A Film at 45 - Animal House

0:00 Hello everyone, and welcome back to nineteen seventy eight in a Film Buys limited series, A Film at forty five. I am David Burns and I'm Scott Affman, welcoming your back as we dust off the end of a decade that changed cinema forever with a fresh look at modern classics and hidden gems who can't stop watching even forty five years after their debut. In today's episode, we're pledging the granddaddy of all college comedies, National Lampoons, Animal House, with a very special guest, Docking Day seventy seven, Zone Dayton, Johnson Dayton, Welcome to it. Yeah Yeah, Who dumped a whole truckload of fizzies into the swim meet, Who delivered the medical school cadivers to the alumni dinner Every Halloween? Trees are filled with underwear Every spring, the toilets explode.

0:54 You're talking about Delta, Sir, who dumped a truckload of fizzies into the swim meet, Who delivered the medical school cadavers to Lemni dinner every Halloween. The trees are filled with underwear every spring, the toilets explode. I'm happy and excited to be here. You know, Dayton, I know we've been waiting for this one because we knew you were going to be a guest with us, and we could not wait. So I'm excited to have you here. I cannot wait to dive into this film because we know there have been a few college movies made over the years, but none of them have stuck the landing like the one we are discussing today. It is a cultural landmark.

1:34 Nashe Lampoon has given us many treats over the years, but nothing like Animal House has. It is far above film. All All right, guys, let's time travel back to nineteen sixty two and join Delta House, get our pledge pins, grab our togas, and challenge the dean of favorite college and do what we do best. Have some fun talking about this classic comedy. Release July thirtieth, nineteen seventy eight, with a budget of three million, it would go on and earne shy one hundred forty two million dollars worldwide. Scott, let's walk down the halls and visit the different houses of the campus and let our listeners know what is this film all about? Yeah, so apparently there's something about seventy eight that always seems to take us out of the seventies, and this movie is no exception. So, like you said, it's set in sixty two, and there are two sides of the fictional favorite college campus, the Omega House Omega Theta Pie and the Delta House Delta Tao Chai Chi Chai saying there, who cares they wouldn't twis me on it, so I woncluse myself. Omega is the uptight fret coming straight out of a leave It to Beaver episode, while Delta House leaves its door wide open to welcome anyone who wants to cut luc and have a good time. When the Dean threatens to shut down Delta forever, the underdogs take over, fight back and make an unforgettable last stand. So let's talk about the first time National Lampoon hits cinemas, the college movie that find all college movies that followed it in a film that conquered comedy in nineteen seventy eight for only three this thing was a powerhouse. Yes, it was. My goodness, Dayton,

3:05 do you remember the first time you saw this film? Indeed? I do. Uh. This was actually my very first rated R film I saw in the theater. Okay, cool. So my parents heard the everything was going on about this movie that was such a big deal. It was so funny, and they had some friends that had seen it, and they said, well, why is it rated R? And their friends misinformed them. I said, Oh, it's just just a language and drinking and stuff. So so yes, oh no. In the first twenty minutest thing, so out of family movie night out, the four of us went to go see Animal House at the theater. So of course, you know, you're I was seven eight ish at the time. We finally got to see it because it came out in seven dates was we probably saw a little bit later. But every time, you know, the shirts come off, you got to cover your eyes and you know some but I remember laughing at the stuff. I understood, you know what I mean, because there's a lot of jokes in there to go over a seven eight year olds head. But it I will never forget, you know, peeking through my eyes to get a shot of the of the boobies and stuff like that, and even though I'm sitting next to my parents and like, I still kind of want to see that, you know, but oh my god, it just so much, so throughout my teen years, so much so that actually, when I graduated from high school based on my second parents gave me a VHS copy of it as a graduation gift. Nice Scott, what about you? This is one where I've seen more clips more often than I've seen it all the way through. First

4:39 time I saw it was probably in college. It was probably like you know, mid to late nineties, when I was starting to get into classics that I had never really seen but hadn't seen everywhere, Like you can't walk through like an Applebee's or a Friday's, or like many places where they have kind of iconic scenes or kind of posters or whatever animal house is Oliver, Like, you can't not have seen something from this movie for good reason. It was later years for me. Um. I didn't see this when I was in high school. It was my Sun Sun Coach years actually when I got to see this for the first time, because you know, hanging out with guys like you, becoming friends with you, and you know, we talk about the movies that we love and those classics, and that's when I started going back and visiting films like this, and that's where I saw it and quickly obviously fell in love with it because it is clearly a classic comic.

5:33 Yeah, so let's talk a little bit about the film itself. So, as you said, we you know, we open up with two characters. Well, we got what Larry and Kent I believe, who are visiting two fraternities because they want to figure out which one they hope to join. And clearly we get two different visions of houses. You know, we get the Omega House and we get the Delta House. I don't know about you guys, but I would clearly go towards the Delta House in my opinion. Yeah, I agreed. You know, yeah, I might not drink, but I'm not getting smacked in the butt, you know, by you know, asking for another that's not thanks, no, thank you, none at all. No. Um. So, I guess before we really dive into talking about the scenes that we love and you know, but let's talk a little bit about the characters that we have here, Um, Dayton, any favorite characters. Uh, well, it's very difficult. I I kind of cycle through, like every time I watch it, I kind of just drift from person to person. I mean, uh, Kroger, you know, uh Pinto, He's a likable guy. He actually kind of has, um, you know, a heart to him, and so does he so dos Dwarfman and stuff. So I like those guys because they're kind of our avatars almost through this adventure, because I kind of you kind of linked to them.

6:51 But you know, I don't want to be like Bluto because even though he's hilarious, he's disgusting. But but every once in a while I have wanted to grab somebody's acoustic guitar and smashing inst the wall because they're playing a terrible song. But but I think what it comes down to, um, it's d Day. He's he's my favorite character. He's got the best intro, he's got the best prologue, you know, the intro when he bashes through the door and his motorcycle drives up the you know stairs. It just hands a bear to Kroger. Here you go, here's a bear. And then he does that thing, the Lone Ranger theme on his throat and I'm like, Okay, that guy's cool. And then yeah, he just hanging around on a motorcycle the whole time. He's he's wonderful man. Yeah, Ruth mcgil I believe DDA is who I always remember as Jack Bolton from mcgiver.

7:36 Yes, yeah, years. It took me years before I really put that together. Like I would watch I'd see him and other stuff, and it never occurred to me, I swear. I think it was probably mid twenties. Pear, I went, oh my god, that's D Day. Now. He was pretty disposed to be my favorite character in this aside from like everything that you mentioned, like the mad scientist angle that you've got, like the mad Scientist motorcycle biker um. But because of Jack Dalton, because he was the guy on the last episode of Quantum Leap all the Bartender, he was already going to be one of my favorites, and it just knocked it out of the park. Like his performance is fantastic, especially the fact that his whereabouts are unknown. Yeah, I love That's a perfect way to do it. It's the most believable out of all of them. Really, Yeah, yeah, I agree, absolutely, So, Scott, is that your favorite character or do you haven't had the one? Absolutely? Like, I'm not gonna do my usual cheat and say like, well there's this one or this one. It's got to be D Day, I mean versus mcgil just for being somebody that you know, when you look at the rest of the cast, you know SNL and a lot of the background that some of these actors come from us. He's not one of the bigger names in here, but he's definitely one of the biggest characters. And he's so iconic that whenever I see him on the screen, it just makes me happy. Yeah.

8:58 And he does all that with a lot of lines either right true, right, right, like when they're um when they're making the Deathmobile and he's sitting there with a blowtorch and a cigar and it's just it's fantastic. Just leave everything to me, right right. I remember the first time I saw that vehicle, Like you don't get to see the whole thing yet, you see like just like the hood or the side of it. I was like, hey, it's the Batmobile because it kind of a first right they put those like fake fins on the side. Yeah. Yeah, Like, oh man, that's awesome. That that whole great stuff. That whole sequence is just fantastic. And I'm sure we're gonna get to that eventually. Uh. For me, Um, I'm going towards with Stephen first as kent Ye Flounder. Um he he's that that innocence you know him in Kroeger. You know, they're the innocent part of all of this film, eventually getting corrupted of course when they go into Delta House and stuff like that. But you know, just as Deeton said, you know, we come back to them from time to time because you know, they are our main characters until we get introduced through all these other characters that are in the Delta House and it kind of goes all over the place. At that point, we still come back to these two. Yeah. Um, Stephen first, to me, I don't know if either one of you watched Babylon five, but I loved him as Veer that he was incredible in that role. Um, and I when I when I think about Stephen first, that's who I go to right away.

10:18 But then of course, you know, I remember who I'm playing Flounder in Animal House, and I absolutely loved him. But one of the things that you know, I really want to point out too, everyone gravitates towards Blue Do because it's John Belushi. You know, you watch his roles and this, you watched his scenes in this movie, and you realize what a talented guy he is. Um and everybody knows that, and it's a shame that we lost him when we lost him because the things he could have given us over the years, and the same thing with John Candy. Um. You know, it's it's such a shame because when I revisited this film this week, watching it, it just I am in all of that guy, watching his performance, and I know a lot of behind the scene stuff too that they had to do a lot of takes because people would just bust out laughing because of what he was doing on scene. One of the things that I never noticed before until I watched it this week is how much he is like Lou Costello. Yeah did I see that? Though? Yeah, I did not realize that. His mannerisms, his facial expressions, just the way he acts, like the scene when like they were going to take the horse to the Dean's office, how he was doing that little sneaky moves like up the steps going into the into the building, even like you know when we lead up to the food fight scene. Just watching him his reactions and stuff like that, it's like, holy crap. If he had lived, I guarantee that he probably would have done a Lou Costello movie and probably would have won

11:48 an Oscar for it, There's no doubt. Yeah, I could totally see that, totally see that. I mean, if you think about his performance, the almost entire cafeteria scene was improved. Yeah, he's going out the food line. Ryman just said just keep the camera on because we don't know what he's gonna do. Even the gag was even the zip gag was a joke. He didn't They didn't. He just you know, Stephen, guess why I am Now seriously, they didn't know. The actors didn't know either, So it's it's fantastic. It's just absolutely wonderful. And like you were saying with Bruce McGill, like that, the non verbals. Yes, there's not a lot of lines to Bluto, which is kinda surprising. When you watch this, you're like, oh, it's John Belushi movie. Of course he's going to have a lot of dialogue, which he has a considerable amount, right, but a lot of his comedic delivery is with non verbals.

12:33 It's it's it's i'd say, like fifty percent eyebrows, yeah, right, kind of like you know, yeah, and you know, we we've had this discussion before. I believe on Documents seenty seven two Dayton, where we talked about um comedians on how they become the best dramatic actors. Yeah, because you know the way they have to perform. They have to come up with stuff really quick and ad lib stuff. And when you are really good at that, you keep you catch people off guard and you get true reactions from the people around you, which makes some of the most phenomenal scenes in movies. And you get that in Animal House, right, Yeah, absolutely mean, even when he i you know, he raises his eyebrow at the jar of mustard, It's like it's like, what is what is he thinking with that? You know? But yeah, yeah, he has he of course he has his speech at the end, but for the most part he only has like a handful of lines going up to that point. So yeah, it's a lot of a lot of just delivery through his hands, his eyes, you know, him falling down. Oh yeah, it's yeah, it's most of his performance is just his expressions and his behavior. Yeah, it's great. And just the simplest things too, like when they were going into the Delta House for the first time and the guy was walking out with a box with the empty beer can and he just like knocks it out of his hands, like what really, right, and he catches the one next bottle and then this is the one after That is great, right, It's so random it just makes it so good. But uh yeah, so let's move on a little bit more of this can because I mean it's got a lot of famous people in it who do a lot of work, you know in the coming years. Um, you know, we got Peter Roger who

14:07 plays Boone. Um, you know, he has his relationship with somebody who we all know very much right for me as marrying from Raiders of Lost Art. And of course that's Karen Allen, who is fantastic in everything she does. I don't think she can do any wrong, guys, I can't. Yeah. Yeah, Every every single scene that she's in center my attention. Absolutely. Yeah, even if I hadn't seen her before as Marion Ravenwood. Um, she's still got that presence that absolutely just draws you into every single scene. Um, you know for her to start out with this role, yea, and to steal so many of those scenes without even necessarily having it lean into like um, you know, funny lines, it's not trying to you know, kind of lean into the comedy, but you're kind of drawn to her. I love that, right, yeah, and you right when you when you watch her, you do not think this would be her film debut, but it is. I mean she holds her own well with these actors around her. Oh yes she does. Yeah, she's she's the uh, she's kind of like somewhere between the Delta House and the Omegas. You know, she's not quite as obnoxious as one definitely not as assholeish as the others. So she's she's trying to be older than she is. You know, she keeps getting on Boon about you know, this is what you're gonna do all the time, you know, get drunk calf you know, every weekend and stuff, and you're gonna be twenty one. And so it's like you like her because she's trying to help Boone and and trying to get him

15:37 to stop being you know, kind of what he is in a way. But she's just so genuine you can tell she cares, you know. So yeah, every time she's on screen, you're just kind of watching her because you do like her. I mean, so yeah, and like you said, for this to be your big screen debut, man, she's really really good, really good, and the whole thing. And the he goes to visit her and she opens the door, and of course the professor Jennings Yes, and actually I did read that she wasn't um happy with having to show her but but Donald Sutherland said, well, I'll show mine if that helps. So it wasn't in the script for him to show his so he said, well, I'll show mine if that makes her more comfortable. And that's how we get to see her bare butters to see you know, sit through his too. Right, Well, thank you Donald, right from Invasion of the Body Snatchers to fare Button Animal House right way to take one for the team exactly, yes, thank you so much. Um. We got James Dotton who played Greg Marmillard um who, as we know, is the preppy jerk who teams up with the Dean to try to get rid of Delta House.

16:45 Um. Mark Metcalf who plays a Niedermeyer twisted sisters. Yes, yes, yes, when he's when he's saying those lines, it's so hard not to go back to that. You know, you're all worthless in a week from the videos and all that other kind of stuff see see I'd seen him in order, so when the videos came on, I'm like, yes, Animal House. Yeah, the scenes, especially when he gets so expressive and he's yelling in somebody's face and he's doing those spits. Yes, I don't know if he's doing that on purpose or if it's just it naturally comes out when he when he gets like that, but damn is it funny? Um?

17:29 Mary Louise Weller as Mammy Pepperidge. And then the other guy who film debut was in this movie, Good old Kevin Bacon as Chip Diller. He's been in one or two things, one or two. A bad name, Chip, but a perfect name it is. And he does such a good job in this movie, fills in a role perfectly. You know, I've got a quote from him, but I'll save that for a little bit later on when he found out he got this role. Um, but you know clearly what the what this led up to for him, what he was going to have in his future after this, because he has done such tons of work throughout the years, right, yes, right, absolutely, drama to scary, like yeah, yeah, And it's so shocking when you go back to see these movies after you're used to seeing them today and you see how young they were. It's like, oh my gosh, is that Kevin Bacon because you see how young and little he was, you know. Yeah, yeah, especially at the end of the parade when he turns into like the flattened cartoon character on the side as well. Yes, hysterical, Yes, we do him. Uh. Then we got Tim Matheson as Eric Stretton who plays Otter. We know he has done a lot of work over the years as well. Um, we've already spoken a little bit about Don the Sutherland because I know Scott, you and I spoke about him in a previous movie in nineteen seventy eight. Yeah. Yeah, and then you know, we

19:00 got to talk about the Dean a little bit. Guys. Um, I don't think you could have got a better actor to play the Dean than John Vernon. Um. When when you see this guy and you see his performance, you like he there is no doubt this guy was born to be a Dean. Absolutely Yeah. He's got that like that dead pan delivery of all those lens like what you were saying before Dayton, like all those lens heat delivers, just completely straight faced. I don't know how he did it. In one take. I'm sure it wasn't one, but I guess, well maybe I don't know, I would. Yeah, he uh, he definitely embodies the head of a school that you just want to punch, you know, because he's because he cares about a school, but for all the wrong reasons, you know what I mean. So, yeah, he's a but yes, he does it so well, you know so and apparently, I mean obviously he's he knows how to improv too, because the scene where he's on the phone with the mayor after oh what's her name? Comes back totally drunk. He's like, you know, yelling at the phone, my fault, how the hell can be? Even my fault was all ad lib because Rightman didn't like to dialog those written previously, so he said, well, you're just you know, make something up. So and it's a great scene.

20:14 Crazy, you know, his wife has fallen off the bed laughing because she's drunk too. It's great, It's so much fun. I think that's one of the things that really helped this movie is the fact that so much ad living went on in this And I think when you're dealing with writers of National Lampoon, you're dealing with these talented people from SNL and you know, it's just get a lot of that, and that made this movie that much more special. Yeah yeah, Well, and you can see with with characters like his, it's easy to kind of, you know, um, connect the dots between his character is the Dean and other characters like Dick Vernon and Breakfast Club right right, They're very closely related, and um it sets the bar for those kind of characters and especially for comedies being able to take this as a template and kind of look at I can use this range of characters to put together a great ensemble movie and put together you cut well, you know, talking about the cast, but we got to talk about the directors himself too. M John Landis, as we know, has quite a career himself. You know a few things I did not know about this guy.

21:18 He started his career in the mail room of twentieth Century Fox. And then this is the part I really did not know, is that he went over to Yugoslavia to work as a production assistant for Kelly's Heroes. Oh yeah, I read that too, Yeah, yeah, I did not know that. And he stayed over there working as like a stump and an extra for like all those spaghetti westerns. Did not know any of that about John landish do what you gotta do. This just true. You know, you don't get that much anymore today, you know, walking onto a set or you know, breaking into the businesses because you want to, like Steven Spielberg kind of kind of get arrested for that nowadays, but you know, back then, you know that kind of happened to some of these people. You had to do what he just like you said, you had to do what you had to do to get into something that you loved. Otherwise it wasn't going to work for you unless you knew somebody. Yeah yeah, um. But as you know, Landis gave us, um, you know, the Blues Brothers, American Werewolf in London, trading places, spies like Us, three Amigos coming to America, just to name a few of his long list of work that he's done over his career, and of course Twilight Zone the movie and if no one knows what happened with that movie, we won't go into details on that lawsuit and everything. He had definitely checked that out because you know, it's that almost broke Landis and Ann Spielberg, so definitely check that out if you ever get a chance. Um. But uh, yeah, Landis.

22:38 This was his first movie directing, wasn't it. M Yep. Another kind of interesting I saw about this is that, Um so while he was working on Kelly's Heroes, he was he became friends with Donald Sutherland and what occasionally babysit for Kiefer And he later said that it's it's Donald Sutherland who got this movie made because of his you know, um what what he brought to the cast and what he could prove to the producers, like what would be a you know what the kind of movie would be. Um. So it's interesting how those little connections lead to the big things. Yeah, but I did read that Sutherland I thought it was going to bomb, so he took payment upfront instead of some of the gross and end up losing money because he would have got a lot more money. Oh no, oops he did.

23:30 Okay afterwards though, I think, yes, I know, but still that's the Yeah, maybe maybe that, you know, because I think he would end up like, like, I don't know, eight or nine million instead of what he made. So right, yeah, it was it was considerably more than what he got paid to do for his three days on set. That just makes you sicken that your stomach thinking about that, like the reaction he probably had when he found out what kind of money he made. Oh yeah, right, gross, I showed my butt for this movie. Right. Um? Well, let's talk little bit about National Lampoon guys. Uh, you know, they were around a little bit from where this movie came from. Um, you know, they were known for their humor magazine which ran from what seventy to ninety eight? I believe it was, you know, they they were the creators of a lot of this stuff where this was coming from. Um, I believe it was um Harvard with it Lampoon?

24:23 Is that is that his name? Yes? Shoot, I forget um, I think it was Kenny Henry Beard and Robert Hoffman. Weren't they the guys who created National Lampoon? Is that is it? Is that correct? That sounds right? I know I haven't watched it, but there's a Netflix special. Oh yeah, there's a good Yeah I haven't. I haven't watched it yet. It's on my list, But yeah, that sounds about right. I remember growing up listening to their comedy albums, So that's that's how I really was exposed to you know, this and the and the movie. So their comedy albums are just what you're expecting to hear. That's so, yeah, because they did They did like radio broadcas cast, and they did like some stage play stuff too, before they started getting into the movie business. Correct that sounds right? Yeah, yeah, because I think Ivan Reitman was the one who kind of was the guy who brought them into the movie business.

25:11 And we all know who Ivan Reitman is. You know, he's done a lot of work too, and I think he was He wanted to direct Animal House, but they wouldn't let him because I don't think he had enough, you know, behind him to support the fact that he could handle directing a movie of this caliber, which John Lanis I didn't really have either. So I don't know how they got it. But I don't know what this would have been like if Rerightman would have got it, But I think we might have had something similar in my opinion. Yeah, at the same hum, I'm sure, yeah, absolutely. And of course we know one of the writers who who helped with this movie, Harold Ramis. It's funny when you look at this movie and you see all of these people who are involved in all the things that they did, which clearly going to lead us into talking about the impact a little bit later all the people who were involved with this movie and the careers they would have later on, And of course we'll talk about that a little bit later. But let's let's go through the lens and let's talk about this movie. Guys. Let's talk about some behind the scenes in some of this movie. So, um, dayton in any interesting things that you found about this movie? Oh, so many things, so many things. So a couple of things really quick. Dwayne Jesse, the guy that played Otis Day in the movie, was so successful in his how people received his performance that he legally changed his name to Otis Day and then toured and recorded under that name. So I thought that was kind of interesting.

26:36 The inspiration for the Blues Brothers actually came during the production of this movie. Blueshi would go to local clubs and check out the music scene, and he became fascinated with the musician named Curtis Salgado. Salgado's look and harmonica planning and the love of the blues that would inspire him to create the Blues Brothers characters for SNL. I know, right to think of like, you know, if he wasn't on this movie, we wouldn't got the Blues Brothers characters, you know what I mean. So yeah, that's a that's a big one because they got their own movie and so yeah records, So yeah, that's pretty awesome. Uh So, um, you mentioned the writers of the movie. Douglas Kenney was one of the writers who also appears in the movie as Stork you know, what the hell we're supposed to do? You more on and and uh we meet him as a Kroger and Dorfmann are coming in and you hear somebody say I had a boner, I know how to boner, And that's Dork, you know, because that's the first way we meet him, you know. So that was funny. But yeah, he would go on later to also write Caddyshack, and unfortunately he had passed away at a young age. But but yeah, he's in there. But the one thing that really cracked me up there was one musical thing and the one thing that's really very funny. The screenplay was sent over two hundred and fifty schools and every one of them turned it down because it was two raunchy. Now, the University of Oregon. Okay, the president of that once had previously turned down the production of a film on his campus, and it turned out to be the graduate that he turned down. So he loved them that movie so much he decided that he wouldn't miss out again and he agreed to this one, which is not but the cast and cruise shows up. He reads

28:10 the screenplanes as a no, wait a minute, um, no, I don't want to do this, but it was too late at that point. But he did request that the college campus not be shown in the credits. But since then, of course, later they narrowed it. Say yes it was shot here, all excited, so um. The only one other thing I want to mention is part of the out of Stay in the Night to the band if you pay real close attention to one of the members of the band, the bass player is legendary lose musician Robert Cray. Yeah really I didn't. Yes, yeah he was. He was actually responsible for getting the band members together for the for the movie. But yeah, it's slow to see. You don't really I read it. I'm like no, and I'm like looking at I'm like, oh my god, that is Robert Cray. So Yeah, that was a that's a that's a big one because he was He wasn't anybody then, but for sure later became quite known for his musicianship.

28:59 So yeah, I thought that interesting. So there it is. I'm done rambling. So there you go. That's that's good stuff. Man. Absolutely, Scott, what about you now? Now wait a minute, before you go too much further, let's take a quick break. We'll come back to that answer now, Jeff. You know I love my extras and my bonus features. Now are you ready to offer some to our listeners? Absolutely, Brad. That's why we've launched via film by Patreon. Starting for as little as three dollars, you can become a production assistant to receive a film by merchandise and gain access to our exclusive content. That's right. Each month, we'll be offering up everything from episodes about our favorite actors to audio commentaries of our favorite and not so favorite movies. And for you fans of the familiar, we've got a nice surprise, right Jeff. That's right, Brad.

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30:44 You know Moby Young Sad always dumped Tim. That was the theme song. You know when you listen, Tim, did you have the volume on? The witches are definitely much more nightmare fuel. But the fact that they looked like the Texas Chainsaw centerfolds um um if jancof Thatt is so awesome. He's hired to be cloned. Why the hell isn't he doing the job. He like my clients, getting impatiently what you slack ass mother? Whyon't you do it. You know you're just check us out on Apple podcast, Good Pods, pod Bean, or wherever you get your podcasts. See high A Resistant singing that line, I can't Yeah, I'm not kissing that line. Um No, I think I think that we're going to talk about the music later.

31:34 But yeah, O to Stand the Knights. It's the standout performance in this one. Um. And I loved hearing that he had had so much success that he took that and ran with it. That's that's one of the fantastic story I love hearing about this movie. Um So. I also heard that when they were shooting um according to an interview with Tim Mathison, he said Universe will only let them do one take of each scene, or that the they'd only produced the print for one take, So in a lot of instances, uh Landis would basically wouldn't say cut at the end of the scene. He would just have actors keep doing it and doing it until them no, no, no, get back, reset it, do it again, funnier and faster. That's a great way. I mean, that seems like a Roger Corman way to kind of get around some of those, um smart of those barriers. Yeah, um yeah, we already talked about a bunch of you know, Donald Sutherland's bare butt going through the screen, and had I assume that he was wearing a sock on the other side, I feel like, I don't know, would have had a little bit of regret.

32:38 She would have been like, Oh, you're gonna do that too. Oh that's what that means. Oh okay, I'm okay, I'm okay. Hey, it might have been cold, It wouldn't matter. Do you never know, you know. I liked I liked hearing about all the improvised moments like you talked about the uh, the scene in the cafeteria when he's loading up the tray. Um, I can't believe that he's stuffed that burger into his I know, God, he didn't have to do that, yes, um, but it reminds me of the scene where Flounder is in the grocery store and he's having to catch all of those things and does so very very well.

33:24 Um. There's there's a lot of that that's just so surprising that they were just able to get that timing just right, to get those kind of things, even though apparently a lot of his scenes would take like eighteen or more takes to get them right, because he kept cracking up laughing, which I don't blame him for at all, Dave, what about you? Um. So one of the things I found interesting, which, of course, as we all know, John Belushi was known for his drinking, his partying and those kinds of things. Um, they would not allow him to do any of that when he was working on Animal House, all right. So anytime you see him like drinking alcohol and stuff like that, I think it's like, what ty, Yes, there's no way, there's no way, some way down the whole bottle of whiskey like that and survives. Oh my god, no, because he us that thing man. Um. But you know, I just I just found that interesting. But you know, you know, Dayton hit on. The big one for me that I was going to talk about was the fact that you know, it was because of this movie, because of John Belushi being there and going while he was in between filming that he was going in, you know, to these places and listening to music and stuff like that is what created the Blues Brothers. Um.

34:31 I just find that just absolutely fascinating because Dayton hit it again when he said that if that didn't happen. We wouldn't have that today, and what a shame that would have been. Bill. So it was meant to be. It was fate that that was going to happen, and when we got the Blues Bug. What I want to know is whose idea was it for Otter to whistle Peter and the wolf all the time? Like every he does it, like three or four different times throughout the movie. And I'm like, I wonder if that was written or if that was just him, because I think that's a it's a nice little thing, uh care to building for him, you know, And I as you know, like I said, he's not my favorite care but I love Otter because he's he's the cool guy that you want to be, you know. I mean, he's a nice cool guy because he's because you know, he's a ladies man. But at the same time, he's actually genuine. He's the one that basically gets Dorfman into this, into the frat house, you know. I mean, yeah, at the same time, he's always trying to, you know, get laid, but at the same time he's he's a he seems like an overall a decent guy though, you know, but it's it's funny. It's funny.

35:34 Yes, something popped out to me. Yeah, No, I mean he cares. You clearly see he cares and he has a heart. You're right, absolutely, Um, you know he does love the women. He does love going around and and finding ways to get the women. Um. Because the fact it was it when he went to pose as a boyfriend of someone who was dead for themselves, Are you kidding me? That was called terrible man. That's just it's just really happening. Yeah, that so wouldn't work now because of the Internet. But in this movie, now, oh cringe alarm in some of this. But yeah, I mean those characters aren't.

36:19 It's not like Delta is just a party house. It's just that they're not taking college so seriously that they're letting it define everything they do. You know, they're not being those cookie cutters when you mentioned like Honor Otter, when you mentioned like Boone, um, even you know, Hoover Um, trying to get everybody through the experience without letting it define who they are. Um. And that's something that absolutely comes up as a theme in every one of the movies that follows us that hits into college is making it that like be who you are, find people like you, and have a good time and come out better for it on the other side. Yeah. Um, I think another one of the things I'd love to uh, the courtroom team I think was hysterical too. Um. I mean there's so much funny stuff about this movie. Um, but but the courtroom as well, when the Dean is just trying to keep control of all of this and of course you know, they're all standing up and you know, refusing to listen in exiting the courtroom as he's still trying to keep the proceedings going. I just I laugh every time I see that. Yeah, it's like, oh my god.

37:29 Everything about that scene is very, very funny. It is. Yeah. Absolutely, the horse shooting, Oh my god, that's my favorite. That's my favorite. Love that scene. That part is the horse's reaction that's still a friend. And then the reactions on d Day and Bluto's faith are both like they're smiling, laugh and then they're like, oh, oh my god, did he do it? Oh man? When they go in and find the horse and all Blue can say is that holy? And that's all he kept saying, I know. And then they carry that through at the end with the guy with the measuring tape and the chainsaw, and it's just gonna like that maintenance guy is everywhere. He's there, he's he's there when they're tearing all the stuff off the Delta house. I saw he shows up like ten times in this movie. Yeah, Scott is funny. I know you and I have had discussions about here in a film at forty five where I told you that I don't like a lot of those freeze frame shots, but that one, that one was fantastic and it worked so well. That works or since I'm like tearing up right now, laugh about it right right, just bears all of its teeth in The sound that goes with it is just perfect, absolutely perfect. It's brilliant. Absolutely Dating any other favorite scenes, one of the things I want to mention is the lot of the scene transitions.

38:54 They use crashes of some kind, Like when we first see the Delta House, the mannequin comes flying out the window. Yeah, okay, so and um dda course burst to the door when we first meet him. You have that, um let's see. Uh. They also before the Toga party they do it twice there a keg flies right through the window at the beginning of the Toga party, and then Missus Warmer shows up crashing into like from a scene change. So they use a crash even when they go when they go on the road trip and they pull up to the Dexter Lake Club and Otis Day is introducing the song Jamiamdigdong. He says, so hits it, and then Otter hits another car with his car. So they use a crash or something like a car crash or something bashing through a window multiple times and a scene change. And I think that's just an interesting choice. And I'm kind of curious if it was you know, Landis or somebody else, but I've noticed that. I like, that's a really cool thing because it's almost like that's just who they are. There are just lots of crash and banging with this, you know, with this with this Delta house. So well, it is interesting, like you have a quick impact the loud noise that kind of breaks you out of what you think you're going to get in the scene and getting something completely different afterwards. It's very fitting. Uh, Daton, That's a good thing to point out, because I really didn't look at it that way or think about that, but that's pretty neat. Well, like I said, when you've seen this movie, like get to know a little bit backwards and forwards. Right, Um, Scott, what about you?

40:23 What's your favorite scene? Man? I know mine's the horse, so I have to say then the Deathmobile Okay, just steals the entire parade, Like the parade itself is fantastic and it's a it's a great setup. I've used that device where it's kind of like you know, where are they now? And I think there was something about American graffiti had used that similar kind of device, but using it in a funny way like this one does. Um yeah, that the the Deathmobile. I can't stop looking at it. Like the design of it and just the way that it's used is fantastic. I think the the look at my thumbs kind of like whoa, that doesn't that's not great? But anyway, yeah, yeah, i'd say the Deathmobile.

41:07 There's just so much goodness in this movie. You know, you'll find that one that you you talk about all the time, but you know, there's so many one liners, there's so many scenes that you just can revisit over and over and over and you will still laugh hysterically at it every time. You know, all right, well, let's let's score this film. Let's talk a little bit. Excuse me, party, party, excarty, I must do that. It's like, oh, go ahead, sorry, So I just said, would boon his whole uh excuse me, pardon me, excuse me, part me bard me. I do that like all the time. You know. It's like I combine his with like with bugs Bunny's version of it. That's what I used, like all the time. So it's it's yeah, I've used all kinds of things from this movie quoted all the time, and so it and you've revisit it, and yes, it is definitely still funny even forty five years later. Yeah, and you look for the reaction. You look for the reaction for those people that get it, and you're like, oh, okay, we're gonna be all right right, all right, gentlemen, Well, let's let's score this film. Let's talk a little bit about the music, because it has a lot in here that is very fitting for the scenes that we see. Um one thing that I would like to talk about the Animal House theme song, which is written performed by Stephen Bishop. Um. He is does a few of the pop tunes in the film, but he is notable for the folk song I Gave My Love a Jerry in this film. Okay, yeah, um you know because this this movie obviously, you know, most movies, a lot of movies, you know, have a score a theme to it, but this one obviously holds strong to like, you know, actual songs and stuff like

42:38 that. Um so, and there's a lot of them on here. Dating any favorites, yeah, many, Right, Well, it's not so much favorites. I think it's where they're used that really makes me like them. Like, for instance, when they do the song Let's Dance, right when Bluto gets into a fight in the in the lunch room, you know, he's like right here, right now, this song just kicks in. And because you've heard that expression before, it was some tough guy goes, why you want to dance, you know, like trying to fight somebody. I'm like, this is perfectly placed. Mean And you know, of course them when they've getten drunk at the Delta House right after the Pledges get there, and then of course they're all drunk and singing Louie Louie, because that's the only way to sing that song, because nobody knows lyrics, you know, you know, so you sound like you're right if you're drunk. So it's and then you know, um, Sam cooks, what a wonderful world.

43:29 You know, we're referencing all those you know, college classes, and it's just there's the placement. You know, it's using that song and referencing science and history and you know, biology on all those things. It just makes sense and fits within the content, you know, confines of the of the movie. So I don't have a favorite one because that would just be like, you know, picking a favorite child. So it's I like this the placement. So I think actually, uh, Let's Dance is probably my favorite in the movie because of where it's placed. It's got anything for you. So I know that there's one song in here obviously it's pretty iconic, but I've got to go with twist in the Night Away, the other same Cook song. That's yeah, yeah, I love that song. Um introduced the same Cook through Inner Space, which I'm sure we'll talk about it at some point, um, but yeah, for me, it's twisting the Night Away.

44:15 What about you do mine? Mine's got to be shout? I mean, come on, I don't care what movie you see that that song in You're gonna sing right along and you're gonna have a dang good time with it. And they'd use it so well in this movie with them just dancing to it, singing with it. You know, it was fantastic. And I revisit that scene a lot because I just get myself in a good mood to get meself laughing. I go to that scene all of the demo. Well, it's interesting how that's that's used so many times in so many kind of big sporting events and all this other kind of stuff and big crowd, but in that scene, it's such a small space, right yeah, like a very small intimate basement space, and it just blows up with that scene.

44:57 Yeah, yeah, it does. Yeah, absolutely when anything else on the music as well, any any of the Oda Stay scenes, you know, those are great scenes. Yeah, but uh no, it's I it's one of those the soundtrack you know, takes you and travels you back to that time. You know, the pop music there, and like I said, it's where it's not just the songs they were choosing, but where they're playing. So they did a really good job knowing where to put the songs, you know, it's Dayton. I think you had the same kind of conversation in the nineteen eighty six years with stand By Me, with the music that they used for that, it's very similar to this, right. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean you can always put you know, good songs and movies, but where they're placed and how they go with the tone of the scene really matters. And in this one, they you know, they really made it work very well. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Well, let's rewind a little bit. I know we already talked about our likes and stuff like that, but um, Dayton, anything that didn't work in this movie for you, because it's such a classic and you don't want to pick anything apart, but anything that you didn't like. Okay, So after you've seen seen it so many times, yes, there are things that you know, I'm still kind of going really, um really, So when Bluto is spying on the sorority girls, Okay, very funny scene, yes, but you're telling me he's not even trying to hide. He's like latly in the window and they don't see him. Okay, fine, whatever, But then he hops the ladder and it's and it's a loud sound effect. I'm thinking nobody's

46:28 hearing this seriously, So that as much as I love this movie, that just like, nah, come one, guy, you could have tried harder than you know, at least try to, you know, make it worthwhile, make him go down the ladder and then back up. You know something are having like you know, I don't know. That just bothers me. So and uh, after the toga party, Pento takes the mayor's daughter home. But how does he know where she lives? He's not carrying a purse, he didn't pick her up, doesn't even know her last name, So how does he know? Because even surprised, he walks up and that says the mayor him. He's like, oh, so, like, how do you know that? I mean because she wasn't she wasn't conscious. So it's you're kind of like, okay, whatever, I'll deal with that, you know, no big deal. But um, and we've already mentioned the the homecoming parade scene. It's just it is extremely funny. But the marching band just walking into a wall and staying there the whole time. I mean, are these are these nothing but lemmings? Come on? At least at least send him down a road that just keeps going that I would have been okay with. But yeah, you know, um, and there's no way that chick has Flounder's girlfriend. I'm just you know, I mean, unless there's like nothing else in his town that you know, I like that guy.

47:40 But and then they show up like they're going to you know, a wedding. She's in his nice dress, he's wearing a suit. I'm like, it's a toga party, people, relax, you know, just choices, man choices. So I think I think some of the parade got a little cartoony a little bit, I feel, Yeah, And then Mandy's just standing there in the middle of it, you know, she's she's just kind of like waiting for Bluto to sleep her up. I'm like, okay, she's not even running or else is running around her. She just standing there whatever, whatever it is, what it is, I guess yes, because I still love the movies exactly exactly. Yeah. I mean there's there's some cringey dialogue that they use in there where it's kind of like that I know way it's done that way, but god, it's not okay, that's not okay.

48:29 I used say it was nineteen seventy eight we had and I know they were they were they were poking at the sixties, right and that time period. Also the kind of stuff um well yeah, because also the people like with Ninermeyer, everything he says is terrible, so the words he's using, it fits that character, so you know, you know what I mean. So yeah, the only the only thing that bothered me is just something that's personal, because, um, my first exposure to Peter Reichert was probably the Basque. So every time I saw him on the screen, I heard him say Doyle and I couldn't. I was like, damn it, why did I have to see that movie so many times? I want to stop hearing that word. Um. For me, I feel like the the the creators of it leaned a little too heavily on American graffiti. I know they were inspired by American graffiti, but there are some similarities with this movie and with that clearly the setting nineteen sixty two, which I won't blame them for that because I understand the reasoning why they chose that year, but you know, you still got this the same kind of vibes and stuff like that Roman romantic comedy feel to it, and even like the storyboard credits at the end were just like American Graffiti. Um. So I feel like they could have given us a little bit more originality when it comes to some of that instead of like almost copying American graffiti. Um. But again, like Dayton says, I'll let it go because this movie is just so funny, so good in such a classic. Yeah. Well, and I like how they kind of

50:01 started that as a spoof of that as a comedic device that other people would then pick up and carry on to either use it dramatically or you know, in a comedy right. Yeah. Yeah. So as as everybody knews, when we have a special guest on, we like to have a few questions where we want to talk and just have up a little bit of fun with each other. Um. So have you, either one, have you been involved in any food fights or anything like that throughout your years of high school college anything like that? No, any interesting, nothing more than a few fries or something like that being thrown across the table at each other. Never, never on the scale like this one. Um. But yeah, you know, maybe a few people down on the table. But yeah, that's as far as it ever went. Yeah. So here, unfortunately, it's a sad story for all of us. None of us have anything as interesting as they had in this movie when it comes to the right. Absolutely, so it's got any questions, um So, knowing that, um, this is something that kind of set the bar for a bunch of college comedies that followed. Obviously there's an lot on National Dampoon, Van Wilder, and et cetera, et cetera. There's like thirty movies that carry the title. Um But I'm kind of wondering, what do we think are the three best college comedies that followed this example? Good question. I'm gonna put that up to you first, Okay. So I kind of went with a bit of a variety that still holds some of the some of this movie to it. The

51:31 first one that pops in my head was accepted with Justin Long, Jonah Hill and playing Lively. They basically create a college for all the people that didn't get accepted to other colleges. It's a it's a very fun movie. And and there's a Jonah Hill has a great line in there, asked me about my winger. He's dressed up as an Oscar winn whener. So it's just I don't know how many times I've quoted that line. Just very funny. Yeah right, uh but that's a that's a good's. It was better than I expected, and it has heart, the same kind of heart that this one has. So um, and it definitely it's not quite as on the level of raunchy, but it definitely has that feel. Another one a little bit, a little bit more tame, but I love it. As far as a college movie goes, is Legally Blonde three Witherspoon. I just I love that movie because it has it's a little bit more of the Omega, you know, attitude with some of the people, but you also have that um she befriends the people that would be more like Delta's. So I just think it's a very fun, um, a slightly different turn of a college movie, but it still likes it has that. I don't think we get it without Animal House. But and then of course, um Pitch Perfect, just because of how many times, how surprising it was, how many times I've watched that movie since then, and I'm like, I would have hung out with those people. I would have hung out with those music nerds.

52:53 So yeah, you know, that's that's why I pick it pretty good picks. I have ever seen Pitch Perfect. Oh my god, dude, it's so much fun. Is so much in your endorsement. I'll put it on my list. Yeah, you will not be disappointed. It's so much fun. You can you can get skip the sequels, but the first one's fantastic. I will take your advice on that. Uh for me. Um, Old School is one of the ones that I just watched it again the other night. Oh my goodness. This the cast that you get in that and the antics that you get in that is very uh feels like what we get with Animal House at times. And I go back to that one a lot too, like I do Animal House um much. You know, more modern classic comedy that goes back to what we used to have, you know, And I enjoy that very much. Um. And I'm gonna date myself a little bit with the next two. Uh love Revenge of the Nerds. Um, that one was so much fun. Uh you know, if you've not seen it. I'm a nerd to myself, So there's some times I'm like, oh man, yuck, I'm a nerd and I could probably see myself in a situation like that. But yeah, embraces one of us, and the other one, of course, is I can't is Porky's Come on guys, Yeah, I love Porky's. Yeah, and I know it's back during that time period, but just so much fun in that movie. I know it can be runch of times, but still his animal House, you know, right, you just gotta again embrace that and take it for what it is and sit back and just last because you know, there are some things

54:23 that probably they wouldn't get away with today like they did then clearly, but take it for the time period that it was. Me Yeah, anything, thank you. Well, I agree with we're overlapping with old school. Totally agree that. Now maybe somebody else was said, so I'm gonna skip it, gus one. I know that um uh, Jeff Johnson would probably be glaring at me and tapping his pencil if he didn't hear one of us mentioned back to school. Oh yeah, yeah, I always on the too similar kind of like you know, with all these it's all that kind of like um, fish out of water kind of thing and that kind of you know, uh, setting college jup is a place that should be accepting people, right and letting you find out who you are and not being what you feel like you should be on the brochure that they send you for the school.

55:09 Um, but I feel like I really have to mention Real Genius. Oh that was so good. And I feel like it's in a similar category with Revenge of the Nerds, where it's all focusing on, like, you know, the geek culture and allso the kind of stuff. It doesn't have to get into all the greekness of the other ones. Um, but Val Kilmer's comedy angled with that one specifically that in top secret. But Real Genius is the one that stands out to me. He is, He's fantastic and it's so much fun, much fun. So, speaking of Revenge of the Nerds, if there is a food fight between the Deltas and the Trilambs, who's leading the charge on each side and what's their tasty weapon of choice? Yeah, so it's got to be Bluto and bog and Booger. It's got to be those two dead on mine, good job man, so and Bluto's throwing a plateful of jello of course, because you know, yeah, um, I'm you know, and I thought just for kind of kind of stay on theme maybe or on Boogers throwing pudding. Yeah, and pudding, because that would be nice and messy, David, is that what you had? It's it's across. I think it's gone across the board on this, isn't it?

56:20 Because yes, that's exactly mine. Well done, Dayton. So mine's a little different, but there's a bit of a cheat in it. Um what No, So with the trial ams, I'm going with Gilbert just because Anthony Edwards is one of my favorite um and d day Um. I'd like to see what they both do with mashed potatoes because I had such range, Like you can put it into a meatball, It's got a good splatter, It's got a lot of a lot of versatility. I think they do a lot of interesting things with it, although DDA would probably turn it into like plastic explosives or something like that. Yeah, bringing the roof crashing down, but that's funny. No good choices though, I like that. Well done, all right, So let's go move on to a quote this. I was talking to one a little bit earlier that about Kevin Bacon. I found one from him about actually landing the role of an animal house. I'm gonna have to clean it up a little bit because as you know, it's Kevin Bacon. He says. They cast me straight out of acting school. I went for this goofy audition for this movie, and then I forgot all about it. I'm living in this two room crap hole with another guy in a welfare hotel that eighty fifth and Broadway. Then months later they called me up and said they wanted me to do some movie for Scale. Honestly, I not only didn't know how much scale was, I didn't know what the f it was at that point. I think I was it was like seven hundred and eighty five dollars a week. Man. When I found that out,

57:50 it was incredible. But they needed me out there the day after tomorrow. I had to get on a plane the next day, so I was flown first class to San Francisco, stayed in a out overnight. Man, I was in seventh f and heaven. I've been a couple of flights before, but I never flown firsth class. I couldn't believe you didn't have to pay for a beer in firth class. Clearly dating that I don't believe it. I take out my script and start reading it, hoping the stewardess will notice nice. And then he gets to the premiere and they don't even believe that he's part of the cast. They wouldn let him sit with everybody else's. There's no quote that can top that. That is fantastic. I know, I laughed when I read that quote. I've got to save this because that's fantastic. Kevin, thank you so much. I found one from Roger Ebert that I thought was interesting because all of us, I think remember watching at the movies and whatever. So I saw this, I'm like, I gotta mention this. So he says the movie's vulgar, raunchy, rawlbot and occasionally scatological m You can look that up if you want to know what that means.

58:53 If you can. It is also the funniest comedy since Melbrooks made the Producers. So I was like, okay, you know, because you're reading, I'm like, Okay, he didn't like it. He didn't like it. And then he says that I'm like, Okay, he liked it. He liked it. That's which is interesting because I think with Siskel and Ebert it could go either way. Oh yeah, I very much feel like if you're imagine you're sitting in the theater and there next to you, and then the credits come up and you kind of like slowly look over like, yeah, we're good. Bro. No, I'm glad that they loved it. Yeah. No, I was gonna say. They just talked about the time period. You know, Let's keep in mind when this movie came out, there wasn't a lot of this on the big screen or anywhere really. So for somebody like that, of that caliber of a critic, do you know to like a film like this that speaks volume right there? Yeah? It does. It does well. I mean speaking about like the time when it was happening and kind of the time period. So I found an interesting thing from Harold Ramos. He did an interview with GQ. I think it was um says, when we were writing Animal House, we assumed it would be the most successful comedy ever. Our generation of broken into television with SNL and this is going to be the first new Hollywood comedy. He was our attempt to capture those years right up to November nineteen sixty three, when there's a feeling that kids were going to take over the country for the first time in our minds. The end of that movie, the parade, all that euphoria.

1:00:10 It takes place the day before Kennedy was shot, because the day after, none of that mattered anymore, which is really interesting and pointed when you think about like all those the girls that were addressed as Jackie ol on that parade float, and I know there was like a scene there was another thing they're going to do with the parade float that they said, that's a bad taste. Let's not have JFK's head, you know, yeah, having an unfortunate incident. Let's just move on from that. But it's it's interesting that they were kind of keeping that kind of stuff in mind, and they knew that this is not only a movie about you know, acceptance in college and having a good time, but also about like a change in a change in history and kind of when that was coming about, and needing to have a different kind of college experience for everybody going into it. That was clever that So let's go ahead and talk about the back of those films since you mentioned that, Scott. That's one of the reasons why they chose this to be nineteen sixty two is because they felt that was like the last innocent year of America when a lot of stuff was going to change because, as you know, the next year, we know JFK and then Vietnam War and on and on and on. America wasn't the same after that. So that's why I forgive them for having the same year as American Graffiti because when they when I see that's why they chose that, that makes a ton of sense. Yeah, at that point, because you're right, it would be difficult if it was in sixty three or sixty four, any of those years to laugh at something like this when you know what was going on in America and what was going on the campuses across America because of the war and stuff like that.

1:01:43 So you know, I completely understand why they chose that. But not just that, but the impact this film had on the entire industry of film when it comes to that, launching that gross out film genre, right, you know, we didn't have this before, and you know, this movie came out of nowhere and just shocked America. And I guarantee it, man, you know, you're going to have those groups out there who are just going to see this film and just trash it to death because it's like this is going to ruin America, it's going to ruin the kids and blah blah blah. But you know, this really opened the eyes of the film industry because it was so successful. We saw how much money this movie made, so clearly it's what we needed and what we wanted, and we get so many good comedies because of this month, right, Well, I mean I would I would hope that a lot of like, you know, I know there was some kind of controversy at the time with you know, whether or not they wanted to show this and what kind of impact it's going to have on universities and things like that, But I mean, him, think beyond the drunk parties, beyond the state of the Delta House and alls other kind of stuff. Just think about it. If you're the parent of somebody like Dorfman coming into a school, you're just wanting to be accepted by a place, right. You don't want them to continue to be pushed to the back room or you know, or to not have a chance to kind of find out who they want to be because they've spent so many years trying to be who other people want them to be. And yeah, so I think it set the bar for other comedies to not only kind of take that kind of you

1:03:15 know, going to the gross out place or going to the shock humor kind of place and all this other kind of stuff, but having that central theme of like, when you get there, it's supposed to be a good time, You're supposed to cut loose to a cate degree. You know, there's something on the other side. You've got the you know Karen Allen's character that's kind of keeping you grounded and saying I'm like, yeah, there's something after this, but while we're here, we're never going to have this again, and just setting that kind of tone, and I mean it's the thing that makes some people want to go to college forget this right, So let it be. Yeah, it's your introduction to adulthood. You know, you're you've you've officially grown up. When you introduce you move into that world, you know, And that's really what Animal's House is showing us. You know, you become an adult and things change, right. Another thing that you know, toga parties, you know, they kind of fell out of as a fad and then this movie brought it right back, you know, you know, so another thing to think Animal House for Sorry, I just hear blueshi in my head. Oh yeah, and the famous one liners. We know we mentioned that, you know, the things that came out of this movie.

1:04:28 I mean, thank you, sir, May I have another? You know, don't get mad get even the one that I still laugh hysterically that boy is a pig, you know so. And then of course there's just so many good things in this movie that just we see show up again throughout the industry in later years. So much. Well have you even mentioned earlier the just the people, the careers that came from this movie. Yeah, I mean, it's just unbelievable. And then if you look at the movies that without this don't get made. I mean, we don't get American Pie, we don't get like mentioned Van Wild, or you don't get Old School, you don't there's so many of the not necessarily college movies, but just the kind of the grow out, the gross out, raunchy humor, you know, Revenge of the Nerds, I don't. We don't get that either, you know. So it's it really created as a genre, and it was popular and successful and they said, okay, well let's make some more of these, and granted to sometimes to the wrong end. But you know, they can't all be great, they can't all be this movie. So but yeah, without it, we definitely don't get a lot of movies in our future. And you know, the society is always gonna, you know, be upset about something. And hey, I saw this when I was eight years old, but I think I turned out all right. Absolutely, And think of all the connections this movie has made. I mean, you you Lanis and Spielberg would work together, Karen Allen would work with Spielberg later match you would work with Lanis again. Yeah, you know in future movies.

1:05:57 But you know you also get all these other actors who you know, we get Ghostbusters. Think about it, Harold Ramis, Ivan Reitman. You know you're going to lead in with Dan Ackroyd because of you know, SNL, but the Blues Brothers. You know, so much comes out of all these connections of people working on a set together that they build that future together. They don't realize. And then because when you're making that next movie, your first thought is, oh my god, I really enjoyed working with that person. I want to bring them right onto this next project, and so on and so on, and you just see how much that builds into other movies that we get later on. It's really incredible when you think about that. Yeah, well in that whole National Dampoon and Masthead, Yeah, it was kind of a you know, I remember reading that. It was some people were wild about it because they're like, this is the fall of National Dampoon, and when it started out as and what it's going to be, I feel like it's just branching into another type of media. It's another way of kind of you know, establishing you know what kind of comedy you're walking into. And you see that at the top, right with the Vacation movie with Christmas Vacation and yeah, there's there's you know, Van Wilder, and there's obviously a scale there of gross out or not, but you know that at the same time, it's kind of like when you see that at the top, you know what kind of a movie you're going to get and you just leave it at the door, right, Yeah, absolutely, All right, Um, so we will close it out with that. So where do you guys watching this that? Well, I own a copy because of course

1:07:30 I do. And uh, it's also I know I saw it on Netflix I think when I was so I actually I went through like four or five times leading up to this. Uh, some at home, and then while I was at work. Of course I watched a little bit of it too, because why not exactly, Yeah, I caught it on I caught it on Netflix. Um. But I definitely think this is one that should be physical media because I feel like this is one of those where the backstory adds so much more to the actual movie itself, right behind the scenes, and I think this is one where I'd absolutely want to see a commentary. I'd want to see the special you guys were mentioning about behind the scenes, because there's so much more to it that you know, you watch it in your first run just to see the movie, but then when you get some behind the scenes, you want to watch it again. Yeah, but now that you know what's been happening with it, Dave, what about you? There's I own a copy of it as well. There's like, you know, there are certain landmark films that you really need to have in your physical collection, and this is clearly one of them, because it's one of those movies that when you go back and watch it again, and we already mentioned this several times, it will just put you in a good mood and get you laughing and just having a great time. So definitely own a physical copy of this fee All right, Well, I want to thank all of our listeners for sure, but I want to thank Dayton. Dayton. You know what, it's always a blast of having you along to have these conversations about movies that we love. As I mentioned earlier, Scott and I, we're very excited when we're doing Animal House because we knew Dayton is going to be our guest on this film, because we knew how much you love this movie.

1:08:59 Oh yes, thank you guys for having me on because I will talk about this movie all day long and twice on Sunday. So well, that's good and that's why we had you here, Dayton. So what's coming up next for Docking Based seventy seven. Well, actually, the last couple episodes of the month of this month we have we're discussing the Disney animated movie Meet the Robinson's m Scott was there for that, so thank you and a great episode. Great movie. Yeah, to check that out. That actually drops tomorrow and the day after this drops, and then the final week of the month, we're getting our our thinking Man's Medal on so to speak, we are covering Queen's Reich's concept album Operation Mind Crime. I can't wait for that episode.

1:09:44 If you haven't heard Docking Base seventy seven, you really need to get into it because he has such a great range of topics of guests. It's music, it's comics, it's books, it's movies all over the place. And I think one of the one of the best produced podcasts um I've had the fortune of finding recently. Uh Dayton really digs in deep with a lot of his content and always has a very very interesting topics to talk about when you're getting into it, and every time I'm able to join his show, you know, it's it's looking back on things like Meet the Robinson's that you don't really hear being discussed very much, and it's it's opening up doors to some new things. Um, something is killing the children. I never would have discovered without dog in Base seventy seven. So dat's what you're doing, ye, And thank you, Scott. And you're a fiefty dollars to hit your people account right all right? So Scott, what's coming up for a film? Buy? And us next? So for a film buy for the Mothership. They're getting into Park Chan Wook's Lady Vengeance to be a very interesting episode. I'm looking forward to that one. Um for us, it's the movie I've been looking forward to talking about since we started this thing, in my opinion of the greatest movie in nineteen seventy eight, Richard Donner's Superman.

1:11:05 With a very special guest from the cast of this iconic movie, Aaron Smolinsky. You have to tune in. You have to hear what he has to say. It's inside stories from the production of this and a lot of the other Superman movies. It's a fantastic conversation. I'm glad we were able to have. Definitely check it out. Don't miss that one because it was a great time with him and we look forward to you all listening to it for sure. Ye all right, So for all you listeners out there, if you want to answer any of our questions that we ask today, we would love to hear from you. If you want to leave a comment, discuss what's next, or even half suggestions, you can find us at www. Dot film by podcast dot com. A film by podcast at gmail dot com, a film by a podcast on Facebook Twitter and Instagram until our film real start rolling again, go out, watch something new, watch something different, and who knows what you will discover next. Thanks everyone, Thanks everybody's you know them.