J.J. Abrams - Super 8

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So here's the thing. There are
alien movies where they are hostile, and

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there are alien movies where they're they're
friendly and we're trying to save them or

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trying to get them back home.
Which which alien movie do you prefer?

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Um for entertainment purposes, um,
hostile for reality purposes? Please? Friendly?

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Yeah? Yeah, if that's to
really happen, I hope they're friendly.

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And if for entertainment purposes, hostile
is always more or fun. Dave

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Aliah, I love the friendly alien. You love the friendly alien. Okay,

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Well, I want to talk about
a misunderstood alien, which is why

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I'd like to talk about a film
by JJ Abrams is twenty eleven Nostalgic Alien

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Mystery Super eight. Hello everyone,
and welcome to the A Film By podcast.

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I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Brad Kozo, I'm David Burns. We got

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a fun one to talk about today, great director, great film. Before

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Speaking of something, let's talk about
J. J Abrams and Super eight.

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Dave. I know there's a couple
of people that probably are not familiar

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with this film because it was not
a mega franchise blockbuster that he's known for,

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which is a shame, Which is
a shame. But what is Super

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eight? JJ Abrams writes and directs
his love poem to Steven Spielberg. It

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is the summer of nineteen seventy nine. A group of young friends in a

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small Ohio town are struggling to not
only grow up with normal life problems,

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but also at making their zombie film
that they have been working on so hard.

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Tragedy strikes for one of them with
the loss of a loved one,

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But to make things even more interesting, and major accident derails the train,

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letting lose something that reeks havoc on
their small town. In the vein of

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the Goonies, Close Encounters of the
Third kind Et and stand By Me comes

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another wonderful coming of age story that
would have you cheering, laughing, and

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keeping on the edge of your seat
until the very last frame. Full of

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emotion and a classic sci fi story, you will find yourself brunning alongside these

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wonderful characters and loving every second of
Super eight. Thank you, Dave.

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Brad. I can't remember if this
is one of the films we saw in

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the theaters. Uh, you know, when I was out in Los Angeles

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visiting or not. I remember saying
this with my wife. I saw this

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at the Dome. Oh, you
saw it at the Dome. It was

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nice jealousy. Maybe I was with
you, Dave, just because of the

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Spielberg you know connection, Brad.
He gets all the cool he's had,

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all the cool movie theaters and jealous. Yeah, Brad, do you remember

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you remember what you thought of this
when you guys went and saw it at

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the Dome. I was kind of
curious to hear Dave's opinion first, because

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I know your opinion, but I
wanted to hear I wanted to go live

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Wow. Oh Brad, you you
are suspect already, Dave. I know

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how you feel, But why don't
you let Brad know. I know you're

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gonna tip your hand here, but
go ahead and go ahead and tell Brad

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what you think of this one.
I would think that my synopsis, so

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the film kind of gave away of
how I feel about this film, calling

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it a love poem to Steven Spielberg, because that's exactly what this thing is.

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If I was to direct something like
this, if I was in a

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position like JJ Abrams, this is
exactly what I would have done. This

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is a film that I would have
created. So I love this movie from

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beginning to end. One of the
things that I really like about this film,

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Oh, there's a bunch of stuff
I really like about this film.

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But Brad, you're a writer,
Jeff, you're a writer. We all

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write screenplays. We've done it before. You know, we were into the

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business of loving movies and talking about
movies. But this is one of those

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films that you know, when it
opens up, you immediately see that sign

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of accidents. You know, we
haven't had accents along to you. You're

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pulled right into it right away.
You know, it makes us want to

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immediately know why that accident sign is
being changed. And we see out the

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after a funeral gathering of a family
and friends with Joe sitting along alone outside,

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which just puts us into not only
the head of the main character,

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but quickly allows us to attach ourselves
and identify with him and his father to

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me, because you know, as
a screenwriter, you got to grab your

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audience within us first ten minutes,
and you need to make sure that your

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audience knows what's going on. And
I feel like jj Abrams did an incredible

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job of making us feel for Joe
immediately, and I attached myself to that

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character from beginning to end of that
film. So yes, I love this

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film, Brad, and I am
curious to hear what you have to say.

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Brad. I will I will remind
you there's a nice wide table separation.

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Dave can't possibly leap across it.
So say what you want and know

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that you're safe. Okay, Well, first of all, I should like

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this movie for a couple of reasons. Number one, J J. Abrams,

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Steven Spielberg love them both. Number
two, the dog's name is Lucy.

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My dog's name is Lucille. That, yeah, you know, two

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points. The third is all the
um references of things like the Dawn of

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the Dead posters down to the little
Dick Smith comment and you know, things

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like that. You know, those
things should make me like this film.

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But when it came down to this, and this is the second time I've

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actually no a third time I've tried
to watch this film, it just doesn't

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work for me. I think it's
it's just not it's trying too hard to

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be an homage to something that worked
so much better that all those films that

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we mentioned, Close Encounters, Goonies
stand by me, all those elements that

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made those movies great. This film
is missing from that. And a lot

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of it has to do with the
story just being just kind of bland and

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a little all over the place.
Well, one of the weakest third acts

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I've ever seen. I think the
third act of the film is just a

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slow, small burn with as.
You have to admit that the ending is

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very anticlimactic. It's very weak.
The the ending to this film incorrect.

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Okay, So for our listeners,
I'm doing my best to to dodge all

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the icy daggers flying out of Dave's
eyeballs at Brad. And we're gonna get

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into you know, Brad, I'm
glad that you mentioned the uh, the

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third act because that's something I definitely
want to talk about with both of you.

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Um. And we're gonna hear you
know, maybe maybe Brad wins Dave

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over. Maybe Dave wins Brad over. UM. I'll do my best to

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referee this one. But before we
get into it, let's talk about let's

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talk a little bit about this cast. Um. So, Brad, you

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know we talked about you mentioned Joe
Um sitting outside on the on the swing

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set, Dave uh. Newcomer Joel
Courtney. This is this is his debut.

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Correct. What you guys think of
this kid is fantastic. I thought,

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Brad, you had you have to
give it to the acting in the

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movie was it was good. All
all the people in it were fine.

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There are many many things in this
film that are that are good. It

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just I think is a fool But
yeah, there's a lot of good things

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in it though. Okay, okay, Yeah, this kid is so believable.

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It surprises me that he's a newcomer
in this movie. Yeah. His

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his relationship with um Kyle Chandler who
plays his dad. Um. Their their

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chemistry between the two of them is
incredible. UM. I don't know if

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they put them in a room or
put them together for a month or two

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before they filmed this thing, but
I believe they were a father and son.

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I thought they did a fantastic job
together. And I know the one

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scene that they were together when Joe
had to blow up to him when they

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were in the house and Joe finally
stood his ground, I thought that was

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an incredible scene. And you know, I know JJ Abrams had a little

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problem there with with Joel because he
was more soft spoken and he had to

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like get him to really shout back
Kyle Chandler in that scene. But that

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just showed you the the moments of
him and how he was able to pull

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that off. And he doesn't through
the whole film. If if you haven't

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seen this film, and you want
to know just how good this uh this

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young man wasn't it. Keep this
in mind, they they looked at five

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thousand kids for this film. Joel
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Los Angeles to visit. His brother
tagged along on a call, and you

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know, his brother's like, yeah, give it a shot. He goes

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in for like I think it's like
a Pepsi commercial or something like that that's

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a commercial and gets noticed and they
and they want him. So I think

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that's impressive. Um Brad talking about
impressive, let's talk about Kyle Chandler.

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Yeah, doing his uh very good
U coach Taylor. But Kyle Chandler just

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knows how to do um authoritary figures
really well. Whether it's in this zero

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Dark thirty Argo, obviously Friday Night
Lights. He just is a very believable

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that guy, you know type of
things. So and at the time,

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I mean, I don't I think
if Friday Night Lights had just kind of

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ended. So this was a good
role for him as as a leading man.

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He hasn't kind of taken off the
movie careers as I thought he would.

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He's kind of sticking a more TV
but I mean, yeah, I

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mean he's he does good and everything
I think he does. I think I

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think what he's great at. Uh
is that every man hero role? Yeah,

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Dave, is there a there a
an alternate universe out there where Kyle

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Chandler is more of an action hero
in the vein of Harrison Ford. I

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could see that for sure. What
about you, brad Well, remember he

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kind of played a almost fictional action
hero in King Kong. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, it was very
much like that. Um so you

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can see it. But he took
in a comical turn. It was on

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my It was on my, uh
my mind because in this film, you

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know, towards the end, you
know, he's he's he's the depute of

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the town. You know, he's
he's the one cop that's trying to keep

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it all together and take care of
everybody. But there's that moment and we're,

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I know, we're gonna talk about
how JJ loves to uh you know,

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kind of do a lot of callbacks
to Spielberg in his style. But

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that scene at the towards the end
where he punches out the soldier and then

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he is in disguise as a soldier, that is that is pure Indiana Jones

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and Raiders, you know, and
that's why I thought. I thought,

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man Kyle Chandler could have been an
Indiana Jones type everyman hero. You know.

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I love him in I love him
in this film. Let's talk about

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some of these kids though. These
other kids, Um, you know you

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got Ryan Lee playing Carrie Zach Mills
is Preston h. Riley Griffiths, who

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plays the filmmaker of the group,
Charles Kaznik. I think he's one of

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my favorite. He's one of my
favorites actually, and this was his film

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debut two by the way. Yeah. Absolutely. It's funny. I don't

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know about you guys, but when
I look at these characters to see who

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I relate to, I kind of
gravitate towards Charles Riley Griffith because he's the

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director of the zombie film that they
are making, and he's so passionate about

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it that he's not worried about anything
else because he wants to make that film.

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So I kind of gravitate towards his
character more than I do anybody else.

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Right, what what do you think
of this this cast of kids?

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Like the chemistry they got with the
exception of Riley and Joe. I mean,

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I liked their chemistry together, but
I thought the rest of the group

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was just kind of along for the
ride. You know. They didn't have

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the guy with the fireworks the carry. It just didn't play. I feel

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like having fireworks with him at all
times, that's it. Just it didn't

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seem to work. The Preston character. They just they weren't distinct enough characters.

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I felt that like we knew who, um, you know, Charles

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was, He's the director, Joe
is the makeup guy, but the other

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two were just yea, almost like
filler. Well we're forgetting the third Gabriel

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Basso plays Martin, who's like the
lead. Yeah, because I forgot.

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Yeah. Yeah, well I think
I think you you definitely have a point

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there. I think the relationship is
more geared towards like, um, the

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two best friends in a group of
friends. Um, I can't that.

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Yeah, it's about that too.
Yeah, I'll concede. I'll definitely concede

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that. Um, we got to
talk about Ellie Fanning, who who plays

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at Alice is okay, yeah,
plays Alice, plays Alice. Yeah,

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Yeah, I think I think with
bringing her character into it, it kind

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of overshouted the other chara that are
in that group, because you know,

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you you really needed her character to
bring Joe out of his show, um,

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you know, and what happened between
obviously Alice's family and Joe's family that

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we find out later in the film. So I think, and I completely

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agree with you, Brad. I
think some of those characters get lost in

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the shuffle here, and but I
think it's because of Alice's character. Let's

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talk about the rehearsal scene. They're
at the train, They're at the train

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station, they're rehearsing the film.
You know, the scene that they're about

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to do. Alice, you know, played by l Fanning is you know,

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she's along for the ride. They're
they're excited because it's like, well,

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you know, and I get it. They're all twelve, you know,

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so like the beautiful, unapproachable girl
at school is willing to be a

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part of your film project. That
scene where she does her quote unquote rehearsal,

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she is mesmerizing in it. Yeah, I mean, how she can

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turn performance on and off like that
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was that good? Yeah? But
whoa what now, Brad? I

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mean Brad at this point, correct
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the older sister of the Fannings,
right, because Dakota younger one. I

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think she's a younger one. I
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a nepo. I think she's the
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way, I'm I kind of have
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of the two. I mean they're
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really talented, But I mean she's
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You know, she's a good romantic
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group needed one more girl that wasn't
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group. I think it um having
the sister show up for just like a

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little bit Charles's sister. I think
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group a little more, there would
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yeah, I thought one more girl
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the older sister character that A.

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J. Mitchalca plays kind of it
definitely reminded me of like the the Older

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Sister and Monster Squad exactly. That's
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you know, like she's she's older. We we need her when we need

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ye uh yeah. Let's talk a
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who is severely down on his luck, played by Ron Eldard. This guy

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is awesome, Like, why don't
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good question. Character actor. Yeh
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of role before. Um, he's
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slimy, you know, down on
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great character actor. I don't I
don't. I wouldn't necessarily call him slimy

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in this because, you know,
we we find out that he has responsibility

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for an accident in this film.
Dave alluded to the the opening shot of

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the you know the mill where they're
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and how many days? Uh,
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He's just um, he's a broken
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know, I mean, and we
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a scene where, you know,
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left, but I think she laughed. Brad, Do you like him?

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before. I'm thinking of his role
in Sleepers. Yes, I remember he

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did this uh HBO movie was called
a great name Bastard out of California or

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something Bastard out of But he basically
he played an abusive father and I know

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he had like a big I remember
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he had a big anger problem in
there, So that's kind of I remember

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that, Like he couldn't hold his
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remember him too from a deep impact. He was the hero astronaut. Yeah,

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I forgot about that role. The
guy's fantastic. I like him.

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I like him a lot. I'll
tell you another guy, another character actor

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Brad that's in this uh who We
don't see a lot of him, but

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I think he's really important. Uh. Talking about Glenn glint Urman playing doctor

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Woodward. Oh yeah, and I
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but he's always he's he's most nine
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a biology teacher. Yeah, I
was waiting for him pupil stage. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, stage the I
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where he wasn't a teacher of some
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in out of Bounds. Uh.
We did on Our Patriot. We did

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at one of the one of the
Lost eighty six episodes we covered Yeah,

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we covered out of Bounds with Jason
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podcast and and Glenn Is playing the
detective who gives us the movie's title,

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like, you know, you better
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of bounds, you know. But
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for whatever reason, it's like he's
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a biology teacher and he's either trying
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liked his role in it, you
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Yeah, okay, okay, okay, Dave, what are your thoughts

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on? Uh? Noah Emerick another
another great character actor, playing the Villas

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villainous colonel is it Nelick? Yeah? Now, like, yeah, dude,

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that guy always plays a good bad
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He's a great soldier character. So
I can see why he got casted into

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that position. Uh, he's a
jerk. He thinks he knows it all

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and obviously gets what he deserves.
He he does indeed, Like, yeah,

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he always plays the guy like you
hope they got it coming to him.

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Yeah, you know, like I
like his banker character and warrior when

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when he's when he's taking taking Joel
Edgerson's house, Like, man, someone

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punch that guy in the face,
you know, and you're waiting for Kyle

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Chandler to punch him in the face
this whole movie. I'm like, just

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do it. Come on, come
on, coach, Come on, coach,

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Come on, Coach Taylor, like, just knock him out right,

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uh these moments. We talked a
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the train station, but this train
wreck scene, the whole sequence, Brad,

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is this not one of the biggest
just blockbuster moments of of a sci

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fi film? The way they shot
and I remember was that was well,

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at least some of it, because
it's a long train crash. Yeah,

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a long thing. That was the
trailer and I remember, and that was

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like they showed that, and then
it was like the titles from JJ Abrams

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and Steven Spielberg and it's like,
okay, I can kind of see this

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right now. But yeah, and
and some of it was real and some

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of it was CG, but I
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spectacular train, you know, trash. The fact that anyone survives it as

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a little fishy, but still,
well do they do they? I mean

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the train itself. Are you talking
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I'm talking about the kid and that
someone that was in a pickup truck and

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decided to run into it is in
one piece. Uh yeah, Okay,

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I know Brad has some some some
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concede this one too. You know, Uh, the good biology teacher is

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driving head on at a freight train
and uh somehow manages to you know,

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barely survived, because I wouldn't say
he walks away like he's Bruce Willison unbreakable.

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love the I love the idea that
I mean, you're watching this and Brad,

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you like you said this this is
a long sequence. I'm scared for

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the kids because every time they run
in one direction, there's shrapnel or metal

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or something exploding or falling near them
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direction. It's it's a great moment, I think. Did you notice the

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really intelligent thing that they did too, that they they made the sound really

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loud so that it seemed like the
you know, we were hearing what the

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kids were hearing. Did you notice
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the I definitely picked up on that, uh more so on purpose? Well

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more so And maybe you guys,
I don't know if you caught this,

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because this has got a great,
great score film score, and Dave,

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I'm sure you're you want to talk
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watching it this recent time, there
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purpose score at all. Note as
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yep. That was actually Michael Giacchino, who did the score's idea.

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He said that they shouldn't have any
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the most important thing to watch and
the most important thing to watch the kids

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because of what was going on on
screen, and he didn't want the music

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did you track from that? Which
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But I get what he was saying. Yeah, Dave, sounds like you

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got a little a little bit more
you got, you got some insight.

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Uh we can we talk a little
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absolutely would love to. Um.
This was released to a June tenth,

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twenty eleven, on a budget of
fifty million dollars. It would end up

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earning two hundred and sixty million dollars
worldwide, so a pretty successful film.

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Um JJ. Abrahams actually had the
idea to start of film by showing a

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Factories accident free sign you know,
which we talked about that several times.

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You're already That was actually the first
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movie, and then he started molding
it with another idea that he had and

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eventually turned into this. Primary photography
began in fall of September October twenty ten

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in Weirton, West Virginia, so
not too far from us, and it

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lasted through December. Steven Spielberg actually
was reportedly on set a lot, and

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him and Abrams have gone on record
as saying as this was the most fun

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they've had on set in a really
long time. But let's be honest here,

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if I was on a set with
Steven Spielberg, I probably would have

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the funnest time I've ever had in
my life. Too. Another interesting thing,

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too, is this takes place in
Ohio, not too far from where

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we were born and raised, guys, just west of Dayton is where it's

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supposed to take place in a fictional
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Abrams named after his grandmother, which
I thought was really cool. He tried

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desperately to get George Romero to cameo
in this film since they were shooting close

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to Pittsburgh, but fortunately it didn't
work out, which that wouldn't been amazing

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because I don't know if you guys
caught it. But in the kids film,

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what was it? Romero's um?
It was a Romero chemical? Whatnot

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chemical? Yes, something like that, Yes, which I thought was a

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nice touch to give that nod to
George Romero. But yeah, pretty cool

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stuff. He talks about this being
the fictional town in Ohio, and you

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know, we grew up, you
know, whether you're talking about Amelia,

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New Richmond, Eastgate, I'm watching
this that we grew up in this neighborhood,

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right, we grew up in this
town. Yeah, this could be

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any of the areas that you know, or ten minutes away from us.

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So yeah, I did like that
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like, yep, that's that's pretty
much what it looks like. That Why

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that is? That is where we
live? Uh? You know, he

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we we've been talking about Spielberg.
Are you guys familiar with the you know,

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the whole, the whole Abrams Spielberg
connection. Do you know where?

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Do you know how that began?
Well? I believed the day him and

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Matt Reeves were supposed or did restore
some of Spielberg's original like Super eight films

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that he did when he was a
kid. I'm right right that is.

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But but do you know how they
met? How they met? This is

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good, This is a fun one. So it's nineteen eighty nine when they

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meeted a film festival. Spielberg actually
pitched the idea of a sequel to Who

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Framed Roger Rabbit and uh talked about
you know, Zemecke's coming back and him

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producing and potentially having Abram's right,
because as we all know, Abrams is

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a very talented writer. Uh,
it only went as far like allegedly Abrams

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has some some fun storyboards for the
movie, and that's that's pretty much all

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that exists for who frame Roger Rabbit
Part two? Oh man? Yeah,

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could you imagine the possibilities it can
will do that? What are you talking

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about? I'd be up for it. Yeah. Yeah, interesting story though.

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How they met that's pretty cool.
Yeah, very cool, Like,

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you know, i'd be excited,
Like I went to this film festival,

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yeah, and I met Steven spiel
and he and he talked about a job.

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So yeah, I do think it's
pretty cool anytime you see collaborations like

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this in Hollywood, especially when it's
someone that you know, like they're they're

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this situation. You know, he
grows up idolizing, Spielberg becomes you know,

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building, you know, just comes
J Abrams, but comes J.

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Yeah, thank you, becomes j
J Abrams. Yeah, Brad, this

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film has got some some incredible stuff
in it. But let's talk. Let's

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talk about one scene you know that
you think you take the scene out and

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the film is less without it,
Like, what what's the pivotal scene for

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you? When when you when it
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Oh okay, you're gonna go with
the big, big moment. It's

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the train wreck because there's a lot
of stuff like I said that I thought

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should have been put in or taken
out. Um, but I mean,

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to me, that is the best
part of the film. Is is the

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train crash. And I mean everything
leading up to it, Like I said,

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the the no music and how you
can as you're still seeing them do

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that scene. You see that light
just slowly creeping up, slowly and slowly

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slow because you know it's coming.
Anybody that saw the trailer knows that it's

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coming. It's like this, it's
coming. Where is it? So you're

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waiting for it, You're you're you're
on your toes waiting for it. You're

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just not expecting to be that big. So yeah, it's that one.

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I thought for sure the actor and
you would be choosing the scene that I

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think is the pivotal moment. But
uh, before before I reveal that,

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let's let's let's see what Dave has
to say. What Dave, what's what's

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the what's the scene? So mind's
a little lengthy to just bear with me

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here. And this is where when
Brad said that he thought the third act

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was the weakest, and I completely
disagree with him because I think the ending

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is the part that I think is
the strongest. Because you know, let's

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admit, there's a lot of great
scenes in this film, you know,

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the train crashing, the bus attack, the tanks, the weapons going off

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as the kids are racing through the
neighborhood, and even the simple scenes between

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the kids interact with one another,
and even the scene between Alice and Joe

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when they're watching his home movies of
his mother. But to me, it

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is the ending. The music that
Michael Gciano gives us, it's you know,

408
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:40.720
it just gives me chills to hear
that score. But Joe letting go

409
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:45.680
of his mother's necklace a symbol of
letting go of the pain and moving on,

410
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.039
you know. And then before that, when his father and him meet

411
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.400
eyes and they you know, he
runs up to him and grabs him and

412
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.920
says, I got you, you
know, very emotional, and it feels

413
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.680
just like et just like it should. You know. Not only do we

414
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:03.440
have the alien getting free after years
of torture, uh in imprisonment, but

415
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.960
he fights his way to get home, which is really, in my opinion,

416
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.279
is the backstory to Joe and Jackson's
pain that they had to deal with,

417
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.359
you know, losing a mother,
losing a wife, and the two

418
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.319
of them realizing in that moment when
they find each other again and hug,

419
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:22.480
that they have each other and that's
what matters. That's why I think that

420
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.839
ending was very powerful and that movie
would not have worked if we did not

421
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:33.559
have that. Okay, I that
uh, very very well said. And

422
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.160
man, Brad, you know that
is not the scene that I'm thinking is

423
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.039
the pivotal moment in this in this
film. So maybe there's there's a lot

424
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.039
of pivotal moments, but I'm thinking, Brad, you and I had a

425
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:47.960
conversation about this scene. So that's
why I thought, Yeah, Brad's Brad's

426
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:52.319
got this one. Uh the argument
between father and son, you know.

427
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.160
Yeah, well, I mean I
think that's I think it's funny the way

428
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.759
he talks to the son. Well, I mean, well, okay,

429
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.359
I know you love the line that
he that he gives him, but but

430
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:08.400
just the moment where where uh where
Joe kind of takes takes a stand and

431
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.359
you know, like like we've talked
about and you know, he's not gonna

432
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.359
be told you know what to do
because you know, he's he's kind of

433
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.559
calling his father out on the on
the fact that he's not he hasn't been

434
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:23.720
there his whole life. Yeah,
and uh, just the the moment between

435
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:30.039
those two, I think it's it's
it's an incredible moment, definitely. Uh

436
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:35.119
is is probably the more weighted scene
of this of of the movie. And

437
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:40.440
uh, I feel like without that
moment, we don't understand the animosity between

438
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:45.559
the two throughout the entire movie.
Uh, it definitely would weaken the the

439
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:50.000
ending where they they embrace and you
know things are gonna kind of be okay.

440
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.319
So um yeah, I mean I
was looking at the uh when when

441
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.880
Alice is kind of given the the
background of what happened on the day of

442
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.599
the accident, you know, they
watching home movies of of Joe's mom I

443
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.359
thought that was a great moment,
and I was I was like, this

444
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.799
might be this might be the scene. But I don't. I don't think

445
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:12.359
you can get away from what Joel
Courtney and Kyle Chandler do in that moment.

446
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.000
So interesting. We uh, you
know, we typically you know,

447
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.599
we all kind of agree, you
know, like, yeah, that's got

448
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:23.319
to be the scene but this is
a situation where we went we went separate

449
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:28.480
ways. I like that though.
That's that just movie spoke volume to each

450
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:32.079
of us differently. That's pretty cool, absolutely, Brad, Okay, let's

451
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:37.079
we gotta we gotta talk about this. I know you both are you know,

452
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:39.160
you've been sizing each other up and
circling each other the whole episode.

453
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:45.960
We gotta talk about this ending.
So now to be fair, Um,

454
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:51.640
you know, the audience critics everyone
are kind of split down the middle.

455
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:57.599
It's been lauded as both fantastic and
to Brad's point, very anti climactic.

456
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.480
Um, I think what we have
to do in order to decide, like

457
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.920
which way are we going to roll
on this is you know, we got

458
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.599
to talk a little bit about this
this uh this this alien because you know,

459
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:12.519
we opened up we were talking about
you know, like the the hostile

460
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.960
type of aliens, like you like
a xenomorph, and we talked about the

461
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:22.719
the fun heartfelt you know, let's
save them aliens like uh like et So

462
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:28.840
this thing, you know, it
crashes and we find out through the story

463
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:39.079
it has been imprisoned and you know, experimented on and tortured for decades and

464
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:44.159
over that time, it has grown
to resent us, obviously because we're the

465
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:50.239
hostile species. So you know,
we talked about it being misunderstood. I'm

466
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.239
I get it, like, you
know, it should want to, you

467
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.760
know, wreck the town and it
should want to eat us, and you

468
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:59.119
know, and do what it needs
to do to get to get out of

469
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.079
town and get back home. So
Brad, you you feel it's very anticlimactic.

470
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.159
I'm gonna ask you because I know
when it comes to the seventies and

471
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.559
the eighties, you are always going
to be in the camp of the seventies.

472
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:14.280
When it comes to the gritty filmmaking
of the seventies, I felt like

473
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.320
the class I felt like the amending
was it was kind of like an ode

474
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:22.760
to the Close Encounters. You know, like you got this big, grand

475
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:30.480
thing happening, but you know,
the resolutions not as prominent, you know.

476
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:35.639
I just feel so all the other
movies that are referenced as a homage

477
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:43.880
to this film all have a great
build up to the ending, and you

478
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.679
know, Close Encounters has the drive
into the town and the chase up the

479
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:52.199
mountain with just the I mean the
great ending of the aliens coming down and

480
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:58.239
communicating ets got the bike ride with
the kids flying in the air, then

481
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:02.199
the spaceship you know, Goonies has
the pirate ship and everything like this.

482
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.360
Well, first of all, why
isn't the military checking out the school in

483
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.760
the first place? And that shed
you know, and like you know,

484
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:16.280
Noah was it Noah Emeric? Yeah, like of all the places, the

485
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:24.119
check they wait till the last and
the monster keeping people and I just yeah,

486
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:29.800
that just none of that worked the
way those other films worked with that.

487
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:35.559
And then will you get this very
sappy, you know, kind of

488
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:40.880
delivery of we Hurt Too, and
it it just felt kind of cheesebolish.

489
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.679
No, no, it was cheap, its polish. It was very cheesy.

490
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:50.679
I know they wanted to end the
film very etsqe with the ship going

491
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.760
up and the kids looking, but
I felt at this point, you know,

492
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:59.280
everything with the necklace were I mean, we're trying too hard to build

493
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.639
that team. Well, I make
why are you building so much to try

494
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:08.199
and make us cry when we don't
really need to It just yeah, I

495
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:13.559
just felt that the last act of
the film was pushing it so hard to

496
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:19.719
be this brand scale um opus of
a film that's going to be talked about

497
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.679
by generations and generations like those other
films that we mentioned, and it's just

498
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:34.119
not going to be Dave your your
rebuttal, sir, he's wrong. I

499
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.599
mean what I can say, Hold
wait, hold on, hold on,

500
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.079
wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's you know you you had,

501
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:43.079
you had your time, sir.
Let's let's see. Let's see what Dave

502
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.239
has to say. You know,
Dave, because you love that, you

503
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.440
love the ending, I do,
you know? And I feel like when

504
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:52.239
I when I talked about the ending
that I got, you know, because

505
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.239
again and I'll say it again,
I felt the alien was the backstory of

506
00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:00.239
you know, the father and son's
story. You know, sure they were

507
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.239
trying to go for you know,
I guess, well, Brad say a

508
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:07.760
sappy story, but I still felt
like that word to me because that's how

509
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:12.800
we started this movie, was getting
involved in this family who had lost someone,

510
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.679
so we are following them. They
are the characters. This alien just

511
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:21.159
happens to show up and become part
of the story that you know, pushes

512
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:25.639
and drives them to realize they need
each other. That alien pushed them to

513
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:31.880
that reason. We don't really need
to know anymore. One of the problems

514
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:37.880
I do have with this movie,
and is the fact that the biology teacher

515
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.840
worked for the military, knows all
these teachers and he doesn't let him go

516
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.800
and work for a school. I
do have a problem with that, absolutely,

517
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:49.119
and I think that is something that
should have been fixed in the script.

518
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:53.280
But I still feel that the ending
worked great because of the character development

519
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:59.320
that we got throughout the film and
pulled them together, and that's what we

520
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:04.000
got. Well, you know,
I I see your side a little bit,

521
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.239
Brad, But for me, I
don't need a copycat of all these

522
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.400
other movies. You know. I
know it's given an omatch to all of

523
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:14.320
these films, and I think it
did a really good job with that.

524
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.800
And that's the way I saw it. It's looking through JJ abrams because and

525
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:21.119
like I said earlier, if I
was to direct this, I would have

526
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.480
gone probably the same route. You
know, I want to give an omatch

527
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:25.840
to all of these films. I
don't want to copy other things. Even

528
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:30.039
though you kind of are with an
homage, but you're still focused on those

529
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.840
two characters, and I think that
was the most important piece, and I

530
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:38.000
think that got lost with a lot
of people. Well, oh, I'm

531
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:42.519
still here and I have A I
have a thought on that, okay myself.

532
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:47.679
Look, I could appreciate both viewpoints
here. However, the thing that

533
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:55.800
I love about the third act is
that we begin it with that that going

534
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:00.920
into the Monster's Din style of of
a of an ending. You know,

535
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:06.519
we're we're hunting the thing, and
then it flips on us and then it

536
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:12.320
becomes about a rescue. It's it's
about helping this thing get get away,

537
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.440
you know. And I love the
fact that, you know, uh,

538
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:23.280
that Joe has that moment with the
the creature, the alien, and it's

539
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:27.159
kind of like an understood thing,
like yeah, wait it, you know,

540
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.199
because you know, Brad was like, you know, Brad to your

541
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:30.760
point, you know, you said, you know, well, why is

542
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.440
he keeping all these people? Well
they're cocoon because he's eating them, you

543
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.360
know. And again I don't feel
like that's a villainous thing. It's just

544
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.679
he you know, surviving, he
he's surviving. He you know, you

545
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:45.000
need a snackpack, you know.
So you know, I mean, if

546
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:49.280
we're we're on a four, we're
in a foreign area, we're gonna we

547
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.119
land somewhere, We're gonna we're gonna
eat you know, we're gonna hunt and

548
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.639
that's that's all it is. So, um, I don't know. I

549
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.400
mean I'm in the camp. Uh, Dave, I loved, I loved

550
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:04.000
your thoughts uh and your viewpoints.
Uh. And while you know, while

551
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.599
I agree with with uh with you
thinking that that it's a great ending,

552
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.880
Uh, it's a strong third act. Uh, it's it's for the reasons

553
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.079
that I stated. So um yeah, but I mean, listen, this

554
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.559
this film. We we've all got
different opinions, which I think is pretty

555
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.679
cool. Uh, whether it's we're
talking about things that that are impactful or

556
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:28.119
or or problematic. So uh,
this just again, anytime you have a

557
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.639
film like this where you're kind of
you're having this kind of conversation, it

558
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:36.760
means something. I think it does. And you know, everybody respects everybody's

559
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:38.840
opinions. That's what we do well
here, you know, I respect Brad

560
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.440
for his opinion. I expect you
respect yours, Jeff, because that's what

561
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.079
we do here. You know,
we can't all agree. It's just that's

562
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:46.800
the way it works. It'd be
boring if we all agreed. Well,

563
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.360
we're gonna take a quick break,
but when we get back, we're gonna

564
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:57.000
talk about director J. J.
Abrams. Okay, Jason's test of our

565
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.440
friendship, which is better Van Halen
or Van hagar Man? Honestly, I

566
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:01.760
think Vana hagar has better music.
Oh no, no, no, no,

567
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:06.719
it's Van Hampy wrong. What about
Michael Jackson's bad album versus Michael Jackson's

568
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.400
thriller out Thriller obviously bestseller ever?
No, no, see, people tricked

569
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:14.280
themselves and believe that it's actually bad. Okay, Trading Places versus Coming to

570
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:16.000
America. Trade Places is the funnier
movie out of this this down. No.

571
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:22.000
Coming to America is the funniest movie
of all time. So if you

572
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:23.960
find yourself backing one of us or
the other of us, you need to

573
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.760
be listening to the Shirley you can't
be serious podcasts. That's right. We

574
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.320
have a friendly discussion. D and
I are best buddies, and we take

575
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:32.239
a deep dive and look at the
behind the scenes stuff, the history and

576
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:36.639
the fun facts of all these wonderful
movies and music from our youth. It's

577
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:38.920
really just an opportunity for us to
geek out about the things that we really

578
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:43.360
loved growing up. For example,
do you know the actor that was in

579
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:45.679
Star Wars Batman eighty nine and Raiders
of the Lost Ark. Yeah, Sharris

580
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.159
Harrison Ford, Harrison Ford in Batman, Oh yeah, Billy B. Williams.

581
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:51.400
Billy D. Williams was not in
Raiders of the Lost Ark. Who

582
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:52.920
was it? Well, you've got
to tune in to the Shirley You Can't

583
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.679
Be Serious podcast. When we discussed
Raiders of the Lost Stark presses back to

584
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:02.280
the future to find out the answer. We are back talking about Super eight.

585
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:07.159
Jeff Can you tell us a little
bit about the director, producer,

586
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:15.360
writer, JJ Abrams, composer.
Yeah, listen, there is too much

587
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:20.280
to tell you about Jeffrey Jacob Abrams. So I'm gonna be as short and

588
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:24.440
sweet as possible. Born in New
York City to parents that were both television

589
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:29.039
producers, he had planned to go
to art school instead of college, but

590
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:34.119
ultimately enrolled in Sarah Lawrence College in
New York City. At sixteen, he

591
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.960
writes the music for his first film, nineteen eighty two's horror movie Night Beast.

592
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:44.320
Did you guys see that one?
No, I'm I'm curious now,

593
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.440
but it's During his senior year at
college, he partners with Oscar nominated director

594
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:54.760
Paul Mazurki's daughter Jill to write a
treatment. That treatment would go on to

595
00:43:54.800 --> 00:44:00.440
be sold to Touchtone Pictures and become
a little film, a little Jim Blushi

596
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.239
film called Taking Care of Business.
Did you guys see that one? Love

597
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:08.920
that movie? Love that movie?
Right? That was him? That's crazy.

598
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.719
Yeah, well you know this is
and I didn't know that was him,

599
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:15.880
but more surprising to me a couple
of years. A year later,

600
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:22.719
he writes regarding Henry uh the nineteen
ninety one Harrison Ford movie, yea great

601
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:23.800
movie, Brad, you and I
kid, we can never look at ritz

602
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:30.280
Crackers without thinking about that Z.
And then a year later follows that up.

603
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:34.079
He writes the screenplay for Mel Gibson
movie called Forever Young. That's right,

604
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.559
Oh my gosh, So I had
no idea he had such a prominent

605
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:43.280
beginning as a writer and a composer. But um, nineteen ninety four,

606
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.159
we're all we're all about to graduate
high school. He teams up with another

607
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:51.159
with other Sarah Lawrence alums h.
They're known as the propeller Heads. They

608
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:57.480
start doing experiments in computer animation,
and that work appeals to none other than

609
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:05.960
Jeffrey Katzenberg. Guess what he had
to do with him. Okay, dreams

610
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:09.239
a thing yet I don't know if
it was. I believe it was because

611
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:17.079
he hires them to UH to develop
animation for a little animated movie called Shrek

612
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:21.639
starring Yeah. I feeling that's where
you were going with it. Yeah,

613
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.400
interesting and if that, you know, so he's he's writing music, he's

614
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:30.639
writing screenplays, he's he's developing animation, computer animation. Nineteen ninety eight,

615
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:36.840
he writes another screenplay, Armageddon,
which earns him a Razzie Award for Worst

616
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:38.840
Screenplay. I can't believe that that
movie was that movie. That movie is

617
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.440
fun right, and you know,
you know what's funny enough is the other

618
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.039
writer I believe on that, Jonathan
Hensley. I think his name is or

619
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.800
or no I or Kiva Colesman.
One of them eventually ends up winning an

620
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:55.519
Oscar later, I think from Beautiful
mind if yeah, And I'm pretty sure

621
00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.320
that JJ abrams when I read about
movies and stuff in the late nineties in

622
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.519
early two thousands, he did a
lot of ghostwriting too, to help other

623
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.079
films out. He did do some
uncredited stuff, which you know, we

624
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:12.840
didn't really talk about. But same
year he writes Armageddon. He also teams

625
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.239
up with his buddy Matt Reeves,
amazing director we have yet to talk about

626
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:22.239
on this podcast, but they create
the show Felicity, which starts the whole

627
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:30.639
I'm JJ Abrams and you know I
create Blockbuster Television. So in two thousand

628
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:36.559
and one he creates the production company
Bad Robot with Brian Burke, and they

629
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:40.920
would go on to create Lost in
Alias and Fringe. I know, Dave,

630
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.159
I know you and I are big
fans of Fringe. Brad, I

631
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:49.480
know you and I are big fans
of Lost. I've never actually seen Lost.

632
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:52.039
I would like to watch it.
Yeah, I would like that's a

633
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.119
show that I would like to start
from me getting to end. Ah Man,

634
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:59.639
you're it's such a great one.
Which when Loss came out, there

635
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.280
was no streaming, you know,
so it was either you either tape it

636
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:07.440
or you asked somebody if you could
borrow their DVD set, you know,

637
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.480
and you just didn't know that many
people. It was it was dreaming.

638
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:15.440
It was get your ass home because
it's Wednesday night, and it's it's and

639
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:19.119
if you worked at night, you
were just like, I just gonna have

640
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.679
to I just I knew I missed
my Lost window after a while, Jeff,

641
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.599
I think we were neighbors at that
time, because I think we watched

642
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.199
Lost together at times. Yeah,
yeah, I would, I would,

643
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:31.000
I would Cramer in your door and
just yeah, yeah, it's Lost,

644
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.119
so let's watch it. I'm gonna
ask you guys. Um, he's probably

645
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.400
I know he's famous for these things, but he's also very famous for Alias.

646
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:44.679
And that's something I never saw.
Now, you know, I did

647
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.239
not look as I know I didn't
either. I'm sure it was good.

648
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:51.280
Um, you know, it had
a lot of guest stars on it.

649
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:55.360
I think Bradley Cooper started on that
show. Um, Quentin Tarantino I think

650
00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.280
wrote and directed one episode, So
I mean it had a he had a

651
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:04.159
big follow Well do you know who? Do you know who who was who

652
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.920
was a big fan of that show? Who? None other? Nope,

653
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:10.360
Well that would have been a good
That would have been a good guest bright

654
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.920
maybe who knows, maybe spoburg Is. But I'll tell you who was a

655
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:20.760
fan of Alias. Uh, none
other than Tom Cruise because there's the connection.

656
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.840
In two thousand and four, he's
hired to write and direct the The

657
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:29.960
Third Mission Impossible movie, and it's
all at the insistence of Tom Cruise.

658
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:34.079
So there you have it. Uh, and that's that, you know,

659
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:38.239
directorial debut, Mission Impossible three.
That is one heck of a movie to

660
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:45.199
start your Yeah, he's been involved
involved producing every one of those films since

661
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:50.000
then. Yep. Yeah, So
let's talk a little bit about this filmography.

662
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:52.400
Um. Now, we we talked
about some of the things that he

663
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:55.960
has written. By the way,
I know we're all fans of this one.

664
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.960
He wrote joy Ride also two thousand
and one. Wow, I did

665
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:04.320
not recently watch that a couple of
months ago, and you know the movie

666
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.440
is, Yeah, the thing is, you're not gonna see the like these

667
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:08.920
these writing credits, you're not going
to see them where it says j.

668
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:14.559
J. Abrams because he was going
by Jeffrey Jacob, Jeffrey Abrams, Jeffrey

669
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.159
Jeffrey Abrams or Jeffrey Jacob Abrams.
He didn't become JJ Abrams until Mission A

670
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:23.039
Possible three when he has arrived.
So yeah, two thousand and six,

671
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:30.159
Mission A Possible three. We had
had the John wu action movie with the

672
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:32.920
second one, and then this kind
of this kind of I don't want to

673
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:37.559
say course corrects, but it does
get it back on track to like the

674
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:42.840
original one, exactly your your your
your thoughts on Mission A Possible three agreed

675
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.679
both the best thing that they probably
did was take it in that direction.

676
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:52.039
And um, you know it was
six years between you know that second and

677
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:57.079
third film, so taking the time
and find it in the right way that

678
00:49:57.079 --> 00:49:59.920
they want to go to that and
I think every one of those films had

679
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:05.000
which is weird. The sequels are
supposed to get worse as they get,

680
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.880
but these ones seem to be getting
better. They do, yes, they

681
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:14.199
do. Here's something I thought I
thought was was really interesting. He gets

682
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:20.320
that job because initially, like in
two thousand and two, David Fincher was

683
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:25.800
attached to direct Mission Impossible three.
He leaves the project over creative differences with

684
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:32.280
Tom Cruise. Then they hired Joe
Carnahan, who by two thousand and four

685
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:40.039
leaves the project citing creative differences.
And then Tom Cruise is like, hey,

686
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:44.960
I like this guy, I like
this show. Get him. Paramount's

687
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:51.360
like, well, he has some
obligations to lost an alias that's going to

688
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:55.440
delay the movie. And at the
time he had Kenneth Brannig, Kerry and

689
00:50:55.559 --> 00:51:00.480
Moss and Scarlett Johansson all in the
cast of m I three MM. And

690
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.920
they're like, well, we're not
waiting, let's let's go. Tom says,

691
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:07.280
now we're waiting. So the three
of them left the project. I

692
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.280
mean that again. That says something
like when Tom Cruise wants something, he's

693
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:15.079
gonna get it. Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about two thousand and nine.

694
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:19.480
He takes on, he leaves,
he leaves the Mission Impossible franchise.

695
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:23.039
He's still with Paramount and now we're
talking about rebooting Star Trek and he does

696
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:27.760
an incredible job with it. He
breathed life back into Star Trek, is

697
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:31.679
what he did. He made it
cool. Yeah he did right, Yeah,

698
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:36.039
now he is. He's on record
as saying he was a Star Wars

699
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.840
guy, but he felt, you
know, I can I can bring other

700
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:44.880
people people like me. I can
bring them into the Star Trek world,

701
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:50.039
you know, because I know he
started off. It's it's it's after Mission

702
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:54.280
Impossible three. Uh. Robert orc
and Alex Kirtman they've got the deal to

703
00:51:54.360 --> 00:52:00.000
write the film, and you know, they bring him on as a producer.

704
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:05.440
But I thought this was kind of
cool. He accepted Paramounts offer to

705
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.960
direct it, saying, and I
quote he would be so agonizingly envious of

706
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:14.800
whoever stepped in and directed the movie. And that's after he read the script.

707
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:16.639
So I thought, like, Brad, you said it man, he

708
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:22.760
made it cool, right, and
you know the bat Boys on the soundtrack,

709
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:28.440
you know, Chris Chris Pine playing
playing a young Kirk. Everything on

710
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.039
that movie for me worked. He
gave the Star Trek that grittiness that it

711
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:36.039
was missing, you know, that
that military esque feel to it, and

712
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:38.840
he brought that and gave it,
like I said, a new breath of

713
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:44.000
air to star track and it worked. It worked a big time, but

714
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:50.679
still keeping the science fiction mystery to
it, you know, a little a

715
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:55.960
little geeky and you know, time
warpie type of things. So that balancing

716
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.440
that out and giving a film that
could both men and women can enjoy,

717
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:04.360
you know, and a like,
oh, yeah, this is just not

718
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:08.559
a Star Trek film, It's an
entertaining good film. Yep. Yeah.

719
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:13.199
Well, he was protective of the
lore, like you know, when it

720
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:17.360
comes like their prime directive, you
know, not to disturb indigenous planets and

721
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:22.400
uh and help them with their technology. He was respectful of what had come

722
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.519
before, but you know, he
gave it that grit that you guys are

723
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:30.280
talking about. He made it cool
like you guys were talking about twenty eleven

724
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:35.400
Super eight. We've been talking about
that this episode. And then as he's

725
00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:39.639
rapping Super eight, he promises to
get right back into Star Trek talking about

726
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:45.639
Star Trek Into Darkness. Now,
this is originally conceived as a two parter,

727
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:51.039
and they were planning on bringing Shatner
back as an older Kirk, the

728
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:54.000
same way they had brought Leonard Nimoy
back in the first film. Obviously,

729
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:58.320
none of that happened, and we
got we got what we got, you

730
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:02.519
know, with the whole you know, the whole con um situation. Well,

731
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:07.760
Brad, your thoughts on Into Darkness. I loved it. I loved

732
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.360
Into Darkness. I know a lot
of people don't like it. I thought

733
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:15.360
it was great. I thought it
was a great thing to throw in Cohn

734
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:19.280
in there it. I remember smiling
when he looked at the camera and said,

735
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:21.800
my name is conn I'm like,
I knew it, I knew what

736
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:23.480
I happened, knew it. I
thought it was great. I thought it

737
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:28.519
was I liked the twist that they
did between switching the Kirk and Spock thing.

738
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.119
I thought it was a great sequel, a great summer movie. I

739
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:34.920
don't know why people had a problem
with it, but I had a problem

740
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:40.679
with Super eight, So I understand. Okay, Dave problems with the Into

741
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:44.679
Darkness or because I know you're a
big fan of The Star Trek, I

742
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:49.840
am. I was not a fan
of Star Trek Into Darkness because I caught

743
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:52.199
it. I knew. I knew
it was gonna be all about Con before

744
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:55.079
they even started making this movie.
I knew that was where JJ Abrams was

745
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:59.880
gonna go with it, retreading all
new the same ground again that we saw

746
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.239
with the Wrath of Cohn. We
didn't need it. Um, there are

747
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:05.719
parts of it are really good,
but yeah, I was lift down by

748
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:10.199
that film. Okay, this time
I'll step onto Brad's side of the of

749
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:15.719
the camp because I got what I
what I hoped for. You know,

750
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.119
at the time, I was like, oh, he's He's Cohn, and

751
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:22.159
they're like, no, we're not
doing that, And then yeah, I

752
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:22.920
I was. I was right there
with Brad like, oh, I knew

753
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.000
it. I knew he was gonna
be con. I thought it was a

754
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:29.559
fun action movie. I again,
Brad, to your point, I loved

755
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:34.960
the classic death scene. But the
way they flipped it and uh and changed

756
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:39.440
it, I thought it was fantastic. Um. Yeah, so moving on.

757
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:45.079
You know, he's a Star Wars
guy that has made some Star Trek

758
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:51.400
films and now he finally gets to
make some Star Wars movies. So I

759
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:57.519
know the three of us all have
some uh some very strong and long winded

760
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:02.280
opinions on the the the Disney trilogy
as it were. Uh, we don't

761
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.840
have time to get into all that, but I will tell you this.

762
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:10.880
Listeners. If you would like to
hear what Brad and Dave and myself have

763
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:19.599
to say about the Force Awakens and
about the Rise of Skywalker the Rise of

764
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:24.360
Skywalker, check out head over to
Docking Base seventy seven. Last May,

765
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:30.559
we were involved in a two part
episode entitled Not So Long Ago in theaters

766
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:37.559
not too far Away if you want
to hear our friend and host of that

767
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:42.039
podcast, Dayton Johnson, take some
beatings here and there as he defends some

768
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:46.039
of the movies. Uh, you
know, check that out. Great episode

769
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:49.119
I had. I had a blast
talk in Star Wars with Dayton. I

770
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:54.800
know so much. And if it's
May here, it's it's revisit that because

771
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:59.639
it May the fourth and then you're
gonna want to watch Star Wars after absolutely.

772
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:00.960
Yeah, yep, yeah, we
just uh yeah, that just happened.

773
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:04.880
So yeah, check check check him
out because that's a good that's a

774
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:08.760
good episode. Quickly though, to
offer a little bit of a spoiler to

775
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:15.159
that episode. Your thoughts on JJ
Abrams's work in the Star Wars universe.

776
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:20.199
I thought he did a good job. I thought he did actually a really

777
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.039
great job. I loved both films
that he did. I know the second

778
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:29.639
film didn't get as much appreciation as
the first film. It made us all

779
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:34.960
excited about Star Wars again, and
it said something that we just never thought

780
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:39.320
we'd see, and we never thought
we'd see it done so well, you

781
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:45.280
know, and not just a quick
cameo type of movie. So I liked

782
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:46.559
what he did with it, and
I'm glad he was a part of it.

783
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:50.000
I wish he would have been a
part of all three films, all

784
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.880
right, Dave, your quick thoughts. Exactly what Brad just said right there

785
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:58.920
at the end. I wish he
had had the whole trilogy because what he

786
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:02.599
did with the fourth Awaken was fantastic. He kind of had to clean up

787
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:07.639
a mess with the Rise of Skywalker. So if he was able to do

788
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.039
all three of them, we would
have had a different outcome of a better

789
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:15.239
trilogy. All right, So I'll
tell you something. Doing some homework guys,

790
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.719
you know, talking about what's next
for this guy, there's like forty

791
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.760
different projects he's either writing, or
he's producing, or he's in development on.

792
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:29.880
So rather than try to even talk
about any of them, I want

793
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:34.119
to know, starting with you,
Brad, if you're going to pitch to

794
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:37.599
jj Abrams, what do you want
to see him do next? And more

795
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:42.119
importantly sub question, are you are
you wanting him to write it and directed

796
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:46.800
or just directed? I would like
him to direct a fourth and final Star

797
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:52.880
Trek film. Star Trek Beyond was
if you didn't like the Into Darkness,

798
00:58:53.039 --> 00:59:00.039
then you're gonna hate Beyond. But
to have him come back give us a

799
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.519
a cling on bass story. He
teased it a little bit and Into Darkness

800
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:07.559
and I thought that was one of
the coolest parts of the film, and

801
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:12.079
close the film off with a great
send off, you know, and it's

802
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:15.360
okay that time's gone by? How
long was it? I felt like it

803
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:19.639
was a long time between when we
got that Star Trek five, the Final

804
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:23.119
Frontier and then when we got Undiscovered
Country and I was like, Okay,

805
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:28.440
that's a good send off. So
something in that kind of vein and that

806
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:32.559
was a cling on based episode or
a film, and I think he should

807
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:37.679
do something in that kind of vein
of Undiscovered Country, but a cling on

808
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:43.119
thing where really ends it with that
cast and crew. Okay, uh,

809
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:47.360
Dave, are you keeping Abrams busy
with franchise blockbusters or do you want him

810
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:54.079
to try something different like Super eight? So just brand keeps reading my notes,

811
00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:58.719
don't. I don't want to Star
Trek four. I actually want JJ

812
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:04.039
Abrams to dive into a Star Trek
TV series. I want to see him

813
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:06.760
even if it's on Paramount Plus.
That's fine. I know Star Trek is

814
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:10.599
getting huge again on TV on streaming. I want to see a TV series

815
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:17.440
written and maybe one or two episodes
directed by J. J Abrams. Okay,

816
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:23.039
interest, well I think too is
that you know, even what I've

817
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:27.519
said the negative things about the film, this is a director that's a good

818
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:32.079
director, but he takes too long
to do films in between, you know.

819
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:35.679
I mean, he's a good director
and we have to wait a long

820
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:38.760
time for him to he said there's
a lot of writing producing stuff that he's

821
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:43.840
got coming up. Did any of
those say director, because I want to,

822
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:46.480
So, yes, Star Trek close
it out, and then I would

823
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:52.320
love for him to do outside franchise
stuff. And I think there's more to

824
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:57.760
explore once he gets done out of
that shuffle of the franchise world. I

825
01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:02.159
would like to see what he does
with just basic straight drama or a comedy

826
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:06.280
or a straight up action film.
You know. So I would love to

827
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:10.800
see something like that. You two
have been trading blows the entire episode,

828
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:15.639
and I'm happy to see that you
agree. We're closing it out with an

829
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:20.960
agreement. You both, You just
both you both want to see Abrams get

830
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.119
his check back on. So I
took it. I took it light.

831
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:28.840
There's a lot of inconsistencies about Super
eight that I did not say. You

832
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:32.840
just keep that to yourself, all
right, So listen Super eight. If

833
01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:38.920
you do not own the excellent two
disc Blu Ray edition that is noted with

834
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:44.039
awesome stuff, including a very fun
audio commentary by J. J. Abrams,

835
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:47.840
it is available. It is streaming
on Prime, Pluto TV, and

836
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:52.480
the Roku channel. Brad starting with
you, where did you see it,

837
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:58.199
and I think I might know the
answer. But do you recommend seeing it?

838
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:01.760
It was on Prime. I'm sorry, I don't recommend seeing it.

839
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:09.280
I think what this film did was
boost a phenomenon called Stranger Things that I

840
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:16.960
feel made more entertaining homage to that
Spielberg, you know stuff of the eighties.

841
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:22.559
I felt that that did it better. But yeah, I don't recommend

842
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:28.440
the film. Dave, where did
you see it? And what is clearly

843
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:35.119
going to be your opposite response to
the recommendation question. I clearly own the

844
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:38.280
Two Days Blu Ray Edition, and
I love every second of it, and

845
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:43.639
then watch it once a year,
and I highly recommend seeing this movie,

846
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:49.760
going and buying this movie and having
it in your library. Well breaking the

847
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:53.280
tie. I too own the Two
Days Special Edition. Love it, love

848
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:57.320
the film, love it for the
nostalgia, love it for the action,

849
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.480
love it for the mystery, love
it for the performances. Um. So

850
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:07.840
yeah. If if you find yourself
often siding with UH, with with my

851
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:12.079
viewpoints, uh, check it out
or Dave's viewpoints, check it out.

852
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:15.920
If you if you find yourself often
siding with Brad, maybe this one.

853
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:22.199
Maybe you want to skip it,
but you see where the vote lies.

854
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:28.960
Um okay for speaking of things that
you shouldn't skip? What else do we

855
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:34.280
got coming up here with um film
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856
01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:40.239
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857
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:45.119
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858
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:52.599
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859
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:59.679
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That's patreon dot com backslash a film
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861
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:13.559
out? And coming up this Friday, we welcome a special guest to the

862
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:20.800
show. Filmmaker Stempson Snead will join
us to discuss his award winning shorts and

863
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:28.920
his new feature length directorial debut,
Tim Travers and The Time Traveler's Paradox,

864
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:35.119
starring Danny Trio, Keith David,
Joel McHale, Felicia Day, and Samuel

865
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:40.760
Dunning. You definitely don't want to
miss that one. But over at a

866
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.960
film at forty five, Dave,
what do you guys got coming up?

867
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:47.679
Well, you know it's sad we're
getting close to the end of our run

868
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:51.360
of it and I hate to see
it go. But coming up next for

869
01:04:51.480 --> 01:05:00.320
us is we actually have Docking Base
seventy seven's host Dayton Johnson joining us for

870
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:06.519
none other than National Lampoons Animal.
Oh A good time, Lord, nothing,

871
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:12.920
it's forty five years old and it
still holds up. And you guys

872
01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.119
will be wearing your togas during the
recording. That's right, yep, Yeah,

873
01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:18.320
I'm gonna go ahead. And I
don't know if it's a it's a

874
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:20.519
bit good thing or a bad thing, but we might we might need to

875
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:24.599
go video on that one. Just
make sure make sure that one brings the

876
01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:29.159
toga you know. That's right?
All right. I think that'll about do

877
01:05:29.199 --> 01:06:03.599
it for us until next time.
This has been a Charles Castic production.

878
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:14.599
Brad's looking confused. I don't get
it. Literally, you didn't watch the

879
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.559
film, did you? Super eight? Oh Charles? Okay? Yeah,

880
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:21.519
okay, okay, I forgot his
last name. Yeah,