1976 - The Outlaw Josey Wales

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Well, you're gonna polose pistols and
whistle a big scene. Hello everybody,

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and welcome to nineteen seventy six.
It's a limited series from a Film by

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podcast. We are going to be
discussing some of the iconic films of this

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year. We'll share a little bit
of behind the scenes, we'll talk about

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the underrated moments, share some of
our favorite quotes, and let you know

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what we think about it. We
are going to start off with the Outlaw

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Josie Wales and I am very happy
to say my good friend d Graves from

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the Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast
is here with us today. D thank

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you for joining us for out While
Josie Wales, Jeff, thanks for having

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me on. Man, I'm excited
to be here, excited to talk about

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this incredible movie. So this is
the first in the nineteen seventy six series.

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This is the first one for the
nineteen seventy six series. We are

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we are kicking things off with Clint
Eastwood and I think that's that's kind of

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relevant because we just finished up talking
about movies from nineteen seventy eight on our

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A Film at forty five series.
You can't do every movie. And there

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was one movie. Actually, someone
brought it to our attention, Like I

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said, they said, hey,
how could you you miss this one?

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This is a big one for nineteen
seventy eight. It was by design because

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you guys, we knew that you
guys were gonna be covering it recently.

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You guys just talked about every which
way but loose, right, Yeah,

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yeah, that's actually the reason that
I was prepared to talk about the Josie

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Wales movie is because I was like, oh wait, I think I need

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to watch the Alija Jersey Wales before. I watched every which Way but Loose

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and any which way you can,
and I'm glad I did because they were

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they were vital and it was you
know, this is where he met his

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uh Sondra Locke eye down or whatever
you want to call her. She was,

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yeah, this was her first meeting
with mister Eastwood. Yeah, this

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is uh correct me if I'm wrong, this is their first of like six

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movies together. I think that sounds
about right. Yeah. Yeah. I

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think he had a few more movies
with Jeffrey Lewis than with her, but

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I'm not a whole lot more.
Yeah, and uh, I kind of

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you know. I loved the the
uh the work you guys did on every

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which way but loose any which way
we can. If you guys, if

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you have not heard heard that episode, it is fantastic. The show that

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you Can't Be Serious podcast. I
got it. I kind of got the

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feeling. D you guys aren't big
fans of Sondra Locke, No, sir,

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no, no. She You know
how some girls are not that attractive,

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but then when they sang, you're
like, Okay, she's a little

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better looking. It was it was
that she was not that attractive and when

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she sang, she became even uglier
that The moment she sings in this movie

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is it's it's not a good moment. I know we might get to it,

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but so let's let's talk about the
outlaw Josie Wales. Uh. This

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is uh. Clint gets the rights
from a book gone to Texas by Forrest

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Carter, Yeah, otherwise known as
Asia Earl Carter. And before we got

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started recording today, I was like, how much do you really want to

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talk about this? Dude? This
movie has got its its own bit of

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controversy behind the scenes. Uh,
And I had no idea that it started

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even with the book you want to
you wanna do you want to tell us

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a little bit about that? Well, you know, to put it bluntly,

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the guy who wrote the book that
this movie was based on on was

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an outright racist, like klu klux
Klan organizer. I hate that that detracts

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from the awesomeness of this movie,
but we can't deny the fact that you

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know, this, uh, this
guy, I mean, he was a

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political activist who wrote for George Wallace, who was a pro seggregationist. Um

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was all about the white supremacy stuff. Um. And then he goes on

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too, you know when he kind
of gets lambasted for that, he kind

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of goes into hiding for a bit
and then comes back with a with a

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fake name, uh Forrest Carter,
and writes this movie called or excuse me,

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writes this novel called The Education of
Little Tree. But that's after he's

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written a few of others. Um, that one becomes famous. But but

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it was the Gone to Texas or
is that right? Going on? Texas?

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Gone to Texas is the one that's
just this tiny little book that finds

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its way onto Clini Eastwood's desk,
and he says the cover was so terrible

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that he never even picked it up
until somebody was like, hey, have

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you read this, because this would
be a fantastic movie, and he was

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like, oh, okay, I
guess I'll read it. And then once

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he read it, he was like, oh, this is gonna be Yeah,

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this would be a fantastic movie.
I don't think he probably had any

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idea, like most other people had
any idea that the Forest Carter who wrote

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this was the same guy who earlier, you know, a decade earlier,

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was protesting the integration of schools.
Yeah. Well, I don't even think.

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I think a lot of that came
out after the popularity of the movie

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in seventy six. You know,
it's like, you know, because this

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happens, you know, you get, you get a blockbuster, you get

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you get a hit at the at
the at the theater, and then oh,

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it's based off a book, and
then everyone choose up the book.

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You know. It's like when Jaws
came out in seventy five, everyone was

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rushing to pick up paperbacks of Peter
Benchley's Jaws, which again is start.

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There's there's some start contrast from the
book to the to the screen, so

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you know, but then you find
out a little bit, you know,

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you go down the rabbit hole,
as as you guys tend to do on

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your show, and you find out
a little bit more. Uh. So

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yeah, it got a little ugly, uh for this guy. But you

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know, I'm glad whoever put the
book on Eastwood's desk. I mean,

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think about he's he's already he's kind
of made a name for himself as as

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a go to guy for for the
Hollywood Western and right, I think out

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while Josie Wales is one of the
better ones in my opinion. So yeah,

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I mean, uh, the well, before we get off the book,

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I think that when they first when
he got it on his desk,

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they had only published like seventy five
copies, Like this was not oh wow,

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so it's actially published movie. This
is just a kind of sneak into

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this. You know, I don't
I don't even know how that happens,

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honestly with with east Wood. But
um, but yeah, I mean obviously

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he had he had gained fame a
couple of different ways with his Westerns because

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he was he was rowdy yates,
um, you know, back in the

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fifties and in the sixties, he
becomes the man with no Name in the

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spaghetti westerns. But you got a
significant period of time in between the between

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the good, the bad, and
the ugly in this movie, and westerns

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in the seventies and the mid seventies
weren't a thing that was popular. But

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he just said, as long as
you as long as it's a good story,

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it doesn't really matter whether it's popular
or not. You tell it the

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right way and people are going to
come watch absolutely. Uh. Nowde was

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this uh you know you you kind
of were watching Josie Wales to do some

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research for for your for your podcast. Was this the first time watch or

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is this something that you you had
seen when when we were kids? Now?

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Yeah, I saw this when when
I was a kid. My dad

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was a very big or is a
very big clin Eastwood fan, um,

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so I saw quite a few of
them. Uh, and this was this

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was one that would I would see
in rotation pretty frequently on TV UM.

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But honestly, the reason that I
watched this, it wasn't even it wasn't

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even like, oh, I've got
to watch this before I watched every which

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way but loose it was We had
done a podcast with Dale Selby and we

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were talking about poison open up and
say ah. And when we got done

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with the podcast, you know,
Dale had come up from Texas and so

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we're like, hey, let's go
out to eat. And when we're having

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dinner, he was like, by
the way, you guys should totally do

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Unforgiven versus Dances with Wolves. And
so whenever I pulled up every which way,

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but loose Outlaw Jose Wales popped up
and I was like, oh,

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gosh, I've got enough time.
I think I'm gonna go ahead and watch

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that first, because maybe the Outlaw
Jesse were Wales versus the Unforgiven would be

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even a better matchup because you've got, you know, from the seventies,

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and then you've got from the nineties, and if we threw heck, if

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we threw you know, Pale Rider
in there, we hadn't we hit every

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decade? Yeah, But but then
yeah, I mean it was really just

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for enjoyment because I loved movie.
I was just a kid. I did.

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Yeah, I'm right there with you. One of the reasons why,

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you know, I wanted to do
seventy six, which you know, ironically,

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you know, we we we did
a really cool run of eighties for

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nineteen eighty six, it was before
eighty six. I was like, man,

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I'd like to talk about nineteen seventy
six movies, but then the eighty

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sixth thing happened and we just you
know, it ran away with us.

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But you know, my dad,
uh definitely influenced the movies that I watched,

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the movies that I like, you
know, in in nineteen seventy six,

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he's twenty one years old, you
know, getting ready to getting ready

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for his first child, which is
me, and you know, he's still

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going to the drive in. He's
still he's still checking out the cinemas.

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So you know, I asked him, I was like, let's let's talk

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about some of the movies that you
watched right before I was born or you

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know, the year I was born. And you know, so he he's

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given me some insight to some of
some of his favorites and this is one

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of his his his favorites from the
year. So I'm happy to be happy

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to be talking about this one.
Well, I'm really glad you guys are

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doing this year. I mean this
when you when you kind of hit us

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up a few months ago about hey, we're we're talking about all these movies

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from seventy six and sent me that
list. I was like, holy cow,

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there are so many fantastic movies from
that year. Oh yeah, I

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mean just an amazing, amazing year. I didn't even realize, you know,

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just because you know, like I
like you, I was, I

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was born, but I wasn't even
a year old when this movie came out,

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and all these movies from seventy six
are huge parts of my childhood.

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Yeah. Well, I'm hoping,
uh hopeing this won't be your last last

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visit for for seventy six because,
like, like you said, we've got

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some great ones. I know,
you've got some great insight for a couple

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of them. Just in conversations we've
had about Josie Wales, I think,

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like again, you know, we
talked about some of the moments, we

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talked about some of the uh you
know, there's just iconic moments in this

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and it kind of it blows my
mind. This movie's rated PG and it

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definitely should not be, right.
I mean, yeah, you you get

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you get naked sounder lock uh in
an attempted gang rape scene. That's that's

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pretty rough. But this was the
seventies. This is when you had X

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rated theaters on every street corner,
So it was a different, different perspective.

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Yeah, it's you know, I
mean, I don't know how many

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guys get shot, but you know
you got you got got soundra lock,

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you got sexual battery, you got
you got violence across this whole thing,

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and it's you know, Pete.
Obviously PG thirteen didn't exist in in nineteen

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seventy six, but how this didn't
take an R rating is beyond me.

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You know, Yeah, yeah,
I had this. It was the same

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as reaction I had with as Jaws. I was like Jaws is PG.

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Yeah, who nearly five decades on
this earth, I thought that it was

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a an R rated movie for sure. I mean, blood and boobs and

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every all things that you can't do
in PG movies are done exactly now with

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with Joe Wales, like how do
you uh, how do you rate him

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against like say, like the Man
with No Name, or or some of

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his other more iconic Western roles like
do you feel like do you feel like

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it's more of like a is Josie
Whales like a continuation of the Man with

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No Name? Or is he his
own guy? This is He's definitely his

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own guy. I mean, you
get his obviously, you get his backstory,

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which you don't have with the Man
with No Name right out of the

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gate, and he is, you
know, from from farmer to outlaw,

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a rebel, sharpshooter, you know, merciless man. It's a good You

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get an arc within just a couple
of minutes, you know, basically,

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and the reason that he's the reason
that he's so intent on getting the Red

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Legs and the Red Legs are so
intent on getting him, and so having

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that backstory that you don't get with
the Man with No Name, he's he

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seems to be a totally different guy
to me. I agree with it.

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Yeah, I completely agree. Um. I think he does a good mysterious

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gunslingers come into town with it's the
Man with No Name, or let's let's

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say if it's the preacher from Pale
Rider. But I love when he does

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a different kind of character, someone
like Josie Wales, where you get a

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background, you find out what why
is this guy who he is, and

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you know your heart breaks from him
at the beginning of this movie, you

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know he's a simple farmer kind of
kind of takes you well i'd say takes

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you back. But you know,
as obviously we're talking about ninety two or

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ninety one, takes takes me to
like the unforgiven when he's just this broke

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down, you know, farmer who's
just trying to plow a field and get

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you know, take care of his
take care of his family. Um,

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he's a vulnerable Clint Eastwood. And
you don't really see that a lot.

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I think, you know, Clint's
not known for being vulnerable in any of

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his movies or you know, his
reputation, I would say, right.

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And then the great thing great about
this one. You know, you you

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see him lose his family at the
beginning of the movie, and then you

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have, you know, you have
that montage that lets you know the time

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has gone by, and then for
the rest of the movie he seems to

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up a kid, he picks up
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of you know, a female Indian, a male Indian. Then he starts

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picking up an entire family. I
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lost them at the beginning, and
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the that's the key thing that gives
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the film where it's all these people
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that are that are kind of coming
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were. The movie, it's to
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to find their place in America.
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her and her grandmother. Um,
even ten Bears. You know. Will

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makes such an impact. And again, it's just about him wanting a place

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for him and his people, and
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belong. You know, I haven't
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this, but it seems to me
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first movies where the Indians weren't just
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like You've got Dan George and they
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white Josie Wales sneak up on him. And then when he does finally get

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you know, does finally sneak up
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name, moon uh Moonlight, little
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him. I mean, it's just
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Americans in this movie real people,
including uh yeah, Will Sampson, ten

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what I was looking for. Yeah. Well, and I think it's kind

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of cool again, you know when
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fascinating that. I know, at
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hailed this as like, hey,
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us, this is this is you
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know, because the Native Americans this
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in every single Western uh, they're
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movie, because you know, we
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Navajo in this one like that.
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in the language, just like you
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off and starting to rattle it off, all that stuff that's for really her

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talking. That was it was impressive
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about this. The one movie that
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and realism with the Native Americans that
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Man, because that's where Eastwood saw
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I want this guy in Josie Wales. Chief Dan George is fantastic in this.

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He's you wouldn't expect him to be
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but he is time and time again, like the whole like the sneaking up

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on Eastwood scene. Um one one
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of laughed the other day when I
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finds uh finds Loan with little Moonlight
and he's like, everything okay. He's

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like, yeah, everything's okay,
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I guess I'm not guess I'm not
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I love that for Loan. He's
he's fantastic. Um, yeah, let's

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talk d Let's talk a little bit
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have two guys that are just known
for their villainous roles. Uh, Let's

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let's talk about Bill Bill McKinney playing
Captain Terrell. Because I don't know about

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you, but you know, and
I know you guys mentioned this on your

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every which way but loose any which
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this guy in one role forever,
right, Sure, he sure has a

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pretty mouth roll. Yeah, squealed
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watching this. I can't I can't
not see him terrorizing Ned Baity. Yeah,

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the whole time he's just terrorizing.
It was a nice way to put

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that. Yeah, well, I'll
try. I'm trying, right, I'll

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try to remember our sponsors. But
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even outside of Deliverance, you know, he because this guy, he's he's

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slaughtering Josie's family right in the beginning. Yeah, you just can't wait for

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him to get his come up.
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and it's kind of the comment pause
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of great in this because we kind
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the all of the years of movies
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be some sort of kind of magical
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gets killed. And there's not that
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I got you and now I'm just
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well done that it's not bothersome.
I'm not like, well, where's our

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you know, where's our fancy twist
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that's what this guy needed the whole
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psychological terror that Josie inflicts on him with

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the you know, both guns drawn, He's got him dead to rights and

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then it's just click, click,
and he just keeps walking forward slowly,

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you know, and just the hammers
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you're like, and you're waiting for
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all these years later, I'm like, when, when's you know he

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did he put one bullet in there? Like, what's the deal? And

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just for it to end the way
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literally falling on his own sword.
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I think, yeah, yeah,
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don't think. I absolutely agree with
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happen today. Talk a little bit
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I'll piss my back and tell me
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got another saying Senator, oh man, this movie. I can't wait to

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talk. I want to I can't
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quote is from this movie, because
there's there's some great ones in this one.

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Don't don't piss down my back and
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John Vernon, who again iconic villain, known for being iconic villain.

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house, and uh, they have
they have this movie to think for that,

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because this is the movie that John
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says, hey, I need John
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Captain. Fletcher is an interesting villain
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he's Josie's comrade, you know,
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he does the he does like the
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turn um. But then at the
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with with how how that relationship ends. What how about you? Yeah,

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no, it's it's it's wonderful.
I mean he's uh, he's he's Alcibides

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from the from the Greek mythology.
Like he's the guy who, you know,

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when the enemy caught him and said, what's the worst punishment we can

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give you? He was he was
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the worst thing that you could make
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armies. And that's exactly what Fletcher
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no desire to do any of the
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honorable enough that he's going to lead
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he does what he says he's gonna
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Wales, and I'm gonna do everything
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even though I hate you and I
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have that, have that moment at
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felt, he feels like he's paid
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telling the truth for so long.
Perfect. Perfect. Yeah, here's something

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I want to talk about. We
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about the controversy this uh, this
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as it were. Yeah. Yeah, d are you familiar with Hollywood's Eastwood

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rule? Eastwood Rule? No?
I don't know that. Okay, this

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this I found very interesting. So
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You know, everyone knows this is
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for you know that he directed for
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first film that he directed, but
because I think he had done some stuff

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for Universal before this, this is
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with Warner Brothers. Now, what
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Philip Kaufman was initially hired as the
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had gotten the he they had a
writer, Sonya Chernis, who had come

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in and written the screenplay based off
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kept all of the Southern ideology in
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took all of that out. And
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he's the guy who's responsible for the
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I mean, not too shabby.
He's a good director in his own right.

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and then just within a week they
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does the legwork, he gets the
film up and running. He's fired by

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Clint Eastwood and like during like during
production, you know, he's he's not

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there. One day Eastwood makes the
call. This guy gets sacked, and

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everyone's you know, and then Eastwood
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He takes over. Now this uh, the Eastwood rule I'm talking about.

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It's uh and let me let me
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America, the DGAs as they're known, Uh, they created a band after

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this movie. They created a band
on any current cast or crew member replacing

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a director on a movie. And
it's known as the Eastwood rule, so

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that you can't have you can't have
some kind of power hungry person. You

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know. You you know, if
you're on the set of Superman and Marlon

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Brando wants to get rid of you, you know, it ain't happening,

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you know, and it's because of
the Eastwood Rule, you know, Clint

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Clint got away with it. The
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this happen anymore. So, and
to this day that's something that that stands

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like, you cannot you know,
once someone's you know, you can you

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know, the director, can you
get replaced? Obviously he can get fired,

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but um a new another director comes
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associated with the production. That's that's
that's ongoing. Well that that makes a

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lot of since now that you said
that, this this kind of answers another

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question. We did quite a while
back. We did Young Guns one and

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two versus Tombstone m I remember that
one. That's another great episode and it

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was the guy who wrote it,
Kevin Starre. He was directing at first,

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and then I think the studio canned
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about having uh, what's the Halloween
and what's his name the director of Halloween

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Carpenter John John. Yeah, I
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but they didn't have him come in. And then but the guy that had

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come in was this guy named George
Cosmo Cosmo cosmotis yeah, cootis yep.

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And every single person there was like, this guy is just the biggest a

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hole in the world, and they
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And everybody's said that Kurt Russell was
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He just doesn't get any credit for
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is because he's not allowed to get
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he's uh. He was kind of
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you know this was the workaround,
like Okay, well get someone off the

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off the street. But secretly,
I'm gonna I'm gonna do this movie.

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I'm gonna direct the movie. Russell
did it on Tombstone, um Stallone does

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it on Cobra because that's another George
P. Cosmatos film. Yeah, and

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everyone it's widely know, it's like
okay, just you know, it's almost

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like he's the substitute teacher. You
know, he comes in like, hey,

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kids, play, you know,
watch this movie, you watch this

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documentary, and you know, just
keep your heads down and I'll be over

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here, you know, taking an
app But uh, yeah, and he's

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kind of the bad cop because if
he comes in and is an absolutely jerk

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to everybody, then who are they
going to go to? But the guy

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with the star power art ago?
Can you help him us? Can you

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help us? What are your thoughts? Yeah, it's it's amazing. More

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to the story though on on why
Kaufman has let go? Why east Why

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Eastwood? Kind of now this is
uh, you know, this is one

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of those who who do you believe
situations? But according to biographer Mark Elliott,

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part of the problem between Eastwood and
Kaufman, um happens when they both

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ask out Sandra Locke. Happened who
happened to be married? Still right,

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you guys talked about that. Uh
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yeah, quote unquote, but she's
got she's got the star and the director

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asking her out, Clint wins that
battle and they don't get along. Him

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and Coffmin do not get along from
there on. So and you know Coffin's

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let go Eastwood, you know,
has Locke and has his movie the way

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he wants it done. Donder de
Locke must have some sort of magical spell

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that only is enacted when you're in
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figure that out, you know.
I it's and I don't want to be

406
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.240
obviously, I don't want to be
mean. Um, but I you know,

407
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:15.960
I'll say it. I don't.
I don't get it. I don't

408
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.920
get the appeal, you know.
Um. And I'm not and I'm talking

409
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:22.480
about you know, just I'm talking
about her, her her work as an

410
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.240
actress, because you know, this
is like, like we said, this

411
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:27.680
is one of six movies she does
with with Clint, you know, because

412
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.839
I know was I think it was
Sudden Impact where she's in the dirty the

413
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.799
Dirty Harry series. I just never
got it, you know. And it

414
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:40.599
seems to be like she always plays
like a damsel in distress that he kind

415
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.799
of kind of picks up along the
way. Well, Sudden Impact is the

416
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:49.720
one where like she's the spoiler alert, she is the serial killer, right,

417
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:55.119
Yeah, I mean she's she's the
justified serial killer, but she's serial

418
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.079
killer. Yeah. Yeah, we're
rooting for you based on what happens to

419
00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:02.279
in that movie. But she's still
Yeah, she has her issues, you

420
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:07.599
could say. But I've never yeah, I've never really understood the what where

421
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.920
the attraction is? You know.
And I'm not saying that she's an unattractive

422
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:15.880
woman because she wasn't. But I
just I don't know, I don't I

423
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.160
don't get there were so many amazing
actresses, especially in the seventies, late

424
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.640
late seventies, you know this.
I think that, like the role of

425
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.480
Laura Lee, it could have went
to a lot of different actresses, so,

426
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:33.680
you know, kind of wondering how
she got it. But moving on,

427
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.039
let's uh, let's talk about an
underrated moment d So. And I'm

428
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.279
not talking about your favorite scene.
I'm not talking about something you probably saw

429
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:44.640
in the trailer that we all go
into the movie waiting for that moment,

430
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.200
but a scene that with you know, without this scene, maybe the film's

431
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:49.519
a little bit less. Do you
have a do you have a scene like

432
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.839
that? Do you have a moment
like that? In Outlaw? Josie Wales.

433
00:30:52.880 --> 00:31:00.319
So two things pop into my head
as when I was rewatching sing it

434
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:06.240
that I had really never took note
of before. Um and I think the

435
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:11.319
best of these two, the best
to answer to your question is the old

436
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:17.000
lady at the trading post just before
they crossed the river, where she's laughing

437
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.119
and she's she's kind of like this
mystic, you know, she seems to

438
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:25.759
know more than anybody in that position
should really know. But without her and

439
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:30.200
you don't have that kind of Uh
it's not it's not exposition, but it's

440
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.839
just kind of like she sets the
stage for everything that's about to go on

441
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:40.279
and has gone on, and does
it in such a comical way that you

442
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:44.920
don't even realize that you've been kind
of spoon fed. Yeah, she's yeah,

443
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.640
you're talking about Granny. Great great
character. You know it has again,

444
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.799
just like will Sampson, she has
just one brief moment, but it's

445
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.599
it makes an impact, and I
agree with you that's it. Definitely.

446
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:04.920
She kind of builds on the legend
of Josie Wales because everyone's heard of him.

447
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.279
You know, he's he has a
feared outlaw. He is a feared

448
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:14.079
gunfighter. Uh, maybe a hero
to two people in certain certain areas.

449
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.759
Um, yeah, which she's got. And she's got one of those great

450
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.000
moments too, those great lines of
you know, all that talk, all

451
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:27.200
that talk don't mean doodles squat,
you know, Dudley's doodlee squat was was

452
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.200
something I was aware of when I
was a little kid, because we would

453
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.559
use that and it came from Josie
Wales, like we loved it, you

454
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:37.119
know. Great moment though, absolutely
great moment. So what about you?

455
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:42.440
What's your underrated moment? I think
for me? Uh? And again it's

456
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.200
that it's that exposition without giving it
to a spoon fed. Uh love the

457
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:53.000
moment between Loan and Josie Wales where
Loan is kind of explaining his purpose and

458
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:57.200
and you know his his background.
He thought, he you know, he

459
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:05.160
talks about being um what is it
uh a respected tribe, a civilized tribe.

460
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.359
Uh. You know the you know, they go to Washington, they

461
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:12.279
put on what he said, they
dressed they you know, they dressed up

462
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.680
like Abraham Lincoln and they only met
the secretary. But you know they they

463
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.119
you know, they go and they
plead with you know, we're our land

464
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:22.440
is being stolen, and you know
all these hardships, and the Secretary does

465
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:27.599
the the handshake and smile and photo
op, you know, and just say,

466
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:32.359
hey, endure to pressevere and you
know, and it speaks so much

467
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:37.119
about what happened to the to the
Native Americans, um, and it tells

468
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.680
you everything you need to know about
Loan. But I love how he ends

469
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:44.680
it. He's like, yeah,
we thought about it, and then we

470
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.759
we endure to you know, to
provoke war. That's you know, that's

471
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.279
that's how we're going to pressevere.
I love that moment, uh, you

472
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.079
know, And and it's kind of
it's got that comedic moment because this is

473
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:59.839
such a deep moment for Loan.
And then you look over Josie's snort,

474
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:05.000
you know, like you know,
it's almost like we're meant to We're meant

475
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.199
to like Josie, and then at
times we're meant to dislike Josie because he

476
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:12.679
does he's you know, like like
uh like Will Sampson the ten Bears calls

477
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.320
him, you know, the Gray
Rider. He's he's he's he's in the

478
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:17.360
middle somewhere, like you don't know
if you should like him or not.

479
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.079
Clint is very good at finding the
way to push that envelope just far enough.

480
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.840
He's he I mean, with all
of the spaghetti westerns, he really

481
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.119
kind of I mean, he defined
who the anti hero was, right,

482
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:35.360
I mean, Oh, you're rooting
for a guy who you don't approve of

483
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.639
at least half of what he's doing, but you might understand it. You

484
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.760
might go, Okay, I could
do that, you know, if we're

485
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.559
vote yeah. And it's it's interesting
you say it like that because you know,

486
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:52.159
when you think of um, Grandma
Sarah, you know, she's she's

487
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:58.000
Laura Lee's grandma. Yeah, she's
definitely opinionated in this movie. But even

488
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:02.440
after Josie Wale saves her and her
granddaughter, she still is referring to him

489
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:08.480
as a murderous man from Missouri,
who will who will kill and terrorize men,

490
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.679
women and children. And you know, Loan's like, would you rather

491
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.280
be riding with the command charos?
And She's like, no, I would

492
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:22.280
not. You know, she's great. She's great. Just that you know,

493
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:24.639
I'm gonna say my piece now,
I don't care what anybody thinks about

494
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:29.639
it. She's such a great you
know, Paula Truman, who played her,

495
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.079
she almost said's like she's you're gonna
let her get away with saying whatever

496
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.400
she wants because you respect her as
like, you know, like hey,

497
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:42.800
yes, ma'am, you know,
like because she's she's rude, you know,

498
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.199
in the in the general store,
she's she's rude everywhere until the end

499
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:51.000
of the film when they kind of
all become this nuclear family. But she

500
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:53.360
cracks me up. She's again like
she she plays good off the community.

501
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:55.760
She has some comedic timing too.
I think that that really works for this

502
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.840
movie. All right, well,
d let's take a short break and when

503
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.760
we get back, we'll talk about
some words that matter. We'll go over

504
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.840
we'll go over some of our favorite
quotes. Okay, all right, sounds

505
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:12.559
good. Okay, Jason's test of
our friendship, which is better Van Halen

506
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.760
or Van Hagar Man. Honestly,
I think Van hagar has better music.

507
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:16.480
Oh no, no, no,
no, it's Van Happy. You're wrong.

508
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:22.239
What about Michael Jackson's Bad album versus
Michael Jackson's thriller out Thriller obviously bestseller

509
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.239
ever? No, no, see, people tricked themselves and believe that it's

510
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:29.280
actually bad. Okay, Trading Places
versus Coming to America. Trade Places is

511
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.559
the funnier movie out of this down
No coming to America. It is the

512
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:37.519
funniest movie of all time. So
if you find yourself backing one of us

513
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:38.880
or the other of us, you
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514
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Can't Be Serious podcasts. That's right. We have a friendly discussion. D

515
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.400
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516
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the behind the scenes stuff, the
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517
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wonderful movies and music from our youth. It's really just an opportunity for us

518
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520
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521
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522
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523
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524
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the great bonus content. Okay,
we are back. I'm talking with d

538
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.920
Graves of the show You Can't Be
Serious podcast, d Outlaw Josie Whales.

539
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:34.679
There are so many amazing quotes.
Somebody lines a dialogue, you got one,

540
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.039
you got a favorite you gotta go
to from this movie? My well,

541
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:40.679
yeah, there's a there's a Ton. But my favorite, and I

542
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:45.519
probably say this and this is probably
because it was my dad's favorite too,

543
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:51.119
But the hell of them fellas Buzzards
got to eat same as worms and then

544
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.800
spits to tobacco, Like I mean, there's many tobacco spits in this thing.

545
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:58.960
But yeah, but the punctuation after
that brilliant line, It's got to

546
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:00.440
be the top of the list for
me. Aretty, sure you have time

547
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:09.079
to bear them fellas hell? Was
him caused Buzzard's gotta eat same as worms?

548
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.159
Oh that's that's a famous one.
Yeah, that you get a couple

549
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:17.519
would be bounty hunters. They they
draw beat on on Josie. I think

550
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:22.559
Jamie's with him at that point,
and uh huh yeah, well I sure

551
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:24.519
wish right, yeah, I got
the gold right, Yeah, that that

552
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.599
guy. I mean, talk about
coming up with a plan right there in

553
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:30.599
the second. Uh, it's a
fantastic moment. I love that scene.

554
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.760
And you know, Jamie, you
know, because he's such an innocent character,

555
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.719
you know, I love that moment
though, Like, I sure wish

556
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.320
we could give him a decent burial. And then Clint gives that that that

557
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:45.840
great line, you know where Buzzard's
got to eat same as worms. I'll

558
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.320
tell you one I love again with
another. Another would be bounty hunter trying

559
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:53.760
to trying to collect on on Josie, You're a bounty hunter. He's got

560
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:59.519
to do something for a living these
days. Diane ain't much of a living

561
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:04.360
boy. That one is a fan. I love that one, you know,

562
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.559
when Josie, Yeah, dine ate
much of a living boy. That's

563
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.079
that's one of my favorite ones.
Uh, you gotta love uh you're gonna

564
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.000
pull those pistols or whistle disc Dixie. That that's another one. I've heard

565
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:20.400
that one time and time again.
There's some good ones, man, I

566
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.039
mean there's you know, even something
as simple as uh, I reckon,

567
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:28.760
so you know Josie, Josie says
that throughout the whole the whole movie,

568
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:30.960
and I love that one too.
Yeah, there's some good ones though,

569
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:35.119
But yeah, I really like I
guess we all died a little in that

570
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.039
damn war. Oh yeah, yeah, we all died a little. Yeah

571
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:42.519
yeah, but yeah, to hell
with them fellas buzzers got to eat same

572
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:45.239
as Williams. I think that one's
that one's definitely right up there with uh

573
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:51.480
with with my favorite din Ate.
Much of a living boy. And then

574
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:58.079
when whenever, uh, whenever,
Loan is talking about surrendering. Yeah,

575
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:02.239
I didn't surrender, but they took
my horse and made him surrender. Yeah,

576
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.119
I think, yeah, they probably
have him pull on a wagon in

577
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:14.920
Kansas. I think, yeah again, I love wound Loande. Let's uh.

578
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.920
I'll hold over from our nineteen eighty
six series question. We always like

579
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:23.559
to ask prequel, sequel, remake, So I'm gonna challenge you. You

580
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:29.000
are heading into Warner Brothers with your
pitch to do something with Josie Wales.

581
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:36.199
You're gonna do a prequel, a
sequel, or a remake. So to

582
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.559
me, prequel didn't make any sense
on this one because you've got I mean,

583
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:45.239
you've got the origin story at the
beginning of the movie. And I

584
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.480
wouldn't remake this one because I don't
think you can and do it justice.

585
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.079
You can't, which leaves me with
sequel. And they made a sequel to

586
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:57.519
this, Yeah, but I don't
think anybody's probably ever heard of it.

587
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.639
I agree with you. They they
did a sequel to this one was called

588
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:07.599
The Return of Josie Wales. Yeah, nineteen eighty kind of kind of pulling

589
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:14.840
from Clint's Bag of Tricks. Michael
Parks stars and directs in this film,

590
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.039
and look, I'm a big Michael
Parks fan. I didn't know I was

591
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.239
a Michael Parks fan until Quentin Tarantino
and Kevin Smith kind of kind of gave

592
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:29.480
his his career a resurgence before he
passed away. He's fantastic. So I

593
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.159
saw this and I was like,
now I gotta see it, you know,

594
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.679
because uh, and the stories you
know, you know, Josie here's

595
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:45.960
about a couple of his buddies getting
unlawfully uh you know, tried and executed

596
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.320
down in Mexico. So he goes
to Mexico to save the ones that haven't

597
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:55.239
been executed yet. Interesting concept,
um, But yeah, I don't I

598
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.800
don't know that anyone saw it.
I don't know that anyone knows about it.

599
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.440
So did you did you find it? No? I want to see

600
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:06.440
it now. Doing research for this
episode, I was like, you know,

601
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:08.039
I saw that. I was like, I quickly passed. And then

602
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:12.519
I saw the name Michael Parks and
then I was like, wait, he's

603
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.599
directing and starring. Okay, So
now I now I gotta see this.

604
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.360
And this is the young This is
a young Michael Parks. This is this

605
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:23.320
is nineteen eighty So I'm curious,
is what I'll say, and I'm gonna

606
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:27.519
check it out. But but back
to your question, So they made a

607
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.719
sequel, but you're saying, let's
let's do a proper sequel. Yeah,

608
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.599
I was. I would say reboot
the sequel. That would be my answer

609
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.159
to the question. I think jose
Whale is going down to Mexico on a

610
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:42.880
rescue mission. That sounds like a
good quest movie, you know, and

611
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.760
you've got you've got a new I
don't know what you know. I don't

612
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:52.320
know what happens with the family that
he's gathered in between the end of a

613
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.599
movie one in the beginning of movie
two, but I think there's a lot

614
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:59.199
of potential there for something good.
So the Return of Josie Wales's done,

615
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:02.440
right right, that's my goot.
Okay, I like that you said,

616
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.719
well, I liked that you just
said the return of Josie Wales um because

617
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.000
that you know, that's that's a
cool title. But I got something for

618
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:13.079
you, and I'm gonna see if
I can, if I can, if

619
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.760
I can win you over, because
you just said a prequel doesn't make sense

620
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:22.280
and I will challenge by saying this
one thing that that that confuses me about

621
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:27.840
this movie, as great as it
is. We start off with Josie Wales,

622
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:34.239
the simple Missouri farmer, and then
you know, his family slaughtered by

623
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:38.360
the Red Legs. He takes up
with the the Gorilla fighters, and then

624
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:43.559
we get this quick, like little
two minute, three minute montage, and

625
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:47.039
then we get to a point we're
back to you know, current day as

626
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:52.280
it were, and now Josie Wales
is one of the most feared gun fighters

627
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:54.320
of all time. He's one of
the most fearsome outlaws of all time.

628
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.719
H And when when Fletcher's like,
hey, we're we're we're handing ourselves our

629
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.639
guns in, we're gonna, we're
gonna join the union, Everyone's like looking

630
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.599
at Josie like he's he's kind of
like the he's the leader behind the leader,

631
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.400
and he says, yeah, I'm
not I'm not doing that. So

632
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.440
I would love to take those two
minutes, that two minute montage and maybe

633
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:22.079
is there a movie in there.
I'm gonna call it The Rebel Josie Wales.

634
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:28.079
I love it, and it's fantastic. That's fantastic, all right,

635
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.920
And we kind of did this on
our Heartbreak Ridge episode from eighty six.

636
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:36.440
I'm gonna tap Scott Eastwood, who
is age appropriate and looks just like his

637
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:40.119
father. I'm getting Scott Eastwood to
play Josie Whales in the Rebel Josie Wales.

638
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.719
I just want to see it.
I want to see the legend be

639
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:49.639
born. Yeah, that's that's that's
my brilliant Yeah, now that's brilliant.

640
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.239
Yeah. I jumped too far back
and said you can't. You can't give

641
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:58.800
it a prequel because of the farm
scene. But to have to have that

642
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:05.639
evolution for um simple farmer to outlaw, Yeah that's great. I love it

643
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:09.519
because you've You've switched me. Now
I want you, Yeah, you want

644
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:14.440
me? All right your version?
All right? Well, deee, let

645
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.119
me ask you this. Uh,
if you were gonna give this one a

646
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:21.280
rating out of four possible stars,
what are you what are you giving the

647
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:24.840
outlad Josie Whales four stars? I'm
going four stars as well. Yeah,

648
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:29.320
without question, I'm going four stars. I gotta tell you, I have

649
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:31.920
I have enjoyed our conversation. I've
had a fun time talking about the outloawd

650
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:37.079
Josie Whales. U want to thank
you d what what do you guys got

651
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.000
coming up? Well? Thank you. I Before I say anything else,

652
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:43.920
I just want to say thank you. I really appreciate you having me on

653
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:45.840
the show. I love you know, I love what you guys do on

654
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.840
the show, and I enjoy listening
to the episodes every chance I get.

655
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.559
UM And I'm really, really,
really glad that you're doing this nineteen seventy

656
00:46:53.599 --> 00:47:01.360
six uh series. Um. After
after National Lampoon Vacation versus The Great Outdoors,

657
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:07.719
we are going to do another couple
of Summer of eighty eight albums,

658
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:15.599
Long Cold Winter by Sula versus Oh
You eight one two by Van Agar And

659
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.679
I believe that we've got our hooks
in you for that one. I believe

660
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:23.239
if i'm yea I have, I
have a lot to say about those two

661
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:28.320
albums. I won't tip my hand
just yet, but I'm looking forward to

662
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.679
joining you guys and discussing those too, because those are two great albums.

663
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:36.840
So you were were you? Were
you? I think you're too young to

664
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:42.000
have been exploring the mysteries of the
broad Clasp in nineteen eighty eight. I

665
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:45.639
was a little bit too young for
that. Yeah, that's what Jason was

666
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:52.119
doing. I'm curious to see how
how these songs from these albums moved Jen.

667
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.639
What they're what they're places in your
story? All right, yeah,

668
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:59.360
I'll I'll be happy to share that
stuff with you. Guys coming up on

669
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.880
the Shirley You Can Be Serious Podcast. But again, thank you and listeners,

670
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.840
Thank you appreciate you joining us for
another new limited series. As D

671
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:14.960
was saying, we have got some
fantastic films to discuss for the year nineteen

672
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:19.440
seventy six, and we've got some
fantastic guests coming up to join us on

673
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.920
some of these, so we hope
you will keep tuning in. Definitely check

674
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:29.079
out the Surely You Can't Be Serious
podcast. Uh, these are the guys.

675
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:30.440
These are the guys that that showed
us the way like we you know,

676
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:34.840
D. We looked at you like
you and Jason were like, this

677
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:39.280
is this is how you do an
entertaining, fun show and and keep keep

678
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:45.880
you coming back for more. So
please check the bush Stop. It reds

679
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:51.280
a good color on you. But
uh, next time on nineteen seventy six,

680
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:57.639
we'll give you the skinny on Sydney
Lummit's Satirical news Room Drama Network.

681
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:00.440
Until then, catch you on the
flip side,