dorsey's done so much and and and Vermin Terry Mikos another sweetheart. I think we're I think we're exactly the same age. I think I'm a day older than him. I'm born the day before Christmas. I think he's born to day after Christmas. We had this talk over a couple of glasses of wine. I don't remember, but yeah, DV is always available to do something. And of course I told you about Purple Fury's book on the Warriors, and he's he was also one of the stuntman. He was also uh the stuntman on because he played for Princeton. He's like six y six.

1:13:48 He's very where they put us together in San Francisco like this, like this, and uh, but he was also the stuntman for white Men can't jump. He's got you know, I played for Princeton. He's got basketball skills. Yeah, and he's just the sweetheart of a guy. He really is. I can't say nothing bad about any of anybody I've met who's connected with the Warriors. I think we're just all very happy to be part of it and Fox will have interesting stories to tell you. Uh, he's done a lot of things. And he's a teacher too. I think he teaches. Yeah, but he's got a good band and uh yeah, yeah it'll never I'm still eating off it. I'm getting to talk to guys like you from Cincinnati, aar Cincinnati, who has I think of Cincinnati thinking a big redbishee.

1:14:45 But yeah, Cody Island close with a real Cody Island. Please stand up, please very much Cincinnati and uh David Burns, Jeff Johnson, Scott Hoffman, you are now and forever more honorary orphans. Yes we read on the Warriors baby, Yes, that's right, I love it, love it, thank you, thank you, thank you, thanks an honor and a blessed thank you. But again, check out the orphan page defination and uh, thank you. That's right so much for that. And I want to thank our listeners. Which gang would you like to would relate to? Hopefully to the orphans like us. If you want to leave a comment, discuss what's next, or even half suggestions, you can find us at www dot buy podcast dot dot com, a film by podcast at gmail dot com, and a film by podcast on Facebook and Twitter until our film reels start rolling again. Go out, watch something new, watch something different, and who knows what you will discover next. Thanks everyone, and thank you A patchy