John McTiernan - Last Action Hero with Special Guest Andy Frye

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With enough coffee, anything is possible. And now let's talk about a

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film by John McTiernan, his criminally
underrated nineteen ninety three action comedy Last Action

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Hero. Hello everybody, and welcome
back to a Film By podcast. I

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am Jeff Johnson. I am Brad. Brad. Why am I wasting my

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time co hosting this podcast when I
could be doing something more dangerous like organizing

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my sock dua. We're talking about
the thirtieth anniversary of Last Action Hero.

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You said you wanted an expert with
us on this one. I could think

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of no one better than to call
up author of ninety Days in the nineties,

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Andy Fry. Andy, Welcome to
the show. Yeah, I was

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going guys. Thanks for having me
on a Yeah, it is an honor.

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We actually we heard first first time
we heard about the book, first

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time we heard about you was on
our it was all the shirt that you

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Can't Be Serious podcast. You were
talking with our good friends Jason and d

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I gotta be honest. I maybe
was ten minutes into that interview. I

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had already been on Amazon and ordered
the book, and then you know,

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ten minutes later, You're like,
hey, order it for my website.

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I'll autograph it and I'll send it
to you. And I was like,

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shit, well, Jeff Atlos has
a new new ridiculous cowboy. Yeah,

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thanks to you. So yeah,
absolutely. I mean it's it's it's cold

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like Amazon is, uh, everybody's
connected to it. We all got to

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buy Q tips and Z bars and
I don't know gaskets for our car.

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But it was like, um,
I do try to tell people though that

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like, if if it's your thing, support support a local bookstore because like

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we want them to be around.
And I've had a couple in Chicago asked

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me to come by and and you
know, it's kind of like as a

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music fan, I try to make
sure well best Buy and like circuit cities

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and around anymore. Best Buy doesn't
sell anything other than K pop and I

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suppose, Uh, I don't already
on a GRANDI. So like I have

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to go to like the local Leon
and record store. Its buy you know,

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if I was gonna buy a Bi
Vinyl or He's or whatever. Um,

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you know. So I try to
take the same thing with the bookstore.

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So if you buy a buy it
for one of your aging gen X

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friends for a Father's Day gift,
just buy it from a local local bookstore

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next time, I suppose, And
I'll do it now. And he can

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you give us a little bit of
background because before this, before this,

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and and currently you know you are
an incredible journalist. You've written for Rolling

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Stone, You've written for ESPN,
h Forbes. Uh, you have talked

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some incredible people, Brad, he's
actually been on the phone with one of

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our hometown heroes. Uh, since
I read uh legend Johnny Bench but oh

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yeah Andy, uh Andy Adye Like
who's who's on your your mount rosmore as

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far as people that you've you've had
the opportunity to speak with, well,

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I mean there's party. Let me
update it by also there's another hometown hero

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of yours and don't you follow uh
the five time World Cup champion women's US

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soccer team I just hung out with. I got to go to Seattle,

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was going to see my friend actually, and yeah, I got to hang

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up with Rose Lavelle for a couple
of days or like a day and try

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to keep up with her with one
of her workouts. And we talked about

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Skyline, chili and Cincinnati and all
that fun stuff. So yes, just

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how fun to talk to. Johnny
Bench mostly talked to me about growing out

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and gave me some tips that wouldn't
give me his secret recipe, of course.

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But there's been all kinds of different
people I've talked to you who are

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great. I mean, some are
people that you've heard of obviously, like

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like Tom Brady and Jerome Bettis,
and I've talked to Megan Rapino twice.

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I've talked to Lindsay Von a couple
of times. Then there's some, you

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know, some athletes like I just
last week spoke with Alona mar who is

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if you find out anything about the
women's rugby team, the national team,

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she's the one that you don't want
to get tackled by. Like she's just

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a bruiser. She's a center.
It's about five to ten, you know,

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like just a really sharp person and
she was great to talk to and

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I just did my most recent article
on her just because I thought she's a

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captaining person. Not really like that
educated about rugby, but like another example,

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I talked to a guy during the
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between the Olympics and the Paralympics in
Tokyo, so it must have been summer

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twenty twenty one. Talked to a
blind sprinter named David Brown. I didn't

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really know what to make of a
blind sprinter I research the sport. Long

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story short, they run with a
like a sprinting partner who is attached by

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a tether to kind of keep them
going straight, obviously because he's blind,

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And I didn't know what to ask
him what he'd be like. And he

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was just like, yeah, man, I'm out there to dominate what I'm

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going to Tokyo to win some gold
medals like he was not. There was

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no shred of a liam blind and
it's tough being a runner like he was.

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He was ready to kick some ass
and take some names. And that

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was great to see and talk to
him just like it was you know,

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I'd never heard of the guy,
but I was like, wow, man

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that that guy's got some broado,
like some Jordan level bravado there. So

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you know, on the music side
of things, I've talked to, um,

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you know, a couple of my
favorite musician. I got to do

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an email exchange through an agent with
Morrissey, you know, d Morrissey,

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and that was kind of because I
thought it was gonna get blown off and

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he didn't answer any of my questions. So the ESPN article was about that

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pretty much. Uh you know,
talk to Noel Gallagher from Oasis and Billy

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from Spash from Pumpkins a couple of
times, and probably one of the best

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ones was when I was with Rolling
Stone, I got to interview uh Jerry

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Kntrell Malison Change and we talked about
Fantasy at All and how much he loves

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you know, like he went on
and on about I think I asked him

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about early influences and he he had
just come off like a two day sitting

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of listening to nothing but Physical Graffiti
and he talked about that he dropped the

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f bottom probably thirty times, just
how great the album is in his opinion,

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and uh, you know, he
was like he was, you know,

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he's kind of like for rockeries.
He's kind of a little tightly wound,

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kind of like Axel and Billy from
Spashing Pumpkins would be. But I

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mean like great conversation. So I've
been lucky to be able to how to

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start with, you know, like
extreme sports athletes and minor league is in,

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local athletes in Chicago, is covering
Catholic football for ESPN Chicago when they

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had a blog on it, and
kind of gradually work my way up to

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like these legendary athletes. So and
I mean I'll talk to I can't write

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an article on everything, but I'll
talk to anybody generally. And I think

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some of the most captivating people talk
to are ones that you know, maybe

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aren't an NBA champion, a World
Series picture, but they're they're going to

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talk to too. So I mean
Mount Rushmore isn't large enough. I there's

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so many great people I've talked to
that I could, you know, spend

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two hours talking about like the thirty
five people who have been the most impressive

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and fun to talk to. So
I'll just say I've been fortunate and it's

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been great block of all kinds of
people from all walks of life, in

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both sports and music. So with
ninety days in the nineties, a rock

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and roll time travel story. But
what's the origin there? How did how

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did how did this? How did
this book come about? Well? I

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think everybody, I think people who
even are not writers have we all have

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an idea for a book or maybe
even a book that would make a movie.

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We all have all had interesting fun
things happen in our lives that make

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us think like that'd be a great
story to tell if I could tell the

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story. So as a writer,
you feel like at some point you failed

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if you've not tried to write a
book. And about about six years ago

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now, I was on just like
a short vacation and was listening to the

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nineties playlists, and I had this
thought that I know that I've had a

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bunch of times, and I think
it was the basis of some jokes with

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my best friend and who's also a
writer, about like, hey, we

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should time travel someday to like go
see Hendricks's last concert in Isla White or

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wouldn't be great to see you know, I don't know the sex Pistols before

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they basically melted down. You know, all these bands that I want to

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see, all these events, I
either I went to a concert, I

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want to see it again, or
I didn't go, or I couldn't get

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tickets or whatever. That was pretty
much it, like I think, and

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kind of stapled to that. Yeah, I think we're kind of in you

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guys, in me or sort of
in the same ballpark age wise, Like

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we grew up with Back to the
Future, we grew up with Bill and

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Ted's excellent adventure. But also the
time travel books and movies, there's always

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some big thing that like they've got
to solve or they've got to prevent the

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world of ending by having this subplot
in the movie. And I always thought,

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like, yeah, if you if
we could really time travel, we

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would probably just go back to a
kick ass weekend in our life to really

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re live something or experience something,
or maybe go back to a diner that

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we miss or to visit a friend
that passed away. And it wouldn't we

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about, like not everybody who time
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the world. So that was kind
of a mix of things. And I

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think I just got excited that one
day back in June of I think twenty

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seventeen, and I was in April
twenty seventeen, and I decided that if

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I like this idea in two weeks, three weeks and I'm still excited about

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it, I'm gonna try to write
a book. And June one rolled around

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and I said to myself, Okay, I'm gonna I don't know how to

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write a book, but I'm gonna
try to do this. Probably what informs

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a lot of it is nineties movies
and the fact that I grew up as

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part of the generation that, yeah, we read books too, but we

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also were really our kind of mental
landscape was painted by TV shows and movies.

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Everything from you know what you're talking
about? Willis on Different Strokes to

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some of the great movies of the
nineties like Pulp Fiction and Days Confused,

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who were that were very pop culture
heavy and have their own catchphrases too.

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So it was a lot of things
that I'm just kind of I'm always a

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fan first of movies and sports and
music, and I've gotten to write about

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a lot of that stuff, but
I kind of wanted to bring it all

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in from a gen X perspective,
and it took me about five years,

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but uh, yeah, that's that's
how this book ended up being what it

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was so one thing that that I
was. I was really looking forward to

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talking with you about um, your
protagonist Darby. You know they always say

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writers, you know that you write
what you know. But this is a

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situation, and correct me if I'm
wrong. My understanding is you know,

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this was initially written in the first
person and then it changed to third person.

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Is that correct? Yeah? And
and Darby was originally like a straight

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white dude is about my age?
Okay, I mean there's a lot of

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reasons for it. I did to
kind of have an epiphany probably in the

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follow twenty twenty. I had written
maybe like three or four drafts already,

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and I thought, like, I
just I was walking my dog one night

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and I was kind of grumbling about
agents, literally agents saying yeah, send

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me fifty pages, no thanks,
send me a synopsis, no thanks.

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And I thought, well, you
know, maybe my perspective isn't isn't what

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you know, the literally world wants
or anyway, long story short, I

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thought, like, after a couple
years of Trump, and after me too,

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and after George Floyd and all this
stuff that happened in the world,

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I thought, maybe the last thing
that people want to read about is in

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the middle aged whitey. I want
to go back to the past. And

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I thought about, like the main
themes that were interesting to me was music

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a gen X perspective, And I
thought, well, I athletes that write

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about I mean, really are these
great female athletes. I mean Making Rappino

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and Billy Jean King and Jenny Finch
and you know, there's dozens more that

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are just as great athletes as the
Johnny Benches and the Tom Braiser a little

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but I've got to interview, So
I thought, why don't I try it

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from you know, I'm not trying
going to try to be a woman.

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I'm not gonna. I'm probably gonna
I thought to myself, like, when

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I'm done with this, if it
works, I'm gonna probably have some of

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my women friends who are avid readers
tell me like that I missed the mark

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here, what do you think?
And yeah, So I just kind of

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rolled with it, like she was
the same person that I designed from the

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beginning, and I think it kind
of gave a little bit more labored the

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character and made some of the situations
with the relationships kind of like I don't

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know, just from my perspective,
more interesting. So yeah, there's a

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lot of change up between the start
and the finish, but I think the

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character is a lot more interesting.
And I think I thought what you were

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going to ask me was, well, when writers put out their first book,

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it's always kind of about them,
and if I'm in this book,

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it's probably slightly unreliable, sarcastic,
very overly opinionated narrator who has something to

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say about music, whether it's Depeche
Motor, Sleen Dion, or you know,

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the narrator kind of forgets the names
of some of the bozos that Darby

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dated back in the past, but
you know is on board with like her

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music venture. That's I guess where
I fitted this. So yeah, there's

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a lot of changes. I did
hire an editor, so that was out

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of my own pocket. I just
paid for an editor to guide me along.

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So I took a lot of suggestions
there. I'm not gonna bore you

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with the writers nick knacks with that, but it was a learning process for

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me and that's probably why the character. One of the reasons the character has

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changed and how it ended up becoming
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of the end of the story.
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with you. I mean I would
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Darby as this this just this kick
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with her, you know you want
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that I you know, you know, as anytime I read a book,

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I always trying to cast the movie
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characters I'm like, I know who
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just couldn't any any like, did
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you were writing Darby? I mean
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more than change pronouns and be like, well, what does she really like?

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I actually like printed out a couple
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short hair, Christen Stewart was short
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like um music and sports idols of
mine that are female, and just like

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June Jett like posts it up like
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my laptop and just proceeded from there. And I think, I kind of

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maybe a little bit less anxious.
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other characters, like who would play
who would play U when she, you

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know, she meets the redhead that
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about Rachel. Yeah, Rachel's a
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kind of tests Darby's music snoppery and
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how how important is music really in
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gotta be Jessica Chastaim, like a
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jacket, you know, but doesn't
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for us. But I don't know. I mean, as far as Derby

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you have any suggestions, it'd be
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have to go that round if you
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something I was thinking about. But
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you know it because it is a
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the things that she's talking about.
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of high school. And I was
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like I jumped on the gray line
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everything that was that was happening in
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and and I'm I'm reliving it,
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if that was the if that was
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you hit a home run there,
because I have been living, you

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know, second rate through, just
been living through nineteen ninety six, past

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couple of weeks. One thing,
as I say, since we're talking about

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move, we're gonna be talking about
we Let me give a little little credit.

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There were three nineties movies that really
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I was thinking about them. They're
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back of my head the whole time. So it's pulp fiction, Friday,

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and Days Days Confused. The reason
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movies take place in the span of
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Maybe it's a very nineties thing to
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My book doesn't take place in the
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of those movies, you were hanging
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own a gone. I've never been
on a stakeout with gangsters, but I

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felt like I was hanging out with
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fiction. Um, I've probably I've
never been to Watts, but I could

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hang out with with Smokey and Craig, you know, and that that was

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really what m Friday was all about. So I mean, I have to

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kind of throw some credit to the
film landscape of the nineties because I probably

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stopped watching TV at that time.
I just was too busy with college and

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chasing girls and you want to see
bands. But movies always stuck out,

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and you know, I think I
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film perspective, So you know,
I have to give them some credit.

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So, Brad, let's talk about
one of the one of the nineties movies

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that we're here for today, Arnold
Schwartzenegger's Last Action Hero, directed by John

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McTiernan. Brad, there are there
are people that maybe have not seen this

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one. It was not a critical
success. What can you tell us about

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Last Action Here? What's for those
who not seen it? Brad? Give

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us give us the synopsis. Well, the easiest synopsis is when when young

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Danny Matt again is given a magic
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into the world of nineties action movies
with his hero Arnold Schwarzenegger. Danny and

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Arrow are about to discover that this
magic ticket is a revolving door that will

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collide the movie world with our world. It looks like a typical nineties action

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cop and kid movie is much much
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it did not do good. People
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came Well, well, there was
another movie in nineteen ninety three that came

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out around that time with dinosaurs in
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that, but it happened to kill
everything at the box office for that couple

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months. Yeah, I think what
was it? Jurassic Park came out a

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week after this one. Yeah,
Andy, do you remember the first time

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you saw Last Action Hero. I'm
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film, I don't see it when
it comes right out I do. The

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thing is like one or anything.
I do remember the commercials Last Action Hero

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because they were they were a little
campy. They're a little like hung and

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cheek. And here's Arnold Schwartzeninger being
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movie, and it's you know,
I think, um, little blondhaired kids

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with kind of a Disney haircut,
that's were grown up bolt cut. I

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guess McCauley culkin in Holdon was the
exception. Like every other every kid in

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Hollywood who was in a movie look
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whether it's like Taylor Thomas or the
kid who ended up Hailey. Joel

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Osman a couple of years later than
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and all that stuff. So it
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but I remember that. I just
I think I remember seeing the ads TV

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ads on MTV, so I feel
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of like you know who, we
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young twenty somethings at the time,
and they tried to hook us on

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like, well, you've already seen
movies like this, this is like the

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same thing on steroids and you're gonna
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that was a good message or not, but I do remember the commercials and

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the logo for like the Last Action
Hero. It looked like an Indiana Jones

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logo sort of stuck out, and
that I remember that more than the movie.

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I didn't even I think I saw
it on video. I didn't remember

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too much about seeing it. So
that's a kind of strange dichotomy and mine

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trip, you know, very appropriate
to nineties. I suppose what's funny you

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mentioned mcaulay culkin because he was I
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of Danny. He's got committs on. I think it was the good Son.

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And so they find this guy Austin
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had that quintessential bulk cut that every
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A different movie with mcaulay culkin,
Brad, but are too young?

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Too young? I think with this
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about, the MTV stuff, it's
it's weird because it it hurt them movie,

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but it also was playing on what
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was the ACDC video, you know, with that you saw Arnold in it.

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I mean they were pushing that right
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run of hits at this point.
So this movie is kind of an end

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of a certain kind of movie that
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So there's a lot of things in
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very smart, way ahead of its
time. But I think that the only

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thing that really kind of hurts the
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I don't know if it's the lines
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very dynamic, you know, even
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I think a better kid would have
helped. Um. But I think that's

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one of the things that kind of
hurts the movie. Um. But this

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movie has gotten a lot of kind
of rebirth after seeing what it did.

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Um. And So I mean it's
a very clever movie. I didn't understand

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the jokes in nineteen ninety three a
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sort of got some of it,
But like I said, the more and

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more. Watch it, you're like, yeah, there, And there's a

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lot of movie talk in this movie. And with the exception of when Scream

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came out Dawson's Creek, all that
Kevin Williamson stuff, people weren't speaking in

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movie terms. They do a lot
more casually. Now you know, your

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everyday person can understand some movie lingo
night three, not everybody did, so

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it just man, it missed that
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like, it kind of reminds me
in a strange way if you're Kevin

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Smith fan of Jane tile Bob strike
Back, like in this sort of roundabout

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thing where they're going through and maybe
it's just because the kids the tickets to

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go through all these movies in the
movie, but it kind of feels like,

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again, that's kind of Hollywood camping
this thing, Like you people out

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there, you know what Hollywood's like, Well, we're gonna take you behind

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the scenes. I don't know if
it really works for the Last Actions hero

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Jaane, Silent Bob seems like a movie

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that Kevin Smith wanted to do and
a throwaway movie with just everybody. All

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his friends were in it, and
and and in the same way. Like,

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Okay, so like Tina turns in
this movie, um, just going

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down on the cast like Anthony Quinn
and f Murray Abraham and so the cut,

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I feel like the same thing is
happening here. But like to your

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point, yeah, the kid in
the movie, the other star of the

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movie, I don't want to see
he sucked. But it was like that

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was it didn't just didn't hit us
in the face, like I pick that

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guy out in the police lineup,
even if he was the same age,

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because I don't what was he in
anything after that. Obviously he didn't really

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stand out to the audience and started
to interrupt you guys. But that's just

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like it stands to me. I
didn't even think about that until you said

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it. But yeah, that's maybe
it didn't kill the movie on its own,

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but didn't help. Yeah he uh, O'Brien. I know he did

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the lawnmower Man, and I think
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you know, he's our narrator through
the film to guide us through what is

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going on, tell us what's going
on. So we needed somebody with a

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better. I think understanding of the
terms, maybe a little bit more or

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just like I said, someone just
more screen popping and able to be a

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little bit funnier. Yeah. Yeah, so like I like I said,

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we you know Arnold once mccaulkin,
he's busy on uh on the good Son

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Elijah Wood wanted the role. They
said he from the get go. They

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said he's way too young. So
we get we get Austin and Brian,

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Now, Brad, you talked about
it like he was he's on a

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he's on a hell of a run
here, you know, through the eighties

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and you know, right in one
in the nineties, like he's hot off

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of Terminator two, Judgment Day.
I think, you know again, like

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where do you go after Judgment Day? Uh? You know, it only

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goes so high before. Yeah,
so I and you know, he made

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a good point. This is kind
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hero though, the muscle bound,
invincible one guy versus an army type of

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eighties you know, hero trope.
Uh. And I thought I thought,

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I thought it was brilliant that he's
like, you know, what now,

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let's let's period it a little bit, let's have some fun with it,

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and kind of call to question all
these ridiculous things you've seen, you know,

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whether it's you know, the the
over the top bad guy who has

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this ridiculous plan or you or the
it's the police captain who is always threatening

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to take your badge and you know, screaming at right Like this movie has

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it all. Yeah. It took
every cliche that we had seen for about

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seven to eight years and pointed fun
at them while they were kind of still

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going. And with this movie,
they were pointing fun at themselves, Arnold

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pointing fun at him. But it
was too early, because you know,

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Terminator two was just two years away. He's still we weren't ready to laugh

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at Arnold what we loved. We
weren't ready to take that. When did

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Jingle All the Way come out?
Though? A couple of years A couple

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of years later, I want to
say, nineties, maybe ninety six,

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and yeah, like in that rain
after Yeah, I guess, okay,

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so that funny Arnold yet or okay, yeah, good point. Well,

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I mean to defend Arnold's comedy,
I would say we did have a little

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bit of comedy, because Twins is
nineteen eighty eight. No, no,

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it wasn't the comedy aspect of it. It was saying, we're gonna poke

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fun at almost a lot of the
stuff that you've seen very recently still and

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tell you how ridiculous it is.
We weren't ready to laugh at it.

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Maybe if it would have waited ten
years later, you know, you get,

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can get. You know, look
at what Edgar Wright did with like

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Hot Fuzz. You know, he
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So it needed time to linger because
the action movie was shifting. Arnold

406
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:56.400
Sylvester, Jean Claude, they were
going down weird actors like Nicolas Cage,

407
00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:03.359
you know, John Travolta. Know, these were your action stars. The

408
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.799
actor you know, it was do
a comedy movie or do a deep drama,

409
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.519
get an Oscar nomination for it,
and then the next summer you have

410
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:17.839
usually a Bruckheimer type of action film
for your thing, and that's where their

411
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:22.599
action movies were going. But this
one was basically telling you it's done.

412
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.240
This kind of movie is done.
So maybe they knew that it was shifting

413
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:30.200
and just wanted to kind of jump, you know, ahead, of the

414
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:36.640
game. We've got a pretty eclectic
cast of villains in this, uh Andy.

415
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:41.480
You've got f Murray Abraham playing FBI
agent turned a bad guy John Practice.

416
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:52.920
You've got Anthony Quinn as You're just
ludicrous crime lord Mafioso Vivaldi. And

417
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:59.240
then the brilliant Charles Dance, who
plays like the the the Hitman slash number

418
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:03.039
two been at Andy, Anie,
Who's your favorite out of this Charles Dance,

419
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.200
Like, the only other thing that
I know that I've seen him in

420
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:11.039
is is The Golden Child, which
was maybe a very similar like throwaway movie

421
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:12.960
from Eddie Murphy. Like I watched
that movie and there's a lot of quotables

422
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.839
in it, and it was kind
of, you know, it's kind of

423
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.519
stupid. It's just Eddie Murphy being
Eddie Murphy for two hours, and so

424
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:23.960
he plays like the humorless um,
you know, the guy who basically steals

425
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:30.039
the young Dolly Llama and then the
rest of the movie Eddie Murphy just joking

426
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.240
around that you're making fun of him, making fun of his name and all

427
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:34.799
that. So it was weird to
kind of see him sort of flip that

428
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.400
role and be like a ridiculously not
he can't take this guy seriously, but

429
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:42.920
he's dangerous type of villain, which
I guess was appropriate for this movie.

430
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.759
Um, I guess the other ones, you know, like I think when

431
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.200
you know, like you're saying,
he's kind of a stock version of a

432
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:52.440
character that we've seen a bunch of
times, and he played it well,

433
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:53.880
I don't know, I don't think
that's I mean, let's just go back,

434
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.839
well, I don't we just don't
we just blame Jurassic Park for all

435
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:03.440
the all the I didn't get because
there really wasn't like anything terrible about it.

436
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.000
I guess maybe the critics can say
it was very formula late, but

437
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.400
that was the whole purpose of it, So maybe bad timing, you know.

438
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.799
I a couple of years ago,
I saw Big Bad Voodoo Daddy play

439
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.319
a live show in Chicago, and
like the first thing that they said was

440
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.000
when they played their opening songs,
they talked to the audits to like,

441
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.279
you know, we our career was
going great. Our new albums coming out

442
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.519
just came out like literally the same
week as never Mind, you know,

443
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:32.319
the great Nirvana album. So you
know, we thought that swing dance was

444
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:34.799
gonna be the next thing, and
there wasn't because it was you know,

445
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:38.599
Seattle Ground, so that happens in
life. Sometimes started to get off the

446
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:44.240
track there, but no ninety slashback
coming out of my mouth. But yeah,

447
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:45.559
I think Charles Dance. I didn't
know his name before I looked it

448
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.200
up after, you know, seeing
this movie again and he's I don't know,

449
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:55.519
he just works perfectly for the themes
in this movie that really were what

450
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:59.119
the movie was about. I think, Yeah, it's like you see the

451
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.839
people that are playing these kind of
villains or these parts in this movie,

452
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.039
and you're like, yeah, that
guy would fit, you know, And

453
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.720
like he said, they had kind
of all played p you know, Anthony

454
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.559
Quinn did uh, you know,
one of our episodes Revenge, and then

455
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:18.960
he did Charles Dance did one of
our episodes Golden Child. But an audience

456
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:25.559
had seen these guys kind of play
this, so it was of course were

457
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:30.759
the formula would be to cast someone
that you already know. We're not taking

458
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:36.079
this, we're not trying to be
different at all. We're being so formula.

459
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:40.559
You know, the cameos, the
big names, the beautiful girls,

460
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:48.079
like they went all the way with
this kind of inside joke. Yeah,

461
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.440
I liked. The one villain we
didn't talk about, all right, I

462
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:56.480
didn't mention was the ripper himself,
tom Noonan, Yeah, who I feel

463
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.440
kind of like, is you know
that he's channeling the tooth Fairy from Yah

464
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:04.039
Hunter another film by episode. Yeah, love love love tom Noonon in this

465
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.319
too, because his character, like
he he feels pain, like but it's

466
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.599
like that emotional pain. You know. He's he's telling Jack on the on

467
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:14.720
the roof before he you know,
takes his kid out. You know,

468
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:16.599
Andy, you were you were kind
of mentioned in some of the major cameos

469
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.119
on this. We would be here
for a couple hours just talking about all

470
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:23.440
the cameos. Um. But a
favorite cameo you got in this one,

471
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:29.680
Andy, Well, so I'm not
seeing the cast was the guy who when

472
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:31.359
Schwarzenegger goes up and he knocks on
the door he asked for like the the

473
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.319
drug dealer of the house. Was
the guy who answered the door that that

474
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:40.480
wasn't odd job from from It's It's
It's not a odd job. That's you're

475
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:45.799
talking about Toro Tanaka Yea who he
played sub Zero and the Running Man.

476
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:51.880
That's yeas Yeah, and uh he
answered another famous door pee Peee's Big Adventure.

477
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:59.960
He was the Buckston's uh guy for
instances busy. He's okay, yeah,

478
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:01.039
no, you got to knock on
that. That's a good that's a

479
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:06.359
good call because uh definitely like him
Martins two doesn't. She is like a

480
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.160
store clerk or something. Uh.
Yeah, she's in the video store where

481
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.440
the Danny's like, hey, these
these women are way too hot to work

482
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.599
in a video store. And you
know he has like the he has the

483
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.839
one. He's like, what what's
the store's phone number? You know,

484
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.759
five five five? You know what's
your phone number? You know, five

485
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:23.839
five five? He's like, yeah, see, like when he's trying to

486
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:27.039
do the whole Yeah, we're in
a movie because everyone's got a five five

487
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:31.680
five number. I think my favorite
cameo is stallone as the terminator. The

488
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:37.640
just the my favorite cameo. I'm
gonna go, uh, I think for

489
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.200
me because I completely I mean,
I love the movie. I've seen it

490
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:44.200
a bunch of times, and I
guess I never paid attention. But when

491
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:50.400
uh, when Charles Dance is like
jumping through movies and uh and we get

492
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.799
death from the from the Old,
the Old, the black and white movie.

493
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:58.519
They're watching I had yeah, yeah, seven steal. I had no

494
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.240
idea that's that's sir Ian mc kellen. I wasn't paying attention so that that

495
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:06.119
that's gonna get my favorite cameo right
there. He wasn't super famous back then.

496
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.719
I mean he really became famous during
that. I mean I try to

497
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:13.880
think of things in perspective, like
someone could get excited about that. Samuel

498
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:15.719
L. Jackson was in Drassic Park, but he was I mean in tell

499
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:20.559
pull fiction he was kind of just
character actor. How he's a national treasure.

500
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.639
But um, keeping perspective, I
don't remember thinking like, oh,

501
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:28.760
that's Keyan McKellen. He was great
years later. And Richard the Third I

502
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:30.599
don't I don't know. I mean, gays are moving whilst I'm not.

503
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.559
I just think of, you know, maybe a little bit backwards like that.

504
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.800
That. Yeah, he was a
great actor for that role and just

505
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:40.840
you know, but he wasn't really
you know, he wasn't sir Ian McKell

506
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.760
at the time, right, Yeah, he wasn't the sur yet. I

507
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:49.159
do I do that call out to
uh Danny DeVito playing Whiskers, the the

508
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:55.320
animated cat detective. He's's that's fantastic
because you know he has such a that

509
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.679
he's got that voice. He's like, anytime you hear Divito, you know

510
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.880
you're here, div Yeah, Yeah, absolutely love that one. Bred Let's

511
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:06.159
talk, uh, let's talk some
of them, you know, because you

512
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.440
know, sometimes like we we'd like
to talk about like a scene that was

513
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.159
the most impactful, like, you
know what, what this movie needed,

514
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.920
But this is this movie being what
it is, Like, let's just talk

515
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.079
about some of the fun stuff,
like what you got a favorite? You

516
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:21.320
got a favorite moment in this one? Bred? Um Yes, when they

517
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:29.119
um are um at the door um
questioning Benedict is hilarious. The lead up

518
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.840
to it, why they why they're
there, the whole lead up to you

519
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:36.320
know, the bad guys are in
there too. You know I'm the famous

520
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.559
comedian on a bron shraga too.
You know all of that leading up to

521
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:44.920
you know, the sock drawer,
all that stuff. It's great. That's

522
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:51.360
one of the best best scenes.
I think that Schwartzinger's most comedic in this

523
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:53.159
film. How about you, Andy, you got something that sticks out?

524
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:57.000
Well, I was gonna say the
same scene. I guess that's why.

525
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.320
I mean, I didn't really feel
like that impactful. The scene It's kind

526
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.639
of a funny moment where it sort
of sums up the whole attitude of the

527
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.480
film that Schwartzeneger's knocking on your door
being complete smart as well, trying to

528
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:13.239
call you out. And yeah he's
too weirdos show up to the door.

529
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.239
And I guess it kept if it
kept with keeping the rest of the movie,

530
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.320
that he would have blown up the
house right there. But I don't

531
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.719
know. I mean, little comedic
moments and kind of blueing clue in audiences

532
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:28.920
and you know, just kind of
provide you know, a breath of fresh

533
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:34.519
air in between explosions and you know, people getting shot and burned alive or

534
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:36.920
whatever, you know. But yeah, I don't know why. I just

535
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:38.719
that that one just kind of sticks
out. Yeah. I remember the first

536
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:42.880
time I saw this in the theater, right when they hit the police station

537
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.079
and Sharon Stone comes walking out as
Katherine Schamel from Basic Instinct, and then

538
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:51.840
Robert Patrick has the two one thousand
comes walking out looking on tense. I

539
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:53.039
flipped. I was like, oh
my god, this, you know,

540
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:58.159
this movie is like going fourth wall, like we're nothing's off the table,

541
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:02.519
like anyone could pop up in this
which uh, which which do you know

542
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.800
the premiere later? I mean everyone
goshaps up in this movie. Yeah,

543
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:13.280
everyone's in this one. I'll tell
you. One thing that surprised me based

544
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.840
off of off the soundtrack is like
none of the we didn't get any like

545
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.599
bands like at the premiere. We
didn't get bands in the movie, which

546
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.280
I thought you could have done,
Which leads me to the next thing I

547
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:29.800
want to talk about is this soundtrack. So, uh, going back to

548
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.559
uh Andy's book ninety Days in the
nineties. So, uh, you know,

549
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:37.119
Andy, you referenced the Rachel character, who is this metal chick?

550
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.840
I love, there's a there's a
great moment in the book, and Brad,

551
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:44.559
I'm, you know, not trying
to spoil alert, but uh,

552
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.719
Rachel was like an endearing gift.
And this is something I know for a

553
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.599
fact I did several times. Brad, I know you did. And Andy,

554
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.639
Andy, I had to leave you
did this? Uh the the very

555
00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:01.760
special gift of the mixtape, Rachel
gives Darby Metal Mix ninety six, which

556
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.760
which ironically doesn't really as Darby points
out, ironically doesn't really have any ninety

557
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:13.599
six songs on it. But I
gotta ask, like, what, Andy,

558
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.960
what would what would what would Rachel
think of the Last Action Hero soundtrack?

559
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:22.760
Because you've got Alice and Chains,
Mega Death, Queen's Reich. Yeah,

560
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.760
Queen's Reich is that. So I've
never really been into Queen's Right,

561
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:31.639
but I've I've had musician friends both
of the metal flavor and my friend Bobby

562
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:36.440
Jorner, who is um from Mississippi, lived out in LA It was like

563
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.400
a studio musician all this stuff,
like he would like warm up to Queen's

564
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.000
Reich. That's that kind of band
that it is. Yeah, that's how

565
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:47.480
the Docking Bad guys are. They
love just like guitar people. Either you're

566
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.239
a folk person, you love Dylan
or you're hooked on Hendrix. Um,

567
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.239
I feel like it Queensdrek Like Queensdrick
had to be. If you're gonna pull

568
00:38:55.239 --> 00:39:00.400
an ac DC and def Leopard and
Anthrax Aerosmith, but you're also gonna pulling

569
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:06.599
like Fishbone and that. I guess
that Queen's Rich is kind of like the

570
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.480
people who would like Alison Chains and
Anthrax and the people who would like Deaf

571
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:15.599
Leppard and Megadeth and ACDC, Like
that's the commonality. I don't really like

572
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.880
Queen's Right, but for whatever reason, it's just like, yeah, So

573
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.000
Rachel would be really into the fact
that all those bands there, there's a

574
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.519
little bit of flair and a little
bit of hairspray with deaf Leppard, who

575
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:29.199
also had some great albums in the
early eighties, but by the time the

576
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:34.000
nineties who roll around, they're not
really particularly appreciated, and a CDC,

577
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.559
like we forget at the same time, like a CDC wasn't really cool in

578
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.840
nineteen ninety three. So you guys
from Cincinnati. I went to college in

579
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.320
Oxford, Ohio at Miami. I
remember very vividly walking out of my German

580
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.400
class going to the bathroom and on
the wall somebody had written a CDC rules,

581
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.800
and then under that somebody else had
written a Towny was here. Just

582
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:58.639
kind of understood that, yeah,
a CDC was not cool to like in

583
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.079
nineteen ninety three. So I'm the
prize that it's the first pick here.

584
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:06.320
But I guess also maybe for the
type of people that would buy the soundtrack,

585
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.840
and this soundtrack would platinum by the
way, that's what they want to

586
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:15.119
hear. So that was whoever designed
the soundtrack. I don't either, you

587
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:17.800
think the soundtracks are like, yeah, movie studio whatever, and just put

588
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:21.239
a soundtrack, just do whatever you're
gonna do. I don't you know,

589
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:25.320
the director doesn't care, or it's
painstakingly devised and developed and perfected. And

590
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:30.480
I think that's probably the scenario here. So, yeah, metal head like

591
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:37.039
Rachel in my book, or anybody
who's ever listened to you know who's metal

592
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.760
head, who's put through your phones
on blastted by themselves, or I think

593
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:44.960
that they would only appreciate this.
Now, Andy, you're just going off,

594
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:46.880
you know, just from reading the
book and uh, and definitely checking

595
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:52.039
out your your playlist on Spotify because
you've got these two you know, you

596
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:57.119
got ninety Days in the nineties and
ninety Days the ninety Days and nineties two

597
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:01.280
ninety more songs which which I've been
I've been, I've been listening to you.

598
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:04.639
Kind of you kind of speak to
me as like, you know,

599
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.760
the indie like you're you're more derby, Like it's like the am I writing

600
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.760
and saying that you're more in like
the indie rock, the punk that kind

601
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:15.360
of stuff. Maybe not so much
like the metal head like like the Rachel

602
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.159
character is. Yeah, definitely,
I mean just to kind of give you

603
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:21.239
my urgent story. Um, I
mean I played a guitar. I got

604
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.239
a guitar in eighth grade. It
was like the only cool thing about me.

605
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.400
I did learn led Zeppelin. I
was kind of obsessed with led Zeppa

606
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:29.880
for a while. And the thing
that like, I think I had a

607
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.800
I've told the story a couple times. I had a couple of friends my

608
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.360
freshman year and sophomore year who all
had an older brother sister who were in

609
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:42.000
college. So what was happening was
their mixtapes that they were getting from their

610
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.760
brothers and sisters at you know r
T or University of Delaware, University of

611
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:50.119
Maryland or Penn State would be you
know what we call college music alternative music.

612
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.039
And it was a friend of mine. I just I gave him a

613
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:55.039
tape and I was like, I
just bugged the hell out of him,

614
00:41:55.039 --> 00:42:00.239
Like, whatever your brother is listening
to, I want some of that making

615
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:01.639
a mixtape. Maybe a mixtape or
maybe you like just pick two albums.

616
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:06.559
So what he did was he picked
one side he taped me meet his Murder

617
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.119
by the Smiths. The other side
was Hoosker do Kndie Apple Gray. And

618
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:14.519
I've listened to that thing until the
tape basically buckled and fell apart. So

619
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.519
that's kind of my angle. I
get metal, and I appreciate the musicianship

620
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.480
side common I do love to go
to metal shows in very small clubs because

621
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:27.519
you can experience that musicianship. But
yeah, I'm I'm an indie alt rock

622
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.719
person through and through, and that's
that's my basis. So I really love

623
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.480
that there's Fishmone on this soundtrack,
and then there's Cypress Hill, and I

624
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.840
can kind of appreciate Anthrax, and
even though I'm not really a fan,

625
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:42.000
and the Death Leopard takes me back
to when I was a ninth grader,

626
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.719
you know, listening to Death Leopard
songs, I'm thinking about serenading some girl

627
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.800
or whatever. It wouldn't give me
the time of day. So it's all

628
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.239
here, really, I mean,
I have to. And then there's like,

629
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.000
okay, they didn't get Guns of
Rose on the soundtrack, but what

630
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:58.519
buckethead. There's like a cameo appearance
in the in the twelfth song here so

631
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.480
or put this thing together? Brad
Well life oh ahead was I'll say,

632
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.760
Brad you you are a metal head? So yes, uh, best track

633
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:13.760
on this album, you know,
in your in your expert opinion. Uh,

634
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:17.239
there's this is this is a tough
question. Okay, So I can't

635
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.679
pick dream on because let me point
first for point point out. With the

636
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:28.239
exception of I think like ac DC, I mean that was the drawing to

637
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.159
the soundtrack you had. Yeah,
they had come off at Razor's Edge,

638
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:37.519
which is kind of the comeback album. But a lot of these other bands

639
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.400
were big ACDC fans and I think
just wanted to be a part of this

640
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:45.199
this album. So some of these
tracks are just like B sides or you

641
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:50.599
know, throwaways. Um, like
the two Alison Chain songs. You hear

642
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.840
what the hell have? I think
like very beginning of film. But actually

643
00:43:54.880 --> 00:44:00.440
my favorite track on here is the
other track A Little Bitter by Alison Chains.

644
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:05.559
It starts off slow and it's it
kind of kicks in and unless you

645
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.159
had this soundtrack you had to buy
like I think the Alison Chain's box set.

646
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:14.639
And then things like def Leppards two
Steps Behind, which was basically a

647
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:21.719
leftover from Adrenalize and they had no
other album coming out, and I think

648
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.719
they later put it on like retroactive
and just kind of releases. This song

649
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:30.239
had a video, you know,
it had you know it went, you

650
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.840
know, very high, you know, the the Queens Reich song. He

651
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:36.920
said, I'm not a Queen's Rech
song, but this is one of the

652
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:40.760
better I think Queen's Rech songs.
I'm sure every Queen's Reich fan would argue

653
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.639
to even though with me to death, I actually really love the version of

654
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.039
dream On. I remember that from
the MTVS ten and it received a great

655
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.880
version of dream On. And you
know, big Gun is actually I think

656
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:59.119
kind of the weaker track. The
Tesla song not that great, but I

657
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.360
mean, yeah, you got some
cyper soil, but I like a little

658
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.280
bitter. I think it's a great
song. But yeah, I love this

659
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:12.400
soundtrack. Is it overblown? Yeah, but nineties soundtracks kind of did that,

660
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.199
you know, and I feel like
they got overblowned a little bit later

661
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:20.559
like ninety six and said, you
get the soundtrack to Like the Crows City

662
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.159
of Angels and it was better than
the movie. Well, yeah, this

663
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:29.800
is with Sliver with Billy Baldwin and
Sharon Stone. Um, you might just

664
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:31.920
go to see them that movie because
they're pretty. But like that. That

665
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.559
album had the first single by the
Verve and I'm a huge I'm a yeah,

666
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:40.159
yeah, verve and a friend of
mine who's I lived with a sou

667
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:45.639
One of the characters in the book
Rod, who's like a film student basically

668
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:47.639
based on my roommate at the time, a guy named Rob Yapp who was,

669
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.000
Um, yeah, like James Bond, obsessive film guy, Like he

670
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.320
liked the verb because it was on
that soundtrack, and he's like, yeah,

671
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:58.280
the movie sucked with the soundtrack is
kind of awesome. So yeah that

672
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.920
those ninety soundtracks. Um, the
UB forty song was on there. That

673
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:06.559
was It was a cover of Can't
Help Falling in Love with You? Right,

674
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:10.320
Yeah, yep, it was an
Elvis cover. Yeah, I'll tell

675
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:14.800
you, Uh, Brad, you
you know you're saying big Guns kind of

676
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:19.440
kind of a weaker one. Um. The man himself, Arnold Schwarzenegger,

677
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:23.079
would probably disagree with you. The
big guns on this soundtrack. It was

678
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:27.880
written for the movie because Arnold went
to a CDC and said that he wanted

679
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.320
them for the for the soundtrack.
I mean, it's not a terrible song.

680
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.039
I'm just saying that, you know, a good song. It's just

681
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:38.159
you know, I wouldn't be upset
if I went and saw a CDC and

682
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:43.039
they didn't play it. I think
I think your love for last action here,

683
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.360
you wouldn't be a little miffed if
they wouldn't be. I really,

684
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.199
no, big gun, Yeah I
would. I mean, And I've seen

685
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:52.840
def Leppard a few times and I've
heard two steps behind at every performance.

686
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:55.239
Yeah, it's kind of the ballot, like the ballad is their second act,

687
00:46:55.280 --> 00:47:00.920
like you know, Photograph probably the
best single, two guitar solos,

688
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:04.440
rock site hell. And but then
there's a lot of stuff that's like def

689
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.280
Leppard is about the ballots because they
fucking sell records and that's the only Yeah,

690
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.760
they know that shit. They know
there's a band that moved to Ireland

691
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:15.679
to avoid taxes. Obviously they know
their business. They know what's gonna sell,

692
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:19.119
whether it's good or it's cheese.
So yeah, and you never even

693
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.159
hear that song in the movie never, I think. I think it's at

694
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.599
the very end. It's the closing
credits. I thought, yeah, yeah,

695
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.920
yeah, I'll tell you what I
if I'm gonna go with a favorite

696
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.039
track on this one, uh,
probably opening the movie up with We're not

697
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:37.599
opening it, but the opening up
the Jack Slater for I'm a bag of

698
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.960
Death fan, so hearing Angry Again
with like exploding titles like you like you

699
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.239
bread this. This soundtrack is over
the top, but it has to be

700
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:49.840
to compliment the movie. I feel
like, because this movie is over the

701
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.760
top on purpose, I feel like
you've got to get bands with over the

702
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.800
top songs. Yeah, and over
the you know, I mean think about

703
00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:00.920
like the you know we got we
got titles on these songs, Big Gun,

704
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:05.880
Angry Again, you know, Last
Action Hero. You have to go

705
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.480
over the top because if if you
don't, it doesn't it doesn't compliment the

706
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.079
movie. And some of them have
nothing to do with the movie. Two

707
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.719
Steps Behind is about following a girl. What does Aerosmith dream on have to

708
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:20.119
do with the movie? Who cares? I love this version of this song?

709
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:23.320
Yeah? Well again like you know, uh, and he mentioned Fishbone,

710
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.079
like I you know, the song
swim, It's like, well,

711
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.400
does it belong in this movie or
is it just let's let's get a different

712
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:36.960
you know music. I think they
were just like anything can go, anything

713
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.360
can go in. It could be
it could be that you know, they

714
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.440
knew the agent, you know,
for the manager for Fishbone, and yeah

715
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:49.320
they got you know, we want
to be involved. So Fishbone. Yeah,

716
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.079
we got on a movie soundtrack.
Who knows if that's what And if

717
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:57.639
you think about it, Look what
happened to the band that did Arnold's last

718
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:02.639
movie, Guns N' Roses with you
could be mine? That was you know

719
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.440
every year to the soundtrack. Yeah, everyone wants to soundtrack. If you

720
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.480
want to be on at that time, you're going to be on a summer's

721
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:16.440
soundtrack movie. The Arnold Schwarzenegger movie
was the best bet. Yeah. You

722
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:20.760
know, a band doesn't surprise me, even if even if you're like,

723
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.599
why are they here? Is is
Cypress Hill? Because they were kind of

724
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:28.440
getting the reputation either they had it
or this was this was leading to it

725
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.000
because you know, Brad, we've
we've talked before one of our favorite films,

726
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:35.639
Judgment Night, that might have one
of the greatest sounds. Yeah,

727
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:40.199
that's a great soundtrack and you hear
pretty much every song in that soundtrack in

728
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:45.199
that movie. Yeah, that soundtrack. I was like, Okay, put

729
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:47.159
cypres Hill on every movie soundtrack and
I'll be I'll be happy with it because

730
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:52.519
they do good They do good work. Speaking of doing good work, uh,

731
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:59.880
let's talk a little bit about the
director himself, John McTiernan because he

732
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:06.079
is no stranger to uh to the
hits. Um So, Andy, one

733
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.800
thing we like to do. We
always like to look at the director's filmography

734
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:14.000
and kind of kind of talk a
little bit about, you know, some

735
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:17.519
of their some of their hits,
some of their misses. Um if if

736
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.159
you are patron h members already know
this. Uh. Jason Colvin from the

737
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:27.320
Shirley You k Be Serious podcast?
Uh not too long ago, uh covered

738
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:32.400
Nomads with me, which is Tiernan's
directorial debut. Uh. And just to

739
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:39.280
recap something we talked about there,
Arnold Schwarzenegger sees Nomads, thinks it's brilliant

740
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:46.440
and insists that he's hired as director
for Predator. And that is basically how

741
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:51.639
John mctiern and the director comes into
play. That's that's why we have John

742
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.039
mcturner and the director because, Uh, I don't know, Andy, have

743
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:57.920
you seen Nomads? No? I
haven't, mean, I've seen all the

744
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:01.119
other movies pretty much that and what's
up because they're just such you know,

745
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:07.199
they're marquee films or they're or they're
over hyped films like Rollerball. But yeah,

746
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:08.760
and there's not a lot of them
there's not a lot. No,

747
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:13.559
I mean I like it even as
as Bond and I've not seen them mad

748
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:15.880
It's like, I guess I know
what the fuss was to Arnold on this.

749
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:19.840
Yeah, it's uh, I'm sure, I know. We we talked

750
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:24.000
about. It was streaming on tub
or Pluto at the time, and Jason

751
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:29.760
makes a good point, it's worth
seeing just to see what we get the

752
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.280
body of work that we get because
of Nomads, Because the first time I

753
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:35.679
saw Nomads, I was like,
Oh, I don't get it. What

754
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:37.239
what is going on here? This
is a little bit of a train wreck.

755
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.400
But at the same time, Arnold
saw something different and said, this

756
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:44.480
is the guy I want to go
into the jungle with for Predator. So

757
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:53.239
his directorial debut, nomads Um leads
to one of the greatest action films ever

758
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:58.760
made. Uh, definitely one of
the best action films of nineteen eighty seven.

759
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:05.639
Talking about Predator, it's still so
good. It's still so good and

760
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:09.119
just player with every viewing right,
it really is. It's because it's I

761
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:15.039
want to say simple, but I
mean it is. This thing's a hunter

762
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:19.519
and it's it's about as as simple
as it gets. But it just manned

763
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.360
the movie works. Andy thoughts on
Predator. You know, it's been so

764
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:28.159
long since I've seen it. I
mean I remember just sort of the action

765
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:34.119
and the I don't know, the
gravel us of Schwarzenegger. He was around

766
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:36.719
before that. It wasn't like his
I don't know what I mean. Was

767
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:40.440
was Predator his first big, big
film, because the first I feel like,

768
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:45.679
the first Terminator came out and it
was sort of made for sci fi

769
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:49.960
fans, and then a Terminator too
was just a film that maybe, like

770
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.760
like Predator and die Hard, like
anybody can relate to it, just like

771
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:57.480
like top On, you can hate
Tom Cruise and you can think he's a

772
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:02.280
douche and you could even think that, Okay, handsome guys playing volleyball on

773
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.559
the beach. This is not for
me. This is a dude Burger movie.

774
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:07.840
And you know you're gonna like the
new top Gun that came out because

775
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:14.400
there's just a formula there. So
I'm not surprised that cours Naker found his

776
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.760
man um Predator. It just kind
of seems like it's you know, the

777
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:21.480
Yankees won a lot of world series
and it's just one of those ones that

778
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.000
nothing. It doesn't stand out.
But it's just like, yeah, of

779
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:27.000
course he was gonna do that movie. Of course that movie is going to

780
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.719
be, you know, still important. Now. I just kind of see

781
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:35.320
it as like one of those columns
of like like a just like a pillar

782
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:39.079
of cours Enaker's career. So okay, okay, Well let's move on to

783
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:45.199
uh to nineteen to eighty eight a
year later, not only again probably the

784
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:51.800
best action movie of that year,
definitely, in my in my expert opinion,

785
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.920
Brad, the greatest Christmas movie of
all time talking about die Hard without

786
00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:00.599
a doubt, Andy smiling Andy,
Andy, what you know, die Hard

787
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.199
Christmas movie? There is an action
movie, I mean. But at the

788
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.400
same time, I'm the guy that
says one of the greatest Christmas movies of

789
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.440
all time was Trading Places because I
love that. Yes, that works too,

790
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:13.440
That's that's a good answer. That's
why thing that you roll their eyes

791
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.480
are, like you said, a
Christmas movie, And yeah, you talk

792
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.360
about the movie all the time,
but yeah, I feel you, so

793
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:22.000
um yeah, I don't think anything
really beat. I mean, I can't

794
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:27.079
think of anything from nineteen eighty eight
that stands up more than die Hard,

795
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:32.079
and uh yeah, it was probably
the perfect role for Bruce Willis. He

796
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:35.199
got to be an action here in
a little bit of a smart ass was

797
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.159
you know, the writers were great
on that. Maybe that came from McKernan,

798
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:42.039
but uh yeah, I mean there's
nothing not perfect about that movie.

799
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:46.519
Bred you mentioned how Last Action Hero
is kind of issuing the end of this

800
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:52.519
particular type of genre. Hero die
Hard gives us the everyman hero, Like

801
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:55.000
would you say that's like it's kind
of like the birth of the everyman hero,

802
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:59.719
Like yeah, you you you look
at Conan, you look at Terminator,

803
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:05.000
and you go, I want to
be Conan. But but you never

804
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.800
look at and go I could be
Conan, you know, because he's larger

805
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:13.239
than life, whereas Bruce willis you
know, eighty with your dad. Yeah,

806
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:15.719
he had your plant, Yeah,
you had your planet. Hollywood boys,

807
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:21.159
you know, you had Arnold standing
next to Stallone, standing next to

808
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:24.480
like Van Damn, you know,
and then there's Bruce, you know,

809
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:30.079
and he's small, but but he
was the only one that could kind of,

810
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:34.440
yeah, kind of stay in the
same field with them. Yeah,

811
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:36.920
but again, you know, Andy, you can't you might not be able

812
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:42.679
to storm a castle or or or
or hunt an alien in the in the

813
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.159
jungle. But but you could be
you could be John McClane, right,

814
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.320
Like he has that that feel like, you know, what if if I

815
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:53.000
was in that, if I wasn't
Nakatomi, maybe maybe I run around and

816
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:57.360
and fight the bad guys. Well, yeah, I mean obviously anything happened

817
00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:00.239
when you're board at a Christmas party
and it's a corporate game. Yeah,

818
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:05.480
people that are around you sipping drinks
you have nothing in common with. I

819
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:12.960
mean, that's a pretty much fertile
ground for both a hostage situation and her

820
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.679
heroism. But you mentioned that the
ever Man hero, there's really two.

821
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:17.639
There's Bruce Willis and then the cop
that he's talking to the whole time.

822
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:22.280
I thought it was a great Oh
gosh, Yeah, I really appreciate dialogue

823
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:24.360
in movies. Maybe that's one of
the reasons I like Days Confused and pulp

824
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:30.239
fiction and Friday so much. You
know, that's there weren't a lot of

825
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:32.559
clever lines that dialogue, but just
the sort of the purpose of it.

826
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:38.519
Everybody appreciated that. That was probably
an underrated part of that movie. I

827
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:43.800
think with the nineties, we're now
starting to see that what you know,

828
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:47.760
you might call the Smart The Thinking
Man's action movie. Mccarnan does The Hunt

829
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:54.119
for Red October our introduction to Jack
Ryan. Still a good movie. I

830
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:58.000
was actually looking for it the other
night. It's not streaming all right.

831
00:56:58.039 --> 00:56:59.920
At the moment, I was like, damn, I was just like a

832
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:07.199
comedia my friend. Yeah, yeah, and yeah. And it's not a

833
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:14.079
action I guess it's considered an action
movie. But it's a spy thriller,

834
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:16.719
you know, in some way with
you know, a lot of talking in

835
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:21.199
it, mostly well, Andy,
you mentioned you know you're you're a big

836
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:24.719
fan of great dialogue. Did you
you know the Hunt for October? You

837
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:29.760
know you've got you got Connery in
one of his best roles. I think,

838
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:32.440
um, what your what your thoughts
on on a Hunt for October.

839
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:37.559
It's definitely a very cerebral type of
action. I love Cold War stuff.

840
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.079
I just got done watching for the
second time. If you've not seen it,

841
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:45.000
takes place in the nineties, uh
Netflix series called Cleo. It's about

842
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:51.400
a a stazzi assassin a woman who
then gets falsely imprisoned, and when the

843
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.159
wall falls down and East Germany's no
more, she goes on a rampage and

844
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:59.760
goes after all the people who imprisoned
her and screwed a life over. But

845
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:02.880
it's like it's a dark comedy,
so it's like women on the verge of

846
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:07.360
a nursing nervous breakdown combined with far
You guys are gonna love this, um

847
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:12.039
so for me, Hunt for Bread
October does not have as much action as

848
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.360
I'd like, but it is very
cerebral, and I mean I just love

849
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:22.400
the background story of the Lithuanian,
you know, rogue military officer who just

850
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:28.400
takes off and causes the world potential
world catastrophe. And the only man then

851
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.480
kind of talks some sense into or
relate to him, is is Jack Ryan

852
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:37.000
played by um Um Bow. Yeah, so uh yeah, I mean I

853
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.039
love the movie too, but at
the same time, I feel like I

854
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:44.039
want a little bit more. I
I mean, I've been spoiled by movies

855
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:49.800
like Ronan and just a lot of
the Cold War and like kind of post

856
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.360
Cold War movie that come out where
there's just a ton of crap going on

857
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.679
and everybody's out smart for a lot
of spy versus spy. So um yeah,

858
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.760
it's it's one that I don't reach
for as much as probably Brad does.

859
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:04.880
But I think that it was a
slightly different work for McTiernan then the

860
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.320
other things that we've talked about about
Dinard. It was a little bit more

861
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:10.800
and it could just because ham Clancy
kind of wrote it that way. So

862
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:15.199
I don't know, it's it's definitely
a classic, but it's of a different

863
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:17.880
flavor than the rest of the films
we're talking about here, Andy, not

864
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:22.519
to take us down a different road, but uh, you know Jack Ryan.

865
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:25.000
You know we've seen several people play
him. Now, Uh you got

866
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:30.280
a favorite actor who's done it because
we're talking Alec Baldwin's done it, Harrison

867
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:36.199
Ford, Chris Pine, and uh, the Jack Ryan series. That's the

868
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:42.239
most recent thing. You know,
Uh what is it on Prime? Harrison

869
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:46.400
Ford's type of role. But I
didn't the um, the guy from the

870
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.360
Office John kris Jinski, didn't he
do Yeah Krazinski. Yeah, he's the

871
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.800
he's the most he's the he's the
recent Jack Rymigot. It's weird to see

872
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:59.159
him going from the office to this
dude all buff. You know, I

873
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:00.880
don't know that I' favorite. I
just kind of feel like it's Harrison Forde

874
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:07.119
role because I feel like the way
that Tom Clancy wrote books, he probably

875
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:09.719
had this A. Yeah, it's
he's he's a boomer and we're talking mid

876
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:14.159
eighties Reagan era. I think that
he just kind of had something a little

877
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:16.239
less slick than all Baldwin and Harrison
Ford. You a little bit kind of

878
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:21.039
a pained guy who's got some stuff
and some skeletons in his closet. I

879
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:25.079
think that that just kind of fit
more perfectly than than anybody else. But

880
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:30.199
I'm also like, Connery's not my
favorite Bond. So you can fight with

881
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:31.960
me on a number of different points
here. We can go down a different

882
01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:36.079
road at a different time if you
want on that. But he's not my

883
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:40.199
favorite. Oh holy okay, hold
on, Jeff, I didn't grow up

884
01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:44.519
with Sean Connery. My fine,
I didn't grow up I listen. I

885
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:46.920
didn't grow up with him either.
But we're definitely have to cover this now

886
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:52.119
because now well, I mean at
a later or another, but just another

887
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:57.159
episode. But hold on, Andy, uh favorite Bond Daniel Craig because he's

888
01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:01.039
a womanizing sociopath and he's he's the
most he's the most close to the novel,

889
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:05.880
the character in the novels except for
these books, fit and a little

890
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.119
bit more, you know, a
little crazy in the brain, all right,

891
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:12.719
not not that's not a bad answer, Brad, Brad, We've we've

892
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:15.559
known each other more than half our
lives. I can't believe we've never even

893
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:20.039
brought this subject up. But if
Connor's not the best Bond, who is

894
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:24.920
George Lasenby, I'll stop, You're
full of shit. Come on, the

895
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:30.960
Harry Bond. It's Craig. It's
Craig's Yeah, yeah, I see,

896
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:32.519
Andy, I caught that reference,
uh, you know, from the from

897
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:37.920
the book because uh, you know
the was it's the Rod character who's a

898
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:42.519
bit of a Bond fanatic and dressed
up liking for Halloween. But uh yeah,

899
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.639
don someone get his goat by the
going Yeah, Lasonby's the best the

900
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:52.000
Harry Bond. Wow, uh Brad, uh Andy. You know, before

901
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.400
we got on the subject of Jack
Ryan and James Bond, h he mentioned

902
01:01:55.440 --> 01:02:00.480
what might be one of my favorite
Frankheimer films Real And I'm gonna I'm gonna

903
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:04.199
go ahead and put that out there
right now, because I know there's probably

904
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:07.280
a couple of good movies we could
cover for for when we do that episode.

905
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:10.480
But I submit to you, Ronan
should be that episode, because that

906
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:15.280
is such a that's such a great
movie. Yeah, all right, well

907
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:20.719
Connery not your favorite bond for these
two guys. Definitely, he's my favorite

908
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:24.239
bond. Uh. And I think
McTiernan as a fan because a year later,

909
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:29.000
in nineteen eighty two, he teams
up with Bond Bond. He teams

910
01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:32.039
up with Sean Connery again. Uh
to do medicine man. Uh, Sean

911
01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:37.440
Connery Lorraine Bracco. I need to
watch that again. I was too young

912
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:42.039
to understand it what was going on. I agree, I wasn't interested enough.

913
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:45.239
I think if I watched it now, I'd probably enjoy it. It's

914
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:47.199
a it's one of those when we
saw it, you know, we were

915
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:51.440
you know, I wouldn't say we
were kids, but we're definitely younger.

916
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:54.199
Not interest of it in that,
you know, you're like, yeah,

917
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:58.559
it goes up against you. It's
like, I don't really care. It's

918
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:01.480
not interesting enough. Did you catch
Medicine man? Andy? No? But

919
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:06.599
I love Loreine Black. I mean, Lorraine Brocco is not really leading lady.

920
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.800
But you know, it's one of
those. I think people who appreciate

921
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:15.000
films and actresses, we all have
our little crushes too, I kind of

922
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.559
wanted to see her in a lot
more so I probably should have seen it.

923
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:22.360
I just I don't if I saw, I don't remember it. Yeah,

924
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:27.760
it's again. It's kind of you
know, like he's like a where

925
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:30.360
Conny Connary is the long hair is
it. Yeah, he's like the long

926
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:37.000
hair bearded, you know, kind
of like a proto what I wanted to

927
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.559
say, Uh, Dank Seaman type
of guy. Yeah, so something like

928
01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:45.880
that. He's he's definitely uh,
he's he's definitely rocking his look for the

929
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:47.880
rock. Like you know, when
he starts off the rock, he looks

930
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.840
like he just walked off the set
of of Medicine. Man. You know,

931
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:53.719
he's they're they're deep in the Amazon. Uh you know, they're they're

932
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:58.679
looking at it's like science and looking
for a cure, looking for you know,

933
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.159
yeah, I think they're looking for
care for cancer. Political intrigue is

934
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:04.519
involved, there's there's a whole there's
bred. You're right, we're adults.

935
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:06.559
Now, we should go back and
check that one out. I think I

936
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:11.920
think we'll have a new appreciation for
it. We've been talking about Last Action

937
01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:15.800
here at which he does in nineteen
ninety three, and uh in nineteen ninety

938
01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:19.960
five, he revisits John McLean.
He comes back for the third film,

939
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:24.960
Die Hard with a Vengeance. Loved
it. How do you know it?

940
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:29.480
I mean, this is this is
this is originally this is a lethal weapon.

941
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:31.800
It's uh, I think it's I
think it's originally written as lethal weapon

942
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:36.840
three. Yeah, they pass on
it and then it becomes it becomes a

943
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:42.119
John mcclan movie. Yeah. Jeremy
Irons is a bad guy. Yeah,

944
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.400
and a great team up with him
and Samuel L. Jackson. I mean,

945
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:48.679
somebody that's a sidekick that's interesting to
watch. Well, yeah, I

946
01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:53.320
mean, you know Andy, and
he was talking about having him earlier.

947
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:56.920
Andy, you're you know, die
Hard with a Vengeance. At this point

948
01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.360
of you like, are you getting
Tyer McLean or is this like yep,

949
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:01.199
give me another one. No,
I don't think so. I mean there's

950
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:04.599
not too many I think, you
know, and maybe in the case of

951
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:08.840
The Godfather three, like you really
have to, you know, swing and

952
01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:13.360
miss to mess up a franchise because
we're so in trench with the characters.

953
01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:15.599
We have kind of relationship with them. So, I mean, I think

954
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.159
it was good enough. I'll put
it that way. I do remember walking

955
01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:25.360
it and my film Buff Bond Obsessive
was also in an obsessive of die Hard,

956
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:27.920
and he gave it the thumbs upper
over and probably made me watch it

957
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:32.159
like two or three times when we
would do our annual starting at Christmas die

958
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:36.639
Hard, you know, kind of
mini movie marathon. I've seen it a

959
01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:40.280
couple of times, but it's been
it's probably been twenty five years since i've

960
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:44.559
seen it, So okay, I'll
tell you. I think I mentioned this

961
01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:48.960
before. I'm I'm a huge fan
of Steve McQueen and his films. So

962
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:53.920
for anyone to say, hey,
let's remake this Steve McQueen movie, and

963
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.519
I know it's happened once or twice, I'm quick to go, I don't

964
01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:00.880
think so. But the Thomas Crown
Affair a couple years later, he does

965
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:06.960
Thomas Krannifair in nineteen ninety nine.
Pierce Brosden Renee Russo. I gotta say

966
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:13.239
it. It's better than the original. It is. It is. It

967
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:20.480
actually is um but and it has
so many other great things too, oh,

968
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:26.239
so many other things that you wanted
to see. And this it's a

969
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.880
sexy movie. I'll say it.
It's a sexy movie. It's a probably

970
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:35.679
great date movie, but it's a
cool, slick heist fun movie, you

971
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:40.360
know, and it's it's fun.
It looks like both actors are having a

972
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:45.400
ball doing the movie. Um,
I definitely buy it. As far as

973
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:50.320
I think today, this art concierge
type of guy being more like somebody like

974
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:58.159
Pierce Brosnan, not somebody as rough
as McQueen or McLean or McLean yeahmcqueen or

975
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:03.159
mcclein andy whatchul uh? I mean, have you seen the original? Yeah?

976
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:05.320
Yeah, it's been a long time. But I mean, I think

977
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:08.440
your point. So one thing I
think you're kind of alluding to, you

978
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:11.159
know, maybe saying, is that
I'm not a film historian, but I

979
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:14.159
feel like the Thomas Krown of Fair
is one of a handful films that came

980
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:16.079
out in the late nineties that sort
of, you know, brought back the

981
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:20.960
heist and made the heist, made
it okay to have expensive cars and fine

982
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:25.880
wines and not beat bond. So
I'm talking about everything from the Italian Job

983
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:29.280
to some of the stuff that you
know, even Vin diesel Is in and

984
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:33.960
Jason Statham in The Rock where there's
a there's latitude for humor there's fancy cars,

985
01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:39.800
there's people appreciate, you know,
fancy restaurants and and fine dining and

986
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:48.079
yeah, wine connoisseurs. But that
there's sort of hyper masculine Action hero is

987
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:51.679
still there. But also you've got
this, you know, these intelligent women

988
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:57.239
in the film and with with Thomas
Crown of Fair it's Renee Russo they're not

989
01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:00.719
playing just kind of like an arm
candy and in that film. So I

990
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.880
feel like one of a couple of
movies that opened up this kind of new

991
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:08.480
wave of heist films that are a
lot more intelligent and maybe, you know,

992
01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:12.960
kind of the point of this visual
conversation, we're getting away from the

993
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:16.319
kind of movies that the Last Last
Action Hero were kind of poking fun at,

994
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:23.239
the big explosions, the van damn
stuff that Bruce Willis is John McClain,

995
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:27.760
some of the stuff that made Swartzenegger
famous, and that we're really kind

996
01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:31.199
of going to a different realm here. And I don't know, I think

997
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:34.760
that the timing of that statement the
Last Action Hero Intext three, maybe it

998
01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:39.600
was a little early, maybe with
the Thomas Crown affair and Nine tells Us

999
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:43.680
is this movie that Swartzenegger did with
everybody else. You know, it's kind

1000
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:45.960
of like a cannonball run in terms
of all the appearances of famous people.

1001
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:49.039
Was just a little bit ahead of
its time, just like a lot of

1002
01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:55.680
great popcole fillers out there. Well, I like with the one thing you

1003
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:59.840
were kind of alluding to also,
you know, with like the fancy stuff,

1004
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:01.399
you know, because like you see
this this kind of stuff, and

1005
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:05.239
there there is a pretentiousness to it. But at the same time, I

1006
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:08.600
feel like the Thomas Crown affair made
you made it, made it cool,

1007
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:11.000
made it like, yeah, that's
I would I would, I would want

1008
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:14.479
that. And I also kind of
feel like it makes it like you know,

1009
01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:15.560
you're talking about the new Heist,
you know, bringing about the heist

1010
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:20.039
film many it this is a situation
where we're you know, we you know,

1011
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:23.399
the audience we start sharing for the
bad guy. I mean, not

1012
01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:25.840
that not that Pierce Brosten is a
bad guy. He's a he's not that

1013
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:28.960
he's a villain, but obviously morally, you know, he is a master

1014
01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:31.119
thief. He is he is the
bad guy. Whether we like it or

1015
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:34.039
not. You know, we shouldn't
be you know, we should be rooting

1016
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:38.000
for Dennis Leary in that movie,
you know, to catch to catch him

1017
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:41.039
and put him in jail. But
you want Pierce Brosden to get away with

1018
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:45.479
it, right, and we're just
like you want the Oceans Boys to get

1019
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.359
away with it? Yeah, and
you want you want mister Challenge up naked

1020
01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:49.399
out of the back of a car
again, you know, to hit something

1021
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:54.319
with And I would you know,
four or five comes out. I'm gonna

1022
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:57.199
see it, even even though the
reviews are terrible. As long as that

1023
01:09:57.199 --> 01:10:00.600
guy's in it, I'm gonna watch
that movie. So at you. I

1024
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:04.000
get your point on steroids is what
I just said. I think. Yeah,

1025
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:08.600
all right. Uh, same year
he does Thomas Crown Affair, he

1026
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:13.279
does The Thirteenth Warrior. This is
brad. We could have easily talked about

1027
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:16.399
this movie, uh for Rick tarn
And I know we didn't because our good

1028
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:21.760
friend Dayton Johnson at Documents seventy seven
already did excellent coverage on it. But

1029
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:28.399
yes, very underrated film, yeah, but a damn good one, right,

1030
01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:31.159
Yeah, and a good movie to
have the book as a companion with.

1031
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:35.760
You read the book first and watch
the movie, and I believe you'll

1032
01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:40.079
enjoy it more. The Eaters of
the Dead Eaters of the Dead. Yeah,

1033
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:44.520
I would like them to rerelease that
movie with some damn special features on

1034
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:47.640
it, but call it Eaters of
the Dead as it originally was. Okay,

1035
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.079
so like a special edition. Yeah. Well, you know, you

1036
01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:55.239
you make a good point with you
know, because that book is phenomenal.

1037
01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:00.319
Andy, you know, author to
author, you know, cry, like,

1038
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:02.000
what what do you think of him? Well? That's um, you

1039
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:06.319
know, just as much as us
all rock fans on an X punks can

1040
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:11.399
be music snobs were also snobs about
literature. So I mean, you're not

1041
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:14.239
You're just you're not gonna see a
Michael Criden book in my house. Not

1042
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:16.399
nothing wrong with it, just like
you're not gonna see any Dean Coots or

1043
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.439
I don't know, James Patterson book. You're gonna find some Nick Hornby and

1044
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:23.560
some George Plimpton. It's just kind
of not my flavor. I'm not saying

1045
01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:27.880
it sucks. It's just um yeah, um, kind of not my not

1046
01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:31.920
my shade of pop culture, like
the Ancient. So I didn't see the

1047
01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:35.359
movie. Yeah, so I'm a
little uh, I'll just listen to listen

1048
01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:39.239
to you guys on that one.
It's not a lot of people did see

1049
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:44.199
it. Yeah, it wasn't a
big hit. But so a couple of

1050
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:46.560
years goes by. I think I
think it was Andy that mentioned this.

1051
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.800
Uh and when we opened up,
Uh, he does Rollerball, you know,

1052
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:54.960
he he he goes back to the
remake. Well, uh, this

1053
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:59.079
time not as successful because you know, say what you will about the original

1054
01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:03.159
Rollerball with James Cohn, but ello
coolj was just not gonna save this one.

1055
01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:06.399
What about Chris Klein, No,
he wasn't gonna save it either.

1056
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:13.239
I don't even think John McTiernan could
save this movie. I remember seeing that

1057
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:15.159
this movie is coming out and then
you know, kind of going to the

1058
01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.840
bottom of the post or whatever,
and then seeing directed by John McTiernan,

1059
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:24.800
and I was just like, oh, come on, man, really and

1060
01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:30.079
yeah and it Yeah, nobody liked
that movie. Andy, what what kind

1061
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:33.760
of a in an alternate universe?
What kind of article is Andy Fry writing

1062
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:40.000
for ESPN about the the deadly sport
of rollerball? Uh? You know,

1063
01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:43.520
to me, a kind of I
mean, I've written about extreme sports like

1064
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:46.279
skydadding and roller derby and ice cross, which is a sport by Red Bull,

1065
01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:50.479
which is basically downhill speed skating on
spit, which sounds just terrifying to

1066
01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:54.439
me. I just I think that
the whole thing with this one is it

1067
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:58.359
just didn't feel like they approached it
with authenticity, and it does kind of

1068
01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:02.479
smack of those short lived summer TV
shows where there's like, I don't know,

1069
01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:05.960
it's like American Warrior, but there's
you know, a pit of alligators

1070
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:09.000
in the middle of it. You
might follow it like it just doesn't really

1071
01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:13.600
feel like it's for real. And
then I don't. I don't know that

1072
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:15.920
you could take the original and remake
it and not have it be a joke.

1073
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:17.479
But I just feel it well,
like Chris, it's it's very it

1074
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:20.800
meant to be slick. You've got
Chris Klein wearing his helmet and he's not

1075
01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:25.520
got his helmet strapped at all during
the whole thing, even competition, and

1076
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:29.039
Ella Cool j is great in some
things and other other things, it's just

1077
01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:32.079
okay, Ella Cool Jason in the
film Cool. So I don't know who

1078
01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:34.760
else we're gonna get. We're gonna
get um, you know, appearances,

1079
01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:38.720
Bike, Spike Lee, Like I
don't. I just wasn't. It didn't

1080
01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:41.880
feel like it was serious. I
think it's what Brad's getting at yeah out

1081
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:45.680
in the poster just kind of screams
at so yeah. I think it was

1082
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:47.359
if you're not gonna do it right, don't do it at all. And

1083
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:51.960
I guess there's a budget for this
and mccharning took it and just couldn't,

1084
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:56.399
you know, make it work.
Well. A year later, uh,

1085
01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:00.720
you know, right before his his
hiatus, he does a very you know,

1086
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:04.000
I wouldn't call it a it's more
of it's more of like a mystery.

1087
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.960
Not a lot of people saw this
one, you know. It's another

1088
01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:12.800
underrated Jim of his. But he
gets John Travolta and he does a film

1089
01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:17.439
called Basic. This one it's one
of those hey something, when something happened

1090
01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:21.199
in the military. Travolta is brought
in to investigate, and it's all a

1091
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:26.760
matter of the It's like a who
done it basically with a really slick twist

1092
01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:29.359
at the end. Brad, you
know, I'm a you know, we've

1093
01:14:29.359 --> 01:14:31.279
talked about this before. I know
I've told you like how much I'm a

1094
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:33.920
fan of it, But I don't
know if I've ever asked you, like

1095
01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:38.359
what you thought about Basic. I
think I watched it. It was very

1096
01:14:38.439 --> 01:14:44.279
forgettable. I don't think John Travolta
has done one good movie post two thousand.

1097
01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:49.560
I don't know name a movie past
two thousand, and it's he and

1098
01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:56.239
he changed his acting into doing this
thing where he just grinds his teeth.

1099
01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:00.279
Yeah, it's very forgettable. I
remember he lost a bunch of w for

1100
01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:03.159
it, and that's for like one
scene. And then that's the only thing

1101
01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:08.479
I really remember about the movie.
Ah man, okay, Andy helped me

1102
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:13.199
out here. John Travolta, Sam
Jackson, have you have you seen this

1103
01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:15.640
one? Not in a long time. I don't remember much other than what

1104
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:18.399
Brad's kind of talking about, and
they're same Miel Jackson's in it. You

1105
01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:21.760
know. I don't really think.
I guess I'll make another pronouncement, maybe

1106
01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:26.239
more shocking than my Bond choice.
I don't only think that John travolt is

1107
01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:28.640
that great of an actor. I
mean, I think there's he's an icon

1108
01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:31.880
pop culture wise. I think he's
fiction. But I remember to kind of

1109
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:34.359
goo geek out and you a little
bit here. I remember in thid round

1110
01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:40.199
Line and there's a conversation with Nick
Nulty and his manning officers played by John

1111
01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:44.199
Travolta and just in that scene you
immediately see, like how much better of

1112
01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:47.319
an actor Nick Nulty is having a
conversation with John Travolta, and You're just

1113
01:15:47.319 --> 01:15:50.920
like, John travolt is not really
that good an actor. Marquee name.

1114
01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:54.800
And I think it's kind of the
same thing here, Like, you know,

1115
01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:58.920
there's a string of movies like Phenomenon
in the nineties where John Travolta was

1116
01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:00.359
big again, so he's gonna get
films. And I feel like this was

1117
01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:04.560
an attempt at that. Uh.
It just yeah, it's kind of like

1118
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:10.119
it was forgettable. It's probably a
good way that. Yeah, Brad said

1119
01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:12.760
that. I just I gotta I
got, you know, I gotta I

1120
01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:15.640
gotta say. Uh. I know
the last time Brad and I uh had

1121
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:21.399
someone with us. Uh, Brad
was definitely outnumbered when we were talking about

1122
01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:25.119
Super eight and Brad, I'm I'm
not picking up, Brad, I'm not

1123
01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:28.640
picking the scap So you don't don't
don't start on your whole Super eight Die

1124
01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:31.199
tribe. But uh, you know, Brad, I kind of I feel

1125
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:35.399
like the tables have turned because I'm
definitely seeing you and Andy are are like

1126
01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:39.039
minded on a lot of a lot
of these things that we're talking about tonight.

1127
01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:43.680
So, um, yeah, I'm
sure you know how it feels now,

1128
01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:47.079
I know. Yeah, all right, So uh look, you know

1129
01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:50.960
after after Basic, you know,
this is this is two thousand, um,

1130
01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:56.439
two thousand and three, he does
Basic. This is his last film

1131
01:16:56.520 --> 01:17:01.199
for well, this was his last
film because he had you know, we

1132
01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:04.880
won't we won't really get into it. But obviously he got into some hot

1133
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:10.359
water with the FBI over some illegal
wire taps and he went away. He

1134
01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:16.680
did some time. But Brad,
he's actually he's making his comeback. I'm

1135
01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:21.479
talking about it's. Uh, he's
in pre production right now on a film

1136
01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:27.560
called taw Setti Boxtrot And I'm not
I might be saying that wrong. I

1137
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.880
don't know, but listen to this. Let me give you a little quick

1138
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:38.079
synopsis. Here. Three rebels set
out to kill the oligarchs and military thugs

1139
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:44.079
who terrorize a war torn planet in
the remote taw Seti Solar System. So

1140
01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:46.239
he's going, he's going sci fi. You know, he hasn't really done

1141
01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:53.560
that since Predator, and but that
sounds like something that would cost a lot

1142
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:59.560
of money, and right now he
does not have the clout to make that,

1143
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:02.920
you know, in that kind of
scale. Well it is. It's

1144
01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:06.520
it's listed as his next his next
feature project. He's writing it, he's

1145
01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:13.880
directing it, starring Uma Thurman.
Okay, now, well listen, let's

1146
01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:16.119
let's let's go back to you know, as as we start to wrap up,

1147
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:21.000
let's go back to last action here
one last time. So the you

1148
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:25.399
know, the main thing with this
movie, you know, the mcguffin is

1149
01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:31.000
this mysterious golden ticket. You know
that was once given to uh uh Nick,

1150
01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:34.000
the old guy that runs the theater. You know, he apparently when

1151
01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:38.199
he was a little kid. He
got it from Harry Hudini and you know,

1152
01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:41.880
legend has it it can it could
transport you to any movie you know,

1153
01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:45.319
and put you right in the film. So my question to you guys,

1154
01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:47.319
and we'll start with We'll start with
Andy, the golden tick. You

1155
01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:51.479
have the golden ticket, you get
to you get to step into any Arnold

1156
01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:59.399
Schwartzenegger movie. Andy, which which
movie? Which movie universe of Arnold Schwartzenegger's

1157
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:03.079
are you are you walking into?
I'm probably walking right into and jumping on

1158
01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:08.159
the back of the motorcycle and terminator
too. Really, I'm not sure if

1159
01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:10.880
I could hang with that crowd i'd
I'd like to think I could, but

1160
01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:15.279
I mean, just you could you
watch that movie with a sound down and

1161
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:18.439
not know anything about the premise of
the movie, or have not seen the

1162
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:23.760
original Terminator and you're seeing you know, Edward Furlong on this motorcycle or in

1163
01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:28.079
a public Enemy T shirt. I
mean, I think a dream of mine,

1164
01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:30.239
an unreal sty dream of mine and
probably have most men, is to

1165
01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:34.960
outrun the cops on a Harley and
kids like thirteen. He's doing that,

1166
01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:40.359
and he's also kind of in coots
with this robot man to kill another robot

1167
01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:43.119
man and save the world. So
that's that's a lot of a lot of

1168
01:19:43.119 --> 01:19:46.239
shit going on to deal with,
and I don't know how you get top

1169
01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:49.840
of that. So that's where I
would go again. I hope I could

1170
01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:55.119
hang with that crowd. Might be
terrifying, but it's also be pretty exciting

1171
01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:59.880
too. That's a good good call, Brad. They're tearing your ticket.

1172
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.800
What are you head into? What? I'm actually gonna go to this movie

1173
01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:11.560
for a couple of reasons. One, I would not survive any other Terminator.

1174
01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:14.920
I would die Predator. I would
die true lie. I mean,

1175
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:19.680
I would not make it very far
I feel in this movie I could maybe

1176
01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:27.159
give the more fun comedic edge that
was missing from the you know, Danny

1177
01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:30.920
Madigan part. And I think I
could have fun in this movie. But

1178
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:32.880
yeah, all the other ones I
would oh god, I'd be gone in

1179
01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:36.479
a second. I see again,
you guys. You guys seem to be

1180
01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:44.359
in sync because you know, Andy
chooses a world where you know, he's

1181
01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:47.560
he's jumping into the kid's role and
he's jumping on the back of the of

1182
01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:54.640
the Harley, and he's he's trying
to take down Skynet. You are jumping

1183
01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:59.000
into the back of his convertible and
you know Slater's convertible in Last Action Hero,

1184
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:01.760
and uh and recognizing like, you
know, hey, you know I'm

1185
01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:04.880
a I'm a comic sidekick, so
I gotta I gotta watch what I do.

1186
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:08.359
Yeah, that's the thing. I
would need to watch what I do.

1187
01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:13.239
Really, you're going to Conan's world, so none of us are going

1188
01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:15.000
to garden cop or jingle all the
way, which I guess would be my

1189
01:21:15.079 --> 01:21:18.199
second choice. I did like have
a little fun with that, but I

1190
01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:21.479
alread made my choice here, so
well, I'll tell you, Brad,

1191
01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:26.840
you you read my mind. Definitely
Uh, I'm all for days of high

1192
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:32.640
adventure. I'm ride I'm riding horseback
alongside Conan uh and and helping him on

1193
01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:36.600
his many adventures until he until he
becomes king by his own hand. Because

1194
01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:41.399
you know, if one thing,
you know, we all had those,

1195
01:21:41.479 --> 01:21:43.800
you know, Andy, I don't
know about you, but Brad, you

1196
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:47.760
and I have had plenty of a
of a time and customer service in the

1197
01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:53.640
in the retail world. And the
idea of someone disrespecting me and then having

1198
01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:57.600
the option of bearing my my battle
axe in their face. Uh, you

1199
01:21:57.640 --> 01:22:00.119
can get away with that in in
Conan the Barbarians. So that's that's the

1200
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:04.439
universe I'm going to. UM.
I liked that Andy mentioned kindergarten cop as

1201
01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:08.159
a as a fun one. If
I was going to have any kind of

1202
01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:14.800
alternate answer, it's not so much
for the comedy, But I'm going I'm

1203
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:18.760
going to the world of Twins,
and I'll say two words. Kelly Preston

1204
01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:23.560
so well, the important part here
is that none of us would want to

1205
01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:27.600
be Republican governor of California, that
California was none of them mass in the

1206
01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:30.840
two early two thousands, that we
wouldn't want that job. Yeah. Oh

1207
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:34.920
and speaking of if you haven't watched
the Netflix Arnold documentary, there is a

1208
01:22:35.119 --> 01:22:41.239
very small blurb where he does talk
about Last Action Hero and his disappointment with

1209
01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:45.960
the way it turned out. Yeah, and I Brad, I know,

1210
01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:48.319
uh, I've seen the documentary.
It's fantastic. I know what you're alluding

1211
01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:54.319
to. But I would definitely recommend
anyone. It's like a three part documentary

1212
01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:58.159
series like uh, you know,
they talk about the body but you know,

1213
01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:00.359
growing up in Austria, the bodybuilding, they talk about the movies,

1214
01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:06.239
to talk about his political career.
It's it is a fantastic um documentary.

1215
01:23:06.600 --> 01:23:10.039
Um. And he's got this new
you know, speaking to Netflix, He's

1216
01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:14.239
got this new comedic action it's kind
of in the vein of a Last Action

1217
01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:16.439
Hero because it's comedy, it's action. He's got this new one called this

1218
01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:19.640
series called fu Bar. Uh andy, have you have you called it yet?

1219
01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:23.720
Have you familiar with it? Now? That's probably next of my list

1220
01:23:23.720 --> 01:23:27.359
now when I finished Cleo again,
it's it's kind of um, you know,

1221
01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:29.960
went in my whistle with some new
Arnold stuff. And so I don't

1222
01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:32.239
know if I'll jump to the documentary
or food Bar first. I do have

1223
01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:38.239
sort of a difficulty committing to series, Like I've not watched Game of Thrones

1224
01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:40.840
because i know I'm not going to
be into the universe there. I'm just

1225
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:43.479
not gonna do it. But you
know, once I commit to a series,

1226
01:23:43.479 --> 01:23:45.760
I'm gonna watch the whole thing.
So um yeah, I'll probably uh

1227
01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:49.880
peruse it and make a decision and
i'll take it world. If you say

1228
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:54.000
it's good, I'll check it out. Because I can't really say I've ever

1229
01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:58.840
really been disappointed with any Schwartzenegger film. I mean ever. I mean yeah,

1230
01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:01.600
but we talked about some some semi
duds today, but there's you know,

1231
01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:05.039
he always keeps us coming back.
I think, well, you you

1232
01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:09.560
mentioned you know, like you said, you uh, you're always gonna come

1233
01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:14.600
back for Arnold. Your recommendation on
Last Action Hero, Andy, do you

1234
01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:17.560
recommend people check this one out or
give it a as Brad likes to call

1235
01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:19.960
it a second chance Sunday When you
haven't seen it for a while and you're

1236
01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:23.479
not sure if you if you still
like it or you still hate it.

1237
01:24:24.039 --> 01:24:27.840
What's your recommendation for Last Action Hero? I would say, yeah, I

1238
01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:30.319
mean and kind of to Brad's point, like don't get too hung up on

1239
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:33.159
the kid character, because I mean
I do feel like that was a stock

1240
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:38.600
Disney kid type of character. I
didn't even know the thing about McAuley,

1241
01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:43.760
Culkin or even Elijah Wood that it
really could have benefited from a stronger character

1242
01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:47.199
or more recognizable face worth something.
But you know, the whole reason that

1243
01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:51.119
we would have gone to see it
anyway is because of our Schwartzenegger And you

1244
01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:55.319
know, look at the poster.
I think I think that stands out there.

1245
01:24:56.279 --> 01:24:59.680
One question I wanted to ask both
of you before we wrap things up,

1246
01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:03.039
even considering the fact that there's a
kid in it, because we were

1247
01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:10.399
all kids watching Redded R films,
would this film have benefited from being more

1248
01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:14.720
successful, more understanding, and a
little bit more dangerous if it was our

1249
01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:19.920
because all the movies that the kid
is talking about, these are all our

1250
01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:27.159
movies. Yeah. So this was
a PG thirteen movie and they poked fun

1251
01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:31.479
at it, but I think a
rated R version of it would have really

1252
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:39.399
kind of sealed that deal of everything
that you saw in the late eighties to

1253
01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:44.319
the into the early nineties. I'm
gonna say, you know, you know,

1254
01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:46.760
before Andy answers, I'm gonna I'm
gonna say I. I say no.

1255
01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:53.960
And the reason why two things.
First off, because it is a

1256
01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:58.600
PG thirteen or because Jack Slater four
is a PG thirteen movie. Because we're

1257
01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:01.720
dealing with a movie within a movie. You lose some of the jokes if

1258
01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:04.359
it if it is RATEDAR Like,
you know, he he writes, he

1259
01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:09.319
writes what we presume to be the
F word on a piece of paper,

1260
01:26:09.319 --> 01:26:10.840
says here say this. She's like, I don't want to say it.

1261
01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:13.720
He's like, you can't say it
because it's PG. It's PG thirteen movie.

1262
01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:16.319
Um, So I think you're gonna
lose a little bit of the comedy

1263
01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:21.039
in that aspect. And to make
this an R rated film, I think

1264
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:28.279
the only thing you're missing would be, uh, a little more gratuitous violence,

1265
01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:31.239
or you know, more graphic violence, or maybe maybe some gratuitous nudity,

1266
01:26:31.479 --> 01:26:34.720
you know, because that's what you
saw in early eighties action movies.

1267
01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:39.039
And I don't feel I feel like
both of those would be a little out

1268
01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:42.680
of place, especially when you're your
pro you're one of your your your narrator

1269
01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:45.439
characters is a like a thirteen year
old kid, twelve year old kid,

1270
01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:47.479
whatever. I don't know. I
could be wrong, though, let's out

1271
01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:49.439
there, let's say, well,
let's see what Andy has to say,

1272
01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:54.119
because you know you said you asked
us both. So you know, I'm

1273
01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:56.680
kind of torn on that because you
can't really do a rated R. I

1274
01:26:56.720 --> 01:27:00.119
mean I would, okay, I
can't say that you can't do a rated

1275
01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:03.680
R movie with a kid in it. I don't I don't remember was the

1276
01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:05.800
sixth cents rated R? Was it
PG? You guys know, off the

1277
01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:12.239
top of your head, I feel
like, yeah, a much more serious

1278
01:27:12.239 --> 01:27:14.640
movie. I don't know. I
kind of feel like that it was a

1279
01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:17.359
business decision that somebody, probably in
one of the studios said, well,

1280
01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:20.720
Kindergarten Cop, which came out on
nine ninety, was such a great success.

1281
01:27:21.560 --> 01:27:25.600
Uh, you know, schwartz Are
can kind of do these family friendly

1282
01:27:25.640 --> 01:27:29.119
movies. But you, as we
talked about the whole time, yere really

1283
01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:32.399
the people who go to see schwartz
enor without fail are the people who want

1284
01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:36.479
the art movies. They want the
Terminator Terminator two. Um. So I

1285
01:27:36.479 --> 01:27:40.560
don't know. I mean, I
think maybe that was a calculating I don't

1286
01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:44.880
even I don't know that that really
matters. I think that, I mean,

1287
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:47.159
I think I just keep going back
to Brown's original point that, Um,

1288
01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:50.359
the casting of the kid just didn't
work out here. And I don't

1289
01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:55.359
know that in our or sticking a
PG thirteen was really a factor here.

1290
01:27:56.000 --> 01:28:00.479
You probably could have done it either
way, but I think it was kind

1291
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:04.760
of a big reach. They thought
that they probably could get the size audience,

1292
01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:08.119
the size of the audience that came
out for kinder Carten, GOP and

1293
01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:12.720
Terminator two. But I think that
the timing was really off on this film

1294
01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:15.199
in terms of what it was presenting, what it was trying to accomplish.

1295
01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:18.600
So, um, you know that's
not things like that happened in film.

1296
01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:25.359
You know, sometimes the outer world
just doesn't know what's going on or what's

1297
01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:31.479
trying to be achieved, or something
huge like Jurassic park right access for a

1298
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.159
number of years. So I didn't
like Jurassic Parking. There's nothing kind of

1299
01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:36.920
film that I would go to see. But you know, I'm not I'm

1300
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:40.520
not every man out there. I'm
not the person who goes to the goes

1301
01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:44.560
to the cinema every week of the
summer because that's just what we do.

1302
01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:46.880
So yeah, I don't I'm not
gonna render opinion on that I think that

1303
01:28:47.239 --> 01:28:51.520
the issues were different than the rating
for sure. Right. Well, I

1304
01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:55.520
know I've got a I've got a
blue ray of this one. Uh,

1305
01:28:55.640 --> 01:29:00.840
it's it's streaming on Netflix, Hulu
and Prime right now. Where'd you you

1306
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:03.319
know? Yeah? I think I
watched it on Netflix? Yeah, okay,

1307
01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:08.199
and yeah, I'm guessing when when
he wasn't watching Cleo Andy, Andy

1308
01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:11.000
tuned in and and is you know, He's like, he's he's already on

1309
01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:15.439
Netflix. Maybe he watched it there. I think that Netflix is kind of

1310
01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:19.680
stacking up on the Arnold stuff,
considering the documentary and the television show.

1311
01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:24.920
So you get a good selection of
Arnold movies on Netflix right now. Yep.

1312
01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:30.359
Well, listen, we have been
discussing the the thirtieth anniversary of Last

1313
01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:38.199
Action Hero with journalist and author Andy
Fry Uh ninety days in the nineties.

1314
01:29:38.640 --> 01:29:42.520
One thing, um I'll point out
that I thought was that I think was

1315
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:48.159
really cool. Uh. Andy has
not one but two Spotify playlists that uh

1316
01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:51.680
and Andy Craig Roman If I'm wrong, it's almost like, you know,

1317
01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:58.239
these were meant almost like a supplemental
material, you know, because the second

1318
01:29:58.279 --> 01:30:00.359
time I read the book, I
actually had your playlist going on in the

1319
01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:08.159
background, just to kind of immerse
myself in Darby's world. Fantastic you know

1320
01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:13.159
collection of artists too, like some
stuff I hadn't I hadn't heard since ninety

1321
01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:16.119
six, ninety seven, some some
stuff I'd never heard ever, and you

1322
01:30:16.119 --> 01:30:19.439
know, kind of clude me in
mayde a fan so um. I have

1323
01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:26.720
tried to make nineties playlists so many
times and always fail because I'm always forgetting

1324
01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:29.680
something, I'm always walking something.
Well, go straight, go straight to

1325
01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:32.760
his two playlists, ninety Days in
the nineties and ninety Days in the nineties,

1326
01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:39.000
two ninety more songs, uh Andy. I can't even imagine what your

1327
01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:43.119
music collection would look like. I've
seen Brad's because Brad owns everything on it.

1328
01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:45.960
He he and Darby would be the
exact same, and like, hey,

1329
01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:47.039
I've got all the great stuff.
I've got, the live recordings,

1330
01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:51.720
I got the the you know,
the rare imports stuff. I gotta imagine

1331
01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:55.840
you've got it. You've got a
pretty amazing collection. To put together a

1332
01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:59.159
you know, a playlist like this
and to write like the like you do,

1333
01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:03.119
I'll say in my mind, I've
actually never started collecting vityl because you

1334
01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:10.199
know, It's weird because in music
people kind of assume now and generationally too,

1335
01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:13.119
that if you're a real, diehard
music fan, you have to have

1336
01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:15.119
VITYL. I don't necessarily agree with
that. I'm not a fish fan or

1337
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:20.279
a dead fan. They do fine
without VITYL. It's all about the the

1338
01:31:20.319 --> 01:31:24.199
live tape there, and I kind
of wonder what they're doing now that those

1339
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:26.720
tapes deteriorate, if they have it
on reel to reel or something. But

1340
01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:31.520
um, yeah, I mean I've
I've I've taken up streaming, just like

1341
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:35.439
anybody else has. I'm not really
a record collector in this sort of the

1342
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:41.079
geek out sense, but yeah,
I mean it's it's a soundtrack in the

1343
01:31:41.119 --> 01:31:43.560
back of my head, constantly going, and that was sort of the spirit

1344
01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:46.199
of the book, and also the
playlist that went with it. I had

1345
01:31:46.239 --> 01:31:48.960
to make those playlists because what else
would I do. I can't make a

1346
01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:54.119
mix tape mixtape these days, so
just a five hour playlist in ninety songs

1347
01:31:54.359 --> 01:32:00.279
times too. So one more question
for you, whether whether we've seen the

1348
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:05.319
last of Darby and her time traveling
adventures, or if there's something else,

1349
01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:09.640
any anything you want to share with
us, anything that's on the that's coming

1350
01:32:09.720 --> 01:32:13.279
up soon for you or anything that
you're able to talk about just yet.

1351
01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:15.479
I mean, I'm just working on
a couple couple of new ideas. There's

1352
01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:18.680
I mean, I don't know if
there's gonna be a sequel of this.

1353
01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:25.039
I published this independently through what we
call a hybrid Polisher and Austin, Texas

1354
01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:28.079
called Atmosphere Press. As you can
see with the cover, they had a

1355
01:32:28.119 --> 01:32:31.600
really great cover artist and the book
design was great. Um, but yeah,

1356
01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:35.319
I mean it was an indie production. So it's it's I'm working through

1357
01:32:35.359 --> 01:32:39.520
a couple of different ideas. I'm
probably working on what I would say was

1358
01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:43.960
a Chicago trilogy. I've got a
couple of other story ideas that I've picked

1359
01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:46.760
at and started to write. So
nothing imminent, but that's just sort of

1360
01:32:46.760 --> 01:32:51.359
part of the creative life, Okay. And where you know, for for

1361
01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:55.920
our listeners, is there you know, because you mentioned like, hey,

1362
01:32:55.960 --> 01:33:00.800
go to your local bookstore and pick
this up or to get more of your

1363
01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:02.520
work any is there a place to
go? Is there a place you know,

1364
01:33:02.880 --> 01:33:06.000
like a specific website or you know, and I'm not talking about just

1365
01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:10.520
for your for the book, but
like you know you've again you've you've had

1366
01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:15.159
some amazing uh interviews, some amazing
articles, So any anywhere where we can

1367
01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:16.920
get it all? Yeah, I
mean you can just go to my straight

1368
01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:20.000
to my website, Andy Frida dot
com. That's fried with any Uh.

1369
01:33:20.119 --> 01:33:23.439
First thing you'll see is a kind
of a pitch about the book and if

1370
01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:26.319
you're interested in the book, it'll
take it on my website or yeah,

1371
01:33:26.319 --> 01:33:29.880
you can definitely go to a local
bookstore. Um. The other tab on

1372
01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:34.359
my website is my sports writing and
there's kind of some little blurbs there about

1373
01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:40.319
some of the people I've interviewed and
been that I've been fortunate too to write

1374
01:33:40.359 --> 01:33:44.479
about. So U that would be
the place to go. And other than

1375
01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:46.479
that, I guess check out the
playlists on Spotify if you want to do

1376
01:33:46.520 --> 01:33:50.840
the music first. Excellent. Well, uh, we we definitely thank you

1377
01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:55.760
for your time today. I've had
a blast, thanks a lot this.

1378
01:33:56.159 --> 01:33:58.960
Yeah, yeah, I mean I
was going to talk to you guys all

1379
01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:01.279
right, Well, uh, you
know, hopefully we have not we've not

1380
01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:05.000
heard the last from Andy, obviously. We've we've got some unresolved issues with

1381
01:34:05.439 --> 01:34:10.399
with James Bond and and some other
stuff going on. So uh, you

1382
01:34:10.439 --> 01:34:12.479
know, Andy, I you know, we'd love to have you back,

1383
01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:15.439
you know, definitely. I can
think of a couple of things where we

1384
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:19.560
would appreciate your your your take.
So yeah, and if you guys do

1385
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:23.319
ron it and it's not you know, one of your next episodes, I'm

1386
01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:27.039
calling me for that because that's one
way keep I mean. I also think

1387
01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:30.119
of route it as like old retired, retired, old guys getting back in

1388
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:33.279
the game. But they pulled it
off though, So yeah, any any

1389
01:34:33.319 --> 01:34:38.319
like heist film or cold war film
that takes place in all the beautiful cities

1390
01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:42.119
in Europe just works. You know, that's just a formula that is fun

1391
01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:45.520
to watch. Absolutely, Andy,
thank you very much for your time.

1392
01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:51.279
Next week, Dave and Scott will
be back in the studio with our limited

1393
01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:58.840
series A Film at forty five to
discuss an excellent action adventure film from nineteen

1394
01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:03.880
seventy eight, Worse Ten from Navarone
and Brad. We are not done talking

1395
01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:09.359
about Last Action Hero in the very
near future you and I are. We're

1396
01:35:09.399 --> 01:35:14.359
heading over to the Surely You Can't
Be Serious Podcast because Jason N. D

1397
01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:20.039
want to talk about Last Action Hero
versus Alien three and what went wrong.

1398
01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:25.600
If if you've got any comments thoughts, uh, you know, we'd love

1399
01:35:25.680 --> 01:35:30.039
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1400
01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:33.479
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1401
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1402
01:35:41.039 --> 01:35:45.399
we love to love to interact with
our listeners, be at Twitter, Facebook

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or Instagram. Brad, I think
that's going to about do it for us

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this time. All Right, we'll
see you guys again. Sound saying ad,

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But as a child we all my
down my finger suntime.