Ron Shelton - Cobb

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Brad. It is springtime at last, which can only mean one thing.

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Baseball is back. That's right,
baseball and baseball movies. Absolutely, absolutely,

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Yeah, our Cincinnati Reds can only
get better this season, I think,

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hope. Sorry, well, let's
keep the discussion on baseball. Let's

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talk about a film by Ron Shelton, his nineteen ninety four underrated biopic Cobb.

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Hello everybody, and welcome back to
a FUMBI podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson.

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I am Brad Kozo. Brad,
you mentioned now is the time to

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start watching baseball movies. Yeah.
And if you're gonna watch baseball movies,

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I mean the man responsible for the
best baseball movies you know, you could

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say, or best sports movies in
general. What about you think? Yeah?

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And I gotta I gotta, I
gotta say before we get into this

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one, we got to talk about
the Patreon for second. Let's let's do

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it. Let's do it. Let's
do a seventh inning stretch for the Patreon,

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because this episode is uh, this
is happening because of our very first

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patron, and that is none other
than Jason Colvin. Dear friend. He's

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been on the show before. From
the surely you Can't Be Serious podcast where

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he co hosts with our other good
friend d Graves. You know, Jason

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said, I would love to hear
what you guys do for Cobb. You

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know, he loves loves Ron Shelton
movies. We love Ron Shelton movies,

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and he put Cobb on the radar. Correct. Yeah, A good interesting

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watch for us, Yeah, definitely. Well, Jason, I know you're

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listening, so I hope you enjoy
your episode that we are dedicating to you

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that you have made possible. Brad. For those that have not seen Cobb,

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let us know what it's all about. Okay, quick synopsis. Four

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thousand, one ninety one is the
number of base hits that the legendary Tie

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Cobb carried as the self proclaiming greatest
baseball player ever. Cobb, feeling that

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the sports legend is nearing the end
of his life, decides to write his

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memoirs and hire sports writer Al Stump
to write the biography. Stump, thinking

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this could be the best opportunity ever, realizes there's a darker side to Cobb

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he may regret. Ever, knowing, I would say, that's a that's

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very, very very telling of what
this movie is. I'll just say this,

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you know, first time, my
first time seeing Cob too. I

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don't know about you. You'res two. Okay, So I'm expecting a baseball

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movie, and I really don't feel
like this is a baseball movie. I

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feel like this is more of like
a road movie between two guys. Yes,

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but the language is very baseball.
I do feel that you do need

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to know some kind of baseball background
to understand the language, especially when you

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know there's certain kind of shots towards
someone's playing ability or you know, things

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like that. So it does help. So, I mean, I still

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see it as a baseball film.
Yeah, I mean I see it as

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a baseball film. Definitely. The
opening, you get that like that nineteen

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forties propaganda style film, you know, with the guy with the very upbeat

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voice, and here's Tie Cobb,
you know, and telling his stats and

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kind of kind of build it up, you know. Yeah, great for

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shattering moment. Is it's a little
boring, and it's meant to be boring

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because I watch at the beginning of
this movie and I'm like, this is

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very cliche and boring, this kind
of this. You get this quick synopsis

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of the life of Ty Cobb as
a baseball player, and I'm like,

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it's kind of lame, but then
it fits in later into the film.

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It's supposed to be that way.
Yeah. Absolutely. Um. I love

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the beginning to the fast talking writers
debate in the bar where we're introduced to

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Al Stump played by Robert Wall,
you know, and they're all the best

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fighter, the best singer, the
best king. Everyone has their own opinion

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that they're fighting back and forth with
until we get the best ball player,

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and then it's pretty much unanimous like
that. Everyone says it's Thy Cobb,

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you know. Movie opens in nineteen
sixty Santa Barbara and Wow, Tommy Lee

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Jones as Ty Cobb. Let's let's
let's let's talk about him for a minute.

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Um. I feel like I've seen
a lot of Tommy Lee Jones lately.

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He's in so many good films,
And I recently watched the film of

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his because I'm reading this Quentin Tarantino
book and one of his favorite movies this

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movie, Rolling Thunder, and Tommy
Lee Jones is very young in the film,

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but plays a very disturbed soldier.
He has had it since the beginning.

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He just his line delivery just doesn't
seem rehearsed. It doesn't seem push.

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It just feels like he's personality all
the way he takes it. He

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takes it to eleven in this performance. I mean, it's an incredible performance.

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I'll be honest with you, just
because I've seen this for the first

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time recently, his portrayal of Cobb, I'm seeing I'm seeing hints of his

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role in Natural Born Killers, as
you know, I'm I'm definitely seeing hints

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of his performance of Two Face and
Batman Forever, and he's when those films

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around the same time. Yeah,
when Tommy Lee, when Tommy Lee goes

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off the rails, he is and
he's incredible. He's in he's he plays,

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he plays I would say crazy,
but you know, like you get

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what I'm saying. He plays that
that elevation well, I feel like and

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in Cobb Man does he does he
go all out? How about how about

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Robert wall playing Al Stump who was
in to write the biography is Robert wall

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Is he just meant to play like
reporters. It's a good role for him,

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you know, he does really well
with it. And Batman, um,

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he plays a good assistant coach already
working with Shelton before in um Bull

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Durham obviously, but you know he
does it well. You know, I

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know he did really well with the
show I think was called, uh,

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I can't remember the name of it, Tommy Artless Arless. Yeah, that

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did really wear well. And I
believe that catered to his kind of comedy

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and and Forte as a writer type
of Yeah, but I thought he was

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well for it this character, like
he's meant for this character. I feel

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like he plays he plays this type
well. Another great performance in this is

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Lolita Davidovich Ramona, who they meet
in a in a reno. I mean

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again, I know she's she's she's
known for playing like the bubbly show girl,

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but she gets a she gets an
opportunity to play play that, but

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but take it a little bit deeper, a little bit, a little bit

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darker in this movie. I feel
like, well, she's Shelton's wife.

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You know, that definitely helps.
And um I always thought that she was

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going to have a bigger career.
I don't know if that was uh self

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choice or anything, but I always
thought she was really great. I am,

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but she started to make a name
for herself. I remember that movie

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intersection coming out with her Sharon Stone
and um Richard Gear and I always expected

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her because she's adorable, fantastic.
Yeah, she's in a lot of Shelton

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stuff, but um, you know
she plays uh kur Russell's Rife and dark

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Blue. We'll talk about it later, Yeah, well we'll definitely. I

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mean, she's when you think about
it, she's in I think she's in

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five of the nine feature films that
that Shelton does. Yeah, so we're

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obviously gonna be talking about her.
I did see her, and I won't

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tell her. She's great in Curb
Your Enthusiasm, but I don't want to

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say what she does in Kurby.
Okay, yeah, let's but her.

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I always liked her, Yeah I
do too. Moving on, this is

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another guy I really like. I
especially liked him in ten Cup. But

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I'm talking about Lou Myers, who
has a small role in this movie playing

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Willie, who we get the idea
we meet him like, you know,

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uck uh Stump's first meeting with Cobb
is amid Willie quitting you know on Cob,

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Like they don't really specially by what
his what his job was. But

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wow, I mean gunfire and some
very colorful language, you know. Yeah,

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they don't hold back on this on
this movie as far as language and

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behavior at all. Yeah, But
I love I love lu Myers in this

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movie because you you know, when
he quits it at the be end of

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the film, when he when he
when he's quitting, you just saim,

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Okay, well's the last we're gonna
see of him. Exactly. I thought

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the same thing. But we get
one more scene with him, and it's

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one of my it's one of the
funniest scenes. I think, one of

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the better scenes. And and I
say that, and I should preface it

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by saying, Brad, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta just right

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from the gate, right out of
the gate, we gotta say. The

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depiction of Cobb in this film,
he is he is a narcissistic, violent,

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racist, deplorable person. Right,
oh yeah, yeah. Um.

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And even though it's a it's very
dark, it's a very film. I

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feel like there are there are there's
one moment of levity, especially with Lou

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Myers and his role when they're in
the car and you know the scene I'm

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talking about, Yeah, and he
basically explains to you know, Robert Woll's

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character Al what he should do,
whether you should stay with this job,

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you know, of writing this man's
biography or not. He just does him.

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The best advice he can give him
is to leave this sorry, old,

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decrepid racist son of a motherfucker,
you know, just god. And

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it is the best line of the
movie. I'll tell you what, one

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of the one of his other great
lines. Before he gets out of the

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car, he's got the gun on
Tommy Lee Jones. Yeah. Now Tommy

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Lee can't really you know, now
he can he can kind of speak his

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mind and and it's such It's one
of my favorite scenes because Robert Wohl is

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kind of egging it on, like
who was the best at this? And

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he knows because he knows know Lou
Myers is not gonna say Ty Cobb and

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I love I love their debate,
like when he when he talks about when

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Willie says, uh cool, Papa
Bell and Ty you know, Tommy Lee

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Jones is like, are you you
know he's he's so upset, And Willie

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has that line about man, he
is so fast he hit a line drive

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up the middle and hit himself in
the head slide. That's a great line,

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man, That's the baseball linguo.
You need to get that joke.

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You do, you do? You
absolutely do not. We need to play

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the best game. I like that
game. It keeps going off in the

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different things. We need to play
the best game. I like it.

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I would listen the senior talking about
with the sports writers at the beginning.

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Yeah, yeah, the the way
they and again it's so rapid fire,

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how one person says a certain word
or a certain person's name and then that

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leads to like, okay, like
I said, they go from like fighters

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to singers to you know that that
at least Elvis Presley, he's the king,

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well best king, and there they're
like, yeah, you know,

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yeah, we need to play this
game. James, he had a Bible

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written after him, you know,
like, oh, it's a fantastic scene.

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Definitely a fantastic scene. I want
to talk a little bit about some

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some cameos. I don't know there
was two. There's two cameos. I

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caught one, uh no pun intended. But the other one I was surprised

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to see, now you know I'm
talking about. I caught Roger Clements.

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You can't you cannot mistake the Yeah, he's he's in a lot um and

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I can't remember if I saw another
one I missed. I must have missed

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it. Okay, So I'll blow
your mind here for a second, because,

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uh, the scene that we're talking
about actually has both of them in.

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So we only get one baseball scene
in this in the in the entire

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man, Brad, we get one
baseball scene. And it's a great scene

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because Cobb is like kind of making
a bet, like, hey, I'm

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gonna steal second and third and home, you know, and they're like,

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no, there ain't no way.
He's he's going up against Roger Clemmens,

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you know, who obviously is playing
a historical pitcher. But when the fan,

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remember the fan that heckles him,
and uh, Tommy Lee Jones like

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dives into the audience and then he
feels then he realizes he just assaulted a

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disabled guy. You know, yeah, can't he punches the guy. The

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guy can't punch him back because he
doesn't have an arm. Yeah that's right,

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and he felt bad. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I was surprised

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to see that guy was Jimmy Buffett, parrot Head, the parrot head himself,

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all right, yes, Uh so
apparently they needed to fill the stands,

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so Jimmy Buffett. I don't know
how he gets involved, but Jimmy

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Buffett puts on a free concert to
pack the audience, and that's how you

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get That's how you get the you
know, this isn't a CGI crowd.

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Yeah, this is you get all
the crowd in because it's like, hey,

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we're gonna shoot some some baseball scenes
and then Jimmy Buffet will play for

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you. So how about that?
I thought that was that? That was

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wild? Right? I love that
again. This film it's dark, yeah

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right, I don't I don't know
how did you? It teeters on almost

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like Paul Schrader dark darkness a little
bit. You know, it's, um,

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don't get too comfortable when something,
um, I want to say heartwarming

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happens, because it does. There's
some heartwarming moments. Yeah, but actually,

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don't get too comfortable. But it's
also a movie, you know,

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so there's a lot of dramatic license
taken. But um, it was.

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It was a dark watch. But
it was also interesting because, like you,

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I am interested in baseball, and
you know, it is interesting to

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hear stories of our baseball heroes and
stuff. So I still found it interesting.

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Well, here's something I found interesting
because I'm watching it, and the

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more I watched the film, the
more I not only despised Cobb, but

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I start to start to lose respect, all respect for him because of the

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you know, because we're told,
you know, this is this is a

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biography. You know, it's based
off the book Cobb, a biography by

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Al Stump, Right, so you
know, and you know, and and

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Al Stump he co writes this with
Ron Shelton, So you just assume,

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yeah, this is the real deal. Years later we find out it is

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widely discredited. A lot of the
stuff, a lot of a lot of

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the terrible things that Cobb does in
the film never happened, you know.

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Um, like the sexual assault with
Lolita Davidovitch's character Ramona. Yeah, never,

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it never happened. You know.
Did Tai Cobb sharpen his spikes.

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He's on the record as saying,
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So I kind of like watching it, you know, After I watched

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it and I found out a lot
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had a different feeling about the film, Like I felt like I get in

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joy it more knowing that some of
the darker stuff was just put in just

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for the sake of drama. Well, that's that's kind of tough because you

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do want to go with what maybe
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story is talking about the greatness you
know, and you know, but the

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fact that it didn't happen. We
all know from shuelas Joe Jackson and Field

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of Dreams. He could have played
at the Field of Dreams, but none

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of them can stand the poor son
of a bitch wasn't alive, so they

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told him to stick it. Yeah, so there's some truth to it,

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a lot of it. Yes,
dramatic license does it? Does people discrediting

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the Jim Morrison's story make you not
like The Doors by Oliver Stone anymore?

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You know? Or there's it still
can be a fun movie, And you

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can say because a lot of this
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so it makes the story more interesting
as opposed to just talk talking about

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baseball the entire movie. I'll tell
you what you can't discredit is Tommy Lee

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Jones physicality in it. This is
something that blew my mind. He breaks

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his leg right before filming and he's
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filming, which is okay because Cobb
the old Yeah, yeah for the old

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persons scenes. But that shot of
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you got that tight shot on Tommy
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he's really running hard, it's that
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leg that is is just over being
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pain he must have felt, and
like even the diving slide that he does,

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putting his putting his his foot into
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things down and stop things for a
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got hurt there too. I can't
believe that he's out there running bases after

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breaking his leg like that. Yeah, no chance. Man. Would we

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have gotten more baseball scenes if he
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I kind of wonder like was there
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they really play up the whole thing
where he hates Babe Ruth and they don't

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get along. Yeah, we know
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beginning that they were, you know, they're like and here's here he is

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with his his rival Babe Ruth.
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have been some more some more baseball
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field that would have been cool.
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the week things about the film is
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I thought at the beginning of the
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film that's going to be constantly going
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a telling. But we don't really
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I think people would want to hear. I get you. Well, let's

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talk about Well, if I asked
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that there's not enough baseball in it, and that's fine, but there are

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there are you know, there's scenes
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Yeah, if I asked you,
do you do you have a pivotal scene

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that it's it's the most important scene
in the movie for you, not your

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favorite scene, but the most important
scene, the important scene where he's describing

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his reasoning for basically having final edit
over the over the book of people.

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Yeah, basically Robert Woll's intention.
Al Stump's intention is to have two manuscripts.

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One that he shows Cobb every morning
about baseball and what it was like

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and how great he was and the
people that involved with and the other manuscript

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he was keeping secret is about Cobb's
personal life, his marriage, is his

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uh, you know, problems,
things like that. So Cobb is explaining

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to him what people need to hear, what they want to hear, That

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they need a hero that they want
to be able to believe in something like

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greatness, and things like the personal
tragedies that happen to that person shouldn't be

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included in that, you know,
and it's not maybe the right of somebody

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to put that in there, to
discredit the things that they did achieve.

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Yeah, that was the pivotal scene. It is a great it's a great

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scene, you know, because Cobb
is just saying what he expects, his

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expectations. Al Stump is saying.
He's basically trying to explain to him,

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you know, people want to know
the real you. They don't care about

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how to steal second base and how
to how to hit a line drive.

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Is that the book you want?
And Cobb's like, yes, it's a

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book about baseball. It's a book
about me playing baseball. Yeah. So,

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And I want to say the reason
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is it is saying we should look
at our professionals achievements and see if their

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faults affected those achievements, which is
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That's why that film spoke so good
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ends up breaking Thy Cobbs record of
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is not in the Baseball Hall of
Fame, should be looked at for his

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achievements, not his faults that do
not concern his achievements. For the non

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Cincinnati Reds fans, Brad, you
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the night of September eleventh, nineteen
eighty five, at Riverfront, Pete Rose,

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one of our heroes, officially broke
the all time record for hits in

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Major League Baseball four thousand, ninety
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Yes, and it knows that there's
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one of the first stills that you
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the Pete Rose shot. And if
you watch that movie with commentary with Tim

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Robbins and Kevin Costner, they talk
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Yeah, well you again, back
to the scene that you're talking about,

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the your pivotal scene. You said
something and it's a question that I had

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for you, so and maybe you
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gonna be does knowing the great things
the great things a terrible person does make

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them less terrible or make them more
tolerable? You know, because and I'm

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not talking just about ty COB's stats. I'm talking about you know, when

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when when Mickey Cochrane shows up and
then we find out all Tie has been

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helping him, you know, financially. You know, he never wanted press

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and he don't put that in the
book. Every time, every time we

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see something that makes us like ty
Cob, he's quick to say, don't

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put that, that doesn't go in
the book, that's off the record,

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don't put that the book. And
it's it's kind of sad because it's like,

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Okay, well now I don't know
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he's he's the meanest man in baseball. He's a jerk, but maybe maybe

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he's not as bad. He's balancing
it out. No, he's balancing it

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out. He's not saying you can't
print these bad things about me, of

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showing what a personal jerk I am. But you but he can't also put

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there, Oh what a nice thing
I did. Go ahead and put it

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in and make it sound like I'm
a saint. He doesn't do that.

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He wants it to be just about
baseball. Yeah. I have a different

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scene that I think is the most
pitvol scene. Okay, So the end

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of the film that they reach Cooper's
town because they're gonna honor Taie Cob right,

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he's going to the Hall of Fame. I love the moment where they're

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like, and we've got a a
little presentation here, a little film for

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you, and you start to watch
the same reel, that propaganda reel that

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we see from the beginning of the
film, and my brain's like, oh,

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okay, nice, nice way to
book in the movie. But as

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Cobb watches it, he starts to
see terrible things that he did in his

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past. And the way that you've
got the upbeat narrator going, you know,

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talking about the abuse he gives his
wife and you know how he neglects

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his children and and and Cobb is
like getting embarrassed and he's like kind of

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panicked, and he's looking around because
he's looking around and everyone's like laughing and

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ooing and on, and he's like, what did you And meanwhile they're just

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seeing the real that we saw in
the beginning of film. So narration in

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his head is the exact same as
the narration to the film. Yeah,

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but now he's in his he's coming
to terms with the fact that he maybe

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he isn't the best person, maybe
he isn't a nice guy. Yeah.

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I love that moment because it kind
of and it lets you the audience now

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like, okay, well is it
what is he full of? Is he

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full of it the whole time?
Or did he do the bad things he

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did or did he not do the
bad things he did? So it's it's

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in my opinion, it's a it's
a it's an individual who's coming to terms

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with the bad things that he has
done because he's guilty. He feels guilty

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over it. Yeah, And it's
and it's a turning point for cod because

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after that, that's when he wants
to go reconnect with his daughter, right

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yeah, and he wants to do
nice things, you know, he wants

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to you know, bring the family
back together in the in the same burial

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plot and you know, and all
that, all the all the good stuff.

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Right. So yeah, but once
again, don't print it, he

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said, yeah, exactly. But
I love the fact that that that moment

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in the film where he comes to
terms with who he is, his reflection.

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I think that's I think that's one
of the best moments in the movie.

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Well, let's take a quick break
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You want to talk about Ron Shelton. Yeah, well, it's actually

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not the first time we talked about
Ron Shelton. If you remember a little

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episode on nineteen eighty six called Best
of Times, we talked a little bit

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about him. We did. But
before we get to that, let's talk

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a little bit about the man himself, Ronald Wayne Shelton. Now, Brad,

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typically this is the point where I
like to give you a little bit

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of background on the director. Tell
you where they came from and where they

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went to school. Right, We're
gonna do something a little bit different.

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Okay, I'm gonna give you Ron
Shelton stats. Oh guy. And the

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reason why I'm gonna give you his
stats, Brad. Ron Shelton played minor

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league baseball from nineteen sixty seven to
nineteen seventy one. That makes sense,

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it doesn't it make sense sense?
He Yeah, So he played for the

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Bluefield Orioles, the Stockton Ports,
the Florida Instructional League Orioles, the Dallas

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Fort Worth Spurs, and the Rochester
Red Wings. So yeah, I mean,

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he he went all around. He
knew that exact story. Wow,

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he knew he knew the life,
right I will I will point out he

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did not play for the California Penal
League like wild thing. But yeah,

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he was drafted by the Baltimore Orioles
in the thirty ninth round of the nineteen

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sixty six MLB draft and over five
seasons, Brad, here's what Ron Shelton

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did. Four hundred and seventy nine
games. He batted two fifty one with

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four hundred twenty five hits, one
hundred twenty seven RBIs, ten home runs,

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and drove in two hundred and fifty
seven runs. Not a bad career.

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That's not a bad stat at all. No better stat nineteen ninety seven,

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as you alluded to earlier. He
marries actress Lolita Davidovich. Yeah,

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so if you're really going to end
your career on a highlight, there,

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there you go. Right. Uh, let's talk a little bit about his

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work though. Now before we get
into his filmography, I want to talk

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about because he's he's written a lot
of his films, right, Yeah,

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he wrote he wrote eight. Yeah, he wrote eight of his nine feature

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length films. But there's four movies
he wrote he wrote that that he didn't

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direct. I want to I want
to quickly talk about them and get your

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get your opinion on him obviously,
Yeah, you already said it nineteen eighty

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six the best of times. What
more can we not say? Because you

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and I did a great yeah episode
for eighty six we had Dayton Johnson of

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the Documents seventy seven podcast with us. That was a fun episode. Yeah,

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that was great. And of course
or said, definitely fits into the

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the Ron Shelton language. It does, done it? What did you think?

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I'm curious to know. What did
you think of Blue Chips? He

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wrote that came out in ninety four
when we graduated. I forgot to see

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it. Um, I remember seeing
a little bit about it. Uh,

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definitely needs to maybe need another watch. It's directed by William Friedkin. I

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mean it's gotta be somewhat good.
We talked about Nick Nolty on You Turn

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and but yeah, I would definitely
give it another shot now knowing I didn't

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know he wrote that screenplay. I'll
tell you this. I saw it in

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ninety four in theaters. Okay,
I remember thinking it was good. Wasn't

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great, guy, But it's one
of those movies I have watched probably a

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dozen more times when I when I've
caught it on cable. It gets better

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every time I watch it. Okay, And like you said, you've got

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it's you've got to, you've got
to you got a billy freaking script or

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you got a billy freaking movie written
by Ron Shelton starring Nick Nolty. Yeah,

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about about basketball. It's good.
I'm gonna just tell you give it,

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you know, give it a second
chance Sunday. Okay, I give

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it. I think you're definitely gonna
like it. Uh, speaking of shots,

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let's talk about The Great White Hype. He wrote that in nineteen ninety

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six. Did you ever see that? One? Never saw that. It

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was just one of those movies that
I just don't think there was appeal enough

406
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.319
of what it was about, whether
it really was any good, It just

407
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.400
it just kind of fell flat.
I remember seeing it on shelves when we

408
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.319
worked on the video store, but
like one copy and never selling. Well,

409
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.400
i'll tell you what I'll tell you. Who agrees with you is the

410
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.599
writer Ron Shelton. Yeah. I
never saw it either, and I doubt

411
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.799
I'm going to now because here's what
Ron Shelton said about the Great White Hype,

412
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:02.640
and I quote I tried to get
my name taken off it because the

413
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:06.839
film they made was not the script
I wrote. I find it a horrible

414
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:11.440
movie. Okay, So I don't
think we're gonna be covering the Great White

415
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.400
Hype in any future episode. So
yeah, that's definitely gonna be a skip

416
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.920
one. You one, we definitely
did not skip because I know we saw

417
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.240
this together in the theaters. He
write, he writes a screenplay for Bad

418
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:29.160
Boys too. Remember being extremely shocked
when I believe I read that he was

419
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:34.359
the screenwriter for that, and being
very intrigued of what he was going to

420
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:40.079
do with that. But that's when
he kind of delves. We get a

421
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:45.440
little different side of Ron Shelton.
You get the buddy action comedy. You

422
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.279
do, you do a little bit. Well, I just wanted to take

423
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.480
a quick moment to talk about the
four films that he did write that he

424
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:59.799
did not direct, But let's talk
about what he did direct. I think

425
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:05.319
it's to say we have taken our
time getting to his actual films that he

426
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.240
directed. You know, we Loally
gagged at the beginning of the episode.

427
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:14.759
We Lola gagged before the break?
What's that make us? Brad? Lolygaggers,

428
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:22.759
lolygaggers all right nineteen eighty eight,
he brings us Bull Durham. I'd

429
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:27.119
say the greatest baseball movie ever.
I would say that. I did say

430
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:32.400
that on the Top seven Best Baseball
Films episode for the Docking Base seventy seven

431
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:37.359
podcast, and I wanted to say
anything else because if you want to know

432
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:43.799
how great Bull Durham is, check
out our friends Jason and d because they

433
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:45.920
covered Bull Durham and they did a
fantastic episode. So if you want to

434
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.839
deep dive on Bull Durham, that's
where you go, right. Yeah,

435
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.200
And it makes you appreciate the movie
more knowing that he spent all that time

436
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:58.440
in the minor leagues. It really
eat Yeah, it makes it so much

437
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:02.599
better that it can him of a
feeling itself that was great. It gives

438
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:07.119
me a whole new appreciation for Bull
Durham because I watched him recently and knowing

439
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:12.200
like, okay, a lot of
this is a lot of it's autobiographical.

440
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:19.920
For Ron Shelton's sad as hell,
absolutely but still great, but still great.

441
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.839
Let's talk about his his first time
working with his future wife, Lolita

442
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:30.799
Davidovitch nineteen eighty nine, he does
his first biopic with Blaze. Did you

443
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.640
see this one? No, And
I didn't know it was a biopic and

444
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:37.799
it's a Paul Newman, right,
Paul Newman, I'll watch it. I

445
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:39.599
would like to watch it. You
gotta see it, Brad, because it's

446
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:45.880
again it's Ron Shelton directing Paul Newman. It's all about the Louisiana governor who

447
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:50.400
falls in love with a stripper.
And you know, he was already like

448
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.640
highly controversial because of his the policies
that he had, and it's all about

449
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:59.079
the people trying to tear him down
because like, okay, well now he's

450
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.319
now he's hooked up with the stripper, you know, and they're thinking,

451
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:06.200
you know, scandal, but he, you know, the guys in love

452
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.039
with her. So you know,
it's it's it's it's got comedic value to

453
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.840
it too, So I think you
would like it. Check it out.

454
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.159
Paul Newman definitely having a fun time
in that episode in that in that movie.

455
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:22.119
Speaking of fun times, let's jump
into the nineties. Nineteen ninety two,

456
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:29.000
he directs White Men Can't Jump.
You didn't expect a movie called this

457
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:34.159
to be as good as it was. You definitely did not. This is

458
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.440
one of the greatest. I mean, yeah, it's it's definitely a basketball

459
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.599
movie. I get it. They're
they're like they're they're street hustlers, but

460
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:45.280
it's a basketball movie. Yeah,
it's the Hustler for basketball. Yea.

461
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:50.840
I love it and very much in
the same vein of like Bull Durham,

462
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:54.280
of not going the way that you
thought it would all go. Hmm.

463
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:58.960
First time direct, first time working
with a Woody Harrelson on this one,

464
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:05.159
and uh, I didn't expect Harrelson
to come up with this because he this

465
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.880
was right after Cheers, right or
was this during Cheers? It was around

466
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.360
yeah, right after Cheers. You
know, he wasn't or I mean yeah,

467
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.280
he hadn't done like natural Born Killers
and stuff like that. I think

468
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.480
Cheers ended around ninety two. Yeah, okay, this is this is the

469
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:22.599
beginning of Woody Harrelson, the movie
film right, yeah, the film actor.

470
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.599
Yeah, I like that, the
film actor. Uh yeah. Him

471
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:29.840
and Snipes though amazing, and it's
it's one of those movies like it doesn't

472
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:35.039
matter. It's yeah, it's been
like thirty something years, but we're still

473
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.960
watching it, we're still talking about
it never felt dated. It still doesn't

474
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:44.079
feel dated, and it's clothing maybe
yeah, but it's fun. It's give

475
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:47.320
give us another snipes Harrelson film one
more. I would take that in a

476
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:52.440
second. Uh. We've been talking
about Cobb, which came out in nineteen

477
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:57.920
ninety four, but two years later
he does, he does what I think

478
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.239
might be aside from Bull Durham,
this might be his set, his next,

479
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.159
his second best effort ever. Talking
about his he gets back together with

480
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.239
Kevin Costner, Brad, we're talking
about tin Cup. Yeah. I mean,

481
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:20.320
if you don't play golf, you
will after this movie. Like Bull

482
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:25.719
Durham. It explains why people play
this silly sport that they do. That

483
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:30.159
there's always a love for something,
but a film that I don't think you

484
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:36.079
have to be a big golf person
to really really enjoy. It's about those

485
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:40.119
characters. You're right, I mean
this is the film. I think this

486
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:46.960
movie comes out and there is a
a bigger interest in golf. And I'm

487
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.639
not talking about watching it. You
know, maybe there was that too,

488
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:52.920
but I'm talking like people. People
wanted to go out on the course,

489
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:57.599
right, They wanted to play golf. You know, you're seeing Kevin Costner's

490
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.880
Roy McAvoy's is washed up pro who's
got one last shot to go up against,

491
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:07.039
you know, the pro the headliner
on the tour, right, Don

492
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:14.239
Johnson. Yeah, yeah, David
Simms, I think David. Yeah,

493
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.760
we we simply sim Sims. We
quote uh, we quote tin Cup quite

494
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.480
a lot. It's got some quotable
films. That is a highly quotable movie.

495
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.840
Uh. Lou Myers he you know, this is his second time working

496
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.000
with him. He he played Clint, which again love Clinton. You know,

497
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:34.480
I love that character. I love
I love tin Cup. You know,

498
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.760
his whole, his old gang,
his his buddies that you know,

499
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:43.039
Yeah, his whole, his whole
group of there's a lot of great character

500
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:47.039
actors in that group. And then
of course you have and and Kevin Costner

501
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.320
together or just just hilarious. That's
yeah, such a great film. So

502
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.679
you know, I want to watch
I want to watch golf. I'll watch

503
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:59.880
the US Open. After watching that, just because of how good it is,

504
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:01.400
you'll get a little interested in it. You might think it's silly,

505
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:05.079
but you'll get interested in it.
Yeah, And you're right, man,

506
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.719
so quotable. Like I can't tell
you how many times you and I have

507
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.960
been on road trips or whatever.
You're you'll just I've been dreaming about waffles

508
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:15.719
first damn near miles. You know, I love uh. I always I'll

509
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:21.119
use a lot of the the Don
Johnson quote a lot of times if if

510
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.760
I do something and I'd make a
point to like just really crush something,

511
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:30.119
and I'll be like still going.
You know. Yeah, the seven iron

512
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:35.360
on the on the highway trick.
That was. That was fantastic. Uh.

513
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:39.039
Let's talk about nineteen ninety nine.
He teams up with and this is

514
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.679
the great thing, Shelton. He
finds a great actor and then he he

515
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:49.119
he revisits them every couple of movies, right, So you know his second

516
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.719
time teaming up with Woody Harrelson in
nineteen ninety nine when he did play It

517
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:59.079
to the Bone. Yeah, Harrelson
and Antonio Badaris playing uh past their prime

518
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:02.679
fighters for one big pay Day.
I never got to see it. I

519
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.880
would like to see it just because
it's a run shout and film and both

520
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.199
those actors are great. But that
movie, like he said, it was

521
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:15.239
nineteen ninety nine. That was a
packed year, you know, and that

522
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:22.440
was it to see a boxing comedy
with all that stuff going on in nineteen

523
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:27.119
ninety nine, I can see while
myself you know, missed it. Yeah,

524
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.280
I'll be honest, I didn't watch
it in nineteen ninety nine. It's

525
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:35.440
one of those I found, you
know later on cam. Yeah, but

526
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.239
again again, do your homework check
it out, because I think this is

527
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:43.719
gonna be one that you you like. I mean, anytime Antonio Bandaris is

528
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.480
doing something in like an an action
type of role. And I'm not saying

529
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:50.519
that this is an action movie.
It's you know, but it's a they're

530
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.639
fighters. Yeah, but he also
brings the comedy. Yeah, you know,

531
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:58.760
like like like he does. I
think you're gonna like it. I

532
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:04.800
liked it again, like to quote
your famous second Chance Sunday, going back

533
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.119
and watching it again, I was
like, yeah, this movie, it

534
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:12.519
should have done better. It should
have been bigger everything it is. I

535
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.760
mean, you know, this is
I think, what the third time he's

536
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:21.480
worked with his uh his wife,
Davidovich. You know you also got Lucy

537
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:28.400
lew in that. Um, you
know there's time sizemoores in it. I

538
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.840
know we did. But there's some
great you know you were talking character actors

539
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:35.719
in tin Cup. There's some great
ones in a play it to the bone.

540
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:39.079
So you definitely need to check that
one out. One I think everyone

541
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:43.559
should check out because I know,
Brad, this was this was underrated.

542
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:49.599
We could have easily talked about this
film that I'm about to mention instead of

543
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.480
of Cobb if we're gonna do a
Ron Shelton movie, But let's talk about

544
00:40:52.480 --> 00:41:00.480
two thousand and two's Dark Blue.
Yeah, this is where Shelton shifts from

545
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:07.800
sports movies to police movies or crime
action dark thrillers. You know, he

546
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:14.639
just he does. We just mentioned
he writes Bad Boys too. So after

547
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:19.039
success of David Air's script of a
Training Day, his next police drama based

548
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.079
on a James Elroy story, is
this Dark Blue movie that Shelton does.

549
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:30.239
And this is I understand there's a
certain kind of hard to watch with Cobb.

550
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:32.079
There's a certain kind of hard to
watch with this movie too, But

551
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.480
god, Kurt Russell is so awesome
in it. Okay, So we love

552
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:42.599
Kurt Russell in everything, damn everything
he does. We love it. Right,

553
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.760
This is the rare moment where you
know, because he obviously he can

554
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:51.639
play a good anti hero. You
know he We've seen Snake Place. He

555
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.880
is the best anti hero. He
is the best anti hero. Okay,

556
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:58.840
I you know what I will concede. I will concede because I can't.

557
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:02.119
I can't argue that point with you. But we don't typically get to see

558
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.920
Kurt Russell as a villain, as
someone you don't like, and his role

559
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:14.000
in Dark Blue, we're not meant
to like him. No, he is,

560
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.440
you know the great thing about this? Okay, So it's all about

561
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:22.599
a homicide investigation that's taking place what
like three four days before the verdict of

562
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:30.480
the Rodney King trial is heard in
Los Angeles, and stuff is already not

563
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.960
doing well. Yeah, already we're
having bad, bad, bad times.

564
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:39.920
But Kurt Russell playing Eldon Perry is
his name. He's on this special squad

565
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.119
who you know, they're kind of
like they get to do what they want,

566
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.440
you know, But we also we
quickly learned like they're doing a lot

567
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:52.320
of shady activities. Right. This
is the plant the evidence, This has

568
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:54.239
put the gun in the guy's hand. This is the Hey, we need

569
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:58.159
someone for this crime. Let's just
pin it on this guy because he's a

570
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:02.159
scumbag. He really you're not supposed
to like Kurt Russell, but Brad,

571
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:08.719
I gotta tell you I do.
Daddy built this city with bullets yeah,

572
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:14.440
I mean the whole time, Scott
Speedman is playing like his his rookie partner,

573
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.360
who is like the moral compass of
the movie. I'm Gonna do This.

574
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:22.079
He didn't like the first time I
saw it, but because he seems

575
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:28.239
kind of dopey and almost kind of
dumb in it. But I almost feel

576
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:31.639
that is his character now now watching
it. It was like this only works

577
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:37.400
of him being so manipulated by these
guys if he's kind of you know,

578
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.760
you know, kind of dumb,
kind of not sure of himself at all.

579
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.000
Yeah, because because uh, like
the the guy running the whole thing

580
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.880
played by Brendan Gleeson, he's the
puppet master, right, and we get

581
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.599
we we find out like he he
has a scumback because he's doing all these

582
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:57.320
illegal activities he's playing, you know, he's he's having these uh, these

583
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:01.239
guys, these crooks, these use
the criminals, knock off you know,

584
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:06.920
liquor stores and stuff like that,
and he's pocketing the money. And to

585
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.079
your point, Steebens, it's not
that his performance is bad, because he

586
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:14.079
does a good job, you know, playing like that naive, dopey guy.

587
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.039
I just I don't like his character. Like when his character is weak,

588
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.639
but I think it's supposed to be. It's you're right, it's supposed

589
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.239
to be. But if we're supposed
to be like falling on his side of

590
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.639
things, like you know what,
I hope this guy, you know,

591
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:30.639
you know, this guy's the White
Knight, and I want him to to

592
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.360
win. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not in that camp. You

593
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:38.119
know. I'd be more in being
Rom's camp because he is sensational as the

594
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:43.519
assistant police chief. I love being
in this movie. Yeah, this is

595
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:47.519
before Arby's. We have the meats? Is that is that being Rom?

596
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:54.039
Right? No way, he's he's
the Arby's guy. Yeah, that's him.

597
00:44:54.559 --> 00:45:00.719
I'm fact checking you on that.
Okay, I'm gonna tell you one.

598
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:07.679
A year later, Shelton does Hollywood
Homicide buddy cop comedy with Josh Hartnett

599
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:12.880
and Harrison Ford. Yeah, I'm
not a fan, are you? Okay?

600
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:20.920
Release this movie in nineteen ninety five
and it would have done fantastic.

601
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:27.280
This kind of film was done with. Unfortunately it's in the vein of the

602
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.320
lethal weapons, you know, forty
eight hours, you know, whatever,

603
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:36.519
you type of buddy cop movie that
you want. They weren't really doing them

604
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.239
anymore. You know, So this
type of film just I didn't think it

605
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:45.000
was a bad film. I think
it's even It's got some good elements in

606
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.039
it at all. The fact that
it takes place in Hollywood and there's some

607
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.519
things in Los Angeles that they talk
about and making fun of Josh Hartnet's acting,

608
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.239
I think is kind of good.
It's just wrong time for that movie.

609
00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.719
But it's still I think it's a
decent movie. Is it. Okay,

610
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.599
maybe it's Harrison Ford. Okay,
I wasn't. I wasn't sure.

611
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.400
I'm I'm still not sure that I
that I like his performance in it,

612
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:12.880
you know, because I know we're
going Harrison Ford comedy. So is it

613
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:19.119
just me being wrong because like I
want the Harrison Ford action heroic guy.

614
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.119
Possibly because yeah, he's he's not
he's kind of bubbly in this movie.

615
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:27.320
He's you know, he's funny.
He's not he's not got all the answers.

616
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:31.119
He doesn't, you know, he
can miss sometimes he's he gets this

617
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:37.400
car repode. You know. Well, Lolita Davidovitch back again. I think

618
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:40.559
this is her fourth time. And
at this point, yeah, they've they've

619
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:45.559
been married because they got like like
we said they got married a couple of

620
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:49.400
years after Cobbs. So she was
in Dark Blue. Obviously great. You

621
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:53.119
know yeah, I feel like we
kind of missed talking about her in Dark

622
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.960
Blue because she is you know,
it's again, it's not the role that

623
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:01.239
we typically see her do, and
they're both The second one is pretty big,

624
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:07.280
very big scene, very good moment
for her. Um. All right,

625
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.119
well, maybe I'll give Hollywood homicide
another chance, Brad, because you

626
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:13.880
might have won me over there.
Okay, I know we're not. We

627
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:17.599
don't typically talk about television episodes that
people direct, but I do want to

628
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:21.960
point out because I feel like this
is this this counts because it's a documentary

629
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:29.079
film. Ron Shelton in twenty and
ten does the He's one of the directors

630
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:36.400
involved in the ESPN's thirty for thirty
series, which have been some phenomenal documentary

631
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:40.079
short documentary subjects. Um, but
it's uh, it's in twenty ten.

632
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:45.800
I believe he does the episode.
Uh, Jordan rides the bus. This

633
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:51.400
about his baseball career. This is
about Michael Jordan. Um. You know,

634
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:57.719
Bulls win their third championship, his
father is tragically murdered, Michael retires

635
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:01.840
and decides he wants to play baseball, and you know, and everyone because

636
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:07.920
everyone I remember Brad when we were
kids, like we we we freaked out,

637
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:09.280
like what do you mean he's quit
in basketball? He's the greatest basketball

638
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:13.800
player of all time? And then
you find out that he's gonna play for

639
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.639
the White Sox and we hadn't,
I mean, I will. I was

640
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:22.840
like, okay, well Bo Jackson
plays two sports and he's he's amazing.

641
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:25.719
So Michael Jordan, Yeah, Michael
Jordan can do it, right, I

642
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:31.440
had his baseball card. Yeah,
well I'll tell you something if you haven't

643
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:37.400
seen it, you know, and
again we're talking fifty one fifty two minutes.

644
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.559
You know, it's a it's a
short documentary subject, but Shelton really

645
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:46.880
captures the essence of who Michael Jordan
the person is and explains and helps show

646
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:51.320
you why this was so important for
him to do, because the bottom line

647
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.000
is his father always wanted him to
be a baseball player. Yeah, he

648
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:59.119
chose basketball. His dad always thought
baseball. You know, it's not like

649
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.639
Michael Jordan's just a sided. Hey
I'm not gonna play basketball and I think

650
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:06.159
I'll try baseball. He was a
baseball player yeah, you know early on,

651
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:12.559
so uh and just seeing like,
uh, just the the struggle that

652
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:14.760
he has because you know, you
think this is the greatest, one of

653
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:16.400
the greatest athletes of all time.
Look what he does on the on the

654
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:21.159
court. So yeah, he'll just
walk in and hit home runs and and

655
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.599
make amazing plays and he doesn't.
Yeah, it didn't, but you know,

656
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:29.360
at the same time, it didn't
go it didn't go horrible, you

657
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:34.239
know. So it's very interesting if
you're if you're a fan, I know

658
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.800
it's on Disney Plus right now.
I would strongly recommend if you're a fan

659
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.800
of Ron Shelton, if you're a
fan of Michael Jordan, if you're a

660
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:47.000
fan of baseball, you gotta check
out Jordan Rides the Bush. Excellent episode

661
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:52.039
for thirty for thirty. Moving on, Brad, the last thing he directed

662
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:57.719
in the twenty seventeen uh come another
comedy. He's back to comedy. He's

663
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:02.599
back with Tommy Lee Jones, back
with Rene Russo, he is uh now

664
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:09.559
with Morgan Freeman, Joey Pantaliano.
Okay, we who we love talking about

665
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:14.000
a film. I don't know if
you've seen this one, Brad, I

666
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:19.199
have not just getting started, so
you gets let me, let me,

667
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.079
let me play. Let me break
this down for you. Uh. Tommy

668
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.840
Lee Jones is an x FBI agent
you know, so thank thank Sam Girard

669
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:31.960
Yeah, and an ex mob lawyer
and who's in the Witness Protection program played

670
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:37.199
by Morgan Freeman. They got to
put aside their petty petty rivalry on the

671
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:42.760
golf course to fend off a mob
hit. Okay, I'm giving you.

672
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.480
I'm giving you a fugitive ten cup
in a Ron Shelton comedy. What what

673
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:52.960
do you think? I don't know. It's PG thirteen Russo. Yeah,

674
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:58.599
I'd watch it because she's just so
gorgeous she is she is. I'd give

675
00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:00.199
it. I'd give it. I'd
give it a look. I want,

676
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:04.280
I want you to give it a
give it a look. See. Because

677
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.039
I thought it was funny. I
like, oh, you saw it,

678
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:09.360
Okay, I didn't. Okay,
no, no, no. I wanted

679
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:12.840
to see what you thought about it. So I could say, yes,

680
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.079
you're right, it is awesome and
it's funny, or I could say no,

681
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.280
Brad, I thought it was hilarious. No. Jane Seymour is in

682
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:22.000
it. You know you're talking about
how beautiful Rene Russo is, let's not

683
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.800
forget. Let's not forget. Uh, Jane Seymour's in it, Doctor Quinn,

684
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:30.599
Doctor Quinn, I'd i'd say Solitaire
from you know, Bond Girl.

685
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:39.000
Yeah time, so yeah, fantastic
film. Kind of surprising that he hasn't

686
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:43.760
done something since then, though,
Okay, that's okay, but I think

687
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:47.159
I might I might have his next
project. Okay, well you got it.

688
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.400
I've got it all right. So
then I'm going to ask you,

689
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:57.039
because since he doesn't have anything currently
in development, Brad, if you're gonna

690
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:01.000
pitch Ron Shelton pun intended, what
movie do you want to see him do?

691
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:06.559
Well, I would say to him, Ron, you are to sports

692
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:10.599
movies and baseball movies the way that
Scorsese is with The Mafia, and I

693
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:15.239
think you should finalize since you have
done Cobb, it is now time to

694
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:24.039
get together with Pete Rose and make
the Pete Rose the biopic with him writing,

695
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:29.320
not from another writer, but you
two get together, you write the

696
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:34.599
film. It's a big success,
does really well, and because of that,

697
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.239
Pete Rose is inducted into the Hall
of Fame. That's his next project.

698
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:45.360
So you're pitching a movie where Pete
is seen in a good light.

699
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:50.079
We'll talk about the game his faults
too, you know his faults too.

700
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:52.039
Don't go, oh cob ask on
me though, Yeah I don't. I'm

701
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:57.639
not watching a Cobb styled but about
the baseball so much of it too.

702
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:02.760
But yeah, give me the Pete
Rose biopic called Charlie Hustle or four one

703
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:07.800
nine two. Well you can't call
four one nine two because the Tom Sizemore

704
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:13.599
movie that they did. No,
but I'm talking about big budget movie.

705
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:16.000
Ah, call it Charlie Hustle and
you got me? Or no, wait,

706
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:19.960
who was at forty one ninety two
was called hustle? Pete Rose with

707
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:23.159
Tom Sizemore College called Charlie Hustle because
that sounds that's got, that's got,

708
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:28.239
that's got pep, that's got snap
there you go. All right, Look,

709
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:30.719
I again, you have best to
me because I can't. I can't.

710
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:34.760
I'm not gonna argue against watching a
Pete Rose movie because I want to

711
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.280
see it. I'll ask you this
though, do you any any thoughts on

712
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:43.760
who you want to be playing the
role of Pete Rose? Yes, Kurt

713
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:51.920
Russell, Kurt Russell, Yeah,
but I mean I with all respect he

714
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.719
is he's he's kind of I would
have to do some thinking about that,

715
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:59.320
all right. I feel like you
need a good a good actor that's maybe

716
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:04.039
in his is mid to late thirties
who could effectively play the young Pete but

717
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:07.320
also play the older Pete. Sorry, yeah, I got into the habit

718
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.880
of thinking Kurt Russell can do anything. I just well, yeah, Kurt

719
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:15.719
Russell can always do anything, but
he might not be able to do Pete

720
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:17.719
Rose. So yeah, all right, well, Brad, let's you know,

721
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:24.480
closing closing it up on Cobb.
Do you recommend seeing it? I

722
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:30.119
recommend seeing it. Know that you
are seeing a film, you know,

723
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:35.719
you're not seeing an accurate depiction of
a man's life. So if you want

724
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.920
to see something in that kind of
vein, and yes, if you like

725
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:43.960
the really really historical and accurate information, then no, this isn't the movie

726
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.880
for you. I say, yeah, you should see it, but I'm

727
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:52.280
gonna tell you don't put it in
your your lineup, so to speak,

728
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:57.960
of baseball movies that you watch every
spring, because I know I'm every spring

729
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:01.199
when when baseball season starts, I'm
watching Bull Durham, I'm watching Major League,

730
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:05.320
I'm watching the sand lot, you
know some of these great baseball movies.

731
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.880
Yeah, I'm not putting Cobb in
that rotation. Yeah, it just

732
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:13.280
does it wouldn't fit. It doesn't
feel right right. Yeah, where did

733
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:17.679
you see cob I did have to
run it on Amazon Prime. Yeah that's

734
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:21.719
too. Yeah, definitely worth the
three bucks to see it. I think

735
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:23.400
you can. You can even buy
it on Amazon Prime for like nine bucks

736
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:28.599
maybe bucks. Yeah, it's out
there. It's uh. I think there's

737
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:32.960
also um not that they want you
to do this, but I think you

738
00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:37.280
can find some full copies on YouTube
as well. I don't know how long

739
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.639
they stay up, you know how
long those links are available. But yeah,

740
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:45.280
I would personally go to Amazon,
you know, get the get the

741
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:47.519
high def version, watch it that
way, is what I would say.

742
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:52.360
Yeah, all right, well,
Brad, I think that's gonna do it

743
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:58.400
for us. But I am excited
to say we are just a few days

744
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:05.960
away from a bonus episode. Scott
and Dave are back in the studio this

745
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:13.760
Friday with a composer and horror model
Chad Cochrane, and they're talking about maybe

746
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.760
the best horror film of all time. They're celebrating the forty fifth anniversary of

747
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:24.880
John Carpenter's Halloween. That should be
okay. They finally get to do it.

748
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:30.239
They finally get to do Halloween.
All right, all right, Well

749
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:49.880
until next time. Take care.
Life feels a ball game being played each

750
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:59.199
day. Life is a ball game. Everybody can play. Yes, Jesus

751
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:05.119
stand got the home plate. He's
a waiting for you. The he you

752
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:09.239
know. Life. He is a
bad game, but you've got to play

753
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:09.960
it. Fam