A Film at 45 - Force 10 From Navarone

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
nineteen seventy eight. In a Film Buys

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limited series, A Film at forty
five. I am David Burns and I'm

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Scott Hoffman, and we're dusting off
the end of a decade that changed cinema

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forever with a fresh look at modern
classics and hidden gems that we can't stop

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watching even forty five years after their
debut. Today's episode takes us at a

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mission back to World War Two with
Force ten from Navaram. We're enough commandos

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where dessessus are experts have been studying
that rich for weeks and they say a

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little blow. I don't know where
you learned your job, but I'm talking

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about the best construction engineers in the
business. Yes, well, they're probably

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expensive building things, whereas I'm an
expertive playing them up. The odds against

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them were ten thousand to one.
But what the hell, It's time to

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join the fight with Fourth ten and
go on one last adventure for nineteen seventy

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eight, the sequel to Guns of
navarone loosely based on Alistair McLean's nineteen sixty

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eight novel, And I will say
loosely. This impressively casted film brings Mallorie

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and Miller back together in another secret
mission, this time played by Robert Shaw

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and Edward Fox, set in nineteen
forty three, two years after the events

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in the original film, Scott,
was this film seen by you years ago?

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Or was this a recent viewing for
you? So when we spoke with

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Jason, I was under the impression
that I knew this movie more than I

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did. I recognized parts of it, but I'm pretty sure I just recognized

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parts of it from my dad seeing
it on like a Saturday afternoon matinee,

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because when I rewatched it for this
podcast, it was almost like watching it

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with the fresh eyes. So I'm
really glad that we discovered this one,

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and I'm really glad we're talking about
it because I think it's one that a

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lot of the people need to catch
up on, especially with the new Indiana

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Jones movie coming out What About You. Yeah. So I'm kind of glad

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that we edited this one to talk
because I know this wasn't on our original

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list when we were talking about doing
the films from seventy eight. I'm glad

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we brought this one in because I
had seen this. I want to say

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I cut it on like T and
T or something like that long long time

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ago. I remember them blowing up
the damn and that was about all that

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I remembered. So watching it again
to get ready for the podcast, a

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lot of it was new again for
me, you know, remembering Harrison Ford

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in that role with Barnesby, you
know, and those kind of things that

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it felt fresh again. So I
guess it was good that han't seen it

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a long time because it was like
watching a new movie. Yeah, And

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I think it's absolutely one that deserves
a rewatch now because I think even if

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it's one that you had seen early
in the eighties, there are a lot

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more kind of pop culture connections that
you're going to make now if you had

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seen this before Last Crusade, for
example, and a lot of other kind

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of like the Jack Ryan movies with
Harrison Ford. There's a lot to revisit

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here that probably wouldn't have clicked in
the same way in the early eighties when

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it was when it was going to
be played the most right. Yeah,

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No, absolutely. The film hit
theaters December eighth, nineteen seventy eight,

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had a budget of five million.
I'll only end up making seven point two,

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I guess still a success since it
made its money back and made a

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little extra but clearly not the success
that I know Guns of Navarone had when

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it first came out. But before
we joined Fourth ten on their secret mission,

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Scott tell our listeners who have never
seen this, is this all about?

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So before we started talking about this
one, I'm going to get back

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into the movie that started at the
Guns of Navaron. So in nineteen forty

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three, an elite commando squad stormed
an access stronghold on the navarone to save

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the lives of two thousand British soldiers
and countless Allied naval ships. The story

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of these commandos continues in this sequel, where two surviving members of the squad

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played by Robert Shaw and Edward Fox, joined Force ten, a specialized American

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unit led by US Ranger Harrison Ford
that are focused on taking down another key

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strategic target in Yugoslavia. Their mission
is to protect Yugoslavian partisan forces from a

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dual threat, the Access Army gearing
up on the other side of a seemingly

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indestructable bridge, and a trader that
also survived the Guns of Navarone, who

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focuses on destabilizing partisan forces from within. Joined by Carl Weathers as an accidental

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yet essential member of this squad,
forced Ten races to their target in an

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intense adventure that sees sees them facing
countless betrayals and in almost impossible odds.

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Although this movie isn't discussed much,
it's a hidden gem that's definitely worth uncovering.

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And I'll tell you it as far
as the kind of the fresh watch

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of this and kind of getting familiar
with guns Have Never Owned and film like

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maybe I'm a little behind if I
haven't seen that one. It jumps right

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into the action with footage from Guns
Have Never Owned that. I think cleverly

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of voids showing footage of Gregory Peck
and the original actors and inserts Edward Fox

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and Robert Shaw into some of those
scenes subtly, so the sequel helps somebody

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to pick up right where I left
off right, So I think it's very

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cleverly well done. I think it's
very well done, and I think it

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helps to kind of set the stage
and gives you exactly the kind of background

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that I think you need to be
able to get into this. Absolutely,

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I'm always a sucker for like historical
films. I know Hollywood struggles with giving

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us that that accuracy, but you
know, I really enjoy them for their

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settings. You know, you get
to look at a different time period that

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you normally wouldn't get to see.
You know. It's at escapism, you

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know, where you get to go
back and see what it was like when

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you weren't around, you know,
in different time periods. Yeah. Um,

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And for this one, I really
like the story because you have two

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different missions going on here. You've
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know, who have their own mission. Uh. You know, they're trying

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to kill the guy that escaped with
le Leskovar was that his name? Yeah,

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Yeah, they were trying to get
him, while Barnesby has his own

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mission because he's got to you know, secretly take out that bridge, you

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know. And I really appreciate that
because you know, that gives friction for

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these characters. You know, our
first introduction to Barnesby when he runs into

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them as they're you know, heading
to the office, uh you know,

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and they go into the office and
they're giving their missions, and then Barnesby

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learns that Mallorie Miller are going is
going with them. He's like, you

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know, these guys are two old
men. You know they're going to slow

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us down basically, you know,
they can keep us, you know,

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like trying to force fit them into
his squad. Even though those two men

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are absolutely essential to getting the mission
completed. If if Mallory wasn't there,

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less Oar, I'll put in a
spoiler alert. Even though we've already talked

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about the damn exploding, We've had
three five years. It's okay. Less

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k Oar would have completely, you
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as he did it in several instances. And without Miller, they would

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have been throwing a bag of TNT
against a steel wall essentially, like this

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bridge could not have been taken down
by anybody else, no matter how many

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explosives they were going to throw at
it, right, And since that was

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Barnesby's focus, that was his mission, it would have been absolutely impossible without

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the two of them. So even
though they were kind of I think he

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felt like they were being forced into
that, I think it was absolutely important

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for them to be there. Yeah, and what I like, and it's

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jumping a little bit of head to
the story of the story, but I

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love the fact that Barnsby is the
one that kills us, you know,

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And it was like it was that
one of the things like, look,

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I just did I just did your
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I love that in the story when
that happened, I did, yeah,

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And I think what's interesting in that
scene, I'm glad you brought that up.

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There was a bit of emotion,
Like it seemed like Harrison'sward was getting

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emotional in that scene. Ye,
Like he seemed to almost be kind of

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welling up and saying like, so
I did this for you to help me

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do mine. And I think it's, you know, um, that sense

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of desperation, like we're on a
train that makes no stops. It's going

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to go near this, but I'm
I'm at the point where it seems like

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my mission is hopeless and I'm about
to fail my mission. So let's get

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this done exactly. Yeah, Well, before we really moving on to that,

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what I find unique about this movie
too, is the fact that you

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have all of these actors who have
just recently had these iconic blockbuster movies.

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You know, that they're combining to
do this one. Harrison Ford is just

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coming off of a new Hope,
Star Wars, Robert Shaw had Jaws and

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seventy five, Carl weathers Rocky in
seventy six, and then you've got Richard

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Q and Barbara Bach who in the
previous year just had the SPA Who Loved

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Me. Right, you have like
all of these major stars, you know,

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combining to make this movie, and
you know it works having all of

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them in this movie, you know
it was a very good combination in great

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chemistry among everybody. In my opinion, Yeah, I absolutely agree. And

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I think that's a that's a really
important thing to note, Like we were

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saying before, like this shares DNA
with the Rocky franchise, the Jaws franchise,

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the Star Wars franchise, Indiana Jones, even the the Jack Ryan Yep

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franchise. I think there's a a
lot of there's a lot of that that

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you can see beginning in here.
And if you're a fan of any of

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those, um serious, this is
definitely one to watch because you can see

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so many familiar faces, but you're
also going to see actors that are um

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I guess arguably pretty early in there, early in the career that we know

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the most for I think that's arguable
for Robert Shaw since he had such a

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career before Jaws. So I don't
want to belittle his career and make him

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think it was just Jaws. Right, it's a pretty iconic one, so

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it is. Um, yeah,
it's it's definitely going back back for for

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that if nothing else. Yeah,
well let's break down this cast a little

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bit. Um of of course,
we'd have Harrison Ford, you know,

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as Barnesby. What else can you
say about this guy? You know,

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he's had such an amazing career.
Everyone knows him as he as Han Solo

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and Indiana Jones and just you know, Jack Ryan, and the list goes

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on and on for this guy.
Very talented guy. And one of the

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things that I learned about him is, you know, he took on this

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role because he wanted to get away. It was basically he thought this was

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a guest star role, you know
in this movie, you know, to

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kind of get away from that,
you know, typecast kind of thing.

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Yeah, But to me, I
felt Barnesby was integral to this story.

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I felt he it was the driving
force behind all of this. I mean,

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I know this was about Mallory and
Miller, but Barnesby was always there,

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was the one that kept pushing the
story forward in my opinion, So

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I think his character was a lot
bigger than he thought it was. Yeah,

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yeah, absolutely, And I think
he made the right choice in doing

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this when he did it, you
know, soon after American Graffiti, soon

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after Star Wars, and I kind
of wonder if this might have been playing

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in theaters while they were still running
Star Wars, like in the same movie

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house. Should be able to like
choose between the two. And it's also

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in the same year that he had
another unfortunate production, the Star Wars Holiday

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Special about that, so soon after
that, if this comes to theaters,

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it's very much like Okay, let's
let's forget about you know, dancing with

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the Hookies. You see so much
of what you would come to see from

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him in the future, you know, as a leader, Like you're saying,

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there are so many movies where he
has that. You know, we

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see a lot of the trademark authoritative
pointing hand from him where he's kind of

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like get off my plane, kind
of like m but you see a lot

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of that start here, and it's
things that we saw a little bit in

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Star Wars. But he steps into
the spotlight so much more with this,

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and I love the fact that it
is you know, it's it's very much

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kind of a duality between Barnesby and
Mallory from two different sides of this this

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mission and two different kind of attitudes. Like how um, there's so much

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seriousness in Harrison Ford's portrayal, Like
there are a couple of times he you

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know, cracks a trademark smile and
allso other kind of stuff, but he's

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kind of taken down a peg by
Robert Shaw, who is just you know

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every single time that that half smile
that he does just kind of diffuses the

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situation but helps both of them to
drive it further. So, yeah,

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it's that it's that quartet of Robert
Shaw, Harrison Forward, Edward Fox,

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and Carl Weathers yea that makes this
such an engaging team to watch. I

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think of all the characters who had
the best character arc in this, it

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was it had to be Harrison Force
Barnsby because you know, you just touch

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based on it where you know,
he was like this strick by the book.

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You know, he didn't care about
having these two new guys joining them.

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You know, he just wanted to
get his mission go on. He

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wanted to take care of his mission, and he had the guys that he

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wanted. He didn't want anybody being
thrown in there because it would throw them

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off, which it makes sense.
I agree with that, right. But

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then you know, Malory and Millner
started growing on him as the story grows

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along and by the end and you
know, he just accepts them as part

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of the group, you know,
because he realizes, you know, how

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important they were to make sure these
missions that were accomplished the way they were.

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So I think his character had the
best story arc in my opinion,

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from beginning to end. Yep,
yep, absolutely, And I like how

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you're making me think about how how
much he was focused on things have to

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go this way or it won't go
right, like all the way to when

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they were talking about blowing up the
bridge and he's like, well, what

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are you talking about. We've got
all these explosives, We've got this plan.

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And he was like, well that's
nice. The people who were telling

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you how to blow out how to
blow up that bridge are experts in building

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these things, not in taking them
down, right, I am, And

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you have to be able to adapt
thinking about when they were first captured by

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front of Michael Burns Schroeder and Robert
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adapt in the moment because he knows
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anything cannon will happen. So as
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oh, thank god you got us. Yeah, because we're deserters, were

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we're here for you. We have
this penicillin. He's able to pivot like

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that, you know, thinking back
to the scene with the plane when he's

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got this you know, this Force
ten um ready to get into action and

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most of them were killed before they
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to be able to adapt to those
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what Robert Shaw helped him to kind
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kind of thing. Yep, yep. And then the end introduction of Weaver

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Carl Weathers, you know, being
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getting pissed off because you're leaving me
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right, no, right, yeah, And then I think he's on

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the plane I love that. Yeah. I think he was a great addition

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the character of Weaver because it gets
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a plan, Barnesby has a plan, Miller has a plan, and everybody

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enforced ten is supposed to follow that. So Weaver being that voice that's like,

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tell me what is happening, Tell
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I know that there's you know,
classified this and that and you know whatever,

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but we're in the thick of it, and if you want me to

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be a part of it, you
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of a poorly timed um moment to

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express that when they were being chased
by the you know, they're making their

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great escape and he's like, wait
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talk about this. They're like,
no, you need to get the truck

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started. Yeah, well, let's
let's talk a little bit about Robert Shaw

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as a Mallory. UM. I
believe this was here his last completed film.

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He would pass away August of seventy
eight, so he wouldn't even get

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to see this movie being released,
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he died in the middle of filming
Avalanche Express, which came out in nineteen

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seventy nine, but this would put
this as his last completed film. But

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quite quite a shame behind that because
he was such a very talented actor.

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That was taken a little bit too
soon for him, that's for sure.

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Yeah, absolutely, And considering that
he didn't seem like he had much of

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an opinion of this movie, right. It seemed like he's been quoted as

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nut enjoying the filmmaking process at this
point in his career and predicted that this

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might be his last one. Not
that he knew that he was willing to

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pass away, obviously, but maybe
he was getting tired of the industry and

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on this set it seemed like he
went through quite a lot. I saw

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that he was attacked by a group
of robbers during filming this movie, UM,

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and to just you know, to
show how much of a you know,

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a tough guy he is, how
impressive he is, he fought them

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off and chased them away with a
machete. That sounds like wow, So

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you know, it's unfortunately he had
to go through that, but I think

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this is essential viewing in his career. UM. You know, it is

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a war movie, it is an
action movie, it's an adventure movie.

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So um, it might not have
as much depth as some of his other

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roles, but the way that he
captures scenes, his his stare, specifically,

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especially when he's looking at Leskovar,
he's staring a heat vision hole through

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that guy every time he's staring at
him, because he's told like, no,

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this isn't the guy you're supposed to
take out. He's already gone,

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and he's like, yeah, we'll
see I know. So just that that

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laser focused stare at him, that's
almost hypnotic. It's kind of like it

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feels like if you're looking at you
know, into the face of a lion.

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That was just kind of like,
you know, rolling its shoulders and

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getting ready to pounce. Yep,
you know you're in trouble. It's it's

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that thing where actors are told to, you know, act with your eyes.

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How important that is. And Robert
Shaw does such an amazing job with

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that. Just the looks that he
gives, you know, his eyes and

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how he's looking at somebody just like
you said, just shows how good he

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is at performing in front of the
camera. Yeah, and I believe he

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heard his knee before this film,
which is why they gave him the cane

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and the limp, so they kind
of wrote it into the script so it

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made sense. Yeah. Um.
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I don't know if you noticed this
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it was introducing those characters, right
before when they ran into Barnsby, they

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found out that they were going to
the same meeting when he was using that

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cane, So before he went to
the meeting, do you know if he

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threw the cane, stay here,
take the back to my office, right,

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he didn't want to be seen with
the king going into that office,

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right. Yeah, Well that's an
interesting touch. Yeah yeah, I thought

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that was so gorgeous, added to
his character and thinking, oh, okay,

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this guy's a badass man. Yeah, absolutely, god yep. Then

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of course we have Edward Fox who
played Miller. He was in Gandhi You

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Never Say Never Again, which,
by the way, there's a lot of

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Bond connections to this movie, including
Gott Hamilton obviously who directs this, right,

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but clearly that's probably why we have
a lot of Bond connection. But

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still I think it's going I thought
everar Fox did really good. I know

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David Niven was Miller in the original, and by the way, Gregory Pack

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was the original Mallory. But I
thought that you guys that we got Everard

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Fox and Robert Shaw did a great
job building it for Gregory Pack and David

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Niven, don't you think. Yeah? Absolutely, Edward Fox's Miller was so

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calm, cool and collected and for
somebody who you know, manages the toy

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store. As they said at once
point, the guy who's in charge of

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explosives, UM keeps a level head
through the entire picture, even when they're

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like, so we're staring at a
at a at a damn that we can't

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blow up, UM to even think
about doing so, we have to get

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right in the you know, right
behind enemy lines for eight hours at least

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to get it done. And he's
like, yeah, you know, it

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shouldn't be a problem. I'm sure
we'll figure it out. UM. I

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loved his approach. Uh. There
was the one scene where we had the

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um kind of the pass when there
when their truck broke down and they had

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to kind of like get ready to
attack. The guy's on horseback and he

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blows up the whole ravine um to
trap them and then just comes kind of

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like trotting down the hill the big
deal. Yeah, such a level head.

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Even has that like theme song and
that pipe they keeps smoking. Yeah,

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yeah, he did. He did
a great job in this one.

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He was like a little kid with
his with his explosions, right. He

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was so excited about, you know, showing off what was in his briefcase

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and and using it like the whole
distraction he did at the end when they

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were you know, to sneak into
the damn he had to like pull a

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lot of those German soldiers away.
So they were just running around having fun

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with his explosions, in his fireworks, just having a good old time,

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right exactly. Yeah, even even
the case that he was carrying around.

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It was like a chemistry set,
yeah, right, like a kid with

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the chemistry set. It was crazy. It was really good, really good

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character. I really enjoyed watching him
u um. Then we have Franco Nero

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who played leskovar Um. I thought
he did a fantastic job in this role

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because at one point I believed him
when he said, you know, I'm

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not a German part what are you
talking about? Where they kind of like

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laughed that off, and then you
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bit later obviously when um uh what's
her name, um, Barbara back Marizza

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where she catches him, you know, talking to the Germans to let him

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know what's going on. You know, I believed him, so they you

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know, they they had me for
sure on his character, on his twist.

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And I love the whole part where
they sneak in to steal the land

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mines or whatever that was, you
know, to help them blow up the

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damn that whole sequence and I'm gonna, you know, give away what one

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of my favorite scenes is is that
whole sequence because you know, you're on

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your edge of the seat right there, because you know he's telling the Germans,

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hey, i've got these guys here. Go get your men, you

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know, and let's get them all, capture them all together. And then

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you have the good guys who don't
really know that he's still he is a

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spy, and so they're kind of
like watching what he's saying. But then

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they catch him later on. I
was like, why why did you salute

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him? And I love that because
I didn't catch it at first, and

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then they did, Oh my god, he did salute. Was it a

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sergeant, I believe it was.
I said, why why were you saluting

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him? And then you started seeing
their minds basically working like this guy is

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indeed a German spy. I just
love that whole sequence, man. Yeah,

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yeah, I think I think it's
a really cleverly orchestrated sequence. Like

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you said, it's so many different
kinds of things that he has to do.

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He has to be on the train, on the ground, running back

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and forth and trying to fool so
many people, and you can see all

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his you know, charismatic machinations kind
of breaking down right up until that point.

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He's got everybody right where that he
wants them. He's kind of playing

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them like puppets, and he's losing
his grip again as they get closer to

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their objective. I do think it's
interesting in that scene where they confront him

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on the train, it's not an
immediate confrontation. They want to slowly break

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it down and they want to show
him like we're seeing this, we're seeing

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this, we're seeing this, we
know who you are, and kind of

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building to a confession before Barnesby ultimately
shoots him and just says, let's just

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end this. He does have a
very captivating look, as you know,

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you can see him being a very
you know, charismatic kind of actor.

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But he's got those blue eyes that
just kind of stare through you, which

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is interesting when you know, gestaposed
that with Robert Shaw right, that it's

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like a staring contest, right,
like which one of them is going to

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stab? But yeah, I thought
it was. It was interesting to watch

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him. The whole time. I
was trying to figure out where do I

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know this guy from? And I
know that he was the original Django way

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back in the day. In Camelot
he played Lance a lot, which probably

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means more to my parents than it
does to me. But then it finally

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clicked when I was looking into his
his career. He was Esperanza from die

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Hard Too, which of all the
things he's done and currently doing, he's

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probably like, really, that's what
I'm being remembered for, but that one

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stood out to me. Was like, yeah, it's Esperanza so and they

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die Hard two fans, Yeah,
that's gonna click with you too. And

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when I caught two and I looked
at his uh, you know what he

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was. In his most recent movie, he plays the Pope in The Pope's

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Exorcist that just came out a couple
of months ago. Oh crazy, I

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know, I gotta gonna check that
out now, I know, right,

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same here? Well of course,
okay, sorry, oh no, just

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let's get into Carl Weathers. Yeah, yeah, let's let's talk about Carlo

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Carl Weathers as a weaver. Obviously
we all know him from Rocky Predator and

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you know recently The Mandalorian. But
Scott, what have you got? Uh?

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Yeah? So Carl Weathers, I
think is a is a standout performance

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into this because he is not He's
not trying to distance distance himself from sci

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fi like Harrison Ford was, but
he still has um an iconic role that

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he started to filed with Apollo Creed, which is one of my favorite roles.

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I think he's he's an amazing actor, and I think what this helps

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to do, similar to Harrison Ford, is it helps to demonstrate his range.

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He has a lot of great emotional
range that he's able to explore with

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this, but he's still got that
commanding presence I think as a leader in

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his own right for this squad,
he's keeping them focused on the mission.

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He's making sure that they're able to
do what they need to do. He

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essentially is force ten that they're leading
and he's getting the job done. I

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think it absolutely sets him up as
not just an action star, but a

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leading man in things you mentioned like
Predator, like Action Jackson even to present

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day. I've got to say one
of my favorite characters in the toy story

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of franchise Combat Carl. His voice, his um, his presence on the

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screen absolutely commands your attention, and
I think he steals every scene where he's

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featured. UM. I think he
keeps his cool. I think he's a

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balance between Um, the rest of
the team, Mallory, Barnsby, and

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Miller Um. I think he shares
part of what each of them bring to

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it. He's focused on getting the
mission done, but he knows when it's

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necessary to kind of diffuse that tension. He knows when it's necessary to keep

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your cool. I think this is
an amazing role to see him in.

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I think it's a demonstration of his
range, and I think it's absolutely one

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that's essential for somebody to see that's
a fan of him today. If your

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only exposure to him, for whatever
reason is Cargo from Mandalorian, you need

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to see this movie because seeing him
at that age doing what he's able to

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do. Um, you can definitely
see how this had a big role in

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the rest of his career. I
know that Jeff saw him at Motor City

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Cone and asked him specifically about Forced
ten. Didn't get much time to talk

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to him, but said, you
know, what did you think about,

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um, what was one of your
favorite experiences about working on Forced ten?

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And he was like, I loved
everything about working on Forrest ten. It

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seemed like he had a great time, and you can see it on screen.

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Yeah, his his character, you
know, as you said, you

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know how calm he was. One
of the scenes that I thought was really

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impressive. Of course he would eventually
punch him. Was the first scene when

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he met Drasic. You know clearly
what he was, you know, saying

408
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.799
to us jerk, yeah, yeah, and you know, and and eventually

409
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.160
I like how you know those two
faced off one another later on in that

410
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.960
final fight that had went out with
the knives and stuff like that. I

411
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:08.119
just love those whole sequences. And
I'm glad we ever had his showdown with

412
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:12.680
Drazik because he needed that. He
earned that, uh, you know,

413
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.960
and I respect of that, and
I really enjoyed that. But yeah,

414
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:19.200
I couldn't speak more highly of,
you know, of him. Carl Weathers

415
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:23.799
was fantastic in this movie, from
his introduction of being arrested by the MP

416
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:29.079
to sneaking on the plane, you
know, to being thrown into this mission

417
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.240
that he hasn't no clue what he's
doing, you know, and even going

418
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.200
back to the scene that you talked
about where you know that they're they're in

419
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:37.200
a rush and they're like, hey, get back in the truck. No,

420
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.000
I need to know what's going on? What are we doing? You

421
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.440
know? You know, all of
his scenes were just fantastic and were really

422
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.960
important to the movie and really just
showed what a strong character he was and

423
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:53.200
how much he was needed in that
cast. Absolutely Scotty, but couldn't agree

424
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.799
more. Well, the next man
got of course, let's talk about dras

425
00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.759
good Old Richard Keel himself. Um, you know, we we talked about

426
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.200
one person who was in the movie
Jaws, but we're gonna talk about a

427
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:08.559
person who was Jaws and Moon Raker, uh the spot who Loved Me.

428
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:11.920
He was also in Pale Writer.
But this Richard kill has got a long

429
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:17.079
list of movies that he was in. And everybody who knows who Richard Kill

430
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:21.000
is really tall guy, um,
you know, and just always plays this

431
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:27.279
what mammoth guy character and yeah,
big guy. I think his wife was

432
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:32.079
only like five foot something and like
it's like that's wow, how did that

433
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.200
work? But okay, never mind, Ye, but yeah, fantastic actor.

434
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.799
Did a lot of work, uh
you know, throughout the years and

435
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.279
very recognizable. And I thought I
thought he did great in this role.

436
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:48.279
I even though I hated his character, especially the way he treated Weaver um,

437
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:49.880
but you know, it was his
character. Uh you know, like

438
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.920
you said, a racist jerk,
but um, that's just who that character

439
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.359
was. And I thought it was
well placed in this movie who he played.

440
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:00.559
So I liked it. Yeah.
And as somebody who's, like I

441
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:07.519
said, seven foot to this towering
presence, he really represents the force that

442
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:14.720
he was kind of leading right that
side of the story. He um kind

443
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:19.200
of stood for them, So it
gave you kind of a focal point.

444
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.960
I think the rest of the soldiers
were were there to you know, to

445
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:27.680
serve a certain role, but it
gave you kind of a focal point to

446
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.799
them, like if we're able to
beat him, we're able to beat the

447
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:35.240
whole thing. I think he did
a great job. I know that a

448
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:40.720
lot of his lines were dubbed,
yeah, for various reasons, but his

449
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:49.319
presence is one that you absolutely can't
miss, and he commands attention. He

450
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.359
is at the same time, you
know, like that scene where the little

451
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:57.319
boy runs up and tells him about
you know, they're sneaking in their impostors,

452
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.799
and he's walking with him saying like, hey, a little guy,

453
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.880
you're gonna be all right, and
kind of encouraging like maybe I'll make you

454
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.440
part of my army, you know. Um. Yeah, he did a

455
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:13.960
great job of making you, you
know, hate him and see him as

456
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:17.880
this you know, enemy to be
taken down. But also just um,

457
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.640
there's there's no looking away from Richard
Keel right, No, yeah, none.

458
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:27.960
Um. A couple other characters or
actors I should say that you know

459
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.599
we're in this movie that I just
I want to mention is obviously Michael Byrne

460
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:34.839
and a Wolf Collar, because both
of those guys were would go on to

461
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:39.279
be in Indiana Jones with Harrison Ford. But Michael Byrne, who who played

462
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:44.839
Schroeder in this I have I love
his character because when I watched this again,

463
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.799
I'm like, oh my god,
that's Vogel right from the Last Crusade.

464
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.519
I always remember that's one of my
favorite scenes of all the Ennan Jones

465
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.039
and there's very many, but but
when he fights Vogel on that tank in

466
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.200
the Last Crusade, just love,
love that scene. And I was like,

467
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.759
oh my gosh, this is in
the earlier days of Michael Byrne.

468
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:06.599
It was really neat to see him
and again playing a German again. I'm

469
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:08.920
like, Okay, apparently he does
this really really well. Right, Well,

470
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:12.760
that's what I mean. Like,
you see the DNA of Indiana Jones

471
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.840
in this so clearly, Like when
you mentioned Wolf Caller, you know,

472
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:21.119
um, the guy who's one of
the people who has his face melted by

473
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:25.280
the Lost arc, right, you
can't see his face without seeing his face

474
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:30.960
melting at least, So it's very
interesting to see that here. And it's

475
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:35.519
almost like, you know, I
when I see a lot of these scenes,

476
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.039
it makes me wonder, you know, how much of this footage may

477
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:43.559
be used to help with dial of
Destiny when it comes out. You know,

478
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.360
there's there's so much early Indian in
this it's incredible it is. Yeah,

479
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:50.079
I just wonder if some of this
was an inspiration to that, you

480
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.800
know, Yeah, um, and
it could be. I mean, because

481
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:54.159
there's just so many connections to Lucas
film. But we'll get into a little

482
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:58.599
bit later. Um. Let's talk
a little bit about the director, Guy

483
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:04.159
Hamilton. This guy was quite known
for the Bond films. He did Live

484
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:07.159
and Let Die in seventy three,
gold Finger sixty four, Diamonds Are Forever

485
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.320
in seventy one, The Man with
the Golden Gun in seventy four. He

486
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.159
would also do the Battle of Britain, which I believe he used some Battle

487
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:20.639
of Britain footage in this movie.
Yeah. And what I did not know,

488
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:22.760
did you know he directed Remo Williams
in nineteen eighty five? Because I

489
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.559
did not know that. Really,
I did not know that. I know,

490
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:31.599
I found that quite interesting. But
Scott, we didn't talk about this

491
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.960
in our Superman episode, but he
was originally hired to direct Superman. I

492
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.079
didn't know that either. Yeah,
I didn't know that. I did see

493
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:43.840
that in looking into this movie,
but I didn't know. Yeah, because

494
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.920
it was scheduled the film in Italy, and I guess good old Marlon Brando

495
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:51.760
who always had to have his way, didn't want it to be filmed there,

496
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.519
so it got moved to England,
and of course Hamilton had dropped out

497
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:59.039
because of that, and that's when
Richard donnerd dotted. But you know,

498
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:00.880
I found that quite interest. I
didn't know that it would be a much

499
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.400
much different movie. Yeah, I'm
kind of glad it happened the way it

500
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:07.039
did. But yeah, no offense, Guy Hamilton, No, no,

501
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.480
no offense, no offense. Yeah, um, but no, I mean

502
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:14.199
I thought Guy Hamilton did a really
good job with this movie. And anyone

503
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.639
who knows Bond knows the name Guy
Hamilton, and I think getting him to

504
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.480
direct this film was it was a
good touch because you know, and that's

505
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:22.920
why there's probably a lot of Bond
connection to this of a lot of actors

506
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.519
who were in this movie, because
he probably pulled him in with him.

507
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.400
Um, you know, but it
was very fitting. And you know there's

508
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.840
some sequence in here that had a
little bit of that Bond touch to it,

509
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.159
you know, with the villains and
stuff like that. You know,

510
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.840
it really had that vibe at time. So, um, I think having

511
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:44.000
Guy Hamilton do that I thought was
a nice touch. Yeah, yeah,

512
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.719
absolutely agree. All right, so
let's look through the limbs. Scott,

513
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:52.679
um any any interesting behind the scenes
that you might have found while digging information

514
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.960
for this movie? Um, well
as already mentioned, Um, you know,

515
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.519
it's a it's a sequel to a
movie that was made a decade before

516
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:07.280
it comes out, So again,
I haven't necessarily seen the original, but

517
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:12.800
the original was such a success that
they wanted to kind of build on that

518
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:19.960
success and continue this. Unfortunately,
they had a hard time getting that done.

519
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:27.400
Following the success, the author Alistair
McClean was asked to write a sequel

520
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:31.119
novel as a follow up to the
film, but I guess there was some

521
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:37.159
reluctancy to do so, felt like
it was more appropriate to do a screen

522
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:45.679
treatment, so that ended up getting
stuck in a lot of developmental complications.

523
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:53.320
Came out as a book soon after, but it would be another decade before

524
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:58.719
they could get it made. So
obviously you have a sequel that doesn't use

525
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:04.199
the original cast to a movie that
people may have forgotten or not thought about

526
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.440
in quite a while. So there
was weaker interest in seeing that sequel come

527
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:15.119
through, which probably led to that
less than stellar box office. After all

528
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.320
that, you said, seven million
as opposed to twenty nine, which is

529
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.960
unfortunate because you know, when you
think about how much kind of came out

530
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.360
of this movie, how many connections
there are to this movie, and how

531
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.280
much it's a really quality movie that
doesn't get seen too much. I think

532
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:37.840
the poor performance makes it seem like
it was a bad movie. Even hearing

533
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.440
quotes from the other actors make it
seem like a movie. They're almost kind

534
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.119
of like, yeah, I did
that, it was just for the money,

535
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.960
or I'm kind of embarrassed about it. But I don't think they necessarily

536
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.519
have to be. I think it
stands up. I've watched it a few

537
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:55.559
times, and each time I think
it has the same impact. It also

538
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.920
came out in a year where there
was a lot of controversy surrounding Vietnam,

539
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:05.760
So we've already discussed The Deer Hunter
this year, and there are a lot

540
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:13.639
of movies coming out, which made
war probably a difficult subject to discuss and

541
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:19.159
probably made it very difficult for a
movie focused on war to come out and

542
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:24.519
succeed. So I think it's unfortunate
timing. I think it's fortunate timing and

543
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:30.519
that we got performances from Robert Shaw
when we did performances from Harrison Ford and

544
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:35.760
Carl Weathers at this point in their
careers, and we had so many connections

545
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:40.480
that obviously led to other things.
It's just unfortunate that that happened to undermine

546
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:45.280
the success of what this could have
done. Yeah, I know, Um,

547
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.199
this is, like you said,
this was based off of Alison McLean's

548
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:52.119
book, you know, very loosely. You know, it doesn't even it

549
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.559
has very little resemblance of what was
in that novel. Apparently I've not read

550
00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:01.239
it, but my understanding is such
little resemblance to it. Basically name,

551
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:06.519
you know, is what they used, and little other things. Um,

552
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.679
but I know mcclaim would go on
later to adapt I believe, a screenplay

553
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:15.639
into his like a nineteen eighty two
book of Partisans because of so much,

554
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:17.519
you little, was used in this
movie that he was able to go on

555
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.840
and do that. Um, you
know, digging for information for the movie,

556
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.360
it wasn't a lot out there for
me that I could find. But

557
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:30.880
you know, just just the movie
in general was was you know, really

558
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.039
entertaining to watch from beginning to end, especially for a movie, you know,

559
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.239
a movie in nineteen seventy eight.
I feel it still holds up in

560
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:42.039
my opinion. Uh. You know, we talk about a lot of things

561
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.039
that we love, scenes that we
like to watch and stuff like that.

562
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:46.840
But we'll get into that a little
bit later. Um. You know when

563
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:51.920
we talked about our favorite scenes with
the rewind and stuff like that. Um,

564
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.159
but let's talk a little bit about
the score itself by Ron Goodwin.

565
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:04.920
Um. This man has an undry
list of movies and music that he's done.

566
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:07.840
He's done Frenzy The Day of the
Triffids in sixty three, which I

567
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:13.960
think is funny where eagles there,
and he even uses some of where eagles

568
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.280
there's music in this movie. Yeah, Um, the Battle of Britain.

569
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:22.599
He also did a movie called Candleshoe, which was a very young Jodie Foster

570
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:28.239
Disney movie, Yeah, which I
found quite interesting. But one of the

571
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.639
things I liked about Goodwin's score was
the opening when they did the main title

572
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:37.079
sequence where he had like those sketches
and stuff like that you were seeing the

573
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:38.880
map, you know, and stuff
like that. I really enjoyed that score.

574
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:40.519
You know, at first, when
I first heard it, I'm like,

575
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.760
this is it seems very whimsical.
It seems uh, you know,

576
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:50.440
lighthearted, and fun, you know, for a movie that I thought was

577
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.280
going to be very very serious,
because, like I said, it's been

578
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.280
a long time since I've seen this
movie, so it was, you know,

579
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:59.719
almost like seeing it new again.
And I didn't remember the score that

580
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:04.519
much. So when I'm seeing this
opening music, I kind of felt like,

581
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:06.920
this seems kind of different from the
move, but I really enjoyed it.

582
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.199
Um, you could this movie really
has a resemblance too, would you

583
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:13.960
say, like Dirty Dozens and stuff
like that too. Would you feel it's

584
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.159
got a little bit of resemblance to
that? I think so. Yeah.

585
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:21.119
And when I when I think about
that kind of theme song or the you

586
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:22.440
know, the one that you keep
hearing over and over again, it almost

587
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:28.679
seems like it's, um, um, it's Mallory and Miller's theme. Yeah,

588
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:32.280
you're right. It very much seems
to fit with their approach, like,

589
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:36.400
um, yeah, we'll get this
done, and the odds are against

590
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.239
us, but we'll keep pushing through, won't we, you know, And

591
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:42.199
oh yes, it shouldn't be a
problem. We'll be home by we'll be

592
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.400
home by sundown. Yeah. Um, you know, they're they're not dismissing

593
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.679
the seriousness of the mission. But
they're very much seeing like you know,

594
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:53.679
you've you've got to be um adaptable. You've got to be loose with this

595
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:58.920
kind of thing because there's so much
that could change and you just have to

596
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.239
be willing to to flow with it. I think that was very helpful with

597
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.639
this kind of thing, and it
helps to set the tone for what kind

598
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.800
of movie this is going to be. It's done, you know, dis

599
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:13.880
missing the seriousness like I said,
but it's it's acknowledging that you have to

600
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:19.079
be willing to to flow with it
and we're gonna go with what happens in

601
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.320
the mission. Yeah. What I
what I find interesting about Goodwin too,

602
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:27.760
just a little bit of his background. He scored approximately seventy films in his

603
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:32.679
career. Wow. He went on
to do about eighty albums released of his

604
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.519
music, and he recorded and helped
with two hundred and fifty to three hundred

605
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:43.719
and fifty singles over his years.
So he was busy. He was a

606
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:45.599
busy man. He was a busy
man. What I find also interesting about

607
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:53.599
him too is his father was a
London policeman and his mother felt that to

608
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:57.920
help her son that he would need
piano lessons, you know, to help

609
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.239
him pass the time. So when
I when I he was like five years

610
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:06.800
old, I believe it was she
started having him learn the piano, so

611
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:12.400
which obviously was his introduction to music, and he would later go on when

612
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:19.239
he was eleven, he wanted to
be a trumpet player, which was kind

613
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:23.320
of odd because you know, when
he went to his teacher, you know,

614
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.239
it was kind of like, well, we don't have any trumpet players.

615
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.360
And so he started playing that and
learning that and used that as a

616
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:38.760
tool to really break further into music
and become that composer and that conductor that

617
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:44.840
created everything that we know. I
think that was fascinating, of all things

618
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:46.039
to pick up on, you know, the trumpet. You know, the

619
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:50.360
piano I get because I think that's
what a lot of people learned from,

620
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.840
right, you know, I mean
guitar too, of course, but piano,

621
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:57.320
I think we know when you're getting
into those big orchestral pieces of conducting

622
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.239
and composing and stuff like that.
I would think the piano would probab would

623
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.760
believe, the one that you start
on to get your introduction into music.

624
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.800
But for him to just branch off
into that trumpet area, I just think

625
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:09.519
that was interesting. Yeah, well, I mean it shows another UM,

626
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:15.719
you know, representing that that brass
section and seeing it from a different perspective

627
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:22.679
and being able to to make that
such a focus of what he would compose.

628
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:27.400
M. Yeah. I love hearing
the different avenues that musicians take to

629
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:31.320
get into that that role and how
it really does take somebody from every section

630
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:36.800
to bring it together. It does. Scott, let's let's rewind. Let's

631
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.280
talk about some of our favorite scenes
in this movie. What are some of

632
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:46.119
yours? Man, there's a lot. I love the firewooden penicillin plan.

633
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:51.360
I think that was really clever.
That's one that it kind of represents the

634
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.679
different twists and turns that this makes. It's it's not a direct path to

635
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.840
this bridge they have to blow up. There's a lot of different things that

636
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.679
they have to go through, a
lot of surprises, UM, a lot

637
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.239
of double crosses, UM, and
triple crosses they have to figure out.

638
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:10.360
I think Barbara Bach does a great
job as Meritza UM never quite knowing UM

639
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:16.679
what to believe or which side she's
on, UM, and then knowing the

640
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:22.079
role that she had in helping them
escape that way UM. I think was

641
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.719
was brilliant UM and it was.
It's definitely one that has you kind of

642
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.639
guessing what they're going to do.
Um. I feel like, um,

643
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:37.960
it's unfortunate that Petrovitch her father didn't
listen more times. This has been a

644
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:44.800
shorter movie. Um, but you
know that kind of yeah, you have

645
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.480
to get it. Take it for
what ha happened. Um. One of

646
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:52.039
my one of my favorite things that
just made me giggle was the weekend at

647
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.840
Bernie's escape. Oh god, yeah, I got that. That is one

648
00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:00.519
of my favorite right Schroder Like seeing
Harrison Ford kind of hold up his hand,

649
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:05.159
you know, this salute, right, and then later on when they

650
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:08.719
get to the ravine and they're kind
of I guess staging the accident or whatever

651
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:14.760
for whatever that's worth. Pushing him
down the ravine brought me back to Last

652
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.480
Crusade when he's in that tank and
kind of diving off the cliff. Right.

653
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:20.920
It was almost the same thing,
and I was like, oh man,

654
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:27.079
this guy can't to see it from
cliffs. I thought. The Flamethrower

655
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:32.960
twins we're an interesting touch. Obviously
they're used as a different kind of,

656
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.679
um, you know, in different
kind of ways throughout See there's that bond

657
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.800
thing again. Yeah, exactly.
I'm telling you that could have been in

658
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:46.320
a Bond movie exactly. And the
last one for me is the damn with

659
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:52.159
the fireworks. There's a lot of
impressive set pieces and that one is just

660
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:57.719
incredible. Yeah, so I'm glad
we we thought about that. What about

661
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:00.119
you? So there's quite a few
scene in this movie they really I talked

662
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.880
about one of mine when they found
out that Leskovar was indeed the spy and

663
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.960
you know, Barnesby ends up,
you know, shooting him and you know,

664
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:09.679
basically saying that I've helped you.
You know, now you need to

665
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:14.840
help me, you know, basically
finish my mission. Um. But one

666
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.039
of the lines that I really liked, and it's gonna go back. We've

667
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:22.920
talked about this scene several times.
It's a scene with Weaver and it's when

668
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.079
they're you know, they're at the
truck again and you know, they're in

669
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:27.800
a hurry to get out of there, and would you just get in the

670
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:29.880
truck. We gotta go, we
gotta go. But then they had this

671
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:35.679
long dialogue scene. But it's when
Barnesby was completely openly and honest with Weaver.

672
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.719
And that's that's what one Weaver over
at that moment, you know,

673
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:42.800
he say, you guys didn't come
back for me, and and you know,

674
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.039
and Barnsley, look it is no, we didn't come back for you,

675
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.039
you know, And and then you
just get that smile on Weaver's face

676
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.320
like all right, you know,
finally some honesty here, you know,

677
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.679
all right, let's go right.
I've loved that scene so much between those

678
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:59.679
two characters because it was just,
you know, right, there was their

679
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:01.360
connect, that was their growth,
you know, to say, all right,

680
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:05.760
let's let's do this now, let's
get our mission completed right well,

681
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.239
and yeah, because in that moment, and that's a great moment to bring

682
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.199
up, I'm glad you did,
because he's saying like, you guys,

683
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.320
don't you have a mother hunch about
me? Like he's almost saying like,

684
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.400
you guys are doing this on purpose
to spite me. And he's like,

685
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.480
no, we really didn't think about
you. We were thinking about the mission.

686
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.719
And that kind of brings him back
to focus to be like, yeah,

687
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.000
let's got a good point. All
right. You guys aren't doing it

688
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.800
specifically to hurt me. It's because
you know that we have to get this

689
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.960
done, so let's get moving yep. If he could do that faster,

690
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:38.239
that would happend to good, right, can we got to that limit faster?

691
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:42.199
But hey whatever. Yeah. The
other thing that I found humorous is

692
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.360
this goes back to Harrison Ford being
Harrison Ford, who we get to know

693
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.079
and love is Hansel Ninia Jones.
It's when Mallory and Barnesby are in the

694
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.800
dam and it blows up, but
it doesn't work. Well, it doesn't

695
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.440
work at that moment, and you
get that what it didn't work? I

696
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:59.880
know it didn't work right, and
they're yelling at each other because you know,

697
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:04.199
but you're right, they couldn't hear. But they're also furious because they're

698
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.960
like, this was supposed to be
the thing. And again, you know,

699
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:12.679
outside of that, when you're watching
Weaver have the same reaction to Miller

700
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.559
and he's like, what is wrong
with you? And he's like, patience,

701
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:21.239
let it happen. Yeah, yeah, just laid back. It's okay,

702
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.880
We've got this, I promise exactly. Loved it, loved it all

703
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.519
right. Well, let's quote this
Scott Um. I don't know if you

704
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:32.480
found anything, but I found one
thing from Robert Shaw. It really wasn't

705
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:37.440
about the movie itself. It was
really about acting. Um. He says

706
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:43.639
acting is instant, enjoyment and childlike. As an actor, Lord God,

707
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:45.760
I can take an audience in a
theater and throw them in any direction.

708
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:51.119
I can't do that as a writer. Writing is painful. It's lonely and

709
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:54.719
you suffer and there's no immediate feedback. I couldn't agree more with Robert Shaw.

710
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.360
You know, in writing a lot
of projects that I have done over

711
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:02.199
the years, it is indeed lonely, and yeah, you do suffer because

712
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.320
there's no one really to share it
with except for yourself. So I completely

713
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.360
understand that quote from Robert Shawn.
Yeah. Absolutely. And again, you

714
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:14.840
know, I'm glad that we got
the performances that we did from him.

715
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:19.920
I think it's unfortunately we didn't get
more. Um. I think the ending

716
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:24.719
of this movie makes me want a
sequel. Yeah. Um. I would

717
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:30.079
have liked to have seen a bit
more success for this so that maybe we

718
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.119
could get one more performance from Robert
Shaw with this cast to show how they

719
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:40.639
get home. Yeah. I think
there's gonna be a long walk. Yeah.

720
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.480
And it just things like that when
you hear about the the enthusiasm he

721
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:50.679
had for for acting. Um,
and for this, you know, for

722
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.719
his performances. Um, I'm glad
that we got what we did, but

723
00:51:54.840 --> 00:52:00.360
it is unfortunately we didn't get more
from him. That's why I go back

724
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:05.280
to saying again, for anybody who's
a fan of Robert Shaw, for whatever

725
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.800
production, for whatever way, this
is absolutely one that you should watch,

726
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:14.119
if nothing else then to see what
his final performances. Absolutely, I couldn't

727
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:17.360
agree more with that, Scott,
what about any what is I I found

728
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:21.760
it interesting because, like you mentioned
earlier, you know, they were planning

729
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.920
this as being a sequel a little
bit sooner than it did, because you

730
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:28.559
know, they obviously wanted to bring
back Gregory Pack and Anthony Quinn and David

731
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.400
Niven, but since it was so
much later in years than it didn't come

732
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:37.159
out until seventy eight, obviously all
those men were too old. I think,

733
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:38.079
And as you said earlier, I
think it would have been a lot

734
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:44.400
more successful of a film if they
had done this sequel back in the sixties,

735
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:46.960
a little after they did Guns of
Navarone. You know, I think

736
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:52.639
it would we would probably clearly got
a different film then we got in seventy

737
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.880
eight, because Guy Hamilton probably wouldn't
have directed it at that point. But

738
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:01.719
I like the movie we got is
basically what I want to say. I

739
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:06.400
think we would be good too if
we had gotten Gregery pecking on them back,

740
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.000
because Guns of Navaron was a good
film. But I like the film

741
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:13.679
that we got, I really do. Yeah, And I think it it

742
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:19.239
could have worked with that original cast
when they originally planned to do it,

743
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:22.280
and I'm sure it would have been
successful. Like you said, it would

744
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:28.119
have been a much different film.
But I don't think the two movies are

745
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:32.599
dependent of one another, right.
I think it's almost better too, or

746
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:38.239
it would have been better to just
package this as its own movie. I

747
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:45.039
kind of wonder if it would have
been better to almost severath connection between the

748
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:50.519
two, if you wanted to make
it a I think it could have stood

749
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:54.519
alone without having the backstory of Navarone, without knowing that, so that people

750
00:53:54.559 --> 00:54:00.599
could maybe see this for what it
was and not necessarily or you know,

751
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:02.239
oh it's a sequel, Oh it
was ten years ago. That I don't

752
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:07.119
really care about it. Yeah,
there's that dismissing. That dismissal that probably

753
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:12.239
hurt it um and as much as
it kind of helped to say, you

754
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.239
know, you've got this backstory and
you know, from Navone and Leskovar being

755
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:19.400
the trader and all this other kind
of stuff. I got that pretty easily.

756
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.519
Like I don't feel like I need
to go see Guns of Navone for

757
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.599
all this stuff to click U.
So yeah, I kind of feel like

758
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:29.360
it's one of those that should have
just stood alone on its own. Yeah.

759
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:35.239
I know Charlton hestonably was up for
a major Mallory wasn't he h Yeah,

760
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:39.920
and that it would have worked,
but it would have been a much

761
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:45.599
different movieum, And to be honest, I'd rather see more of Robert charlotan

762
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:52.400
I would have Charlton Heston. Yeah, I can't imagine Charlton Heston being in

763
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:55.079
this role having the same kind of
presence and work in the same kind of

764
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:59.679
way with Edward Fox. You and
not to put Charlton Heston, because Charlton

765
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:06.039
Heston an amazing, amazing actor,
had an incredible career, but Robert Shaw

766
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:08.880
with with those glances, again,
I don't think we would have got that

767
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:15.360
same tension from Charlton that we got
from Robert Shaw. So yeah, I

768
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:20.719
think again, we had the right
person in the right role in that situation

769
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:23.280
without a doubt. Yeah, And
I think that's something that could help with

770
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:30.280
people seeing it now in this generation. You know a lot of people who

771
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:35.400
have different experiences with all these actors. I think it could be more successful

772
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.800
if it's brought back, especially considering, you know, we have the last

773
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:43.760
Indiana Jones movie coming out with Harrison
Ford. Um. I know there are

774
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.599
a lot of there's a lot of
talk about this movie that's sparkling back up

775
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:51.400
again. I think it's a great
time to introduce it, and so I

776
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:53.840
don't feel obligated to have to see
anything else. I'd say, just dive

777
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.719
right into this, give it a
fresh look. Well, let's talk about

778
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:00.480
the impact of the film, Scott. You know, that's one thing that

779
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:04.599
we that's why we talk about these
nineteen seventy eight movies because they have such

780
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.400
an impact on the film industry.
But just look at the people that were

781
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:10.199
in this movie. You know,
we've already mentioned the people who are already

782
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:15.079
having a great career at this point
in blockbusters that they have already seen with

783
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:19.840
Rocky and Star Wars and Jaws and
all those kind of things. But all

784
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:22.199
the people in this movie that would
go on to be in other things,

785
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:25.199
especially Lucas film stuff. I mean, my gosh, you know, you've

786
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:30.719
got so many connections to Star Wars
and Indiana Jones in this movie. It's

787
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:36.280
almost like George Lucas watched Fourth ten
from Navarone and in Spielberg did to say,

788
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:38.400
hey, you know what, let's
let's let's let's make a guy who's

789
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:42.559
going to go on adventures being an
archaeologist, and let's use people from this

790
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.719
movie. Is what it felt like, right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

791
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:52.199
I mean we've already mentioned, like
you know, Michael Byrne and Wolf

792
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:54.400
Kayler are being you know, people
that are that are brought back and you

793
00:56:54.480 --> 00:57:00.719
can see why. You know,
they're scenes with Harrison Ford. It's crazy

794
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:04.440
when you watch this and you kind
of like this could be another indie movie,

795
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:12.519
but you see so much of what
would be in this movie that you

796
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.599
know, without seeing this, you
kind of assumed that he just jumps right

797
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:21.480
into these other roles. But I
mean, it's it's a lot more than

798
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:28.880
that. But I don't know.
I think seeing especially Harrison Ford in this

799
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.199
role, I think in his first
scene, like I mentioned in that office,

800
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:38.119
there's so much Jack Ryan Yep coming
out there. There's so much Indiana

801
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:43.320
Jones coming out when he's in those
battle scenes when they're on the run and

802
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:45.920
he's trying to say, like,
no, we need to get moving.

803
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:50.320
There's a lot of Indiana Jones beats
in there, yea. And I think

804
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:54.480
it's it's it's a mistake to assume
that this didn't have some kind of influence

805
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:59.039
on that. Even though it didn't
have as much of the success, it's

806
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:02.119
still a demonstrate should of what they
could be. Yeah, it was funny

807
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:06.559
when he was first introduced to the
Germans when they got captured. I kept

808
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:10.840
thinking, Nazis hate these gays,
right right, you know, And then

809
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:15.199
seeing him and Michael Byrne just performing
against one another, you know, you

810
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.639
just go ahead and see when they're
going to be him, Indiana Jones and

811
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.480
Vogel against each other later on in
the Last Crusade. You know, you

812
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.559
already see that connection between the two
of them right there. Just it was

813
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:30.960
so incredible, man, to see
the early years of those two guys performing

814
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:34.840
in a different movie. Just so
fascinating. Man. Yeah, but no,

815
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:36.599
this movie, you know, I
mean, I know there was already

816
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:38.199
a lot of movies before that were
very similar to this, you know,

817
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:42.639
Gun to Navrone, Dirty Dozen and
those kind of things. But you know

818
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:46.519
this would just go on to you
know, make other movies that had this

819
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:52.000
about a group of people who go
on missions, secret missions for the military

820
00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:54.159
and stuff like that, you know, through the eighties and the nineties and

821
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:58.599
movies that we get today too.
You know, this is just another movie

822
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:02.800
in that line of genre that just
continued that formula that we all love.

823
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:08.280
And you know, definitely if you've
not seen this movie, go go watch

824
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:12.280
it. You really will enjoy it. And like like Scott said, you

825
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:15.199
don't have to see Guns in Navaroon
to see Fourth Ten from Avon because you

826
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:20.159
know, they are completely two different
movies. Even though it has some characters

827
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:22.480
that are saying you don't need to
see it. Definitely check this movie out.

828
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:24.079
You really are going to do it. And you're going to see the

829
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:28.880
birth of a lot of things that
you're going to see him later year.

830
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:32.199
Yeah, and just just keep in
mind that just because you haven't heard about

831
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:37.360
a movie as much since it has
come out doesn't mean that it's not a

832
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:40.360
quality movie. I mean, we're
still hearing a lot about Howard the Duck,

833
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:46.800
so but you know, I think
when this came out, it wasn't

834
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:52.360
successful, so likely the studios didn't
want to promote it as much or you

835
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:57.840
know, keep it going as much. But it's very timely to pick this

836
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:01.920
up on its forty fifth anniversary.
Um. Like you said, don't be

837
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:07.679
don't be fooled by the fact that
it hasn't been discussed very much or that

838
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:09.199
it didn't seem like it was very
successful, because it doesn't mean it's not

839
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:13.199
a quality movie, which it absolutely
is. Yeah. Absolutely, Scott,

840
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.440
Where did you watch this then?
So? I saw this on to be

841
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:20.679
UM. I was also able to
pick up a copy at my local library,

842
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:25.000
UM, which there's a Criterion collection
UM version of this that has a

843
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:30.199
lot of extras. I wasn't able
to pick that up. Um. But

844
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:32.840
you know, if you're if you're
a fan of these actors and you feel

845
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:38.000
like adding to yourself, absolutely go
and seek that out and and give it

846
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:42.079
give it a watch. Yeah.
Absolutely, I watched it on t B

847
01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:44.239
as well. I'm definitely gonna go
pick up a copy. This is a

848
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:46.880
movie I don't own in my library, and you know, after watching it

849
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:49.920
again to get ready for the podcast, I'm like, man, this is

850
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:52.480
a good film. Why is this
not in my collection, so I'm definitely

851
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.519
gonna go pick up a copy because
great cast, you know, a fun

852
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.360
time to watch, and it's definitely
a movie that I want to visit.

853
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.440
There's there's no doubt about that for
sure. Yeah, I'm glad we had

854
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:05.840
a chance to cover it. Yeah, me too. So what do we

855
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.599
have next on the Marquis Dave will
Um You know, first, you know,

856
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.039
let's I'm gonna thank all of our
listeners, you know, thank you

857
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:19.559
for joining us in our adventure through
nineteen seventy eight. I had such a

858
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:21.519
good time. I know we're gonna
come back and do a little bit of

859
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:29.079
a breakdown and talk about our seventy
eight journey. But coming up next Jeff

860
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:32.840
and Brad at a film buy,
they're gonna be talking about James Mangold and

861
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:40.159
Copland. And then Scott coming up
for us along with Wayne Whitett, who

862
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:45.840
is going to be joining us.
We have our new limited series Strange New

863
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:51.000
Wednesdays, where we're going to be
discussing episodes of Strange New Worlds. I'm

864
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:52.639
looking forward to that, Scott.
I love that show. I can't wait

865
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:55.199
to see it again. Yeah,
I can't either. Man, it's gonna

866
01:01:55.199 --> 01:02:00.480
be a good time. The season
one of Strange New World was in readable.

867
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:05.639
I cannot wait to dive into season
two. Yep. And just taking

868
01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:09.800
a minute to thank everybody who's been
with us for this ride. Um,

869
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:15.480
this has been a great series tom
to get into. I'm very glad that

870
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:19.360
we did it because there's a lot
of movies that I'm glad we had a

871
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.960
chance to put back in the spotlight
and someone that I've never discovered before.

872
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:27.360
Um, it's always a lot of
fun to talk with you, and I

873
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:31.880
appreciate everybody that's that's along for this. We're certainly going to get into m

874
01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:37.639
recapping that and we're looking at what's
in the works for some future series.

875
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:40.920
If you join us first for a
little bit more yep, all right.

876
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:44.199
If you want to leave a comment, discuss what's next, or even half

877
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:47.199
suggestions, you can find us at
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878
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:52.360
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879
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:57.039
Twitter and Instagram. Until our film
real start rolling again, go out

880
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.840
watch something new, watch something different, and who knows what we'll discover next.

881
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:04.800
Thanks for joining us for our film
at forty five all right, Thanks

882
01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:05.440
for you next time,