Jan. 26, 2026

Ron Howard - A Beautiful Mind

Ron Howard - A Beautiful Mind
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Season 7A Film By...

Jeff and Angela discuss Ron Howard's academy award winning film about brilliant mathematician John Nash in the 2001 biographical film A Beautiful Mind.

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I'm a little curious. Let me put the scene together

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for you. You're at the bar, okay, you make eyes

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with a very attractive guy. He takes initiative, he comes over,

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and then he says, I don't know what I need

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to say to you to have intercourse, but can we

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assume I said it and go straight to the sex? Angela,

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are you do you have a shot or are you

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slapping his face?

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Honestly, I would probably hear the guy, Oh, I've never

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been approached like that before, and you know I you

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know I'm no longer in my twenty So yeah, let's

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just cut to the chase.

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Man.

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But I would want to argue any good at it?

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Is it gonna be worth my while?

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Definitely?

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To quote from Sleepless in Seattle, conversation and verbal ability

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is highly overrated in a man, So you know U well.

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More on John Nash's lack of dating etiquette later, probably,

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But let's talk about a film by Ron Howard, his

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two thousand and one John Nash biopic A Beautiful Mind.

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Hello everybody, I'm Jeff.

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Johnson and I'm Angela Norris.

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And this is a film by podcast Angela. Welcome back,

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Welcome to season seven. Thank you, been waiting for you

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to been waiting for you to walk back in that door,

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happy to have you.

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Thanks.

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Can I before we jump in, can I give you

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a quick top three list? Okay, sure, all right, I'm

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gonna give you top three most annoying commercials. Okay, Number

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number three the pharmacy drugs where you get to see

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people like living like wonderful lives and you know, symptoms

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may include and you know side effects man include death

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and dismember and ask your doctor if Vasutra Treks is

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right for you. Those I can't stand those, Yes, more

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so though. At number two, I've got online casinos because

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they got to they gotta add all the tones and

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the bells and the buzzers from the casino, and they're

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so they're so damn annoying. I hate those commercials.

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Yeah. Well, the latest one I've seen is Ryan Seacres

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and he bugs me so, yes, doubly annoying.

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I was listening to a podcast just a couple of

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weeks ago, and the commercial break it had, like I

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ended up hearing that Ryan Secrets one like six times,

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and I just I thought, I've never met the guy,

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but I want to punch him in the face. That's

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that's how I reacted, you know.

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My visceral reaction to him too.

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Yes, and I'm apologizing because you know, the irony is

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that someone is We're gonna go to a commercial break

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later and it will probably have the Ryan Secrets online casino.

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But number one on you, Jeff, but overall, the number

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one I can't stand, and it's it's any of them

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that have that AI voice narrating the product. You know,

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you see a lot of those on YouTube, I think,

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but you can tell there's like there's like four distinct

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AI voices that a lot of commercials are using. I

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just I can't stand.

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Them dismissing a lot of the human talent out there.

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But what does any of this have to do with

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a beautiful mind?

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May I ask?

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An excellent perk ANGELA.

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Three things you may not know about Ron Howard and

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a quote.

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Okay, well I didn't know this that. I'm so sorry.

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Did I jump the gun? I'm sorry.

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I usually I'm usually liked the three things in a

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quote person. Yeah, no, no, no, you have Do you have

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three things in a quote? I didn't know you did that?

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I do.

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I'm sorry.

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I thought I was supposed to contribute.

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Okay, okay, well you know what. How about six things

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and two quotes? Let's roll with this, ladies. First, what

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do you got about Ron Howard?

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Well, this I learned. I didn't. I knew he had

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a Hollywood Walk of Fame, but he actually has two

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of them, one for TV and one for film.

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He's got two stars. Wow.

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So yeah, nineteen eighty one he received his one for

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television in the second for film.

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I did not have that. I did not have that.

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Last week when Amber Lewis and I talked about the

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Da Vinci Code, all right, let's let's let's go, We'll

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bat the ball back and forth? How about that? I

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got one for you. Ron Howard's favorite film happens to

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be One flu Over the Cuckoo's Nest, which which we

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covered on our Patreon just a few months ago as

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part of our limited series A Film at fifty excellent.

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What do you Got for Me?

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I knew he was a child actor, obviously from the

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Any Griffith Show.

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Watched that a lot with my Grandpa obviously runs.

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But he apparently started acting when he was eighteen months old,

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and then he left the Happy Days series to focus

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on filmmaking.

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That he did. Howard was also no stranger to voice acting.

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In nineteen sixty nine, he appeared on the Disneyland Records

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album The Story and Song from the Haunted Mansion. He

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played one of two teenagers who get trapped inside the

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Haunted Mansion. Years later, it was reissued on cassette and

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CD as A Spooky Night in Disney's Haunted Mansion.

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What's a cassette?

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Tell us more? Grandpa?

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I still get sometimes yeah looks from some of my

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younger co This one I knew, but I still thought

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it was a fun effect for listeners who may not

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know this, but all four of his kids are named

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after the places they were conceived.

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Well, Angela, you clearly did not listen to last week's episode,

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because we talked about that. I did not.

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I'm so sorry. Well then it's good. Good baron repeating,

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I'm so sorry.

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That's you know what for all the listeners who who

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did not listen to Amber destroy Ron Howard's Da Vinci

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Code last week.

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Yeah, see, which I'm going to definitely be listening for

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this because i want to know.

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I want to know the brants. Yeah, all four children

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named after the places they were conceived. Listeners, go back

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and go back to last week and check that out,

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because we we we ambered. I talk about that real quick, Angela,

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you mentioned I got one last one here for you.

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You mentioned Andy Griffith. In February of twenty twenty five,

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Ron Howard revealed that he had recently discovered that he

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and one of his co stars from The Andy Griffith

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Show were distant cousins. Oh wow, any guesses who?

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No, I couldn't tell you all who was on that

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besides him Andy Griffith?

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And what don Nott sets you on?

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Don Notts?

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There you go?

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Yeah, yeah, neither of them were aware of that. Well

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Knots was still alive though. Okay, if if if memory serves,

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they're they're like sixth cousins, They're like distant cousins. So yeah,

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very cool stuff. Now, I got a quote, but I

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think you said you got a quote. I do, all right,

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what do you got?

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I really like this, he said. I don't choose something

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unless I think I have a personal understanding, which I

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think is super important. That we're just not doing projects,

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just projects. It doesn't have to be money motivated or anything,

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but invest and connect with and then create something.

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I really like that.

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That is absolutely I can hear him saying that we uh,

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me and the common uh. We got to meet Ron

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Howard last year last fall. One of the nicest guys

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you can talk to, just a gentle, gentle soul. My

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my quote. I saw that this was a He was

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talking about his preference between acting and directing, and he said,

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it was always my dream to be a director. A

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lot of it had to do with controlling my own destiny,

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because as a young actor you feel at everyone's disposal.

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But I wanted to become a leader in the business.

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How about that? Angela this season, obviously we are celebrating

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the films of two thousand and one and two thousand

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and six. We're going after the big movies, the blockbusters.

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We're having fun, and with that, we have abandoned the

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need for long winded descriptions of what the movie's about,

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you know, because they're not exactly underrated. So this season

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we were doing the five word synopsis. So I'm going

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to challenge you. This is your first time back this

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year since we started doing this, can you give me

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a synopsis for a Beautiful Mind using exactly five words?

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Genius finds love and accreditation.

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That's really nice.

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I like that.

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I help you.

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Yeah, here's a little more soft, little more sweet than mine.

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I have Prodigy succeeds despite mental illness.

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Yep, very good.

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Yes, both work did put a little more of a

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romantic flare in that.

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Well, okay, this is a romantic film.

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Yeah, they romanticize quite a bit.

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But yes, John and Alicia's story, Yeah, I mean they

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were together until their deaths at like age eighty two

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and eighty six.

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I think, well, since you brought since you brought that up,

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I thought, because I was looking at I said, I

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know they both have obviously passed, but tragically it wasn't

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from old age.

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They both died together in a car accident in New Jersey.

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When they were coming home after he got.

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Accepted the Abel Prize in twenty fifteen.

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And I'm like, you've got to be kreaky.

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Yeah, I just took taking a cab home. Yeah, I'm like, oh.

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I mean, I'm glad that they were together, but I

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did not realize that that is how they passed at.

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Least, and the stories like that. Now obviously it's it's

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it's tragic, but I like, I like to think it,

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you know, I take comfort that they were together in

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their final moments, you know. So yes, speaking of I

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found this out and it just blows my mind because

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I know we're going to talk about Russell Crowe and

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we're going to talk about Jennifer Connelly. But early on,

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before the film rights were even secured for this, Robert

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Redford and Tom Cruise they were like producing partners on

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the Legend Bigger Vance. I think, Yeah, they had discussed

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doing this movie with Cruise in the John Nashville and

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Redford directing it. Can you can you imagine what that

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would have been.

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Like, I know Robert Redford as a director. Sure, it's

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fantastic Tom Cruise, And that's not a that's not a

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putting him down or anything.

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It's not what he's good.

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Yeah, what he's good at, he is good at.

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But no, well there's no there's no death defying stunts

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either for him. So I don't know if he's like, Okay,

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I'm gonna go learn advanced mathematics and chaos theory to

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get into John Nash's head.

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Now, there's nothing tall enough at Princeton to parachute, even

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bungee jump.

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Probably not. Well. I don't know how you feel about

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the film Minority Report, but that is the reason that

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didn't happen. Cruise chose to do Minority Report.

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Yeah, and I think, yeah, he chose wisely. That was

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definitely more in his plane.

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doing Minority Report, both icons kind of moved on from

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the idea left and.

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Welcome back. We are discussing Ron Howard's two thousand and

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one drama A Beautiful Mind. So Russell Crowe claimed he

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wanted to play this role upon the first reading of

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Akiva Goldsman's screenplay Akivas that good. I mean, let's I mean,

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he's a legend in the screenwriting world. But and you

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said you can't imagine anyone before before we took a break,

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you said you couldn't image anyone else playing this role.

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I mean, I know it's easier said after you see

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him in it, but even now, twenty five years later,

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I was still the perfect choice.

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Well you're not the only one that felt that way.

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Producer Grian Brazier was especially taken with Russell Crowe after

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seeing him in La Confidential, which is one of my

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favorite Russe Oh.

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Yes, that is where the crush began.

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Oh is that okay?

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Yeah, the crushing for Crow, I mean it is it

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is settled long ago.

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But yes, that was that movie into the early two thousands.

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Yes, there was a significant Crow crush.

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Well it was. It was that movie and The Insider

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that had Grazer becoming up fan too, he said on

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casting on getting h Russell Crow for this. On casting him,

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he said, I zeroed in on Russell because he can

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communicate so intensely without words. Yes, I agree to that. Yeah,

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you know, it's uh, I mean, he's he's so gentle,

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like his his performance of John Nash, He's very gentle,

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even when he's kind of cold and you know, a

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little less personable. Not not by choice, it's just that's

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just his way. Yeah, he's still you know, he just seems,

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you know, like he's intense this entire film. He's intense and.

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I feel like even when he's not speaking, looking, and

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not even just in this role, but you just know,

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like so much going on behind Yeah, that expression, those

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those eyes, everything, like he just has like this vibration

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coming off.

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Yeah, the real John Nash. Uh. They told Russell Crow like, hey,

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I think we think John Nash might stop by, and

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Russell Crow's like, I don't want to. I don't want

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to meet him because you know, he didn't want to.

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He didn't want his his performance to kind of be

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like skewed in any way. Yeah, except for the fact

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Nash he didn't just visit the set. He visited all

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the time. So yeah, at that point, Russell's like, what

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the hell? So they start, they start, you know, they

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kind of strike up a friendship, and you know, this

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gave Crow the opportunity to kind of take cues from

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him in the way of his mannerisms and his hand gestures.

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So a lot of the stuff you see Crow doing

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in the movie, like even when he's like hanging out

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in the library, you know he take his barefoot with

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his shoes and socks off. You know, the he's very uh,

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he does a lot of hand acting. I know that's

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a weird way to describe it, but he's he's a

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he's always moving, you know what I mean. Nash is

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always it's almost like a quiet frantic thing he's got

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going on. And Crow got that off from the real

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John Nash.

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Excellent. Yeah, part of you know, he had so much

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going on in his mind, probably physically, just trying to

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keep up, and that's just how it comes out.

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Yeah, let's talk about the unbelievably amazing Jennifer Conley. She's

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playing Alicia. Yes, Oh, she's more lovely, lovely you know

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through the years, Like I don't I don't care if

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you're you're back in nineteen eighty six and you're falling

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in love with her for the first time when she's

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sixteen in Labyrinth, or you're falling in love with her,

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you know, a couple of years ago when she's in

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Top Gun Maverick and she's she's what like fifty two.

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Oh yeah, And somehow it becomes more beautiful with every year.

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I know some actresses pull that off, but and she's

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just she's she's enchanting. I think that's the word for

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Jennifer Connell. She isn't chanting.

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I agree, Yeah, that's a that's a perfect word for her.

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So the real Alicia n Ash was from El Salvador,

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which is why Salma Hayek was initially considered for the role.

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Can you imagine, imagine this role, Roger, this movie with

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Salma Hyak in it, which I'm sure a lot of

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our male listeners are fine doing that, but we're you know, hey,

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we're talking Jennifer Conney versus Salma Jayak, So you know

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there are no there are no wrong answers here.

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But she also she does fantastic drama yeah work, So

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I I could I could see that definitely more so

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than I mean, I wouldn't want her to replace Jennifer

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Kenelly obviously, I mean she was fabulous and she won

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the Best Supporting Actress oscar for that. But I definitely

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could see her in the place of Alicia way more

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than I could Tom Cruises.

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I'll tell you, I'll tell you who I can't see

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is Britney Murphy, because that's who Connelly narrowly beats out

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to take the role. And I really, you know, and

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you know, all due respect to the late Britney Murphy,

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but I don't know. I just her and her and Crow.

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It just doesn't seem like a like the chemistry is there,

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you know. Yeah, all of this, though, I got I

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got one more name for you. All of this was

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happening after the fact of Rachel Weiss. She was offered

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the role and declined it. How about that?

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my god, I guess I could go on and on

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and on about her, but yeah, I know, I I

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love her, but I'd have to look up, like what

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was she because I know nine. I think maybe the

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second Mommy came roun She's return I think, yeah, yeah, so.

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That probably a much bigger pay day.

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Not only that, but she needed to be in them.

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The Mummy returned, so she needs to maintain that that franchise.

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So I'm actually glad for that.

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So I I know how Amber feels about this actor,

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this next actor. Uh well, not the actor, the actor's

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performance in the Da Vinci Code, but uh, let's talk

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about Paul Bettany as Charles. Yes, your thoughts on pre

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vision Paul Bettany.

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Yeah, I know, you're like always you're a big fan.

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I had to I had to drop Oh yeah.

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No, absolutely, because you're like oh my god. Yes, you

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know he there was a version of Paul Bettany before Vision,

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which A Night's Tale. Uh yeah, you know, he was

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in a ink car, so he kind of you know, still,

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it seemed like this character was in that thread of

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on his own little path, kind of untethered and and uh.

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We're doing we're doing a Night's Tale, Join us.

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Yeah, if there's room, Yeah, I think I did sign

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up for for that one.

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I'll make room for you.

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Yeah. So this definitely, yeah, went in that same vein.

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And I mean, I I could probably guess probably what

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her thoughts were about the Da Vinci Code, but I

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will I will listen to the podcast to last.

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Time I bring up Da Vinci Code, and.

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It's gonna be like the it's gonna be like the

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trigger words for like the Winter Soldier also turning back

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into maniac. But no, I mean, I think the contrast

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to Russell Crowe, I I believe he brought that uh

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that energy to to that he is still very very

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good about doing like that that drama part. So it's

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not all sillier or anything, but he definitely was a

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good I think contrast to Russell Crowe's straight and narrow.

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I'll tell you this, and you know, you watch this

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the first time and you don't if you, if you,

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especially if you don't know anything about John Nash, you know,

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we get this big plot twist and you're like, whoa,

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because it's like a sixth sense level yeah type of thing. Listeners,

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if you haven't seen A Beautiful Mind and you don't

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want it spoiled, just hit pause, go watch the movie

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and then come back because we're you know, obviously it's

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we're it's celebrating it's twenty fifth anniversary, so we're going

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we're going all in. But when you watch this, you know,

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on your second time, third time, ninth time, whatever, you

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have to pay attention to Paul Bettany's physical acting because

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he is a hallucination. He's an imaginary friend, so he

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can't move physical objects in the room unless it's in

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Russell Crowe's mind, like the desk. Obviously, he kind of

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throws it out and we know that that's Russell Crowe

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doing it or John Nash's the John Nash character doing it,

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But for him to be oblivious to people that are

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in the room, for them to be oblivious to him.

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It's one of those things where it's like whoa Like

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he never gets acknowledged by anybody, and he's always like

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in a corner and he's always he's always like speaking

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first and then like, oh he's here. You know absolutely

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of that. I'll tell you this, you know, because I

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know we got to move on. This film wins. It's

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fair share of Golden Globes and Oscars and BAFTAs and

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all that stuff. But the big winner is Paul Bettney,

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who was not nominated for anything. And I say he's

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the big winner Angelo because this is the film where

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he met Jennifer Connolly for the first time.

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They've been together ever since.

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Yeah, two began dating after the film wrapped and married

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to this day. So anyone that gets to go home

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to Jennifer Connolly every single day, that's that's the biggest winner. Gosh,

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I'll tell you. I'll tell you right now because you know,

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I know how you feel about Tom Hardy. Yeah, and

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Angela is to Tom Hardy as Jeff is to Jennifer Connolly.

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I if a director, if a director made a film

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about a fresh coat of paint drying and that's all

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we saw, but you had her sitting in.

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The shot, I would I would watch the I'd watch

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like the three and a half hour Director's cute. That's

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that's how great she is.

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I I can I can feel that level.

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That's a that's a good comparison, like on a scale

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of you know, uh to Tom Hardy. Where does Jennifer

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Kennelly falling fall in for you? But back when you

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were talking about, you know, knowing that it's Paul Bettany's

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a hallucination, I hadn't seen this since it originally came out.

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And even though I knew the you know things were

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what was real and what wasn't, I still got so

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enthralled in it that I forgot And I was still

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mildly like surprised when I'm like, oh yeah, like I

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like I suspended my belief. You know, when starting getting

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you know, re watching uh this and and diving into

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it just enraptured me all over again.

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To where I I left.

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I'd seen this before, I know what happens, and I

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still forgot by just getting lost in the story.

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And yeah, it's especially on your first time watch, even

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after they've acknowledged that you know, he has schizophrenia. H

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You're like, well, hold on, now he's working for the government.

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You're you're you're still fighting for him a little bit.

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I feel like I was fighting for him, like no, uh,

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you know, Charlie Charles at Paul Bettany's character, he's real,

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you know.

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Ed Harris's d o d uh shadow shadowy government guy.

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He's he's got to be real. Nash is working for him.

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And then when you when we get to that moment

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where Nash realizes that Paul Bettany's litt niece through the

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decades like just never gets she's she's like ten years

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old forever, and that that moment, I was like, Oh,

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that's so, that's brilliant. That's such a brilliant moment in

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the in the in the in the movie, where he

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now understands that everyone's right, that he is sick, that

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it's all been in his head because this little girl

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just does not age. I love. I love that moment.

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Not that we are jumping into scenes just yet, but

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can we get can one more thing? One more Jennifer

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Conley thing, since we're already Since I'm trades, I've ever

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00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.759
scene when he comes in to teach his first class

473
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:17.319
and the wind he shuts the window and he tells

474
00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:19.400
that one kid, like, you know, your comfort comes second

475
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:21.920
to my me needing to hear my own voice. And

476
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:25.039
then she gets up and stauncers over the window. The

477
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.000
fact that she can tell that construction company to hey,

478
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.079
can you go somewhere else and work for forty five minutes?

479
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:34.119
Like yes, yeah we can't. Yeah, I'll do whatever, she says.

480
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.359
I'm just telling you she has that power, she's and

481
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.160
it's such a good moment for her. Her Her character

482
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.839
is very confident. I love that her character is super confident,

483
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:45.480
you know, kind of takes the point she's asking Nash out.

484
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:47.559
She's kind of taken the lead in a lot of

485
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:50.000
a lot of these situations. And I don't know, I love.

486
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:51.240
Her, Oh yeah, absolutely.

487
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:54.640
I mean she she's obviously got that intelligence and that

488
00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:58.160
good intuition. But yeah, it's like, yo, Jennifer, you need

489
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:00.519
me to hide a dead body for you worry about

490
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:03.039
don't worry about it, babe, I got it, I got you.

491
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.920
Yeah. If this is if this is the town and

492
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.480
Jennifer Connley walks in and looks at me and says, Hey,

493
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:12.000
we're gonna go hurt some people and you can never

494
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:14.599
ask me about it. Who's car a We teking I'll drive,

495
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:19.599
I'll drive you, Jennifer, Yeah, exactly, we talked about that, Harris.

496
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:24.720
The film also stars jud hirsh, Christopher Plummer, Adam Goldberg,

497
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:29.279
Anthony Rapp, and one of my favorite guys, Josh Lucas,

498
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.039
who I just he's an underrated actor.

499
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:34.000
I feel like, yeah, he's done some pretty good things

500
00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.240
and I did kind of forget yeah he was in this,

501
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:42.680
but yeah, he's He's so good in his his role too, with.

502
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:48.319
That his swag. Yeah, the swagger that Lucas has in

503
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.519
this reminds me of his character in American Psycho, which

504
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:55.440
is another one of my favorites. He's just you know, cocky,

505
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:59.720
overly confident. But I love I love that him and

506
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:03.480
Crow at the end of the their characters, after all

507
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.799
the years they're they become friends. You know, they're they're

508
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:08.240
they're cool with each other. Love it.

509
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.000
Yeah, I do like that exchange when Crow is like,

510
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.640
you know you were right if you're a winner, and

511
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:15.400
then no, they lie to us.

512
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.440
There there is no winning.

513
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.599
I'm super paraphrasing here, but I like that exchange because

514
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.000
you know, he was how competitive they were in the

515
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:30.200
beginning and even bullying a bit on Josh Lucas's You

516
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:35.799
Know Part two, come to that mature you know actually

517
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:40.640
you know, grew grew up and kind of understood the

518
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:42.839
system and and.

519
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:44.640
Them being able to have a friendship from that.

520
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:47.839
Yeah. I got a couple of fun things about the

521
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:53.359
background of this production. This one may surprise you. Before

522
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:58.119
this film came to be, Ron Howard was already developing

523
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:03.079
a very similar film titled Laws of Madness. Are you

524
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:08.200
aware of this? Okay? So like this movie, it also

525
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:13.119
was based on a true story a guy named Michael

526
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:20.759
Lauder who successfully graduated from Yale Law School despite his schizophrenia. Okay,

527
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.279
so I mean it's practically we're talking almost like the

528
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.920
same movie. Howard purchased the film rights to this guy's

529
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:31.079
life story for one point five million dollars in nineteen

530
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:35.440
ninety five, and while he was trying to determine whether

531
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:40.440
or not Leonardo DiCaprio or Brad Pitt should play the

532
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:45.640
lead role, project was immediately canceled in nineteen ninety eight

533
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.640
after the real guy, the real Michael latter, murdered his fiance.

534
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:51.319
Yeah.

535
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:54.039
That's nothing shuts a production down faster than murder.

536
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:58.119
Really, there is, Yeah, there is no pr spinning that

537
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:01.440
and that is definitely some We're just gonna take take

538
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:02.559
a step away for us.

539
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:07.400
Yeah. So the movie is based off of Sylvia Nassauer's

540
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:11.559
book of the same name, A Beautiful Mind. There was

541
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.680
an excerpt of the book in Vanity Fair and that's

542
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:20.799
where Ron Howard's longtime producing partner Brian Grazer saw it

543
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:25.279
was fascinated by it. He wins the film rights over

544
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.880
producer Scott Ruden. And it's not because he offered more money.

545
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:32.599
It's because the real John and Alicia Nash chose him.

546
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:33.559
Uh.

547
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:36.119
In the in the end, they had they had resisted

548
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.079
the idea of their life story being made into a

549
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.920
movie for a long long time. But you know, Graser

550
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.359
has a has a knack for partnering with the right

551
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:47.680
the right directors and telling like these and these stories

552
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.920
where you know, especially with Ron Howard, we kind of

553
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:52.000
you know, he had a quote that I talked about

554
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.160
in last week's episode where you know, like why does

555
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:59.960
he choose these American stories where people persevere right? You know,

556
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.160
you look at like Apollo thirteen or Cinderella Man. John

557
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.519
Nash is one of those guys like he doesn't give

558
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.400
up it's a survival story if you think about it. No.

559
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:09.880
Absolutely so.

560
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:14.000
On casting, Ron Howard stated, and I'm quoting him here,

561
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.920
there's an element of danger with a number of these actors,

562
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:23.720
especially Russell Crowe, Ed Harris and Christopher Plumber. There's a

563
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:28.400
palpable visceral tension with them on screen, the threat of

564
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:32.440
some kind of explosion. And he's right, these guys have

565
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:35.400
they all have a long history of doing these. I mean,

566
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:40.359
they have explosive personalities. Yes, I'm not saying in a

567
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.319
bad way, like you could throw Gene Hackman in with

568
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.680
this group, you know, It's just they have a tendency

569
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.960
like they can be very animated in their performances. I

570
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.000
absolutely agree with him though, absolutely. And then one last

571
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:54.720
thing for you, Angela. Talking to you know, we kind

572
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.119
of talked about these hallucinations. You know how the real

573
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:02.440
John Nash's hallucinations were auditory. Yeah, he heard the voices

574
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:07.400
but never suffered from visual hallucinations. So the characters portrayed

575
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:09.720
by Paul Bettany and Ed Harris and the Little Girl

576
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:13.279
done purely for cinematic aesthetic, which I think you have

577
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.119
to have in a movie. Oh yeah, it wouldn't have

578
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.240
worked if we just heard voices, you know, and plus

579
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:22.160
that we're giving it away. You know, if if if

580
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.720
all of a sudden, Paul Bettany burst into the dorm

581
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.880
room to uh to announce his arrival, we don't see

582
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.599
anybody that's we immediately like, what's this guy's crazy? What's

583
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:35.279
going on? You gotta you gotta have it.

584
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:38.759
Yes, Visually in the film, we would need those hallucinations

585
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:44.160
to be in physical form for us to have them

586
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:47.839
be as real to us as just the auditory.

587
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.039
Hallucinations were as real to him.

588
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:54.559
So yeah, even though yeah, those it was fabricated, you've

589
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.880
definitely had to have that that element, and for a

590
00:32:57.920 --> 00:32:58.880
film version that'd be.

591
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:00.240
Very hard also too.

592
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.039
With I think with that that if you're just like

593
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.920
the hearing voices thing, I think maybe too much of

594
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.599
that automatically kind of maybe like a bias of all

595
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.119
this person is crazy and as he's missed the character.

596
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:14.920
Too with that, so.

597
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:22.119
You're also stepping into you know, his mind and and

598
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.319
and his world again being just completely enthralled by all that,

599
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:29.359
not realizing it is all in his head, without taking

600
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:35.319
away the brilliance of his contribution, you know, mathematics that no,

601
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:39.799
he wasn't just a crazy person who absolutely made no sense.

602
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.440
There was plenty right with his mind different way, but

603
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.799
he was still able to, you know, create these highest

604
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:47.720
accolades from him and still.

605
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.640
Being used in well said Angela. I'll tell you what.

606
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:54.240
Let's take another break, and then when we get back,

607
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.920
I know we got we gotta talk about a scene

608
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:57.680
or two.

609
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610
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611
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612
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.400
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613
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614
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615
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616
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617
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618
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We're available anywhere that you find podcasts, Speaker, Apple or Spotify. Okay,

619
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.760
so I know there's a scene you want to talk about,

620
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:43.280
Uh before I get before and before we get to

621
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:44.760
the scene you want talk about, because there's one I

622
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.119
want to talk about, and uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna

623
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:48.400
bend the rules a little bit here. I'm gonna I'm

624
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.480
gonna give an honorable mention because it's such a small

625
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.480
and significant scene, but I just love it so much.

626
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.800
And I'm talking about the opening of the movie where

627
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:05.679
Nash is standing there listening to Rap and Goldberg's characters,

628
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:10.280
and he's looking at the the light refracting off the

629
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.679
glass and then taking that to the orange slices and

630
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:22.559
then moving it to the guy's tie and seeing like

631
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.559
like the whole theory, like the whole mathematics of finding

632
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:29.480
those shapes the guy's ugly tie. I just love the

633
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.360
cinematography there. I think it's amazing what they're able to do.

634
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:36.719
And it immediately, it immediately puts you in John Nash's

635
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.360
mind and you get the idea of like, Okay, this

636
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.719
is this is what this guy's all about. He can

637
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:45.280
see things that we can't see. He can he can

638
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.159
It's like a up you know, you dump a you know,

639
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:51.039
one hundred piece puzzle on the ground. He's putting it

640
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.039
together in like immediately he can see it, right, And

641
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.480
I love I love that moment. But I just had

642
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:59.480
to point that out real quick. But Angela whatever you're

643
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.840
seeing as I'm sure I'm gonna ask you is it?

644
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:06.199
Did you pick it because of the cinematography like the

645
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.079
ugly tie? Did you pick it because of a strong performance?

646
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:14.320
Is it the pivotal moment? Amber is trying to wedge

647
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:18.960
a new topic in here, the you know, is it?

648
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.239
Is it the scene that didn't piss Amber lewis Off?

649
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:26.079
Tried that last week? By the way, what scene? Well,

650
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:27.679
it's a scene that didn't piss me off. It's like that,

651
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.360
that's not one of the that's not one of the choices,

652
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.800
but you know, it might it might become one of

653
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.760
our new choices. Did the scene piss Amber Lewis off?

654
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:41.079
So tell us, Uh, why did you pick this scene? What?

655
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:42.440
What's the reason behind it?

656
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.320
I feel it was a pivotal moment, at least in

657
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:47.800
regards to the relationship.

658
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.119
Oh okay, this gonna be good because I've I've got

659
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.760
a pivotal moment. And you could argue that there might

660
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:56.719
be more than one, but mine, mine has nothing to

661
00:36:56.760 --> 00:37:00.559
do with Alicia. So tell us tell us a scene

662
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:01.920
that we're talking about.

663
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.119
I love the scene where it's after he realizes that

664
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.760
he is hallucinating because the little Girl never ages, and

665
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:14.079
that was also at the point where basically Christopher Plummer's character,

666
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:20.760
who plays psychiatry, you know, advises her to send him,

667
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:26.440
to send John back to the hospital. But after Russell

668
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:32.280
Crowe's character John acknowledges that they're in the bedroom where

669
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:34.400
he's sitting on the edge of the bed, and then

670
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.559
she's kneeling before him and she's talking about if you

671
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.559
want to know what is real and what isn't real,

672
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:42.760
and then you know, placing his hand on her heart

673
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.280
and on his heart and his mind. There is some

674
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:47.360
grander out you know, out there.

675
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:56.840
You need to believe that something extraordinary, y'all.

676
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:57.360
Know, it's real.

677
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:30.840
This this, this, this is real. Maybe the part that

678
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.360
nots awakening from the dream maybe.

679
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:35.679
It is here.

680
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:41.320
Maybe it's here.

681
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:58.000
I need to believe that something extraordinary is possible. I mean.

682
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.320
And you could argue that it was a strong performance

683
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:05.079
but so very quiet and it was so real, and

684
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:10.639
it was just kind of reconnecting him to like grounding him.

685
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:16.840
I think in her showing the that she was you know,

686
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:19.239
willing to, Hey, I want to work with you, I

687
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:20.400
want to support you in this.

688
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:21.599
I don't want to.

689
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:23.960
Have to send you to this place because I know

690
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:25.719
what you're capable of.

691
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.360
I know the parts of you that aren't.

692
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.519
You know, this chaos and and this you know, the

693
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:37.880
mental illness that is the paranoid schizophrenia. So and I

694
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:44.920
know the movie oversimplified their relationship a bit that they

695
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.119
you know, left out, and that's okay, But I just

696
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.960
really loved that her grounding him and her not just

697
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.880
abandoning him, her not just you know, writing him off,

698
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.599
but trying to Hey, if you can remember that this,

699
00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.280
you know, is real, we can't get through this.

700
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.320
So I I really really enjoyed that.

701
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:06.400
Yeah, I guarantee, you know, I can't remember exactly, like

702
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.639
thinking back, you know, because it's been twenty five years. Uh,

703
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.760
the night of the Academy Awards, when and the nominees

704
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.920
are you know, I guarantee you when they name, when

705
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:20.039
they when they announced Jennifer Connley's name. That's the scene

706
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.400
where she's like, I need to believe that, you know,

707
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:24.960
it's got to be that moment, you know, and everyone

708
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.159
gives her a little applause. It's a it's a it's

709
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.239
a it's a beautiful scene. I like that you picked

710
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:33.599
that one. I have a different kind of a pivotal moment,

711
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:38.400
and it happens early on. But I want to talk

712
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:43.800
about Nash disproving Adam Smith's governing dynamics.

713
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:47.480
Adam Smith needs revision.

714
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:48.800
What are you talking about?

715
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:59.000
Field goal for the blonde? They block each other, not

716
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.320
a single one of us. He's going to get her.

717
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.360
So then we go for her friends. But they will

718
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.519
all give us the cold shoulder because nobody likes to

719
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:11.960
be second choice. But what if no one goes for

720
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:17.159
the blood? We don't get in each other's way, and

721
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:21.480
we don't insult the other girls. That's the only way

722
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:26.079
we win. That's the only way we all get late.

723
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:37.280
Adam Smith said, the best result comes from everyone in

724
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.039
the group doing what's best for himself. Right, That's what

725
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.400
he said. That's right and complete and complete, Okay, because

726
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.920
the best result would come from everyone in the group

727
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:53.119
doing what's best for himself and the group. This is

728
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:54.679
some way for you to get the blood on your own.

729
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:55.440
You can go to hell.

730
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.920
Governing dynamics, gentlemen, governing dynamics, Adam Smith, He's wrong.

731
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.440
I gotta tell you, when this movie came out, me

732
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.880
and my buddies applied this like when we were going

733
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:14.880
out to the bars and the club. We're like, you

734
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:19.280
know what that's actually, that's that's pretty damn smart. So

735
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:23.360
you know, the governing dynamics, you know, every man for

736
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.840
himself is wrong. Every man working together in their best

737
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:32.559
interests is better for the for the group. And it's like, okay,

738
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:34.599
so we we at this point. This is the second

739
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.639
time where a group of co ed's walking, you know,

740
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.199
they're they're they're in school. Group of co eds walks

741
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.199
into the bar, there's a there's a knockout. I mean,

742
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.639
she is just a platinum blond knockout in the center,

743
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:49.519
you know, like like a gazelle, you know. And then

744
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:55.199
she's yeah, she shout out, yeah, let's let's be let's

745
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.320
be fair though her, her her other friends that are

746
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.519
what there are all attractive. It's just there's standing next

747
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:03.320
to her and you're gonna see her, and they're all like, ah,

748
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:08.840
they're zeroed in on her. And then he explains how

749
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.880
if they all go after, they all lose because even

750
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:14.840
her girls are gonna be like, you know, they don't

751
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:18.000
be slighted, like, hell, you picked her first. It's brilliant.

752
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.719
It's absolutely brilliant. I love how he you know, because

753
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:23.960
even at first they're skeptical, They're like, you just want

754
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:25.840
the blonde for yourself and he's like no, no, no, listen.

755
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.400
And the way that even the way it's shot, where

756
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.000
like you're like the she vanishes and then they all

757
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:34.559
show up, and then you know, it's brilliant. I love it.

758
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.440
It's so much fun. I know it's a little sexist, however,

759
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:43.400
it is such a cool way to disprove this guy's theory.

760
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.360
And at this point John Nash does not have his

761
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.559
original idea for his his doctorate, for his paper, and

762
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:53.199
it's this this moment with this this beautiful blonde in

763
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:55.360
the bar where he he knows what he's going to do,

764
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:57.840
you know, with you know, the game theory or whatever

765
00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:59.280
they call it, and he's you know, so I love it.

766
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:01.079
I love that he even pops up, he's ready to

767
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:03.440
go go to work, and he stops just to say

768
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:04.000
thank you to her.

769
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:05.800
She's like, uh huh, She's like, what are you talking about?

770
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.360
Yeah, I just going I love that moment. It's one

771
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:10.000
of my favorites.

772
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:12.360
Of course, it would have been nice like hey, I'm

773
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.519
sorry that, you know, well not really necessarily Podula. Sorry,

774
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:18.280
I didn't choose you or rejected you, but I also

775
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.559
wanted to thank you for your inspiration. So you did

776
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:21.840
help me in a way, just not in the way

777
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:22.519
you thought.

778
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.079
I was going to use you for Yeah, miss, miss you,

779
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:28.280
just you just initiated the Nobel Peace Prize for me.

780
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:30.480
Simple thank you goes a long way.

781
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.480
Yeah you know, hey, but find every behind every guy,

782
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.719
there's a there's a there's a hard working woman, right

783
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.840
even when she's a platinum blond walking into the bar.

784
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:43.960
Absolutely, but yes, that that is too fair.

785
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:49.400
He explained it in ways that these guys could understand, like, Okay,

786
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.400
do you want to go home alone? You know, with

787
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:56.599
maybe just because you're and let's be honest, you guys

788
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.440
don't need to be shooting that high anyway.

789
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.360
Come on, you really, I think.

790
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.559
Your chances are there. I you miss one hundred percent

791
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.119
of the shot, you don't take blah blah blah blah blah. Okay,

792
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:06.679
but can we.

793
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.400
You need to be reasonable in logic.

794
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.880
Come all I know is twenty two year old Jeff

795
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.800
saw this movie. Well, yeah, okay, now we got it's

796
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:15.519
a game changer.

797
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:17.960
I am down with math.

798
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:22.159
I get why I am math? Now math is hot. Yeah,

799
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:27.519
thank you. Speaking of math Angela, let's run the numbers here.

800
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:32.840
A Beautiful Mind was released on December thirteenth, two thousand

801
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:36.239
and one, on a budget of fifty eight million. It

802
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:42.559
grossed three hundred sixteen point eight million dollars worldwide, nominated

803
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:46.480
for five Golden Globes, winning three of them. That was

804
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:51.480
Best Actor, Best Supporting Actress, and Best Screenplay. Ron lost

805
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:55.679
the Best Director and James Horner lost Best Score. But

806
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.480
at the Academy Awards, it's nominated for five and wins

807
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:03.199
four of them, and we're talking about Best Picture, Best

808
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:08.400
Supporting Actress, Best Screenplay, and Best Director. Crowe did not

809
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:12.119
take home the Best Actor, Oscar Angela any do you

810
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.840
remember any guesses or do you remember who actually did

811
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:16.280
get that one? That night?

812
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:17.079
I did.

813
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:19.519
It's Denzel Washington for Training Day.

814
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:24.559
Yes, I remember that because that was also the year

815
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.400
that I'm going to insert my little salty rant that

816
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:29.920
I'm still holding on to twenty five years later, that

817
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.719
Halle Berry won Best Actress when Nicole Kidman should have

818
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:34.880
won it for Mulan Rouge. I will stand by that

819
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:38.960
statement till the day I die. Okay, So that's another

820
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.000
thing I could take away from that year's Oscars.

821
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:44.000
So listeners, next what is it March? We will be

822
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:46.519
talking about Mulin Rouge, and I'm sure Angela will have

823
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:48.559
some things to say about the film.

824
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:50.199
So there's a little preview.

825
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:54.639
Oh no, I love the movie, so don't it's not

826
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:55.920
a rain about the movie. I love it.

827
00:46:56.039 --> 00:47:02.360
You and Amber, I'm telling you.

828
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:00.679
Is it?

829
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:02.920
Is it just Ron Howard? Is that what's branded out

830
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:04.320
you got? I don't know, I don't know.

831
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:06.719
No, No, Ron Howard is a lovely man.

832
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:08.920
I don't know what detective tissue is. I'm just saying

833
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:13.840
that Angela plus Amber plus Ron Howard movies equals rant

834
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:14.800
of some sort.

835
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:18.079
You know, well, well, this was just a segue, like

836
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:22.280
an extra little trivial part of thought in adjacent It

837
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:24.119
had nothing to do with Ron Howard.

838
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:26.480
It's a it's a pre rant. You're just gearing up

839
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:27.480
for Mulan Reas.

840
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.199
Okay, I got the seeds have been planted.

841
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:36.000
Okay, moving moving on from the seeds and back to

842
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:40.480
the numbers. A Beautiful Mind has an eight point two

843
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.519
out of ten IMDb score, a seventy four percent on

844
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:48.519
Rotten Tomatoes, and if you're on Letterbox it's a three

845
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:51.320
point nine out of five. Angel. I had a question.

846
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:52.719
I was gonna, I was gonna I had a ranking

847
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.679
question for you, But I think you tipped your hat

848
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.159
way earlier because I was gonna ask you. You know,

849
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.800
these guys are always there, always to get the blonde

850
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:04.159
that's in the bar, and you happen to be a blonde.

851
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:06.119
And I'm just wondering, like, when Russell Crowe and Josh

852
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.960
Lucas walk in, are you looking at Crow? I was

853
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:10.639
gonna ask if you're looking at Crow or Lucas, But

854
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:13.000
I think you made it clear that you what did

855
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:14.199
you say, crushing on Crow?

856
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:14.559
Right?

857
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:14.880
Yeah?

858
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:19.000
I did have a Crow crush starting with confidential, Yes, yeah,

859
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.880
all right, all right, well yeah, I think I would

860
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:27.199
notice Josh Lucas, but I'd be like, I know you,

861
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:29.280
I know what you're trying to do. And then I'd

862
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:30.960
be like, okay, do you.

863
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.159
Notice Josh Lucas when you hear him all the time

864
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.159
on the radio or on the on TV. Do you

865
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.400
know that he's the voice of Home Depot right now?

866
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:42.800
That's him that Josh.

867
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.119
I can hear the voice in my head, but no,

868
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.440
I had no idea that that was him. Okay, well interesting,

869
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:52.000
I did not know that he was still in my

870
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:53.440
life every now and then on.

871
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:57.639
The yes, more saving, more doing, Yeah, yes.

872
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:00.840
I yeah, went the funk it?

873
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.159
All right, I'll tell you what. Let's take one last

874
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.119
break and then we'll wrap things up because I want

875
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:08.280
to I want to hear what you what you're thinking

876
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:12.519
about an underrated Ron Howard project. We'll hear that in

877
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:19.920
just a moment. Okay, So something different here, Angela. You know,

878
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.000
typically we would be talking about an underrated film, so

879
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:28.199
we'd ask like, hey, what about some other projects? What

880
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.039
about some other projects that this director has? You know?

881
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:33.239
And that gave us a chance to briefly talk about

882
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.920
some big budget movies. Now that the things are turned

883
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:42.000
upside down, my question to you is, uh, make your choice,

884
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:49.440
written by, directed by, or starring Which underrated project from

885
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:51.679
Ron Howard would you suggest?

886
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.199
See I struggled with this, so I'm going to be

887
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:58.800
extra different and flip it. I couldn't really tell you

888
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.280
an underrated one, but I will give you my opinion

889
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:04.320
as to which film he directed that is overrated?

890
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:10.280
Do you and Amber just get the outline and just

891
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:12.159
decide that you're going to rewrite it is that what

892
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:18.400
everyone else is in line, like, all right, but you got.

893
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:20.360
Everything well look at through its history.

894
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:21.519
I was like, no, that was good.

895
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:23.800
No, that was good. No, that was good. And I'm like,

896
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:25.920
you know what, I know how I could answer this,

897
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:27.639
but it's.

898
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:29.800
It's your first one of the of the season, so

899
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.599
I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a pass here. Okay,

900
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.119
what what overrated project would you say? What would you

901
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.679
recommend for? For a Ron Howard?

902
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.239
I am going to get so much slack for this,

903
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.360
I am sure, and I'm sure you're probably going to

904
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.719
put this on par with Amber's ranting of last week.

905
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:52.000
But I think it's how the Grit stole Christmas?

906
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:58.599
Okay, okay, uh, I'm not going to disagree with you, Okay, okay.

907
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:03.360
I'm I am very loyal to the the Boris Karloff

908
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:06.920
was it like nineteen sixty six? I think, yeah, I'm

909
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.880
very loyal to that. And I know that there have

910
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:12.760
been like what like one or two animated new movies

911
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:16.320
and they've got the Jim Carrey Grinch' It's it's fun,

912
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.280
it's nice. But yeah, I can I could give that,

913
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.760
and you are you are recommending it? You just say, hey,

914
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.559
it's a little overrated, but you'll, yeah, it's Christmas time.

915
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:25.559
What else are you going to watch?

916
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:28.000
Right right? It's definitely one of those that I don't

917
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:30.960
rewatch like on my own, but if like my nephew

918
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.000
wanted to, which he's getting a little bit older, so

919
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:36.519
he's not really into that, you know anymore. It has

920
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:40.519
its moments, it has its you things, but just generally overall, yes,

921
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:43.000
I just think that was put a little bit on

922
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:46.000
too high of a pedestal, Okay, but probably a lot

923
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:46.960
of people put it on.

924
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:51.960
I've got an underrated film directed by Ron Howard you

925
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:55.800
might want to check out. Okay, nineteen ninety four, a

926
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.960
film called The Paper. Did you ever see that one?

927
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:04.159
It's stark that one, yes, starring Okay.

928
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:05.519
So Michael a long time ago.

929
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:10.400
Well it's nineteen ninety four. Yeah, uh, we're talking Michael Keaton,

930
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:14.960
Glenn Close, Randy Quaid, Robert Duvall, Marissa Toomey. Uh, your

931
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:18.719
girl Catherine O'Hara is in it, yeah, okay. And then

932
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:21.960
and Ron's Ron's little brother, Clint Howard is in this one.

933
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:23.880
That's so funny when he pops up.

934
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:26.039
I love I love it. He's not in this one.

935
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:29.760
Oh yeah, okay, no, we know Clint Howard in a

936
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:32.840
Beautiful Mind, but uh yeah the paper this one, yeah

937
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:36.119
yeah yeah, but the paper which did have Clint Howard.

938
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.159
Very quiet box office but but critically acclaimed. You know,

939
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:42.960
it had an eighty six percent on Rotten Tomatoes. It's

940
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:47.480
and it's got that fast, fun, frantic energy of the newsroom.

941
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:50.199
Like I like it. I like a good newspaper movie,

942
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.320
like like All the President's Men or Spotlight. You know,

943
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:57.360
just I love that that that uh that that atmosphere.

944
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.400
I guess you know, they're they're trying to crack the story. Yeah,

945
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.920
I think it's great, great performances. I say, check it out.

946
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:05.440
Okay, yeah, it's been so long god, since I've seen it.

947
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.280
I mean I remember Michael Keaton was in it. But

948
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:10.159
since you brought up the like Clint Howard usually kind

949
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:12.599
of pops up in Ron's movies, he didn't in.

950
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A Beautiful Mind. But when I was.

951
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Doing research on the cast, apparently his daughter Bryce Dallas

952
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:22.119
Howard played a Harvard student. I'd have to go back

953
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and actually find her, but she is listed as.

954
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.679
That blink and you miss her. Yeah it's uh yeah,

955
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it's her I think it's like, uh, when he's getting

956
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:32.440
taken away in the car, I think she's one of

957
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:37.400
the students that's like standing right there. Okay, so your recommendation,

958
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.239
would you recommend a beautiful Mind to people?

959
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:44.599
Absolutely, it's a it's a fantastic film, fantastic performances. Yes,

960
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.280
I would still recommend you know, learning you know about

961
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:50.960
the real uh life people.

962
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:52.039
You know that we're in there.

963
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:56.119
So obviously with films things are exaggerated or creative licensing

964
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:58.320
things like that, but it is definitely worth getting to

965
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:01.679
know the action people at This movie is boosed on

966
00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:05.360
too so and it opens up to learning what his

967
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:07.920
his contribution was to to the world.

968
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.639
So he's absolutely.

969
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:11.719
Definitely person worth knowing a little bit more about, and

970
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:13.760
this is definitely a nice little entry point to that.

971
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:16.639
Yeah, it's uh. I think it's one of Ron Howard's best.

972
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.480
It's one of those that you watch it, you enjoy it,

973
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:21.039
and then you want to you want to dig deeper,

974
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.679
you want to find out about the real the real

975
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:24.320
John Nash.

976
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Uh.

977
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:28.280
It's available to rent on most streaming platforms, but I

978
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.880
highly recommend the DVD or Blu Ray for this one.

979
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:36.440
It's got some deleted scenes, as well as two audio commentaries,

980
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one with screenwriter at Kiva Goldsman and the other with

981
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Ron Howard himself. So and they're both good. I can

982
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.840
I can tell you I can vouch for that. Listeners

983
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:51.880
come back this Friday because our new limited series, A

984
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:56.960
Script Buy, will be available. Brad Kozo hosts a deep

985
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.800
dive into the screenwriting process of some of Hollywood's biggest movies,

986
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:05.000
with lively discussion about how well they're written and how

987
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:07.760
well they transitioned from the page to the silver screen.

988
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:11.920
And then we'll have a new theme for February that

989
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:15.760
we're calling Washington and the Man. Do you like Denzel

990
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:19.480
Washington movies? How about films directed by Michael Mann? If so,

991
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don't miss a Film by Podcast in February, and next

992
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time we'll be talking about Tony Scott's two thousand and

993
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six thriller Deja Vu. If you've seen it, how would

994
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:37.159
you summarize it in five words? You can go to

995
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a Film by Podcast dot com to give us your answer,

996
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or email us at a Film by Podcast at gmail

997
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:46.280
dot com. If we use your five words synopsis on

998
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:49.079
the show, we'll shout you out on the episode and

999
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:52.280
you'll get some a film by Swag which Angela made

1000
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me some stickers might be one of our new t shirts.

1001
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We've got a couple of those color changing stadium cups

1002
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still that we've been passing out the conventions. You get

1003
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one of them. Yeah. Please join us on social media.

1004
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You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and x.

1005
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We love interacting with you, sharing opinions, taking your requests

1006
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:21.000
for future episodes, and debating great movies. Angela, I think

1007
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.519
is it this week? You've got another movie review for

1008
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us on our website?

1009
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Right, Yep.

1010
00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:30.960
It's gonna be about Kate Winsled's directorial debut called Goodbye

1011
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:33.480
June that was released on Christmas Eve.

1012
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So check it out.

1013
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Yeah, I would ask you right now, but I'm sure

1014
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you're gonna tell me, like, no, go read it. It's there.

1015
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:45.840
Maybe maybe give you a little preview if you'd like. Yeah, well,

1016
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:49.519
i'll tell you what. I'll tell you your there's a

1017
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movie listeners movie came out. I think it's a Netflix

1018
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original called The Woman in Cabin ten. I enjoyed it.

1019
00:56:57.440 --> 00:56:59.840
That was kind of I mean, it's predictable and you know,

1020
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and hitchcocking. But I I enjoyed it. You can go

1021
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:06.639
to you can go to our Facebook page and you

1022
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:09.280
can see Angela's very brief.

1023
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I didn't know if you're really gonna pass.

1024
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:15.719
I was like, I was like, oh, just for a

1025
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:19.280
gat this woman is, she's working, She's working some overtime.

1026
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:21.920
I got two movie reviews, and I was like, oh,

1027
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:24.000
what you have to say about the woman in cabin ten?

1028
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:29.039
I was like, oh, okay, well like two sentences. Maybe

1029
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.119
not for the website, but I'll definitely put that on

1030
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:35.000
on Facebook for for our listeners. Yeah, maybe maybe it's

1031
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:36.679
time you get your own column. I don't know. You'll

1032
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:38.519
need to catch you title though. Uh, we gotta we

1033
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:40.159
gotta figure this out the more if you gotta keep

1034
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.199
doing these, we gotta we gotta get you. There has

1035
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:43.800
to be there should be a link on the on

1036
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:48.280
the website for for your movie reviews. Wayne's writing book reviews,

1037
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:51.880
You're doing movie reviews. It's uh, you know, all kinds

1038
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:53.880
of good stuff on that website now, So I will

1039
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:58.239
I will all right. Well, in the meantime, to all

1040
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of you listening to the show, following us on social media,

1041
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:05.320
and subscribing to our Patreon, we thank you.

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