Park Chan-wook - Lady Vengeance

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You know, we are no stranger
to covering thrillers on this podcast. I'm

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just curious, so refresh my memory. Do you have like a favorite,

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whether it's you know, a popular
one or a very underrated one. Popular

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Deliverance, underrated, Judgment Night,
Judgment Night? Great? Yeah, great

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call there? Uh did us Leary
an Amelia Estevez facing off one against each

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other? I haven't seen. Oh
awesome soundtrack. I haven't seen that forever.

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I needed. I need to find
that. I'll tell you if I

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was gonna go I mean obviously,
if I'm going popular, I think the

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go to for me is always going
to be Hitchcock's rear Window, but underrated

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and maybe some day we might have
to talk about it. Um. Did

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you ever see Frailty? Yeah,
with Matthew McConaughey, directed by Bay,

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directed by Bill Paxton. Yeah,
that one. That was one. Yeah.

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Well, well let's talk about a
film by Park Chan Wook is two

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thousand and five crime thriller Lady Vengeance. Hello everybody, and welcome to the

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A Film By podcast. I'm Jeff
Johnson, I am Brad Cozo Brad Today

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Uh it is we got like I
think there's like two days left Asian and

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Pacific Islander month. It has been
happening all month. We are closing out

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the month we're gonna celebrate Park chan
Wook. Yeah, did you do your

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you know kind of a tribute to
that. I just know I did.

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I bought myself five a Kira Kurasawa
films for Asian Island and Pacific or a

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month. Um, yeah, five
films and you bought. I can tell

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you it was a fantastic weekend launching
all those. Man, you not one,

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not two, but you bought fives. Hey, I went all in.

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I couldn't buy just one. I
had to. I had to get

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like you know, I got seven
Samurai of course, you know, a

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film by episodes Thrown a Blood.
Had to have that um Rashaman and the

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u Yo Jimbo send Juro um double
feature and I had never seen Sender before

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and it was fantastic. Nice.
I feel like they need to make I

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know they've done done it once or
twice here and there, but they need

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they need a definitive Kirosawa box set. Yeah, which you know I'm holding

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out for that, I think.
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Brad, I'm gonna tell you something I

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Sound good, sounds perfect? All
right? So I was talking,

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you know, we're talking. We're
talking thrillers. You know. I was

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actually the other the other day I
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Dayton Johnson, who you know,
we're talking thrillers. His go to is

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seven, which I had the privilege
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Base seventy seven podcast him and Andrew
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Yes, let's get the Lady Vengeance. I know, I know this was

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new for you, right, brand
new? Yeah? Yeah, never set

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us films by the director or the
movie. Yeah. Okay, So tell

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us a little bit about what Parks
two thousand and five thriller is all about,

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Okay, without trying to give anything
away. Um, Lee Jam Yah

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has confessed to killing a six year
old boy who was recently kidnapped. Thirteen

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years later, Lee's released from prison
and is on the hunt for the actual

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killer. Lee's ultimate revenge plan is
well calculated, pre arranged, and served

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ice cold, not just your typical
revenge thriller, and you will never see

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the twist coming in Park Chan Wook's
Lady Vengeance very nice, Brad. At

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the beginning, when you said try
not to give anything away, I was

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like, good luck, yeah,
because it's hard. You know, when

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we talked about thrillers, I don't
care if they came out, you know,

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ten days ago or ten years ago, like we d know if if

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you haven't seen it. We really
don't want to give away the big twists,

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but you know, sometimes you have
to. But yeah, yeah,

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but this movie, this movie fortunately
has a lot of really good twists.

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Yes it does. So this is
your first time seeing it, I know

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not to not to tip your hand
for later for the recommendation, but first

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impression, when you first impression,
UM, I was a little confused at

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first. But once this movie starts
going, it is very interesting. It

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is um experimental at times. UM, it's beautifully shot. UM, it's

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extremely well acted. UM. And
you know it's you get a joy out

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of some you know, revenge thrillers, and you kind of do get a

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little bit of joy out of this
of you know, this this sweet venge,

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you know, and it's and you're
trying to figure out the whole time.

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It doesn't give you everything up front. I really like that you have

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to under it has to all be
unveiled as you watch the movie, and

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I really like that. Yeah,
well, you know, like you said,

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you're a little confused in the beginning, this one kind of you have

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to peel it back a little out
of time because it's between that and the

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fact that that part Chen Wouk does
this this great thing. Like one thing

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is that he has a great visual
style. I think his movies, I

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mean they're cinematic, but they're also
they're artistic. You know, he has

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a very artistic eye. The way
he directs I think almost like dream like.

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Yeah, perfect, that is That's
exactly what I was thinking. Is

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that's what I wanted to say.
And you you hit it. You hit

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it right there on the head,
um real real, dreamlike like you're you

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know some of the stuff you like, what is this reality? Is it

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not reality? And definitely definitely engages
you. I think, Wait, the

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way he does it. Speaking of
engaging our our our female lead here,

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uh Lee Young, I think I
hope I'm saying that right, Brad.

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Apologies apologies to our our listeners in
South Korea if I'm if I'm butchering these

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names. But she plays our our
hero. Is it safe to say hero?

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Brad Our, our protagonist, our
protagonist, I say hero, yeah

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okay, uh um ya right,
yeah, okay, imprisoned, wrongfully imprisoned

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for thirteen years. Uh and now
she's out definitely. You know, we

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we've kind of covered this ground before
when we talked about we talked about Spike

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Lee's Old Boy, which was which
was a remake of Park chan Wooks Old

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Boy. Right, And so this
is a vengeance trilogy apparently by by Woke

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Our Chan Wooke. It is his
I guess maybe like Man with No Name

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trilogy in some ways. Yeah,
they're they're connected, uh in tone,

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they're connecting spiritually, like a spiritual
sequel if you will, not that you

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need to see one before the other
or or what. And I know we're

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gonna get into that in a little
bit, but I want to talk a

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little bit about jim Ya. She
plays this character ice cold, yes,

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and you have to see her at
you know, a very young age to

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you know, twenty two then thirty
three and being a bubbly the you know

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girl at times, having to do
all this stuff with the religion and you

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know, trying to convince people that
she's this reformed girl and stuff. So

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she's got a lot to do.
Yeah. I love the opening of this

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film where you kind of blitz through
the police catching her, her confessing and

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the media frenzy. The trial has
a real natural born Killers vibe to it.

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Yeah, do you agree? Yeah? Yeah, this movie has a

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lot of other things going on that
are telling the story in the background.

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Like when she's telling the story of
basically what's going on, you hear it

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being played in the background, the
screams and things that she's explaining. So

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there's a lot of that in this
movie. You have to really pay close

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attention during this movie. Yeah,
I think so. It's what it's a

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It's it's a film that lends itself
to multiple viewings because yeah, again,

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you you enjoy it, you go
back and then you start finding things you

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didn't see the first time, you
know, And that's one thing I think

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is really awesome about it. Let's
talk real quick about the villain, the

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antagonist as it were, Ye,
mister Back played by Choi minsik H.

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He is. Wow. It's an
interesting character because it, first of all,

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you don't know about this character for
probably I'm gonna say the first hour

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maybe at least okay, maybe the
first forty five minutes, so you don't

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even know this character exists, and
then this unraveling of who this person is,

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how he's connected to her, how
it's connected to the crime. It's

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just it really rolls away. And
at first you're like, oh, this

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guy's kind of moved on with his
life. He's sitting there eating dinner with

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his wife and you know, just
got the TV on the background. And

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then he decides, well, I'm
done, or at least I'm taking a

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break from my food, and just
devours his wife on the table, very

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very crudely, and you basically say, yes, this man is horrible,

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but even then you don't know how
horrible. Yeah. He It's one of

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those It's one of those villains that
just you start off and you're like,

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oh, this looks like a nice
guy, looks like a normal guy.

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Uh. But then the more we
see of him, the more he repulses

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us. Yeah, right, I
expected when when you're finding out about this

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character, I'm expecting someone very weak, very um afraid of you know,

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especially in the situation that you see
that they're going through. Did not expect

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this type of character. Now,
you know, when you watch a film

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and someone is so great at the
role of being a bad guy or someone

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that you can't stand and then you
you just you hate that person, right,

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Yeah, I think credit to uh
to mensick here, the fact that

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he is the hero in the original
Old Boy. You know that that Josh

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Brolin plays in the US remake.
He plays day su Uh in an Old

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Boy. So the idea and then
and again we talked about Spirituals, the

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Spiritual sequel. You know, it's
a loose you know, it's a trilogy

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in tone. You know, you
can't have the hero of Old Boy be

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the villain of Lady Vengeance because that
would just would never work, right.

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But this guy's awesome. Uh,
I'm talking about the man himself. CHOI

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not not mister back. He is
not awesome. He he's a scumbag.

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So yes, he's very very very
bad, very very bad man, very

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bad man. Yeah. So we
talked a little bit about how this a

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lot of this stuff almost dream like, Um, what would you say,

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Brad as far as like how this
movie begins, like because at first,

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like I said, you got the
media blitz, the Trial of the Century.

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They're talking about how, you know, pop culture has kind of taken

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to Jumiya, you know, like
the adapt that that kind of like how

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we how we have in the States, you know, with serial killer culture,

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right, they're they're all for you
know, and it's terrible because like

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she's she confesses to kidnapping and murdering
a six year old boy. Yeah,

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and not only that they to get
a full conviction, they basically do a

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uh is it like a mock um
crime scene, you know, retelling so

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to see could this person physically do
this? Could they physically bind the child?

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Could they physically move them? And
she does it and she shows how

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she you know, killed the kid
and stuff, and you're just like,

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how is You're you're still you're wondering, how did this happen? How did

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this happen? How is she?
You know, she's innocent, but you're

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still trying to figure out how.
And once it finally comes into to realize

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that what happened, it's it totally
makes sense. Well, you know,

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like you said, like, you
know, she's innocent, but the first

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time I saw this a while ago, I didn't know that. Because she

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does confess, and even when she's
under police interrogation where they're trying to they're

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trying to push her, you know
that to where you know, they're kind

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of insinuating that she couldn't be the
killer. Yeah, she's trying to do

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their boy. Yeah, she's doing
her best to convince them. On top

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of that, in prison, she
is talking about how like, yeah,

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I killed I killed the kid,
and yeah, you know, yeah,

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she's got the voice of an age. She's got she's she's an angel.

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Well yeah, but I still,
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If I'm an angel, how can
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reveal on who mister Back really is, we're pulling we're doing the same thing

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with Jumia because I initially I was
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who who I'm rooting for? Like, I don't care that she's been you

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know, imprisoned and wronged because she's
a child murderer. Right, So kudos

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to you man, because you saw
you saw a little bit. It sounds

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like you saw a little bit faster
than I did as far as like her

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innocence goes No, No, I
mean I think I was like, all

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right, stay with this character.
It's it's gonna have some kind of it's

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all gonna come together somehow, whether
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whether she had a gun pointed at
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revealed, and I know, we
don't try to do spoilers, but I

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feel this is an underrated movies,
so I don't want to spoil too much

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because I think people will watch it
after listening to this. But once you

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figure it out, you're a lot
more invested in her because you're watching half

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the movie rooting for this person.
But is this person a good person or

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not? Yeah, you're not really
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some of the she does that I
know that we'll get to are questionable,

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but I know why she does them
and the effect that she needs for them.

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character that is seeking both. She
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also wants revenge for for what's happened
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those amazing things where yeah, we
think she's an an evil person, then

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we realize she's not. But but
is that right? Because she goes to

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prison and becomes a bad person.
Is that fair to say because she you

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know, she she does kill someone
in prison. Yeah, but it's prison,

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this this person that you know she
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a really good person. And but
doing what she does by getting all these

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alliances together, yes, swarming this
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you know, once the one girl
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it started thirteen years ago, as
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all right, here we go.
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love the storytelling device where we get
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in prison with her, you know
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So there's some time jumps in this
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time jumps. And I think it's
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It could it'd be easy for him
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a couple, you know, quick
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the way they did it coo,
you know, because it's uh, you

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know, you get like a quick
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like what was their crime and you
see why they're gonna they're gonna gravitate

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to uh to jum Ya, and
why they're gonna follow her lead and the

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idea of her building this this team
to extract or revenge. I absolutely love

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it. I love it. I
love the film for for for that that

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use of it. It's like the
real Oceans eight. This this is your

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this is the the rated R Ocean's
eight. Yeah, you know, uh,

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we're not gonna, We're not gonna
steal it. We're not gonna knock

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off h like Casino. We're gonna
Yeah, we're gonna murder somebody, you

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know, but you know, still
love it. Still love it real quick

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before I get away from it.
Uh. The music. And I apologize

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because I'm I'm I'm blanking on the
the Gentleman's name. I really like the

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music in this. It has like
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But I was doing some research,
Brad, and I apologize because I

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was scraping the barrel looking for any
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couldn't find anything. I don't know. I don't know about you, but

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one thing I found that was kind
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for the score is, uh,
it's from Vivaldi and the piece in question

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actually is the story about a woman
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Really yeah, so I thought that
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sure we'll we'll use it as our
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I just I really dug the music. Yeah, I thought the music was

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really good. There was a lot
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pieces going together with the snow stuff. Yeah, the music really did did

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work really well. Let's talk about
the U And I know we got to

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be careful here because we don't want
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Brad, not your favorite scene,
not the best scene it was.

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Is there a pivotal moment in here
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like, whoa, that's that's a
beautiful when she um when she has her

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monologue of explaining it all, when
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when she yeah, I mean she
explains it all exactly why she's doing

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what she needs to do. And
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story, you hear the screams in
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thought that was a really well done
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around the room at the same time, and you're just you have to go

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on this story with this woman.
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scenes that I just cracked up on. It wasn't a pivotal scene, but

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there's a scene where they're all all
these people are sitting there and they're just

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passing over these raincoats. It's very
a lot like like, here's this yours,

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you know, this is here's your
weapon, and it was just it

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was so it was kind of funny, and there's a few things in here

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that are are funny. So yes, it's a very very dark movie.

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comical reliefs. Um a lot of them

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provided by the boy working at the
bakery itself. But um, there are

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some take it easy. Yeah,
we're doing a deep, deep movie here,

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but still a movie. And there's
some good comical scenes in it too.

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But that's my pivotal one. I
I like your your your your choice.

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One thing I really like about it, like you said, you the

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layering of you know, her telling
her, we recounting her recounting the story

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that telling us the truth, you
know, because as she's telling the U

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the kid from the bakery, she's
she's telling us, she's letting she's finally

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letting us know and hearing those those
screams kind of kind of kind of floating

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along her her dialogue. It's really
haunting, really really dark. Uh.

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I love that moment for her,
though, because I feel like that's a

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that's it's a sense of empowerment for
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and maybe it's the culture over there, but it's pointed out several times

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about how beautiful Juma is, you
know, how how young and beautiful she

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is. I like that moment because
she kind of shea It's an empowering moment

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for her with the with the the
kid for the bakery because and we say

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kid, but you know, he's
nineteen. Yeah, so's he's a kid.

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Yeah he's a kid. Yeah her
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him, so she's he's a kid. But I love I love the fact

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that she's not the typical damsel.
She's not the typical you know, he's

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not trying to you know, because
they have a they have a an encounter

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We'll just say a little vision quest
encounter. Yeah, a little little,

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little, little little Linda Fioranno actually
happening there. But I dig it because

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he is the one that's that's a
little int he's intimidated, he is scared.

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about the scene. Um, I'm
gonna give you a different pivo pivotal moment.

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This was the one for me because
yours was. I was feeling that

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until just a little bit further along
in the movie. And I'll be and

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I'll be very careful because I don't
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cell phone, Yeah, the charming, Yeah, because you're still kind of

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baffled. You see the red marble, Okay, but you really don't know

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what the other ones are once we
and I'm not trying to to really tease

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or or or uh frustrate our listeners
right now, but the marble. We

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know what the marble signifies, we
know what that we know how important that

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marble is to this movie. And
once you see the marble in relation to

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the other charms, it breaks the
story wide open. And Brad, you

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talked about the twists that this movie
takes and right there I was like,

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whoa, this just got a lot
darker, it just got a lot deeper,

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and I'm I'm all in now,
like you know, let's let's let's

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keep going. And I thought the
movie was over at this point. At

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this point you're like, okay,
I think this is the end, and

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then the movie changes again and you're
just like okay, um, because you

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I would have been satisfied, but
you get this like bonus of story that

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just makes it so much more compelling
and so much more of you just want

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to destroy this mister back and you
want you want, you want Lady Vengeance

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to get her her vengeance. Yeah. This uh, in a way,

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this movie has that that Return of
the King ending where you get like a

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couple endings because I thought, okay, great play, I used to end

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this and justice has served and then
the ending? Can we can we talk

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about the ending without giving you know, to talk. I wanted to ask

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you about one specific scene. Okay, here, why don't we do this?

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Why don't we do this for our
listeners? Brad, if you are,

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if you're all in and you don't
like spoilers, go check out Lady

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Vengeance and real quick you could.
It's streaming free on two by Pluto TV.

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It's on Prime. For those of
you that don't want any spoilers from

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here on out, go watch it
and then come right back to us.

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Brad, I feel like we're safe
now, so let's let's do what we

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want to do. So the scene
where she has all the videos and she's

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going to show the parents. Yeah, Now, this scene is actually very

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hard to watch, and as it's
happening, I'm seeing myself going I think

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this was a wrong choice for the
director. I think it was a wrong

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choice to show this because this is
really difficult to watch. But then it

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was done, and she's explaining everything
to the parents there, and I don't

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think she would have got the reaction
for them against Beck if she wouldn't have

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shown that. They wouldn't have gone
in if she wouldn't have shown it.

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Was it somewhat unorthodoxed and cruel maybe, but now they all share this secret,

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you know. But yeah, like
she said, you know, because

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I'm like, she should have just
taken it to the cops. And but

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like I said, when the scene
first happened, I'm like, I don't

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know if I like this, but
she had to do it, and so

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I wanted to ask you, do
you think that was necessary or could she

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have just told them? I think
it's very necessary and it's very necessary for

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the film. I'm so glad that
we continued on because you've once we realize

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that Beck has done this several times
and she's got him. I mean,

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this is a situation where your child's
been missing for years, you know,

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in some cases like ten years,
and your child you know they were found,

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you know, never found, or
they were found murdered. And then

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someone says, out of the blue, someone pulls you in and says,

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hey, I here, I'm gonna
I'm gonna show you what happened to your

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child, and I'm gonna let you
choose what happens to uh, your child's

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killer. Right that it's such a
hard scene to watch, Brad, And

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I imagine you know, you're a
you're a new father, so that had

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got hard to watch this scene.
Yeah, well, anytime you see children

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in danger, Yeah, it's a
hard it's a hard scene to watch because

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this this guy, he's sick,
he is he's kind of made these like

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a little little home movies. Yeah, as his keepsakes. You know,

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serial killers love trophies, and this
is his his trophy. He has,

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he has his charms, and he
has his uh you know, he has

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his little little little video cassettes.
M jum Ya is she becomes in this

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in this moment, she becomes judge, jury and executioner. But she also

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brings brings this group of parents in
and it now becomes where it's just one

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person going after revenge. Now you
gotta you gott a lynch mob on your

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friends. And it is I mean, uh Park chan Wook, his his

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his films are known for their their
brutal sense of violence. Yeah, because

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I can tell you, I mean
you saw Old Boy, you saw the

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Spike Lee, Old Boy Brad,
I can tell you his version of Old

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Boy. It it dials it up
when it comes to the brutal violence and

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the torture stuff. But I love
the scene because she willingly you know.

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And I think this is like where
she goes from vengeance to atonement. She's

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trying to do right, She's trying
to make make good on this. Uh.

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So she she does this thing where
it's like, hey, here's what

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he did. What do you guys? You we all have to choose,

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we all have to agree together.
I love that moment. I absolutely love

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the whole thing. HM. Now, since you kind of had a fun

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little you know, like, hey, here's my pivotal moment. But here's

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something I thought was funny. You
know you mentioned the raincoats, the passing

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of the passing out of the raincoats. How about the uh, the let's

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have some coffee and cake scene,
because that's the one where I was like,

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uh, I laughed because I was
like, but it was like an

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uncomfortable laugh. I was like,
is this is this what we're doing?

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After yeah, after the fact that
they yeah, and they're all looking around,

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going this is really good cake.
They're all like you get their um

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reactions to the cake and they're like, this is this is this is delicious?

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Yeah, It's it's such a it's
such a displaced moment because you have

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to ask you if you're in this, if you're in such a traumatic situation,

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uh, you know, or a
moment where you're sharing it with a

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collective group of other traumatized people.
I guess it's in our nature to just

406
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.680
define something. You know, people
people talk about the weather, but you

407
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:15.880
know, this situation, this is
some great this is some good, delicious

408
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:19.119
cake and it's a tribute to all
their children. So I thought it was

409
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.640
a really nice thing. Yeah,
well yeah, the happy Birthday thing was.

410
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.720
It was heartfelt. Yeah, let's
take a quick break, but when

411
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:32.039
we get back, we're gonna talk
about director Park Chan Wook Hi. I'm

412
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:37.200
dating the host of the Documents seventy
seven podcast. We talk about everything from

413
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:42.599
Anthrax to the Muppets to West Side
Story. All right, boys, buckle

414
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.599
up because we have hit the bottom
of the barrel. Because he slaughters all

415
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:51.079
the Tuscan Raiders. The fact that
she stays by his side, that that

416
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:52.720
tells me everything I need to know
about these women that write letters to serial

417
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.319
killers in prison. You know,
it makes it made sense. You know

418
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:06.000
Moby Young Sad always dumped Tim.
That was the song. You know when

419
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:12.440
you listen, Tim, did you
have the volume on? The witches are

420
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.680
definitely much more nightmare fuel, But
the fact that they look like the Texas

421
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:22.480
Chainsaw centerfolds m if jancof Thatt is
so awesome. He's hired to be cloned.

422
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.000
Why the hell isn't he doing the
job. He's like, my client's

423
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.920
getting impatient. What you slack ass
mother? Why don't you do it?

424
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:34.279
You know you're just check us out
on Apple podcast, Good Pods, pod

425
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:39.759
Bean, or wherever you get your
podcasts. And we're back everybody. We

426
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:45.880
are talking about Lady Vengeance and it's
director Park Chan Wook. Now, this

427
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:47.640
is the first film I've seen of
his. But Jeff, you're a little

428
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.759
bit more familiar with the director's work. I wish I was more familiar with

429
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:57.160
his work because he is a fantastic
director. I can tell you a little

430
00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.559
bit about him, though, just
because he's I feel like he's a little

431
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:05.079
new too of us. Born in
Seoul, South Korea, he studied philosophy

432
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:09.719
at the Sogang University. This is
something I think that, uh, we

433
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:13.880
definitely would appreciate or we do,
we should appreciate it about him, Brad.

434
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.119
It's it's at school. He starts
his own cinema club called the Sogang

435
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:24.039
Film Community, and he starts publishing
articles on contemporary cinema. Oh that's something

436
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.800
that you and I would have done. Yeah, I like that I should

437
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.639
have done when we were in college. Right, Uh, originally he was

438
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:36.760
there, he had he had intended
to become an art critic. But Brad,

439
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:40.800
we're talking thrillers. Today, he
sees Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo and decides to

440
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.639
be a filmmaker. Now, Brad, I know when it comes to Hitchcock,

441
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.440
isn't that your favorite? I think
so. I think it's definitely one

442
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:52.360
of my favorites. Um. It's
just a very good, um, creepy,

443
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.280
you know tale that just keeps I
keep finding new things in it.

444
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.320
Yeah, I mean you, I
mean you've you've even walked You've walked the

445
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:08.079
film locations? Yeah, yeah,
to um yeah, I can't remember the

446
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:12.079
area right now, but I've been
to it with the horse the horse place.

447
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:16.519
Yeah. After school, he works
as an assistant director on two films

448
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:22.719
before making his directorial debut, a
little film called The Moon is the Sun's

449
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:28.320
Dream in nineteen ninety two. Did
you catch that one? No, this

450
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:32.920
is my first I did not either. Five years later, in nineteen eighty

451
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:37.519
seven, he makes his second film
called Trio. I didn't see it.

452
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.719
I know you didn't see it.
Guess what, most people didn't see it.

453
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:47.480
Because his first two films out the
gate, Brad very poorly, poorly

454
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:52.239
received and uh, you know,
not successful with the box office. And

455
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.039
that is why he becomes a film
critic to make a living. Okay,

456
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.440
nothing wrong with that, Nothing wrong
with that. Yeah, we're we're critics,

457
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:01.760
so we know what. We know
what he's talking about. Now.

458
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:07.320
In two thousand, he directs a
film called Joint Security Area. It is

459
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:15.039
commercially and critically successful. It becomes
the most watched film ever made in South

460
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:20.880
Korea. And if you want one
more unusual accolade for this film, Quentin

461
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:25.800
Tarantino, who obviously is a big
fan of Park Chan Wook Tarantino says,

462
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:31.000
this film but kind of you know, people know as JSA. Tarantino says,

463
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:36.119
it's one of the top twenty films
since nineteen ninety two. Well,

464
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.840
it's definitely worth given at least a
try. We got tried. Yeah,

465
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:45.760
absolutely, I like this. During
an interview in twenty seventeen, Park says,

466
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:52.159
many people know my directorial debut is
Joint Security Area, and I want

467
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.719
to keep it that way. With
that, said, Brad, I know

468
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.920
he's done about twenty pictures, and
you know, you've seen this one and

469
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:06.360
I've seen three others, so I
kind of feel, you know, like

470
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.320
we should just kind of jump around, skip around, mention a couple of

471
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.559
them. If you're good right that. Yeah, yeah, it sounds good.

472
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:17.159
All right, all right, sounds
good. So after Joint Security Area

473
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:23.239
in two thousand, we're gonna skip
ahead to two thousand and two. Sympathy

474
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:29.400
from Mister Vengeance. Now, this
is the first one in the quote unquote

475
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:34.960
Vengeance trilogy. He wrote it and
he directs it. I'm gonna tell you,

476
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:39.360
because it's available out there. If
you it sounds like a it sounds

477
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:44.519
like you're really digging lady Vengeance.
I'm definitely gonna recommend that you check out

478
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.119
Sympathy from Mister Vengeance. Oh I
want to see the trilogy now, yeah,

479
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:51.159
you have to. You can't just
watch one more. It's fantastic.

480
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:55.639
Two thousand and three, he does
the second film, Old Boy, which

481
00:37:55.760 --> 00:38:05.400
again stars Choi Min Sick as the
lead protagonist that we saw Josh Brolin play

482
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:10.079
in the Spike Lee remake. I
would love to hear your thoughts on on

483
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.360
Wooke's Old Boy, because I know
you've seen you know, we've obviously we've

484
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.760
talked about Spike Lee's version. I
would love to hear what you have to

485
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.800
say about it, and I know
we can. I'm bummed that we can't

486
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.360
really get into it and talk about
it, because I think you would have

487
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.719
a lot of great things to say
about this. So you got to check

488
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:29.840
it out. Man. Well,
I really would like to see it.

489
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.039
And I don't know if it's the
rest of the country, but I do

490
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:35.719
know in Los Angeles it is being
rereleased for its twentieth anniversary, back in

491
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.719
the theater for a little while,
So old boy coming back to theaters.

492
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:43.559
You gotta go check it out.
I'd like to. Yeah, I like,

493
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:46.119
yeah, you gotta go. Ya'll
tell you what you go, you

494
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.920
check it out. We might have
to do like a follow up to this

495
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.239
little Old Old Boy review. Yeah, Wilke verse Lee, how about that

496
00:38:54.639 --> 00:39:00.159
sounds good? All right? We've
been talking about Sympathy for Lady Vengeance,

497
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:05.719
uh otherwise known as Lady Vengeance,
Brad. This is one of those odd

498
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.119
odd titles where it's it's got a
couple it goes by a couple different names.

499
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.599
It's uh so Sympathy for Lady Vengeance. And you said, I think

500
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:21.360
it's Russia where it's called that or
yeah, but yeah, it's it's a

501
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.760
couple of different names. He has
that with another film, like it's called

502
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:29.400
like something else, you know besides
that. But Um, but yeah,

503
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.599
I mean it's it's Lady Vengeance.
I just like you said, it's part

504
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:36.360
of this Vengeance trilogy. You know. It starts with Sympathy from Mister Vengeance,

505
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:42.360
includes Old Boy, and uh concludes
with Lady Vengeance. Yeah, listeners

506
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.679
the fastest way to find it if
you're searching for it to stream it,

507
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.119
Uh, just type in Lady Vengeance
and uh and you'll get to it.

508
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.639
Because oddly enough, if you sit
there, do you take the time to

509
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.039
type out sympathy for You're never gonna
find it. Simple. Yeah, sympathy

510
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:59.800
for mister Vengeance will pop up pretty
quick, but Lady Vengeance not so much.

511
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.719
Um. Now, a film I've
never seen of his, and I

512
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.599
didn't know he directed until very recently
that I've always wanted to see is two

513
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:12.159
thousand and nine Thirst. Have you
ever seen this? I have not.

514
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.599
I would like to see this.
Do you have a little bit of background

515
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.480
you can tell the I know,
through a failed to medical experiment, a

516
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:24.920
priest is stricken with vampirism and is
forced to abandon asthetic ways. And I've

517
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:30.960
heard on this movie shows up on
a lot of lists of you know,

518
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:36.119
underrated horror films or best vampire films. That one's always on there, and

519
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.159
so I'd really like to check out
Thirst. We got to check out Thirst.

520
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:42.519
Uh he he writes this, he
directs it, he produces it.

521
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:47.440
Um. It's a couple of years
later, twenty thirteen. I am familiar

522
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.800
with his work in twenty thirteen bread
So one one project I don't know if

523
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:58.039
you saw he uh he wrote it
or I'm sorry he directed it, did

524
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:02.480
not write it. A film called
Stoker, starring Nicole Kidman, Dermot Mulrooney

525
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:09.280
and uh that Mia Wassakowska. I
think, yeah, I think Matthe yeah,

526
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:15.199
Matthew Goods in it. Yeah.
It is a very uh how do

527
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.239
I say it? Uh? You
know again thriller, not not brutally violent

528
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:23.880
like Lady Vengeance, but in a
haunting way, you know, um mysterious

529
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.880
if if you would, I thought
this was kind of cool. He actually

530
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:36.199
when when Woke got got his hands
on on Stoker, he knew it.

531
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:38.519
It had to be Nicole Kitman had
to be Nicole Kidman in the lead.

532
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:45.440
Fun fact about it, though,
Brad she was not wanting to travel overseas

533
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:49.199
and be away from her family,
and they were like wanting to push and

534
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.199
say, hey, find someone else. He says, no, this is

535
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:54.960
a guy. Now, if we
didn't mention it before, Park does not

536
00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:00.719
speak any English, okay, really
he uses he uses an interpreter on set,

537
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:06.119
and all his films are you know, are made in South Korea.

538
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:13.000
Until we get to Stoker. He
actually decides to relocate the story to Nashville,

539
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.159
and the house, like the main
setting that they use in the movie

540
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.920
is like about a ten minute drive
from Nicole Kimmin's actual house. So that's

541
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.280
how he kind of convinces her to
take on the roll. She's like,

542
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:27.960
I don't want to leave my family. He goes, yeah, you won't

543
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.280
have to be home every night for
dinner. Okay, that we're pretty awesome,

544
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.199
right Yeah. Now, I'm gonna
cheat here because he didn't write it,

545
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.599
he didn't direct it, but he
didn't produce it. And I know

546
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.079
you've seen this, brat because I
love it. I'm a fan of this

547
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:45.119
one, the sci fi, the
dystopian sci fi thriller, Snow Piercer.

548
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.679
You know it's Snow Piercer. I'm
gonna have to give another chance. I

549
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.920
was not a big fan of it
the first time I saw it. I

550
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:58.159
no I wasn't wasn't a big fan
of it, but I would definitely give

551
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:02.559
that a second chance Sunday, Brad, it needs a second chance Sunday.

552
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.039
Now, I'll be honest. I
really wasn't a fan of the television series

553
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.239
that they tried to do, that
they tried to adapt. But the film

554
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:15.280
itself is awesome. Chris Evans,
you know, you know when you need

555
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:19.400
a chance to say, Hey,
I want to see Chris Evans, but

556
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.320
I don't want to see Captain America
right snow, Piercer Man, It's it's

557
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:27.840
awesome. A couple of years after
that, now you know we're talking.

558
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.559
I know he has got some critical
acclaim for a movie called The Handmaiden.

559
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.559
Okay, I have not seen it, Brad. It came out to twenty

560
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:38.280
sixteen. Again, he writes,
directs, and produces The Handmaiden. I

561
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:43.480
know it. Uh, it was
big on the award circuit. One one

562
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.199
quite a few things. I want
to see it. Do you know anything

563
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:52.440
about it? I know nothing about
it. I'm looking at the information right

564
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:58.239
now. But I mean, I
from what I've experienced with this one movie,

565
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.639
this is definitely a director I'm going
to give another chance, you know,

566
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:06.559
I mean, he you know,
you entertained me. You showed me

567
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.159
a different kind of movie. And
like I said, you you threw me

568
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:14.800
for twist, you lived up on
that, you stuck to the landing each

569
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:19.840
time. I'm gonna keep seeing more
of your stuff. Having having seen the

570
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:25.519
Vengeance Trilogy and Stoker, The Handmaiden
is next on my list, just because

571
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:30.559
again this guy has his His visual
style is fantastic. He knows how to

572
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:35.880
direct a film. Uh if we
didn't need, you know, not that

573
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.360
we need more reasons to go and
to go see The Handmaiden. I know

574
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:45.159
it wins Best Film at the British
Academy Film Awards. It was it competed

575
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.880
for the Palm Dior a can in
twenty sixteen. So I'm all in.

576
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.719
I'm all in on this guy.
I want to see more of his stuff.

577
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.639
Uh now I'm gonna I'm gonna throw
a loop. I'm gonna I'm gonna

578
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.360
throw you for a loop here,
Brad. I got a question, you

579
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.760
know, because we always like to
talk about what we would like to see

580
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:06.679
from the director next, right,
okay, yea, And I don't know

581
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.440
that you and I right now,
right now, I don't know that you

582
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:13.800
and I are qualified, you know, until we see a little bit more

583
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.599
of his work, right right,
right, So I'm gonna cheat. I'm

584
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:22.119
gonna ask you because I know you're
a huge fan of Spike Lee's Old Boy

585
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:29.079
remake, and I kind of feel
like this this story would translate well just

586
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:34.239
as well as Old Boy. So
my question to you if a US remake

587
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.639
was going to happen. You're the
producer on this one, Brad Yep,

588
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:42.199
I want to know who's going to
direct it and who's gonna star in it

589
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:50.360
as as Jumia Okay Lady Vengeance directed
by Robert Edgers, starring Anna Taylor Joy.

590
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:53.519
Wow, I was about to school
you, man. I thought I

591
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:58.360
had a great answer, and I
thought I kind of threw that at you,

592
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:00.960
thinking like you're just like, well, no, let me think about

593
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:06.440
here. Damn. That's a good
answer. Somebody with a great visual style,

594
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:13.360
somebody that's not afraid to do the
obscure, and we need somebody that's

595
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:20.960
got a very trusting leading lady that
can go from young to older very easily

596
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.280
and can look like somebody that could
be manipulated but then also be very strong.

597
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:29.519
So there's my team. Oh man, you know we were just a

598
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.320
couple. What was it like two
weeks ago we were talking with filmmakers Stimpson

599
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:37.159
sneed you guys. I thought,
is this about to turn into an Egger's

600
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:39.280
podcast? Because you guys are you
know? I mean, I don't get

601
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:43.880
me wrong. I love the Lighthouse
and I love I love the Northman.

602
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:45.920
But I was like, man,
these we're all in on this guy.

603
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.119
Yeah, and now that you're thinking, now that I'm thinking about the Lighthouse

604
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:54.199
seeing Edgar's style, Yeah, with
a move with you know again woke has

605
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:58.840
that dream like you know, prepy
vibe going through that this whole thing?

606
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:04.719
All right? Do you say,
William Dafoe as Beck, Oh see,

607
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:09.239
now you're just making I care.
I don't know if I can compete with

608
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:14.280
you now, Okay, okay,
yes, what do you have? All

609
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:19.519
right? I was quick to as
far as my director I was. I

610
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.639
was immediately looking at Emerald Finnel,
who a lot of people don't know her

611
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:29.199
name, but we know. Uh. One of her most recent films Promising

612
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:32.639
Young Woman with Carrie Mulligan. Okay, remember that, remember that, like

613
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:37.320
it's again a woman on a revenge
story. Yeah, that's a great movie

614
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:42.039
too. It's a great movie,
So I thought she was my first thought,

615
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.079
and I was like, you know
what, She's kind of been in

616
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.639
this territory before, so that's a
little too easy. So I'm gonna give

617
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:54.239
I'm gonna give a I mentioned to
uh Lynn Ramsey. You probably remember her,

618
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:59.360
Brad. I think her most famous
film is probably we need to talk

619
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:04.000
about Kevin from like uh eleven,
maybe two thousand and ten, something like

620
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:08.280
that, But it's her film you
were never really here in twenty seventeen with

621
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:14.360
Joaquin Phoenix. Have you seen that? Okay, it's on Prime? I

622
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:19.000
think, uh that's at least I
saw it on Prime last year and just

623
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:22.719
loved it. So it's got that
dark, foreboding revenge kind of vibe to

624
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:29.840
it. So I'm I'm gonna go
with Lynn Ramsey and man, I had

625
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.039
I had Sydney Sweeney all set to
take on this role because we need someone

626
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.679
that can play nineteen, can also
play maybe thirty, and you know,

627
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:44.960
as the cinematic beauty that that Jumya
has. But I'm really digging your your

628
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.880
answer, I don't know, listeners. Lets let us know. Let us

629
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.559
know once we post the episode.
What do you guys think? Yeah,

630
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.159
let it. Let us know are
you know you guys are the producer.

631
00:48:54.440 --> 00:49:01.679
Brad is pitching um the US remake
with Roberts starring Anna teller Joy and he's

632
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:05.440
he just he he pulls in Willem
to foe. So I don't know if

633
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:09.400
I can compete with that. I'm
going with uh with Lynn Ramsey, uh

634
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:14.440
and Sydney Sweeney. So let us
know who you're backing. There's a team

635
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:16.519
Brad or team Jeff because uh,
yeah, Brad, I I know I

636
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:22.639
know recently, uh you you got
some some acclaim online Brad. Yeah,

637
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.880
I think I think it was a
star with Brad this time because you know,

638
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.079
you know, I think he had
the right answer here. So we'll

639
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:30.440
uh, we'll see what we'll see
what they have to say this time.

640
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.840
Absolutely, Brad, I think it's
safe to say I know the answer.

641
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:39.159
But uh, let's talk about your
your recommendation for this film. Um absolutely,

642
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:44.119
uh see this film um uh,
like I said, you can see

643
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:49.519
it on. I saw it on
to be a quick reference for anybody watching

644
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:53.280
on tb um. But he said, the film is um, you know,

645
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.320
in a different language. You have
to put on the closed captioning to

646
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:01.920
get the subtitles. You we will
get Korean subtitles when some of the English

647
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:06.320
language comes on, but when you
hit the closed captioning, it will only

648
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:09.440
play the subtitles. They won't play
like the crack of sounds, you know,

649
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:13.880
coming from the inside. It's just
basics something. So just hit close

650
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:19.079
captioning and you should be good.
Okay, first off, thank you for

651
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.760
for letting them know, because you
know, I love to be That was

652
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.000
the first place I went to watch
this, and the film starts, you

653
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.400
know, we get like the yeah, we get the things, we get

654
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.239
the yeah we well even before that
with the title screens, you get like

655
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.320
the South Korean uh on the on
the screen, but then you also have

656
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:40.760
the English next to it, right, yeah, and there's a couple of

657
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:45.559
songs that are in English. You
hear too. Yeah, So they're singing

658
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:47.280
and it's like, okay, well
here's the song. But then when when

659
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:51.639
the the cast starts talking, I
was long. I was like, wait,

660
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.800
where's yeah, just subtimes. So
I actually I did not do the

661
00:50:54.840 --> 00:51:00.400
detective work like you. I jumped
right over to Pluto TV where it's also

662
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:05.639
streaming, and Pluto had it set
up to where you know, at least,

663
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.320
I don't know. Maybe I did
it with my remote, maybe I

664
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.119
didn't, but it was it was
It had the subtitle this is this is

665
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:15.000
not what you Yeah, this is
not one that you're going to find a

666
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:17.599
US dub though, right at least
I couldn't see it. I couldn't find

667
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:22.440
anywhere. So, but there's a
lot this movie is very visual, you

668
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:28.360
know, it's it's has dialogue,
but it's it's more of a visual movie,

669
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:32.239
you know, of just seeing people's
reactions and and just following the story

670
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.039
as it goes, you know.
So it's not hugely important. But you

671
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.679
know, if if you do not
like watching subtitle the movie the subtitle,

672
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.199
you're not going to be overloaded.
I agree. Now, if you do

673
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:50.360
not like brutal violence, do not
watch. This might not be the one

674
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.599
for you. But if you don't
mind it, or you're like, yes,

675
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:58.519
get that guy it is, it
is definitely uh something that you might

676
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:00.559
be up for. All right,
what do we got coming up next week

677
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:07.079
on a film by I am very
excited for next week a film at forty

678
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:14.719
five. Our good friends Scott and
Dave. They have been just doing an

679
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:20.119
amazing job on our our latest limited
series a film at forty five, Brad,

680
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:23.000
they are going to be talking about
what I feel is probably the best

681
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:28.280
movie of nineteen seventy eight, definitely
my favorite movie of nineteen seventy eight.

682
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:34.159
I'm talking about Superman. Oh,
it's it's time. It's time for the

683
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:40.119
Superman. It is time, and
Brad, these guys are talking with Aaron

684
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:46.840
Smolensky. Aaron who plays the young
Superman in the film. He is gonna

685
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:51.400
be here in the studio with him. He's talking to him about the film,

686
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:55.000
about his experiences. I am so
excited to hear what he has to

687
00:52:55.039 --> 00:53:00.320
say about the film and and how
that's gonna all gonna go down. I

688
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.199
think it might be time to break
out the Superman collection. The fact that

689
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:08.760
they're actually talking to someone who plays
Superman in the nineteen seventy eight film,

690
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:12.920
A man, I'm jealous. That's
all. That's all I can tell you.

691
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.639
I usually watch that film at least
once a year, and now I

692
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:21.400
have a special reason to watch it. So yeah, join us next week

693
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:27.039
as we as we talk with the
Scott and Dave and h and Aaron Smilinsky.

694
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.599
All right, I've enjoyed talking about
Lady Vengeance Jeff, I know you

695
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:35.159
have, and we want to thank
everybody for listening and we will see you

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next time.